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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
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A popular fallacy but a fallacy nevertheless. |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
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If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT! |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
A popular fallacy but a fallacy nevertheless."
If you private mail me your mobile number and I'd be happy to send you a video of it happening.. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
A popular fallacy but a fallacy nevertheless.
If you private mail me your mobile number and I'd be happy to send you a video of it happening.. "
Can private message my email but not my phone number  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
A popular fallacy but a fallacy nevertheless.
If you private mail me your mobile number and I'd be happy to send you a video of it happening..
Can private message my email but not my phone number "
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
A popular fallacy but a fallacy nevertheless."
There speaks someone who obviously hasn't crossed the equator or they would realise that far from being a fallacy it is true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
A popular fallacy but a fallacy nevertheless.
There speaks someone who obviously hasn't crossed the equator or they would realise that far from being a fallacy it is true."
Correct,it is true and apparently on the equator it goes straight down |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Water doesn't drain in different directions depending what hemisphere you are in.
But hurricanes do rotate in different direction north and south of the equator."
Water does drain in different directions depending what hemisphere you are in and I'd be happy to send you a video of it happening because I seen it myself when I was personally stood bang on the equator in Africa.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Water doesn't drain in different directions depending what hemisphere you are in.
But hurricanes do rotate in different direction north and south of the equator."
It does  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
A popular fallacy but a fallacy nevertheless.
There speaks someone who obviously hasn't crossed the equator or they would realise that far from being a fallacy it is true.
Correct,it is true and apparently on the equator it goes straight down"
Damn right it goes straight down, seen it myself!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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With free flowing water the hemisphere will determine in which direction the water spins.
The myth comes when talking about toilets specifically, as toilets are not free running water and so the coriolis effect has minimal, if any, application.
At the equator free flowing water will remain straight. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan!"
I done it myself so I certainly didn't con myself did I? Unlikely.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan!
I done it myself so I certainly didn't con myself did I? Unlikely.."
If you say so. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan!
I done it myself so I certainly didn't con myself did I? Unlikely..
If you say so."
^^Yet another contentious retort that is so typical of the people that use these forums  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan!
I done it myself so I certainly didn't con myself did I? Unlikely..
If you say so.
^^Yet another contentious retort that is so typical of the people that use these forums "
What's contentious? If that's what you believe, that's up to you.
I'll stick with the physics. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"Urban myth
It's not a myth, it's a scientific fact and I have a video to prove it."
Not interested in your facts, you still don't know the difference between a scientific rule and a law and now you want to conduct experiments!
Guess what? I can do exactly the same with a gallon of water, a bucket and a little bit of voodoo.
I have been practicing turning water into wine but it still tastes like piss at the moment |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well, when I stayed in Australia for a month or so, the water in the basin definitely went down the other way.
Of course, my apartment might have been built on a slope. Can't trust those Ozzy builders, you know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan!
I done it myself so I certainly didn't con myself did I? Unlikely..
If you say so.
^^Yet another contentious retort that is so typical of the people that use these forums
What's contentious? If that's what you believe, that's up to you.
I'll stick with the physics. "
It's not about "believing" in anything.
The facts are the facts - if you use a GPS to find the equator as I and my friends did then you can see that water will flow straight down without twisting, go either side of the line and water will flow in opposing directions.
The facts are the facts - it is "physics" - google it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Urban myth
It's not a myth, it's a scientific fact and I have a video to prove it.
Not interested in your facts, you still don't know the difference between a scientific rule and a law and now you want to conduct experiments!
Guess what? I can do exactly the same with a gallon of water, a bucket and a little bit of voodoo.
I have been practicing turning water into wine but it still tastes like piss at the moment "
God you're bitter, calm down man.
It's just science - google it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan!
I done it myself so I certainly didn't con myself did I? Unlikely..
If you say so.
^^Yet another contentious retort that is so typical of the people that use these forums
What's contentious? If that's what you believe, that's up to you.
I'll stick with the physics.
It's not about "anything".
The facts are the facts - if you use a GPS to find the equator as I and my friends did then you can see that water will flow straight down without twisting, go either side of the line and water will flow in opposing directions.
The facts are the facts - it is "physics" - google it."
Hmm? A gps? That relies on einsteins theory of relativity. Didn't you allude that it was a load of rubbish the other day?
Anyway, for a demonstration of the coriolis effect see Foucault pendulums. There's one in the science museum.
If the rotation of the earth solely has an effect on the drainage of a basin, why does the vortex go so much faster than the spinning earth? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The coriolis effect is unlikely to have any effect on a basin or toilet.
It needs to be a very large body of water that has sat for sufficiently long so as not to have any other forces on in. After long enough draining, experiments have proved there is a slight effect.
Vortexes in basins are caused by the shape of the basin.
If you've paid the money (and I have!) to see the guy with the bucket doing it on each side of the equator, you've been caught by a charlatan!
I done it myself so I certainly didn't con myself did I? Unlikely..
If you say so.
^^Yet another contentious retort that is so typical of the people that use these forums
What's contentious? If that's what you believe, that's up to you.
I'll stick with the physics.
It's not about "anything".
The facts are the facts - if you use a GPS to find the equator as I and my friends did then you can see that water will flow straight down without twisting, go either side of the line and water will flow in opposing directions.
The facts are the facts - it is "physics" - google it.
Hmm? A gps? That relies on einsteins theory of relativity. Didn't you allude that it was a load of rubbish the other day?
Anyway, for a demonstration of the coriolis effect see Foucault pendulums. There's one in the science museum.
If the rotation of the earth solely has an effect on the drainage of a basin, why does the vortex go so much faster than the spinning earth? "
1. I certainly did not allude to relativity theory being a load of rubbish - it's a gold standard scientific principal.
2. It makes to sense to presume the rotation of the water should match the rotation of the Earth - if it did it too would take approximately 24 hours to complete one rotation which is a ridiculous thing to propose! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
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What if !!!!!!
you have a vortex breaker in your plug hole!!!!!
think about it |
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"Urban myth
It's not a myth, it's a scientific fact and I have a video to prove it.
Not interested in your facts, you still don't know the difference between a scientific rule and a law and now you want to conduct experiments!
Guess what? I can do exactly the same with a gallon of water, a bucket and a little bit of voodoo.
I have been practicing turning water into wine but it still tastes like piss at the moment "
El oh 'ell |
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"Urban myth
It's not a myth, it's a scientific fact and I have a video to prove it.
Not interested in your facts, you still don't know the difference between a scientific rule and a law and now you want to conduct experiments!
Guess what? I can do exactly the same with a gallon of water, a bucket and a little bit of voodoo.
I have been practicing turning water into wine but it still tastes like piss at the moment
God you're bitter, calm down man.
It's just science - google it."
https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/512653#message_10375381 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm afraid it's one of those true and false questions.
The Coriolis effect does cause rotation of things either side of the equator, it's why hurricanes go clockwise or is it anti clockwise mmmm let me think, no they go anti clockwise, yeah and in the southern hemisphere cyclones go clockwise, these large formations including water spouts and whirlpools do get rotated by the Coriolis but.... Basins and buckets of water would certainly not be large enough to be effected, the Coriolis effect on these would be so minimal even a slight breeze would cancel it out! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm afraid it's one of those true and false questions.
The Coriolis effect does cause rotation of things either side of the equator, it's why hurricanes go clockwise or is it anti clockwise mmmm let me think, no they go anti clockwise, yeah and in the southern hemisphere cyclones go clockwise, these large formations including water spouts and whirlpools do get rotated by the Coriolis but.... Basins and buckets of water would certainly not be large enough to be effected, the Coriolis effect on these would be so minimal even a slight breeze would cancel it out!"
Wrong - plain wrong - simple as that. Google it for gods sake! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm afraid it's one of those true and false questions.
The Coriolis effect does cause rotation of things either side of the equator, it's why hurricanes go clockwise or is it anti clockwise mmmm let me think, no they go anti clockwise, yeah and in the southern hemisphere cyclones go clockwise, these large formations including water spouts and whirlpools do get rotated by the Coriolis but.... Basins and buckets of water would certainly not be large enough to be effected, the Coriolis effect on these would be so minimal even a slight breeze would cancel it out!
Wrong - plain wrong - simple as that. Google it for gods sake!"
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Do you know anything at all about the Coriolis effect??.
It's something I've read quite alot about through reading alot of environmental scientific papers!.
It often crops up as the Coriolis actually keeps alot of "emissions, waste, rubbish, air from circulating and as about 6.4 billon people out of 7.2 billion people live in the northern hemisphere it really has some effect on the distribution of "waste".
Now if you could tell me the difference in force between one edge of your 18" wide bucket and the other(the reality is it's this force that starts the spinning).... I'll tell you why anything and I mean anything outside of a laboratory would completely cancel out your theory!....
So come on just tell me the force of 18 inch's of difference in speed and I'll tell you why your WRONG
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Coreolis effect;
1. Yes it exists
2. Not at the scale to affect bathtubs and sinks. Rotation of water in a plug hole friends on more local issues like shape of sink; which way you pour water etc.
3. Coreolis affects large scale things like hurricanes and weather patterns, and ocean currents, not sinks and plugholes.
4. Affects high speed long distance things such as rocket flight and artillery shells; depending on your latitude, you add or subtract a few degrees from a projectiles aiming path to account for it. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Is that a pick up line?"
its better than my pick up conumdrum...
if a cat always lands on its feet... and toast always lands butter side down...
what happens when you stick toast on the back of a cat??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm afraid it's one of those true and false questions.
The Coriolis effect does cause rotation of things either side of the equator, it's why hurricanes go clockwise or is it anti clockwise mmmm let me think, no they go anti clockwise, yeah and in the southern hemisphere cyclones go clockwise, these large formations including water spouts and whirlpools do get rotated by the Coriolis but.... Basins and buckets of water would certainly not be large enough to be effected, the Coriolis effect on these would be so minimal even a slight breeze would cancel it out!
Wrong - plain wrong - simple as that. Google it for gods sake!.
Do you know anything at all about the Coriolis effect??.
It's something I've read quite alot about through reading alot of environmental scientific papers!.
It often crops up as the Coriolis actually keeps alot of "emissions, waste, rubbish, air from circulating and as about 6.4 billon people out of 7.2 billion people live in the northern hemisphere it really has some effect on the distribution of "waste".
Now if you could tell me the difference in force between one edge of your 18" wide bucket and the other(the reality is it's this force that starts the spinning).... I'll tell you why anything and I mean anything outside of a laboratory would completely cancel out your theory!....
So come on just tell me the force of 18 inch's of difference in speed and I'll tell you why your WRONG
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You have it completely wrong ffs..
The force acts on the water as it exits the bucket - hence the twistxit as it falls.
So once it leaves the bucket and starts twisting it then gets drawn out by the combined force of gravity + the twisting - which what then starts the water twisting in the bucket.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is that a pick up line?
its better than my pick up conumdrum...
if a cat always lands on its feet... and toast always lands butter side down...
what happens when you stick toast on the back of a cat??? "
The cat/toats just hover spinning contiously above the ground until they become separated or the cat eats the toast  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is that a pick up line?
its better than my pick up conumdrum...
if a cat always lands on its feet... and toast always lands butter side down...
what happens when you stick toast on the back of a cat??? "
depends if the toast is butter side to the cat  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Is that a pick up line?
its better than my pick up conumdrum...
if a cat always lands on its feet... and toast always lands butter side down...
what happens when you stick toast on the back of a cat???
depends if the toast is butter side to the cat "
if you are sticking it to the cat you can butter both sides...... 
basically i am asking would a piece of the universe explode.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is that a pick up line?
its better than my pick up conumdrum...
if a cat always lands on its feet... and toast always lands butter side down...
what happens when you stick toast on the back of a cat???
depends if the toast is butter side to the cat
if you are sticking it to the cat you can butter both sides......
basically i am asking would a piece of the universe explode.... "
What if it's Shrodingers cat?! |
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"Urban myth
It's not a myth, it's a scientific fact and I have a video to prove it.
Not interested in your facts, you still don't know the difference between a scientific rule and a law and now you want to conduct experiments!
Guess what? I can do exactly the same with a gallon of water, a bucket and a little bit of voodoo.
I have been practicing turning water into wine but it still tastes like piss at the moment "
I suspect that you've introduced an error into your experiment, much as I did when undertaking the same experiment. It turns out from my observations that when I was tryoing to turn water into wine I had actually conducted the experiment backwards and had in fact turned wine into water (which did taste like piss I'm afraid) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But the Earth is flat...
It's actually an Oblate Spheroid - trust me - I'm literally never wrong.
It must be very lonely "
Not at all - I have all you lovely people to keep me company  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But the Earth is flat...
It's actually an Oblate Spheroid - trust me - I'm literally never wrong.
It must be very lonely
Not at all - I have all you lovely people to keep me company "
and they don't come much lovelier.....
God bless us all.... 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But the Earth is flat...
It's actually an Oblate Spheroid - trust me - I'm literally never wrong.
It must be very lonely
Not at all - I have all you lovely people to keep me company
and they don't come much lovelier.....
God bless us all....
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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QED once tried to prove the buttered toast conundrum. The problem was that although they used toast, they didn't use butter, they just marked it with an X.
The findings were inconclusive  |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"But the Earth is flat...
It's actually an Oblate Spheroid - trust me - I'm literally never wrong."
You are wrong again this time, it's more of a nugget shape. It's only the oceans that give the earth the illusion of a spheroid shape.
How's that remedial science for Dummies book coming along? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm afraid it's one of those true and false questions.
The Coriolis effect does cause rotation of things either side of the equator, it's why hurricanes go clockwise or is it anti clockwise mmmm let me think, no they go anti clockwise, yeah and in the southern hemisphere cyclones go clockwise, these large formations including water spouts and whirlpools do get rotated by the Coriolis but.... Basins and buckets of water would certainly not be large enough to be effected, the Coriolis effect on these would be so minimal even a slight breeze would cancel it out!
Wrong - plain wrong - simple as that. Google it for gods sake!.
Do you know anything at all about the Coriolis effect??.
It's something I've read quite alot about through reading alot of environmental scientific papers!.
It often crops up as the Coriolis actually keeps alot of "emissions, waste, rubbish, air from circulating and as about 6.4 billon people out of 7.2 billion people live in the northern hemisphere it really has some effect on the distribution of "waste".
Now if you could tell me the difference in force between one edge of your 18" wide bucket and the other(the reality is it's this force that starts the spinning).... I'll tell you why anything and I mean anything outside of a laboratory would completely cancel out your theory!....
So come on just tell me the force of 18 inch's of difference in speed and I'll tell you why your WRONG
You have it completely wrong ffs..
The force acts on the water as it exits the bucket - hence the twistxit as it falls.
So once it leaves the bucket and starts twisting it then gets drawn out by the combined force of gravity + the twisting - which what then starts the water twisting in the bucket.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!"
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Listen up Darth Vader, "the force" is the difference in speed of rotation, like sitting on a merry go round the edge travels faster than the centre, so let's try and imagine now..... How much slower do you think the edge of one side of your bucket is traveling than the other?... That's why I said big things get affected because the difference is large... And yes you're bucket will be affected but in such a small minute way that anything outside of laboratory conditions would counter act the "force" acting on it.
I really don't wish to argue with you anymore, any effect you think you've seen is just that... You thought you saw it but you really really didn't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But the Earth is flat...
It's actually an Oblate Spheroid - trust me - I'm literally never wrong.
You are wrong again this time, it's more of a nugget shape. It's only the oceans that give the earth the illusion of a spheroid shape.
How's that remedial science for Dummies book coming along?"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth
As I said before - the facts are the facts - I'm just presenting them to you so NO - I'M NOT WRONG |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm afraid it's one of those true and false questions.
The Coriolis effect does cause rotation of things either side of the equator, it's why hurricanes go clockwise or is it anti clockwise mmmm let me think, no they go anti clockwise, yeah and in the southern hemisphere cyclones go clockwise, these large formations including water spouts and whirlpools do get rotated by the Coriolis but.... Basins and buckets of water would certainly not be large enough to be effected, the Coriolis effect on these would be so minimal even a slight breeze would cancel it out!
Wrong - plain wrong - simple as that. Google it for gods sake!.
Do you know anything at all about the Coriolis effect??.
It's something I've read quite alot about through reading alot of environmental scientific papers!.
It often crops up as the Coriolis actually keeps alot of "emissions, waste, rubbish, air from circulating and as about 6.4 billon people out of 7.2 billion people live in the northern hemisphere it really has some effect on the distribution of "waste".
Now if you could tell me the difference in force between one edge of your 18" wide bucket and the other(the reality is it's this force that starts the spinning).... I'll tell you why anything and I mean anything outside of a laboratory would completely cancel out your theory!....
So come on just tell me the force of 18 inch's of difference in speed and I'll tell you why your WRONG
You have it completely wrong ffs..
The force acts on the water as it exits the bucket - hence the twistxit as it falls.
So once it leaves the bucket and starts twisting it then gets drawn out by the combined force of gravity + the twisting - which what then starts the water twisting in the bucket.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!!!.
Listen up Darth Vader, "the force" is the difference in speed of rotation, like sitting on a merry go round the edge travels faster than the centre, so let's try and imagine now..... How much slower do you think the edge of one side of your bucket is traveling than the other?... That's why I said big things get affected because the difference is large... And yes you're bucket will be affected but in such a small minute way that anything outside of laboratory conditions would counter act the "force" acting on it.
I really don't wish to argue with you anymore, any effect you think you've seen is just that... You thought you saw it but you really really didn't."
The speed of the edge of the flipping bucket isn't the issue!!
It's the forces acting on the moving fluid that causes it's rotation!
How is that hard for you to understand! |
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"Fucking hell guys! I only asked because I was curious, didn't want to start world war 3!"
Some people are simply incapable of accepting when they're wrong on something!!
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By *olgateMan
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"But the Earth is flat...
It's actually an Oblate Spheroid - trust me - I'm literally never wrong.
You are wrong again this time, it's more of a nugget shape. It's only the oceans that give the earth the illusion of a spheroid shape.
How's that remedial science for Dummies book coming along?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth
As I said before - the facts are the facts - I'm just presenting them to you so NO - I'M NOT WRONG"
Before I even open that I already know you are assuming I mean a geoid and an exaggerated diagram showing the earths magnetic field, which I'm not.
A sphere has a consistent surface. The earth without water covering it, DOES NOT!
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"But the Earth is flat...
It's actually an Oblate Spheroid - trust me - I'm literally never wrong.
You are wrong again this time, it's more of a nugget shape. It's only the oceans that give the earth the illusion of a spheroid shape.
How's that remedial science for Dummies book coming along?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth
As I said before - the facts are the facts - I'm just presenting them to you so NO - I'M NOT WRONG
Before I even open that I already know you are assuming I mean a geoid and an exaggerated diagram showing the earths magnetic field, which I'm not.
A sphere has a consistent surface. The earth without water covering it, DOES NOT!
I'm beginning to think that Remedial science for Dummies is a little beyond your scope "
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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No I'm not opening anything, the mere fact that there are mountains and canyons means that the earth without water cannot in anyway be described as spherical.
Maybe we should get you a colouring book instead.
Don't eat the crayons |
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The speed of the edge of the flipping bucket isn't the issue!!
It's the forces acting on the moving fluid that causes it's rotation!
How is that hard for you to understand!"
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Is this Jedi force your using!!.
I'm really honestly struggling to understand your science if you could explain what force is acting upon maybe I could grasp what your saying.
I admit I'm not the greatest explainer in the world but I've tried explaining what my grasp of the "force" is to you, think of the pole standing still the further out you get the faster your having to travel this difference is the force, the Coriolis effect effects large objects obviously more than small objects because the difference is greater but it's effects are still small, if it had real power all the weather systems in the northern hemisphere would be anti cyclonic and yes the majority of them are hence our predominantly sw wind but we still get an awful lot of cyclonic systems as well because other things over ride the weak Coriolis effect, hurricanes and cyclones only ever turn in one direction because there all born in the doldrums of the equator where the Coriolis is neutral if they move north they turn anti if they move south they turn clock... or you could think of it like an electric cattle fence, when you touch the fence you get a small shock because your feet are close together but the cow with legs further apart gets a bigger hit as her legs are acted upon with a higher "force".
Many people have been to the equator and been fooled by what they perceive but fooled is what they've been just like somebody taking a placebo smartie gets an actual effect but they were still fooled |
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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago
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If you're upside down your left is your right and vice versa so it may appear that in Australia it's flowing in a different direction it's actually flowing in the same direction as if you were right side up.
It's all to do with the moon's gravitational pull on the earth and the earth's 91.3 degree tilt towards the sun. See |
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"Do you guys not realise you're being wound up??!! I'm comfortable with my physics degree and if someone wants to blabber some old crap, let them!"
Well your "physics degree" has failed you once already today so you might aswel stay out of it for good! |
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"No I'm not opening anything, the mere fact that there are mountains and canyons means that the earth without water cannot in anyway be described as spherical.
Maybe we should get you a colouring book instead.
Don't eat the crayons"
It's obvious that you won't open it because you know you'll have to concede that you were wrong.
Your argument is ridiculous = how can you honestly say "that the earth without water cannot in any way be described as spherical" ARE YOU MENTAL!
A bloody pool ball (although not an equal smoothness to the earth) is spherical but if you enlarge it to the size of the flipping planet it won't be because you'll be able to see that it is infact "rough" on the small scale as the earth is but it's still flipping spherical at the end of the day!
Your desperate attempt at saving face is just highlighting how stubborn you are! |
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By *eccymanMan
over a year ago
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If the atmosphere and all the water was stripped from our planet you would see quite clearly that earth is not spherical but more a rounded oblong shape. Our tallest mountain is 31,000 feet above sea level and our deepest ocean is twice that depth. Water finds it's own level and that's what makes our home appear round. |
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The speed of the edge of the flipping bucket isn't the issue!!
It's the forces acting on the moving fluid that causes it's rotation!
How is that hard for you to understand!.
Is this Jedi force your using!!.
I'm really honestly struggling to understand your science if you could explain what force is acting upon maybe I could grasp what your saying.
I admit I'm not the greatest explainer in the world but I've tried explaining what my grasp of the "force" is to you, think of the pole standing still the further out you get the faster your having to travel this difference is the force, the Coriolis effect effects large objects obviously more than small objects because the difference is greater but it's effects are still small, if it had real power all the weather systems in the northern hemisphere would be anti cyclonic and yes the majority of them are hence our predominantly sw wind but we still get an awful lot of cyclonic systems as well because other things over ride the weak Coriolis effect, hurricanes and cyclones only ever turn in one direction because there all born in the doldrums of the equator where the Coriolis is neutral if they move north they turn anti if they move south they turn clock... or you could think of it like an electric cattle fence, when you touch the fence you get a small shock because your feet are close together but the cow with legs further apart gets a bigger hit as her legs are acted upon with a higher "force".
Many people have been to the equator and been fooled by what they perceive but fooled is what they've been just like somebody taking a placebo smartie gets an actual effect but they were still fooled "
Of course I'd be happy to explain everything to you but apparently you're such a bloody expert I shouldn't have to explain anything to you in the first place??
So why are YOU, the psuedo-expert, asking ME to explain it to YOU?
I'm confused.. I thought you knew how it worked?????? |
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"If the atmosphere and all the water was stripped from our planet you would see quite clearly that earth is not spherical but more a rounded oblong shape. Our tallest mountain is 31,000 feet above sea level and our deepest ocean is twice that depth. Water finds it's own level and that's what makes our home appear round. "
That's why it's described as a OBLATE SPHEROID for gods sake!
Not an actual "sphere" but a "spheroid"!!
Which means it's round in shape but not a perfect sphere!
It's not hard to understand something so simpl |
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Opened a can of worms with this one.... sorry for asking the original question, but why is there a need from people to make an argument out of something so damn stupid?? |
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By *eccymanMan
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"If the atmosphere and all the water was stripped from our planet you would see quite clearly that earth is not spherical but more a rounded oblong shape. Our tallest mountain is 31,000 feet above sea level and our deepest ocean is twice that depth. Water finds it's own level and that's what makes our home appear round.
That's why it's described as a OBLATE SPHEROID for gods sake!
Not an actual "sphere" but a "spheroid"!!
Which means it's round in shape but not a perfect sphere!
It's not hard to understand something so simpl"
Er. .. I'm agreeing with you. |
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"If the atmosphere and all the water was stripped from our planet you would see quite clearly that earth is not spherical but more a rounded oblong shape. Our tallest mountain is 31,000 feet above sea level and our deepest ocean is twice that depth. Water finds it's own level and that's what makes our home appear round.
That's why it's described as a OBLATE SPHEROID for gods sake!
Not an actual "sphere" but a "spheroid"!!
Which means it's round in shape but not a perfect sphere!
It's not hard to understand something so simpl
Er. .. I'm agreeing with you. "
Piece of advice - don;t bother |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!"
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation |
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"If the atmosphere and all the water was stripped from our planet you would see quite clearly that earth is not spherical but more a rounded oblong shape. Our tallest mountain is 31,000 feet above sea level and our deepest ocean is twice that depth. Water finds it's own level and that's what makes our home appear round.
That's why it's described as a OBLATE SPHEROID for gods sake!
Not an actual "sphere" but a "spheroid"!!
Which means it's round in shape but not a perfect sphere!
It's not hard to understand something so simpl
Er. .. I'm agreeing with you. "
I apologise for jumping the gun a bit on you there, sorry.
It's just people are making an issue out of roundness as if roundness equates to being perfectly rroun when it doesn't.
A "sphere" means equally as round in all ways.
"Spherical" and "spheroid" mean rounded but in an unequal manner.
People are confusing the two and forming false arguments out of it.
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In several countries around the equator there are people who demonstrate the supposed effect - invariably the claimed position of the equator changes to suit the tricksters.
Just an urban myth and trick to prise cash out of tourists.
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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Maybe I should have mentioned earlier that the water in my bucket doesn't actually spin in either direction, it just sits there perfectly still waiting for someone to kick it. |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
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quick question someone could help with
Does this still happen if the water is in a fully enclosed container or vessel and that vessel is in vacuum
with one inlet filling the vessel with water and one outlet, would it still happen on the outlet drain |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation"
^That makes no sense either as the Earth is wider around latitudinal axis of the Equator than it is along the longitudinal axis of the poles as the Earth bears a "squat" shape (hench it being an Oblate Spheroid) as a result of it's rotation - therefore there's more mass along the Equator than around the axis of the poles which means one would feel slightly heavier along the equator due to the slight increase in gravity from that extra mass.
So if you really want to lauch a rocket as efficiently as possible - do it from one of the poles. |
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"Maybe I should have mentioned earlier that the water in my bucket doesn't actually spin in either direction, it just sits there perfectly still waiting for someone to kick it. "
You're such a tease! |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation
^That makes no sense either as the Earth is wider around latitudinal axis of the Equator than it is along the longitudinal axis of the poles as the Earth bears a "squat" shape (hench it being an Oblate Spheroid) as a result of it's rotation - therefore there's more mass along the Equator than around the axis of the poles which means one would feel slightly heavier along the equator due to the slight increase in gravity from that extra mass.
So if you really want to lauch a rocket as efficiently as possible - do it from one of the poles."
Brilliant! You're rapidly turning into a hero of mine!!! |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation
^That makes no sense either as the Earth is wider around latitudinal axis of the Equator than it is along the longitudinal axis of the poles as the Earth bears a "squat" shape (hench it being an Oblate Spheroid) as a result of it's rotation - therefore there's more mass along the Equator than around the axis of the poles which means one would feel slightly heavier along the equator due to the slight increase in gravity from that extra mass.
So if you really want to lauch a rocket as efficiently as possible - do it from one of the poles."
Actually, because of the bulge of the earth at the equator , given the inverse square law of distance vs gravitation, the force of gravity is slightly less at the equator. Couple that with the effect of centrifugal force ( or or the change in rotational inertia if you wish to be pedantic) then on average, " effective gravity" means that objects are 0.5% heavier at the poles .
Some of these effects are overridden by mass anomalies in the earth's composition, and by other surface irregularities; so in reality, the point on earth with the lowest measured (acceleration due to) gravity is a point on a mountain in Peru ; and the highest gravity is recorded at a point in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean . |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation
^That makes no sense either as the Earth is wider around latitudinal axis of the Equator than it is along the longitudinal axis of the poles as the Earth bears a "squat" shape (hench it being an Oblate Spheroid) as a result of it's rotation - therefore there's more mass along the Equator than around the axis of the poles which means one would feel slightly heavier along the equator due to the slight increase in gravity from that extra mass.
So if you really want to lauch a rocket as efficiently as possible - do it from one of the poles.
Actually, because of the bulge of the earth at the equator , given the inverse square law of distance vs gravitation, the force of gravity is slightly less at the equator. Couple that with the effect of centrifugal force ( or or the change in rotational inertia if you wish to be pedantic) then on average, " effective gravity" means that objects are 0.5% heavier at the poles .
Some of these effects are overridden by mass anomalies in the earth's composition, and by other surface irregularities; so in reality, the point on earth with the lowest measured (acceleration due to) gravity is a point on a mountain in Peru ; and the highest gravity is recorded at a point in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean ."
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation
^That makes no sense either as the Earth is wider around latitudinal axis of the Equator than it is along the longitudinal axis of the poles as the Earth bears a "squat" shape (hench it being an Oblate Spheroid) as a result of it's rotation - therefore there's more mass along the Equator than around the axis of the poles which means one would feel slightly heavier along the equator due to the slight increase in gravity from that extra mass.
So if you really want to lauch a rocket as efficiently as possible - do it from one of the poles.
Actually, because of the bulge of the earth at the equator , given the inverse square law of distance vs gravitation, the force of gravity is slightly less at the equator. Couple that with the effect of centrifugal force ( or or the change in rotational inertia if you wish to be pedantic) then on average, " effective gravity" means that objects are 0.5% heavier at the poles .
Some of these effects are overridden by mass anomalies in the earth's composition, and by other surface irregularities; so in reality, the point on earth with the lowest measured (acceleration due to) gravity is a point on a mountain in Peru ; and the highest gravity is recorded at a point in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean ."
As a rule - if you actually prefer it for me to be completely pedantic - the force of "gravity" as you rightly say isn't defined by it's individual strong/weak point but by it's average strength at corresponding distances. When that average strength is taken alone it is stronger ON AVERAGE along the equator than along the poles - that's a fact. |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation
^That makes no sense either as the Earth is wider around latitudinal axis of the Equator than it is along the longitudinal axis of the poles as the Earth bears a "squat" shape (hench it being an Oblate Spheroid) as a result of it's rotation - therefore there's more mass along the Equator than around the axis of the poles which means one would feel slightly heavier along the equator due to the slight increase in gravity from that extra mass.
So if you really want to lauch a rocket as efficiently as possible - do it from one of the poles.
Actually, because of the bulge of the earth at the equator , given the inverse square law of distance vs gravitation, the force of gravity is slightly less at the equator. Couple that with the effect of centrifugal force ( or or the change in rotational inertia if you wish to be pedantic) then on average, " effective gravity" means that objects are 0.5% heavier at the poles .
Some of these effects are overridden by mass anomalies in the earth's composition, and by other surface irregularities; so in reality, the point on earth with the lowest measured (acceleration due to) gravity is a point on a mountain in Peru ; and the highest gravity is recorded at a point in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean .
As a rule - if you actually prefer it for me to be completely pedantic - the force of "gravity" as you rightly say isn't defined by it's individual strong/weak point but by it's average strength at corresponding distances. When that average strength is taken alone it is stronger ON AVERAGE along the equator than along the poles - that's a fact."
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You don't half just confuse things!.
The centrifugal force at the equator overrides it, your being thrown out at a greater speed than at the poles where there's no centrifugal force....
I've already told you a practical way to experience this, just stand in the centre of a merry go round and then move to the edge.
A larger force counteracts a smaller force, that's why your water turning from a bucket is a myth, yes theres a force there but it's being counteracted by larger forces |
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"Ok so we all know that in the UK when we empty the bath, the water goes clockwise, and also that if you are in Australia the water goes anti clockwise.... so what way does it go if you live between both countries?
If you use a GPSato find the equator, as I have done in Kenya, you can see that the water will trickle straight from a bucket without it twisting.
If you go as little as 20 feet either side of the equator you can see it twist in different directions - which is really cool to see!
Scientific FACT!
plus you can weigh lighter at the equator. Some space rockets are launched at th equator to save fuel. It's the centrifugal effect of the earth's rotation
^That makes no sense either as the Earth is wider around latitudinal axis of the Equator than it is along the longitudinal axis of the poles as the Earth bears a "squat" shape (hench it being an Oblate Spheroid) as a result of it's rotation - therefore there's more mass along the Equator than around the axis of the poles which means one would feel slightly heavier along the equator due to the slight increase in gravity from that extra mass.
So if you really want to lauch a rocket as efficiently as possible - do it from one of the poles.
Actually, because of the bulge of the earth at the equator , given the inverse square law of distance vs gravitation, the force of gravity is slightly less at the equator. Couple that with the effect of centrifugal force ( or or the change in rotational inertia if you wish to be pedantic) then on average, " effective gravity" means that objects are 0.5% heavier at the poles .
Some of these effects are overridden by mass anomalies in the earth's composition, and by other surface irregularities; so in reality, the point on earth with the lowest measured (acceleration due to) gravity is a point on a mountain in Peru ; and the highest gravity is recorded at a point in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean .
As a rule - if you actually prefer it for me to be completely pedantic - the force of "gravity" as you rightly say isn't defined by it's individual strong/weak point but by it's average strength at corresponding distances. When that average strength is taken alone it is stronger ON AVERAGE along the equator than along the poles - that's a fact..
You don't half just confuse things!.
The centrifugal force at the equator overrides it, your being thrown out at a greater speed than at the poles where there's no centrifugal force....
I've already told you a practical way to experience this, just stand in the centre of a merry go round and then move to the edge.
A larger force counteracts a smaller force, that's why your water turning from a bucket is a myth, yes theres a force there but it's being counteracted by larger forces"
The average strength of the force of gravity on it's OWN is stronger along the Equator.
It's stronger alongbthe equator than at the poles - I ner said it doesn't get combined with the rotation of the Earth -- I NEVER SAID THAT.
I said SPECIFIC GRAVITY is stronger along the equator than it is at the poles because IT IS. |
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Meh, you are all amateurs at this physics malarkey, I've managed to construct a stable black hole, a portal to another dimension!.
Well, I must have, and it must be in my washing machine, or else where the fuck do one half of some of my pairs of socks go to, eh? Pick the bones out of that fucker, I dare ya!  |
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"we don't know which way is up or down on our planet, or even the universe."
"Down" is simply gravitationally induced movement toward the strongest acting force of gravity in whatever relevant environment you happen to be using to quantify such a direction - "Up" is simply the reverse of which.
So on Earth "down" is the direction towards the centre of mass for our paraticular planet and "up" is away from that centre of mass in the oposing direction because our Planet is our strongest acting local force of gravity.
So we DO know which is which on our planet.
On a universal scale it is the same but with much weaker forces acting to determine which is the strongest force acting in any particular direction so on a universal scale one needs to able to determine the strongest local force of gravity to determine which direction is which even if that force is so slight it has an almost imperceptible affect because at present there exist no known point in the known universe where one can be free of a gravitational force - because that would imply the existance of "an anti-blackhole" and the known laws of physics do not allow for such a thing to exist 'yet'.
So the logical conclusion to these principals that I can use to further prove that you are wrong AGAIN is the fact that there exists a point in space between the Earth and the Moon where both directions to each particular body correspond to being "down" (you travel down to the surface of the Moon and down to the surface of the Earth) which means at that particular point in space there is no meaningful "up" between the ttw -unless you wanted to consider one "up" and one "down" but even considering it so would not mean one was an "up" - it would simply mean that your OPINION is that one was "up".
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