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over a year ago
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Do we need more nuclear power stations to supply UK with adequate power at "peak" times
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obviously wind turbine power is costing the whole of the UK money and cannot be relied on at peak times for "obvious" reasons
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so where do we get our electric power?
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Nuclear?
Wind?
Bio-Energy?
Hydroelectric?
Solar?
Oil?
coal?
gas?
should we put all our trust in France for Nuclear, or go it alone
any ideas folks
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well if anyone cares too sponsor me with a generous supply of Pringles and cheesy dips I'd be willing to spend the weekend cracking nuclear fusion.....
But in the unlikely event I get an offer too meet this weekend the deal is off......
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"Do we need more nuclear power stations to supply UK with adequate power at "peak" times
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obviously wind turbine power is costing the whole of the UK money and cannot be relied on at peak times for "obvious" reasons
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so where do we get our electric power?
.
Nuclear?
Wind?
Bio-Energy?
Hydroelectric?
Solar?
Oil?
coal?
gas?
should we put all our trust in France for Nuclear, or go it alone
any ideas folks
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Anything nature based but all systems have to be made in this country with steel supplied by our own steel mills thus saving our steel and manufacturing companies. All the installations should be undertaken by British companies thereby keeping all profits in this country so the tax paid goes to our government. Not so long ago (I think it was Germany or one of the Nordic countries but could be wrong) actually had a short period where the price of power went negative. We have plenty of wind and we're surrounded by tidal water so apart from the NIMBY's why aren't we self sufficient and benefiting our country as a whole? |
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over a year ago
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As we are completely surrounded by water you would think water power would be the way to go, I'm pretty sure we knocked up a water turbine in gcse science, but according to the powers that be it's more complicated than nuclear fusion so what do I know! 
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Anything nature based but all systems have to be made in this country with steel supplied by our own steel mills thus saving our steel and manufacturing companies. All the installations should be undertaken by British companies thereby keeping all profits in this country so the tax paid goes to our government. Not so long ago (I think it was Germany or one of the Nordic countries but could be wrong) actually had a short period where the price of power went negative. We have plenty of wind and we're surrounded by tidal water so apart from the NIMBY's why aren't we self sufficient and benefiting our country as a whole? "
WIND is absolutely no use for peak periods of demand nor is tidal at this moment |
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Anything nature based but all systems have to be made in this country with steel supplied by our own steel mills thus saving our steel and manufacturing companies. All the installations should be undertaken by British companies thereby keeping all profits in this country so the tax paid goes to our government. Not so long ago (I think it was Germany or one of the Nordic countries but could be wrong) actually had a short period where the price of power went negative. We have plenty of wind and we're surrounded by tidal water so apart from the NIMBY's why aren't we self sufficient and benefiting our country as a whole?
WIND is absolutely no use for peak periods of demand nor is tidal at this moment"
Hydro electric for peak demand.I'm no scientist but is there no way of storing surplus power to be used later? Some forms of green energy are 24 hr so if no one uses it is it just wasted? |
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We've got loads of solar farms going up round us at the moment. I'm all for them, and tidal lagoons too. Less keen on wind power, unless its off-shore. But yeah - guess we'll always need something as a back-up for peak demand. Prefer we stuck to gas than nucear for that though.
Or we could just go for free and easy wireless energy. Where's Tesla when you need him? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Anything nature based but all systems have to be made in this country with steel supplied by our own steel mills thus saving our steel and manufacturing companies. All the installations should be undertaken by British companies thereby keeping all profits in this country so the tax paid goes to our government. Not so long ago (I think it was Germany or one of the Nordic countries but could be wrong) actually had a short period where the price of power went negative. We have plenty of wind and we're surrounded by tidal water so apart from the NIMBY's why aren't we self sufficient and benefiting our country as a whole?
WIND is absolutely no use for peak periods of demand nor is tidal at this moment"
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You say peak, you mean base load?
Wind generated electricity is currently the cheapest in the UK, in fact it costs half yes half less than the electric that will be produced by hinkley!.
We've left it a bit too late for nuclear the planning/build time is about 10-15 years!.
What we need is to concentrate on renewables and quickly and look to reducing usage |
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By (user no longer on site)
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EDF can't make the reactor planned for the UK work. Their finance director recently resigned as he thought it would damage the company far too much if they continue with it.
The government ought to get its finger out, and invest some of our money in a UK designed and built power station. We managed it in the 1950's so I am sure we can still do it. |
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I used to work for development for the grid so this is something I'm quite passionate about. Make no mistake the energy crisis is on the verge of been a full on disaster if we do not move on with our nuclear projects. Yes the interconnectors can pull in a little more but not enough to cover the CCGT stations we are closing.
Solar, wind, biomass (on large scale) just forget them. Our demand is only going one way and the technology is not moving forward. We have very few answers left for us. Ideally there would be a massive investment in tidal (predictable and constant) nut the greens put halt to the last barrage that was tested due to effecting the ecosystem in there. We can carry on relying on the coal stations but the existing problems are still there (pollution/lack of resource/incread cost of fuel) so leaves us with one realistic solution. And we are back where we started, nuclear!! |
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"I used to work for development for the grid so this is something I'm quite passionate about. Make no mistake the energy crisis is on the verge of been a full on disaster if we do not move on with our nuclear projects. Yes the interconnectors can pull in a little more but not enough to cover the CCGT stations we are closing.
Solar, wind, biomass (on large scale) just forget them. Our demand is only going one way and the technology is not moving forward. We have very few answers left for us. Ideally there would be a massive investment in tidal (predictable and constant) nut the greens put halt to the last barrage that was tested due to effecting the ecosystem in there. We can carry on relying on the coal stations but the existing problems are still there (pollution/lack of resource/incread cost of fuel) so leaves us with one realistic solution. And we are back where we started, nuclear!! "
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£97 a mwh puts hinkley at the most expensive nuclear generated electricity anywhere in the world!.
Now let's get serious, we've just signed the Paris accord, that means we're going to have to cut c02 emissions by 80% in just 14 years!.
The first start should by a carbon tax that will rise steadily every year, this will allow capitalism and enterprise to do what they do best! |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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There is no such thing as British energy, it was all sold off to the EU countries we subsidise. I am all for wind, solar and hydroelectric power. As others have said, Nuclear power for the rest. Unfortunately, EDF can't even afford to build Hinckley point, never mind make the damn thing work.
The French unions have six seats on the EDF board and are attempting to scrap the deal before it bankrupts the company |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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long term the answer is fusion as it is clean and endless, they have cracked it on a minute scale but currently takes more energy to make it work than it gives. The current trend is for huge battery "energy" barns which will store excess production from solar and wind and feed it back into the grid at peak demand, we are currently in discussions to have one of these just waiting for Nat grid to get their finger out with the connection, its a nice little earner and takes up very little room compared to solar which we have four within a couple of miles, love the big wind farms we see in France when we travel through. To those that object to energy plans I just say thats fine disconnect yourselves from the grid and then the projects dont need constructing |
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"I used to work for development for the grid so this is something I'm quite passionate about. Make no mistake the energy crisis is on the verge of been a full on disaster if we do not move on with our nuclear projects. Yes the interconnectors can pull in a little more but not enough to cover the CCGT stations we are closing.
Solar, wind, biomass (on large scale) just forget them. Our demand is only going one way and the technology is not moving forward. We have very few answers left for us. Ideally there would be a massive investment in tidal (predictable and constant) nut the greens put halt to the last barrage that was tested due to effecting the ecosystem in there. We can carry on relying on the coal stations but the existing problems are still there (pollution/lack of resource/incread cost of fuel) so leaves us with one realistic solution. And we are back where we started, nuclear!! "
Exactly
and you cant simply turn on the wind or sun to provide power at peak demand times such as 6/7am in morning, the power must be available to feed high demand times  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"use less electric .... now there's a radical thought
The whole country already is, some councils are even shutting off street lights
pffff"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do we need more nuclear power stations to supply UK with adequate power at "peak" times
.
obviously wind turbine power is costing the whole of the UK money and cannot be relied on at peak times for "obvious" reasons
.
so where do we get our electric power?
.
Nuclear?
Wind?
Bio-Energy?
Hydroelectric?
Solar?
Oil?
coal?
gas?
should we put all our trust in France for Nuclear, or go it alone
any ideas folks
Anything nature based but all systems have to be made in this country with steel supplied by our own steel mills thus saving our steel and manufacturing companies. All the installations should be undertaken by British companies thereby keeping all profits in this country so the tax paid goes to our government. Not so long ago (I think it was Germany or one of the Nordic countries but could be wrong) actually had a short period where the price of power went negative. We have plenty of wind and we're surrounded by tidal water so apart from the NIMBY's why aren't we self sufficient and benefiting our country as a whole? "
Remember when they started making wind turbine blades on the isle of Wight? Then suddenly they weren't allowed to. Production moved to Germany. #voteleave. |
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"Remember when they started making wind turbine blades on the isle of Wight? Then suddenly they weren't allowed to. Production moved to Germany. #voteleave."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-31145066
Danish firm brings jobs back to UK
#voteremain?
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Anything nature based but all systems have to be made in this country with steel supplied by our own steel mills thus saving our steel and manufacturing companies. All the installations should be undertaken by British companies thereby keeping all profits in this country so the tax paid goes to our government. Not so long ago (I think it was Germany or one of the Nordic countries but could be wrong) actually had a short period where the price of power went negative. We have plenty of wind and we're surrounded by tidal water so apart from the NIMBY's why aren't we self sufficient and benefiting our country as a whole?
WIND is absolutely no use for peak periods of demand nor is tidal at this moment
Hydro electric for peak demand.I'm no scientist but is there no way of storing surplus power to be used later? Some forms of green energy are 24 hr so if no one uses it is it just wasted?"
Look at new zealand |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I used to work for development for the grid so this is something I'm quite passionate about. Make no mistake the energy crisis is on the verge of been a full on disaster if we do not move on with our nuclear projects. Yes the interconnectors can pull in a little more but not enough to cover the CCGT stations we are closing.
Solar, wind, biomass (on large scale) just forget them. Our demand is only going one way and the technology is not moving forward. We have very few answers left for us. Ideally there would be a massive investment in tidal (predictable and constant) nut the greens put halt to the last barrage that was tested due to effecting the ecosystem in there. We can carry on relying on the coal stations but the existing problems are still there (pollution/lack of resource/incread cost of fuel) so leaves us with one realistic solution. And we are back where we started, nuclear!!
Exactly
and you cant simply turn on the wind or sun to provide power at peak demand times such as 6/7am in morning, the power must be available to feed high demand times "
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Firstly it's very easy to alter demand times, peak demand is between 3 pm and 6pm where you have a crossover between household and commercial.
What your actually referring to is base load, where a minority percentage generation that is constant!.
It really makes no odds what you bang on about, the fact of the matter is we need to reduce c02 emissions or face catastrophe in 40 years time?.
Now sure could go nuclear, however there's a long lag like pointed out before between saying we'll do it, and actually generating from it, about 10-15 years, which is way beyond any crises we're gonna face in generation, so the fact of the matter is were stuck with renewables whether you like it or not.
Faced with this consequence... Just fucking build renewables |
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Excess power is stored in large battery farms for when it's needed.. although these are expensive and large... the real money will be with whoever comes up with a smaller and less expensive way of storing this excess..
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"Excess power is stored in large battery farms for when it's needed.. although these are expensive and large... the real money will be with whoever comes up with a smaller and less expensive way of storing this excess..
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home storage is already a reality |
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"Excess power is stored in large battery farms for when it's needed.. although these are expensive and large... the real money will be with whoever comes up with a smaller and less expensive way of storing this excess..
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That's why I said before that the first move should be a carbon tax thus putting the wheels off capitalism and enterprise in motion.
Once you make carbon expensive, the entrepreneurial instinct will kick in and hopefully will give you things we can only say at the moment.... Oh it won't work |
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"Do we need more nuclear power stations to supply UK with adequate power at "peak" times
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obviously wind turbine power is costing the whole of the UK money and cannot be relied on at peak times for "obvious" reasons
.
so where do we get our electric power?
.
Nuclear?
Wind?
Bio-Energy?
Hydroelectric?
should we put all our trust in France for Nuclear, or go it alone
any ideas folks
Anything nature based but all systems have to be made in this country with steel supplied by our own steel mills thus saving our steel and manufacturing companies. All the installations should be undertaken by British companies thereby keeping all profits in this country so the tax paid goes to our government. Not so long ago (I think it was Germany or one of the Nordic countries but could be wrong) actually had a short period where the price of power went negative. We have plenty of wind and we're surrounded by tidal water so apart from the NIMBY's why aren't we self sufficient and benefiting our country as a whole? "
Totally agree but eu rules would not allow it vote leave |
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The French nuclear deal seems a mess - we carry the risks, they mess about, incompetent and could make a tidy packet.
We have squandered a lot of opportunities to increase our green energy scale and should refocus on that, using power companies profits for it. Much more localised generation, without the same need for long distance transmission.
I don't know the costs of each but nuclear is expensive, when government subsidies are included.
We must cut our emissions quickly so polluting generation must reduce quickly. |
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