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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. " Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. " Are you a parent? | |||
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"Been done already." Yeah, let's let this one go now. R.i.p to the poor gorilla, and luckily nothing happened to the kid. Lessons have been learnt. Now let's get some kip. Night folks.x  | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. Are you a parent?" Why does that matter? Im not a policemen but I know letting a criminal go is doing a shit job. I'm not a footballer but I know an own goal is doing a shit job. Letting a toddler fall into a gorilla's enclosure is doing a shit job. | |||
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"I am glad that the child survived, of course, and having raised 2 children who didn't fall into an animal enclosure, then I also doubt the parental abilities of those who can not manage this...." Congratulations, you've passed the extremely low bar of not letting a child fall into an animal's enclosure. You're now perfect at parenting. | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. Are you a parent? Why does that matter? Im not a policemen but I know letting a criminal go is doing a shit job. I'm not a footballer but I know an own goal is doing a shit job. Letting a toddler fall into a gorilla's enclosure is doing a shit job. "  | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. Are you a parent? Why does that matter? Im not a policemen but I know letting a criminal go is doing a shit job. I'm not a footballer but I know an own goal is doing a shit job. Letting a toddler fall into a gorilla's enclosure is doing a shit job. " Boom | |||
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"Been done already." Yeah, here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambo 
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd" But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent  | |||
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"Oops I didn't mean to start a ruck . Just saying it's sad for the gorilla . And I didn't realise it had already been done ." No worries.x | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent "It wasn't wrong, it was part of being a parent you simply can't have eyes in the back of your head and bad stuff will happen to your kids while they're in your care unless you stop them doing anything at all. | |||
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"I am glad that the child survived, of course, and having raised 2 children who didn't fall into an animal enclosure, then I also doubt the parental abilities of those who can not manage this...." I'm a rubbish parent then 
When he was ten, our son fell into the goldfish pond trying to stop the football.
Luckily we didn't have to shoot anything though, so there was a silver lining... | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent "Why isn't there a middle ground, without trying to make out everyone is as bad as parents who didn't watch their kid during a high risk situation? It's normal parenting to ensure they don't fall 12ft, and it's normal parenting to ensure they're safe from gorillas. | |||
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"I am glad that the child survived, of course, and having raised 2 children who didn't fall into an animal enclosure, then I also doubt the parental abilities of those who can not manage this.... I'm a rubbish parent then
When he was ten, our son fell into the goldfish pond trying to stop the football.
Luckily we didn't have to shoot anything though, so there was a silver lining..."Come and sit on the unfit parent step with us, there's plenty of room since everyone else appears to be model parents | |||
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"I am glad that the child survived, of course, and having raised 2 children who didn't fall into an animal enclosure, then I also doubt the parental abilities of those who can not manage this.... I'm a rubbish parent then
When he was ten, our son fell into the goldfish pond trying to stop the football.
Luckily we didn't have to shoot anything though, so there was a silver lining..."They weren't in a barrel so not easy | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent
Why isn't there a middle ground, without trying to make out everyone is as bad as parents who didn't watch their kid during a high risk situation? It's normal parenting to ensure they don't fall 12ft, and it's normal parenting to ensure they're safe from gorillas. "I don't know the circumstances all I can speak from is my own experience and from comments on this I would imagine you would say it's normal parenting to ensure your son doesn't drink potentially toxic, abrasive bath cleaner. | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent
Why isn't there a middle ground, without trying to make out everyone is as bad as parents who didn't watch their kid during a high risk situation? It's normal parenting to ensure they don't fall 12ft, and it's normal parenting to ensure they're safe from gorillas. "its a zoo not the jungle and the boy crawled under the fence since when did going to the zoo become a high risk situation | |||
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"This subject has been debated in many a forum . At the end of the day the situation needed a quick decision .Rightly or wrongly they chose to shoot the gorilla, sad I know but decision was made We COULD be posting on a thread that said Why didn't we shoot the gorilla before he killed the kid. No one to blame, just one of those incidents that happen. Rant over!" Oi! Don't be coming in here with all that sensible stuff.  | |||
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"This subject has been debated in many a forum . At the end of the day the situation needed a quick decision .Rightly or wrongly they chose to shoot the gorilla, sad I know but decision was made We COULD be posting on a thread that said Why didn't we shoot the gorilla before he killed the kid. No one to blame, just one of those incidents that happen. Rant over! Oi! Don't be coming in here with all that sensible stuff. "Pardon me for being a bit peed off with folk trying to pass the blame. It's happened, shit does. Very sad but it's just another sad chapter in life's story. | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. Are you a parent?" She doesn't need to be a parent to be entitled to such a fair opinion does she? NO - SO THAT'S A POINTLESS QUESTION | |||
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"I am glad that the child survived, of course, and having raised 2 children who didn't fall into an animal enclosure, then I also doubt the parental abilities of those who can not manage this.... I'm a rubbish parent then
When he was ten, our son fell into the goldfish pond trying to stop the football.
Luckily we didn't have to shoot anything though, so there was a silver lining...
Come and sit on the unfit parent step with us, there's plenty of room since everyone else appears to be model parents "How does the quote from Buzz Luhrmann go: "Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much Or berate yourself either Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's" Except, with parenting, I think there's a lot more down to chance than 50/50. | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent
Why isn't there a middle ground, without trying to make out everyone is as bad as parents who didn't watch their kid during a high risk situation? It's normal parenting to ensure they don't fall 12ft, and it's normal parenting to ensure they're safe from gorillas.
I don't know the circumstances all I can speak from is my own experience and from comments on this I would imagine you would say it's normal parenting to ensure your son doesn't drink potentially toxic, abrasive bath cleaner."Or be hit by a car Snatched off the street Stand underneath a falling piano I have little peeps and believe me they can find the worst kindnof trouble. Im not saying the parents are blameless but its really impressive the kind of trouble they can find. I have scars from an overly excitable swan  | |||
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"I am glad that the child survived, of course, and having raised 2 children who didn't fall into an animal enclosure, then I also doubt the parental abilities of those who can not manage this.... I'm a rubbish parent then
When he was ten, our son fell into the goldfish pond trying to stop the football.
Luckily we didn't have to shoot anything though, so there was a silver lining...
Come and sit on the unfit parent step with us, there's plenty of room since everyone else appears to be model parents
How does the quote from Buzz Luhrmann go:
"Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much
Or berate yourself either
Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's"
Except, with parenting, I think there's a lot more down to chance than 50/50."Agreed. I used to listen to some parents criticising other parents when all our kids were teenagers and think "you have no idea what's coming" then wait with a shoulder to cry on when they realised that no matter what they did their precious 12 year old turned in to a spitting, swearing, smoking, monosyllabic blob on the eve of their 13th birthday. | |||
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" I would imagine you would say it's normal parenting to ensure your son doesn't drink potentially toxic, abrasive bath cleaner. Or be hit by a car Snatched off the street Stand underneath a falling piano I have little peeps and believe me they can find the worst kindnof trouble. Im not saying the parents are blameless but its really impressive the kind of trouble they can find. I have scars from an overly excitable swan "
The chances of a mother, with other children, being distracted long enough for a 4 year old to climb into a gorilla enclosure must be a million to one.
But if the zoo has a million visitors a year....
Though I still think they could have distracted the gorilla with a drum kit and a bar of Dairy Milk. | |||
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" I would imagine you would say it's normal parenting to ensure your son doesn't drink potentially toxic, abrasive bath cleaner. Or be hit by a car Snatched off the street Stand underneath a falling piano I have little peeps and believe me they can find the worst kindnof trouble. Im not saying the parents are blameless but its really impressive the kind of trouble they can find. I have scars from an overly excitable swan
The chances of a mother, with other children, being distracted long enough for a 4 year old to climb into a gorilla enclosure must be a million to one.
But if the zoo has a million visitors a year....
Though I still think they could have distracted the gorilla with a drum kit and a bar of Dairy Milk. "
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger." Nope. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope. "i would. yum yum.  | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger." Steady now, you'll make me come out with my "where does Tarzan cook his sausages?" joke again... | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum. "..you'd have a lot to get through. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Steady now, you'll make me come out with my "where does Tarzan cook his sausages?" joke again... "not heard it, you can tell it again if you want to. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
..you'd have a lot to get through."i've also got that gorilla coat thing in my head from the simpsons now. where mr burns is dancing around in one. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope. "Not even minced, seasoned, and sprinkled on a Meat Feast pizza? (Knowing Iceland, that mince could be anything... ) | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum. "if god didnt want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Steady now, you'll make me come out with my "where does Tarzan cook his sausages?" joke again...
not heard it, you can tell it again if you want to."You'll groan, guaranteed. . . . "Under the gorilla" (griller, gedditt?) (Dad's have to learn these sort of jokes) | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Steady now, you'll make me come out with my "where does Tarzan cook his sausages?" joke again...
not heard it, you can tell it again if you want to.
You'll groan, guaranteed.
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"Under the gorilla" (griller, gedditt?)
(Dad's have to learn these sort of jokes)"haha, i love dad jokes actually. yeah that was well worth asking for, thanks. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
..you'd have a lot to get through.
i've also got that gorilla coat thing in my head from the simpsons now. where mr burns is dancing around in one. "Love that show. That the one where bart's dogs are dognapped by burns? | |||
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I don't blame the zoo staff for killing the gorilla but I do blame the parents for letting the kiddie manage to get into the enclosure as well as the zoo designer/architect for the child being able to do it 
Getting the little cherubs through the bat enclosures can be a nightmare!! | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
..you'd have a lot to get through.
i've also got that gorilla coat thing in my head from the simpsons now. where mr burns is dancing around in one.
Love that show.
That the one where bart's dogs are dognapped by burns?
"yeah that's the one, i went off the simpsons once futurama came out but some of the early stuff is really funny. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
..you'd have a lot to get through.
i've also got that gorilla coat thing in my head from the simpsons now. where mr burns is dancing around in one.
Love that show.
That the one where bart's dogs are dognapped by burns?
yeah that's the one, i went off the simpsons once futurama came out but some of the early stuff is really funny."I still watch the older ones even now if I'm flicking channels and i come across it. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
..you'd have a lot to get through.
i've also got that gorilla coat thing in my head from the simpsons now. where mr burns is dancing around in one.
Love that show.
That the one where bart's dogs are dognapped by burns?
yeah that's the one, i went off the simpsons once futurama came out but some of the early stuff is really funny.
I still watch the older ones even now if I'm flicking channels and i come across it."i haven't watched or thought about them for years now. don't even see any memes of them on facebook for some reason and you'd think they'd still be popular? | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent
Why isn't there a middle ground, without trying to make out everyone is as bad as parents who didn't watch their kid during a high risk situation? It's normal parenting to ensure they don't fall 12ft, and it's normal parenting to ensure they're safe from gorillas. "I've said it before and I'll say it again,,,there's no way the safety fence can have been adequate,,,,I know small children are into everything and it's impossible to watch them all the time,,,they move like lightning sometimes.But the zoo have to take a lot of the responsibility for keeping ALL their visitors safe. Earlier today I was at a pub with a lake,the lake had fish,ducks and swans,no gorillas but it did have a fence with bars so narrowly spaced that no child could possibly squeeze through,,,,if we can protect children from ducks in this way,surely the zoo should have been able to protect children and their magnificent and valuable gorilla. That's the middle ground,,,the parents were not necessarily bad parents,they took their eye off the child for a split second (they had more than one child in their care) but that child should not have been able to get through that fence so quickly.That is the zoos responsibility. | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent
Why isn't there a middle ground, without trying to make out everyone is as bad as parents who didn't watch their kid during a high risk situation? It's normal parenting to ensure they don't fall 12ft, and it's normal parenting to ensure they're safe from gorillas.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,,,there's no way the safety fence can have been adequate,,,,I know small children are into everything and it's impossible to watch them all the time,,,they move like lightning sometimes.But the zoo have to take a lot of the responsibility for keeping ALL their visitors safe.
Earlier today I was at a pub with a lake,the lake had fish,ducks and swans,no gorillas but it did have a fence with bars so narrowly spaced that no child could possibly squeeze through,,,,if we can protect children from ducks in this way,surely the zoo should have been able to protect children and their magnificent and valuable gorilla.
That's the middle ground,,,the parents were not necessarily bad parents,they took their eye off the child for a split second (they had more than one child in their care) but that child should not have been able to get through that fence so quickly.That is the zoos responsibility. "A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. " That's it in a nutshell 
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. Are you a parent? She doesn't need to be a parent to be entitled to such a fair opinion does she? NO - SO THAT'S A POINTLESS QUESTION" Hi, you OK | |||
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"A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting." Sorry, I mean a split second wouldn't be enough time for a child to fall in. Clearly it was several seconds or longer of ignoring the child. Kids need supervision, they're mostly idiots. | |||
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"I've taken lots of children to lots of places of interest including zoos. So far I've had 1, 2,3,4 mmmm let me think???? NONE climb into an animal enclosure!!!
I don't blame the zoo staff for killing the gorilla but I do blame the parents for letting the kiddie manage to get into the enclosure as well as the zoo designer/architect for the child being able to do it
Getting the little cherubs through the bat enclosures can be a nightmare!! "And how many families and kids do you think have gone through that zoo and looked at the gorilla enclosure over the last few years? Loads. That's the whole point. Nobody could predict how one child could behave, just as nobody could predict how the gorilla was going to behave. | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame "I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace of God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others. | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
"But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves. | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves. "Which one is mad? The 'Blimey, that could happen to me' group, or the 'pride before a fall' group? | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
"I lost a child once and for that split second when I thought I had lost her I felt awful!
It was literally a split second and she was actually right next to me but had somehow got behind me so out of site.
She is taller than me now and until she had a child recently would constantly take the piss out of my "look of fear" face she witnessed as a nipper
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves.
Which one is mad?
The 'Blimey, that could happen to me' group, or the 'pride before a fall' group?"You are a parent. You are not human. You are a robot. Your children will obey you. They have no free will. There will be no grey areas. You are a parent. You are not human. You are a robot. Your children will obey you....... | |||
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pst wee man c,mon down c.mon look what iv got | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves.
Which one is mad?
The 'Blimey, that could happen to me' group, or the 'pride before a fall' group?"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. | |||
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"has anyone actually met or spoke to the monkey ? it could have been a bit of an arsehole for all we know "Gorilla not monkey, have you seen Planet of the apes? They don't like being called monkey | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves.
Which one is mad?
The 'Blimey, that could happen to me' group, or the 'pride before a fall' group?
You are a parent. You are not human. You are a robot. Your children will obey you. They have no free will. There will be no grey areas. You are a parent. You are not human. You are a robot. Your children will obey you......."If you can't stop your child from climbing into a gorilla's enclosure, you must be an awful parent. It's not about obeying, it's not about free will, it's quite simply about preventing them from serious danger and not being reckless. | |||
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"Please don't get me wrong, but I would jump into the enclosure if one of my kids fell in. I would do whatever to save them. I am not criticising anyone else. " you might not though. i've dealt with fits of people i don't know that well and handled them just fine, but when 2 of my kids had febrile fits and i just froze and panicked each time. you can't tell how you'll react until it happens. | |||
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"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. " I didn't think anyone has said accidents are unavoidable, nor that parents have no control over things, just that some of us are able, through mistakes we have made, to feel a level of empathy towards other parents, rather than judging them. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
if god didnt want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat "What did God make humans out of? | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves.
Which one is mad?
The 'Blimey, that could happen to me' group, or the 'pride before a fall' group?
You are a parent. You are not human. You are a robot. Your children will obey you. They have no free will. There will be no grey areas. You are a parent. You are not human. You are a robot. Your children will obey you.......
If you can't stop your child from climbing into a gorilla's enclosure, you must be an awful parent. It's not about obeying, it's not about free will, it's quite simply about preventing them from serious danger and not being reckless.
From your posts on the forums, you're not a very nice human being so I'm a bit surprised you expect parents to be perfect."Yeh I'm awful for expecting parents to protect their child from death. No need to be bitchy (yet again), is there? It's a story about a gorilla, that's all. | |||
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"Why didn't they just tranquillise it tho??" takes too long and would make the gorilla more aggressive thats what the guy who shot it said ..... but yet to read one message post about how gorillas parenting skills are | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
if god didnt want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat
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"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. I didn't think anyone has said accidents are unavoidable, nor that parents have no control over things, just that some of us are able, through mistakes we have made, to feel a level of empathy towards other parents, rather than judging them." Yes, accidents do happen, but I think not watching a child long enough for them to fall and almost die by being mauled by a huge animal is just much worse than an accident/mistake. Certain situations call for precautions such as keeping the child visible. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
if god didnt want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat
What did God make humans out of?"jump in a pit at the zoo and find out theirs plenty that would eat us like a walk in mcdonalds and wont be on forums discussing it | |||
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"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. I didn't think anyone has said accidents are unavoidable, nor that parents have no control over things, just that some of us are able, through mistakes we have made, to feel a level of empathy towards other parents, rather than judging them. Yes, accidents do happen, but I think not watching a child long enough for them to fall and almost die by being mauled by a huge animal is just much worse than an accident/mistake. Certain situations call for precautions such as keeping the child visible. " True, but the reality is that accidents rarely happen for one, simple reason. Instead they require a number of random variables all to just happen to coincide at that one, exact moment. And let's face it, kids are random! | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
if god didnt want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat
What did God make humans out of?
tasty flesh. hmmmm. bacon is people i reckon."I hope I don't offended you by saying lol.. | |||
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"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. I didn't think anyone has said accidents are unavoidable, nor that parents have no control over things, just that some of us are able, through mistakes we have made, to feel a level of empathy towards other parents, rather than judging them. Yes, accidents do happen, but I think not watching a child long enough for them to fall and almost die by being mauled by a huge animal is just much worse than an accident/mistake. Certain situations call for precautions such as keeping the child visible. True, but the reality is that accidents rarely happen for one, simple reason. Instead they require a number of random variables all to just happen to coincide at that one, exact moment. And let's face it, kids are random! " I just can't comprehend that a responsible parent would allow the situation to happen. If a child doesn't listen, I remove them from whatever is dangerous instead of just waiting for something to happen. I've never had a child in my care fall into a gorilla's enclosure yet, either. It's also bizarre to me that a child of 4 was ignored for long enough to fall into an animal's enclosure. I'd be worried for their 3 other children if that's how they "care" for them. | |||
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"Do you eat animals though? All the people crying about the gorilla yet you'd eat it if it was shoved into sausages or a burger. Nope.
i would. yum yum.
if god didnt want us to eat animals then why did he make them out of meat
What did God make humans out of?
tasty flesh. hmmmm. bacon is people i reckon.
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"I just can't comprehend that a responsible parent would allow the situation to happen. If a child doesn't listen, I remove them from whatever is dangerous instead of just waiting for something to happen. I've never had a child in my care fall into a gorilla's enclosure yet, either. It's also bizarre to me that a child of 4 was ignored for long enough to fall into an animal's enclosure. I'd be worried for their 3 other children if that's how they "care" for them. " And that was the point made at the start: that those of us who have successfully brought children to adulthood can comprehend how things can go wrong very fast. Whereas you don't yet have the same experience, so can't really be expected to fully comprehend it. | |||
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"I just can't comprehend that a responsible parent would allow the situation to happen. If a child doesn't listen, I remove them from whatever is dangerous instead of just waiting for something to happen. I've never had a child in my care fall into a gorilla's enclosure yet, either. It's also bizarre to me that a child of 4 was ignored for long enough to fall into an animal's enclosure. I'd be worried for their 3 other children if that's how they "care" for them. And that was the point made at the start: that those of us who have successfully brought children to adulthood can comprehend how things can go wrong very fast. Whereas you don't yet have the same experience, so can't really be expected to fully comprehend it. " It's not a question of experience though, I could never have children and I'll always know it's wrong to leave them unattended for an unspecified amount of time in a dangerous situation. Just becaus things can go wrong doesn't mean that this wasn't clearly irresponsible and avoidable. The kid almost died because the adult stopped looking out for them, that's SO bad. | |||
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"I just can't comprehend that a responsible parent would allow the situation to happen. If a child doesn't listen, I remove them from whatever is dangerous instead of just waiting for something to happen. I've never had a child in my care fall into a gorilla's enclosure yet, either. It's also bizarre to me that a child of 4 was ignored for long enough to fall into an animal's enclosure. I'd be worried for their 3 other children if that's how they "care" for them. And that was the point made at the start: that those of us who have successfully brought children to adulthood can comprehend how things can go wrong very fast. Whereas you don't yet have the same experience, so can't really be expected to fully comprehend it. It's not a question of experience though, I could never have children and I'll always know it's wrong to leave them unattended for an unspecified amount of time in a dangerous situation. Just becaus things can go wrong doesn't mean that this wasn't clearly irresponsible and avoidable. The kid almost died because the adult stopped looking out for them, that's SO bad. " They weren't unattended, a zoo isn't 'generally' considered a dangerous situation and the kid didn't almost die. It was a shame the gorilla was shot, but I trust the decision of the zoo-keepers because only they are *experienced* in dealing with that particular animal. Experience is always important. It is the best way we learn, adapt and evolve. | |||
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"Any public place with large gatherings of people is a high risk environment and as such the zoo falls into that category. Add the animals and taking other things into consideration (excitement, unfamiliar environment, child's age, character, one parent/multiple children) make it very high risk. The parent should have been on high alert. It's holdy handy time for four year olds "True, to a certain extent, but as someone who earlier admitted losing a child, why can't you extend the same leeway that you grant yourself? | |||
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"Any public place with large gatherings of people is a high risk environment and as such the zoo falls into that category. Add the animals and taking other things into consideration (excitement, unfamiliar environment, child's age, character, one parent/multiple children) make it very high risk. The parent should have been on high alert. It's holdy handy time for four year olds
True, to a certain extent, but as someone who earlier admitted losing a child, why can't you extend the same leeway that you grant yourself?"I would blame myself
But as stated previously the design of the enclosure needs a good coat of looking at.
I found the child I lost straight away and we was in a small shoe shop and not a zoo. I was in a totally different environment.
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"Any public place with large gatherings of people is a high risk environment and as such the zoo falls into that category. Add the animals and taking other things into consideration (excitement, unfamiliar environment, child's age, character, one parent/multiple children) make it very high risk. The parent should have been on high alert. It's holdy handy time for four year olds
True, to a certain extent, but as someone who earlier admitted losing a child, why can't you extend the same leeway that you grant yourself?
I would blame myself
But as stated previously the design of the enclosure needs a good coat of looking at.
I found the child I lost straight away and we was in a small shoe shop and not a zoo. I was in a totally different environment.
She still wanders off in shoe shops now much to her partners annoyance and expense!! "More children are abducted from shops than zoos. More children are abducted from shops than are killed by zoo animals. Now which one is high risk? | |||
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"I am glad that the child survived, of course, and having raised 2 children who didn't fall into an animal enclosure, then I also doubt the parental abilities of those who can not manage this.... I'm a rubbish parent then
When he was ten, our son fell into the goldfish pond trying to stop the football.
Luckily we didn't have to shoot anything though, so there was a silver lining...
Come and sit on the unfit parent step with us, there's plenty of room since everyone else appears to be model parents
How does the quote from Buzz Luhrmann go:
"Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much
Or berate yourself either
Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's"
Except, with parenting, I think there's a lot more down to chance than 50/50."Great song and a few could do with following its advice | |||
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"I just can't comprehend that a responsible parent would allow the situation to happen. If a child doesn't listen, I remove them from whatever is dangerous instead of just waiting for something to happen. I've never had a child in my care fall into a gorilla's enclosure yet, either. It's also bizarre to me that a child of 4 was ignored for long enough to fall into an animal's enclosure. I'd be worried for their 3 other children if that's how they "care" for them. And that was the point made at the start: that those of us who have successfully brought children to adulthood can comprehend how things can go wrong very fast. Whereas you don't yet have the same experience, so can't really be expected to fully comprehend it. It's not a question of experience though, I could never have children and I'll always know it's wrong to leave them unattended for an unspecified amount of time in a dangerous situation. Just becaus things can go wrong doesn't mean that this wasn't clearly irresponsible and avoidable. The kid almost died because the adult stopped looking out for them, that's SO bad. They weren't unattended, a zoo isn't 'generally' considered a dangerous situation and the kid didn't almost die. It was a shame the gorilla was shot, but I trust the decision of the zoo-keepers because only they are *experienced* in dealing with that particular animal. Experience is always important. It is the best way we learn, adapt and evolve. " I reckon not paying attention to a toddler climbing into an enclosure counts as unattended, similar to a parent passed out d*unk on a sofa. They may be there, but they're useless. The kid outweighs the gorilla in importance, it definitely had to be shot to protect the child. Some things are innate and don't have to be learned by experience. Knowing to keep an eye on a kid with a death wish is one of those things. | |||
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"Any public place with large gatherings of people is a high risk environment and as such the zoo falls into that category. Add the animals and taking other things into consideration (excitement, unfamiliar environment, child's age, character, one parent/multiple children) make it very high risk. The parent should have been on high alert. It's holdy handy time for four year olds
True, to a certain extent, but as someone who earlier admitted losing a child, why can't you extend the same leeway that you grant yourself?
I would blame myself
But as stated previously the design of the enclosure needs a good coat of looking at.
I found the child I lost straight away and we was in a small shoe shop and not a zoo. I was in a totally different environment.
She still wanders off in shoe shops now much to her partners annoyance and expense!!
More children are abducted from shops than zoos.
More children are abducted from shops than are killed by zoo animals.
Now which one is high risk?"Again as stated previously as public places with large gatherings of people they are both high risk. And again as previously stated for various reasons a zoo has different and added risks. This topic is about a gorilla being killed because it could have hurt a child. Not a child being abducted. I am not sure why you are trying to discredit my opinion. But I've never heard of a gorilla killing a child in a shop either | |||
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" I reckon not paying attention to a toddler climbing into an enclosure counts as unattended, similar to a parent passed out d*unk on a sofa. They may be there, but they're useless. The kid outweighs the gorilla in importance, it definitely had to be shot to protect the child. Some things are innate and don't have to be learned by experience. Knowing to keep an eye on a kid with a death wish is one of those things. " I reckon 'distracted' isn't quite the same as 'passed out and useless', and I can understand how a parent might think it would not be possible for a 4-yr old to enter a zoo enclosure, therby dismissing this as a significant risk for the seconds they were dealing with the other children. But I guess it's just a matter of opinion, so perhaps we should leave it there. | |||
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" Again as stated previously as public places with large gatherings of people they are both high risk. And again as previously stated for various reasons a zoo has different and added risks. This topic is about a gorilla being killed because it could have hurt a child. Not a child being abducted. I am not sure why you are trying to discredit my opinion. But I've never heard of a gorilla killing a child in a shop either "I'm not discrediting your opinion, just pointing out the disparity in how you judge your own experiences and how you judge others. I must admit, on none of the occasions we took our children to the zoo did I ever once consider the animals to be a major risk factor. Whereas in a busy shop, I never let them out of my sight for a second. You see, different opinions, different interpretations of risk. | |||
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"has anyone actually met or spoke to the monkey ? it could have been a bit of an arsehole for all we know "There's plenty of arseholes in here and in life in general. Does that mean we should shoot them too ? | |||
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"has anyone actually met or spoke to the monkey ? it could have been a bit of an arsehole for all we know
There's plenty of arseholes in here and in life in general.
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" Again as stated previously as public places with large gatherings of people they are both high risk. And again as previously stated for various reasons a zoo has different and added risks. This topic is about a gorilla being killed because it could have hurt a child. Not a child being abducted. I am not sure why you are trying to discredit my opinion. But I've never heard of a gorilla killing a child in a shop either
I'm not discrediting your opinion, just pointing out the disparity in how you judge your own experiences and how you judge others.
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"Is it harsh to say shoot the child Next time Reason1 what did the gorilla do wrong it is soley the. Victim Reason 2 the gorilla is the animal at risk of extinction The human race is doing ok Reason 3 i dont agree with zoos but there mission (or excuse) is conservation of endangered species Reason 4 i prefer gorillas to people" Agreed apart from shoot the child part . | |||
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"think the lesson we can all learn from this is monkeys are not as intelligent as we make them out to be "Dump a monkey and a human 2 hundred miles into jungle, bet the monkey has more chance of survival than the human | |||
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"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. I didn't think anyone has said accidents are unavoidable, nor that parents have no control over things, just that some of us are able, through mistakes we have made, to feel a level of empathy towards other parents, rather than judging them. Yes, accidents do happen, but I think not watching a child long enough for them to fall and almost die by being mauled by a huge animal is just much worse than an accident/mistake. Certain situations call for precautions such as keeping the child visible. " He didn't almost die but he was in a life threatening situation.....he spent one night in hospital, he was fine. He might not like Gorillas for a while though. There is some blame to lie at the parents feet but, although I am not a parent I have worked with and looked after enough children of all ages to know that they do sometimes get away from you. We have no idea how that child got in there, what the parents reactions were when they realised their child was crawling into the enclosure. Also, hundreds of other people around and not one of them saw the child? Pretty poor social responsibility there too. | |||
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"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. I didn't think anyone has said accidents are unavoidable, nor that parents have no control over things, just that some of us are able, through mistakes we have made, to feel a level of empathy towards other parents, rather than judging them. Yes, accidents do happen, but I think not watching a child long enough for them to fall and almost die by being mauled by a huge animal is just much worse than an accident/mistake. Certain situations call for precautions such as keeping the child visible. He didn't almost die but he was in a life threatening situation.....he spent one night in hospital, he was fine. He might not like Gorillas for a while though. There is some blame to lie at the parents feet but, although I am not a parent I have worked with and looked after enough children of all ages to know that they do sometimes get away from you. We have no idea how that child got in there, what the parents reactions were when they realised their child was crawling into the enclosure. Also, hundreds of other people around and not one of them saw the child? Pretty poor social responsibility there too. " | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. " | |||
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"Having read most of the posts regarding the parenting skills or lack of concerning the unfortunate incisedent at the zoo in Cincinnati. My first thought was how in hell did the child manage that . IMO the zoo failed the gorilla for not keeping it safe from humans by erecting a sufficient barrier between him and the public and vice Versa not keeping the public safe. " This I agree with although it did seem to work for 38 years which is how long the enclosure has been open for. Perhaps a breach had not been noticed during the pre opening checks etc but it will be the zoo who will take the brunt of the blame. Much like the Astown towers crash. That was down to human error but as the overall responsibility for health and safety lies with the manager of the company no one else was fined or charged in regards to the breaches of the health and safety at work act. Whether they have similar in the US I don't know but I'd imagine so. | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
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"This subject has been debated in many a forum . At the end of the day the situation needed a quick decision .Rightly or wrongly they chose to shoot the gorilla, sad I know but decision was made We COULD be posting on a thread that said Why didn't we shoot the gorilla before he killed the kid. No one to blame, just one of those incidents that happen. Rant over!" Hindsight is a wonderful thing some interesting reading here about the incident http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/astonishing-new-footage-shows-gorilla-8082168 still heartbreaking to see such a beautiful creature die | |||
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"I said it before there are too many stupid people having kids when they really shouldn't be. "Your a brave woman Ms Baker | |||
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"I'm a far worse parent. I took my son to watch Newcastle United most of last season "(Shakes head in disgust) | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves. "Whilst trying to keep the children alive until adulthood,you do realise that parenting involves a lot of "on the job" type learning? No one is ever fully qualified, there's no master degree to be obtained before popping a sprog out. Sadly some get it completely wrong, accidents happen & the whole world of social media judges you. | |||
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"Please some kids are a fucking nightmare! But we all know better and must judge and tell them they are shit. Cause we know them better and their kids better. Big congrats to everyone who has kids who always listen and do exactly what they say. Also those who never look away for a second and something doesnt happen. Rip to the gorilla very sad but as i wasnt there i shall reserve judgement. Out of interest its the parents job to stop this happening yeah but were they the only people there?" Exactly. Did everyone just stand and stare while the kid made his way in? | |||
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"Please some kids are a fucking nightmare! But we all know better and must judge and tell them they are shit. Cause we know them better and their kids better. Big congrats to everyone who has kids who always listen and do exactly what they say. Also those who never look away for a second and something doesnt happen. Rip to the gorilla very sad but as i wasnt there i shall reserve judgement. Out of interest its the parents job to stop this happening yeah but were they the only people there? Exactly. Did everyone just stand and stare while the kid made his way in?" No of course not, they got their cameras rolling to be the first one to post it on social media | |||
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"Please some kids are a fucking nightmare! But we all know better and must judge and tell them they are shit. Cause we know them better and their kids better. Big congrats to everyone who has kids who always listen and do exactly what they say. Also those who never look away for a second and something doesnt happen. Rip to the gorilla very sad but as i wasnt there i shall reserve judgement. Out of interest its the parents job to stop this happening yeah but were they the only people there? Exactly. Did everyone just stand and stare while the kid made his way in? No of course not, they got their cameras rolling to be the first one to post it on social media " | |||
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"Please some kids are a fucking nightmare! But we all know better and must judge and tell them they are shit. Cause we know them better and their kids better. Big congrats to everyone who has kids who always listen and do exactly what they say. Also those who never look away for a second and something doesnt happen. Rip to the gorilla very sad but as i wasnt there i shall reserve judgement. Out of interest its the parents job to stop this happening yeah but were they the only people there? Exactly. Did everyone just stand and stare while the kid made his way in? No of course not, they got their cameras rolling to be the first one to post it on social media "Exactly this ^^ It's okay though they're allowed to do that as they're not the parents, no judgement passed either...... | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. "  exactly
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"Ah I though there but for the grace of God means more on the lines that they believe they have no control in what happens, when clearly it was all very avoidable. That's the one that's mad. I didn't think anyone has said accidents are unavoidable, nor that parents have no control over things, just that some of us are able, through mistakes we have made, to feel a level of empathy towards other parents, rather than judging them." That's about the size of it. | |||
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"Must be great to be perfect parents with children who don't do anything wrong or unpredictable. Not many parents let their kids fall into a gorilla's enclosure. That's a bit worse than being less than perfect. It's pretty shit parenting. " Is it? they took the child for a day out as a family, many oher kids got left home alone in the same city the day, even more were watching telly while the parents payed no attention to them. These parents chose to spend a day with their child, unfortunately he got away probably through a forrest of legs belonging to others who didn't see it as their business to stop him running off or climbing onto a wall which probably had signs on it saying don't climb. | |||
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" A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. That's it in a nutshell
Certain situations mean parents/carers should do a lot more and they can't simply expect the "kids will be kids" excuse to clear them from blame
I guess you will always get some parents who think "there, but for the grace if God, go I", while others will pride themselves on being so much better parents than others.
But that's mad and unacceptable parenting. The sole job of a parent is to raise and keep the kid alive until they can do it for themselves. "Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, no matter what you do you can't fulfil your sole job as a parent. Most parents would step in front of a speeding train in an instant for their children, they "know" their sole job is to keep that kid alive it's imprinted on every cell of their body. | |||
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"Please some kids are a fucking nightmare! But we all know better and must judge and tell them they are shit. Cause we know them better and their kids better. Big congrats to everyone who has kids who always listen and do exactly what they say. Also those who never look away for a second and something doesnt happen. Rip to the gorilla very sad but as i wasnt there i shall reserve judgement. Out of interest its the parents job to stop this happening yeah but were they the only people there?" kids are a nightmare lol, I could only watch my nephew for like 20 mins, he tries to put literally everything in his mouth | |||
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"Please some kids are a fucking nightmare! But we all know better and must judge and tell them they are shit. Cause we know them better and their kids better. Big congrats to everyone who has kids who always listen and do exactly what they say. Also those who never look away for a second and something doesnt happen. Rip to the gorilla very sad but as i wasnt there i shall reserve judgement. Out of interest its the parents job to stop this happening yeah but were they the only people there? kids are a nightmare lol, I could only watch my nephew for like 20 mins, he tries to put literally everything in his mouth "Yeah sounds like my niece! | |||
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"I'm a shit parent then. Neither of my kids ever fell into an animal enclosure but stuff happened to them. You're a tough crowd But you know it was wrong so that makes you a perfect parent
Why isn't there a middle ground, without trying to make out everyone is as bad as parents who didn't watch their kid during a high risk situation? It's normal parenting to ensure they don't fall 12ft, and it's normal parenting to ensure they're safe from gorillas.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,,,there's no way the safety fence can have been adequate,,,,I know small children are into everything and it's impossible to watch them all the time,,,they move like lightning sometimes.But the zoo have to take a lot of the responsibility for keeping ALL their visitors safe.
Earlier today I was at a pub with a lake,the lake had fish,ducks and swans,no gorillas but it did have a fence with bars so narrowly spaced that no child could possibly squeeze through,,,,if we can protect children from ducks in this way,surely the zoo should have been able to protect children and their magnificent and valuable gorilla.
That's the middle ground,,,the parents were not necessarily bad parents,they took their eye off the child for a split second (they had more than one child in their care) but that child should not have been able to get through that fence so quickly.That is the zoos responsibility.
A split second would be enough time for a child to climb in and fall. I just wouldn't leave a child unattended in a public space in front of a gorilla enclosure. There's many situations where you increase vigilance, like at a bonfire or at the swimming pool. It is very basic level parenting. "My point exactly,,if a child can get through a fence in a split second,then the fence is not doing a very good job. | |||
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"What gorilla? What kid? Have i missed simething" Bloody hell I live in a bubble but even I've heard about this | |||
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" I would imagine you would say it's normal parenting to ensure your son doesn't drink potentially toxic, abrasive bath cleaner. Or be hit by a car Snatched off the street Stand underneath a falling piano I have little peeps and believe me they can find the worst kindnof trouble. Im not saying the parents are blameless but its really impressive the kind of trouble they can find. I have scars from an overly excitable swan
The chances of a mother, with other children, being distracted long enough for a 4 year old to climb into a gorilla enclosure must be a million to one.
But if the zoo has a million visitors a year....
Though I still think they could have distracted the gorilla with a drum kit and a bar of Dairy Milk.
I love that ad "that didn't end well .....
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"What gorilla? What kid? Have i missed simething Bloody hell I live in a bubble but even I've heard about this "Not seen tv or read papers this weekend due to fact of drinking real ale | |||
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"I think there has been faults on all sides. Maybe the parents are shit parents. Maybe they took thier eye off the ball for a moment. There was a hole in the netting "apparently" that lead to the child crawling thro. That whole shouldn't of been there. Also I wander why the zoo didn't tranquilize the animal instead of killing him. Lots of ifs n why's. Most importantly is that the child is safe. Xxx" Tranquilising the animal could have been more dangerous for the child. Unlike what you see in the movies it is not instantaneous. It takes a while and more than one shot could be needed. When being shot by a dart the animal feels an instant pain, however, which can cause it to panic. This is when it is most dangerous. So doing that to a gorilla holding a four year old child would redefine the word 'stupidity '. | |||
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"If Gorilla tasted nice there wouldn't be a shitstorm over this, other cute endangered species are slaughtered less humanely day in and day out to satisfy some of our own species bizarre beliefs and desires.. 'If' is a massive word in this.. " And lots of not so cute animals are endangered. | |||
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"If Gorilla tasted nice there wouldn't be a shitstorm over this, other cute endangered species are slaughtered less humanely day in and day out to satisfy some of our own species bizarre beliefs and desires.. 'If' is a massive word in this.. And lots of not so cute animals are endangered. " agreed.. | |||
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"If Gorilla tasted nice there wouldn't be a shitstorm over this, other cute endangered species are slaughtered less humanely day in and day out to satisfy some of our own species bizarre beliefs and desires.. 'If' is a massive word in this.. " . What shit storm, some stupid parents managed to let their kid fall into a gorilla compound, so they shot the gorilla to make sure some other stupid parents would come next week without having to worry about looking after their own offspring... Big deal. 600 gorillas 1.7 billon human children. In the grand scheme of things, it's obvious which one needs a cull | |||
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"I think there has been faults on all sides. Maybe the parents are shit parents. Maybe they took thier eye off the ball for a moment. There was a hole in the netting "apparently" that lead to the child crawling thro. That whole shouldn't of been there. Also I wander why the zoo didn't tranquilize the animal instead of killing him. Lots of ifs n why's. Most importantly is that the child is safe. Xxx Tranquilising the animal could have been more dangerous for the child. Unlike what you see in the movies it is not instantaneous. It takes a while and more than one shot could be needed. When being shot by a dart the animal feels an instant pain, however, which can cause it to panic. This is when it is most dangerous. So doing that to a gorilla holding a four year old child would redefine the word 'stupidity '." Fair enogh. Xxx | |||
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"Wrong on all levels..... Gorillas shouldn't be enclosed in zoos Humans should see wild animals in there natural habitats" I agree with you but the gorillas are endangered because of the illegal hunting of them by poachers. This means that the gorillas are unable to sustain their population in the wild enough to ensure survival of the species. Therefore captive breeding is one answer and a zoo is able to raise funding for such a programme through displaying gorillas in captivity. Captive bred gorillas are selected and then taken to the wild areas where they should be living, and gradually introduced to the wild then released in the hope that they aren't killed by poachers and reduce the breeding numbers. So the wheel goes around. | |||
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"If Gorilla tasted nice there wouldn't be a shitstorm over this, other cute endangered species are slaughtered less humanely day in and day out to satisfy some of our own species bizarre beliefs and desires.. 'If' is a massive word in this.. . What shit storm, some stupid parents managed to let their kid fall into a gorilla compound, so they shot the gorilla to make sure some other stupid parents would come next week without having to worry about looking after their own offspring... Big deal. 600 gorillas 1.7 billon human children. In the grand scheme of things, it's obvious which one needs a cull " So your logical conclusion is that children need to be culled? Nice one Einstein.. any more great ideas? | |||
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"If Gorilla tasted nice there wouldn't be a shitstorm over this, other cute endangered species are slaughtered less humanely day in and day out to satisfy some of our own species bizarre beliefs and desires.. 'If' is a massive word in this.. . What shit storm, some stupid parents managed to let their kid fall into a gorilla compound, so they shot the gorilla to make sure some other stupid parents would come next week without having to worry about looking after their own offspring... Big deal. 600 gorillas 1.7 billon human children. In the grand scheme of things, it's obvious which one needs a cull So your logical conclusion is that children need to be culled? Nice one Einstein.. any more great ideas?" Hahaha. | |||
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"If Gorilla tasted nice there wouldn't be a shitstorm over this, other cute endangered species are slaughtered less humanely day in and day out to satisfy some of our own species bizarre beliefs and desires.. 'If' is a massive word in this.. . What shit storm, some stupid parents managed to let their kid fall into a gorilla compound, so they shot the gorilla to make sure some other stupid parents would come next week without having to worry about looking after their own offspring... Big deal. 600 gorillas 1.7 billon human children. In the grand scheme of things, it's obvious which one needs a cull " in a wierd way i kind of agree My head says When there are only 620 mountain gorillas left every single one counts and loosing just one is a disaster There are billions of humans loosing one will make zero difference at all to the servival of our species But my heart says Thats a four year old child, we are supposed to protect our young, i couldn't sit and watch a child die So even though that one gorilla was more important to the gorilla population that a child is to the human population, natural instincts make you protect a child | |||
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" There was a kid who fell into the enclosure at a UK zoo (may have been Jersey?) and the big silver back went and stood over him to protect him and keep the other gorillas away until the keepers got him out." A white boy falls into a gorilla's enclosure in jersey zoo and the gorilla looks after the boy, a black kid falls into a gorilla's enclosure in an American zoo and gets flung around like a rag doll...the only conclusion we can make is that gorillas are racist | |||
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"If Gorilla tasted nice there wouldn't be a shitstorm over this, other cute endangered species are slaughtered less humanely day in and day out to satisfy some of our own species bizarre beliefs and desires.. 'If' is a massive word in this.. . What shit storm, some stupid parents managed to let their kid fall into a gorilla compound, so they shot the gorilla to make sure some other stupid parents would come next week without having to worry about looking after their own offspring... Big deal. 600 gorillas 1.7 billon human children. In the grand scheme of things, it's obvious which one needs a cull in a wierd way i kind of agree My head says When there are only 620 mountain gorillas left every single one counts and loosing just one is a disaster There are billions of humans loosing one will make zero difference at all to the servival of our species But my heart says Thats a four year old child, we are supposed to protect our young, i couldn't sit and watch a child die So even though that one gorilla was more important to the gorilla population that a child is to the human population, natural instincts make you protect a child " | |||
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"It was bad for the animal to be shot but just blaming the parents is a cop out by animal lovers, how did a young child even get in there. If i was the parents i would sue the bollocks off the zoo for their poor inadequate safety measures. The zoo is totally to blame for the incident and i hope they are closed down until they improve things." its not a cop out, its a combination of the two, of course the zoo should have had better security but the parents should have also been watching the child I remember years ago when my kids were small i was standing at a bus stop and a bus pulled up as i was in my bag looking for a drink for the kids, when i went to hand them a drink i was one child missing, turns out she had gotten on the bus thinking it was ours, i had to call the police to get them to find the bus and bring her back whos faults that? the drivers for letting her on alone or mine for taking my eyes off her to get a drink? you cant sue people for your inadequaacies, you have to take responsabilities for your own actions and both parties were at fault | |||
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"It was bad for the animal to be shot but just blaming the parents is a cop out by animal lovers, how did a young child even get in there. If i was the parents i would sue the bollocks off the zoo for their poor inadequate safety measures. The zoo is totally to blame for the incident and i hope they are closed down until they improve things. its not a cop out, its a combination of the two, of course the zoo should have had better security but the parents should have also been watching the child I remember years ago when my kids were small i was standing at a bus stop and a bus pulled up as i was in my bag looking for a drink for the kids, when i went to hand them a drink i was one child missing, turns out she had gotten on the bus thinking it was ours, i had to call the police to get them to find the bus and bring her back whos faults that? the drivers for letting her on alone or mine for taking my eyes off her to get a drink? you cant sue people for your inadequaacies, you have to take responsabilities for your own actions and both parties were at fault" but if the bus driver tossed your child about the bus they would probably have shot him too | |||
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"It's a busy zoo with loads of pple about. They left to wonder about without supervision! Let's instead of falling into the enclosure, he had been kidnapped!
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