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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

So have heard all about risks in leaving eu but what about risks of staying in

1 Greece on verge of missing yet another emf repayment so will need yet another bail out

2 Italy perilously close to needing bail out

3 turkey due to join how many people will come here

4 they renege on the so called good deal dodgy dave got us

And that's just what I can think of now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't forget Spain, they are not doing too well!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also there is a growing Anti-EU movement in a lot of countries. I don't think it will be long before the whole thing falls apart. Hopefully we will be out of it when the shit hits the fan!

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

We get to keep the car washes if we stay in

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"So have heard all about risks in leaving eu but what about risks of staying in

1 Greece on verge of missing yet another emf repayment so will need yet another bail out

2 Italy perilously close to needing bail out

3 turkey due to join how many people will come here

4 they renege on the so called good deal dodgy dave got us

And that's just what I can think of now "

1. Fully agree. The Greek problem has not gone away, just sleeping for a while.

2 Possible but not a certainty just yet. Watch this space though. There are quite a few others well and truly in the shit as well. Portugal and Belgium only need a nudge, and the one that no-one wants to talk about France. Yes France would only need a small banking crisis to tip it over the edge. Then all bets on the Euro surviving would be off.

3 To be fair even I don't think Turkey will join any time soon. However a "sweetheart deal" without full membership is not only possible but likely.

4 Juncker and others in the EU have already made noises that the deal isn't worth the paper it is written on. I expect it to be torn up before Xmas.

Expect quite a bit of bad news from the Euro zone but only after 23rd June of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We get to keep the car washes if we stay in

We'll also benefit from low power kettles. toasters and vacuum cleaners! what more could anyone want.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Big trouble in Austria right now, the could follow UK on exit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some fucking do gooder will take my jack boots off me and this little pointing cane I use that I just keep under my arm, just in case I need to point at stuff....

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Big trouble in Austria right now, they could follow UK on exit"

Norbert Hofer of the far right freedom party missed out by 0.6% of the vote in Austria. Less than 30,000 votes in it between him and the winning candidate. Europe very nearly had the first far right head of state since the 2nd world war elected in Austria and much of the blame has to lay at the door of the EU. The EU is failing the people of Europe on so many levels. Rather than uniting the people of Europe the EU is polarising opinion and it is causing anger, frustration and division. What we have just seen in Austria is just the beginning.

The former governor of the bank of England Sir Mervyn King also said he thinks the Eurozone is doomed to failure. It's just a matter of time and the Eurozone is a ticking time bomb. We'd be better off out of the EU when it goes off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some fucking do gooder will take my jack boots off me and this little pointing cane I use that I just keep under my arm, just in case I need to point at stuff....

Quite right, Frau Merkel needs them!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Greece are going to miss another payment to the emf? That's unbelievable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you the euro zone fails weather the UK is in or out it will still be massively affected if it fails it will be a global recession

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Greece are going to miss another payment to the emf? That's unbelievable

Will we have to cough up for them?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Today on the news a group of a dozen former military officers warn of the dangers of staying in the EU and support a Brexit, recommending a Leave vote for Britain. They say staying in the EU will undermine Nato and could possibly lead to the break up of Nato if the EU develops an EU defence force (Jean Claude Juncker has already said he wants this). The dozen military veterans say Putin does not fear and will not fear an EU army, Putin only fears the USA. If the creation of an EU defence force leads to the break up of Nato then Putin would be very happy about that as USA would be out of the picture in Europe.

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

Turkey isn't joining the EU anytime soon. That train left the station in the 90's. The rest of your points are piffle as if we were out of the EU and Italy had problems the city of London would have huge problems regardless of membership. Personally I don't want pound devaluation caused by Brexit and knock on affects to the economy.

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

"Today on the news a group of a dozen former military officers warn of the dangers of staying in the EU and support a Brexit, recommending a Leave vote for Britain. They say staying in the EU will undermine Nato and could possibly lead to the break up of Nato if the EU develops an EU defence force (Jean Claude Juncker has already said he wants this). The dozen military veterans say Putin does not fear and will not fear an EU army, Putin only fears the USA. If the creation of an EU defence force leads to the break up of Nato then Putin would be very happy about that as USA would be out of the picture in Europe. "

I thought Putin was a hero for Farage ?

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By *aulnorthumberlandMan over a year ago

Blyth

China are looking to do a deal with the euro zone regarding exports just what we need after the steel fiasco you would think our leaders would say no chance .but then again i wont be holding my breath

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

Well done for speaking up pro Europe man I thought you'd all gone quiet with it being a pro brexit thread xx

However I was merely pointing out that whether the remain campaign like to admit it or not the ARE serious risks in staying in

As for Italy failing of course it would affect us London is the major financial hub of Europe if any country fails it effect us all its the very reason we keep on bailing Greece out but if no infact when the euro zone fails the countries that will fare best will be those not in eu

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

I've given up caring, tbh

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"So have heard all about risks in leaving eu but what about risks of staying in

1 Greece on verge of missing yet another emf repayment so will need yet another bail out

2 Italy perilously close to needing bail out

3 turkey due to join how many people will come here

4 they renege on the so called good deal dodgy dave got us

And that's just what I can think of now "

1) any further bailout(s) will only involve money from eurozone countries.... we are not part of the eurozone

2) any further bailout(s) will only involve money from eurozone countries.... we are not part of the eurozone

3) turkey are not going to be admitted to the EU anytime soon.... even boris johnson admits that..... it is being made like turkey just applied to join...they have been trying since 1993!!!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Junker can try to have what he like re: the EU army... but the UK has an opt-out over things regarding national security (actually so do ireland and denmark).... so that is another red herring

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

"Well done for speaking up pro Europe man I thought you'd all gone quiet with it being a pro brexit thread xx

However I was merely pointing out that whether the remain campaign like to admit it or not the ARE serious risks in staying in

I don't think are blast barriers are strong enough if it happens

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By *an_WoodMan over a year ago

Stafford

Our not are

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

I want out, purely because that no top lipped wanker of a pm says stay in.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

News link for this story...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36371104

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

Junker can try to have what he like re: the EU army... but the UK has an opt-out over things regarding national security (actually so do ireland and denmark).... so that is another red herring"

Not a red herring at all, the formation of an EU defence force was mentioned in the Treaty of Lisbon, so it is written into the EU treaties. Don't just take my word for it, listen to what Colonel Richard Kemp says in the video where he confirms it on the link.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36371104

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This should be called the men's thread...not one woman posted....only 1 couple and I bet it was the man who posted......and I've gatecrashed as the first tv

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Junker can try to have what he like re: the EU army... but the UK has an opt-out over things regarding national security (actually so do ireland and denmark).... so that is another red herring"

Do you think the opt out would be used?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This should be called the men's thread...not one woman posted....only 1 couple and I bet it was the man who posted......and I've gatecrashed as the first tv

Aww shit going blind 2 couples

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

David Cameron has said publically many times in the past that he supports Turkey joining the EU and he would like to see Turkey join the EU.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950

The UK is also paying a total of £1.8 billion to help Turkey, Mecedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Albania join the EU. The UK government has agreed to pay £1.2 billion under the EU Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance to these countries between 2014 and 2020, or £169.5 million per year. This is half the annual NHS Cancer drugs fund. In addition to the £1.2 billion payment under the EU Instrument for Pre-accession Assistance, the UK will pay Turkey a further £640 million as part of the recent Turkey/EU deal on the migrant crisis, of which part of the agreed terms of that deal Turkey will get its membership to the EU Fast-tracked.

The £1.2 billion plus the additional £640 million to Turkey makes a total payment of £1.8 billion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it only the uk paying that 1m2 billion or thw whole of the eu

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By *aulnorthumberlandMan over a year ago

Blyth

Any further bailouts will only involve countrys in the eurozone so where do you think our 100 mill plus we put in a week goes

Im voting to leave so if we do leave i must apologize when your morgage goes up.you lose your house.you cant afford a holiday new clothes or any nice food,allso sorry about when you all lose your jobs and inflation rocketing.im allso sorry about the pound going tits up.i assume non of the above will happen if we stay in can you guarentee my morgage mr osbourne?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Junker can try to have what he like re: the EU army... but the UK has an opt-out over things regarding national security (actually so do ireland and denmark).... so that is another red herring

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36371104

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"This should be called the men's thread...not one woman posted....only 1 couple and I bet it was the man who posted......and I've gatecrashed as the first tv

Women are having their say on Mumsnet. A mumsnet poll which came out last weekend showed the following results of how people on the site intend to vote in this referendum....

Leave 46%

Remain 37%

This was a boost for the Brexit side as it was previously thought a majority of women may be in favour of remaining but the mumsnet poll showed otherwise.

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

"So have heard all about risks in leaving eu but what about risks of staying in

1 Greece on verge of missing yet another emf repayment so will need yet another bail out

2 Italy perilously close to needing bail out

3 turkey due to join how many people will come here

4 they renege on the so called good deal dodgy dave got us

And that's just what I can think of now "
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How right you are again:

Yes, Turkey joining the EU is around the corner - and apparently, according to Vote Leave, most of Turkey's population are criminals, terrorists or gangsters just waiting to take all our jobs whilst they are scrounging benefits from us.

Turkey's membership must be around the corner now as they originally applied to join in 1987 and they have already completed 1 of the 35 chapters they need to complete before they can join the EU (yes, I know. It IS the easy one - Science & Technology, but Vote Leave MUST be certain that Judiciary & Fundamental Rights and Financial Policy & Budgetary Provisions etc. are just around the corner - though for some reason the EU doesn't think so)

Vote Leave are right on the ball that it makes no difference that EVERY country in the EU can veto Turkey's application or that Turkey DOESN'T EVEN RECOGNISE one of the EU governments - Cyprus. I'm certain too that that'll get sorted next week and there will be Turkish criminals, scroungers and benefits cheats filling up the trains from France before you can say 'up yours Delors'

And then there's that £350 million a week that we send to the EU.....that figure that even John Redwood today admitted was a complete fiction....

Oh and the fact that Greece quietly get the next tranche of it's loan guarantees today....

And that isn't half of what I can think of now.....

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

"This should be called the men's thread...not one woman posted....only 1 couple and I bet it was the man who posted......and I've gatecrashed as the first tv

Women are having their say on Mumsnet. A mumsnet poll which came out last weekend showed the following results of how people on the site intend to vote in this referendum....

Leave 46%

Remain 37%

This was a boost for the Brexit side as it was previously thought a majority of women may be in favour of remaining but the mumsnet poll showed otherwise. "

GREAT NEWS! Brexit is really winning now!

I did a poll of my friends this week (it's about as statistically relevant as a Mumsnet poll because neither are in the slightest representative)...and 100% of them said they will vote Remain.

This is a great boost for Brexit, as a dog in the corner of the pub went 'woof'.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Junker can try to have what he like re: the EU army... but the UK has an opt-out over things regarding national security (actually so do ireland and denmark).... so that is another red herring

Do you think the opt out would be used?"

i don't think the idea of a european army excites the uk public, so i don't think anyone UK government would take that risk of being unpopular... the same like not removing the pound.. especially since nato is a much more popular fallback (you could not imagine any situation that the EU army would be in that nato would not...)

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i did find it interesting that the IFS study on brexit was released today... and where they did say there would be big financial savings.... these would be swamped by the negative costings such as a decrease in the size of the UK economy...

the funny thing for me is that a certain mr nigel farage accused them of being biased... and in the pocket of the EU.....

but he thought so much of the IFS as being THE most respected independent economic body that he got them to do a cost analysis of the entire UK general election manifesto last year, to which they said his plans were "cost neutral" (which actually i think was the smartest and most savy thing any party did in the entire election cycle)

oh how things change in a year, eh nigel????

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"i did find it interesting that the IFS study on brexit was released today... and where they did say there would be big financial savings.... these would be swamped by the negative costings such as a decrease in the size of the UK economy...

the funny thing for me is that a certain mr nigel farage accused them of being biased... and in the pocket of the EU.....

oh how things change in a year, eh nigel????

Maybe they were neutral then but biased now? After all, the conservatives have made several u turns in recent weeks in a poorly concealed attempt to minimise internal divisions, the academisation of schools, for example. So Farage has made a u turn on his believe that they are no longer neutral.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Biggest risk I see,apart from immigration,is the prospect that 'in vote' gives free light to whatever daft ideas eu come up with,basically it would say to them do whatever they like with us,who knows what they'l area up next?????

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Junker can try to have what he like re: the EU army... but the UK has an opt-out over things regarding national security (actually so do ireland and denmark).... so that is another red herring

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36371104

erm.... actually.... it does....

it would come under the opt out the 3 countries have under the title "The area of freedom, security and justice (AFSJ)"

p.s its covered under the treaty of amsterdam.......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Biggest risk I see,apart from immigration,is the prospect that 'in vote' gives free light to whatever daft ideas eu come up with,basically it would say to them do whatever they like with us,who knows what they'l area up next?????"

Exactly, if we vote to stay the brakes will be off!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Any further bailouts will only involve countrys in the eurozone so where do you think our 100 mill plus we put in a week goes

Even leading figures on the Remain side don't take Osbourne and Cameron's claims seriously anymore. Nicola Sturgeon leader of the SNP who is a staunch Remain supporter said the other day, Osbourne's Treasury reports were "Overblown" and "not credible". Nicola Sturgeon also said Cameron and Osbourne were insulting the intelligence of the British public with the wild claims they have been making about the economy in the event of a Brexit. Even the Pro-EU Financial Times said "More likely the numbers are just made up". Nicola Sturgeon also said that Cameron and Osbourne's scaremongering tactics could backfire on them in this referendum campaign.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think there will be a recession if we vote to leave and this the £188m we give to the EU per week will be woes out of the economy shrinks by just 0.6%, and it is predicted that the economy will shrink by about 2%. However, I think the UK economy will bounce back after a year or two and then it will be jam for ever. I listened to radio 4 this morning so that where o got the stats from.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This should be called the men's thread...not one woman posted....only 1 couple and I bet it was the man who posted......and I've gatecrashed as the first tv

Women are having their say on Mumsnet. A mumsnet poll which came out last weekend showed the following results of how people on the site intend to vote in this referendum....

Leave 46%

Remain 37%

This was a boost for the Brexit side as it was previously thought a majority of women may be in favour of remaining but the mumsnet poll showed otherwise. "

Great news...not that the women aren't here..the sway of the poll

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Any further bailouts will only involve countrys in the eurozone so where do you think our 100 mill plus we put in a week goes

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/"

hold your ears open for the exit 5 seconds.... because you are going to hear something i don't think will be said till after the ref

"i agree with you......"

well.... i don't actually really agree with YOU... I do agree with nicola

if you go and read the report itself... its actually a stunner... the way its being interpreted by cameron and osbourne does really make me cringe....

it would have may more sense just to say the report is out... and let the economists and people like peston and flanders tell people whats in it... because the report in itself is actually very credible and isn't that sensationalist if you take the time to actually read it....

there was no need to sensationalise it... let it be a stand alone piece just like the IFS brexit report was done today.....

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

the funny thing for me is that a certain mr nigel farage accused them of being biased... and in the pocket of the EU.....

oh how things change in a year, eh nigel????

Nigel Farage said that the IFS get EU funding, just like the CBI and the IMF, so maybe they have a conflict of interest.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i know... i wonder where that mad "working week" restriction came from.....

and the rights to materity/paterity leave and pay... i mean, what upstart organisation would do something like that!!!!

equal pay for women.... i know... what codswallop!!!!

and lets not even talk about clean water and clean air!!!!!! bring back the smog!! thats what i say.......

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

See above. Fabio is right. The EU forced the Uk to clean up our water and beaches. Clearly, had they not done so we would have remained as 'the dirty man of Europe'. I also don't want long distance lorry drivers being able to drive for as long as they want with no rest breaks as one of their breaks might be into me and my car.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Junker can try to have what he like re: the EU army... but the UK has an opt-out over things regarding national security (actually so do ireland and denmark).... so that is another red herring

Do you think the opt out would be used?

Uk troops are already part of the existing EU battle groups under the command of the council though.

Have been for years

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i know... i wonder where that mad "working week" restriction came from.....

and the rights to materity/paterity leave and pay... i mean, what upstart organisation would do something like that!!!!

equal pay for women.... i know... what codswallop!!!!

and lets not even talk about clean water and clean air!!!!!! bring back the smog!! thats what i say.......

Clean air!, you wanna try living darn 'ere!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i know... i wonder where that mad "working week" restriction came from.....

and the rights to materity/paterity leave and pay... i mean, what upstart organisation would do something like that!!!!

equal pay for women.... i know... what codswallop!!!!

and lets not even talk about clean water and clean air!!!!!! bring back the smog!! thats what i say.......

Can we get equal deaths at work please?

If we're all getting paid the same seems a bit harsh men make up ~95% of the deaths

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i know... i wonder where that mad "working week" restriction came from.....

and the rights to materity/paterity leave and pay... i mean, what upstart organisation would do something like that!!!!

equal pay for women.... i know... what codswallop!!!!

and lets not even talk about clean water and clean air!!!!!! bring back the smog!! thats what i say.......

Can we get equal deaths at work please?

If we're all getting paid the same seems a bit harsh men make up ~95% of the deaths"

And can we die at equal ages after retirement please?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i know... i wonder where that mad "working week" restriction came from.....

and the rights to materity/paterity leave and pay... i mean, what upstart organisation would do something like that!!!!

equal pay for women.... i know... what codswallop!!!!

and lets not even talk about clean water and clean air!!!!!! bring back the smog!! thats what i say.......

Can we get equal deaths at work please?

If we're all getting paid the same seems a bit harsh men make up ~95% of the deaths

And can we die at equal ages after retirement please?"

Men should just retire sooner to make it equal tbh.

60 for men 65 for women.

Otherwise we're leaning towarss logans run

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

i know... i wonder where that mad "working week" restriction came from.....

and the rights to materity/paterity leave and pay... i mean, what upstart organisation would do something like that!!!!

equal pay for women.... i know... what codswallop!!!!

and lets not even talk about clean water and clean air!!!!!! bring back the smog!! thats what i say.......

Past UK government introduced many workers rights which are enjoyed today long before the EU did, so the EU is somewhat lagging in that area. I watched an EU debate on Parliament television channel last week, it was Suzanne Evans and Chris Grayling making the case for Leave, and Caroline Lucas and Hilary Benn making the case for remain. Suzanne Evans pointed out in that debate that the UK offers workers here more maternity/paternity leave than the EU rules say should be allowed, so the uk government is actually exceeding the EU in that area. Workers here in Britain get more maternity/paternity paid leave than they do in many mainland European EU countries.

I do agree with you on the clean water and beeches thing, its one of the few good things to actually come out of the EU. No reason why we can't continue with keeping beeches clean if we leave the EU now though. But if you want to talk about Green and environmental issues, the EU is actually now forcing Britain into the Whalemeat trade. Conservative MP and Minister of state for the environment, food and rural Affiars (DEFRA) George Eustice, has been the whistleblower on this as we are now as a result of the EU rules of the free movement of goods, the UK is a "middle man" for the Whalemeat trade between Iceland and Japan. His attempts to ban the whalemeat shipments have so far been thwarted by the EU. Story here....

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is already the Fourth Reich, United States of Germany. The Syrian refugee crisis proves that. They invite a million people to their country and when they find they can't cope decide to spread them out among the EU. Shouldn't they consult the other 27 countries before making these decisions ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i know... i wonder where that mad "working week" restriction came from.....

and the rights to materity/paterity leave and pay... i mean, what upstart organisation would do something like that!!!!

equal pay for women.... i know... what codswallop!!!!

and lets not even talk about clean water and clean air!!!!!! bring back the smog!! thats what i say.......

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-forces-britain-into-whalemeat-trade-says-minister-99ts2vrpf"

When the European parliament voted against ivory trading there were about 12 MEPs in the entire place who voted agains it. Six of them were our very own ukip MEPs ncluding Nigel Farage.

I don't think ukip and its followers are in a position to lecture anyone on conservation matters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is already the Fourth Reich, United States of Germany. The Syrian refugee crisis proves that. They invite a million people to their country and when they find they can't cope decide to spread them out among the EU. Shouldn't they consult the other 27 countries before making these decisions ?"

Don't be silly, you can't consult people.

You might get the wrong answer!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Big trouble in Austria right now, they could follow UK on exit

Exactly

sadly so many in UK bury heads in sand and cannot see this coming

Its not just Austria either, many more are heading same way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Staying in the EU will inevitably lead to a rise in the far right throughout Europe as more ordinary indigenous working people feel disenfranchised by the super state and look for an outlet to vent their frustration - just as Trump could be in charge of the US you could end up with some equally odious crew at the helm of the EU.

there you go - there's a nice bit of anti-EU scaremongering.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The tramp of marching jackboots echoes down the ages.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The tramp of marching jackboots echoes down the ages.....

... well the tiny patter is starting to rumble in Österreich

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"The tramp of marching jackboots echoes down the ages.....

and the sad thing is that both sides of the arguement is playing on that fear.... and there was no need for the in side to play it.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The tramp of marching jackboots echoes down the ages.....

and the sad thing is that both sides of the arguement is playing on that fear.... and there was no need for the in side to play it....."

It is the unfortunate consequence of trying to turn a trading block in to a superstate

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

it doesn't matter which side wins the referendum, the jack boots they'll be wearing when they kick down your front door on the 24th of june will be made in china

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it doesn't matter which side wins the referendum, the jack boots they'll be wearing when they kick down your front door on the 24th of june will be made in china"

And as the lefties have made sure we won't be able to protect ourselves from them, there's nothing we can do to stop them.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

I heard they want to harmonize all the different languages and make French the official eu language like they do with the Olympics and that, they wanna make the kids learn it in school an everything

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"it doesn't matter which side wins the referendum, the jack boots they'll be wearing when they kick down your front door on the 24th of june will be made in china

And as the lefties have made sure we won't be able to protect ourselves from them, there's nothing we can do to stop them."

if you're not a leftie then you're the one wearing the jackboots

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it doesn't matter which side wins the referendum, the jack boots they'll be wearing when they kick down your front door on the 24th of june will be made in china

And as the lefties have made sure we won't be able to protect ourselves from them, there's nothing we can do to stop them."

You can always join Captain Mainwaring, Corporal Jones et al

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it doesn't matter which side wins the referendum, the jack boots they'll be wearing when they kick down your front door on the 24th of june will be made in china

And as the lefties have made sure we won't be able to protect ourselves from them, there's nothing we can do to stop them.

You can always join Captain Mainwaring, Corporal Jones et al"

I wish.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"it doesn't matter which side wins the referendum, the jack boots they'll be wearing when they kick down your front door on the 24th of june will be made in china

And as the lefties have made sure we won't be able to protect ourselves from them, there's nothing we can do to stop them.

You can always join Captain Mainwaring, Corporal Jones et al"

they're a bit too socialist for clem .... something further right of combat 18 would suit him more

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By *elovetofuck2Couple over a year ago

cannock

Somebody said to me today "if the referendum was the other way round and you were asked ...should the UK vote to join the Eu, pay millions a week in membership etc.. what would you answer be?

I said no way... and there is my answer I'm voting out lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm surprised they haven't wheeled some kind of euro conglomerate in to save our broken steel industry. The government of course can't do it. It would be against euro rules of some kind I'm sure.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"it doesn't matter which side wins the referendum, the jack boots they'll be wearing when they kick down your front door on the 24th of june will be made in china

And as the lefties have made sure we won't be able to protect ourselves from them, there's nothing we can do to stop them.

You can always join Captain Mainwaring, Corporal Jones et al

I wish."

Don't panic, Clem

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"I'm surprised they haven't wheeled some kind of euro conglomerate in to save our broken steel industry. The government of course can't do it. It would be against euro rules of some kind I'm sure."

i'm surprised you care enough to even mention it .... but i guess there's no real need for them to step in. it seems like they're going back gupta and start to recycle all the shonky planes built by ham-fisted british aircraft builders for the last 25 years and all the badly thought out custom cars that no one wants to buy

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By *icked weaselCouple over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

WHy Not Stay IN Europe..

It`s Doing SO Well eh..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"WHy Not Stay IN Europe..

It`s Doing SO Well eh..

Yeah, 23 million unemployed is nothing is it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just breaking the seal as the first girl on this thread

Simply to say

I haven't got a clue what u are on about

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

"Past UK government introduced many workers rights which are enjoyed today long before the EU did, so the EU is somewhat lagging in that area.f"

YOU ARE SO RIGHT. AGAIN.

For instance, access to paid annual holidays, improved health and safety protection, rights to unpaid parental leave, rights to time off work for urgent family reasons, equal treatment rights for part-time, fixed-term and agency workers, rights for outsourced workers, and rights for workers’ representatives to receive information and be consulted.

Oh, no.....wait, they were all introduced by the EU. But I'm sure there were some.

Which makes it very strange that the TUC itself is against Brexit. Still, what do they know about workers rights. Not as much as you clearly.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Somebody said to me today "if the referendum was the other way round and you were asked ...should the UK vote to join the Eu, pay millions a week in membership etc.. what would you answer be?

I said no way... and there is my answer I'm voting out lol "

Great value to pay so little, for the great financial benefits is the view of Johnson, when he's not being a liar.

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

the funny thing for me is that a certain mr nigel farage accused them of being biased... and in the pocket of the EU.....

oh how things change in a year, eh nigel????

Nigel Farage said that the IFS get EU funding, just like the CBI and the IMF, so maybe they have a conflict of interest. "

LOL!

Where does Farage and UKIP get their funding? Oh, yes. By taking expenses for representing the UK electorate in the European Parliament and then not bothering to turn up.

Still, at least they don't have a conflict of interest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't quite work out whether the EU is a Nazi nursery or a Commie superstate, a capitalist elite plaything or a liberal immigrants fantasy world.

Please help.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"... I'm certain too that that'll get sorted next week and there will be Turkish criminals, scroungers and benefits cheats filling up the trains from France before you can say 'up yours Delors'..."

The deal with the EU allows 77 million Turkish citizens FREE MOVEMENT within Europe, and I believe they can apply for a European passport if they are in any European country for 4 years, meaning they can then come into the UK.

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

"I can't quite work out whether the EU is a Nazi nursery or a Commie superstate, a capitalist elite plaything or a liberal immigrants fantasy world.

Please help."

As Einstein said 'everything is relative'. It depends on where you are standing when you look at it.

Maybe it's just a group of 28 developed European nations working together.

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

Fabia where do I begin but what else is there for the ramain campaign but fear all they talk is ifs and maybes they point blank refuelling to concede that there would be gains from leaving and only point out the worst case scenario of any report at least the leave campaign admits there are risks in leaving but believe they are worth taking

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right none

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

""... I'm certain too that that'll get sorted next week and there will be Turkish criminals, scroungers and benefits cheats filling up the trains from France before you can say 'up yours Delors'..."

ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS! Shockingly ignorant!

It gives them 6months visa free travel within the Schengen zone - exactly the same as citizens of Brazil, Guatamala, Honduras...in fact just about every country in Central and South America, Indonesia, Japan..........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Greece are going to miss another payment to the emf? That's unbelievable

I sang along in my head whist the rest flew way over my blonde locks! Bravo

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

"Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right none"

Oh my god. Holds head in hands.

OK, so China has about 1 in 7 of the world's total population inside its market.

India has about 1 in 7 of the world's population inside its market.

So, no. They haven't felt the need to join in an economic community to increase their market size.

But, Brazil.....you have obviously never heard of Mercosur (copied from the EU's example)

Russia....you have obviously never heard of the Eurasian Evonomic Union.

Korea? OK, I'll give you Korea.

Otherwise, I'd recommend reading more

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right none"
did that info come from the beano ? Last yr brazil grew by -3% rusia by -3.9 south Korea 1.7% ( well Spain did better 3.1% but we wont mention them because there EU) only china did well so lets scrap human rights and democracy and be like them ...

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

the funny thing for me is that a certain mr nigel farage accused them of being biased... and in the pocket of the EU.....

oh how things change in a year, eh nigel????

Nigel Farage said that the IFS get EU funding, just like the CBI and the IMF, so maybe they have a conflict of interest.

LOL!

Where does Farage and UKIP get their funding? Oh, yes. By taking expenses for representing the UK electorate in the European Parliament and then not bothering to turn up.

Still, at least they don't have a conflict of interest."

LOL!

UKIP and Farage obviously don't have a conflict of interest because they are campaigning for Britain to leave the EU. The UKIP MEP's are effectively campaigning to make themselves unemployed because they will be out of a job if we leave the EU so no more need for any British MEP'S in the EU parliament.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Past UK government introduced many workers rights which are enjoyed today long before the EU did, so the EU is somewhat lagging in that area.f

YOU ARE SO RIGHT. AGAIN.

Oh, no.....wait, they were all introduced by the EU. But I'm sure there were some.

Which makes it very strange that the TUC itself is against Brexit. Still, what do they know about workers rights. Not as much as you clearly."

There were some in my post of maternity/paternity pay which you conveniently cut out when you selectively quoted only one sentence from my entire post. Far be it from you to deliberately try to mislead anyone in that way though.

The RMT trade union along with other trade unions are in favour of Brexit and say the EU does nothing for ordinary British workers.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I can't quite work out whether the EU is a Nazi nursery or a Commie superstate, a capitalist elite plaything or a liberal immigrants fantasy world.

Please help."

The EU Schengen zone is a terrorist's wet dream come true. The head of interpol said you may as well hang a sign up in the Schengen saying "terrorist's welcome here" as they can move across borders freely. We have already seen it happen with the Paris terror attacks last year.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right nonedid that info come from the beano ? Last yr brazil grew by -3% rusia by -3.9 south Korea 1.7% ( well Spain did better 3.1% but we wont mention them because there EU) only china did well so lets scrap human rights and democracy and be like them ..."

Ah yes Spain that country is doing so well with its sky high Levels of unemployment isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The TUC had not decided which side to support in the referendum until they had seen what Cameron came back with in his negotiations, which was nothing so no change there, so they are not particularly pro EU, just anti Tory

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

"Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right none

Oh my god. Holds head in hands.

OK, so China has about 1 in 7 of the world's total population inside its market.

India has about 1 in 7 of the world's population inside its market.

So, no. They haven't felt the need to join in an economic community to increase their market size.

But, Brazil.....you have obviously never heard of Mercosur (copied from the EU's example)

Russia....you have obviously never heard of the Eurasian Evonomic Union.

Korea? OK, I'll give you Korea.

Otherwise, I'd recommend reading more

So China and India have got huge populations of supposedly very poor people but and the main reason they have grown w over the last few years is they are self sufficient and import relatively little

I admit I had not heard of mercosur but as for the eu it only came into being in late 2014 and was only finalised last year so how do you explain the seven years before that and being honest the members are all former Soviet countries so it's a bit insignificant anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

France=fucked Sweden=fucked Belgium=fucked Germany=proper fucked Austria=fucked Greece=shagged England=on the verge of being proper fucked.....immigration big problem for all Europe as all the countries listed have experienced,so let's all welcome them here so they don't have to work,rape women,commit crime,abuse the nhs without putting in,Yeah on this this lets stay in the e.u and let generations down who have died for this country.I know my grandad hated the way this country has became and other generations must be turning in there grave for the morals people have today and the way people have just let the country go down hill without a fight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In all the years we have been apart of the EU this country has struggled.

I don't know if leaving would be better. No one does because it's never happened before. All these people speculating are full of it.

Only truth is that politicians are split down the middle which means we should never have been given a vote.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We get to keep the car washes if we stay in

We'll also benefit from low power kettles. toasters and vacuum cleaners! what more could anyone want.

Do you think we could go back to imperial weights and measures, I've never got the hang of metric

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

It produces 5 armies a turn *if* you can hold it - it's very vulnerable - you're much better off trying to take over North America, tbh.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Greece are going to miss another payment to the emf? That's unbelievable

... don't worry, I got your joke

https://youtu.be/R63gYHIgaB0

Cal

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"It produces 5 armies a turn *if* you can hold it - it's very vulnerable - you're much better off trying to take over North America, tbh."

No, because you can build up in Russia and then straight through Canada.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"It produces 5 armies a turn *if* you can hold it - it's very vulnerable - you're much better off trying to take over North America, tbh.

No, because you can build up in Russia and then straight through Canada. "

It's still a bitch to hold tho'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't forget Spain, they are not doing too well!"
Èire ain't doing much better either

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"France=fucked Sweden=fucked Belgium=fucked Germany=proper fucked Austria=fucked Greece=shagged England=on the verge of being proper fucked.....immigration big problem for all Europe as all the countries listed have experienced,so let's all welcome them here so they don't have to work,rape women,commit crime,abuse the nhs without putting in,Yeah on this this lets stay in the e.u and let generations down who have died for this country.I know my grandad hated the way this country has became and other generations must be turning in there grave for the morals people have today and the way people have just let the country go down hill without a fight

"
you don't have to be in the EU to have what is portrayed by the media as a problem .leaving wont solve any problems only produce different ones ..we had control in the 60's take a long look at the nation at that time !!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right nonedid that info come from the beano ? Last yr brazil grew by -3% rusia by -3.9 south Korea 1.7% ( well Spain did better 3.1% but we wont mention them because there EU) only china did well so lets scrap human rights and democracy and be like them ...

Ah yes Spain that country is doing so well with its sky high Levels of unemployment isn't it. "

I believe youth unemployment in Spain is currently running at 50%

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we're all doomed captain Mainwaring

doomed,

. doomed I say

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By *aulnorthumberlandMan over a year ago

Blyth

Can anyone tell me why a country that is 1trillion in debt borrows money from one organization and gives it straight to another

Organization

In case your wondering who would be so daft its us

Yes thick as fuck

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right nonedid that info come from the beano ? Last yr brazil grew by -3% rusia by -3.9 south Korea 1.7% ( well Spain did better 3.1% but we wont mention them because there EU) only china did well so lets scrap human rights and democracy and be like them ...

Ah yes Spain that country is doing so well with its sky high Levels of unemployment isn't it.

I believe youth unemployment in Spain is currently running at 50%

"
just goes to show a nation that is growing at 3.1% doesn't necessarily benefit it citizens ..beware after brexit a growing UK wont necessarily benefit anyone except the wealthy of course

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

So todaya poster has come out stereotyping all leave supporters as racist thugs it's funny then that so far in this thread the only person who has been rude sarcastic and passive agressive to I was hoping that as emotive subject as it is that people could remain civil at least

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

the funny thing for me is that a certain mr nigel farage accused them of being biased... and in the pocket of the EU.....

oh how things change in a year, eh nigel????

Nigel Farage said that the IFS get EU funding, just like the CBI and the IMF, so maybe they have a conflict of interest.

LOL!

Where does Farage and UKIP get their funding? Oh, yes. By taking expenses for representing the UK electorate in the European Parliament and then not bothering to turn up.

Still, at least they don't have a conflict of interest.

LOL!

It would be a much better idea if they cut out the middlemen and quit now. They're a waste of space and money and a disaster for anyone who expected a democratic representative in Europe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe it's just a group of 28 developed European nations dictated to by Germany."

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By *htcMan over a year ago

Its not just those.

5 of the worlds poorest country's are going to join Europe with Turkey one of them

Eu is going to have only one military, European military, ordered by the European union.

Immigration will never decrease unless we leave

Europe will force us to pay more and integrate more laws on us.

As contract Dave signed with them is usless.

That's just a start..

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By *htcMan over a year ago

"Wow it's been busy while my tablet was charging

The five biggest growth economies of the years since the financial crisis have been Brazil Russia India China and Korea how many of them are part of an economic community that's right none

Oh my god. Holds head in hands.

OK, so China has about 1 in 7 of the world's total population inside its market.

India has about 1 in 7 of the world's population inside its market.

So, no. They haven't felt the need to join in an economic community to increase their market size.

But, Brazil.....you have obviously never heard of Mercosur (copied from the EU's example)

Russia....you have obviously never heard of the Eurasian Evonomic Union.

Korea? OK, I'll give you Korea.

Otherwise, I'd recommend reading more

So China and India have got huge populations of supposedly very poor people but and the main reason they have grown w over the last few years is they are self sufficient and import relatively little

Thing is China may look poor but cost of living is very low compared to here. Hence why they pay low wages.

Bottle of water, 6p, bottle of 30p. Even eating out is cheap.

Luxury brand new fernished apartment about 75k. Even brand new car 7k. And the car is not a basic car like those kias you see cheap. Cheaper copy of a land rover basically.

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

You should be ashamed - though I doubt you will be.

It's views like yours that make my former generations turn in there grave for the morals people like you have today.

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By *ittie4UCouple over a year ago

Watford

"So todaya poster has come out stereotyping all leave supporters as racist thugs it's funny then that so far in this thread the only person who has been rude sarcastic and passive agressive to I was hoping that as emotive subject as it is that people could remain civil at least"

Hardly stereotyping. Have you actually read some of the posts on here?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'Could possibly lead to the break up of nato' you say? So you mean it won't happen except inside someone's fevered imagination? 'If the creation of an eu defence force leads to the break up of nato' you say. Note the 'if' to follow the 'could'. What evidence have you for that apart from that fevered imagination and that making things up suits your ukip point of view?

Russia is only afraid of the USA according to 'your' military veterans, so what's the point of nato anyway? Isn't it just a load of unelected American led bureaucrats telling our government and our armed forces what to do? That sounds like it'll be the next treaty that ukip wants to wriggle out of in the name of sovereignty.

Most of us would hope not because the UK is stronger remaining in.

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

It is true there will be a short term hiccup in the UK's economy when we leave but it will be just that a tiny amount short term. The figure is around 2% that is nowhere near the 7% fall during the last recession.

It is also forecast that would last around 2 years and that 2% fall will be from a higher base level.

It is also true that the UK’s exports to the EU have fallen for the last 20 years.

If we look to the future the EU is failing and unless there is drastic change it is doubtful whether it will last another 50 years.

Now is the time to leave and build on the UK’s current strong presence in the world rather than drift aimlessly along until the failing EU drags us down with it.

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

Hardly stereotyping. Have you actually read some of the posts on here? "

Well I am not a racist or a thug and I'm not against immigration just want it to totally benefit us , so I was personally offended by it

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?"

Absolutely not, especially when we have the 8th Highest EU dept and the whole of the UK is going down the tube, health service, schools, roads all gone to shit

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?"

Can I have a link for that please.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any further bailouts will only involve countrys in the eurozone so where do you think our 100 mill plus we put in a week goes

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/nicola-sturgeon-warns-overblown-treasury-brexit-report-could-bac/

hold your ears open for the exit 5 seconds.... because you are going to hear something i don't think will be said till after the ref

"i agree with you......"

well.... i don't actually really agree with YOU... I do agree with nicola

if you go and read the report itself... its actually a stunner... the way its being interpreted by cameron and osbourne does really make me cringe....

there was no need to sensationalise it... let it be a stand alone piece just like the IFS brexit report was done today....."

Of course when it comes to sensationalism, we'll be hearing a lot of apologies from UKIP and Brexit for the £350 million a week lie, won't we? Here's what the unanimous Treasury select committee report says about that today:

"Brexit will not result in a £350m per week fiscal windfall to the Exchequer as a consequence of ending the UK’s contributions to the EU budget. Despite having been presented with the evidence contradicting this claim, Vote Leave has subsequently placed the £350m figure on its campaign bus, and on much of its recent campaign literature. The public should discount this claim. Vote Leave’s persistence with it is deeply problematic."

It's time to repaint that battlebus, start telling the truth and admit that the Brexit campaign is based on a lie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

regardless if the decided amount, with the amount of dept we owe and the position of 8th highest dept in EU why should we be paying more than any other country into the EU apart from Germany,

again with the UK on its arse and schools, NHS, roads, and the health of the majority of UK residents in an extremely poor state?

not to mention flooding

oh sorry just did

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

"So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?

Can I have a link for that please....."

Alan Johnson on last night's bbc debate in response to leave saying we send 365 million a week but nobody can actually say exactly where we get the money back

A couple of analogies

1 if you were on a sinking ship with no way of stopping it would you get on the lifeboat or swap with the captain and go down with it

2 if your best friend was in abusive relationship and their partner was bleeding them dry would any of you advise them to stay in that relationship

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

regardless of the decided amount, with the amount of dept we owe and the position of 8th highest dept in EU why should we be paying more than any other country into the EU apart from Germany,

again with the UK on its arse and schools, NHS, roads, and the health of the majority of UK residents in an extremely poor state?

not to mention flooding

oh sorry just did

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?

Can I have a link for that please.....

Alan Johnson on last night's bbc debate in response to leave saying we send 365 million a week but nobody can actually say exactly where we get the money back

A couple of analogies

1 if you were on a sinking ship with no way of stopping it would you get on the lifeboat or swap with the captain and go down with it

2 if your best friend was in abusive relationship and their partner was bleeding them dry would any of you advise them to stay in that relationship"

fair points

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ninth - sorry

The United Kingdom’s debt currently accounts for 89.4% of its GDP, ninth highest in the EU

While the eyes of the world are on Greece and its potential default on its debt, there are several other countries in the EU that have debts to rival the struggling nation.

Altogether there are six European nations whose debts are larger than their economic output, and 16 that have debts larger than the 60%-of-GDP limit set out in the Maastricht Treaty.

Greece’s public debt is, unsurprisingly, the highest in the EU - standing at 177% of its GDP. Italy and Portugal are the next most indebted countries, with debts of 132% and 130% of national economic output respectively.

From bust to boom: How the world became addicted to debt

The smallest debts, as a proportion of GDP, were seen in Estonia, Norway and The United Kingdom’s debt currently accounts for 89.4% of its GDP, ninth highest in the EUBulgaria - all of whose government debts are below 30% of their GDP.

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13 EU nations saw their public debt accelerate at a faster rate than Greece’s over the period, while five have debts standing at over €1trn: Germany, Italy, the UK, France and Spain

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Debt levels across the eurozone continue to rocket, with the monetary bloc’s debt reaching nearly 92% in 2014 - the highest level since the single currency was introduced in 1999

£££££$$$$$$

still its good to be part of it; isn't it

££££££$$$$$$

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"David Cameron has said publically many times in the past that he supports Turkey joining the EU and he would like to see Turkey join the EU.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8su2vCq950

The £1.2 billion plus the additional £640 million to Turkey makes a total payment of £1.8 billion. "

Get real - if you're going to compare any spend with that of the cancer drug fund, try the amount of commission paid by the NHS to agencies (£330 million in 2014/15) which according to your figures is almost the entire cancer drugs fund. Of course on top of that the NHS spent £3.3 billion on temporary staff with agencies.

The £164 million per year for pre-accession states that you're complaining about doesn't affect UK cancer funding in any way at all. It is part of the existing UK nett contribution to the EU and less than 2% of it at that.

There's a fact based analysis available rather than vote leave's fantasy world: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36153200

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

man4you

so why do we the UK pay 2nd highest into the EU when we are so deep in the shit?

The United Kingdom’s debt currently accounts for 89.4% of its GDP, ninth highest in the EU

While the eyes of the world are on Greece and its potential default on its debt, there are several other countries in the EU that have debts to rival the struggling nation.

Altogether there are six European nations whose debts are larger than their economic output, and 16 that have debts larger than the 60%-of-GDP limit set out in the Maastricht Treaty.

From bust to boom: How the world became addicted to debt

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13 EU nations saw their public debt accelerate at a faster rate than Greece’s over the period, while five have debts standing at over €1trn: Germany, Italy, the UK, France and Spain

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Debt levels across the eurozone continue to rocket, with the monetary bloc’s debt reaching nearly 92% in 2014 - the highest level since the single currency was introduced in 1999

I guess its safer to be deep in the shit and in dept with everyone else rather than deal with our own dept on our own, is that what you are saying?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?

Can I have a link for that please.....

Alan Johnson on last night's bbc debate in response to leave saying we send 365 million a week but nobody can actually say exactly where we get the money back

A couple of analogies

1 if you were on a sinking ship with no way of stopping it would you get on the lifeboat or swap with the captain and go down with it

2 if your best friend was in abusive relationship and their partner was bleeding them dry would any of you advise them to stay in that relationship"

They'd be perfect analogies for my best friend Boris Johnson who's partnered up with Nigel Farage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

okay as man4you is unable or unwilling to answer

can any of the stay-in / remain folks tell me why?

man4you

so why do we the UK pay 2nd highest into the EU when we are so deep in the shit?

The United Kingdom’s debt currently accounts for 89.4% of its GDP, ninth highest in the EU

While the eyes of the world are on Greece and its potential default on its debt, there are several other countries in the EU that have debts to rival the struggling nation.

Altogether there are six European nations whose debts are larger than their economic output, and 16 that have debts larger than the 60%-of-GDP limit set out in the Maastricht Treaty.

From bust to boom: How the world became addicted to debt

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13 EU nations saw their public debt accelerate at a faster rate than Greece’s over the period, while five have debts standing at over €1trn: Germany, Italy, the UK, France and Spain

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Debt levels across the eurozone continue to rocket, with the monetary bloc’s debt reaching nearly 92% in 2014 - the highest level since the single currency was introduced in 1999

I guess its safer to be deep in the shit and in dept with everyone else rather than deal with our own dept on our own, is that what you are saying?

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

sounds like we should abandon a sinking ship ..would be nice to get our country back

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You should be ashamed - though I doubt you will be.

It's views like yours that make my former generations turn in there grave for the morals people like you have today.

"
how's that then? I've had generations who have fought in various wars for this country to get fucked and turned into a shithole and breeding ground for scumbags of course I'm pissed off

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?

Can I have a link for that please....."
we spend less than 10 billion a year on the EU out of a total spend of 720 billion small amount to spend on EU membership considering al the benefits we receive from it....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When we leave the EU will we have more nuclear weapons than the rest of the Eu put together ?

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By *htcMan over a year ago

My inn leaflet is going back to sender with out a stamp. X2

so vote out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So even the remain campaign concede that after our benefits whatever they are are returned it still costs us approx 10bn a year to be in the eu can anybody really claim that's a good deal?

Can I have a link for that please.....we spend less than 10 billion a year on the EU out of a total spend of 720 billion small amount to spend on EU membership considering al the benefits we receive from it...."

...like 3 million economic migrants.. reality with the black economy like drugs, prostitution, people trafficking and slavery is probably closer to 4 million.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When we leave the EU will we have more nuclear weapons than the rest of the Eu put together ?"

Is France planning to leave the EU?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"okay as man4you is unable or unwilling to answer

can any of the stay-in / remain folks tell me why?

man4you

so why do we the UK pay 2nd highest into the EU when we are so deep in the shit?

The United Kingdom’s debt currently accounts for 89.4% of its GDP, ninth highest in the EU

While the eyes of the world are on Greece and its potential default on its debt, there are several other countries in the EU that have debts to rival the struggling nation.

Altogether there are six European nations whose debts are larger than their economic output, and 16 that have debts larger than the 60%-of-GDP limit set out in the Maastricht Treaty.

From bust to boom: How the world became addicted to debt

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13 EU nations saw their public debt accelerate at a faster rate than Greece’s over the period, while five have debts standing at over €1trn: Germany, Italy, the UK, France and Spain

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Debt levels across the eurozone continue to rocket, with the monetary bloc’s debt reaching nearly 92% in 2014 - the highest level since the single currency was introduced in 1999

I guess its safer to be deep in the shit and in dept with everyone else rather than deal with our own dept on our own, is that what you are saying?"

come on remain in people, someone answer this simple question? You say we are better to stay in EU so please answer the above

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

".we spend less than 10 billion a year on the EU out of a total spend of 720 billion small amount to spend on EU membership considering al the benefits we receive from it...."

10 billion is after any benefits not that anyone can say exactly what they are and I agree it is small fry compared to say our defense budget which buy a way I would immediately make savings but that's another thread, but it is still 10 billion I would rather spend elsewhere

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Both sides are pulliing numbers from mid air and lets face it politicians arent very good at forecasting, but so far two things are pretty obvious.

1 DC said if he didnt get a better deal he would recommend we left, well even his supporters must admit he got very little and if you believe his view that it would be the end of civilisation if we leave then he just offered the vote to stop UKIP at the last election, I think history is going to put him in the same league as blair.

2 its not where we are with the EU that I see as the problem, there are pros and cons both ways, the trouble as I see it is if we vote to stay then those who want a united states of europe will think the resistance has gone and push ahead and grab more and more power for the non elected commission, they will allow more of the eastern european countries in and our influence will be diluted even more, the cost to us will go up to support their entry, this may well antagonise Russia even more and with his problems it will be just the excuse Putin will need to sabre rattle even more over the Ukraine.

We dont need, cant afford or IMVHO wish to go down that route,plenty of other countries dont want that route either and it will lead to civil strife in the end, the EU leaders need to look to history if they ignore their voters there will be violence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"okay as man4you is unable or unwilling to answer

can any of the stay-in / remain folks tell me why?

man4you

so why do we the UK pay 2nd highest into the EU when we are so deep in the shit?

The United Kingdom’s debt currently accounts for 89.4% of its GDP, ninth highest in the EU

While the eyes of the world are on Greece and its potential default on its debt, there are several other countries in the EU that have debts to rival the struggling nation.

Altogether there are six European nations whose debts are larger than their economic output, and 16 that have debts larger than the 60%-of-GDP limit set out in the Maastricht Treaty.

From bust to boom: How the world became addicted to debt

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13 EU nations saw their public debt accelerate at a faster rate than Greece’s over the period, while five have debts standing at over €1trn: Germany, Italy, the UK, France and Spain

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Debt levels across the eurozone continue to rocket, with the monetary bloc’s debt reaching nearly 92% in 2014 - the highest level since the single currency was introduced in 1999

I guess its safer to be deep in the shit and in dept with everyone else rather than deal with our own dept on our own, is that what you are saying?

come on remain in people, someone answer this simple question? You say we are better to stay in EU so please answer the above"

Aww how sweet of you to wait so patiently. You could have started by getting the basic facts right or even saying what 'facts' you are basing that on, it would have been far more engaging.

According to the EU budget figures for 2014, the UK's contribution was 3rd highest, not second, after Germany and France. In previous years it was fourth highest: Italy has paid more than the UK in previous years but paid 11.5% of contributions compared to the UK's 12.5% last year, so marginally less this time. That 3rd highest works for both gross and net payments in cash terms.

The UK's contribution was .52% of our GNI compared to every country paying between about 0.8% and 1% of GNI. Remember the rebate? So in terms of our ability to pay as a percentage of income the UK was 28th out of 28.

As for being so deep in the shit, you Brexit guys keep telling us we're 5th richest country in the world by GDP. Make your mind up will you - are we 5th richest or are we in deep shit?

The rest of your cut and paste of debt rates didn't raise any questions and the answer to your last question is , no that's not what I'm saying but I can't speak for everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

man4you just answer the question

why with the UK being the 9th highest in dept are we paying the most into the EU bar Germany

come on, straight talking, none of your waffle

explain why

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you just answer the question

why with the UK being the 9th highest in dept are we paying the most into the EU bar Germany

come on, straight talking, none of your waffle

explain why"

Learn to read. It's a stupid question because it's basic statement is wrong.

We're not paying second highest on any measure, whether that be absolute amount in cash terms, percentage of GNI or contribution per capita.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own "

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"China are looking to do a deal with the euro zone regarding exports just what we need after the steel fiasco you would think our leaders would say no chance .but then again i wont be holding my breath"

And thanks to china the steel industry in this country is well and truly fucked

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By *igsteve43 OP Man over a year ago

derby

Let's be honest it's not just the steel industry that's fucked in fact does anyone remember when we had a mining industry a world leading manufacturing industry none of our major companies were foreign owned oh yes that's right it was before the eu in honesty all the single market has achieved is that a company like Cadbury ends up realising it can move to the Czech Republic with cheaper labour costs ship it back here and make more money if we stay in the eu this will only happen more and more

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

And thanks to china the steel industry in this country is well and truly fucked"
the brexit campaign are looking to china for deals after the UK looses trade in the. EU its an out vote that could see more deals with china

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

Camaron will be in power for another 10 years lol

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Also there is a growing Anti-EU movement in a lot of countries. I don't think it will be long before the whole thing falls apart. Hopefully we will be out of it when the shit hits the fan!

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Very true the Eu is the real life Tower of Babel

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can anyone who wants to remain explain why the EU wants to keep expanding?

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

A few reasons,but to try to weaken Russian influence in Eastern Europe this is why Putin is so angry and he has a good point

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bad hair and Dr Zeuss style lyrics.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

If it's harder for others to get into the UK then it's fair that it's harder for us to enter other European countries.

Are we planning on visas for our holiday flights, slower travel etc?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it's harder for others to get into the UK then it's fair that it's harder for us to enter other European countries.

Are we planning on visas for our holiday flights, slower travel etc? "

Why would any of that increase times.

Visa free travel exists already as precident and as you live in the uk younar esubejct to full border checks unlike shenangan zone citizens.

So there would be zero differnce

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

"Let's be honest it's not just the steel industry that's fucked in fact does anyone remember when we had a mining industry a world leading manufacturing industry none of our major companies were foreign owned oh yes that's right it was before the eu in honesty all the single market has achieved is that a company like Cadbury ends up realising it can move to the Czech Republic with cheaper labour costs ship it back here and make more money if we stay in the eu this will only happen more and more "

But that's nothing to do with the eu is it and everything to do with Kraft

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"okay as man4you is unable or unwilling to answer

can any of the stay-in / remain folks tell me why?

man4you

so why do we the UK pay 2nd highest into the EU when we are so deep in the shit?

The United Kingdom’s debt currently accounts for 89.4% of its GDP, ninth highest in the EU

While the eyes of the world are on Greece and its potential default on its debt, there are several other countries in the EU that have debts to rival the struggling nation.

Altogether there are six European nations whose debts are larger than their economic output, and 16 that have debts larger than the 60%-of-GDP limit set out in the Maastricht Treaty.

From bust to boom: How the world became addicted to debt

*********

13 EU nations saw their public debt accelerate at a faster rate than Greece’s over the period, while five have debts standing at over €1trn: Germany, Italy, the UK, France and Spain

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Debt levels across the eurozone continue to rocket, with the monetary bloc’s debt reaching nearly 92% in 2014 - the highest level since the single currency was introduced in 1999

I guess its safer to be deep in the shit and in dept with everyone else rather than deal with our own dept on our own, is that what you are saying?

come on remain in people, someone answer this simple question? You say we are better to stay in EU so please answer the above

Aww how sweet of you to wait so patiently. You could have started by getting the basic facts right or even saying what 'facts' you are basing that on, it would have been far more engaging.

As for being so deep in the shit, you Brexit guys keep telling us we're 5th richest country in the world by GDP. Make your mind up will you - are we 5th richest or are we in deep shit?

The rest of your cut and paste of debt rates didn't raise any questions and the answer to your last question is , no that's not what I'm saying but I can't speak for everyone else.

And in 2015 we were the second highest...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future."

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Why does the UK pay more than any EU country (except Germany) into the EU budget when the UK itself has 9th highest dept and is struggling with NHS, Schools/education, welfare, roads and transport and basically is heading to ruin, why do we pay more net payment than any other country bar Germany, is this acceptable and okay in your eyes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also there is a growing Anti-EU movement in a lot of countries. I don't think it will be long before the whole thing falls apart. Hopefully we will be out of it when the shit hits the fan!

Very true the Eu is the real life Tower of Babel"

Good analogy but this time it is being built by a few who consider themselves above others and it will be the people who tear it down

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A few reasons,but to try to weaken Russian influence in Eastern Europe this is why Putin is so angry and he has a good point"

Good point and one which some people seem blind to

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"If it's harder for others to get into the UK then it's fair that it's harder for us to enter other European countries.

Are we planning on visas for our holiday flights, slower travel etc?

Why would any of that increase times.

Visa free travel exists already as precident and as you live in the uk younar esubejct to full border checks unlike shenangan zone citizens.

So there would be zero differnce

I thought us brexit folk were looking for barriers to immigration, not visa free open eu access here? If we implement controlled access then presumably other EU countries will do that for us at airports?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've made my mind up- out.

Purely because the in people talk so much bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

I wasted 10 minutes of my life several posts ago explaining to you that your question doesn't make sense. You were rude enough to call the answer waffle, so I know it'll be a waste of time to explain to you again as would anyone else reading your nonsense.

In simple terms that even you may be able to understand: the size of the contribution has nothing to do with debt levels and it doesn't matter that that is your latest whinge. The contribution any nation makes to EU funding depends on the size of its economy measured as GNI. Our economy is 5th largest in the world and 2nd or 3rd or 4th largest in the EU depending on the GNIs of Italy and France at any particular time.

Looking at the contribution as a percentage of GNI, the rest of the EU countries subsidise the UK's membership so that we pay about 0.5% of GNI net, about half of what all other EU countries pay. If you take how much it costs as in individual in each country, the last figures I saw had us at about 8th or 9th.

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

As far as I'm concerned paying about 1p in every £1 of tax I pay for EU membership is excellent value given the freedoms and protections it's helped us to maintain in the labour market, the access to the european market, the 60 odd trade deals that we can take advantage of, the openness of the market to services, the ability to travel freely for work or whatever reason. I'm also on occasion going to enjoy cheaper air travel and cheaper roaming charges as well as cleaner beaches.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

freedoms, protections, access, openness? Don't make me laugh.

The EU is not not worth 1p of anyones tax in total, nevermind 1p in every pound

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If it's harder for others to get into the UK then it's fair that it's harder for us to enter other European countries.

Are we planning on visas for our holiday flights, slower travel etc? "

Do you REALLY think countries who rely on tourism for their economy are going to shoot themselves in the foot ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

freedoms, protections, access, openness? Don't make me laugh.

The EU is not not worth 1p of anyones tax in total, nevermind 1p in every pound"

That's your opinion, it's not in the least thought through as your lack of any substantive contribution to the discussion tends to show. It's worth slightly less than 1p.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

Do you REALLY think countries who rely on tourism for their economy are going to shoot themselves in the foot ?"

You haven't visited Turkey lately then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

What about criminal gangs and mafias from at least a dozen member states who we can't deport ? We get to keep them too i take it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

freedoms, protections, access, openness? Don't make me laugh.

The EU is not not worth 1p of anyones tax in total, nevermind 1p in every pound

That's your opinion, it's not in the least thought through as your lack of any substantive contribution to the discussion tends to show. It's worth slightly less than 1p. "

My opinion comes from living and working in other EU countries and having first hand experience of it not the constant crap you come out with that has been lifted from the internet in some strange attempt to portray yourself as some kind of expert on every matter discussed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

What about criminal gangs and mafias from at least a dozen member states who we can't deport ? We get to keep them too i take it ?"

You can keep them if you want. I'd rather our existing powers under the law were used to either deport them or exclude them from entry legally as they have already been used for thousands of non UK EU people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you REALLY think countries who rely on tourism for their economy are going to shoot themselves in the foot ?

You haven't visited Turkey lately then?"

.... no but if there are problems at least it is of their own volition - Greece's tourist industry was devastated by the crazy idea of joining the Euro - something the Fourth Reich co-erced them in to doing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Economics aside. Isn't the risk of remaining in the EU simply the erosion of nationality and the evolution into a European super state governed from Brussels/Germany.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

freedoms, protections, access, openness? Don't make me laugh.

The EU is not not worth 1p of anyones tax in total, nevermind 1p in every pound

That's your opinion, it's not in the least thought through as your lack of any substantive contribution to the discussion tends to show. It's worth slightly less than 1p.

Charming, Godfrey, now you're upset because someone dares challenge the crap you come up by using simple research and finding facts where you make up lies.

For my part I've lived and worked for major businesses in the UK, Jamaica, the Bahamas, the USA, France, Germany, Sweden, Italy, Spain and Singapore and I've been involved in setting up businesses in at least a dozen other countries.

If I wanted to make up crap I'd join you and your fellow Brexiters.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

Do you REALLY think countries who rely on tourism for their economy are going to shoot themselves in the foot ?

You haven't visited Turkey lately then?

Well if you had you'd know it's ten quid entry visa, so I guess they're shooting themselves in the foot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you REALLY think countries who rely on tourism for their economy are going to shoot themselves in the foot ?

You haven't visited Turkey lately then?

Well if you had you'd know it's ten quid entry visa, so I guess they're shooting themselves in the foot"

To some extent - though I would suspect it is still far cheaper overall than going to Greece.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Economics aside. Isn't the risk of remaining in the EU simply the erosion of nationality and the evolution into a European super state governed from Brussels/Germany."

That is exactly what is happening and it's where the EU is heading. The EU is constantly chipping away at our sovereignty, our democracy and our freedom. It's not working for us and it's time to get out now before the Euro zone goes into meltdown and the migrant crisis will Continue to get worse.

#voteleavtakecontrol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

freedoms, protections, access, openness? Don't make me laugh.

The EU is not not worth 1p of anyones tax in total, nevermind 1p in every pound

That's your opinion, it's not in the least thought through as your lack of any substantive contribution to the discussion tends to show. It's worth slightly less than 1p.

Charming, Godfrey, now you're upset because someone dares challenge the crap you come up by using simple research and finding facts where you make up lies.

If I wanted to make up crap I'd join you and your fellow Brexiters."

If you are so well travelled why the need to 'research facts'? I doubt whether you've been further than your front door but frankly who cares

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"man4you

you failed, you waffle like a politician, if you intend to avoid the answer then you are wasting time, space and effort, enjoy your night on your own

How sweet of you. Do try to ask questions that are based on facts in future.

on a net basis, Britain was the second largest contributor to the EU budget last year. It put €10.8bn more into the EU pot last year than it took out. Only Germany paid more on a net basis

but then you already know this man4you and you try to waffle the figures

so again remain side

Basically it's a waste of time and space trying to explain to you. The national debt has been built up over many years and has nothing to do with the contribution to the EU.

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, no matter how wrong it is.

I'm pissed off with immigration and having to pay for a bunch of charlatans passing themselves off as a European Parliament who are only looking after their own interests and lining their pockets with our money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh and I love those straight bananas. The best regulation ever made.

Yes it's worth every penny thank you very much especially when compared to the ill thought out economic devastation you lot want to wreak on the UK. You can keep your Brexit tax. Not for me thanks.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, no matter how wrong it is.

I'm pissed off with UKIP MEPs too, they're a waste of space and money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Charming, Godfrey, now you're upset because someone dares challenge the crap you come up by using simple research and finding facts where you make up lies.

If I wanted to make up crap I'd join you and your fellow Brexiters."

If you are so well travelled why the need to 'research facts'? I doubt whether you've been further than your front door but frankly who cares

I appreciate that you don't bother to check your facts, you've made that obvious many times.

But as you say, who cares? Certainly not you.

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