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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The migrant population paid 2 billion in tax according to osbourne. If true it implies 10 billion was earned (ish).

How much is sent out of the country to fund projects in their own countries and how much is spent here . 8 billion spent here would boost our shops etc.

Opinions please

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By *rs DCouple over a year ago

far

So true and dont forget the millions we send out in benefits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

2 billion over what time period? Is that people who live here permanently and including overseas companies who trade here? I read that the money sent abroad is equivalent to the aid budget.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The 8 billion is per year after tax.

where do they spend it or is it sent home ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's the "deflationary pressure" that the BoE keep speaking of.

To be fair the BoE seem to understand the current problems better than most central banks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I work with 4 Eastern Europeans who are all married with wifes and kids here who all send 20% of their earnings 'home' for when they are ready to go back. All in the minimum 9 years they have been here have either built houses or Bourgogne houses in their own country with the money they saved.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

would the ecb not be happy for 8 billion to be spent in the EU rather than here.

Not that the ecb has any monies or experts. the ex head of the failed ecb is now running the imf and is up on charges in France.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I work with 4 Eastern Europeans who are all married with wifes and kids here who all send 20% of their earnings 'home' for when they are ready to go back. All in the minimum 9 years they have been here have either built houses or Bourgogne houses in their own country with the money they saved. "

I do wonder how they can afford to live here with a family and send that amount of money home. I know solo men who do it,live together and very frugally,but to have a family here,especially those in the building trade who work for a lot less than their UK counterparts,I can't see how they can afford to rent a property and buy one back home.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mind you,I've had approximately 15 ish Polish and Russian workers in my house over the last two weeks and they work like Trojans (apart from the tiler who took 12 hours to do his work). Most of them didn't take a break either and none had a cup of tea.

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

4 couples living next door to us, rent is probably 7 - 800 per month, split four ways.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

4 couples living next door to us, rent is probably 7 - 800 per month, split four ways."

All with children? Where I live that wouldn't get you a 2 bedroom house or flat and I'm not in an expensive part of London.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"The migrant population paid 2 billion in tax according to osbourne. If true it implies 10 billion was earned (ish).

How much is sent out of the country to fund projects in their own countries and how much is spent here . 8 billion spent here would boost our shops etc.

Opinions please"

is this more than or less than the money our plutocrats export to panama in a week, or the figure that ex-pat pensioners withdraw from their overseas post office accounts or the the holiday money families spend on package tours, or any of the other plethora of monetary export mechanisms that have existed since maggie lifted the regulations that prevented this kind of thing in the early 80's.......

and they wanted gaol the KLF for burning a million quid .... seems like piss in the ocean to me

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Its more than all of it put together. The eu is full of those filling their pockets however im not talking about them . it was a question relating to the money earned here and spent in the eu.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Its more than all of it put together. The eu is full of those filling their pockets however im not talking about them . it was a question relating to the money earned here and spent in the eu."

We are currently part of the EU quite a lot of the money earned here is spent in the EU.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"Its more than all of it put together. The eu is full of those filling their pockets however im not talking about them . it was a question relating to the money earned here and spent in the eu."

and i said that's piss in the ocean in the grand scheme of things ..... which it is

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

It's their money they can do what the fuck they like with it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's their money they can do what the fuck they like with it"

Isn't there a cap on what you can send out of the country?

When you think about it how many British people have property abroad or go abroad every year,sometimes 2 or 3 times a year. Those holidays cost a lot and the money going abroad doesn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bet most of that goes via western union out the country

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's their money they can do what the fuck they like with it

Isn't there a cap on what you can send out of the country?

When you think about it how many British people have property abroad or go abroad every year,sometimes 2 or 3 times a year. Those holidays cost a lot and the money going abroad doesn't it?"
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No there used to be in back in the 80s but capital controls were "slackened" under Thatcher's big bang revolution

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you read the BBC news "have your say" there is a huge majority voting to leave at this moment

The Leave campaign says that if Britain votes to come out of the EU the government should do the following by 2020:

?End the automatic right of all EU citizens to come to live and work in the UK

?Those seeking entry for work or study should be admitted on the basis of their skills without discrimination on the ground of nationality

?To gain the right to work, economic migrants will have to be suitable for the job in question

?For relevant jobs, the UK will be able to ensure that all those who come have the ability to speak good English

EU citizens already lawfully resident in the UK would not be affected as they will be given indefinite leave to remain, and neither will Irish citizens

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The migrant population paid 2 billion in tax according to osbourne. If true it implies 10 billion was earned (ish).

How much is sent out of the country to fund projects in their own countries and how much is spent here . 8 billion spent here would boost our shops etc.

Opinions please"
8 billion is nothing compared to what amazon Google eBay Starbucks make a year in profits and pay a lot less in tax do you think that money stays in the UK?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You allowed them to break the law tut tut tut.

I had them for 5 months last year. The only one that was superb funny enough was the tiler. The plasterer was good and both left each night drinking a can of beer I gave them. The rest were rubbish. All had a drink at 11 and dinner for an hour at 1:30

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"The migrant population paid 2 billion in tax according to osbourne. If true it implies 10 billion was earned (ish).

How much is sent out of the country to fund projects in their own countries and how much is spent here . 8 billion spent here would boost our shops etc.

Opinions please"

Doubt he has a clue how much they earn or pay, and why does it matter, if work needs to be done then it gets done and whoever does it pays tax

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's their money they can do what the fuck they like with it

Isn't there a cap on what you can send out of the country?

When you think about it how many British people have property abroad or go abroad every year,sometimes 2 or 3 times a year. Those holidays cost a lot and the money going abroad doesn't it?"

And how many Brits live abroad and may have property here still. We do tend to make out we never live overseas, heaps of us do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The migrant population paid 2 billion in tax according to osbourne. If true it implies 10 billion was earned (ish).

How much is sent out of the country to fund projects in their own countries and how much is spent here . 8 billion spent here would boost our shops etc.

Opinions please

Doubt he has a clue how much they earn or pay, and why does it matter, if work needs to be done then it gets done and whoever does it pays tax "

What IF then that tax has to be paid out to people living here who are put out of work by migrants.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

and good on them for having the nouse to save their money.....

my mum did that, sent money home to look after my nan and family in the west indies....

is that now wrong? should we have that look distain on when we find out other do it...

when my mum passed... my sister and i took up that mantle and sent money back as and when i can/ we could....

maybe its a discipline that people from poorer countries have to value money, because they know it can go a long way.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wonder who did these jobs before. How we ever become Great Britain before the eu I will never know.

Facts and stats can be what ever you make them to be.

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By *omersetfun15Couple over a year ago

bridgwater

Its quite common here for them to overcrowd properties.we have had instances where they have had 12or more in a small one bed flat of ours when the tenancy agreement is for two.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

i have times when i work abroad for 6 weeks at a time all expences paid for top dollar ..... guess i shouldn't have brought all that money over from italy, spain, greece etc. and spent it here then .....

i'm not sure you've thought this one through properly OP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i have times when i work abroad for 6 weeks at a time all expences paid for top dollar ..... guess i shouldn't have brought all that money over from italy, spain, greece etc. and spent it here then .....

i'm not sure you've thought this one through properly OP "

This is about the uk tho. Not abroad

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

i'm not sure you've thought this one through properly OP

This is about the uk tho. Not abroad "

i live in the uk .... what's your point caller?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

about 70% of workforce where i am is from other eu countries...they are mostly young,live in multiple occupancy places, and send money home. they are certainly not putting anyone out of work. It is very very difficult to survive paying rent with 1 or 2 people in a flat in my area without a very decent wage coming in.i see nothing wrong with younger people travelling and making some money for their furtue while they are happy living a less settled lifestyle than they will want in 10 years time...and while they are here, they are still paying for food,bills etc....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wonder who did these jobs before. How we ever become Great Britain before the eu I will never know.

Facts and stats can be what ever you make them to be.

The number of unemployed people in the uk didn't change from 2003 to 2004, 05 and 06 when Poland joined the EU and thousands came over here. Nobody cared until the financial crisis... funny that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The migrant population paid 2 billion in tax according to osbourne. If true it implies 10 billion was earned (ish).

How much is sent out of the country to fund projects in their own countries and how much is spent here . 8 billion spent here would boost our shops etc.

Opinions please"

Ummm I have a fact for you. Economics isn't a zero sum game where you can isolate one transaction like you are trying to. Do you actually understand how wealth is generated?

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

Guess the op wants capital controls and beige furniture of the 70's back

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Guess the op wants capital controls and beige furniture of the 70's back

And 70's style inflation?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We need a bigger workforce to support our pensioners.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Fuk-me I had no idea so many economists were also swingers..

Good too know.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fuk-me I had no idea so many economists were also swingers..

Good too know.....

If you want to know about economics then the last people you ask are economists!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fuk-me I had no idea so many economists were also swingers..

Good too know.....

If you want to know about economics then the last people you ask are economists!!"

A quick fumble down the back of the sofa tells me everything I need to know,,,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wonder who did these jobs before. How we ever become Great Britain before the eu I will never know.

Facts and stats can be what ever you make them to be.

The number of unemployed people in the uk didn't change from 2003 to 2004, 05 and 06 when Poland joined the EU and thousands came over here. Nobody cared until the financial crisis... funny that "

Funny. During the last recession the Tories gave out unemployment figures nothing like the real figures.

If they put you on worthless courses like the job plan workshop you came off the dole figures.

Funny old game ain't it. Has I said in another post. You can manipulate figures how you want. I'm sure all parties do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fuk-me I had no idea so many economists were also swingers..

Good too know.....

If you want to know about economics then the last people you ask are economists!!

A quick fumble down the back of the sofa tells me everything I need to know,,,

The quote Peter Drucker: "a little more than 100 years ago, the field of economics split into 2, the mainstream became purely analytical and stopped relating economics to the behaviour of people. Economics was a discipline that governed the behaviour of commodities"

In a nut shell, that's why less than 0.1% of full-time employed economists saw 2008 coming.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wonder who did these jobs before. How we ever become Great Britain before the eu I will never know.

Facts and stats can be what ever you make them to be.

The number of unemployed people in the uk didn't change from 2003 to 2004, 05 and 06 when Poland joined the EU and thousands came over here. Nobody cared until the financial crisis... funny that

Funny. During the last recession the Tories gave out unemployment figures nothing like the real figures.

If they put you on worthless courses like the job plan workshop you came off the dole figures.

Funny old game ain't it. Has I said in another post. You can manipulate figures how you want. I'm sure all parties do it. "

So you're saying labour did that in 2004, 05 and 06 when we were in our 'boom' period?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I send all the money I make here back home to help fund Donald Trump's campaign

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Now my brain really hurts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Now my brain really hurts"

Try counting in terms of cider apples instead of money, might make it more relatable for you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Now my brain really hurts

Try counting in terms of cider apples instead of money, might make it more relatable for you"

Nahh, I'm just not firing on all cylinders.

I blame a 4 day party with a millionaire.

Is this some kind of Euro/Brexit thingy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Now my brain really hurts

Try counting in terms of cider apples instead of money, might make it more relatable for you

Nahh, I'm just not firing on all cylinders.

I blame a 4 day party with a millionaire.

Is this some kind of Euro/Brexit thingy?"

Nah its just a bit of: https://youtu.be/toL1tXrLA1c

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"It's their money they can do what the fuck they like with it"

this..

ffs if they were in the pub or the bookies as some 'of our own' are week in week out no doubt there would be some slagging them off for that..

people who work hard are entitled to do with their salary what they wish..

or does that only apply to 'Brits'..?

and those who choose not to have it away to duck tax offshore..?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?"

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact. "

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We need a bigger workforce to support our pensioners. "

what happens when the bigger workforce become pensioners?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on? "

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded? "

economically challenged. Saucy cow.

If you want an answer. The same way has people on benifits I presume.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded? "

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?"

I'm

Not sure what you are asking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?"

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Now my brain really hurts

Try counting in terms of cider apples instead of money, might make it more relatable for you

Nahh, I'm just not firing on all cylinders.

I blame a 4 day party with a millionaire.

Is this some kind of Euro/Brexit thingy?

Nah its just a bit of: https://youtu.be/toL1tXrLA1c"

See, now that I can follow.

Thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

economically challenged. Saucy cow.

If you want an answer. The same way has people on benifits I presume. "

Yup, so if immigrants pay taxes then it's nonsensical to say there aren't enough school and hospital places for them.

Did you ever hear McDonald's complain that they have too many customers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work? "

? No, some would be at school

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school"

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"We need a bigger workforce to support our pensioners.

what happens when the bigger workforce become pensioners?"

The ones everyone on here is complaining about wont be here.

They will have gone home to live in the properties they paid for with the money earned while they were here.

This is one of the flaws in the argument of those against immigration.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We need a bigger workforce to support our pensioners.

what happens when the bigger workforce become pensioners?"
.

I belive the answer is... Ask no questions be told no lies

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?"
no that's an opinion,doesn't make you a bad person believing that,just a wrong one,immigration has kept wages low,put pressure on housing,schools,nhs,not to mention the ridiculous scenario of child benefit being sent to kids living in Poland when there's child poverty,if your so keen on immigrants I would suggest a scheme where for one to come into this country,some one has to leave see how keen you'd all be them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. "

Me and my husband pay taxes. Neither of us are even allowed to claim benefits (and we don't want them). We will both leave well before we become pensioners. And we rarely go to the doctor. Net contributor, I'd say.

But I'm taking my money with me when I leave and I don't feel bad about that one bit.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"The migrant population paid 2 billion in tax according to osbourne. If true it implies 10 billion was earned (ish).

How much is sent out of the country to fund projects in their own countries and how much is spent here . 8 billion spent here would boost our shops etc.

Opinions please"

Why are tax questions always about the pittance migrants pay and take out of our economy rather than the trillion plus that multinationals and the super rich transfer out of economy just to bury in useless offshore hoards?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. "
.

So is that providing, they live in squalor, don't use the health, don't have kids, don't use cars or public transport....

What your actually saying is slavery is good because all slaves are net contributors!!.

Or are you saying that use all the same stuff everybody else does, live life's like everybody else in which case they're net detractors like all the rest of us??. In which case we need as little immigration and maximum emigration as possible

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. .

So is that providing, they live in squalor, don't use the health, don't have kids, don't use cars or public transport....

What your actually saying is slavery is good because all slaves are net contributors!!.

Is that green party policy now?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?no that's an opinion,doesn't make you a bad person believing that,just a wrong one,immigration has kept wages low,put pressure on housing,schools,nhs,not to mention the ridiculous scenario of child benefit being sent to kids living in Poland when there's child poverty,if your so keen on immigrants I would suggest a scheme where for one to come into this country,some one has to leave see how keen you'd all be them "

Again, the idea that too many tax payers are using the NHS and our schools is laugh out loud fuzzy logic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. "

an undeniable fact. certainly the industry i work in would grind to a complete halt if it were not for EU migrant labour, and its far far from the only one.

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By *rixieswTV/TS over a year ago

S.Westerly

To all of the Brexiteers out there? I really hope if ever the day comes that you experience true need through no fault of your own, you are treated by people with a different mindset to your own. All of the ill informed comments and statements made just suck of I'm alright Jack and screw the rest of you.

Facts are in short supply but our true cost to remain is approx. £2.50 per person per week. Do you really wish to gamble our financial stability, trading with Europe and ultimately our national security? All to save less than the price of a drink per week! Seriously! Stay in shout scream and change it... BUT STAY IN.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

economically challenged. Saucy cow.

If you want an answer. The same way has people on benifits I presume.

Yup, so if immigrants pay taxes then it's nonsensical to say there aren't enough school and hospital places for them.

Did you ever hear McDonald's complain that they have too many customers? "

What a stupid comparison.

I'm not going to pry in to your private life but kids are being shipped out the borough for school. Doctors are rammed. Council houses are non existent. But don't fear. Dave , Gideon Jeremy and all their mates are doing fine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. .

So is that providing, they live in squalor, don't use the health, don't have kids, don't use cars or public transport....

What your actually saying is slavery is good because all slaves are net contributors!!.

Is that green party policy now? "
.

Well if your claiming ones a net gain and ones a net loss then there must be a reason for this, either immigrants are a net gain from using less or being payed more?.

Or are you relying on them never aging, never staying, never using services?.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To all of the Brexiteers out there? I really hope if ever the day comes that you experience true need through no fault of your own, you are treated by people with a different mindset to your own. All of the ill informed comments and statements made just suck of I'm alright Jack and screw the rest of you.

You ever played cricket. You would make a great spinner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

economically challenged. Saucy cow.

If you want an answer. The same way has people on benifits I presume.

Yup, so if immigrants pay taxes then it's nonsensical to say there aren't enough school and hospital places for them.

Did you ever hear McDonald's complain that they have too many customers?

What a stupid comparison.

There is no finite number of doctors, schools or council houses, not one that we are close to anyway. If they are in shortage it's because of bad planning or the tax rate wasn't set properly. Given our taxes are higher or comparable to other countries with similar services I'd expect it's more the former than the latter. Neither of which are the fault of immigrants.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I sort of agree but you can't just turn round and say it's NOTHING to do with them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact. "

You have the figures to prove this , fact ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sort of agree but you can't just turn round and say it's NOTHING to do with them. "

If there's weakness in the system then yes a sudden change is going to highlight that weakness. But I believe in solving problems at their source and not sticking a plaster over a broken leg.

I have alot of respect for front line workers in the NHS and other public services. But that doesn't change the fact that they are badly managed, poorly organised and their funding is dysfunctional. Getting rid of immigrants won't fix those problems and the system would just break again at a later point because it's fundamentally flawed.

I'm glad they are highlighting the weaknesses of the system because it's the only way anything gets fixed in this country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sort of agree but you can't just turn round and say it's NOTHING to do with them.

If there's weakness in the system then yes a sudden change is going to highlight that weakness. But I believe in solving problems at their source and not sticking a plaster over a broken leg.

I'm glad they are highlighting the weaknesses of the system because it's the only way anything gets fixed in this country. "

I know personally how bad the NHS is run. ( not from a patient veiw) I also believe it is getting run in to the ground and in the next 20 years it won't exist like it does now. I honestly believe we will be paying at the point of entry ASAP.

But to turn round like people do and say all foreign nationals work is putting a plaster over many of our financial problems.

One things for sure. Any government can't substain the influx but can't highlight any problems because they know it will mean people will want to leave the euro gravy train.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. .

So is that providing, they live in squalor, don't use the health, don't have kids, don't use cars or public transport....

What your actually saying is slavery is good because all slaves are net contributors!!.

I'm not sure how else I can put this.

You said "so what your saying is blah, blah, blah"

No. What I was saying was exactley what I said. You have his odd habit of re-phrasing whatever someone says into something you disagree with and hen segueing against it!!!

You do it time and time again as though you know you can't argue the point that was made so need to embellish it in order that you can argue it.

I'm always very happy to debate but for Christ sake, at least debate what was said, not your own ramblings. You can do that on your own without taking up any of my time or attention!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I sort of agree but you can't just turn round and say it's NOTHING to do with them.

If there's weakness in the system then yes a sudden change is going to highlight that weakness. But I believe in solving problems at their source and not sticking a plaster over a broken leg.

I'm glad they are highlighting the weaknesses of the system because it's the only way anything gets fixed in this country.

But to turn round like people do and say all foreign nationals work is putting a plaster over many of our financial problems.

One things for sure. Any government can't substain the influx but can't highlight any problems because they know it will mean people will want to leave the euro gravy train. "

I don't work in heath care so I don't know what exactly is so complicated about setting taxes at a rate that covers the cost of providing a service. It's not something that vast majority of businesses struggle with.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We need a bigger workforce to support our pensioners.

what happens when the bigger workforce become pensioners?

The ones everyone on here is complaining about wont be here.

They will have gone home to live in the properties they paid for with the money earned while they were here.

This is one of the flaws in the argument of those against immigration. "

and where will their pensions come from when they 'go home'? And who is looking after the pensioners in their own country while they are here?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people... "

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

You have the figures to prove this , fact ?"

You've got Google, knock yourself out!

Remember, don't just read the articles written by those you know agree with you.

Read a broad and varied selection of information from as many independent sources as possible and drawer your own conclusions.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

The most obvious factory that most choose to ignore is that by the time the average non immigrant pays their first penny in tax they are already massively in debt to the exchequer having been born and educated here.

They will spend half their life paying that back and the other half paying for the expenditure the will incur when they stop working.

And for the average person, they will barely break even, in fact, the reason we are in financial deficit as a nation is because the average person pays in less than they take out.

I migrant however does not carry that burden when they arrive and will almost certainly not inflict that burden when they retire.

For the duration of their stay they will be no different from any other non migrant with the same personal circumstances as they have but without the huge deficit caused by their ore and post work life. This stuff is not rocket science.

I accept that I have hugely simplified this example, but it's still factual and accurate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The most obvious factory that most choose to ignore is that by the time the average non immigrant pays their first penny in tax they are already massively in debt to the exchequer having been born and educated here.

They will spend half their life paying that back and the other half paying for the expenditure the will incur when they stop working.

And for the average person, they will barely break even, in fact, the reason we are in financial deficit as a nation is because the average person pays in less than they take out.

I migrant however does not carry that burden when they arrive and will almost certainly not inflict that burden when they retire.

I accept that I have hugely simplified this example, but it's still factual and accurate. "

of course, immigrants do not have children or use public services and return to their home countries when they are no longer useful to the UK economy. Do you live in cloud cuckoo land? And will you answer the question as to where they get their pensions from and who looks after them when they return to their country of origin?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?"

But we're talking about an average here. Of course a low paid worker with a large family isn't going to be a net contributor but lots of immigrants are young, childless people that barely use any public services. What does a healthy, childless person in their 20's really use that isn't paid for out of council tax? The fact is that immigrants are, on average, net contributors.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take"

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

State pension is contributions based

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take"

One minute they're all working for the minimum wage and not paying any tax then the next they're suppressing wages and reducing the tax yield, which is it cause it can't be both?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth? "

It makes no sense that the more people earn the more tax they will pay? Sorry, you've lost me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

One minute they're all working for the minimum wage and not paying any tax then the next they're suppressing wages and reducing the tax yield, which is it cause it can't be both?"

of course its both

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

One minute they're all working for the minimum wage and not paying any tax then the next they're suppressing wages and reducing the tax yield, which is it cause it can't be both?

of course its both"

How?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth?

It makes no sense that the more people earn the more tax they will pay? Sorry, you've lost me"

It's the difference between what's happening to an individual and what's happening at the level of the economy.

Money is just an exchange mechanism and it's only important value is its relative one. When supply and demand factors change the market rate of the average wages of one job, the forgone wages do not vanish from the economy!! It gets reallocated somewhere else. This is the basic process of creative destruction which drives producivity, which is the only long term driver of increased wealth. Raising prices without raising producivity just creates inflation, which doesn't increase wealth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

State pension is contributions based"

yes I know but the person above doesn"t seem to understand that and seems to think once they have served their purpose here thats that. And how many years will they have to work here to get a decent amount bearing in mind they won't have been paying in their own country

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

But how do you suppress wages below the minimum wage?

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

State pension is contributions based

Is that you showing your caring side?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth?

It makes no sense that the more people earn the more tax they will pay? Sorry, you've lost me

It's the difference between what's happening to an individual and what's happening at the level of the economy.

what the bloody hell have you been reading?

So why is inflation a good thing?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

They will spend half their life paying that back and the other half paying for the expenditure the will incur when they stop working.

And for the average person, they will barely break even, in fact, the reason we are in financial deficit as a nation is because the average person pays in less than they take out.

I migrant however does not carry that burden when they arrive and will almost certainly not inflict that burden when they retire.

I accept that I have hugely simplified this example, but it's still factual and accurate.

Of course some have children and use public services. Obviously.

But the comparison with non migrants still stands. A migrant will take the same out of the stream as the non migrant BUT will not have previously incurred the costs that the non migrant did. It's pretty simple.

As for the pension question, google it. What ask me for info that is public knowledge?

A person who worked in several EU countries can apply for the pension relevant to their contributions in the country they payed tax and NI stamp in. So they pay for their own pension. Just like the rest of us.

But those that return to their home country will only be a burden on the services in that country during their old age. Makes sense?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth?

It makes no sense that the more people earn the more tax they will pay? Sorry, you've lost me

It's the difference between what's happening to an individual and what's happening at the level of the economy.

what the bloody hell have you been reading?

So why is inflation a good thing?"

It's not (except for a little bit to stop people hoarding wealth)! We want to increase wealth, not arbitrary currency values.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth?

It makes no sense that the more people earn the more tax they will pay? Sorry, you've lost me

It's the difference between what's happening to an individual and what's happening at the level of the economy.

what the bloody hell have you been reading?

So why is inflation a good thing?"

I find Peter Drucker and Joseph Schumoeter the best on this subject...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. .

So is that providing, they live in squalor, don't use the health, don't have kids, don't use cars or public transport....

What your actually saying is slavery is good because all slaves are net contributors!!.

I'm not sure how else I can put this.

You said "so what your saying is blah, blah, blah"

No. What I was saying was exactley what I said. You have his odd habit of re-phrasing whatever someone says into something you disagree with and hen segueing against it!!!

You do it time and time again as though you know you can't argue the point that was made so need to embellish it in order that you can argue it.

I'm always very happy to debate but for Christ sake, at least debate what was said, not your own ramblings. You can do that on your own without taking up any of my time or attention!!!"
.

Look your the one who's come up with bullshit statements like net contributors and detractors!.

I'm questioning you on it... You admit yourself that only applies because your adding on pre and post wage costs... So I'm questioning your morality of letting somebody else pay for what your using. Your whole statement implies were getting something for nothing from immigration, I'm saying your not and even if we did it's not morally right, that was my point about slavery, they were all net contributors... It don't make it a good thing!.

What annoys me about all these threads and everybody's contribution is nobody is bloody honest.

You wrap up all immigration figures together to show one thing but you could split them up to show another ie the highest earning immigrants come from the USA, Australia and India(ones we actually don't have that much immigration from while the countries we have shit loads of immigrants from like Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Latvia, Czech republic have the lowest earnings!.

So we need nurses and we need to import them...i get it, honestly I do but let's not bullshit on it being something were making a killing on!.

I get the argument about the cost of EU membership being actually worth it, I get the argument that membership only actually costs £2:50 a week but then I also get the argument that net immigration at best only makes you 20p a week and I can choose perfectly well whether I deem it "worth the cost" or not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We need a bigger workforce to support our pensioners.

what happens when the bigger workforce become pensioners?"

They'll all be living back home by then and we won't have a pension by then anyway. The aged will be picking onions for a bit of leccy money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

State pension is contributions based

Is that you showing your caring side?"

I'm always showing my caring side

thats why I care about this not just for the people already in the UK but for the people who feel the need to or have to leave their homes, friends and families to come and work here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The average inmigrant is a net contributer.

The average non immigrant is a net detractor.

That's a simple fact. .

So is that providing, they live in squalor, don't use the health, don't have kids, don't use cars or public transport....

What your actually saying is slavery is good because all slaves are net contributors!!.

I'm not sure how else I can put this.

You said "so what your saying is blah, blah, blah"

No. What I was saying was exactley what I said. You have his odd habit of re-phrasing whatever someone says into something you disagree with and hen segueing against it!!!

You do it time and time again as though you know you can't argue the point that was made so need to embellish it in order that you can argue it.

I'm always very happy to debate but for Christ sake, at least debate what was said, not your own ramblings. You can do that on your own without taking up any of my time or attention!!!.

Look your the one who's come up with bullshit statements like net contributors and detractors!.

What annoys me about all these threads and everybody's contribution is nobody is bloody honest.

So we need nurses and we need to import them...i get it, honestly I do but let's not bullshit on it being something were making a killing on!.

I think there's confusion between net tax contributors and net wealth contributors here. In a progressive tax system then there will be a smaller group of high tax payers who could argue that most other people are net debtors to their tax contribution. But tax is just one part of the economy and the financial market value of a good or service (which is what GDP measures) has a weak correlation with actual wealth.

I hope a team of scientists will come up with a cure for cancer. The wealth generated from that discovery will be enormous. Salaries in research are reasonable but nothing incredible so the tax contribution of those people won't be anything to write home about.

Bankers pay a lot of income tax but a lot of what they do is move money from A to B which creates some wealth but nowhere near as much as the GDP figures would suggest.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

I'm sure they don't need your sympathy and are quite happy to travel for a higher salary, as have previous generations for hundreds of years

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth?

It makes no sense that the more people earn the more tax they will pay? Sorry, you've lost me

It's the difference between what's happening to an individual and what's happening at the level of the economy.

That sounds good in principle however the UK has been losing productivity for ten years now while having large scale immigration, in fact we've been warned several times by the head of the bank of international settlements about our collapsing productivity rates, now if you throw business the bone of cheap labour,free money and free trade it doesn't make them more competitive or productive, in fact it makes them lazy, business managed the huge labour movements to higher wages and social welfare from the 20s and 30s by improving productivity.

Free markets are wonderful things but the UK hasn't been one for decades? And being honest immigration has always been used for manipulating markets not leveling them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Financially. We are much better off with immigrants. This is an unarguable fact. So what's the problem?

I'm still amazed at the amount of people who don't understand this simple fact.

If all the immigrants left then who would we blame our problems on?

I assume you mean uncontrolled immigration.

Problems like ?

Housing mmmm problem eased

Doctors mmmmm problem eased

Schools mmmmm problem eased

Hospitals mmmmm problem eased

What other problems were you thinking about.

Here's a thought for the economically challenged, how are schools and hospitals funded?

how does a family of 4 with just one working for minimum wage cover the cost of school places or hospital treatment?

You think that on average, just one in four immigrants work?

? No, some would be at school

Your question doesn't make any sense then. On average, immigrants are net contributors to the economy. Unlike several groups of British people...

sorry, didn"t have time to answer or make it clear, but an average worker on minimum wage pays hardly any or zero direct tax. So how can you pay for schools and hospitals with that?

Unless they are suppressing wages and therefore the tax take

In economics that statement makes absolutely no sense. What do you think creates wealth?

It makes no sense that the more people earn the more tax they will pay? Sorry, you've lost me

It's the difference between what's happening to an individual and what's happening at the level of the economy.

Free markets are wonderful things but the UK hasn't been one for decades? And being honest immigration has always been used for manipulating markets not leveling them"

I agreed with so much of that except the first line. Economists / banks don't even understand what productivity is. They measure GDP per worker which is pure silliness. That's like trying to measure how fast a car goes with temperature.

It's actually pretty hard to reduce producivity, it usually takes a heavy dose of communism to do so. Productivity is still rising from technologies that were invented decades ago, not least of all, the interweb.

That said, our productivity could be a lot better but fuck me is it better than most of western europe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sure they don't need your sympathy and are quite happy to travel for a higher salary, as have previous generations for hundreds of years "

I'm sure you know them all. But I'm sure they'd prefer not to have to travel for a higher salary

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sure they don't need your sympathy and are quite happy to travel for a higher salary, as have previous generations for hundreds of years

I'm sure you know them all. But I'm sure they'd prefer not to have to travel for a higher salary"

Hooray, something we agree on!

That's why I find it ironic when people say we should stop immigration and cut the foreign aid budget. Actually, if their home countries weren't veritable armpits then most people prefer to live in the country they were born in.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i could then ask since this turned into a bit of an immigrant bashing session.. what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat.....

after all... aren't expats basically taking their uk money and spending it in other countries......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i could then ask since this turned into a bit of an immigrant bashing session.. what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat.....

after all... aren't expats basically taking their uk money and spending it in other countries......

Really? I would have said it was turning into economics debate. Which does tend to happen when me and doors are both bored at work.

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By *andemanMan over a year ago

bedforshire

Ok the folk who say its there money let them do with it what they want. Yep thats why they URNED it.

Send it home good disapline. Yep sounds like savings.

Overloading schools and hospitals. Nope they are keeping them going by staffing them.

Contibute more than take out. yep and we only are looking at tax what about rent and food and travel and the pub?

They overcrowd accomidation 12 to a room. Well maybe some but so how does that denie homes to brits? Seams very considerate on that front.

The EU debate is not about imagrents. It is a distraction to keep us from asking where the £120 billion in dodged tax every year is going,and how do we get it back!

Much of it in Luxenborg and with EU tax laws could be forced back if a Goverment bothered.

So if you were a rich Tory Minister or ex-city type might you like to see the door closed before someone realises that your stash is volnerable?

BREXIT is a TAX Dodge! Nothing to do with inecent hard working folk. Some of whom are very hot and like to swing!

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

" So I'm questioning your morality of letting somebody else pay for what your using. Your whole statement implies were getting something for nothing from immigration, I'm saying your not and even if we did it's not morally right, that was my point about slavery, they were all net contributors... It don't make it a good thing!.

I can't quite believe that a corner stone of your argument against economic migration is that by them being net contributors(which they are) we are taking advantage of them.

Yes, yes we are. And that's great thing cos they are willing participants in that arrangement and thats a good thing.

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"i could then ask since this turned into a bit of an immigrant bashing session.. what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat.....

after all... aren't expats basically taking their uk money and spending it in other countries......

Don't go bringing common sense arguments into this thread, it's made it this far without any.

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By *rank_SimoneCouple over a year ago

Bideford

Its makes me laugh when the Leave Campaign say immigration is a problem we cannot control.

Well immigration from the EU only accounts for 45% of the total immigration to these shores. So we have total control of over 50% of the immigration but choose not to. So why would that change if we were to leave the EU, it won't as we need them.

Comments about using the NHS don't wash either, as if it wasn't for immigrants we wouldn't have a NHS, as a very high percentage of the Doctors, Nurses and Auxiliary staff come from outside the UK.

Also as a footnote 50% of the total immigration migrant to outside the UK. So net immigration is only 50% of the totals being branded about.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

and good on them for having the nouse to save their money.....

my mum did that, sent money home to look after my nan and family in the west indies....

is that now wrong? should we have that look distain on when we find out other do it...

when my mum passed... my sister and i took up that mantle and sent money back as and when i can/ we could....

maybe its a discipline that people from poorer countries have to value money, because they know it can go a long way.....

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"i could then ask since this turned into a bit of an immigrant bashing session.. what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat.....

after all... aren't expats basically taking their uk money and spending it in other countries......

"
tut tut Fabio Brits have the right to be immigrants in any country they wish ( well in their minds they do ) but no one should immigrate to the motherland .( in their minds ) ..

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"i could then ask since this turned into a bit of an immigrant bashing session.. what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat.....

after all... aren't expats basically taking their uk money and spending it in other countries......

tut tut Fabio Brits have the right to be immigrants in any country they wish ( well in their minds they do ) but no one should immigrate to the motherland .( in their minds ) .."

my god... i killed the thread with one simple question.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i could then ask since this turned into a bit of an immigrant bashing session.. what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat.....

after all... aren't expats basically taking their uk money and spending it in other countries......

tut tut Fabio Brits have the right to be immigrants in any country they wish ( well in their minds they do ) but no one should immigrate to the motherland .( in their minds ) ..

my god... i killed the thread with one simple question.....

you underestimate your great wisdom and might!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i could then ask since this turned into a bit of an immigrant bashing session.. what is the difference between and immigrant and an ex-pat.....

after all... aren't expats basically taking their uk money and spending it in other countries......

tut tut Fabio Brits have the right to be immigrants in any country they wish ( well in their minds they do ) but no one should immigrate to the motherland .( in their minds ) ..

my god... i killed the thread with one simple question.....

Yep your right . All our old men and women pensioners in say Spain shout racism like you always do. Spain then bow down to them and change laws so the Spanish feellike second class citizens in some towns.

Well played mate. Play the race card. You normally do.

Immigrant bashing. What bollocks

Called reality.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the thing is , that would be true if they where new jobs created,

but the are not,

the jobs where there before we had the influx of eastern Europeans.

effectively creating a surplus in the work force thus keeping wages down,

don't lame the people coming over to do the work, I would do the same in there position, got to blame the politicians for crating the situation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its makes me laugh when the Leave Campaign say immigration is a problem we cannot control.

Comments about using the NHS don't wash either, as if it wasn't for immigrants we wouldn't have a NHS, as a very high percentage of the Doctors, Nurses and Auxiliary staff come from outside the UK.

Also as a footnote 50% of the total immigration migrant to outside the UK. So net immigration is only 50% of the totals being branded about. "

More stats. They remain are doing well with their stats.

They did an election broadcast earlier. They then left it right to the end and stated that if we leave we will be £4300 worse off. Every single family on this country not £100. Not £250 not even £500

£4300. But not one mention how.

Has for the NHS like our building trade.

How the hell this survived for all my life my mum and dads and my old aunties and uncles lives I will never know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"the thing is , that would be true if they where new jobs created,

but the are not,

the jobs where there before we had the influx of eastern Europeans.

effectively creating a surplus in the work force thus keeping wages down,

don't lame the people coming over to do the work, I would do the same in there position, got to blame the politicians for crating the situation."

I don't think people like myself blame the immigrants at all. I'm sure there are some that do.

I agree it is the government and the EU that are to blame.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I don't think people like myself blame the immigrants at all. I'm sure there are some that do.

I agree it is the government and the EU that are to blame. "

so again.... whats the difference between an immigrant and an ex-pat?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think people like myself blame the immigrants at all. I'm sure there are some that do.

I agree it is the government and the EU that are to blame.

so again.... whats the difference between an immigrant and an ex-pat?"
.

The main difference is ex pats tend not to live five to a room, while importing all their fags and booze from the UK.

See I don't think people dislike immigrants, they dislike the unfairness between working structures.... It's easy to say it's all about racism or xenophobia(yes some are) but the reality for most, it's about unfair competition and the lowering of living standards, so you say, immigrants come here and are happy to work 60hrs a week, that's a plus for business but for workers that's a negative, that action now means they've got to show willing... So you get pressure on hours, wage rates, conditions.

I mean let's not beat about the bush, if we were inundated with 100k a year computer programmers, I doubt anybody would be complaining

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think people like myself blame the immigrants at all. I'm sure there are some that do.

I agree it is the government and the EU that are to blame.

so again.... whats the difference between an immigrant and an ex-pat?"
.

The main difference is ex pats tend not to live five to a room, while importing all their fags and booze from the UK.

I mean let's not beat about the bush, if we were inundated with 100k a year computer programmers, I doubt anybody would be complaining

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think people like myself blame the immigrants at all. I'm sure there are some that do.

I agree it is the government and the EU that are to blame.

so again.... whats the difference between an immigrant and an ex-pat?"

Depends on lots of things. Most Uk ex pats for example will probably have worked all their lives in the UK and spent their money in the UK. On retirement they might choose to take their money abroad and spend it there. So? It is their money and in a way they are helping the economies they move to, helping to create jobs, not taking them. How many EU nationals come to the UK simply to retire and bring their money? Many? And any argument that older people take money out of health services in other countries is nonsense because it is claimed back from the NHS. As for working age people there is no difference but you will find it extremely difficult to find work in another EU country unless you have a particular skill or talent that is needed, or unless you are willing to work for less than a local. That is not racist that is the reality. Why not try it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remember people unless you are a higher rate taxpayer you get more out of the U.K. Than you put in.

Fact

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember people unless you are a higher rate taxpayer you get more out of the U.K. Than you put in.

Fact "

Depends at which point of your life. As a 30 year old without children abso-fucking-lutely not

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"As for working age people there is no difference but you will find it extremely difficult to find work in another EU country unless you have a particular skill or talent that is needed, or unless you are willing to work for less than a local. That is not racist that is the reality. Why not try it?"

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember people unless you are a higher rate taxpayer you get more out of the U.K. Than you put in.

Fact "
.

Monetary wise, yes.

As a societal point probably not!.

See higher rate earners enjoy something in the UK they rarely get anywhere else, they get a well rounded community on the whole, you look around the world and the wealthy actually have a terrible living standard, sure they have a nice house and a nice car, but they get that here, the difference is here most wealthy people live quite freely, no gated communities needed, no armour plated limousines, no security staff.

The honest answer is I'm sat in my back garden typing away on my phone with my back door wide open, that's actually not an option for most wealthy people in the world, they have to lock doors constantly and put the alarm on when they go to bed because there's a massive have and have not split!.

So no I'm not jealous, there's no politics of envy on my part, I'm the first to admit they have great advantages but they also have all the problems that come with it!.

See one of the problems I see with these threads is everything is always about Monterey value but rarely about quality of life... The two always seem interlinked but sometimes there's more to it than just money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't quite believe that a corner stone of your argument against economic migration is that by them being net contributors(which they are) we are taking advantage of them.

Yes, yes we are. And that's great thing cos they are willing participants in that arrangement and thats a good thing. "
.

Willing??? Jesus your deluded, nobody wants to work 80 hrs a week for £7:35 an hour, your taking people from abject poverty and then saying hey these people are proposing with poverty and five to a room living standards... It's a win win situation...

Now I may be putting words into your mouth again... I'm which case, hell I'm sorry but the fact remains your not getting something for nothing despite your statistics claiming otherwise!

If it were remotely true what you were saying, there'd be no borders anywhere in the world, Australia wouldn't have any immigration policy and there'd welcome as many people as possible because they would be making money hand over fist...

They don't because it's just not true that immigration pays for itself in the long term, yes you can pay to bring in nurses, doctors and farm labourers but sooner or later it costs you, now that might be a cost worth paying and it might be a cost to far but some honesty is required about it

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

"Remember people unless you are a higher rate taxpayer you get more out of the U.K. Than you put in.

Fact

Depends at which point of your life. As a 30 year old without children abso-fucking-lutely not "

As a 30yr old without children you are still in a massive deficit as a result of the medical costs and education you received as a child.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox"

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain"

I work all around the world, no more or no less hassle working in Houston, to working in Malaysia to working in Cadiz - Spain,

If you work for a good corporation they ensure all work visa's and paperwork is in place just pick up your ticket and go

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember people unless you are a higher rate taxpayer you get more out of the U.K. Than you put in.

Fact

Depends at which point of your life. As a 30 year old without children abso-fucking-lutely not

As a 30yr old without children you are still in a massive deficit as a result of the medical costs and education you received as a child. "

Indeed + defence + police + fire + transport + a dozen things

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain

I work all around the world, no more or no less hassle working in Houston, to working in Malaysia to working in Cadiz - Spain,

If you work for a good corporation they ensure all work visa's and paperwork is in place just pick up your ticket and go"

that is not the same as turning up in those countries and applying for a job though is it?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

I've got a few friends who do various jobs ranging from technical to unskilled around the EU and they were in the same boat (no pun intended) as any migrant coming here.

They turned up for an interview and if they were the most suitable candidate, they got the job. If not they kept looking.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain"

duh! you turn up in aformentioned EU country and start working for the going rate ...... i've done it dozens of times

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've got a few friends who do various jobs ranging from technical to unskilled around the EU and they were in the same boat (no pun intended) as any migrant coming here.

They turned up for an interview and if they were the most suitable candidate, they got the job. If not they kept looking. "

If they are the most suitable then yes they will but what does most suitable mean? Were they all able to speak the host nations language fluently or was the employer lookimg for English speakers in those roles etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain

duh! you turn up in aformentioned EU country and start working for the going rate ...... i've done it dozens of times "

doing what?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain

duh! you turn up in aformentioned EU country and start working for the going rate ...... i've done it dozens of times

doing what?"

working

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain

duh! you turn up in aformentioned EU country and start working for the going rate ...... i've done it dozens of times

doing what?

working

and you accuse me of talking bollox

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain

duh! you turn up in aformentioned EU country and start working for the going rate ...... i've done it dozens of times

doing what?

working

and you accuse me of talking bollox

not an accusation .... i stated a point of fact that you were talking bollox

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have ... and i confirm that what you said there is utter bollox

So have I and maybe you could entertain us with your utter bollox then? Explain

duh! you turn up in aformentioned EU country and start working for the going rate ...... i've done it dozens of times

doing what?

working

and you accuse me of talking bollox

not an accusation .... i stated a point of fact that you were talking bollox"

well maybe you could tell us what kind of work you've done and the processes and requirements needed to legally get those jobs?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

turn up .... ask if there's a job .... if there is, show passport .... start work

sometimes through agency (yes they even have those in moldova), sometimes not ...

pushing pallet trucks of flowers round a warehouse in amsterdam, farm labouring, waiting on, renting out scooters, renting out sunbeds, palm tree cutting etc etc etc ...... and in every job i've been paid at least the same as my colleagues ..... so yes you are talking big bulbous bollocks!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"turn up .... ask if there's a job .... if there is, show passport .... start work

sometimes through agency (yes they even have those in moldova), sometimes not ...

show passport start work bollox

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"turn up .... ask if there's a job .... if there is, show passport .... start work

sometimes through agency (yes they even have those in moldova), sometimes not ...

show passport start work bollox"

you're clutching at straws now flower ... are you having your period or summut?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"turn up .... ask if there's a job .... if there is, show passport .... start work

sometimes through agency (yes they even have those in moldova), sometimes not ...

show passport start work bollox

you're clutching at straws now flower ... are you having your period or summut?"

so how many NI numbers do you have?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"would the ecb not be happy for 8 billion to be spent in the EU rather than here.

Not that the ecb has any monies or experts. the ex head of the failed ecb is now running the imf and is up on charges in France."

This is why the ECB, IMF etc want us to STAY in the EU....we are funding huge amounts of stuff in other countries with the money leaching OUT of the UK.

The remain campaign can't have it BOTH ways tho.... They also tell us the majority of EU workers are in low paid jobs that Brits don't want,,,. If that's the case then they are paying sod all (if any) tax...but probably getting tax credits, using facilities etc. and making no nett contribution.

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

"The 8 billion is per year after tax.

where do they spend it or is it sent home ?"

If they live here, it is spent in shops, on housing etc like the rest of us. "They" are doing work others would not do.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"turn up .... ask if there's a job .... if there is, show passport .... start work

sometimes through agency (yes they even have those in moldova), sometimes not ...

show passport start work bollox

you're clutching at straws now flower ... are you having your period or summut?

so how many NI numbers do you have?"

ooo now let me see .... a spanish one, a dutch one, a greek one, a french one of course, a portuguese one, i didn't bother with getting the italian one coz i was getting cash in hand,the others didn't seem to be arsed about NI numbers .... oh and a swiss one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"turn up .... ask if there's a job .... if there is, show passport .... start work

sometimes through agency (yes they even have those in moldova), sometimes not ...

show passport start work bollox

you're clutching at straws now flower ... are you having your period or summut?

so how many NI numbers do you have?

then you will know that its not just a case of showing passport and starting work. Out of curiosity, how many languages do you speak?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

""then you will know that its not just a case of showing passport and starting work. "

yes it is .... but then you wouldn't know coz you clearly aint tried it

"Out of curiosity, how many languages do you speak?"

basic get you by abroad 7 including hindi ..... english and cymraeg as well obviously

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"turn up .... ask if there's a job .... if there is, show passport .... start work

sometimes through agency (yes they even have those in moldova), sometimes not ...

show passport start work bollox

you're clutching at straws now flower ... are you having your period or summut?

so how many NI numbers do you have?

interesting read, but then again all fairly shit jobs, do we really want to fight to keep these positions

Australia has the right idea to immigration and work ethics and we should follow suit

even if that means we can no longer hop over to France or Spain to further our caree as a bar tender or indeed mop up floods in France

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

""then you will know that its not just a case of showing passport and starting work.

yes it is .... but then you wouldn't know coz you clearly aint tried it

Out of curiosity, how many languages do you speak?

basic get you by abroad 7 including hindi ..... english and cymraeg as well obviously"

I have tried it and in Spain for example if you are working for more than three months you have to apply for a Residencia at the office of Extranjeros or at a police station, which is a not the same as just turning up.

And I congratulate you on your ability to speak other languages which has obviously helped you to get work, you obviously have a special skill or talent which is what I said in the original post

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"interesting read, but then again all fairly shit jobs,"

that was the whole point of my initial response to the statement by the right wing extremists notion that it was impossible to get an unskilled job in the EU unless you got paid less than locals.

i have also worked in the EU as an industrial/commercial electrician since i got qualified in 2010.

i've also toured abroad as a musician too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Right wing extremist. LMFAO

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Remember people unless you are a higher rate taxpayer you get more out of the U.K. Than you put in.

Fact

Depends at which point of your life. As a 30 year old without children abso-fucking-lutely not

As a 30yr old without children you are still in a massive deficit as a result of the medical costs and education you received as a child.

Indeed + defence + police + fire + transport + a dozen things

Doubt it, didn't use the state education system. Don't use state dentists either. Yeah I had a few injections as a child but never really been sick and i've also been working for 9 years+ and earn above average so have paid plenty of tax back. BBC had a calculator online a few months ago and it said I was a net contributor.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

The fact is we now have a "living wage" that is the minimum that an employer can legally pay so how are people coming from abroad taking jobs from brits? Of course because the brits wont do these jobs because they are deemed to be shit and are often quite hard work, well guys these jobs need doing and as an employer in the past getting the brits to do these jobs was a nightmare at times so gave up and downsized so I employee contractors if I need extra help now,it always amuses me when people say bar jobs/cleaning/picking veg etc are "shit" jobs well in my view they are far more important than some bloody pen pushing banker/bureaucrat jobs worth that we are over run with. Of course there some some lazy immigrants that come over for an easy life but we have plenty home grown ones too, if someone comes here works hard long hours then good on them and if they take your job then look at yourself, they arent/cant legally do it for less money.

Immigration needs regulating of course to ensure those than come contribute but that is not the reason I will vote out

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By *hilltoofarMan over a year ago

Bournemouth

It does seem that British people look down on certain types of jobs as beneath them and yet they are happy to sit around and enjoy collecting benefits instead! Of course if anyone mentions cutting those benefits then they are accused of putting people in poverty! Perhaps we need to pass a few new employment laws to make people take work rather than sit on their backsides? Oh sorry, no we cannot as that would be against their human rights! Another ridiculous EU piece of legislation that our Parliament is subject to and cannot overrule.

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By *B9 QueenWoman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"It does seem that British people look down on certain types of jobs as beneath them and yet they are happy to sit around and enjoy collecting benefits instead! Of course if anyone mentions cutting those benefits then they are accused of putting people in poverty! Perhaps we need to pass a few new employment laws to make people take work rather than sit on their backsides? Oh sorry, no we cannot as that would be against their human rights! Another ridiculous EU piece of legislation that our Parliament is subject to and cannot overrule. "

I think you'll find that's already happening. No need for legislation.

Furthermore, human rights are a little more complicated than that and extremely necessary.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

""then you will know that its not just a case of showing passport and starting work.

yes it is .... but then you wouldn't know coz you clearly aint tried it

ahhhh .... you're talking about what you have to do when you buy a house ..... completely different thing.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

anyway .... as i said i've done it so it disproves the bollox you spoke earlier

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