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chimeras - human-pig embryos

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Scientists in the United States are trying to grow human organs inside pigs.

They have injected human stem cells into pig embryos to produce human-pig embryos known as chimeras.

The embryos are part of research aimed at overcoming the worldwide shortage of transplant organs.

The team from University of California, Davis says they should look and behave like normal pigs except that one organ will be composed of human cells

good or bad? I have my own views which I will post later

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if i was young, and needed a perfectly healthy organ because one of mine failed id go for it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?"

That's the reason this is being done, not enough humans on donation register in both UK and USA

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Noooo...the real reason is to make Miss Piggy real..

so she can speak Californian and do karate..and mate with a frog..and then make even weirdier things..heh.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?

That's the reason this is being done, not enough humans on donation register in both UK and USA"

Ergo...

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Imagine walking through the forest after a transplant and being able to sniff out truffles

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?

That's the reason this is being done, not enough humans on donation register in both UK and USA

Ergo..."

I like the idea of making organ donation an opt-out thing, but my guess, based on legal precedent in the US, is that there would be too many restrictions to that happening (especially surrounding freedom of religion protections).

I don't about the UK, though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Could we still get bacon from the rest of the pig or would that make us cannibals

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think if someone does then an 'assumed donation' of their organs should be the norm.

I don't like the idea but if that was the only alternative I wouldn't say no...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?"

Surely nodody has any right to take any part of anyone unless given permission to do so.. there's a legal term for doing otherwise.. it's known as "theft"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

David Cameron's been putting his organ into pigs for years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?"

Yep.

I think we should all opt in by default and if you don't want to, then you are happy to opt out of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side"

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"David Cameron's been putting his organ into pigs for years."

This made me laugh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the concept may seem weird or dam right unpleasant to animal lovers but certain animal grafts are already fta approved in the states and I guess with an organ shortage using a pig is one forward

I guess its a matter of how you view medical science developments. Are we turning to Frankenstein type methods to prolong human lives and do we have the right to genetically alter animals to do so?

will deffo watch this thread with interest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant "

No, how an aminal is treated prior to being killed for food is not irrelevant to everyone. It's like saying about someone who was killed after being tortured that the torture was irrlevent because the person is dead.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?"

That's my position on it. Opt out rather than opt in.

I'm not religious at all so I've no objections to this procedure on any moral grounds. I think that an opt out policy would have to be scrutinised a lot more rigorously than the present opt in policy.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

are the american police having trouble recruiting or summut?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

You're talking about murder - that's completely different.

We're talking about food.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?"

this is exactly how it works in Wales

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think ."

So are you saying that all the worlds foodstock would exist is we weren't going to eventually eat them?

Because that's what it sounds like..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scientists in the United States are trying to grow human organs inside pigs.

They have injected human stem cells into pig embryos to produce human-pig embryos known as chimeras.

The embryos are part of research aimed at overcoming the worldwide shortage of transplant organs.

The team from University of California, Davis says they should look and behave like normal pigs except that one organ will be composed of human cells

good or bad? I have my own views which I will post later"

i tend to cause a riot with my opinions on experimenting on aminals so i'll bow out of this one before the site crashes from the over use of block buttons

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

You're talking about murder - that's completely different.

We're talking about food."

It isn't different. I'm equating your reasoning to humans so that it can be reasoned out. If you prefer, we can stick with animals.

Saying you eat animals and that it is ok to eat them for food is fine. Saying that it doesn't matter how you treat them prior to eating them is ludicrous and speaks to a certain mindset regarding animals. It is wrong to treat animals badly, whether they are bred for food or not. Indeed there are laws against it, and for good reason. That is true regardless of whether you eat animals or not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"David Cameron's been putting his organ into pigs for years."

Winning

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think ."

Humans have predators too. I'm sure there isn't a bunch of eco-lions roaming across Africa encouraging others lions not to eat the odd human who wanders off the beaten track. It's the natural order of things. We're omnivores, we have teeth designed to eat veg and meat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think .

So are you saying that all the worlds foodstock would exist is we weren't going to eventually eat them?

Because that's what it sounds like.."

I'm not convinced that we are justified in treating animals as a commodity in the first place .

The fact that we do is wrong in my opinion ...

And treating them as possible organ donors is playing at messing with evolution at best ...

The fact that we treat animals the way we do is bad enough ....This is another level

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

You're talking about murder - that's completely different.

We're talking about food.

It isn't different. I'm equating your reasoning to humans so that it can be reasoned out. If you prefer, we can stick with animals.

A lot of humans are just arrogant, they think we have the rights to do what we like, the share this world we do not own it, maybe if we had more respect for fellow animals who we share the world with it would be a better place instead of thinking everything is just ours for the taking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think .

are you compairing the intelligence of a lion to that of a human?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think .

are you compairing the intelligence of a lion to that of a human?

This is quite funny haha.

So...we get told by our teeth on what we can and should be eating?

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think .

are you compairing the intelligence of a lion to that of a human?

In the lion's habitat I'd say it was leagues ahead of a human.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

You're talking about murder - that's completely different.

We're talking about food.

It isn't different. I'm equating your reasoning to humans so that it can be reasoned out. If you prefer, we can stick with animals.

You're the stereotype of the "over reactionist vegetarian"

NOT ONCE DID I SAY IT'S OK TO MISTREAT ANIMALS - NOT ONCE.

Mistreating animals is WRONG - I said caring about an animals welfare after it's dead is pointless because it's already DEAD.

If it's alive and suffering then it should be cared for because it will need care.

Is it going to need care when you're eating it? NO

So please.. enlighten me regards this "CERTAIN MINDSET" you imply that I have?

I never said it's ok to mistreat animals - you just over reacted to something you wanted me to say but I clearly didn't say.

SIMPLE.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

This is quite funny haha.

So...we get told by our teeth on what we can and should be eating?

If humans ate a meat only diet we would soon develop all sorts of problems. Uncontrollable shaking from too much red meat is well documented. We need a healthy balance of meat and veg. That's how we're designed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's just wrong and to suggest they only exist for us to eat them is humanity at its worst .

Having been a lifelong vegetarian i am staggered by the way some people think .

So are you saying that all the worlds foodstock would exist is we weren't going to eventually eat them?

Because that's what it sounds like..

I'm not convinced that we are justified in treating animals as a commodity in the first place .

The fact that we do is wrong in my opinion ...

And treating them as possible organ donors is playing at messing with evolution at best ...

The fact that we treat animals the way we do is bad enough ....This is another level

Your opinion doesn't mean it is wrong - it means TO YOU IT'S WRONG.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'm a meat eater. I accept that animals have been used to help create a lit if the medicine we have now. But, just because we can do this should we?

My concern is about crossing the species barrier that offers some protection. My concern is that we think everything can be cured, and should be cured, because we can. My concern is that this will become something else that will benefit those with the money to pay for it and everyone else will be left with a lesser option.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Your opinion doesn't mean it is wrong - it means TO YOU IT'S WRONG.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine."

May I just say...

LOL

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is quite funny haha.

So...we get told by our teeth on what we can and should be eating?

i have not eaten meat since i was 14 years old, sadly thats a lot of years

i raised my children vegaterian till they were old enough to choose for themself what they wanted to eat, my eldest daugher is 23 and never eaten meat, shes been vegan sonce she was 18 and theres nothing wrong with her at all, shes perfectly healthy

Humans don't need meat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is quite funny haha.

So...we get told by our teeth on what we can and should be eating?

i have not eaten meat since i was 14 years old, sadly thats a lot of years

Humans don't need meat

I like this idea of bringing up kids and letting them choose what is best for them once they are old enough.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If the pigs weren't bread for that soul purpose and had a decent quality of life too wasn't going to cause pain or damage to the animal itself I do not honestly see a problem. If I was in desperate need of an organ or god forbid my son was I would in no way say no to it but if it was a human donor I'd thank the person or their family personally for it because at the end of the day nobody really has to its not law they do it out of the kindness of their hearts I'd happily be an organ donor

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is quite funny haha.

So...we get told by our teeth on what we can and should be eating?

i have not eaten meat since i was 14 years old, sadly thats a lot of years

Humans don't need meat

Vegetables and plants are what my food eats. Please stop eating my food's food!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As someone with a chronic illness meaning I will require an organ transplant within the next 5 years or so, I think it's brilliant. I'm 'lucky' in that I need a new kidney and that can come from a living donor. But I have a friend who's hd a liver transplant due to a similar condition to mine and she was so very poorly whilst basically waiting for someone else to die so she could have her surgery!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like this idea of bringing up kids and letting them choose what is best for them once they are old enough.

That's what all parents do. My mum and dad don't phone me up every weekend to make sure I'm still eating meat and dairy!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is quite funny haha.

So...we get told by our teeth on what we can and should be eating?

i have not eaten meat since i was 14 years old, sadly thats a lot of years

Humans don't need meat

I like this idea of bringing up kids and letting them choose what is best for them once they are old enough.

i got a lot of stick for it, people saying what rights do i have to decide my kids should be vegaterian, but my argument was i never decided anything for my kids, i did what every mother does, i fed my kids what i ate, people who eat mean give their kids meat, i just saw it as the same, i don't eat mean so didnt give it the kids, as soon as they were old enough to decide they ate what they wanted, my middle and youngest daugher eat meat and thats their choice, my eldest don't again her choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

You're talking about murder - that's completely different.

We're talking about food.

It isn't different. I'm equating your reasoning to humans so that it can be reasoned out. If you prefer, we can stick with animals.

You're the stereotype of the "over reactionist vegetarian"

NOT ONCE DID I SAY IT'S OK TO MISTREAT ANIMALS - NOT ONCE.

Mistreating animals is WRONG - I said caring about an animals welfare after it's dead is pointless because it's already DEAD.

If it's alive and suffering then it should be cared for because it will need care.

Is it going to need care when you're eating it? NO

So please.. enlighten me regards this "CERTAIN MINDSET" you imply that I have?

I never said it's ok to mistreat animals - you just over reacted to something you wanted me to say but I clearly didn't say.

SIMPLE."

Dude, you say I'm an overreactionist, but from what I can see you're the one who needs to chill out a bit.

You said: "[Animals] exist for us to eat...so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant."

That implies that you do not care how an animals is treated before it dies. You said it's welfare was "irrelevant." I contend that it isn't irrelevant because for every animal that is dead and on someone's plate there are countless more who are currently being mistreated and who we should be worried about. The one stands for the whole.

The mindset I refer to is the thought process that leads one to think that animals only exist for the benefit of humans, for their consumption, and which allows animals to be treated badly because, hey, they'll be dead anyway. People like you make me sad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

You're talking about murder - that's completely different.

We're talking about food.

It isn't different. I'm equating your reasoning to humans so that it can be reasoned out. If you prefer, we can stick with animals.

You're the stereotype of the "over reactionist vegetarian"

NOT ONCE DID I SAY IT'S OK TO MISTREAT ANIMALS - NOT ONCE.

Mistreating animals is WRONG - I said caring about an animals welfare after it's dead is pointless because it's already DEAD.

If it's alive and suffering then it should be cared for because it will need care.

Is it going to need care when you're eating it? NO

So please.. enlighten me regards this "CERTAIN MINDSET" you imply that I have?

I never said it's ok to mistreat animals - you just over reacted to something you wanted me to say but I clearly didn't say.

SIMPLE.

Dude, you say I'm an overreactionist, but from what I can see you're the one who needs to chill out a bit.

You said: "[Animals] exist for us to eat...so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant."

1. I never once said or implied their living welfare is irrelevant.

2. The animals we breed for food - because we bred/created them for food - exist for us to eat - so those animals LITERALLY "only exist for the benfit of humans" - that's a fact wether you like it or not.

So the facts are clear here - yoy're creating an issue here out of nothing.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Oh!

We got a live one!

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

*sets clock ticking 'till UNLOS*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it helps save a life of a loved one or child I am all for it, the animal growing the embryo's will be looked after much better than the ones raised for meat alone.

not many think of the well being of animals when they tuck into their bacon sandwich, burger or steak with eggs on the side

Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

You're talking about murder - that's completely different.

We're talking about food.

It isn't different. I'm equating your reasoning to humans so that it can be reasoned out. If you prefer, we can stick with animals.

You're the stereotype of the "over reactionist vegetarian"

NOT ONCE DID I SAY IT'S OK TO MISTREAT ANIMALS - NOT ONCE.

Mistreating animals is WRONG - I said caring about an animals welfare after it's dead is pointless because it's already DEAD.

If it's alive and suffering then it should be cared for because it will need care.

Is it going to need care when you're eating it? NO

So please.. enlighten me regards this "CERTAIN MINDSET" you imply that I have?

I never said it's ok to mistreat animals - you just over reacted to something you wanted me to say but I clearly didn't say.

SIMPLE.

Dude, you say I'm an overreactionist, but from what I can see you're the one who needs to chill out a bit.

You said: "[Animals] exist for us to eat...so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant."

1. I never once said or implied their living welfare is irrelevant.

So the facts are clear here - yoy're creating an issue here out of nothing."

I'm not. I believe I quoted you accurately. Perhaps that isn't what you meant, but it is what you wrote. Anyway, glad to see that isn't how you feel.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I do feel a little uneasy over the messing with things on a genetic level be it plant or amimal for food or research after all look at the whole CJD mess we got ourselves into n we still dont know the long term effects of GM crop

Its also arragant to view animals as less than just because they are not as evolved as humans but that just my opinion

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

It's a highly emotive subject and I wouldn't dream of trying to convert a vegetarian or vegan into eating meat. It's their lifestyle choice and I respect that.

I wasn't raised as a vegetarian and in my younger years it wasn't something I was remotely aware of. I also wasn't aware of the suffering that millions of animals undergo just to get a few slices of packaged ham in tescos.

I do eat meat but I won't buy from retailers who turn a blind eye to dodgy practices by the firms who supply them, but I recognise that where enterprise is great so too is error.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

I fancy some human meat. Am I allowed to raise a few in my back garden (they'll be fed very well and allowed to roam around. I guess you could call them organic humans. Then when the time comes, I'll slaughter them in the most humane way possible so they don't suffer any pain at all)

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

A pig that wants to be eaten...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1nxaQhsaaw

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By *ws101Man over a year ago

mansfield

Strange how its veggies vs meat eaters... yet you say its cruel to eat meat... how does a venus fly trap know to close when a fly touches it? How can a dandilion know to open in the day and close at night? Can plants feel?

Putting that aside.. pigs to go slaughter.. wild boar roam free. Human interventian has caused pigs to get fat.. be mainly pink...and have more meat in desired areas... such as belly..chop..and back... these pigs were infact created to die for food.. so why not save a life in the process?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?"

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

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By *ws101Man over a year ago

mansfield

Oh and veggies out there... did you know the true colour of that fine carrot your eating is down to human intervention? There supposed to be purple....google it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?"

i don't even ask if they eat meat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day."

yeah go for it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!"

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan."

The smell?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

The smell?

our farts do stink.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

The smell?

There's a sect of Frutarians in Glastonbury - they go further than vegans in that they will eat nothing unless it has 'naturally' fallen from a tree/plant/whatever.

Sad, fragile, pasty people. They'd snap if you fucked 'em

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!""

[Gets the old BBQ out from the shed and dusts it off]

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

The smell?

our farts do stink.

Tell me about it. I'll say one word: Sprouts.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!"

[Gets the old BBQ out from the shed and dusts it off]

*sits down to lunch with a bacon sarnie and a pint*

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

There's a sect of Frutarians in Glastonbury - they go further than vegans in that they will eat nothing unless it has 'naturally' fallen from a tree/plant/whatever.

Sad, fragile, pasty people. They'd snap if you fucked 'em

Hippy throwbacks?

Frutarian sounds quite kinky actually.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!""

Go for it, we shall make all the sinners and sluts on here repent

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!"

[Gets the old BBQ out from the shed and dusts it off]

*sits down to lunch with a bacon sarnie and a pint*"

Bit early to be drinking?

[Says that with a pint of peroni in hand]

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!"

Go for it, we shall make all the sinners and sluts on here repent

Who is this God anyway?

Triple-timing the Jews, Christians and Muslims?

What a cunt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Has anyone taken into account the pigs quality of life? Yes I know we eat them but what effect is this going to have on its quality of life.

Also why are we not trying to grow organs outside animal or human bodies as in labs inside machines.

I would much prefer that kind of direction rather than inflict ourselves on animals any more than we have to for food.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

I know of a non religious couple who bought a dog and named it 'Repent' knowing full well that their very religious friends next door would look after it when they went away and if the dog got out they would have to call it back.. loudly..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!"

Go for it, we shall make all the sinners and sluts on here repent

Who is this God anyway?

Triple-timing the Jews, Christians and Muslims?

What a cunt.

He's probably laughing at us fools. Like big brother, we might just be a tv reality show

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"Has anyone taken into account the pigs quality of life? Yes I know we eat them but what effect is this going to have on its quality of life.

Also why are we not trying to grow organs outside animal or human bodies as in labs inside machines.

I would much prefer that kind of direction rather than inflict ourselves on animals any more than we have to for food.

I think these animals with human dna in them would have to be kept in the most sterile of conditions. They most certainly won't be living like normal pigs. The level of scientific research going into this would demand no less, especially if the end result is transplant into humans.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone taken into account the pigs quality of life? Yes I know we eat them but what effect is this going to have on its quality of life.

Also why are we not trying to grow organs outside animal or human bodies as in labs inside machines.

I would much prefer that kind of direction rather than inflict ourselves on animals any more than we have to for food.

Quality of life is very important, unfortunately many industrial farmers are money minded. It's also the increased demand that suppliers have had to keep up with.

I'm sure scientists are trying to do that, it would be worth billions. But till then

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

BBQ is best

Every time I see your username I chuckle and want to change mine to The Prophet Mohammad

"Don't panic -

I'm Islamic!"

Go for it, we shall make all the sinners and sluts on here repent

Who is this God anyway?

Triple-timing the Jews, Christians and Muslims?

What a cunt.

He's probably laughing at us fools. Like big brother, we might just be a tv reality show

THAT would make a great episode of Jeremy Kyle

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone taken into account the pigs quality of life? Yes I know we eat them but what effect is this going to have on its quality of life.

Also why are we not trying to grow organs outside animal or human bodies as in labs inside machines.

I would much prefer that kind of direction rather than inflict ourselves on animals any more than we have to for food.

The problem is I have this vision of piggy body banks with rows of pigs in stasus just there for organ reproduction

that would be an all time low for the human race

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has anyone taken into account the pigs quality of life? Yes I know we eat them but what effect is this going to have on its quality of life.

Also why are we not trying to grow organs outside animal or human bodies as in labs inside machines.

I would much prefer that kind of direction rather than inflict ourselves on animals any more than we have to for food.

The problem is I have this vision of piggy body banks with rows of pigs in stasus just there for organ reproduction

that would be an all time low for the human race "

It's easy for you to say that when you're not faced with potentially not seeing your children grow up etc. I have posted above but I think it got lost in the vegan-ism stuff.

I have a chronic illness that will require me to have a transplant in the future. Without it, I will die. I have two young children. Would I rather a pig suffer and my children have a mother? Hell yes! Do I feel guilty about it? No.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

I would advise caution, what if it wasn't a heart attack but he was poisened, best put him on ice and let the genetically modified pigs do some test eating before you dust off the BBQ

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm interested if any vegans or vegetarians would refuse an organ grown in an animal for themselves, or their children?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm interested if any vegans or vegetarians would refuse an organ grown in an animal for themselves, or their children?"

To die as a result of doing so would mean they were literally giving their own life for the sake of a pig..

So I'm also interested in hearing the answers to this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm interested if any vegans or vegetarians would refuse an organ grown in an animal for themselves, or their children?"

I'm a vegetarian. I don't even object to eating meat, as long as animals are treated humanely before they are killed. I'm mainly a vegetarian because I'm against factory farming.

That is pertinent because I feel the same about this scenario as I do about killing for food. If we treat animals humanely before killing them (for food or organ harvesting) then I would in principle not object. If they aren't treated humanely, then yes, I would reject the organ. I don't have children, so won't answer that bit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm interested if any vegans or vegetarians would refuse an organ grown in an animal for themselves, or their children?"

i would, i have a court order on my medical records that would stop me getting certain treatment was i to ill to make my wishes known to medical staff

As for my children thats not my dission to make, if they were ill id respect their wishes and act in their best interest

my veiww are just that and i dont push them on other people

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

We've already crossed a rubicon in terms of 'medicine' with treatments like IVF in my opinion.

This is something else though. As long as the animals aren't suffering more than they already do for food production (which the vast majority of people seem happy with) then I don't see a problem.

Medicine/biotechnology/pharmacology can never cure everything, but those boundaries are always being extended, imagine if Alexander Flemming had that attitude - many of us would be dead from bacterial infections.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's difficult as I do feel that we are going too far in science on this. It does make you wonder how far it will go. Just because we can the technology doesn't mean we have to use it.

However, I know that if it meant the difference in someone I loved, living or dying, I'd want them to have an organ. Even if it was temporarily whilst they waited for a human one. I watched that programme a while back on people waiting for transplants, it was heart wrenching as many got too poorly to even be considered for one. So I couldn't judge anyone badly for having the organ.

Like others said, we need to do more to get more people on the transplant list. I'm sure Wales have an opt out policy already.

Sarah

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm interested if any vegans or vegetarians would refuse an organ grown in an animal for themselves, or their children?

I'm a vegetarian. I don't even object to eating meat, as long as animals are treated humanely before they are killed. I'm mainly a vegetarian because I'm against factory farming.

i have to agree

if people go out and kill what they eat thats fine

i don't see any difference in people who lead a hunter gather life style to a lion killing its next meal

its how meat has been turned into a multi million pound industry where that many animal are killed thousands of tuns are simply thrown away each year because its surplus to requirement i object to

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I'm all for it, if it's someone's last chance.

Skin was harvested for Trump's hair in all likelihood.

Plenty of bacon sandwiches to go around later too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work."

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*"

It's not A pig though is it

If you take a heart (or whatever you need) from a pig its not just that pig that's died for you, its all the pigs that were experimented on in order for that heart in that pig to be compatible

It's all the animals, mainly primates, that have died in order to produce the drugs you will need after transplant

It's hundreds of thousands of animals over years that have suffered for that one heart in that one pig to successfully be accepted by your body

And I'm sorry but I am but one human being, my life's simply not worth that

So no I personally would not take any body part from any animal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*"

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason"

And again.

I'm not following you around. I'm commenting on a thread. You made a disparaging comment about people who would give up their lives for a pig. Only a few people actually answered that particular question, myself included. So it was pertinent to me.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely."

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Skin was harvested for Trump's hair in all likelihood.

Sometimes you really tickle me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you."

I'm not goading you into anything. I have an opinion which I'm allowed to state. I have never slurred you. Unlike you who continously slur me by calling me petty, again and again and again. *yawn* You have yet to address the points made earlier. You just insinuate nasty things with vague posts and then personally attack people who disagree.

Just don't answer me if you don't like me. I'm not a pet that can be told to "go away." I'm someone who is bored at work and wasting time. There's a difference.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

This shit still goin' on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you.

Just don't answer me if you don't like me. I'm not a pet that can be told to "go away." I'm someone who is bored at work and wasting time. There's a difference."

We're all entitled to an opinion of course and mine of you is that it's petty of you to follow me around as you obviously are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you.

Just don't answer me if you don't like me. I'm not a pet that can be told to "go away." I'm someone who is bored at work and wasting time. There's a difference.

We're all entitled to an opinion of course and mine of you is that it's petty of you to follow me around as you obviously are"

Your inability to simply not answer me shows that you are petty and that you are now following me around. Just my opinion.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"This shit still goin' on?

I'll take that as a 'yes'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you.

Just don't answer me if you don't like me. I'm not a pet that can be told to "go away." I'm someone who is bored at work and wasting time. There's a difference.

We're all entitled to an opinion of course and mine of you is that it's petty of you to follow me around as you obviously are

Your inability to simply not answer me shows that you are petty and that you are now following me around. Just my opinion."

What an incredibly childish response

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This shit still goin' on?

I'll take that as a 'yes'

Nice out ain't it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have no objection on any grounds....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This shit still goin' on?

Seems like it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you.

Just don't answer me if you don't like me. I'm not a pet that can be told to "go away." I'm someone who is bored at work and wasting time. There's a difference.

We're all entitled to an opinion of course and mine of you is that it's petty of you to follow me around as you obviously are

Your inability to simply not answer me shows that you are petty and that you are now following me around. Just my opinion.

What an incredibly childish response"

I know because I just copied yours

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

It's not A pig though is it

If you take a heart (or whatever you need) from a pig its not just that pig that's died for you, its all the pigs that were experimented on in order for that heart in that pig to be compatible

It's all the animals, mainly primates, that have died in order to produce the drugs you will need after transplant

It's hundreds of thousands of animals over years that have suffered for that one heart in that one pig to successfully be accepted by your body

And I'm sorry but I am but one human being, my life's simply not worth that

So no I personally would not take any body part from any animal

It's not quote as clear cut as that though. We live on a planet where we are the dominant species and our entire lives are governed by commodity and supply and demand but if we halted animal experimentation and no research was done in combatting the diseases that affect ALL of humanity there would be an outcry from the ignorant masses as to why a child died unnecessary.

I'm not too fussed as to why we're the dominant species but we are it's a fact. And if we're to continue being the dominant species then we must act as such. I don't recall too many elephants on yellow hard hats on the many buildings sites I've been on. It is what it is. I can respect a person's right to to eat/wear/adorn their bodies with animal produce so pong as they respect my right to disagree with them accordingly.

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

Lots of typos. No edit facility.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

It's not A pig though is it

If you take a heart (or whatever you need) from a pig its not just that pig that's died for you, its all the pigs that were experimented on in order for that heart in that pig to be compatible

It's all the animals, mainly primates, that have died in order to produce the drugs you will need after transplant

It's hundreds of thousands of animals over years that have suffered for that one heart in that one pig to successfully be accepted by your body

And I'm sorry but I am but one human being, my life's simply not worth that

So no I personally would not take any body part from any animal

Not sure what an elephant in a hard has got to do with it are they from the same area as the eco friendly lions to speak of

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you.

Just don't answer me if you don't like me. I'm not a pet that can be told to "go away." I'm someone who is bored at work and wasting time. There's a difference.

We're all entitled to an opinion of course and mine of you is that it's petty of you to follow me around as you obviously are

Your inability to simply not answer me shows that you are petty and that you are now following me around. Just my opinion.

What an incredibly childish response

I know because I just copied yours

You're a child

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

I've already had correct one slur from you today and the proof is on this very thread - go away and stop being petty by trying to goad me in to a confrontation with you.

Just don't answer me if you don't like me. I'm not a pet that can be told to "go away." I'm someone who is bored at work and wasting time. There's a difference.

We're all entitled to an opinion of course and mine of you is that it's petty of you to follow me around as you obviously are

Your inability to simply not answer me shows that you are petty and that you are now following me around. Just my opinion.

What an incredibly childish response

I know because I just copied yours

You're a child"

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

Not sure what an elephant in a hard has got to do with it are they from the same area as the eco friendly lions to speak of

Wouldn't it be an interesting world if the animals could speak for themselves a la Narnia.

I think most people would think twice about eating their best friend's Aunty

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By *piritsonfabCouple over a year ago

Nottingham

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

Ghastly isn't it. Always amazes me that people who show some compassion are slated so badly. As it that were a weak or bad thing to do. So sad.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Scientists in the United States are trying to grow human organs inside pigs.

They have injected human stem cells into pig embryos to produce human-pig embryos known as chimeras.

The embryos are part of research aimed at overcoming the worldwide shortage of transplant organs.

The team from University of California, Davis says they should look and behave like normal pigs except that one organ will be composed of human cells

good or bad? I have my own views which I will post later"

I'm undecided quite honestly though I'm tending to lean towards the 'for' camp.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

...things are getting a bit heated in here.

Let's all kiss and make up people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People giving their lives for the sake of a pig = natural selection at work.

Back to the ad hominem attacks, are we? *yawn*

Why are you so petty?

You're deliberately following me around for some reason

And again.

But again, you find it very difficult to debate a point rather than be particularly insulting to a specific person. A point which I find speaks to the value of your position and argument very nicely.

Ghastly isn't it. Always amazes me that people who show some compassion are slated so badly. As it that were a weak or bad thing to do. So sad."

Compassion is one thing, being foolish enough to give your life for the sake of a pig is quite another.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People who can't understand the difference between treating animals with dignity and giving up your life to save a single pig are exactly why these debates never go well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

If you visit Liberia you can try this first hand, or perhaps you will become the food!!!

Liberia dictators and their mercenary soldiers truly believe that eating the person they kill, especially the heart ensures they take on the power of that person and become stronger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

There are some things that its not nice to joke about, sometimes that joke can become a reality

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

It isn't, it is illegal to kill someone and eat their flesh, and it is illegal to desecrate a dead body, but it would be legal to cut off a persons arm with his/her consent and eat it.

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?"

No, one reason for the current research is due to the rate that some organs such as the pancreas deteriorate after the death of the donor.

Having said that organ shortage is also another reason

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

to kill them to eat it or to just eat people who have died anyway

..both.

Secenario 1:

Scenario 2:

I have a friend around at mine. He has a heart attack and drops dead right there on the couch.

Am I allowed to eat him?

I haven't eaten all day.

yeah go for it

BBQ is best

If you visit Liberia you can try this first hand, or perhaps you will become the food!!!

Liberia dictators and their mercenary soldiers truly believe that eating the person they kill, especially the heart ensures they take on the power of that person and become stronger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

There are some things that its not nice to joke about, sometimes that joke can become a reality

scared to click this link

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

watched this documentary when offshore, it starts off well but opens your eyes to what goes on in this crazy world, its not just animals that get mistreated!!!

are we sure this world is not a living hell!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The price of my kidneys on the black market will go down now, ffs.

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By *ezebelWoman over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ive removed posts, can you drop the bickering please. Thanks

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"People who can't understand the difference between treating animals with dignity and giving up your life to save a single pig are exactly why these debates never go well.

Lovely pics in your profile Marc, a dressed lady can look very very attractive

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who can't understand the difference between treating animals with dignity and giving up your life to save a single pig are exactly why these debates never go well.

Lovely pics in your profile Marc, a dressed lady can look very very attractive

This is Courtney, not Marc, and thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scientists in the United States are trying to grow human organs inside pigs.

They have injected human stem cells into pig embryos to produce human-pig embryos known as chimeras.

The embryos are part of research aimed at overcoming the worldwide shortage of transplant organs.

The team from University of California, Davis says they should look and behave like normal pigs except that one organ will be composed of human cells

good or bad? I have my own views which I will post later"

This is not a new frontier

Neither is it advancement in science

This in my opinion is gross.

Can only be equated to 'The Human Centipede' fictional drama

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People who can't understand the difference between treating animals with dignity and giving up your life to save a single pig are exactly why these debates never go well.

I think the problem is a lot do see it as just a single pig when it's not

It maybe just one pig that has to die for that organ but the animals that have to suffer and die in order to have obtained that technology and who have died in order to obtain the drugs you will need after runs into the hundreds of thousands, one pig does not die

And yes I'm a fool

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

This had the potential for an interesting debate about organ donation, advances in science and how we think about other species.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"This had the potential for an interesting debate about organ donation, advances in science and how we think about other species.

threads always go pear shape, only takes one comment to make it go on a tangent, still, lets hope someone else can start afresh with a new thread as this one is coming to an end

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question"

You can.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question"

As a nurse I can answer that

If you have had a blood transfusion before 1980 yes you can still give blood and organ donate, if it was after 1980 then no

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seems they won't be saving many Muslim or Jewish lives then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question

As a nurse I can answer that

If you have had a blood transfusion before 1980 yes you can still give blood and organ donate, if it was after 1980 then no"

1982

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question

As a nurse I can answer that

If you have had a blood transfusion before 1980 yes you can still give blood and organ donate, if it was after 1980 then no"

Actually to add to that in some cases it maybe assessed on a personal basis

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question

As a nurse I can answer that

If you have had a blood transfusion before 1980 yes you can still give blood and organ donate, if it was after 1980 then no

1982"

In some cases they may let you, its a no for blood but for bone marrow and organ donation it maybe possible but more often than not they won't use body parts from somebody who's had a blood transfusion

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question

As a nurse I can answer that

If you have had a blood transfusion before 1980 yes you can still give blood and organ donate, if it was after 1980 then no"

I was told that you can't donate blood but organs and bone marrow are assessed separately and that I could sign the donor card/online register.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

They live longer than animals and generally have a terrible diet, it'd be all stringy and nasty

lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Having said that I wouldn't accept a human organ either even though I donated my son's organs when he died

Question someone may know the answer to??

I cannot give blood as I received a blood donation 30 years ago due to RTA

can I still donate organs

serious question

As a nurse I can answer that

If you have had a blood transfusion before 1980 yes you can still give blood and organ donate, if it was after 1980 then no

I was told that you can't donate blood but organs and bone marrow are assessed separately and that I could sign the donor card/online register."

If you have had a blood transfusion you run a greater risk of exposure to vCJD as blood run through your organs you organs could pass this onto who receives them

They will sometimes use organs from people who have had transfusions but more often they do not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm interested if any vegans or vegetarians would refuse an organ grown in an animal for themselves, or their children?"

I would totally refuse it .

My children will choose for themselves .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

The smell?

There's a sect of Frutarians in Glastonbury - they go further than vegans in that they will eat nothing unless it has 'naturally' fallen from a tree/plant/whatever.

Sad, fragile, pasty people. They'd snap if you fucked 'em

Natural selection will sort them out!

People are literally becoming too soft in more ways than one..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

They live longer than animals and generally have a terrible diet, it'd be all stringy and nasty

lol"

Ew, that's me put me right of em now

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By *lactontogMan over a year ago

Clacton on Sea

"Scientists in the United States are trying to grow human organs inside pigs.

They have injected human stem cells into pig embryos to produce human-pig embryos known as chimeras.

The embryos are part of research aimed at overcoming the worldwide shortage of transplant organs.

The team from University of California, Davis says they should look and behave like normal pigs except that one organ will be composed of human cells

good or bad? I have my own views which I will post later"

As long as i didn't have the urge to go around nicking everyone after i can't see the harm lol.

If we eat these animals as part of our everyday life so why have a problem if they were also saving people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

The smell?

There's a sect of Frutarians in Glastonbury - they go further than vegans in that they will eat nothing unless it has 'naturally' fallen from a tree/plant/whatever.

Sad, fragile, pasty people. They'd snap if you fucked 'em

Natural selection will sort them out!

People are literally becoming too soft in more ways than one.."

Ah so showing compassion and respect to animals makes me soft does it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

The smell?

There's a sect of Frutarians in Glastonbury - they go further than vegans in that they will eat nothing unless it has 'naturally' fallen from a tree/plant/whatever.

Sad, fragile, pasty people. They'd snap if you fucked 'em

Natural selection will sort them out!

People are literally becoming too soft in more ways than one..

Ah so showing compassion and respect to animals makes me soft does it ?

Please try to refrain from personally taking offence where none is meant for you - you'll start another argument

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How did this thread go from organ research and transplants to meat eaters v vegans?

My question is, are there any vegans that would refuse to fuck a meat eater purely because of that?

I'd think twice before fucking a vegan.

The smell?

No! What if they suddenly want meat again when they're sucking your dick?!

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant "

Do you buy battery hen eggs?

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

I've arrived late but my views are:

Donating organs should remain an opt-in system

Organs grown in pigs might be fine but I'd want to know more.

Animal welfare is seriously important.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

Do you buy battery hen eggs?"

I don't. I'm positive about that, and feel very negative towards those who do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thinking about their "well being" is not going to change the fact that they're dead and you're eating them.

They exist for us to eat - if we weren't going to eventually eat them they wouldn't specifically exist in the first place so at the end of the day when they're dead their "well being" is irrelevant

Do you buy battery hen eggs?"

I buy whatever eggs are for sale, I have no preference.

To me an egg is an egg but if I knew that chickens were being treated illegally in the production of those eggs then I'd report those responsible to the police like the good little boy that I am

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By *izzy.Woman over a year ago

Stoke area

"As someone with a chronic illness meaning I will require an organ transplant within the next 5 years or so, I think it's brilliant. I'm 'lucky' in that I need a new kidney and that can come from a living donor. But I have a friend who's hd a liver transplant due to a similar condition to mine and she was so very poorly whilst basically waiting for someone else to die so she could have her surgery! "

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

The problem is very few people want their loved ones cut up after they have died, its a very personal thing, while it's ok for us sat here saying people should donate its not always that easy a dissision to make when it's your child laying there on the slab and your the one being asked if it's ok to use their organs

I lost my son when he was 20 month old and I allowed them to remove any organs that could be used

I remember a woman saying to me "ohh I could never do that I love my kids far to much to let them mess about with them after they had died"

For me it seemed the right thing to do, once he had gone they were no us to him so I thought I may as well let some other child have a chance of life, while to others its unthinkable

Every mother would take an organ for their dieing child very few give

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By *eccymanMan over a year ago

Gateshead

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

I lost my son when he was 20 month old and I allowed them to remove any organs that could be used

I remember a woman saying to me "ohh I could never do that I love my kids far to much to let them mess about with them after they had died"

For me it seemed the right thing to do, once he had gone they were no us to him so I thought I may as well let some other child have a chance of life, while to others its unthinkable

Every mother would take an organ for their dieing child very few give"

I have so much respect for you for doing that. The pancreas is an organ that has to be removed and transplanted in HOURS or it ceases to be of use and doctors face a very difficult task asking the loved ones of the deceased for permission to remove organs.

Kudos to you NN.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

I lost my son when he was 20 month old and I allowed them to remove any organs that could be used

I remember a woman saying to me "ohh I could never do that I love my kids far to much to let them mess about with them after they had died"

For me it seemed the right thing to do, once he had gone they were no us to him so I thought I may as well let some other child have a chance of life, while to others its unthinkable

Every mother would take an organ for their dieing child very few give"

NN, I have nothing but admiration for your actions. Your last sentence is so true.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Do you buy battery hen eggs?

I buy whatever eggs are for sale, I have no preference.

To me an egg is an egg but if I knew that chickens were being treated illegally in the production of those eggs then I'd report those responsible to the police like the good little boy that I am

Sadly it's not illegal to mistreat hens like that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

I lost my son when he was 20 month old and I allowed them to remove any organs that could be used

I remember a woman saying to me "ohh I could never do that I love my kids far to much to let them mess about with them after they had died"

For me it seemed the right thing to do, once he had gone they were no us to him so I thought I may as well let some other child have a chance of life, while to others its unthinkable

Every mother would take an organ for their dieing child very few give"

Absolutely amazing.

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Seems they won't be saving many Muslim or Jewish lives then."

Yes that's interesting. Any muslims or jews got anything to say about having pig organs? They presumably would prefer cow or sheep/goat organs? What about the hindus? Maybe a more eclectic approach then. Monkeys? aha that would fuck up things for creationists.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

I lost my son when he was 20 month old and I allowed them to remove any organs that could be used

I remember a woman saying to me "ohh I could never do that I love my kids far to much to let them mess about with them after they had died"

For me it seemed the right thing to do, once he had gone they were no us to him so I thought I may as well let some other child have a chance of life, while to others its unthinkable

Every mother would take an organ for their dieing child very few give"

Exactly NN, people are getting all high and mighty about whether they would accept an organ if it came from an animals but the majority would. If it came down to it.

I'm so sorry for your loss! What you did was an amazing thing. And as someone who will be on the receiving end of a transplant one day, I'll be so grateful to the donor/their family/animal for giving me my life back.

My children deserve to have a mother around, at least whilst they are little and that's the only way that it's going to be the case unfortunately

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Surely it would be simpler to presume that a deceased person is happy to donate their organs to those in need unless they specifically opt out?"

There arent enough dead people who die the right way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seems they won't be saving many Muslim or Jewish lives then.

Firstly its a 100% human organ just grown inside an animal.

But how would this clear example of intelligent design fuck things up for creationists

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you buy battery hen eggs?

I buy whatever eggs are for sale, I have no preference.

To me an egg is an egg but if I knew that chickens were being treated illegally in the production of those eggs then I'd report those responsible to the police like the good little boy that I am

Sadly it's not illegal to mistreat hens like that

Because the law doesn't deem it "mistreatment" which is why it's legal.

So your opinion of mistreatment is personal to you and others that hold the same view - but that doesn't mean that it is mistreatment - it just means YOU THINK it's mistreatment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem is very few people want their loved ones cut up after they have died, its a very personal thing, while it's ok for us sat here saying people should donate its not always that easy a dissision to make when it's your child laying there on the slab and your the one being asked if it's ok to use their organs

I lost my son when he was 20 month old and I allowed them to remove any organs that could be used

I remember a woman saying to me "ohh I could never do that I love my kids far to much to let them mess about with them after they had died"

For me it seemed the right thing to do, once he had gone they were no us to him so I thought I may as well let some other child have a chance of life, while to others its unthinkable

Every mother would take an organ for their dieing child very few give"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

Moral reasons aside its a public health hazard.

Mad cows disease came about from feeding cows to cows.

Disease is very easily passed on within a species via canabalism plus theres the added risk of things like prion diseases.

Just possesing human tissue is a health hazard hence why you csnt ask to keep your apendix etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm a meat eater. I accept that animals have been used to help create a lit if the medicine we have now. But, just because we can do this should we?

You mean exactly like meat?

Its something to benifit those with money like yourself, yet its production is to the detriment of those who cannot afford it but must put up with the consequences

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

Moral reasons aside its a public health hazard.

Mad cows disease came about from feeding cows to cows.

Disease is very easily passed on within a species via canabalism plus theres the added risk of things like prion diseases.

Just possesing human tissue is a health hazard hence why you csnt ask to keep your apendix etc"

BSE is a prion disease.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Quick question.

Just a bit curious...

Why is it illegal to eat human flesh?

Moral reasons aside its a public health hazard.

Mad cows disease came about from feeding cows to cows.

Disease is very easily passed on within a species via canabalism plus theres the added risk of things like prion diseases.

Just possesing human tissue is a health hazard hence why you csnt ask to keep your apendix etc

BSE is a prion disease. "

Yes i know that.

Thats why i mentioned it.

Prion's are an issue where canabalism is involved.

Not as much as bacterial/viral infections but still an issue

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It's sad that people seemed to have overlooked this very relevant post. If there were enough organs available for transplant, scientists would not be trying to find ways to assist humans in this way.

If my brother or sons needed an organ in order to save their life, I would be more than happy to get one for them, wherever it came from a person who died or a pig carrying a human organ.

A humans life is a precious thing.

Thanks KiannaJ for sharing your situation with us. I wish you well x

I lost my son when he was 20 month old and I allowed them to remove any organs that could be used

I remember a woman saying to me "ohh I could never do that I love my kids far to much to let them mess about with them after they had died"

For me it seemed the right thing to do, once he had gone they were no us to him so I thought I may as well let some other child have a chance of life, while to others its unthinkable

Every mother would take an organ for their dieing child very few give

Exactly NN, people are getting all high and mighty about whether they would accept an organ if it came from an animals but the majority would. If it came down to it.

My children deserve to have a mother around, at least whilst they are little and that's the only way that it's going to be the case unfortunately

good to see there is still great kindness in this world

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By *ricky_DickyMan over a year ago

Mirfield

"people are getting all high and mighty about whether they would accept an organ if it came from an animals but the majority would. If it came down to it."

How many of you know we already graft parts of pigs into humans?

They are heart valves to replace damaged ones in us humans.

Until you are in a situation where you need a organ transplant you cannot be really sure what choice you'd make. Well I am in that situation, I need a kidney transplant and if it was going to save my life I'd have a pigs kidney genetically modified or not. I'm fortunate I haven't got to that stage yet but after 12 years on the waiting list and even longer on dialysis my condition is very slowly getting worse.

I nearly died at 17 through kidney failure and was lucky to only spend a year on dialysis before I got a kidney from my mum. It lasted quite a while but in the end my immune system got the better of it. I'm 50 and consider myself lucky to still be here having seen a lot of people I've met on dialysis die, the 21 yr old mum of 1 yr old twins, a good mate just after his 40th birthday.

Thinking about it if I was given the choice a GM kidney or a 100% human I'd opt for the GM one. Why? well because with the human one I'd require some very toxic medications to suppress the immune system and they are not with out their risks, my first transplant I was given Azathioprin, now known to be carcinogenic. A GM kidney on the other if it was my DNA that was used to create it in theory would be accepted by my body as being me, no need for immunosupresants, who knows may even last a lifetime and no waiting for some poor bugger to die.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Oink oink

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""people are getting all high and mighty about whether they would accept an organ if it came from an animals but the majority would. If it came down to it."

How many of you know we already graft parts of pigs into humans?

They are heart valves to replace damaged ones in us humans.

Some people are just so piss poor in quality that they can only wish to rightfully own the moral high ground and because of that they are left with false pretenses of seeking such - constantly seeking to be seen and heard to be saying and doing what others would think is "right" simply because they are sheep following the herd.

It's sad.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"So your opinion of mistreatment is personal to you and others that hold the same view - but that doesn't mean that it is mistreatment - it just means YOU THINK it's mistreatment. "

I am quite aware of that.

Though I believe anyone (not just me) with any respect for nature would call it mistreatment.

Personally I have no time for people who think animal cruelty, legal or otherwise, is ok.

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