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There's much talk of the EU referendum atm and lots of strong opinions in both directions...
But I'm curious...
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Has anyone changed their mind as a consequence of the debate on Brexit?
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Are any waverers who have read something here and have thought, hmmm, I'm gonna vote one way, or the other or has it confirmed what you already know?
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"The more I research the more I'm sure that we should stay in the EU. I've not seen anything yet that would make me change my mind." I'm of this thinking as well. I'm wary of the alternative. | |||
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"The more I research the more I'm sure that we should stay in the EU. I've not seen anything yet that would make me change my mind. I'm of this thinking as well. I'm wary of the alternative." The BBC has a good EU referendum guide on it's website, it's a good starting point. | |||
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"Sorry, am in purdah now so not allowed to discuss it "Isn't it purdah from tomorrow (27th)? To answer the question though, if anything it's solidified my original opinion on the matter. | |||
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"The more I research the more I'm sure that we should stay in the EU. I've not seen anything yet that would make me change my mind." If the people of ANY European country elect a right-wing populist government then that country face sanctions. The commission awarded itself the power to do that, they are already attacking Poland for democratically electing their government which the commission doesnt like how did you miss that in your research or is democracy not an issue | |||
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"Sorry, am in purdah now so not allowed to discuss it
Isn't it purdah from tomorrow (27th)?
To answer the question though, if anything it's solidified my original opinion on the matter."My last day at work for a while was today 
Off to Italy where I wont have to listen to any pro or anti EU rhetoric (at least not that I can understand). Bliss! | |||
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"Sorry, am in purdah now so not allowed to discuss it "  | |||
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"I'm looking at it like a failing relationship, we are miserable and struggling in it, so we may as well be miserable and struggling out of it and then at least we are in a position to find our own way and make new friends
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"The more I research the more I'm sure that we should stay in the EU. I've not seen anything yet that would make me change my mind. If the people of ANY European country elect a right-wing populist government then that country face sanctions. The commission awarded itself the power to do that, they are already attacking Poland for democratically electing their government which the commission doesnt like how did you miss that in your research or is democracy not an issue" The EU also crushed a democratically elected government in Greece only that was an extreme left anti austerity party which the EU commission didn't like. Real democracy seems like a completely alien concept to the EU commission, they don't know the meaning of the word democracy. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. It's one of the main reasons I made my mind up years ago why I wanted out. The economic arguments on both sides are neither here nor there, it's the restoration of our sovereignty, democracy and independence that I want (the ability to make our own laws, control our own borders, control our own money and govern ourselves without any interference from the EU). #voteleavetakecontrol | |||
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"Sorry, am in purdah now so not allowed to discuss it "The ultimate swinger taboo Hot for women in purdah ! | |||
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"The more I research the more I'm sure that we should stay in the EU. I've not seen anything yet that would make me change my mind. If the people of ANY European country elect a right-wing populist government then that country face sanctions. The commission awarded itself the power to do that, they are already attacking Poland for democratically electing their government which the commission doesnt like how did you miss that in your research or is democracy not an issue The EU also crushed a democratically elected government in Greece only that was an extreme left anti austerity party which the EU commission didn't like. Real democracy seems like a completely alien concept to the EU commission, they don't know the meaning of the word democracy. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic. It's one of the main reasons I made my mind up years ago why I wanted out. The economic arguments on both sides are neither here nor there, it's the restoration of our sovereignty, democracy and independence that I want (the ability to make our own laws, control our own borders, control our own money and govern ourselves without any interference from the EU). #voteleavetakecontrol " All governments that default on international debt lose control of financial policy and it's a long list of defaulting states. As ever UKIP twist reality for cheap political shots. | |||
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"I'm with #voteleave all the way!!! Increase in net migration, now standing at it's highest level. £18.3bn sent to Brussels in 2015 alone = £350m per week. Spend the money on our NHS and supporting our own, before sending it across Europe. We have people who have fought for this country, who are now homeless, it's wrong." Wasn't it £162 million net that we send over what we receive. I heard a good debate on the radio today saying that lots of other European countries feel like us regarding being in the EU. I think we forget that sometimes. | |||
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" Off to Italy where I wont have to listen to any pro or anti EU rhetoric (at least not that I can understand). Bliss!" well jel ..... have a nice time | |||
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"I have about as much interest in anyone else's opinion on this subject as they have in mine......zilch "This. I propose: let's all stfu until polling day. It'll save a whole lot of drama, angst and bluster that no-one's really listening to anyway. | |||
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"OUT....For a better future for my children." "For the children!" Fab! I've heard it all now | |||
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"OUT....For a better future for my children. "For the children!" Fab! I've heard it all now "https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg | |||
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"OUT....For a better future for my children." Exactly | |||
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"My mind has not changed one bit from the official rhetoric that is being spouted by both sides. As I see it little difference either way in the next few years, but the changes will matter in 20+ years, neither side is offering any info. that far ahead. so it's best guess for the next genration. " So few younger people are likely to turn out to vote. I really don't like that this decision is being made by a bunch of people with fixed viewpoints about the past and now and little thought for the future. | |||
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"My mind has not changed one bit from the official rhetoric that is being spouted by both sides. As I see it little difference either way in the next few years, but the changes will matter in 20+ years, neither side is offering any info. that far ahead. so it's best guess for the next genration. So few younger people are likely to turn out to vote. I really don't like that this decision is being made by a bunch of people with fixed viewpoints about the past and now and little thought for the future. " you might find that a lot who want out are thinking of the future. It is more the remainers who aren't and think things will just roll along as they are. They won't | |||
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"There are Romanians living in our local park. They have little English and virtually no chance of finding employment. Their main source of income is begging. Many locals complain of an increase in petty crime nothing serious but more a nuisance value. They are here because of the EU. It is not their fault they believed they could find a better life here yet are reduced to living on the streets. They may eventually resort to more serious crime the more desperate they become. The EU has FAILED them and it is has FAILED us. We have an over crowded country and services that can no longer cope and they are reduced to living on the street and begging. Rather than opening all borders for free movement of cheap labour so businesses can get richer it should have improved the lives of people in their homelands rather than encouraging mass migration which is destabilising whole countries." | |||
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"My mind has not changed one bit from the official rhetoric that is being spouted by both sides. As I see it little difference either way in the next few years, but the changes will matter in 20+ years, neither side is offering any info. that far ahead. so it's best guess for the next genration. So few younger people are likely to turn out to vote. I really don't like that this decision is being made by a bunch of people with fixed viewpoints about the past and now and little thought for the future. you might find that a lot who want out are thinking of the future. It is more the remainers who aren't and think things will just roll along as they are. They won't" why wont they ?? | |||
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"I'm starting to waver towards out but I can assure anyone remotely interested that racism has absolutely no part in my thoughts. However I don't trust the government much so out is a gamble. We can always rejoin in a few years if we don't like it "Doesn't work like that I am afraid! | |||
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"In the last 600 years Europe has been a constant battle field with two of the most destructive conflicts known to human kind being started in its confines. The treaty of Rome expressly rules out member states taking up arms against on and other. A united Europe will, in my opinion, provide for a safe place to live and stop the rise of jingoistic isolationism that Boris and his type were taught on the sports fields of Eton. His views and those of his supporters emanate from the colonial origins of his beliefs. You only have to look at Austria and the near election of a white supremacist to feel that things could turn out to be a cluster fuck if we leave Europe. " Do you not realise that the rise of the right all over Europe is down to the EU? | |||
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"My mind has not changed one bit from the official rhetoric that is being spouted by both sides. As I see it little difference either way in the next few years, but the changes will matter in 20+ years, neither side is offering any info. that far ahead. so it's best guess for the next genration. So few younger people are likely to turn out to vote. I really don't like that this decision is being made by a bunch of people with fixed viewpoints about the past and now and little thought for the future. you might find that a lot who want out are thinking of the future. It is more the remainers who aren't and think things will just roll along as they are. They won'twhy wont they ??" I aint got time and internet space to answer that one sorry. Just do some research | |||
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"In the last 600 years Europe has been a constant battle field with two of the most destructive conflicts known to human kind being started in its confines. The treaty of Rome expressly rules out member states taking up arms against on and other. A united Europe will, in my opinion, provide for a safe place to live and stop the rise of jingoistic isolationism that Boris and his type were taught on the sports fields of Eton. His views and those of his supporters emanate from the colonial origins of his beliefs. You only have to look at Austria and the near election of a white supremacist to feel that things could turn out to be a cluster fuck if we leave Europe. Do you not realise that the rise of the right all over Europe is down to the EU?" I didn't know that. Can you expand on your hypothesis? | |||
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"When the EU parliament gives itself powers to over-ride member nations democratic voting process, then it makes me even more determined to spread the word about getting out. If you have missed it, its in the news today.... if the EU doesn't like the government that a country votes in i.e. if its not in keeping with THEIR political agenda, then they will block, or in other ways penalise, that countries activities within the EU..... how's THAT for democracy? "Again explain that little gem? | |||
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"I'm starting to waver towards out but I can assure anyone remotely interested that racism has absolutely no part in my thoughts. However I don't trust the government much so out is a gamble. We can always rejoin in a few years if we don't like it "Yes we can but with absolutely NONE of the privileges we currently enjoy. We would HAVE to take on the Euro, for instance, if we re-join. We would lose the rebate and the list goes on. | |||
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"I'm starting to waver towards out but I can assure anyone remotely interested that racism has absolutely no part in my thoughts. However I don't trust the government much so out is a gamble. We can always rejoin in a few years if we don't like it
Yes we can but with absolutely NONE of the privileges we currently enjoy. We would HAVE to take on the Euro, for instance, if we re-join. We would lose the rebate and the list goes on.
"We are European and we live in a free Europe where you can change things through democratic debate and ultimately the ballot box. I would be interested to know the figures of how many leavers voted in the last European Parliament elections? Only 35% of the UK could be arsed. | |||
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"I hear all this talk about lack of democracy yet Britain has only to date ever voted on one eu treaty while other eu states vote on every treaty . No treaty can be ratified in rep of Ireland unless the people vote it in that's down to the nature of constitution why doesn't Britain have same type of constitution also people feel I represented in the eu could this because they vote in Euro sceptics who abstain from votes" And make it their manifesto to be paid by the EU to not vote! | |||
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"One of the sides shows in this EU debate is the attempt by Boris to try and become leader of the Tories. If we vote to stay he appeases all the suits in the 1922 committee but if we vote to stay he has done no harm to BoJo because he followed his conscience so to speak. If he was to wrench the job from fellow Etonian and Bullingdon Club member Dave and the septics voted Don Trump into the white house do you think that a Chinese plan to clone the head honchos in the the UK and US had succeeded? They look remarkably similar and talk bollocks in equal measure? " Trump and Johnson - slang words for what they are? | |||
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"One of the sides shows in this EU debate is the attempt by Boris to try and become leader of the Tories. If we vote to stay he appeases all the suits in the 1922 committee but if we vote to stay he has done no harm to BoJo because he followed his conscience so to speak. If he was to wrench the job from fellow Etonian and Bullingdon Club member Dave and the septics voted Don Trump into the white house do you think that a Chinese plan to clone the head honchos in the the UK and US had succeeded? They look remarkably similar and talk bollocks in equal measure? Trump and Johnson - slang words for what they are?" Dangerous narcissists that have not got a clue about reality? | |||
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"One of the sides shows in this EU debate is the attempt by Boris to try and become leader of the Tories. If we vote to stay he appeases all the suits in the 1922 committee but if we vote to stay he has done no harm to BoJo because he followed his conscience so to speak. If he was to wrench the job from fellow Etonian and Bullingdon Club member Dave and the septics voted Don Trump into the white house do you think that a Chinese plan to clone the head honchos in the the UK and US had succeeded? They look remarkably similar and talk bollocks in equal measure? Trump and Johnson - slang words for what they are?Dangerous narcissists that have not got a clue about reality?" Fart and Penis. | |||
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"One of the sides shows in this EU debate is the attempt by Boris to try and become leader of the Tories. If we vote to stay he appeases all the suits in the 1922 committee but if we vote to stay he has done no harm to BoJo because he followed his conscience so to speak. If he was to wrench the job from fellow Etonian and Bullingdon Club member Dave and the septics voted Don Trump into the white house do you think that a Chinese plan to clone the head honchos in the the UK and US had succeeded? They look remarkably similar and talk bollocks in equal measure? Trump and Johnson - slang words for what they are?Dangerous narcissists that have not got a clue about reality? Fart and Penis. " Ms Splits .........how true a expulsion of wind and a prick! | |||
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"dj, why did you EU do it? Was this the one day when there wasn't a Referendum thread? " Because I wanted to make a point about how pointless this is. Everyone's made up their minds and all we do is shout at one another. It's futile. *surveys thread and rests case* | |||
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"dj, why did you EU do it? Was this the one day when there wasn't a Referendum thread? Because I wanted to make a point about how pointless this is. Everyone's made up their minds and all we do is shout at one another. It's futile. *surveys thread and rests case* "I know. I wouldn't have opened this one but for the name of the OP. | |||
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"In the last 600 years Europe has been a constant battle field with two of the most destructive conflicts known to human kind being started in its confines. The treaty of Rome expressly rules out member states taking up arms against on and other. A united Europe will, in my opinion, provide for a safe place to live and stop the rise of jingoistic isolationism that Boris and his type were taught on the sports fields of Eton. His views and those of his supporters emanate from the colonial origins of his beliefs. You only have to look at Austria and the near election of a white supremacist to feel that things could turn out to be a cluster fuck if we leave Europe. " The EU is a cluster fuck now. Wake up, the far right is on the rise all over Europe as a direct result of the EU's failings. The Euro = EU failure The migration crisis = EU failure Border free Schengen = EU failure The EU project = failure | |||
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"dj, why did you EU do it? Was this the one day when there wasn't a Referendum thread? Because I wanted to make a point about how pointless this is. Everyone's made up their minds and all we do is shout at one another. It's futile. *surveys thread and rests case* "Some people do post now and again to say they are still undecided. | |||
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"When the EU parliament gives itself powers to over-ride member nations democratic voting process, then it makes me even more determined to spread the word about getting out. If you have missed it, its in the news today.... if the EU doesn't like the government that a country votes in i.e. if its not in keeping with THEIR political agenda, then they will block, or in other ways penalise, that countries activities within the EU..... how's THAT for democracy? Again explain that little gem?"If Austria, or any other EU country, votes in a right-of-centre political party to govt, the EU will restrict that countrys voting rights etc in the EU. This is a SELF GENERATED power that the EU has GIVEN ITSELF....... last time I looked, the EU was supposed to be a democracy... nothing democratic about telling other countries who they can elect? | |||
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"But going back to the debate if: Boris Johnson Donald Trump Nigel Farrage Michael Gove Michael Howard Liam Fox Douglas Carswell All of whom, in my opinion and to quote a famous politician have something of the night about them, are for leaving then on the principals of common decency I am a remainer!" Something of the night about them? Lol, what about odious key remain figures like... Tony Blair Peter Mandelson David Cameron George Osborne Nick Clegg Gerry Adams Martin McGuinness Alex Salmond Nicola Sturgeon If they are for remaining then on the principles of common decency I'm for leaving. | |||
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"Some people do post now and again to say they are still undecided. " So why are people still posting? | |||
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"Kind of - Ideologically, I'm opposed to the EU - I'm with Benn and Galloway on that one. I will probbaly vote remain though because if we leave, the thought that we will soley be in the hands of Cameron et al. terrifies me, frankly. Also, I am a producer of lamb, and European trade is incredibly important in my sector. (There is a small helping of "Farrage is a swivel-eyed loon and I can't side with him", too)" I find it utterly bizarre that people think that if we leave the EU the UK Government will suddenly decide to start legislating to the voters benefit. Yeah, right. They'll be voting for TTIP and lining their pockets on beanos to China in no time. | |||
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"My mind has not changed one bit from the official rhetoric that is being spouted by both sides. As I see it little difference either way in the next few years, but the changes will matter in 20+ years, neither side is offering any info. that far ahead. so it's best guess for the next genration. So few younger people are likely to turn out to vote. I really don't like that this decision is being made by a bunch of people with fixed viewpoints about the past and now and little thought for the future. you might find that a lot who want out are thinking of the future. It is more the remainers who aren't and think things will just roll along as they are. They won'twhy wont they ??" Have a look at the EU five President's report to get an idea of where the EU is heading in the future. Full political union and full monetary union is the ultimate goal for the EU elite, they will keep pushing the agenda until they get what they want which is a European federal superstate (a fully integrated united states of Europe). | |||
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"Some people do post now and again to say they are still undecided. So why are people still posting? "To convince them one way or the other. | |||
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"Some people do post now and again to say they are still undecided. So why are people still posting?
To convince them one way or the other. "But as has been established (ad nauseam) the vast majority of people have made up their minds. This is not a debate - I've demonstrated that - it's people hectoring. There is no space for discussion, only a void filled with shouting. That's all. | |||
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"But going back to the debate if: Boris Johnson Donald Trump Nigel Farrage Michael Gove Michael Howard Liam Fox Douglas Carswell All of whom, in my opinion and to quote a famous politician have something of the night about them, are for leaving then on the principals of common decency I am a remainer! Something of the night about them? Lol, what about odious key remain figures like... Tony Blair Peter Mandelson David Cameron George Osborne Nick Clegg Gerry Adams Martin McGuinness Alex Salmond Nicola Sturgeon If they are for remaining then on the principles of common decency I'm for leaving. " Do you know I think you have just proved a point! | |||
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"Some people do post now and again to say they are still undecided. So why are people still posting?
To convince them one way or the other.
But as has been established (ad nauseam) the vast majority of people have made up their minds.
This is not a debate - I've demonstrated that - it's people hectoring. There is no space for discussion, only a void filled with shouting.
That's all.
"You said a majority had made their mind up, not all had made their mind up. There are still some undecided voters who could be persuaded one way or the other. | |||
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"But going back to the debate if: Boris Johnson Donald Trump Nigel Farrage Michael Gove Michael Howard Liam Fox Douglas Carswell All of whom, in my opinion and to quote a famous politician have something of the night about them, are for leaving then on the principals of common decency I am a remainer! Something of the night about them? Lol, what about odious key remain figures like... Tony Blair Peter Mandelson David Cameron George Osborne Nick Clegg Gerry Adams Martin McGuinness Alex Salmond Nicola Sturgeon If they are for remaining then on the principles of common decency I'm for leaving. Do you know I think you have just proved a point!" But you forgot.... Joan Collins Sean Connery Roger Moore Michael Caine All have a vote to leave but don't live here! | |||
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"But going back to the debate if: Boris Johnson Donald Trump Nigel Farrage Michael Gove Michael Howard Liam Fox Douglas Carswell All of whom, in my opinion and to quote a famous politician have something of the night about them, are for leaving then on the principals of common decency I am a remainer! Something of the night about them? Lol, what about odious key remain figures like... Tony Blair Peter Mandelson David Cameron George Osborne Nick Clegg Gerry Adams Martin McGuinness Alex Salmond Nicola Sturgeon If they are for remaining then on the principles of common decency I'm for leaving. Do you know I think you have just proved a point!" Just saw another one on the news, how did I forget to include him, drum roll...... Alastair Campbell  | |||
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"Some people do post now and again to say they are still undecided. So why are people still posting?
To convince them one way or the other.
But as has been established (ad nauseam) the vast majority of people have made up their minds.
This is not a debate - I've demonstrated that - it's people hectoring. There is no space for discussion, only a void filled with shouting.
That's all.
You said a majority had made their mind up, not all had made their mind up. There are still some undecided voters who could be persuaded one way or the other. "And is this the medium that will persuade people? Tbh the result is not in question. I think the referendum a waste of time. Think of this thread as a metaphor. Refer-exit, or sommat. | |||
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"But going back to the debate if: Boris Johnson Donald Trump Nigel Farrage Michael Gove Michael Howard Liam Fox Douglas Carswell All of whom, in my opinion and to quote a famous politician have something of the night about them, are for leaving then on the principals of common decency I am a remainer! Something of the night about them? Lol, what about odious key remain figures like... Tony Blair Peter Mandelson David Cameron George Osborne Nick Clegg Gerry Adams Martin McGuinness Alex Salmond Nicola Sturgeon If they are for remaining then on the principles of common decency I'm for leaving. Do you know I think you have just proved a point! Just saw another one on the news, how did I forget to include him, drum roll...... Alastair Campbell "Fanfare ............the queen? You would think with her background she would be a remainer? | |||
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"But going back to the debate if: Boris Johnson Donald Trump Nigel Farrage Michael Gove Michael Howard Liam Fox Douglas Carswell All of whom, in my opinion and to quote a famous politician have something of the night about them, are for leaving then on the principals of common decency I am a remainer! Something of the night about them? Lol, what about odious key remain figures like... Tony Blair Peter Mandelson David Cameron George Osborne Nick Clegg Gerry Adams Martin McGuinness Alex Salmond Nicola Sturgeon If they are for remaining then on the principles of common decency I'm for leaving. Do you know I think you have just proved a point! Just saw another one on the news, how did I forget to include him, drum roll...... Alastair Campbell
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"Those that are voting to leave How do you KNOW that an exit will guarantee a better future ? How do you KNOW it will stop or stem immigration ? How do you KNOW the NHS will benefit from it ? " Exit from the EU will mean a better future for Britain because we will restore our sovereignty and our democracy. The political establishment will work better for us because they will be more accountable and they won't be able to blame failings on the EU anymore. The EU has been going backwards for decades now it's share of global trade had been decreasing steadily and is now stagnating. There is ongoing crisis with the Euro, ongoing crisis with the migration situation and I think now the start of a new EU crisis with anti EU parties gaining more and more share of the vote with each passing election all over the EU. It will stem immigration because we can take back control of our borders when we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to the EU free movement of people rules. We can have our own immigration policy instead of an EU immigration policy. We can treat all immigrants on an equal footing instead of giving unfair advantage to people with an EU passport. The Nhs will benefit from the injection of cash £ billions savings made from our EU membership fee. Plus less strain will be put on the Nhs, hospitals and GP surgeries when we can control immigration better to reduce the numbers of patients going through the doors. | |||
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"I am undecided. There are pros & cons both for and against. I am not convinced that the money saved will end up in the NHS" Of course it won't ; it will be spunked away | |||
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"Those that are voting to leave How do you KNOW that an exit will guarantee a better future ? How do you KNOW it will stop or stem immigration ? How do you KNOW the NHS will benefit from it ? Exit from the EU will mean a better future for Britain because we will restore our sovereignty and our democracy. The political establishment will work better for us because they will be more accountable and they won't be able to blame failings on the EU anymore. The EU has been going backwards for decades now it's share of global trade had been decreasing steadily and is now stagnating. There is ongoing crisis with the Euro, ongoing crisis with the migration situation and I think now the start of a new EU crisis with anti EU parties gaining more and more share of the vote with each passing election all over the EU. It will stem immigration because we can take back control of our borders when we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to the EU free movement of people rules. We can have our own immigration policy instead of an EU immigration policy. We can treat all immigrants on an equal footing instead of giving unfair advantage to people with an EU passport. The Nhs will benefit from the injection of cash £ billions savings made from our EU membership fee. Plus less strain will be put on the Nhs, hospitals and GP surgeries when we can control immigration better to reduce the numbers of patients going through the doors. " You are assuming that our own politicians will not f**k us all over like they have been for years and like they did before the EU was ever thought of! | |||
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"Those that are voting to leave How do you KNOW that an exit will guarantee a better future ? How do you KNOW it will stop or stem immigration ? How do you KNOW the NHS will benefit from it ? Exit from the EU will mean a better future for Britain because we will restore our sovereignty and our democracy. The political establishment will work better for us because they will be more accountable and they won't be able to blame failings on the EU anymore. The EU has been going backwards for decades now it's share of global trade had been decreasing steadily and is now stagnating. There is ongoing crisis with the Euro, ongoing crisis with the migration situation and I think now the start of a new EU crisis with anti EU parties gaining more and more share of the vote with each passing election all over the EU. It will stem immigration because we can take back control of our borders when we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to the EU free movement of people rules. We can have our own immigration policy instead of an EU immigration policy. We can treat all immigrants on an equal footing instead of giving unfair advantage to people with an EU passport. The Nhs will benefit from the injection of cash £ billions savings made from our EU membership fee. Plus less strain will be put on the Nhs, hospitals and GP surgeries when we can control immigration better to reduce the numbers of patients going through the doors. You are assuming that our own politicians will not f**k us all over like they have been for years and like they did before the EU was ever thought of!" That is kinda my point Those voting to leave are assuming an idealistic situation post Brexit I understand a great deal of the argument I am just unconvinced that our current political establishment will deliver and that, for the majority, shit will still go down EU or no EU There is a lot of unease and unrest in this country right now, so what better than to shift the focus to those pesky Europeans, let the populace think they are the problem. Whilst they do, we'll shadow dance and strip the country of some of its greatest industries and institutions - if nothing else, we can blame the Indians or the Chinese once the Brussels lot are out of the picture But that's an argument for another day. I should go to bed | |||
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" The Nhs will benefit from the injection of cash £ billions savings made from our EU membership fee. Plus less strain will be put on the Nhs, hospitals and GP surgeries when we can control immigration better to reduce the numbers of patients going through the doors. " problem is this... its a soundbite!!!! not even the chief nhs execs of the major hospitals believe this of the top 80 hospital execs not 1 thought they would be better off outside the EU... Plus you have to remember that about 10-15% of the total nhs staff come from the EU........ that not because of immigration, that because the UK doesn't train enough doctors and nurses and specialist..... and the ones leaving are being poached by other EU countries.... they are being poached by the likes of the US, Canada Australia and New Zealand...... | |||
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"I'm more likely to vote one way than I was a few weeks ago. But absolutely I'm still open to influence and definitely willing to vote either way. Though I'm guessing I'll become more certain, without a massive swing." We are the swinger voters. | |||
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"I'm more likely to vote one way than I was a few weeks ago. But absolutely I'm still open to influence and definitely willing to vote either way. Though I'm guessing I'll become more certain, without a massive swing. We are the swinger voters. "*as gravel-voiced Northern comic* Ladies n' gents, she's 'ere all week! | |||
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"I'm more likely to vote one way than I was a few weeks ago. But absolutely I'm still open to influence and definitely willing to vote either way. Though I'm guessing I'll become more certain, without a massive swing. We are the swinger voters. "I noticed that choice of words as I finished it. Swinger voters power | |||
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"I am all in faviour of the free movment of sexy Europeans to the UK. Saves me the bother of having to go to each country independently to find and fuck them. London the biggest shmorgiousbord of Sexy people from around the world on Earth. So its IN IN IN for me." A fuck Is different when on holiday, worth the trip I think. | |||
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"Some people do post now and again to say they are still undecided. So why are people still posting?
To convince them one way or the other.
But as has been established (ad nauseam) the vast majority of people have made up their minds.
This is not a debate - I've demonstrated that - it's people hectoring. There is no space for discussion, only a void filled with shouting.
That's all.
You said a majority had made their mind up, not all had made their mind up. There are still some undecided voters who could be persuaded one way or the other.
And is this the medium that will persuade people?
Tbh the result is not in question.
I think the referendum a waste of time.
Think of this thread as a metaphor.
Refer-exit, or sommat.
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"Those that are voting to leave How do you KNOW that an exit will guarantee a better future ? How do you KNOW it will stop or stem immigration ? How do you KNOW the NHS will benefit from it ? Exit from the EU will mean a better future for Britain because we will restore our sovereignty and our democracy. The political establishment will work better for us because they will be more accountable and they won't be able to blame failings on the EU anymore. The EU has been going backwards for decades now it's share of global trade had been decreasing steadily and is now stagnating. There is ongoing crisis with the Euro, ongoing crisis with the migration situation and I think now the start of a new EU crisis with anti EU parties gaining more and more share of the vote with each passing election all over the EU. It will stem immigration because we can take back control of our borders when we leave the EU we will no longer be subject to the EU free movement of people rules. We can have our own immigration policy instead of an EU immigration policy. We can treat all immigrants on an equal footing instead of giving unfair advantage to people with an EU passport. The Nhs will benefit from the injection of cash £ billions savings made from our EU membership fee. Plus less strain will be put on the Nhs, hospitals and GP surgeries when we can control immigration better to reduce the numbers of patients going through the doors. You are assuming that our own politicians will not f**k us all over like they have been for years and like they did before the EU was ever thought of!" If we leave the EU and the government fuck everyone over then we can vote them out after 5 years at each general election. It's called democratic accountability. They will have to do a good job if they want to be re-elected. You may say "but we can do that now", only the thing is we are not truly ruled by our government at the moment, we are ruled by Brussels and the EU, it's the EU commission who make the laws and we can't vote them out or get rid of them. The elected MEP's in the EU parliament only vote on making ammendments to the laws passed down by the commission and the EU council. The commission and the council have the authority to overule any ammendments made by the elected MEP's so in effect the EU parliament is a complete waste of time. We may as well live under a dictatorship. | |||
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" The Nhs will benefit from the injection of cash £ billions savings made from our EU membership fee. Plus less strain will be put on the Nhs, hospitals and GP surgeries when we can control immigration better to reduce the numbers of patients going through the doors. problem is this... its a soundbite!!!! not even the chief nhs execs of the major hospitals believe this of the top 80 hospital execs not 1 thought they would be better off outside the EU... Plus you have to remember that about 10-15% of the total nhs staff come from the EU........ that not because of immigration, that because the UK doesn't train enough doctors and nurses and specialist..... and the ones leaving are being poached by other EU countries.... they are being poached by the likes of the US, Canada Australia and New Zealand......" Yet again the remain side try to paint this picture that all immigration will cease to exist if Britain leaves the EU. No one on the leave side has suggested such a thing. We will need to continue having a certain level of immigration, of which we can have control over the numbers and we can prioritise the skills which are most needed, be they doctors, nurses or any trade you can think of. The key thing is taking back control and having the ability to govern ourselves. | |||
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"Sexy Europeans free movment YES PLEASE CUM THIS WAY! on a slightly more serious note. Boris = OUT Proff Hawkins = IN Who would you trust? The worlds greatist Living physisist Nobel Prize winner. Or A Mop Top Numpty with ambitions to be Priminister. " Lord Carey former Arch Bishop of Canterbury = OUT Tony Blair = IN who would you trust? | |||
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"Im an outie!! Time to get our country back, David Cameron started the leave campaign before he had a pay off! The man has no balls " Nor does his girlfriend Osborne | |||
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"Sexy Europeans free movment YES PLEASE CUM THIS WAY! on a slightly more serious note. Boris = OUT Proff Hawkins = IN Who would you trust? The worlds greatist Living physisist Nobel Prize winner. Or A Mop Top Numpty with ambitions to be Priminister. Lord Carey former Arch Bishop of Canterbury = OUT Tony Blair = IN who would you trust?" Neither both a pair of Right Wing Numpties and i Knew Carey. | |||
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"I've given this a lot of thought and I think we should leave Europe. Once we have removed the links to Europe we can float off down to the West Indies and have a nice summer holiday together, then off to Oz for a toasty winter. "Will the currents take us that way? We could just end up banging the French or Dutch coasts over and over again. | |||
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"Sexy Europeans free movment YES PLEASE CUM THIS WAY! on a slightly more serious note. Boris = OUT Proff Hawkins = IN Who would you trust? The worlds greatist Living physisist Nobel Prize winner. Or A Mop Top Numpty with ambitions to be Priminister. Lord Carey former Arch Bishop of Canterbury = OUT Tony Blair = IN who would you trust? Neither both a pair of Right Wing Numpties and i Knew Carey." I bet you know Boris and Hawkins too. The point is, your point was pointless | |||
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"Sexy Europeans free movment YES PLEASE CUM THIS WAY! on a slightly more serious note. Boris = OUT Proff Hawkins = IN Who would you trust? The worlds greatist Living physisist Nobel Prize winner. Or A Mop Top Numpty with ambitions to be Priminister. Lord Carey former Arch Bishop of Canterbury = OUT Tony Blair = IN who would you trust? Neither both a pair of Right Wing Numpties and i Knew Carey. I bet you know Boris and Hawkins too. The point is, your point was pointless" You mean I won! Cool i never win anything ware is my prize | |||
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"Imagine a small island nation looking to go it alone without foreign interference and despite the wish of the people they where forced to stay what would u do" | |||
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"I've given this a lot of thought and I think we should leave Europe. Once we have removed the links to Europe we can float off down to the West Indies and have a nice summer holiday together, then off to Oz for a toasty winter.
Will the currents take us that way? We could just end up banging the French or Dutch coasts over and over again.
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"In the last 600 years Europe has been a constant battle field with two of the most destructive conflicts known to human kind being started in its confines. The treaty of Rome expressly rules out member states taking up arms against on and other. A united Europe will, in my opinion, provide for a safe place to live and stop the rise of jingoistic isolationism that Boris and his type were taught on the sports fields of Eton. His views and those of his supporters emanate from the colonial origins of his beliefs. You only have to look at Austria and the near election of a white supremacist to feel that things could turn out to be a cluster fuck if we leave Europe. " ...and what happens if by stealth the extreme right takeover the European parliament ? | |||
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"Those that are voting to leave How do you KNOW that an exit will guarantee a better future ? How do you KNOW it will stop or stem immigration ? How do you KNOW the NHS will benefit from it ? I have a feeling an exit will benefit the few and leave a lot of disillusioned people who were expecting a better life. That is not me supporting the EU, but rather me being cynical that whether we are in or out, we have a current political establishment that works for our good as opposed to its own. A revolution in Europe provides an adequate smoke screen to prevent one from happening here. Or is that just a bit TOO cynical ?" We could turn those questions around and ask How do you KNOW that staying in will guarantee a better future ? How do you KNOW immigration will stop or stem if we stay in? How do you KNOW the NHS will benefit by staying in? But instead we will give you reasoned answers. If we exit the country will be able to negotiate trade deals with the world, including Europe on our own terms, even the most cautious estimate of the future (put out by the remain side) admit the UK’s economic future will grow if we exit (just not as fast). The fact that we could complete trade deals with individual countries throughout the world on our own terms far more quickly than the EU completes deals means that over all our trade will increase faster when we exit than if we stay in. Immigration will not stop if we exit, no one wants it to stop, but we will be able to choose who we want to come in to the country rather than having to accept many unskilled people simply because they have an EU passport. The immigration levels could be controlled giving time to build the infrastructure to support the influx. The case for the NHS is rather different, it at present relies on immigrants from around 200 countries of which around 3.6% were nationals of EU countries. In terms of staffing levels being in or out does not make much difference. With regards to EU nationals using the NHS, we think there would be little change whether we stayed in or left the EU. The UK currently has reciprocal arrangements with EU countries for treating those needing medical attention, there is no reason why this should change | |||
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"I like these threads, they make my block list longer. :D" The tears that will be shed | |||
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"In the last 600 years Europe has been a constant battle field with two of the most destructive conflicts known to human kind being started in its confines. The treaty of Rome expressly rules out member states taking up arms against on and other. A united Europe will, in my opinion, provide for a safe place to live and stop the rise of jingoistic isolationism that Boris and his type were taught on the sports fields of Eton. His views and those of his supporters emanate from the colonial origins of his beliefs. You only have to look at Austria and the near election of a white supremacist to feel that things could turn out to be a cluster fuck if we leave Europe. ...and what happens if by stealth the extreme right takeover the European parliament ?" What happens if by Leaving the Extream Right take over Britian? | |||
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"I'm quite frankly bored by them. Full of long rambling posts justifying the rationale for staying in /leaving. Repetitive and mind -numbing. I generally have avoided them. I don't care about other people's reasons. Only my own. That's what will influence my vote." And we've still got 4 weeks to go!  | |||
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"How about all the nationalistic people putting there efforts in to buying British made produce by British owned companies in order to make the UK great again ..its only when the attitude of the buying public changes will the UK will succeed!!!!!" eeerm yeah, worked well with British Leyland didn't it | |||
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"How about all the nationalistic people putting there efforts in to buying British made produce by British owned companies in order to make the UK great again ..its only when the attitude of the buying public changes will the UK will succeed!!!!! eeerm yeah, worked well with British Leyland didn't it" well if you wont buy British goods how is the UK ever to succeed ? As a nation of shopkeepers ? ITS ATTITUDE LIKE YOURS THAT HAS DRIVEN THE UK DOWN OVER THE PAST YEARS NOT THE EU ..... | |||
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"I used to be very eurosceptic. I've been totally convinced by the repeated lies from Brexiteers of the madness of following them. " I agree and whilst there are many things that require change within the EU .there are also many changes required by the British public in order to make the UK a leading country within the community..they all could start by buying British once again .... | |||
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"I used to be very eurosceptic. I've been totally convinced by the repeated lies from Brexiteers of the madness of following them. I agree and whilst there are many things that require change within the EU .there are also many changes required by the British public in order to make the UK a leading country within the community..they all could start by buying British once again ...." | |||
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"Not one bit, mind was well made up and not seen anything to change that one bit." Same here actually it's been reinforced by the lies the other side are using....shows they are scared rather than belief in their point. | |||
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"I used to be very eurosceptic. I've been totally convinced by the repeated lies from Brexiteers of the madness of following them. " Complete opposite for me... | |||
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"How about all the nationalistic people putting there efforts in to buying British made produce by British owned companies in order to make the UK great again ..its only when the attitude of the buying public changes will the UK will succeed!!!!! eeerm yeah, worked well with British Leyland didn't itwell if you wont buy British goods how is the UK ever to succeed ? As a nation of shopkeepers ? ITS ATTITUDE LIKE YOURS THAT HAS DRIVEN THE UK DOWN OVER THE PAST YEARS NOT THE EU ....." Are you currently living in Spain? | |||
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"I'm with #voteleave all the way!!! Increase in net migration, now standing at it's highest level. £18.3bn sent to Brussels in 2015 alone = £350m per week. Spend the money on our NHS and supporting our own, before sending it across Europe. We have people who have fought for this country, who are now homeless, it's wrong." The misinformation bandied about by both sides is a disgrace. We get a rebate & subsidies from the EU, so things are not as clear cut as you seem to think. If anyone actually believes that ANY money saved would go to the NHS they are very naive. The problems faced by the NHS are ideological not monetary, and leaving the EU will not change that. | |||
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"Not one bit, mind was well made up and not seen anything to change that one bit. Same here actually it's been reinforced by the lies the other side are using....shows they are scared rather than belief in their point." Even leading figures on the remain side don't believe the bullshit Cameron and Osborne keep coming out with. Nicola Sturgeon said a few days ago that Osborne and Cameron's claims were overblown and not credible. She said Cameron and Osborne were insulting the intelligence of the British public with the wild claims they have been making. | |||
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"Not one bit, mind was well made up and not seen anything to change that one bit. Same here actually it's been reinforced by the lies the other side are using....shows they are scared rather than belief in their point. Even leading figures on the remain side don't believe the bullshit Cameron and Osborne keep coming out with. Nicola Sturgeon said a few days ago that Osborne and Cameron's claims were overblown and not credible. She said Cameron and Osborne were insulting the intelligence of the British public with the wild claims they have been making. " Have they repainted the brexit battle bus yet since the treasury committee report yesterday totally slammed the £350 million pound/week lie? | |||
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"Not one bit, mind was well made up and not seen anything to change that one bit. Same here actually it's been reinforced by the lies the other side are using....shows they are scared rather than belief in their point. Even leading figures on the remain side don't believe the bullshit Cameron and Osborne keep coming out with. Nicola Sturgeon said a few days ago that Osborne and Cameron's claims were overblown and not credible. She said Cameron and Osborne were insulting the intelligence of the British public with the wild claims they have been making. " Cameron. ..lying I doubt that ...never ever heard him utter anything with a wiff of a wink and a smile ... | |||
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"I've never been able to work out the maths by those who say we get more out of the EU than we put in... where does that extra money come from...Greece, Portugal or maybe Italy... oh maybe it's Germany. Total bollocks. ..the only ones getting more out of it are those who can't put in much. It's the political and administration systems that get more out of it....they can claim against expenses and fiddles. Tell me my maths is wrong?" it hard to believe in this day and age people think getting more has to be seen in cleared cash funds ..in which case the UK get jack shit out of having a royal family ..more UK funds goes into maintaining a royal family than comes out .... | |||
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"Hi, thanks for stopping by
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"I used to be very eurosceptic. I've been totally convinced by the repeated lies from Brexiteers of the madness of following them. I agree and whilst there are many things that require change within the EU .there are also many changes required by the British public in order to make the UK a leading country within the community..they all could start by buying British once again ...." Buy British what? There's hardly any manufacturing left in this country and what there is, is owned by non British companies. | |||
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"I've never been able to work out the maths by those who say we get more out of the EU than we put in... where does that extra money come from...Greece, Portugal or maybe Italy... oh maybe it's Germany. Total bollocks. ..the only ones getting more out of it are those who can't put in much. It's the political and administration systems that get more out of it....they can claim against expenses and fiddles. Tell me my maths is wrong?it hard to believe in this day and age people think getting more has to be seen in cleared cash funds ..in which case the UK get jack shit out of having a royal family ..more UK funds goes into maintaining a royal family than comes out ...." It certainly isn't about just monetary terms...its more about decision making and have more control of who we are and what we can or cannot do. We have lost so much and we can now and do need to start taking back control of that. It's not an over night change...nothing ever is... but if we don't Europe will continue to control and tell us how to live. When will the next opportunity arises? What furthet damage and loss will we take in the mean time? Actually they generate more business that one could imagine. | |||
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"I used to be very eurosceptic. I've been totally convinced by the repeated lies from Brexiteers of the madness of following them. I agree and whilst there are many things that require change within the EU .there are also many changes required by the British public in order to make the UK a leading country within the community..they all could start by buying British once again .... Buy British what? There's hardly any manufacturing left in this country and what there is, is owned by non British companies." Funny but sad at the same time as it's true | |||
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"Hi, thanks for stopping by
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Genuinely interested."I started out with the romantic view that voting out would bring out the best in us, but I've just been saddened by the UKIP/Right Wing Tories and Daily Mail pushing the out agenda and totally lying about the £350m a day paid to the EC. So I have moved to stay, partly as my daughters and most of the younger people I have talked to want a future and see that as being part of Europe. They aren't old colonialists and see the future as being better working with our European partners. We all have our views, it seems likely that most people who will vote to stay won't get over excited about it and therefore won't comment on these forums. So I am hoping for a big turnout as the silent majority are likely to go for stay. But as I've said before, the vote will be final and whichever way it goes we all have to get behind it. | |||
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"I've never been able to work out the maths by those who say we get more out of the EU than we put in... where does that extra money come from...Greece, Portugal or maybe Italy... oh maybe it's Germany. Total bollocks. ..the only ones getting more out of it are those who can't put in much. It's the political and administration systems that get more out of it....they can claim against expenses and fiddles. Tell me my maths is wrong?" Some figures from the house of commons library quoted by Conservative MP Bill Cash a couple of weeks ago. In relation to Britain's relationship with the other 27 countries in the EU Britain has a trade deficit of £67.8 billion pounds annually. When the same is applied to Germany with the other 27 countries in th EU then Germany has a trade surplus of £81.8 billion pounds annually. So a loss for Britain and a gain for Germany, it's working for them, it's clearly not working for us. In contrast the UK had last year a trade surplus with the rest of the world outside of the EU of £31.1 billion pounds and that figure is growing each year, year after year. More prosperous future for Britain is outside of the EU where we can open ourselves up to global trade in a modern globalised world. The EU is out of date an analogue union in a digital age not fit for purpose in the modern globalised world. | |||
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Has anyone changed their mind as a consequence of the debate on Brexit?
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Are any waverers who have read something here and have thought, hmmm, I'm gonna vote one way, or the other or has it confirmed what you already know?
Genuinely interested.
I started out with the romantic view that voting out would bring out the best in us, but I've just been saddened by the UKIP/Right Wing Tories and Daily Mail pushing the out agenda and totally lying about the £350m a day paid to the EC.
So I have moved to stay, partly as my daughters and most of the younger people I have talked to want a future and see that as being part of Europe. They aren't old colonialists and see the future as being better working with our European partners.
We all have our views, it seems likely that most people who will vote to stay won't get over excited about it and therefore won't comment on these forums. So I am hoping for a big turnout as the silent majority are likely to go for stay.
But as I've said before, the vote will be final and whichever way it goes we all have to get behind it. "Not sure how it will be final...It will reappear next election again and dare I say it with disillusioned yes voters...woken up so one reason or another. I'd wager my house on it. | |||
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"I've never been able to work out the maths by those who say we get more out of the EU than we put in... where does that extra money come from...Greece, Portugal or maybe Italy... oh maybe it's Germany. Total bollocks. ..the only ones getting more out of it are those who can't put in much. It's the political and administration systems that get more out of it....they can claim against expenses and fiddles. Tell me my maths is wrong? Some figures from the house of commons library quoted by Conservative MP Bill Cash a couple of weeks ago. In relation to Britain's relationship with the other 27 countries in the EU Britain has a trade deficit of £67.8 billion pounds annually. When the same is applied to Germany with the other 27 countries in th EU then Germany has a trade surplus of £81.8 billion pounds annually. So a loss for Britain and a gain for Germany, it's working for them, it's clearly not working for us. In contrast the UK had last year a trade surplus with the rest of the world outside of the EU of £31.1 billion pounds and that figure is growing each year, year after year. More prosperous future for Britain is outside of the EU where we can open ourselves up to global trade in a modern globalised world. The EU is out of date an analogue union in a digital age not fit for purpose in the modern globalised world. " Plus a Secret government memo that was leaked last week shows EU trade wars are costing the UK billions, and damaging the British economy. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/trade-wars-memo-shows-eu-is-costing-uk-billions/ | |||
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"I've never been able to work out the maths by those who say we get more out of the EU than we put in... where does that extra money come from...Greece, Portugal or maybe Italy... oh maybe it's Germany. Total bollocks. ..the only ones getting more out of it are those who can't put in much. It's the political and administration systems that get more out of it....they can claim against expenses and fiddles. Tell me my maths is wrong? Some figures from the house of commons library quoted by Conservative MP Bill Cash a couple of weeks ago. In relation to Britain's relationship with the other 27 countries in the EU Britain has a trade deficit of £67.8 billion pounds annually. When the same is applied to Germany with the other 27 countries in th EU then Germany has a trade surplus of £81.8 billion pounds annually. So a loss for Britain and a gain for Germany, it's working for them, it's clearly not working for us. In contrast the UK had last year a trade surplus with the rest of the world outside of the EU of £31.1 billion pounds and that figure is growing each year, year after year. More prosperous future for Britain is outside of the EU where we can open ourselves up to global trade in a modern globalised world. The EU is out of date an analogue union in a digital age not fit for purpose in the modern globalised world. " It occurs to me that we might get £67.8 billion pounds worth of goods for that £67.8 billion. That's what trade is about - you act is if the money disappears without trace, perhaps hidden in a dark corner of the House of Commons library? Are those goods suddenly going to become free if we leave the eu? So somewhere in the uk there's a demand for £67.8 billion worth of stuff (far more than that because it's just the balance). What are those goods? Where will you get them from? How do you know it'll cost less and not more? While you dither and make up some response related to sovereignty, U.K. Consumers wii be wondering why you can't keep the supermarkets stocked. | |||
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"I've never been able to work out the maths by those who say we get more out of the EU than we put in... where does that extra money come from...Greece, Portugal or maybe Italy... oh maybe it's Germany. Total bollocks. ..the only ones getting more out of it are those who can't put in much. It's the political and administration systems that get more out of it....they can claim against expenses and fiddles. Tell me my maths is wrong?" Once the rebate the grants direct from the EU and Subsidies to UK farmers are taken account of the Net figure is £161 mill a week. The rest of the income is from international trade and tax. The real scandle is the tax Dodging that would increase income to the Tresury (the public Purse) of £120 Billion a year if it were collected. Making the costs of the EU negligable. | |||
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"How about all the nationalistic people putting there efforts in to buying British made produce by British owned companies in order to make the UK great again ..its only when the attitude of the buying public changes will the UK will succeed!!!!! eeerm yeah, worked well with British Leyland didn't itwell if you wont buy British goods how is the UK ever to succeed ? As a nation of shopkeepers ? ITS ATTITUDE LIKE YOURS THAT HAS DRIVEN THE UK DOWN OVER THE PAST YEARS NOT THE EU ....." As laudable as these buy British campaigns are they're counter productive to achieving their aims | |||
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"In the last 600 years Europe has been a constant battle field with two of the most destructive conflicts known to human kind being started in its confines. The treaty of Rome expressly rules out member states taking up arms against on and other. A united Europe will, in my opinion, provide for a safe place to live and stop the rise of jingoistic isolationism that Boris and his type were taught on the sports fields of Eton. His views and those of his supporters emanate from the colonial origins of his beliefs. You only have to look at Austria and the near election of a white supremacist to feel that things could turn out to be a cluster fuck if we leave Europe. ...and what happens if by stealth the extreme right takeover the European parliament ? What happens if by Leaving the Extream Right take over Britian?" We'll find out how welcome UK refugees will be in other countries. | |||
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"But I'm curious... . Has anyone changed their mind as a consequence of the debate on Brexit?" I seriously like to hope at least one person has read something that has then made them go away, do some research for themselves and think about the issues involved... | |||
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