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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face!" Yes/no was all he asked for  | |||
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"The stakes are too high for a yes/no response!" I know and there are lots of posts on here for a fill discussion, op wants Y/N | |||
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"The stakes are too high for a yes/no response!" In 4 weeks you're going to have to narrow it down to one of those responses. Ballot cards don't have sections for ifs and maybes. | |||
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face!" David CaMoron is on fab | |||
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"What everyones thoughts on Europe? Just keep it to a one word response yes or no." Everyone on benefits will vote to stay in as frightened of what they will lose,which makes it hard for those of us that want an out vote. This is the same reason that Scotland voted to stay in uk | |||
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"What everyones thoughts on Europe? Just keep it to a one word response yes or no.Everyone on benefits will vote to stay in as frightened of what they will lose,which makes it hard for those of us that want an out vote. This is the same reason that Scotland voted to stay in uk" They voted to stay in because they misjudged the numbers....they should have dropped the voting age limit to 14 instead of 16.  | |||
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"Get the hell out. This country's finished if we don't." Hyperbolic  | |||
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"Get the hell out. This country's finished if we don't." As if its not well on the way to being fucked now through tory incompetence | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. " If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. " total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ....." You have a problem with Germany? And you call yourself a European? Jeez with friends like you who needs enemies. I don't have a problem with Germany or Europe, we should be friends with them and trade with them outside of the EU. It's the corrupt and undemocratic, bureaucratic EU people want to leave not Europe. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... You have a problem with Germany? And you call yourself a European? Jeez with friends like you who needs enemies. I don't have a problem with Germany or Europe, we should be friends with them and trade with them outside of the EU. It's the corrupt and undemocratic, bureaucratic EU people want to leave not Europe. " think you should take at the news last yr farage under investigation for misappropriation of 1.5 million pounds of EU funds now that's corrupt .. UKIP corrupt party ....senior party member convicted of child sex offences ....senior party members suspended over racist comments ...to many rotten eggs in the UKIP camp !!!!!!!!!!! | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... You have a problem with Germany? And you call yourself a European? Jeez with friends like you who needs enemies. I don't have a problem with Germany or Europe, we should be friends with them and trade with them outside of the EU. It's the corrupt and undemocratic, bureaucratic EU people want to leave not Europe. think you should take at the news last yr farage under investigation for misappropriation of 1.5 million pounds of EU funds now that's corrupt .. UKIP corrupt party ....senior party member convicted of child sex offences ....senior party members suspended over racist comments ...to many rotten eggs in the UKIP camp !!!!!!!!!!!" Show us an mp who isnt corrupt the prime minster and the chancellor are two of the biggest culprits for loophole thieving filth | |||
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face!" ...always fucking one ,...were both out | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ....." Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany? | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?" you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support | |||
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face! " I would say we are the 5th largest economy in the world in spite of the EU not because of it. The EU is holding us back and we can do much better outside The UK government introduced many workers and consumers rights long before the EU did. We also surpass the EU now in many areas such as maternity/paternity pay giving more paid leave than many other EU countries. We leave the EU, we can re-take our seat at the World trade Organistion table, where British representatives can negotiate on our behalf instead of faceless EU bureaucrats. We can do trade deals much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis, rather than at a lumbering snails pace done by the EU which needs to get agreement between 28 member countries. Once we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to EU laws and EU rules. You already said the EU is undemocratic. Brexit does not mean the break up of the UK, if Scotland wants to join the EU on its own they will find they are blocked from doing so by Spain who said loud and clear during the Scottish referendum they would veto and block all attempts by an independent Scotland to join the EU because of the Catelonia issue of independence in Spain. A big fat honking yes to Brexit, to global trade and open markets with the whole world. To tackling climate change on a global level at the UN, and co-operation on a global level to tackle the biggest problems all humans face (not just Europeans). To committing our security to Nato, and not some dodgy ill thought out EU defence force run by the likes of Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk, who have already failed on the Euro and who have failed on the migrant crisis. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support " LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here." so that makes it ok then does it? .. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. so that makes it ok then does it? .." I never once said anywhere it was ok. I'm saying that as part of operation Yewtree politicians from all political parties were being investigated by the police. Why is it then you only mention Ukip? | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. so that makes it ok then does it? .." Hold on you don't even reside in the UK anymore so your opinions don't even count !! | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. so that makes it ok then does it? .. I never once said anywhere it was ok. I'm saying that as part of operation Yewtree politicians from all political parties were being investigated by the police. Why is it then you only mention Ukip? " because many on here believe ukip is the only party to trust but in truth they are no better than any other political party..in the interest of fairness they are probably no worse ...all political party's are only out for there own interests ... | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. so that makes it ok then does it? .. I never once said anywhere it was ok. I'm saying that as part of operation Yewtree politicians from all political parties were being investigated by the police. Why is it then you only mention Ukip? because many on here believe ukip is the only party to trust but in truth they are no better than any other political party..in the interest of fairness they are probably no worse ...all political party's are only out for there own interests ..." The EU referendum is not about political parties. A wide range of political figures from a wide range of parties support Brexit. Its the same on the Remain side. Its not a political party issue. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. so that makes it ok then does it? .. I never once said anywhere it was ok. I'm saying that as part of operation Yewtree politicians from all political parties were being investigated by the police. Why is it then you only mention Ukip? because many on here believe ukip is the only party to trust but in truth they are no better than any other political party..in the interest of fairness they are probably no worse ...all political party's are only out for there own interests ... The EU referendum is not about political parties. A wide range of political figures from a wide range of parties support Brexit. Its the same on the Remain side. Its not a political party issue. " disagree..... you watch UKIP claim a victory if its an out vote ..or Boris for PM... there all In it for their own political ends | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. so that makes it ok then does it? .. I never once said anywhere it was ok. I'm saying that as part of operation Yewtree politicians from all political parties were being investigated by the police. Why is it then you only mention Ukip? because many on here believe ukip is the only party to trust but in truth they are no better than any other political party..in the interest of fairness they are probably no worse ...all political party's are only out for there own interests ... The EU referendum is not about political parties. A wide range of political figures from a wide range of parties support Brexit. Its the same on the Remain side. Its not a political party issue. disagree..... you watch UKIP claim a victory if its an out vote ..or Boris for PM... there all In it for their own political ends " Boris is not UKIP though, he is a Conservative.....and Kate Hoey Labour MP and George Galloway of the RESPECT party said they will have a big celebration on the day of Brexit, so what. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. If Richard Dawkins believed in Parliamentary democracy then he would vote to Leave the EU. No question about it the EU is fundamentally undemocratic. Uk Parliamentary democracy is being overruled and undermined by the EU. total bollocks yet again from a guy whose prefered political party leader is from German origins ..... Really should do your research better, the name Farage has French origins. Gisela Stuart who is a Labour MP and she is also the founder of the vote Leave campaign. Do you also condemn her because she was born and raised in Germany?you really should know about the party leader you support read the daily mail report 16/08/2014 ..oh and then the UKIP bury party jailed for child sex offences ah and peter entwistle regional party chairman for child sex grooming still no accounting for who someone will support LOL, did you not hear about operation Yewtree? Its a police investigation into child sex abuse and politicians from all political parties were being investigated. Putting it into some kind of context may help you instead of an obvious smear attempt on one party which you are trying to do here. so that makes it ok then does it? .. I never once said anywhere it was ok. I'm saying that as part of operation Yewtree politicians from all political parties were being investigated by the police. Why is it then you only mention Ukip? because many on here believe ukip is the only party to trust but in truth they are no better than any other political party..in the interest of fairness they are probably no worse ...all political party's are only out for there own interests ... The EU referendum is not about political parties. A wide range of political figures from a wide range of parties support Brexit. Its the same on the Remain side. Its not a political party issue. disagree..... you watch UKIP claim a victory if its an out vote ..or Boris for PM... there all In it for their own political ends Boris is not UKIP though, he is a Conservative.....and Kate Hoey Labour MP and George Galloway of the RESPECT party said they will have a big celebration on the day of Brexit, so what. " never said Boris was ukip ..i said the referendum was for political ends and gains ...... | |||
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"Get the hell out. This country's finished if we don't." Well said +1 
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face! I would say we are the 5th largest economy in the world in spite of the EU not because of it. The EU is holding us back and we can do much better outside " The fact is that we are in the EU and we have the 5th largest economy by GDP. Anything else you say is fantasy land. " The UK government introduced many workers and consumers rights long before the EU did. We also surpass the EU now in many areas such as maternity/paternity pay giving more paid leave than many other EU countries. " Wrong apart from maternity leave. But don't worry, Brexit economists want to roll back that sort of regulation, it's far too costly giving workers holiday entitlements. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-paid-leave-holiday-entitlement-compares-to-eu-countries-in-europe-in-charts-a6881456.html " We leave the EU, we can re-take our seat at the World trade Organistion table, where British representatives can negotiate on our behalf instead of faceless EU bureaucrats. We can do trade deals much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis, rather than at a lumbering snails pace done by the EU which needs to get agreement between 28 member countries. Once we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to EU laws and EU rules. " Wrong, we never lost our seat at the WTO. Wrong about faceless bureaucrats. The first time a WTO decision goes against the UK you'll be running around whinging about faceless bureaucrats again. Wrong about EU laws and rules, if we want to trade with EU members. Wrong about negotiating trade agreements - your very own Dominic Cummings told the Treasury committee that the civil service wasn't up to the job. We'd have about 60 to catch up on with those very same bureaucrats that one of your leaders calls incompetent. " You already said the EU is undemocratic " Wrong - he said, quite correctly,The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK. There'd be no useless UKIP MEPs on a first past the post system " Brexit does not mean the break up of the UK, if Scotland wants to join the EU on its own they will find they are blocked from doing so by Spain who said loud and clear during the Scottish referendum they would veto and block all attempts by an independent Scotland to join the EU because of the Catelonia issue of independence in Spain. " Who knows - certainly not you A big fat honking yes to Bremain, to global trade using the 60 trade agreements already negotiated by the EU, access to the largest single market in the whole world. To a united approach across Europe for tackling climate change. To committing our security to Nato, with it's 22 members from the EU countries, to a positive European approach towards solving the problems caused by war and poverty on the borders of Europe. And while we're at it a big fat yes to: Freedoms and protections it's helped us to maintain in the labour market (like those holidays & working hour protection), Free access to the european market, The 60 or so existing trade deals world wide that the UK benefits from, The open market to services, the UKs biggest earner in the EU, Ability to travel freely for work or whatever reason. Cheaper air travel, Consumer rights for travelers who book package holidays, Access to emergency medical care with the European Health Insurance Card, Air passenger rights in cases of delays or cancellation of flights, UK air lines have the right to operate between EU states Cheaper mobile roaming charges falling to zero next year, Cleaner UK beaches. And of course straight bananas and cucumbers | |||
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face! I would say we are the 5th largest economy in the world in spite of the EU not because of it. The EU is holding us back and we can do much better outside The fact is that we are in the EU and we have the 5th largest economy by GDP. Anything else you say is fantasy land. The UK government introduced many workers and consumers rights long before the EU did. We also surpass the EU now in many areas such as maternity/paternity pay giving more paid leave than many other EU countries. Wrong apart from maternity leave. But don't worry, Brexit economists want to roll back that sort of regulation, it's far too costly giving workers holiday entitlements. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-paid-leave-holiday-entitlement-compares-to-eu-countries-in-europe-in-charts-a6881456.html We leave the EU, we can re-take our seat at the World trade Organistion table, where British representatives can negotiate on our behalf instead of faceless EU bureaucrats. We can do trade deals much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis, rather than at a lumbering snails pace done by the EU which needs to get agreement between 28 member countries. Once we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to EU laws and EU rules. Wrong, we never lost our seat at the WTO. " You are wrong. We have lost our own seat at the WTO table. We now have 1/28th of a seat at the WTO table as members of the EU. " Wrong about faceless bureaucrats. The first time a WTO decision goes against the UK you'll be running around whinging about faceless bureaucrats again. Wrong about EU laws and rules, if we want to trade with EU members. Wrong about negotiating trade agreements - your very own Dominic Cummings told the Treasury committee that the civil service wasn't up to the job. We'd have about 60 to catch up on with those very same bureaucrats that one of your leaders calls incompetent. " You are wrong, as the WTO rules say the EU will have to trade with us and give us a trade deal, so a deal will be done with the EU. The EU track record on making trade deals speaks for itself really, it takes many many years for the EU to do trade deals while each of the 28 member states haggles for its own interests, while independent countries all over the world do quick trade deals with each other on a 1 to 1 basis in a matter of months. Also a secret government memo leaked last week shows EU trade wars are costing the UK billions and damaging the British economy in lost trade. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/trade-wars-memo-shows-eu-is-costing-uk-billions/ " You already said the EU is undemocratic Wrong - he said, quite correctly,The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK. There'd be no useless UKIP MEPs on a first past the post system " Yet again you are factually wrong, becoming a habit of yours, UKIP already had 2 MP's elected before under first past the post system, Douglas Carswell for Clacton in a by-election and again for a 2nd time at the last General election, and Mark Reckless in Rochester and Strood by-election. " Brexit does not mean the break up of the UK, if Scotland wants to join the EU on its own they will find they are blocked from doing so by Spain who said loud and clear during the Scottish referendum they would veto and block all attempts by an independent Scotland to join the EU because of the Catelonia issue of independence in Spain. Who knows - certainly not you " Certainly not you either. " A big fat honking yes to Bremain, to global trade using the 60 trade agreements already negotiated by the EU, access to the largest single market in the whole world. To a united approach across Europe for tackling climate change. To committing our security to Nato, with it's 22 members from the EU countries, to a positive European approach towards solving the problems caused by war and poverty on the borders of Europe. And while we're at it a big fat yes to: Freedoms and protections it's helped us to maintain in the labour market (like those holidays & working hour protection), Free access to the european market, The 60 or so existing trade deals world wide that the UK benefits from, The open market to services, the UKs biggest earner in the EU, Ability to travel freely for work or whatever reason. Cheaper air travel, Consumer rights for travelers who book package holidays, Access to emergency medical care with the European Health Insurance Card, Air passenger rights in cases of delays or cancellation of flights, UK air lines have the right to operate between EU states Cheaper mobile roaming charges falling to zero next year, Cleaner UK beaches. And of course straight bananas and cucumbers " Funny you should end on bananas, as most of what you just said was bananas. | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron" Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/ | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/" This has helped make up my mind...if Nicola sturgeon wants to remain then I'm voting out | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/" more likely the bullshit is made up by farage loving brexiters so vote IN and hammer home a nail in the UKIP coffin | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/" The "9/10 Economists" mentioned aren't Osbourne and Cameron, it. It was a poll of 600 economists - 88% say it'd be bad to leave for the GDP. 8/10 say there's a risk to household income. | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/ The "9/10 Economists" mentioned aren't Osbourne and Cameron, it. It was a poll of 600 economists - 88% say it'd be bad to leave for the GDP. 8/10 say there's a risk to household income. " | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/ This has helped make up my mind...if Nicola sturgeon wants to remain then I'm voting out "Even if it potentially affects your household income? 82% of economists polled say the risk is highly concerning, it shouldn't just be taken with a pinch of salt. | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/more likely the bullshit is made up by farage loving brexiters so vote IN and hammer home a nail in the UKIP coffin " People said that about the SNP during the Scottish referendum campaign. The SNP lost the referendum but have gone from strength to strength ever since. | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/more likely the bullshit is made up by farage loving brexiters so vote IN and hammer home a nail in the UKIP coffin People said that about the SNP during the Scottish referendum campaign. The SNP lost the referendum but have gone from strength to strength ever since. " quite right Scotland didn't leave the union and have prospered the same as the UK will if it doesn't leave the union ..so vote in ... | |||
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face! I would say we are the 5th largest economy in the world in spite of the EU not because of it. The EU is holding us back and we can do much better outside " The fact is that we are in the EU and we have the 5th largest economy by GDP. Anything else you say is fantasy land. " The UK government introduced many workers and consumers rights long before the EU did. We also surpass the EU now in many areas such as maternity/paternity pay giving more paid leave than many other EU countries. " Wrong apart from maternity leave. But don't worry, Brexit economists want to roll back that sort of regulation, it's far too costly giving workers holiday entitlements. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-paid-leave-holiday-entitlement-compares-to-eu-countries-in-europe-in-charts-a6881456.html " We leave the EU, we can re-take our seat at the World trade Organistion table, where British representatives can negotiate on our behalf instead of faceless EU bureaucrats. We can do trade deals much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis, rather than at a lumbering snails pace done by the EU which needs to get agreement between 28 member countries. Once we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to EU laws and EU rules. " Wrong, we never lost our seat at the WTO. " You are wrong. We have lost our own seat at the WTO table. We now have 1/28th of a seat at the WTO table as members of the EU. " Wrong on all counts as usual. For a start you can ask Julian Braithwaite, the UK Ambassador to the WTO what his job is. Wrong about faceless bureaucrats. The first time a WTO decision goes against the UK you'll be running around whinging about faceless bureaucrats again. Wrong about EU laws and rules, if we want to trade with EU members. Wrong about negotiating trade agreements - your very own Dominic Cummings told the Treasury committee that the civil service wasn't up to the job. We'd have about 60 to catch up on with those very same bureaucrats that one of your leaders calls incompetent. " You are wrong, as the WTO rules say the EU will have to trade with us and give us a trade deal, so a deal will be done with the EU. The EU track record on making trade deals speaks for itself really, it takes many many years for the EU to do trade deals while each of the 28 member states haggles for its own interests, while independent countries all over the world do quick trade deals with each other on a 1 to 1 basis in a matter of months. " Wrong - the WTO rules don't make anyone give anyone a trade deal. It's no surprise that you're blaming the EU for the failure of Brexit policy to negotiate a trade deal with them before we've even had the vote. Wrong about the time it takes to negotiate a trade deal - typically a minimum of 4 years for deals not including the EU according to the Treasury committee report produced yesterday and available from the house of commons library. "Also a secret government memo leaked last week shows EU trade wars are costing the UK billions and damaging the British economy in lost trade. " So secret that no-one has seen it, only what the Telegraph says? Besides you don't like the UK to make a profit out of EU trade deals because that would mean they were successful - just like the one with Canada when you said the EU was ripping the Canadians off when I told you it was profitable for the UK. " You already said the EU is undemocratic " Wrong - he said, quite correctly,The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK. There'd be no useless UKIP MEPs on a first past the post system " Yet again you are factually wrong, becoming a habit of yours, UKIP already had 2 MP's elected before under first past the post system. " Wrong - you were factually wrong in saying he said the EU was undemocratic. In fact he said the opposite and was right. Wrong about elections- I was writing about the EU elections which is why I wrote MEP not MP. The point being that the EU gives far more credence and respect to democracy than the waste of space UKIP MEPs deserve. " Brexit does not mean the break up of the UK, if Scotland wants to join the EU on its own they will find they are blocked from doing so by Spain Who knows - certainly not you Certainly not you either. " Nope I don't - but I can be honest about it and admit it, you seem to be committed to telling lies the whole time. It must be the UKIP training. A big fat honking yes to Bremain, to global trade using the 60 trade agreements already negotiated by the EU, access to the largest single market in the whole world. To a united approach across Europe for tackling climate change. To committing our security to Nato, with it's 22 members from the EU countries, to a positive European approach towards solving the problems caused by war and poverty on the borders of Europe. And while we're at it a big fat yes to: Freedoms and protections it's helped us to maintain in the labour market (like those holidays & working hour protection), Free access to the european market, The 60 or so existing trade deals world wide that the UK benefits from, The open market to services, the UKs biggest earner in the EU, Ability to travel freely for work or whatever reason. Cheaper air travel, Consumer rights for travelers who book package holidays, Access to emergency medical care with the European Health Insurance Card, Air passenger rights in cases of delays or cancellation of flights, UK air lines have the right to operate between EU states Cheaper mobile roaming charges falling to zero next year, Cleaner UK beaches. And of course straight bananas and cucumbers " Funny you should end on bananas, as most of what you just said was bananas. " All of it is correct and consists of benefits to the UK from being in the EU. 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"I never have approved of destroying food simply to keep prices high. That's slightly related to straighter cucumbers and the EU. " Ugly fruit and veggies are sold in some places like Whole Foods now, and almost every market. | |||
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"I never have approved of destroying food simply to keep prices high. That's slightly related to straighter cucumbers and the EU. Ugly fruit and veggies are sold in some places like Whole Foods now, and almost every market." That's a non EU related suggestion though. | |||
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"Oops accidentally deleted my post. Economists overwhelmingly reject Brexit in boost for Cameron | Politics | The Guardian - http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/economists-reject-brexit-boost-cameron Pity then people on the same side as Cameron in this referendum don't even believe the Bullshit Osbourne and Cameron have been spouting about the economy. Nicola Sturgeon a staunch remain supporter said the claims made by Cameron and Osbourne were Overblown and not credible. Nicola Sturgeon said Cameron and Osbourne had insulted the intelligence of the British public with the claims they had been making about the economy. Even the pro EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/" After looking at all the evidence available, The Treasury Committee in their report available from the house of commons library yesterday were disappointed with Osborne's use of £4300 as the per household damage to the economy of Brexit and have insisted that the numbers should be used as a range around the £4300 estimate— they say £3,200 to £5,400 is right as long as we're clear it's a reduction in GDP per household with a smaller effect on household income. That was a unanimous report from the committee including Brexit's John Redwood. Please keep that Brexit tax for yourself. | |||
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"Yes to Brexit."
Saturday night time for a movie.
Brexit the Movie.
Trailer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnwnDn2R_rQ
Full Movie
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"Yes to Brexit.
Saturday night time for a movie.
Brexit the Movie.
Trailer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnwnDn2R_rQ
Full Movie
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k"ohh I enjoy a good fairytale lol | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... " ... as we watch French strikers battle with police to save their futures... as the middle classes in Greece rummage round in bins for food... as Spain struggles with 25% youth unemployment.. and Germany has to fund or process around 2 million people - some real refugees some bogus..... the UK may collapse but long after half the EU does. | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... " It's the EU that's collapsing...have you not noticed. | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... " Unfortunately our government will have sold UK to the US long before that becomes an option.  | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... It's the EU that's collapsing...have you not noticed. "unlikely as four eu members are in the top to world economies and 3 will be left after our exit the UK isn't doing as bad as the media make out neither is euroupe in comparison to the rest o the world !!!!!!! | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... It's the EU that's collapsing...have you not noticed. unlikely as four eu members are in the top to world economies and 3 will be left after our exit the UK isn't doing as bad as the media make out neither is euroupe in comparison to the rest o the world !!!!!!!"It isn't just about the economics or the nationalism though - it's the all round globalisation myth that people cannot manage without everything being controlled by some one size fits all huge conglomerate be it a multi-national corporation or a superstate. It is bad enough trying to cope with one meddling corrupt government without adding another mass layer with 28 competing interests who either take decades to rubber stamp the laws of the first layer or over rule them and impose their own rules. | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... It's the EU that's collapsing...have you not noticed. unlikely as four eu members are in the top to world economies and 3 will be left after our exit the UK isn't doing as bad as the media make out neither is euroupe in comparison to the rest o the world !!!!!!!
It isn't just about the economics or the nationalism though - it's the all round globalisation myth that people cannot manage without everything being controlled by some one size fits all huge conglomerate be it a multi-national corporation or a superstate. It is bad enough trying to cope with one meddling corrupt government without adding another mass layer with 28 competing interests who either take decades to rubber stamp the laws of the first layer or over rule them and impose their own rules. "again its the media hype that people believe all UK laws are forced on them by the EU in truth its between 10 and 20 % the rest are directives mainly concerning business..and you will still get those from any country we wish to trade with eg in the 70s the us dictated car bumper height and crash protection and emission regulations to sell cars there ..if you think its bad with our government now just wait until the EU isn't liking over there shoulder .. | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... ... as we watch French strikers battle with police to save their futures... as the middle classes in Greece rummage round in bins for food... as Spain struggles with 25% youth unemployment.. and Germany has to fund or process around 2 million people - some real refugees some bogus..... the UK may collapse but long after half the EU does." Plus when the Euro fails it will all be over for the EU. The ex governor of the bank of England sir Mervyn King said the Euro is doomed to failure. EU membership fees will increase when they introduce an EU army countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece can't afford it as it is now. When Turkey, Macedonia, Albania, and Serbia join the EU we will continue to see the rise of far right parties being elected all over Europe (ex head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove said we are already seeing the beginnings of this happening) as the people of Europe kick back and reject the failing EU over the migration crisis and it will only continue to get worse. The EU is on the road to ruin the fatcat Eurocrats on the gravy train in Brussels seem oblivious to it all they think more bureaucracy is the answer and they are hostile towards any kind of meaningful reform. Our only salvation is to leave the failing EU. | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. " Dawkins is an attention seeking, patronising twat. To answer the op. We are both voting out! | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... ... as we watch French strikers battle with police to save their futures... as the middle classes in Greece rummage round in bins for food... as Spain struggles with 25% youth unemployment.. and Germany has to fund or process around 2 million people - some real refugees some bogus..... the UK may collapse but long after half the EU does. Plus when the Euro fails it will all be over for the EU. The ex governor of the bank of England sir Mervyn King said the Euro is doomed to failure. EU membership fees will increase when they introduce an EU army countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece can't afford it as it is now. When Turkey, Macedonia, Albania, and Serbia join the EU we will continue to see the rise of far right parties being elected all over Europe (ex head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove said we are already seeing the beginnings of this happening) as the people of Europe kick back and reject the failing EU over the migration crisis and it will only continue to get worse. The EU is on the road to ruin the fatcat Eurocrats on the gravy train in Brussels seem oblivious to it all they think more bureaucracy is the answer and they are hostile towards any kind of meaningful reform. Our only salvation is to leave the failing EU. " and thats the opposite of what mark carney the present governor of the bank of england says ..and its IF the euro ever fails an eu army is in the minds of the scaremongering brexiters ..there is no guarantee of any of the nations you mention of joining any time soon just more scaremongering ..FAT CATS think farage has his name top of list after BREXIT | |||
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"Bye bye UK, .... Don't come back pleading to rejoin the EU with a begging bowl when you finally collapse ...... ... as we watch French strikers battle with police to save their futures... as the middle classes in Greece rummage round in bins for food... as Spain struggles with 25% youth unemployment.. and Germany has to fund or process around 2 million people - some real refugees some bogus..... the UK may collapse but long after half the EU does. Plus when the Euro fails it will all be over for the EU. The ex governor of the bank of England sir Mervyn King said the Euro is doomed to failure. EU membership fees will increase when they introduce an EU army countries like Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece can't afford it as it is now. When Turkey, Macedonia, Albania, and Serbia join the EU we will continue to see the rise of far right parties being elected all over Europe (ex head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove said we are already seeing the beginnings of this happening) as the people of Europe kick back and reject the failing EU over the migration crisis and it will only continue to get worse. The EU is on the road to ruin the fatcat Eurocrats on the gravy train in Brussels seem oblivious to it all they think more bureaucracy is the answer and they are hostile towards any kind of meaningful reform. Our only salvation is to leave the failing EU. " | |||
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"Out.....no other option for me. As to the poster on protecting workers rights...bollocks. Have you looked at France this week?"
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"Definitely out for the sake of my kids." ....Agree..i worry for my children's future in a corrupt EU. | |||
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"Definitely out for the sake of my kids.....Agree..i worry for my children's future in a corrupt EU." we also worry for our children and grandchildren in a tiny isolated island so its a big IN from us !!!!!!!!!!! | |||
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"Definitely out for the sake of my kids.....Agree..i worry for my children's future in a corrupt EU. we also worry for our children and grandchildren in a tiny isolated island so its a big IN from us !!!!!!!!!!! " ..............In a corrupt EU. | |||
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"Definitely out for the sake of my kids.....Agree..i worry for my children's future in a corrupt EU. we also worry for our children and grandchildren in a tiny isolated island so its a big IN from us !!!!!!!!!!! ..............In a corrupt EU." look at any political organisation and its open to corruption..if all you people truly believed in a greater united kingdom your houses and driveways would be full of British made products in support of your country ...so will an out vote make a stronger country not even with a large dose of racism thrown in... | |||
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"Definitely out for the sake of my kids.....Agree..i worry for my children's future in a corrupt EU. we also worry for our children and grandchildren in a tiny isolated island so its a big IN from us !!!!!!!!!!! " Isolated island?????? By that I take it you mean Fuerteventura where you live. By leaving the EU, Britain will open itself up to the whole world beyond the borders of the EU. It's the remain side who have this little EU attitude and they can't see beyond the borders of the EU. | |||
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"Definitely out for the sake of my kids.....Agree..i worry for my children's future in a corrupt EU. we also worry for our children and grandchildren in a tiny isolated island so its a big IN from us !!!!!!!!!!! Isolated island?????? By that I take it you mean Fuerteventura where you live. By leaving the EU, Britain will open itself up to the whole world beyond the borders of the EU. It's the remain side who have this little EU attitude and they can't see beyond the borders of the EU. " the UK is un comparison to the rest of the world a tiny island nation as we already trade with the rest if the world now there will be no difference there except we will have shut Europe out by telling there not good enough to be in a union with why would they wish to buy our products so isolated yes ....so again if you and the rest of your nationalist colleagues cared about your country your homes and driveways would be full of British made products so are they ? no thought not .. | |||
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"VOTE LEAVE for gods sake, even the tories are going to boot Cameron out in a vote of no confidence over his u turn on EU and project fear campaign. Britain WILL be better off OUT. The figures used by the remain campaign come from government sources like hmrc or imf, and are very innacurate. And 5 more poor countries want to join! diminishing our measly 8% EU vote even further. If we remain EU and US use ttip and within 2 years the NHS is to be SOLD OFF, this is just awaiting the result of the referendum to go ahead. VOTE LEAVE" you clearly havnt done you home work on who will join the EU anytime soon more total twaddle from project fear ukip lovers | |||
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"VOTE LEAVE for gods sake, even the tories are going to boot Cameron out in a vote of no confidence over his u turn on EU and project fear campaign. Britain WILL be better off OUT. The figures used by the remain campaign come from government sources like hmrc or imf, and are very innacurate. And 5 more poor countries want to join! diminishing our measly 8% EU vote even further. If we remain EU and US use ttip and within 2 years the NHS is to be SOLD OFF, this is just awaiting the result of the referendum to go ahead. VOTE LEAVE" And, of course, nothing you say is Project Fear. Project Total Bollocks is probably more accurate. | |||
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" By leaving the EU, Britain will open itself up to the whole world beyond the borders of the EU. It's the remain side who have this little EU attitude and they can't see beyond the borders of the EU. " Oh I see. GREAT POINT! You mean leaving the largest single market IN THE WORLD, representing almost 25% of GLOBAL GDP, the easiest market for us to trade with because, over the last 20 years we have harmonised product standards, environmental standards and removed all trade barriers - by leaving that we can open our economy to the rest of the world. Yes, as Patrick Minford, the (only?) pro-Brexit economist and neo-liberal points out, we can open up our economy so we can remove all trade barriers - and as he says it will result in the complete elimination of all UK manufacturing jobs (as Chinese workers are far cheaper than European employees and have so few workers rights and China puts so few environmental ruleson its businesses) but it's OK because we can all work in 'the creative industries' in the future. It's wonderful that Patrick and his UKIP /Tory Nutter friends who lead Vote Leave hold the best interest of working people in this country so close to their hearts. So sad that some working people are taken in by them. | |||
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"We love Europe so it has to be OUT of the EU" Was it you in an earlier post who admitted illegally discriminating against non-UK workers in your business - whilst at the same time 'loving Europe' -or did you delete that post? | |||
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"Has got to be OUT for our childrens future!" Sad that you have so little confidence in your children that you don't think they have a future in the world's largest employment market of over 400 million jobs. | |||
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"We love Europe so it has to be OUT of the EU Was it you in an earlier post who admitted illegally discriminating against non-UK workers in your business - whilst at the same time 'loving Europe' -or did you delete that post?" ??? No. As in most posts on this subject you are very confused. And wrong | |||
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"Has got to be OUT for our childrens future! Sad that you have so little confidence in your children that you don't think they have a future in the world's largest employment market of over 400 million jobs." 400 million jobs? You should let the 20 odd million unemployed know where they are 
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"Out its time to make Britain great again. We are an island and a part of Europe not shackled to it. Our laws are our laws and not to be decided in another country. As for immigration yes we are a mongrel nation but let us chose what mongrels we allow in. " | |||
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"Has got to be OUT for our childrens future! Sad that you have so little confidence in your children that you don't think they have a future in the world's largest employment market of over 400 million jobs. 400 million jobs? You should let the 20 odd million unemployed know where they are
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" and isn't the world the worlds largest employment market?" So, your children (if you have them) have the right to work in India, in China, in the USA, in South America? They must have an incredible number of nationalities and passports. Your apparent belief that we can go and work anywhere in the world without restrictions shows are informed you are on the issues. As well as UK employment law apparently. To make you happy though...the EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. | |||
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"We love Europe so it has to be OUT of the EU Was it you in an earlier post who admitted illegally discriminating against non-UK workers in your business - whilst at the same time 'loving Europe' -or did you delete that post? ??? No. As in most posts on this subject you are very confused. And wrong" Confused? No. Wrong? If I was, I obviously apologise. There are four or five Brexit trolls on here and there ill-informed rubbish all blends into one | |||
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"Out its time to make Britain great again. We are an island and a part of Europe not shackled to it. Our laws are our laws and not to be decided in another country. As for immigration yes we are a mongrel nation but let us chose what mongrels we allow in. " | |||
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face! I would say we are the 5th largest economy in the world in spite of the EU not because of it. The EU is holding us back and we can do much better outside The UK government introduced many workers and consumers rights long before the EU did. We also surpass the EU now in many areas such as maternity/paternity pay giving more paid leave than many other EU countries. We leave the EU, we can re-take our seat at the World trade Organistion table, where British representatives can negotiate on our behalf instead of faceless EU bureaucrats. We can do trade deals much quicker on a 1 to 1 country basis, rather than at a lumbering snails pace done by the EU which needs to get agreement between 28 member countries. Once we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to EU laws and EU rules. You already said the EU is undemocratic. Brexit does not mean the break up of the UK, if Scotland wants to join the EU on its own they will find they are blocked from doing so by Spain who said loud and clear during the Scottish referendum they would veto and block all attempts by an independent Scotland to join the EU because of the Catelonia issue of independence in Spain. A big fat honking yes to Brexit, to global trade and open markets with the whole world. To tackling climate change on a global level at the UN, and co-operation on a global level to tackle the biggest problems all humans face (not just Europeans). To committing our security to Nato, and not some dodgy ill thought out EU defence force run by the likes of Jean Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk, who have already failed on the Euro and who have failed on the migrant crisis. " | |||
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" and isn't the world the worlds largest employment market? So, your children (if you have them) have the right to work in India, in China, in the USA, in South America? They must have an incredible number of nationalities and passports. Your apparent belief that we can go and work anywhere in the world without restrictions shows are informed you are on the issues. As well as UK employment law apparently. To make you happy though...the EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. " what jobs? There aren't any. And be honest, how many of the 27 other countries do you think our children would want to work in? And if you think it is as easy to go and work in other EU countries as it is to come and work here then sorry, it is you who is ill informed | |||
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" and isn't the world the worlds largest employment market? So, your children (if you have them) have the right to work in India, in China, in the USA, in South America? They must have an incredible number of nationalities and passports. Your apparent belief that we can go and work anywhere in the world without restrictions shows are informed you are on the issues. As well as UK employment law apparently. To make you happy though...the EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. what jobs? There aren't any. And be honest, how many of the 27 other countries do you think our children would want to work in? And if you think it is as easy to go and work in other EU countries as it is to come and work here then sorry, it is you who is ill informed" | |||
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" and isn't the world the worlds largest employment market? So, your children (if you have them) have the right to work in India, in China, in the USA, in South America? They must have an incredible number of nationalities and passports. Your apparent belief that we can go and work anywhere in the world without restrictions shows are informed you are on the issues. As well as UK employment law apparently. To make you happy though...the EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. what jobs? There aren't any. And be honest, how many of the 27 other countries do you think our children would want to work in? And if you think it is as easy to go and work in other EU countries as it is to come and work here then sorry, it is you who is ill informed" you are ill informed thee are jobs in the canaries both my wife and I and the young lady who rented our previous apartment have found jobs walk around and there is work to be found search social media and there is work to be found no harder than the UK once work has been found to start in fact easier as few references will be needed ...yes pay I less but with work contracts jobs are more secure ....... | |||
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" and isn't the world the worlds largest employment market? So, your children (if you have them) have the right to work in India, in China, in the USA, in South America? They must have an incredible number of nationalities and passports. Your apparent belief that we can go and work anywhere in the world without restrictions shows are informed you are on the issues. As well as UK employment law apparently. To make you happy though...the EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. what jobs? There aren't any. And be honest, how many of the 27 other countries do you think our children would want to work in? And if you think it is as easy to go and work in other EU countries as it is to come and work here then sorry, it is you who is ill informedyou are ill informed thee are jobs in the canaries both my wife and I and the young lady who rented our previous apartment have found jobs walk around and there is work to be found search social media and there is work to be found no harder than the UK once work has been found to start in fact easier as few references will be needed ...yes pay I less but with work contracts jobs are more secure ......." Yes but you are working illegaly aren't you? Unless you've got hold of a Residencia all of a sudden | |||
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"Yes to remain • The 5th biggest economy needs to 2nd biggest economy in the world • Workers and consumers rights hard won will be dismantled if Brexit wins • Staying in Europe means you get a seat at the table to shape the EU you want - out means paying the tariffs, obeying the rules without a vote on it's future direction Well I hope you get the 35000 Syrians and 12 million turks living next door to you if we don't vote to get out.Good luck • The EU could be more democratic but actually it's voting system is better then the first past the post system here in the UK • Brexit means the end of the UK as Scotland and Wales will eventually detach from the UK and rejoin the EU So a big fat honking yes to Europe, to open travel and markets to human and workers rights to co-operation on climate change and the biggest problems all Europeans face!" | |||
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" what jobs? There aren't any. And be honest, how many of the 27 other countries do you think our children would want to work in? And if you think it is as easy to go and work in other EU countries as it is to come and work here then sorry, it is you who is ill informed" that is very xenophobic.... there are at rough estimate about 2 million uk citizens taking advantage and working in the EU.... the one thing most of then do is learn another language.... which most schools in the rest of the EU do.... but people in the uk think is optional... | |||
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" And what are our contingency plants - again, nothing seems to have been issued." sorry to snip out the rest... but this is the most important thing for me.... whats plan b????? what happens if you don't get everything you want????? lets be realistic..... because without out, its a bit like the 350 mil a week claim, completely debunked!! | |||
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"When you see Blair,cameron,brown,corbyn,kinnock,obama all calling for the IN nerds and for us to stay in EU you just know it is wrong!. OUT!,OUT!,OUT!." Considering those backing the "Out" campaign, I'm not sure that argument stacks up particularly well! | |||
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"When you see Blair,cameron,brown,corbyn,kinnock,obama all calling for the IN nerds and for us to stay in EU you just know it is wrong!. OUT!,OUT!,OUT!. Considering those backing the "Out" campaign, I'm not sure that argument stacks up particularly well!" i think that is the first time i have heard people proud of being on the same same side of the arguement as bojo, gove, farage, putin, marine le pen and donald trump..... but hey ho!!!! | |||
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" and isn't the world the worlds largest employment market? So, your children (if you have them) have the right to work in India, in China, in the USA, in South America? They must have an incredible number of nationalities and passports. Your apparent belief that we can go and work anywhere in the world without restrictions shows are informed you are on the issues. As well as UK employment law apparently. To make you happy though...the EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. what jobs? There aren't any. And be honest, how many of the 27 other countries do you think our children would want to work in? And if you think it is as easy to go and work in other EU countries as it is to come and work here then sorry, it is you who is ill informed" You really do spout rubbish, don't you. I can't speak for any of your children obviously, but I hope that any young person would welcome the experience to open their mind and live and work abroad - and certainly in any of the other 27 member states of the EU (where they already have the right to work). Unless of course they had been brought up by xenophobic parents who believed that Britain had nothing to give or to gain from the rest of the world and hadn't the brains to see that in an ever globalising world, their kids having no international work experience or exposure would hamper their children's future opportunities. What jobs? There aren't any. Really, the EU job portal currently list OVER 1 MILLION JOB VACANCIES ACROSS THE EU. Brexit Project Complete Bollocks again. | |||
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" and isn't the world the worlds largest employment market? So, your children (if you have them) have the right to work in India, in China, in the USA, in South America? They must have an incredible number of nationalities and passports. Your apparent belief that we can go and work anywhere in the world without restrictions shows are informed you are on the issues. As well as UK employment law apparently. To make you happy though...the EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. what jobs? There aren't any. And be honest, how many of the 27 other countries do you think our children would want to work in? And if you think it is as easy to go and work in other EU countries as it is to come and work here then sorry, it is you who is ill informed You really do spout rubbish, don't you. I can't speak for any of your children obviously, but I hope that any young person would welcome the experience to open their mind and live and work abroad - and certainly in any of the other 27 member states of the EU (where they already have the right to work). Unless of course they had been brought up by xenophobic parents who believed that Britain had nothing to give or to gain from the rest of the world and hadn't the brains to see that in an ever globalising world, their kids having no international work experience or exposure would hamper their children's future opportunities. What jobs? There aren't any. Really, the EU job portal currently list OVER 1 MILLION JOB VACANCIES ACROSS THE EU. Brexit Project Complete Bollocks again. " lush. | |||
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" And what are our contingency plants - again, nothing seems to have been issued. sorry to snip out the rest... but this is the most important thing for me.... whats plan b????? what happens if you don't get everything you want????? lets be realistic..... because without out, its a bit like the 350 mil a week claim, completely debunked!!" Don't be silly! You know the Brexit plan. We leave the EU and the 27 countries unanimously (because each of those 27 countries have a veto on this) agree to give us whatever Boris and Farage want - full access to the biggest single market in the world worth nearly 25% of global GDP, no payments to the EU (actually they will probably PAY US to trade with us, because we are Great Britain and they need us much more than we need them) and no free movement of people but obviously our expats will have to be allowed to stay in their countries, because....well they are British. Yes, they will give us a much better deal than France or Germany has....after all, we are British. Leaders of the other 27 countries will probably let Boris shag their daughters for good measure, just to sweeten the deal..... Well, that's Brexit Plan A. They don't seem to have bothered developing a Plan B or C.... | |||
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"When you see Blair,cameron,brown,corbyn,kinnock,obama all calling for the IN nerds and for us to stay in EU you just know it is wrong!. OUT!,OUT!,OUT!." And the prime ministers of India, Japan, Canada, Australia and the IMF and the OECD.... Yes, let's hunker down in our bunker and ignore the rest of the free world. Why on earth should we listen to them.....we are Brexit and we know everything much better than these so-called global experts | |||
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"Sorry, not a one word answer, but Richard Dawkins reply just about sums up my feelings: "I am not entitled to an opinion on Brexit since I don't have a degree in economics or history. It is an outrage that ignoramuses like me are being asked to vote on such an important and complicated question which is way above our level of expertise. Nevertheless I shall vote to stay in Europe, applying the precautionary principle and because the arguments the leaving are mostly emotional, those for staying mostly rational and evidence-based. But I repeat, it is a disgrace that this important question has been put to plebiscite, apparently as a sop to UKIP-leaning members of the Tory party.. I believe in democracy but in parliamentary, representative democracy, not plebiscite democracy." The man is controversial but his intelligence is not in question. I've seen no evidence that Joe (or Joanne) Public is in any way qualified to decide on any other basis but an emotional one. You always have to consider who is providing the 'evidence' I personally have no idea who can be trusted to supply me with unbiased information. " Agree totally | |||
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" EU is the world's largest single employment market. It gives our children access to around 10 times more jobs than there are in the UK. I hope that any young person would welcome the experience to open their mind and live and work abroad - and certainly in any of the other 27 member states of the EU (where they already have the right to work). " Apologies for having editeed and shortend the original post - but this is the essence, this is one of the major reasons for me to advocate remaining in the EU. | |||
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