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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

What an insidious, lying creep.

The ex Greek leader has just basically ripped him to bits.....Blair also said he was always against us joining the Euro.....what total crap!

He was squirming, dodging, sweating....as an EX politician, discredited and out of touch...why do the BBC give him airtime?

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By *olgateMan  over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

War criminal

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

One thing he did say is if we stay in Europe we will have no control over immigration.... That will do for me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yesterday he said he was not unpopular because of Iraq, he was unpopular because he won 3 elections. I hope the Chilcot report buries him.

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By *ellowbabesCouple  over a year ago

newport/cwmbran


"Yesterday he said he was not unpopular because of Iraq, he was unpopular because he won 3 elections. I hope the Chilcot report buries him."

Not the first time chilcot and buried have appeared in the same sentance.....

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By *olgateMan  over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"Yesterday he said he was not unpopular because of Iraq, he was unpopular because he won 3 elections. I hope the Chilcot report buries him."

You don't win elections by being unpopular, you win them based on manifesto promises. None of those manifestos included war crimes

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

So basically what we seem to be saying is...we wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire....?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

that guy is a traitor and should be tried for treason ..tony bliar

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Tony seems to have developed a problem walking without looking like he's clenching a slippery butt-plug....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can't wait to see the fall of Blair I am looking forward to it . That man has much blood on his hands and I want justice for those whose blood he has .

David Kelley for starters

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By *andemanMan  over a year ago

bedforshire

Totally agree the man is a class one git! Liar war Criminal and all round scumbag!

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By *olgateMan  over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"I can't wait to see the fall of Blair I am looking forward to it . That man has much blood on his hands and I want justice for those whose blood he has .

David Kelley for starters "

I second that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The amount of money him and his wife have made makes me ashamed that he pretends to be on the left!

And as for war crimes guilty as charged

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By *affy72Woman  over a year ago

Herefordshire


"I can't wait to see the fall of Blair I am looking forward to it . That man has much blood on his hands and I want justice for those whose blood he has .

David Kelly for starters

I second that. "

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I third that.

I will never forget the way David Kelly was ripped to shreds when trying to explain that the threat was exaggerated. Poor man. Truth and politics never mix well it seems.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Not really sure why everyone gets in a tizzy over blair like all the other politicians with power are good guys and not cunts.

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"One thing he did say is if we stay in Europe we will have no control over immigration.... That will do for me"

If Tony Blair wants us to stay in the EU then that on its own is good enough reason for me to vote out.

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By *omersetfun15Couple  over a year ago

bridgwater


"One thing he did say is if we stay in Europe we will have no control over immigration.... That will do for me

If Tony Blair wants us to stay in the EU then that on its own is good enough reason for me to vote out. "

Too right and that horrible wife of his what a pair of twats

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

Not a fan but history doesn't lie and he was elected 3 times and that will have been by some who now slag him off..

hindsight and fickle people huh..

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By *olgateMan  over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"Not a fan but history doesn't lie and he was elected 3 times and that will have been by some who now slag him off..

hindsight and fickle people huh.. "

I always considered him a fake and a fraud. I never voted for him.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

funny that the people he wanted to topple are now part of the terrorist threat to us.

To me Blairs biggest con was telling us he is sorting out immigration whilst having an open door policy.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Not a fan but history doesn't lie and he was elected 3 times and that will have been by some who now slag him off..

hindsight and fickle people huh..

I always considered him a fake and a fraud. I never voted for him. "

i did in the first 2 but not after the war, had a Labour MP try and convince me otherwise in the strangers bar in '97 during a visit that he wasn't a 'used car salesman' which was my opinion of the guy..

'new Labour' were elected with the support of 'middle England/Britain' voters and those voters used to and probably now vote Tory or UKIP..

hopefully Chilcott will shed some light on the truth about some of the events..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think you might find the chilcot report is going to be a non blaming report.

I'm sure that was part of the deal

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"funny that the people he wanted to topple are now part of the terrorist threat to us.

To me Blairs biggest con was telling us he is sorting out immigration whilst having an open door policy."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I think you might find the chilcot report is going to be a non blaming report.

I'm sure that was part of the deal"

i think you might find that it may well be another waste of public money and less severe in its criticisms than many of us would want..

one will see..

if anyone expects Blair to be hauled before the Hague to face any charges or even to accept he was wrong then they will be sorely disappointed as it wont happen and its not in his nature..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think you might find the chilcot report is going to be a non blaming report.

I'm sure that was part of the deal"

Well he's popping up all over the place so I think you will find he's had the nod of chilcot

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By *olgateMan  over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular


"I think you might find the chilcot report is going to be a non blaming report.

I'm sure that was part of the deal

Well he's popping up all over the place so I think you will find he's had the nod of chilcot"

Either that or damage limitation

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think you might find the chilcot report is going to be a non blaming report.

I'm sure that was part of the deal

Well he's popping up all over the place so I think you will find he's had the nod of chilcot

Either that or damage limitation "

That's all it will be mate. Can't see any British report that will end up with a PM up The Hague for war crimes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

He really is a total shit, isn't he? And I say that as a Labour supporter.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm afraid you should have paid more attention to what he said in many speeches in 98/99/2000/2001.

He very quietly went around America and Europe saying the middle East needs regime change...i say that but he worded it nicer...the middle East needs democracy!

Yeah great democratise Saudi Arabia let's see what happens

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By *rivate auditionsMan  over a year ago

West Midlands


"

If Tony Blair wants us to stay in the EU then that on its own is good enough reason for me to vote out. "

Same here!,Bliar,along with Corbyn,Cameron,Brown,Obama,hve convinced me that OUT is the best option for the UK.

I find it a laugh that all those so called "good honest working class lifelong labour supporters" who voted the twat in are now trying to dissown him and put distance between him & them!.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm afraid you should have paid more attention to what he said in many speeches in 98/99/2000/2001.

He very quietly went around America and Europe saying the middle East needs regime change...i say that but he worded it nicer...the middle East needs democracy!

Yeah great democratise Saudi Arabia let's see what happens"

Pay attention I can't remember thing that happened last week. You can remember back that far. Or you picking and choosing internet reports

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By *luezuluMan  over a year ago

Suffolk

He's a twat with an ugly wife

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

If Tony Blair wants us to stay in the EU then that on its own is good enough reason for me to vote out.

Same here!,Bliar,along with Corbyn,Cameron,Brown,Obama,hve convinced me that OUT is the best option for the UK.

I find it a laugh that all those so called "good honest working class lifelong labour supporters" who voted the twat in are now trying to dissown him and put distance between him & them!."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm afraid you should have paid more attention to what he said in many speeches in 98/99/2000/2001.

He very quietly went around America and Europe saying the middle East needs regime change...i say that but he worded it nicer...the middle East needs democracy!

Yeah great democratise Saudi Arabia let's see what happens

Pay attention I can't remember thing that happened last week. You can remember back that far. Or you picking and choosing internet reports "

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No I'm saying the guys been very consistent in his message from the outset...i went on the Iraq war march, I disagreed with his prognosis

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By *razedcatMan  over a year ago

London / Herts

Blair has to be one of the most unpopular prime ministers of the last century, I rarely hear positive remarks about him.

I can't wait to read the Chilcot report. But I know that any criminal proceedings are out of the question. Even if the UK didn't have such impunity in international affairs, it's impossible to indict Blair for anything.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Blair has to be one of the most unpopular prime ministers of the last century, I rarely hear positive remarks about him.

I can't wait to read the Chilcot report. But I know that any criminal proceedings are out of the question. Even if the UK didn't have such impunity in international affairs, it's impossible to indict Blair for anything. "

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Have you watched Polanskis ghost writer??

It's a very interesting plot

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Blair has to be one of the most unpopular prime ministers of the last century, I rarely hear positive remarks about him. "

Other than Winston Churchill - which ex-PM do you hear positive remarks about? British people like to complain...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Blair has to be one of the most unpopular prime ministers of the last century, I rarely hear positive remarks about him.

Other than Winston Churchill - which ex-PM do you hear positive remarks about? British people like to complain... "

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Wilson

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Blair has to be one of the most unpopular prime ministers of the last century, I rarely hear positive remarks about him.

Other than Winston Churchill - which ex-PM do you hear positive remarks about? British people like to complain... .

Wilson"

Both times?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Come on give the guy a break.He's got a multi million pound property porfolio to maintain, and needs a high profile to rake in the after dinner speaking fees. Those millions don't frow on trees.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

If Tony Blair wants us to stay in the EU then that on its own is good enough reason for me to vote out.

Same here!,Bliar,along with Corbyn,Cameron,Brown,Obama,hve convinced me that OUT is the best option for the UK.

I find it a laugh that all those so called "good honest working class lifelong labour supporters" who voted the twat in are now trying to dissown him and put distance between him & them!."

he was also voted in by good honest working class Tories..

for some of that persuasion the angst is evidently painful it would appear..

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By *entaur_UKMan  over a year ago

Cannock


"Come on give the guy a break.He's got a multi million pound property porfolio to maintain, and needs a high profile to rake in the after dinner speaking fees. Those millions don't frow on trees."

Yeah he was saying on the Andrew Marr show he employs around 200 people and he has to pay their wages, it's such a hard life for him isn't it. Does he expect us all to feel sorry for him?

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By *obka3Couple  over a year ago

bournemouth

The trouble is since John Major we have not had a prime minister that has got any respect from me, they have just said anything to get elected and have all been career politicians, perhaps we have to blame the PC brigade for this as any that open their mouths and say anything remotely controversial they get slated, made to apologise etc this has led the various parties to pick bland slimy tv friendly leaders that wont stand up and tell the truth, although I would naturally be a tory supporter I turn the telly over when "Dave" comes on he is as bad as balir in my eyes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"funny that the people he wanted to topple are now part of the terrorist threat to us.

To me Blairs biggest con was telling us he is sorting out immigration whilst having an open door policy."

like Cameron now

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sadly true. Will Chilcott ever be published? What's the current hold up? Utter rubbish, total waste of money & it'll be another whitewash

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Tony Blair - absolute gift to the LEAVE campaign!

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By *ittie4UCouple  over a year ago

Watford


"that guy is a traitor and should be tried for treason ..tony bliar"

Though his government did take a greater number of children out of poverty than any government in any country in the history of humanity.

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

dissatisfied

Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ...."

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum."

What's wrong with ukip?

Or are you one of these that it's shout racist because it's the in thing to do

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By *omersetfun15Couple  over a year ago

bridgwater


"that guy is a traitor and should be tried for treason ..tony bliar

Though his government did take a greater number of children out of poverty than any government in any country in the history of humanity."

Shame they were not from uk

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By *obka3Couple  over a year ago

bournemouth


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ...."

Now Now Cheri even you dont believe that or are you his mum?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum.

What's wrong with ukip?

Or are you one of these that it's shout racist because it's the in thing to do "

Did I say there was anything wrong with UKIP?

My post was to a guy who is always having a go at UKIP.

Are you one of those who can't read properly and jump to conclusions?

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By *ittie4UCouple  over a year ago

Watford


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum.

What's wrong with ukip?

Or are you one of these that it's shout racist because it's the in thing to do

Did I say there was anything wrong with UKIP?

My post was to a guy who is always having a go at UKIP.

Are you one of those who can't read properly and jump to conclusions?"

LOL.

Shame there are no 'pot' or 'kettle' emoticons on Fab.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum.

What's wrong with ukip?

Or are you one of these that it's shout racist because it's the in thing to do

Did I say there was anything wrong with UKIP?

My post was to a guy who is always having a go at UKIP.

Are you one of those who can't read properly and jump to conclusions?

LOL.

Shame there are no 'pot' or 'kettle' emoticons on Fab."

In response to the other thread, my son is 13, takes French at school and speaks pretty good Spanish, taught by myself from an early age after I'd spent several years living in Spain and still have a home and many Spanish friends there. His cousins are half Italian and they often joke or call eachother names in those languages and because I want out of the EU you call me a xenophobe? And don't want the best for him? You really don't know or understand anything of the problems in the EU. You think there are jobs in the EU for our children? The way the EU is run and is heading there simply aren't and it will only get worse. Can you explain why there is 50% youth unemployment in Spain? And probably the same in Greece, Italy, Portugal and probably before long France? The only way to help the youth of Europe is for a Brexit which will hopefully bring about a complete reform of the EU into what we signed up for in the first place, ie trade. Then the end of the Euro which has been a disaster for pretty much everyone other than the Germans.

If you think people who want to leave the EU are xenophobes then I think the problem is more your perception of the world

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By *oyce69Man  over a year ago

Driffield


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum.

What's wrong with ukip?

Or are you one of these that it's shout racist because it's the in thing to do

Did I say there was anything wrong with UKIP?

My post was to a guy who is always having a go at UKIP.

Are you one of those who can't read properly and jump to conclusions?

LOL.

Shame there are no 'pot' or 'kettle' emoticons on Fab.

In response to the other thread, my son is 13, takes French at school and speaks pretty good Spanish, taught by myself from an early age after I'd spent several years living in Spain and still have a home and many Spanish friends there. His cousins are half Italian and they often joke or call eachother names in those languages and because I want out of the EU you call me a xenophobe? And don't want the best for him? You really don't know or understand anything of the problems in the EU. You think there are jobs in the EU for our children? The way the EU is run and is heading there simply aren't and it will only get worse. Can you explain why there is 50% youth unemployment in Spain? And probably the same in Greece, Italy, Portugal and probably before long France? The only way to help the youth of Europe is for a Brexit which will hopefully bring about a complete reform of the EU into what we signed up for in the first place, ie trade. Then the end of the Euro which has been a disaster for pretty much everyone other than the Germans.

If you think people who want to leave the EU are xenophobes then I think the problem is more your perception of the world"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You think there are jobs in the EU for our children? The way the EU is run and is heading there simply aren't and it will only get worse. Can you explain why there is 50% youth unemployment in Spain? And probably the same in Greece, Italy, Portugal and probably before long France? The only way to help the youth of Europe is for a Brexit which will hopefully bring about a complete reform of the EU into what we signed up for in the first place, ie trade. Then the end of the Euro which has been a disaster for pretty much everyone other than the Germans.

If you think people who want to leave the EU are xenophobes then I think the problem is more your perception of the world"

Agree on the Euro but the reason Greece is up the shitter is only partially to do with the EU and a lot more to do with the tragic way the country is run by its bloody awful domestic politicians.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"You think there are jobs in the EU for our children? The way the EU is run and is heading there simply aren't and it will only get worse. Can you explain why there is 50% youth unemployment in Spain? And probably the same in Greece, Italy, Portugal and probably before long France? The only way to help the youth of Europe is for a Brexit which will hopefully bring about a complete reform of the EU into what we signed up for in the first place, ie trade. Then the end of the Euro which has been a disaster for pretty much everyone other than the Germans.

If you think people who want to leave the EU are xenophobes then I think the problem is more your perception of the world

Agree on the Euro but the reason Greece is up the shitter is only partially to do with the EU and a lot more to do with the tragic way the country is run by its bloody awful domestic politicians. "

agree on Greece but it does beg the question why they were let into the EU and allowed to join the Euro without massive reforms to their system being signed up to..

also the whole of the joining the Euro was a fudge for many countries as they did not meet the criteria of the debt to GDP ratio, i believe..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You think there are jobs in the EU for our children? The way the EU is run and is heading there simply aren't and it will only get worse. Can you explain why there is 50% youth unemployment in Spain? And probably the same in Greece, Italy, Portugal and probably before long France? The only way to help the youth of Europe is for a Brexit which will hopefully bring about a complete reform of the EU into what we signed up for in the first place, ie trade. Then the end of the Euro which has been a disaster for pretty much everyone other than the Germans.

If you think people who want to leave the EU are xenophobes then I think the problem is more your perception of the world

Agree on the Euro but the reason Greece is up the shitter is only partially to do with the EU and a lot more to do with the tragic way the country is run by its bloody awful domestic politicians.

agree on Greece but it does beg the question why they were let into the EU and allowed to join the Euro without massive reforms to their system being signed up to..

also the whole of the joining the Euro was a fudge for many countries as they did not meet the criteria of the debt to GDP ratio, i believe.."

Yup. They shouldn't have been let in and I'd kick them out tomorrow. Best for all involved. It does say a lot about the incompetence / corruption of the EU that they were let in. I'm still for resolving that incompetence than throwing the baby out right now. Domestic politicians are hardly awesome...

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By *arker66Man  over a year ago

Manchester


"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum.

What's wrong with ukip?

Or are you one of these that it's shout racist because it's the in thing to do

Did I say there was anything wrong with UKIP?

My post was to a guy who is always having a go at UKIP.

Are you one of those who can't read properly and jump to conclusions?

LOL.

Shame there are no 'pot' or 'kettle' emoticons on Fab.

In response to the other thread, my son is 13, takes French at school and speaks pretty good Spanish, taught by myself from an early age after I'd spent several years living in Spain and still have a home and many Spanish friends there. His cousins are half Italian and they often joke or call eachother names in those languages and because I want out of the EU you call me a xenophobe? And don't want the best for him? You really don't know or understand anything of the problems in the EU. You think there are jobs in the EU for our children? The way the EU is run and is heading there simply aren't and it will only get worse. Can you explain why there is 50% youth unemployment in Spain? And probably the same in Greece, Italy, Portugal and probably before long France? The only way to help the youth of Europe is for a Brexit which will hopefully bring about a complete reform of the EU into what we signed up for in the first place, ie trade. Then the end of the Euro which has been a disaster for pretty much everyone other than the Germans.

If you think people who want to leave the EU are xenophobes then I think the problem is more your perception of the world"

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By *mmabluTV/TS  over a year ago

upton wirral


"War criminal "
Blaire was not a war criminal,he was a lying two faced guy who bankrupted this country by conning people into thinking they where well off but all done on borrowing.He bankrupted the nation that is why we are suffering now,not because of tories hating the masses as some like to think,they have had no choice thanks to Blaire and Brown.

This is his main crime

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Agree on the Euro but the reason Greece is up the shitter is only partially to do with the EU and a lot more to do with the tragic way the country is run by its bloody awful domestic politicians.

agree on Greece but it does beg the question why they were let into the EU and allowed to join the Euro without massive reforms to their system being signed up to..

also the whole of the joining the Euro was a fudge for many countries as they did not meet the criteria of the debt to GDP ratio, i believe.."

.

Firstly there was a reason why you got 800 drachma to the pound!!.

Or 2500 lira or 200 peseta...

You see there's a history of devaluation which is what unstable countries do, its how sovereign nations with "problems" keep going...... now if your Germany, with a very strong currency thanks to being stable and a massive exporter... You want them just like that, there not worth joining up with, if they have a strong currency as well, that's why the EU broke all the rules letting these countries join in, the Germans want to keep the euro low. Devalued currency only fucks you up when you have to import stuff... And when you run an entire continent on that currency the dream was you'd never import much but you'd export shit loads with your artificially lowered euro.

Now anybody that ever visited Greece or Spain pre euro will tell you the prices there were considerably lower running there own devalued currency, when the change came, prices rose but the gdp didn't, that wouldn't last long, so they let them borrow and they let them borrow at German rates because effectively Greece, Spain and Italy were now backed by the mighty mark.

When you sign up to your Faustian bargain you really should read the small print

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"Tony Blair best prime minister the UK has had in fifty years ....

Seems a strange thing to say if you are so pro EU.

Without his policies we wouldn't have seen the rise of UKIP, which you seem to dislike so much and we probably wouldn't be having a referendum.

What's wrong with ukip?

Or are you one of these that it's shout racist because it's the in thing to do

Did I say there was anything wrong with UKIP?

My post was to a guy who is always having a go at UKIP.

Are you one of those who can't read properly and jump to conclusions?

LOL.

Shame there are no 'pot' or 'kettle' emoticons on Fab.

In response to the other thread, my son is 13, takes French at school and speaks pretty good Spanish, taught by myself from an early age after I'd spent several years living in Spain and still have a home and many Spanish friends there. His cousins are half Italian and they often joke or call eachother names in those languages and because I want out of the EU you call me a xenophobe? And don't want the best for him? You really don't know or understand anything of the problems in the EU. You think there are jobs in the EU for our children? The way the EU is run and is heading there simply aren't and it will only get worse. Can you explain why there is 50% youth unemployment in Spain? And probably the same in Greece, Italy, Portugal and probably before long France? The only way to help the youth of Europe is for a Brexit which will hopefully bring about a complete reform of the EU into what we signed up for in the first place, ie trade. Then the end of the Euro which has been a disaster for pretty much everyone other than the Germans.

If you think people who want to leave the EU are xenophobes then I think the problem is more your perception of the world"

What a great post

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


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Agree on the Euro but the reason Greece is up the shitter is only partially to do with the EU and a lot more to do with the tragic way the country is run by its bloody awful domestic politicians.

agree on Greece but it does beg the question why they were let into the EU and allowed to join the Euro without massive reforms to their system being signed up to..

also the whole of the joining the Euro was a fudge for many countries as they did not meet the criteria of the debt to GDP ratio, i believe...

Firstly there was a reason why you got 800 drachma to the pound!!.

Or 2500 lira or 200 peseta...

You see there's a history of devaluation which is what unstable countries do, its how sovereign nations with "problems" keep going...... now if your Germany, with a very strong currency thanks to being stable and a massive exporter... You want them just like that, there not worth joining up with, if they have a strong currency as well, that's why the EU broke all the rules letting these countries join in, the Germans want to keep the euro low. Devalued currency only fucks you up when you have to import stuff... And when you run an entire continent on that currency the dream was you'd never import much but you'd export shit loads with your artificially lowered euro.

Now anybody that ever visited Greece or Spain pre euro will tell you the prices there were considerably lower running there own devalued currency, when the change came, prices rose but the gdp didn't, that wouldn't last long, so they let them borrow and they let them borrow at German rates because effectively Greece, Spain and Italy were now backed by the mighty mark.

When you sign up to your Faustian bargain you really should read the small print"

Exactly this......and when the Euro inevitably crashes..as it must (the previous two Bank of England governors have said this...the current one says what DC says)...the crash will bring the EU down with it....and if we are part of the EU...then we go down with it! Inevitably.

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