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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Over the last few years I have noticed that all the original big issue sellers have now turned into Eastern European women sellers.

Have we had an mafia type take over in this cut throat business ? Thought it was a way for homeless folk to earn a few quid for food n drink ?

Where has all these folk gone to ? Is this a deliberate act of discrimination against the uk homeless ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Perhaps the turn-over of sellers you notice is an indication some may have found jobs and homes....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Must be a regional thing. Ours in London are all well dressed, middle aged men speaking the Queen's.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Hope so but surely not all , or is this just a Nottingham Leicester "thing"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Nottingham must be more vibrant in the job market than I thought

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hope so but surely not all , or is this just a Nottingham Leicester "thing""

Have you gotten in touch with the Big Issue to request they move the English ones to your location? May help you out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Over the last few years I have noticed that all the original big issue sellers have now turned into Eastern European women sellers.

Have we had an mafia type take over in this cut throat business ? Thought it was a way for homeless folk to earn a few quid for food n drink ?

Where has all these folk gone to ? Is this a deliberate act of discrimination against the uk homeless ?"

Its the same near me, and yes I was thinking the same and as for the original sellers getting jobs...that doesn't add up here as most looked unemployable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Over the last few years I have noticed that all the original big issue sellers have now turned into Eastern European women sellers.

Have we had an mafia type take over in this cut throat business ? Thought it was a way for homeless folk to earn a few quid for food n drink ?

Where has all these folk gone to ? Is this a deliberate act of discrimination against the uk homeless ?

Its the same near me, and yes I was thinking the same and as for the original sellers getting jobs...that doesn't add up here as most looked unemployable"

What about death? If they looked that rough, they must've been on their way out.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

The lady here is eastern europeans but the.last two ive had dealings with have both been british white guys around.40 and one was in leicester

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Yea agree I think they have been muscled out , love to know if anyone has reasons or facts of why

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Death oh dear they look untidy but that was due to their circumstances I thought , maybe a few but not all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wonder what a Big Issue seller earns in Nottingham and if it's really of interest to the "mafia". I doubt it's enough to contribute to laundering.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Over the last few years I have noticed that all the original big issue sellers have now turned into Eastern European women sellers.

Have we had an mafia type take over in this cut throat business ? Thought it was a way for homeless folk to earn a few quid for food n drink ?

Where has all these folk gone to ? Is this a deliberate act of discrimination against the uk homeless ?

Its the same near me, and yes I was thinking the same and as for the original sellers getting jobs...that doesn't add up here as most looked unemployable

What about death? If they looked that rough, they must've been on their way out. "

Now that is a possibility.... But I'm not going as far as to say the eastern Europeans have done then in

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The lady here is eastern europeans but the.last two ive had dealings with have both been british white guys around.40 and one was in leicester"

I seen no British sellers for an age , I appreciate that I not seen all big sellers so can only call what I see but it's not good that the homeless lost out ,

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

And i tell you what op if you still work where you used to one of the.guys stands about 10ft from your work place, go introduce yourself, buy him a coffee he takes it black no sugar

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Over the last few years I have noticed that all the original big issue sellers have now turned into Eastern European women sellers.

Have we had an mafia type take over in this cut throat business ? Thought it was a way for homeless folk to earn a few quid for food n drink ?

Where has all these folk gone to ? Is this a deliberate act of discrimination against the uk homeless ?

Its the same near me, and yes I was thinking the same and as for the original sellers getting jobs...that doesn't add up here as most looked unemployable

What about death? If they looked that rough, they must've been on their way out.

Now that is a possibility.... But I'm not going as far as to say the eastern Europeans have done then in

Must be a reason , I fear we know the reason . Scared away

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Same here, except one is a woman one is a guy. They've sadly been homeless for at least 10 years now as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Over the last few years I have noticed that all the original big issue sellers have now turned into Eastern European women sellers.

Have we had an mafia type take over in this cut throat business ? Thought it was a way for homeless folk to earn a few quid for food n drink ?

Where has all these folk gone to ? Is this a deliberate act of discrimination against the uk homeless ?

Its the same near me, and yes I was thinking the same and as for the original sellers getting jobs...that doesn't add up here as most looked unemployable

What about death? If they looked that rough, they must've been on their way out.

Now that is a possibility.... But I'm not going as far as to say the eastern Europeans have done then in

Must be a reason , I fear we know the reason . Scared away"

But why? What's the benefit of choosing Big Issue and not a better source of income?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Probably due to the eu and equal opertunities and all that

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"And i tell you what op if you still work where you used to one of the.guys stands about 10ft from your work place, go introduce yourself, buy him a coffee he takes it black no sugar"

Thank u will do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably due to the eu and equal opertunities and all that"

Aren't they independent contractors? What's the EU got to do with stopping others from doing it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tell you what....its quite expensive now it used to be a quid its around 3quid now.....someone is making a lot of money off the sellers

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction "

Unfortunately there was a few with issues but I understand sometimes that drugs and homeless will go together , very tough life style but it was a great opportunity for folk to earn and hopefully move forward to better things

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tell you what....its quite expensive now it used to be a quid its around 3quid now.....someone is making a lot of money off the sellers"

How much do each mag make for the seller is it 50/50

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tell you what....its quite expensive now it used to be a quid its around 3quid now.....someone is making a lot of money off the sellers"

It's £2.50, the sellers get £1.25. It's a foundation. The foundation receives a lot of money off the sellers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Used to buy the mag all the time as o wanted to support the homeless but stopped buying as I think the Eastern European woman are not homeless and couldn't understand why the British sellers moved on

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Tell you what....its quite expensive now it used to be a quid its around 3quid now.....someone is making a lot of money off the sellers

It's £2.50, the sellers get £1.25. It's a foundation. The foundation receives a lot of money off the sellers. "

Thanks for the update , appeticated

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

Why would it be loaded question , I just was curious why the British homeless was moved off ,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The foundation helps homeless people in lots of ways, it's where their £1.25 goes. The seller keeps theirs for their own needs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tell you what....its quite expensive now it used to be a quid its around 3quid now.....someone is making a lot of money off the sellers

It's £2.50, the sellers get £1.25. It's a foundation. The foundation receives a lot of money off the sellers. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

Why would it be loaded question , I just was curious why the British homeless was moved off , "

You know anyone can be a seller, as long as they're homeless? Perhaps you should be asking why the British homeless you do see aren't motivated to become Big Issue sellers yet the immigrants you do see are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The foundation helps homeless people in lots of ways, it's where their £1.25 goes. The seller keeps theirs for their own needs. "

A I right in thinking they have to pay the £1.25 up front before they sell them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

Why would it be loaded question , I just was curious why the British homeless was moved off ,

Maybe that is the reason , is that what you believe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably due to the eu and equal opertunities and all that

Aren't they independent contractors? What's the EU got to do with stopping others from doing it?"

I'm guessing the foundation (being a large one) has to provide equal opportunities to all eu residents that are proposed to the homeless. Over time the easter Europeans come in one by one, establish 'gangs' with a bad attitude and the nationals get pushed away or even leave due to hostility or who knows what.

I may be wrong though.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Tell you what....its quite expensive now it used to be a quid its around 3quid now.....someone is making a lot of money off the sellers

It's £2.50, the sellers get £1.25. It's a foundation. The foundation receives a lot of money off the sellers.

Thanks for the update , appeticated"
much easier to ask the.seller themselves

Its very interesting to learn why some have fallen on hard times.

I purposely seek them out as i dont.give to a homeless charity i want to have hands on where my money goes. So i ask the individual what they need then.go and buy it

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The foundation helps homeless people in lots of ways, it's where their £1.25 goes. The seller keeps theirs for their own needs.

A I right in thinking they have to pay the £1.25 up front before they sell them?"

Do you have a quota to buy and a allotted number of sellers per town or city

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

Why would it be loaded question , I just was curious why the British homeless was moved off ,

Maybe that is the reason , is that what you believe "

What I've said is a fact, anyone can be one as long as homeless or in financial distress.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably due to the eu and equal opertunities and all that

Aren't they independent contractors? What's the EU got to do with stopping others from doing it?

I may be wrong though."

Yeh you're wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

Why would it be loaded question , I just was curious why the British homeless was moved off , "

I never suggested you were asking a loaded question...... I simply made it clear there was no hidden agenda in my question.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

Why would it be loaded question , I just was curious why the British homeless was moved off ,

Maybe that is the reason , is that what you believe

What I've said is a fact, anyone can be one as long as homeless or in financial distress. "

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The foundation helps homeless people in lots of ways, it's where their £1.25 goes. The seller keeps theirs for their own needs.

A I right in thinking they have to pay the £1.25 up front before they sell them?

Do you have a quota to buy and a allotted number of sellers per town or city"

When you become a seller, they help you with free copies. You can buy as many as you want when you start buying them to sell.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"OP...... do you buy the Big Issue...

This is not a loaded question btw... just curious..

Why would it be loaded question , I just was curious why the British homeless was moved off ,

I never suggested you were asking a loaded question...... I simply made it clear there was no hidden agenda in my question.....

Apologise for the miss read

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The foundation helps homeless people in lots of ways, it's where their £1.25 goes. The seller keeps theirs for their own needs.

A I right in thinking they have to pay the £1.25 up front before they sell them?

Do you have a quota to buy and a allotted number of sellers per town or city

When you become a seller, they help you with free copies. You can buy as many as you want when you start buying them to sell. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The foundation helps homeless people in lots of ways, it's where their £1.25 goes. The seller keeps theirs for their own needs.

A I right in thinking they have to pay the £1.25 up front before they sell them?

Do you have a quota to buy and a allotted number of sellers per town or city

When you become a seller, they help you with free copies. You can buy as many as you want when you start buying them to sell. "

So u need to buy them first from the supply ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The foundation helps homeless people in lots of ways, it's where their £1.25 goes. The seller keeps theirs for their own needs.

A I right in thinking they have to pay the £1.25 up front before they sell them?

Do you have a quota to buy and a allotted number of sellers per town or city

When you become a seller, they help you with free copies. You can buy as many as you want when you start buying them to sell.

So u need to buy them first from the supply ?"

At first, they give you free copies to get you up and started. When you run out, you buy more at £1.25 and sell for £2.50.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably due to the eu and equal opertunities and all that

Aren't they independent contractors? What's the EU got to do with stopping others from doing it?

I may be wrong though.

Yeh you're wrong. "

Thought you might say that.

So the answer is?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

May I ask why you jumped to the conclusion that British sellers have been muscled out by immigrants instead of looking into the foundation first?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably due to the eu and equal opertunities and all that

Aren't they independent contractors? What's the EU got to do with stopping others from doing it?

I may be wrong though.

Yeh you're wrong.

Thought you might say that.

So the answer is?"

That any homeless person, or anyone in extreme financial situations, can be a seller. I did answer elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Same in ayr all Romanian

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"May I ask why you jumped to the conclusion that British sellers have been muscled out by immigrants instead of looking into the foundation first?"

Muscled out was a throw away remark and my question was based upon the numbers of Eastern European lady sellers ( never male ) and the lack of British big issue sellers and the fact it disappoints me to see the opportunity the homeless had to generate money been removed or taken from them

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Same in ayr all Romanian "

Male or female Romanian ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May I ask why you jumped to the conclusion that British sellers have been muscled out by immigrants instead of looking into the foundation first?

Now that you know that British homeless people have the same ability to buy and sell Big Issue copies, do you still believe that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yea I get that. But where did the British homeless that we were used to seeing all the time go? There arnt as many doing it any more for some reason.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not just sold in Britain....

Apparently it's the world's most widely circulated street newspaper helping homeless of many nations..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yea I get that. But where did the British homeless that we were used to seeing all the time go? There arnt as many doing it any more for some reason."

You're asking a question that can't be answered. There are British people selling it, there are immigrants selling it. Why is it a bad thing to see people making what is literally pocket change to most?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"May I ask why you jumped to the conclusion that British sellers have been muscled out by immigrants instead of looking into the foundation first?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just had a little research and read a couple of articles,one quoting IDS,saying that Romanians and other Easter European Big Issue sellers found that because they buy the magazines before selling them they can be self employed and claim housing benefits.

So,they aren't actually homeless,just have a shit job.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Not just sold in Britain....

Apparently it's the world's most widely circulated street newspaper helping homeless of many nations..

Wow never knew that . It's such a great way of helping out folk who are trying to get out of poverty

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things? "

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Probably due to the eu and equal opertunities and all that

Aren't they independent contractors? What's the EU got to do with stopping others from doing it?"

They are deemed as self employed and you know what fair play to them...regardless if they are British or EEA workers they are paying into our tax system and EEA who have job seekers status are not eligible for housing or benefits so may very well be homeless also...everybody deserves a bit of help

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Just had a little research and read a couple of articles,one quoting IDS,saying that Romanians and other Easter European Big Issue sellers found that because they buy the magazines before selling them they can be self employed and claim housing benefits.

So,they aren't actually homeless,just have a shit job. "

Some are homeless as SOME don't qualify for HB

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So,they aren't actually homeless,just have a shit job. "

That is also the potential benefit British homeless people would receive from becoming a seller. It's not solely for immigrants.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One article about it. There were quite a few : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/8306850/Romanian-immigrants-sell-Big-Issue-to-gain-benefits.html

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home."

Just want to see that the British homeless had the same opportunity

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home."

Oh right! I wasn't aware that a person's race was relevant to their need but thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home."

Who has been affected negatively? You've already stated you're just guessing at what could be wrong, why are you still guessing erroneously?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home.

Just want to see that the British homeless had the same opportunity"

What discrimination are you supposing might have occurred?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yea I get that. But where did the British homeless that we were used to seeing all the time go? There arnt as many doing it any more for some reason.

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By *xxxMan over a year ago

Bedford & Chester

I blame the EU, coming over here taking our jobs

vote leave!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So,they aren't actually homeless,just have a shit job.

That is also the potential benefit British homeless people would receive from becoming a seller. It's not solely for immigrants. "

Are they actually homeless British people or using it to claim benefits? I don't see any British people selling it now so I can't ask them.

How can you come to a country with no job to go to-which a few MPS said you would need - and sell a magazine meant to help the homeless,and then claim housing benefit and tax credits. It goes against the principles of the magazine to me.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home.

Just want to see that the British homeless had the same opportunity

What discrimination are you supposing might have occurred? "

Just the criminal type who use others for there own greed .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yea I get that. But where did the British homeless that we were used to seeing all the time go? There arnt as many doing it any more for some reason.

You now know that British homeless people could still sell and it's not quota based, and that the "foreigners" have sought work via the Big Issue. Why are you still intent on it being because the foreigners got rid of all the British sellers, instead of just being more motivated to sell and the British choosing not to?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home."
detriment to who? ANY one can sell the big issue. If your not seeing british people selling its cause.they dont want to know other reason

The same opportunity is.there for.all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On another note, I think this convo is best had in the pub over a few. First rounds on me whose coming?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"One article about it. There were quite a few : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/8306850/Romanian-immigrants-sell-Big-Issue-to-gain-benefits.html

Thanks and all information is great so we can have a debate that everyone can feel free to add their thoughts views without fear .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So,they aren't actually homeless,just have a shit job.

That is also the potential benefit British homeless people would receive from becoming a seller. It's not solely for immigrants.

Are they actually homeless British people or using it to claim benefits? I don't see any British people selling it now so I can't ask them.

I only know one seller, but I know the foundation very well. It has a high number of homeless sellers (they make up the majority). It helps everyone who is homeless or in financial need. It's a stepping stone, it's not a career - they make £1.25 per sale.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"On another note, I think this convo is best had in the pub over a few. First rounds on me whose coming?"

Yay it worked my subject was nothing to do with big issue just to get a few fab mates to the pub to have a laugh share a smile watch sky sports and enjoy life , I will get round two in ... Orders please

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry but I did notice a high number of drug users were doing it years ago around Manchester yes maybe homeless but the money didn't seem to be to move in the right direction

And we don't want eastern europeans to move forward to better things?

Ofcourse we do, but not when it's to the detriment of others closer to home.

Just want to see that the British homeless had the same opportunity

What discrimination are you supposing might have occurred?

Just the criminal type who use others for there own greed . "

As someone said earlier, there are allocated numbers of spots given - you're saying gangs have intimidating the big issue organisation to give those spots to eastern europeans?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

sorry to say the british beggar has become another casualty of the european migration policy !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm fucking dumbfounded that anyone would begrudge a seller £1.25, British or not. It's not easy and it's hardly worth the effort for most people. They earn it and should be commended for trying.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I know the regular big issues in Brum and the majority are British....Think people need to read up on eligibility of homelessness and HB instead of relying on newspaper articles and simple guess work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"sorry to say the british beggar has become another casualty of the european migration policy !

Don't worry, we still breed our own homeless.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So,they aren't actually homeless,just have a shit job.

That is also the potential benefit British homeless people would receive from becoming a seller. It's not solely for immigrants.

Are they actually homeless British people or using it to claim benefits? I don't see any British people selling it now so I can't ask them.

Thank u for the information . It's a start and bigger better things will come from this

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Yea I get that. But where did the British homeless that we were used to seeing all the time go? There arnt as many doing it any more for some reason.

not a bad thing. But it is strange seeing foreigners taking the exact places of our own needy. Unless the nationals are doing ok now then happy days, but I doubt that is the case. Homelessness numbers haven't really dropped. And I do know for a fact that there are foreign gangs actively taking advantage of our system to the detriment of our own."
where do you live? If you live in am.area that has a high ethnic community you will see more than an area that doesnt. We dont have homeless people here the lady comes on the train from leicester.

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By * e coupleCouple over a year ago

northeast

Have friends in Leicester . They knew a issue seller was british white guy . He was warned off by gang of east Europeans with knives . He fled never to be seen again .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Knock knock! -'who's there?'

'Big ish'

'Big ish who?'

'Sorry mate, haven't any change'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yea I get that. But where did the British homeless that we were used to seeing all the time go? There arnt as many doing it any more for some reason.

I don't know who "our own" are. Anyone who thinks they are in the same group as me just because they happened to be born in the same country is sorely mistaken.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have friends in Leicester . They knew a issue seller was british white guy . He was warned off by gang of east Europeans with knives . He fled never to be seen again ."

Lol rubbish!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have friends in Leicester . They knew a issue seller was british white guy . He was warned off by gang of east Europeans with knives . He fled never to be seen again ."

But he told everyone what happened just before be fled?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One article about it. There were quite a few : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/8306850/Romanian-immigrants-sell-Big-Issue-to-gain-benefits.html

Thanks and all information is great so we can have a debate that everyone can feel free to add their thoughts views without fear . "

The Big Issue Wiki page gives an un bias insight into the history and the on-going scope of the foundation ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ye we all know that the British are lazy(shhh) so if there is competition on the same street corner then most likely pack up and go. So people are coming in and taking advantage of that. And I guarantee most of them are part of gangs where the money goes to one pot funding God know what.

Then again I may be wrong

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"One article about it. There were quite a few : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/8306850/Romanian-immigrants-sell-Big-Issue-to-gain-benefits.html

Thanks and all information is great so we can have a debate that everyone

can feel free to add their thoughts views without fear .

The Big Issue Wiki page gives an un bias insight into the history and the on-going scope of the foundation ..

Thank u

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On another note, I think this convo is best had in the pub over a few. First rounds on me whose coming?

Mission accomplished, I'll have a guineas pls

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ye we all know that the British are lazy(shhh) so if there is competition on the same street corner then most likely pack up and go. So people are coming in and taking advantage of that. And I guarantee most of them are part of gangs where the money goes to one pot funding God know what.

Then again I may be wrong

I'm just curious how so many people manage to be homeless in a country with free education, free healthcare, social housing and job seekers allowance...

Unless they are addicted to something...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

I'm just curious how so many people manage to be homeless in a country with free education, free healthcare, social housing and job seekers allowance...

Unless they are addicted to something..."

Mental health is a big problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?"

Obviously these are the gangs that have integrity and don't want to get involved in prostitution. Maybe they are religious gangs?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"On another note, I think this convo is best had in the pub over a few. First rounds on me whose coming?

Mission accomplished, I'll have a guineas pls"

Sorted my good man , trust u enjoy watching sky sports . T20 and rugby league !!! Anymore orders to turn this debate into a drink smile time ( we can carry on this subject after a few drinks ) then we are all experts with alcohol !!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?"

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

Then again I may be wrong

I'm just curious how so many people manage to be homeless in a country with free education, free healthcare, social housing and job seekers allowance...

Unless they are addicted to something..."
why not ask a big issue seller they all have a story

Ive found that amongst the ypunger ones alot have come out the care system

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

I'm just curious how so many people manage to be homeless in a country with free education, free healthcare, social housing and job seekers allowance...

Unless they are addicted to something...

Mental health is a big problem. "

Yea very true and it needs addressing and supporting , no one should be on the streets and no one should be left vulnerable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

not a bad thing. But it is strange seeing foreigners taking the exact places of our own needy. Unless the nationals are doing ok now then happy days, but I doubt that is the case. Homelessness numbers haven't really dropped. And I do know for a fact that there are foreign gangs actively taking advantage of our system to the detriment of our own.where do you live? If you live in am.area that has a high ethnic community you will see more than an area that doesnt. We dont have homeless people here the lady comes on the train from leicester."

London, yes that is true. But they will always go to the bigger cities as there is more opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?"

I'm not saying it's gangs but these people beg with children on the underground and on the streets,they pick through bins and gardens for scrap metal. They have come from somewhere that has nothing to offer them and came with nothing,they are doing what they need and what we provide,to survive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it. "

I did, the Romanian mentioned seems to be a sole case, I suspect there's really not that many more given the circulation of 175000 per week.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

I'm just curious how so many people manage to be homeless in a country with free education, free healthcare, social housing and job seekers allowance...

Unless they are addicted to something...why not ask a big issue seller they all have a story

Ive found that amongst the ypunger ones alot have come out the care system"

I did a couple of times. The ones I spoke to were alcoholics. I'm not really interested in their self pity to be honest. My work takes me to countries where I see real poverty. As in people that sleep rough after working a 90 hour week because they'd rather save more money to send home to their family than rent a room for the night.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it. "

Do you know what the margins on pimping are?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

not a bad thing. But it is strange seeing foreigners taking the exact places of our own needy. Unless the nationals are doing ok now then happy days, but I doubt that is the case. Homelessness numbers haven't really dropped. And I do know for a fact that there are foreign gangs actively taking advantage of our system to the detriment of our own.where do you live? If you live in am.area that has a high ethnic community you will see more than an area that doesnt. We dont have homeless people here the lady comes on the train from leicester.

London, yes that is true. But they will always go to the bigger cities as there is more opportunity."
right well go to smaller towns or down south then see if its more eatern europens or not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

Obviously these are the gangs that have integrity and don't want to get involved in prostitution. Maybe they are religious gangs? "

It's the ladies of the WI that concern me the most ...them and flower arranging circle..

Those Vicars tea parties are just a front ....... there's more going on than simply swapping macaroon recipes..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

Obviously these are the gangs that have integrity and don't want to get involved in prostitution. Maybe they are religious gangs?

It's the ladies of the WI that concern me the most ...them and flower arranging circle..

Those Vicars tea parties are just a front ....... there's more going on than simply swapping macaroon recipes..

Bloody knew it , just a front ..... Next you be telling us that the girl guides are not what they say!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One article about it. There were quite a few : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/romania/8306850/Romanian-immigrants-sell-Big-Issue-to-gain-benefits.html

Thanks and all information is great so we can have a debate that everyone can feel free to add their thoughts views without fear . "

My thoughts are if everyone is able to do the same,to help them get somewhere to live,I'm all for it. You don't have to be on the street to be homeless,or not working do you? You can have a job and lose your home?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

Do you know what the margins on pimping are? "

Why would I know that and how is it relevant? Have I missed something?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

"
thanks.for that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

Do you know what the margins on pimping are?

Why would I know that and how is it relevant? Have I missed something? "

Apparently eastern European gangs are forcing the British homeless away from selling the big issue.

Most gangs are attracted to highly profitable activities such as drug dealing and prostitution. We are supposed to believe that gangs are interested in doing this and making £1.25 per copy than ~£60 an hour per girl from pimping - er I think

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

thanks.for that

Water off this ducks back...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

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By * e coupleCouple over a year ago

northeast

I'm afraid some people live in a bubble . When it bursts they will realise what's going on .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

thanks.for that

Your welcome.....just my opinipn

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

Total rubbish - why can't you challenge any topic or subject that someone uses the racist chant , total utter rubbish . The question was around why are there no more British homeless folk and why is it just female Eastern European women that sells . Folk are just debating the reasons for and against and we have all learnt things we didn't know ( I thought that was all part of the forum ) as for racist stop it and go wobble ur head your d*unk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

Do you know what the margins on pimping are?

Why would I know that and how is it relevant? Have I missed something?

Apparently eastern European gangs are forcing the British homeless away from selling the big issue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm afraid some people live in a bubble . When it bursts they will realise what's going on . "

Yeah well we can't all get the inside story from people like you that once knew a man who had a dog and his friend told him something about someone.

The rest of us have to make do with facts and logic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's been an interesting thread....

I've learned things from it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

Phrases like "our own" get people's backs up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

Aw I do know what I'm talking about.

You're just upset cos you're wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

Do you know what the margins on pimping are?

Why would I know that and how is it relevant? Have I missed something?

Apparently eastern European gangs are forcing the British homeless away from selling the big issue.

That's not a gang!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

I did, the Romanian mentioned seems to be a sole case, I suspect there's really not that many more given the circulation of 175000 per week. "

I think it's more noticeable in areas where there is high immigration. They found a loophole and used it. It's better than prostituting themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just caught up on this and its riddled with racism by the majority...and jumped on by others with the exclusion of andipeters who seems to know what she's talking about. Well done girl

Well as you have called a teetotaler d*unk! That speaks loads on your judgement

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have friends in Leicester . They knew a issue seller was british white guy . He was warned off by gang of east Europeans with knives . He fled never to be seen again ."

that sucks. hope hes ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have friends in Leicester . They knew a issue seller was british white guy . He was warned off by gang of east Europeans with knives . He fled never to be seen again .

that sucks. hope hes ok"

He clearly doesn't even exist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Goodfellas would've been shit if all they did was move Big Issues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

not a bad thing. But it is strange seeing foreigners taking the exact places of our own needy. Unless the nationals are doing ok now then happy days, but I doubt that is the case. Homelessness numbers haven't really dropped. And I do know for a fact that there are foreign gangs actively taking advantage of our system to the detriment of our own.where do you live? If you live in am.area that has a high ethnic community you will see more than an area that doesnt. We dont have homeless people here the lady comes on the train from leicester.

London, yes that is true. But they will always go to the bigger cities as there is more opportunity.right well go to smaller towns or down south then see if its more eatern europens or not"

im sure there are hardly any. but wait, in due time you shall see them as we have.(well i hope not)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

Do you know what the margins on pimping are?

Why would I know that and how is it relevant? Have I missed something?

Apparently eastern European gangs are forcing the British homeless away from selling the big issue.

That's not a gang!"

That's why I put it in quotation marks. An organised crime gang,I would imagine,would not be interested in selling the big issue. They have bigger money to get. It's families trying to scrape up money from wherever they can. My granddaughter has Romanian friends and they differentiate between the "normal" ones and the bad ones. I call the men to my house when I have scrap,they get rid of it quickly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

whose being racist?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

Then again I may be wrong

Can you tell me the motive for a gang to get involved with Big Issue selling when the profits are so low and potentially finite?

An avenue to claiming housing benefit. Have a read about it.

Do you know what the margins on pimping are?

Why would I know that and how is it relevant? Have I missed something?

Apparently eastern European gangs are forcing the British homeless away from selling the big issue.

A "gang" could be a few families all living in one house,one of them sells the big issue and claims housing benefit and they have a roof over their heads for them and their wives and children. I don't think the pimps would want their wives out prostituting themselves. They are ordinary families trying to live. "
surely if they have been allocated a hpuse they will be entitled to housing benefit anyway especially if they have kids. Whpse going to rent a house to someone who has no rent money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"whose being racist?"

the people who jumped to the conclusion that the foreign sellers are criminal gang members instead of assuming they're honest workers. Prejudice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A "gang" could be a few families all living in one house,one of them sells the big issue and claims housing benefit and they have a roof over their heads for them and their wives and children. I don't think the pimps would want their wives out prostituting themselves. They are ordinary families trying to live. surely if they have been allocated a hpuse they will be entitled to housing benefit anyway especially if they have kids. Whpse going to rent a house to someone who has no rent money"

my personal opinion (hence me not being prime minister) is that we should take care of our own first before others. and there are many who are needy(maybe also lazy) amongst our own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A "gang" could be a few families all living in one house,one of them sells the big issue and claims housing benefit and they have a roof over their heads for them and their wives and children. I don't think the pimps would want their wives out prostituting themselves. They are ordinary families trying to live. surely if they have been allocated a hpuse they will be entitled to housing benefit anyway especially if they have kids. Whpse going to rent a house to someone who has no rent money

my personal opinion (hence me not being prime minister) is that we should take care of our own first before others. and there are many who are needy(maybe also lazy) amongst our own.

Soooo house a man, instead of a family with young children who would be at higher risk, just cos he's British? I'd rather the children were looked after.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Speaking as a member of the human race....... I think we should look after our own .....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"whose being racist?

the people who jumped to the conclusion that the foreign sellers are criminal gang members instead of assuming they're honest workers. Prejudice. "

aha

one cannot assume no more after one has seen and understood.

there are many which are honest and respect to them. but there are many which are not and they are affecting the ones which are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"whose being racist?

the people who jumped to the conclusion that the foreign sellers are criminal gang members instead of assuming they're honest workers. Prejudice.

aha

one cannot assume no more after one has seen and understood.

there are many which are honest and respect to them. but there are many which are not and they are affecting the ones which are. "

Why assume criminality when you've witnessed no criminality then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A "gang" could be a few families all living in one house,one of them sells the big issue and claims housing benefit and they have a roof over their heads for them and their wives and children. I don't think the pimps would want their wives out prostituting themselves. They are ordinary families trying to live. surely if they have been allocated a hpuse they will be entitled to housing benefit anyway especially if they have kids. Whpse going to rent a house to someone who has no rent money

my personal opinion (hence me not being prime minister) is that we should take care of our own first before others. and there are many who are needy(maybe also lazy) amongst our own.

Again, who are these people "our own"?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A "gang" could be a few families all living in one house,one of them sells the big issue and claims housing benefit and they have a roof over their heads for them and their wives and children. I don't think the pimps would want their wives out prostituting themselves. They are ordinary families trying to live. surely if they have been allocated a hpuse they will be entitled to housing benefit anyway especially if they have kids. Whpse going to rent a house to someone who has no rent money

my personal opinion (hence me not being prime minister) is that we should take care of our own first before others. and there are many who are needy(maybe also lazy) amongst our own.

Soooo house a man, instead of a family with young children who would be at higher risk, just cos he's British? I'd rather the children were looked after. "

no arguments there, we can stick a few blokes in the same house. some cases like that are legit but some the children and wives are brought just for that purpose.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"whose being racist?

the people who jumped to the conclusion that the foreign sellers are criminal gang members instead of assuming they're honest workers. Prejudice.

aha

one cannot assume no more after one has seen and understood.

there are many which are honest and respect to them. but there are many which are not and they are affecting the ones which are.

Why assume criminality when you've witnessed no criminality then. "

im saying i have,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"? "

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems. "

So when was the last time Britain was all in order and everything was sorted?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems. "

In my humble opinion....that makes for highly uncomfortable reading....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

In my humble opinion....that makes for highly uncomfortable reading....

Let's hear him out first...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

So when was the last time Britain was all in order and everything was sorted? "

Margaret thatcher. need i say more?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

The Big Issue sellers I see outside the supermarkets are eastern European women. There are also eastern Europeans that put a packet of tissue beside you on the rain, with a card asking for a donation. The beggers on the train that come on with their spiel about being hungry and homeless but smell of cheap booze and try to intimidate are white men between thirty and fifty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

So when was the last time Britain was all in order and everything was sorted?

Margaret thatcher. need i say more?

Just be clear, you're saying that in the 1980s everything was sorted and in order?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

In my humble opinion....that makes for highly uncomfortable reading....

Let's hear him out first... "

(retreating in to the corner) i feel like im being ganged up on

but taking it closer to home, whats your opinion on helping a stranger while your personal family is in need?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a well travelled observer of humanity I've been shown kindness all over the world .......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Big Issue sellers I see outside the supermarkets are eastern European women. There are also eastern Europeans that put a packet of tissue beside you on the rain, with a card asking for a donation. The beggers on the train that come on with their spiel about being hungry and homeless but smell of cheap booze and try to intimidate are white men between thirty and fifty.

and thats all while the boss man is at home in his free house with the bmw parked outside watching on his 64 inch tv. (and i know this for a fact)

its those gangs im talking about, not serious crime ones, but it developed. not a gang per say but its an organised set up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

In my humble opinion....that makes for highly uncomfortable reading....

Let's hear him out first...

(retreating in to the corner) i feel like im being ganged up on

but taking it closer to home, whats your opinion on helping a stranger while your personal family is in need?

You don't do yourself any favours

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a well travelled observer of humanity I've been shown kindness all over the world .......

you are a respectable person, i bet you never tried to take advantage nor did you use or harm others for your own personal gain.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

In my humble opinion....that makes for highly uncomfortable reading....

Let's hear him out first...

(retreating in to the corner) i feel like im being ganged up on

but taking it closer to home, whats your opinion on helping a stranger while your personal family is in need?

You don't do yourself any favours"

yep i know, im a bit of a twat

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

In my humble opinion....that makes for highly uncomfortable reading....

Let's hear him out first...

(retreating in to the corner) i feel like im being ganged up on

but taking it closer to home, whats your opinion on helping a stranger while your personal family is in need?

Sorry mate I was watching Surrey lose wickets in T20 your 100% right in your words . The majority want to help folk who are desperate and in need of our help .

You have little chance of helping your own as described as its a dirty racist phrase yet other countries are proud to support there own without being judged or questioned . No one has the right to hurt or offend anyone for there race creed colour or gender but on the opposite you shouldn't be pulled down because you believe in helping out ur own first . I qoute my grandad who lost his two brothers in ww2 that gave the ultimate sacrifice so we can enjoy our freedom .

No racist in any way shop or form so please don't shout me down for wanting to ensure I support British homeless first I have that right

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Again, who are these people "our own"?

British nationals in my humble opinion.

i just dont see it right to concern for others when we cant sort ourselves out. especially when it causes more problems.

In my humble opinion....that makes for highly uncomfortable reading....

Let's hear him out first...

(retreating in to the corner) i feel like im being ganged up on

but taking it closer to home, whats your opinion on helping a stranger while your personal family is in need?

You don't do yourself any favours

yep i know, im a bit of a twat"

No offence but I feel sorry for you with that world view. You think people are like your family because of where they were born. Half those people wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

I think you'd be a happier person if you saw past the birth certificate and had been in some of the situations I've been in. Ones where foreign strangers helped me get out of trouble for no other reason than I was another human being.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry mate I was watching Surrey lose wickets in T20 your 100% right in your words . The majority want to help folk who are desperate and in need of our help .

No racist in any way shop or form so please don't shout me down for wanting to ensure I support British homeless first I have that right"

well said! definitely buying you a drink now! as much as we would like to save the world and all of humanity, nobody will help us except for us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a well travelled observer of humanity I've been shown kindness all over the world .......

you are a respectable person, i bet you never tried to take advantage nor did you use or harm others for your own personal gain."

But that simply requires acknowledging every human is born equal and there is no justification for holding a preconception that anyone's basic rights have primacy because of where they were born.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Sorry mate I was watching Surrey lose wickets in T20 your 100% right in your words . The majority want to help folk who are desperate and in need of our help .

No racist in any way shop or form so please don't shout me down for wanting to ensure I support British homeless first I have that right

well said! definitely buying you a drink now! as much as we would like to save the world and all of humanity, nobody will help us except for us."

Deal , just going to the bar , hurry up matey and the drinks on the table Surrey lost another wicket and rugby league is getting ready

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As a well travelled observer of humanity I've been shown kindness all over the world .......

you are a respectable person, i bet you never tried to take advantage nor did you use or harm others for your own personal gain.

But that simply requires acknowledging every human is born equal and there is no justification for holding a preconception that anyone's basic rights have primacy because of where they were born.....

Very well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

as much as we would like to save the world and all of humanity, nobody will help us except for us."

There it is! You're not really racist. It's just a sad situation because you don't realise that they would help you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is a very weird debate.

"This homeless person is more deserving....no, that homeless person is more deserving; but my homeless person was born on that bit of ground....but my homeless person has struggled more to be homeless than your homeless person"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

and thats all while the boss man is at home in his free house with the bmw parked outside watching on his 64 inch tv. (and i know this for a fact)

its those gangs im talking about, not serious crime ones, but it developed. not a gang per say but its an organised set up."

If you know for a fact that the Big Issue sellers are part of organised crime and that the "boss man" is at home with his nice car and telly, you really ought to do more than post about it on a swinger's forum.

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By * e coupleCouple over a year ago

northeast

Carefull it's a long fall off a high horse ,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread still going?

Anyway, before you all call me a bigoted racist nazi, I do believe in all of humanity, and one should help and hold out his hand with a smile to anyone anywhere, wherever and whoever they may be. Everyone deserves the benefit of doubt. One should love another like he or she loves himself. That is the foundation of humanity. (and swingers?)(again in my opinion and I may be wrong)

However, I don't believe it's right for people to help themselves while doing wrong and hurting others. Sometimes it's a case of slowing people to help themselves but they do so in a way that damages and is to the detriment of the people around them. That's what I think is wrong.

But hey I may be wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread still going?

But hey I may be wrong

Who is doing wrong? You're worrying about something that doesn't exist.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I had a guy who slept near my home in central London who sold it. A UK guy who would never beg, however broke and desperate. It was tragic as he was a fantastic guy. I'd give food but he preferred to sell the magazine, it was his code for retaining some self-respect.

Like in prisons, a high proportion of the homeless have mental health conditions, which says a lot about us as a culture and where we're going wrong.

I've no knowledge of Nottingham sellers but they do have to have ID and are vetted.

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

I've not seen a Big Issue seller for years

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Big Issue ........ Big Issue.......

Big Issue Sir...... Big Issue Madam....

What do you mean..... No......!!

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