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An application to carry out fracking in England for the first time since a ban was lifted in 2012 has been approved.
North Yorkshire County Council considered a bid by Third Energy to extract shale gas at a site near Kirby Misperton in Ryedale.
It was banned before because of 2 minor earthquakes near Blackpool. I've read lots of negatives about the environmental impact of it. As usual Westminster want it but they're not living by it. |
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"An application to carry out fracking in England for the first time since a ban was lifted in 2012 has been approved.
North Yorkshire County Council considered a bid by Third Energy to extract shale gas at a site near Kirby Misperton in Ryedale.
It was banned before because of 2 minor earthquakes near Blackpool. I've read lots of negatives about the environmental impact of it. As usual Westminster want it but they're not living by it. "
We have been Fracking in the North Sea for past 30/40 years
Biggest problem I can see on-land is water contamination for those who use bore holes as home water supply the contamination would be brine.
Guess it depends on existing well pressure and if any fluids are required to be injected to push through the gas again depending on the permeability and porosity of the rock
Strange how Scotland can give an outright ban on fracking yet Westminster says its okay in England |
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"An application to carry out fracking in England for the first time since a ban was lifted in 2012 has been approved.
North Yorkshire County Council considered a bid by Third Energy to extract shale gas at a site near Kirby Misperton in Ryedale.
It was banned before because of 2 minor earthquakes near Blackpool. I've read lots of negatives about the environmental impact of it. As usual Westminster want it but they're not living by it.
We have been Fracking in the North Sea for past 30/40 years
Biggest problem I can see on-land is water contamination for those who use bore holes as home water supply the contamination would be brine.
Guess it depends on existing well pressure and if any fluids are required to be injected to push through the gas again depending on the permeability and porosity of the rock
Strange how Scotland can give an outright ban on fracking yet Westminster says its okay in England"
There were lots of protests. And our government are greedy. I'm never surprised if there are back handers involved in getting this through. I'm a cynic though. |
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"An application to carry out fracking in England for the first time since a ban was lifted in 2012 has been approved.
North Yorkshire County Council considered a bid by Third Energy to extract shale gas at a site near Kirby Misperton in Ryedale.
It was banned before because of 2 minor earthquakes near Blackpool. I've read lots of negatives about the environmental impact of it. As usual Westminster want it but they're not living by it.
We have been Fracking in the North Sea for past 30/40 years
Biggest problem I can see on-land is water contamination for those who use bore holes as home water supply the contamination would be brine.
Guess it depends on existing well pressure and if any fluids are required to be injected to push through the gas again depending on the permeability and porosity of the rock
Strange how Scotland can give an outright ban on fracking yet Westminster says its okay in England
There were lots of protests. And our government are greedy. I'm never surprised if there are back handers involved in getting this through. I'm a cynic though. "
Back Handers are not required, the huge tax revenue is all that is required from the government, that is why many oil companies in the North sea are calling it a day now, not due to low reserves but due to the huge tax implementation's |
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Despite my anti everything remotely hippie/ tree hugger/ green peace/ *insert left wing loon alternative* I do not understand the need for it when there are alternatives now.
The only reason, as another poster said, is for the revenue the government would receive. Although if that revenue was to be used purely to fund a war with France I'd be all for it   |
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I've been involved in an industry for the best part of 3 decades where fracking operations are common-place and to be honest all the talk of earthquakes is small shrift in comparison to the potential risks posed to the water table of land mass the size of our country...
We simply don't need to exploit the potential reserves while options with less risk to our local environments exist in plentiful supply to match our present consumption ..  |
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"What exactly is fracking? And why is it so bad? "
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Hydraulic fracturing otherwise known as fracking is a process of releasing fossil fuel(gas or oil) that is effectively trapped inside rock formations(usually shale).
Fracturing has been used for decades, the new technology bit is actually the drilling, they can now drill down and then along sideways for miles, this allows you a greater scope of land for the drilling platform to cover.
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Why is it so bad?... Usually from piss poor practise by the companies, where profit nearly always comes before any worry about contamination.
See when they fracture the rock to release the fuel, they use various chemicals designed to keep the fracture open with as little friction as possible, these chemical ingredients are always secret but from internal leaked documents we can see there very seriously hazardous to health, which is important because many times the drill will go through water courses under the ground and this means water contamination and pretty much once it's contaminated it's there for hundreds of years.
The earthquake problem is separate but basically the high pressure fracturing causes these, it's not the size of the quake but the volume of them, often you can get hundreds of these mini quakes from one single drill.
The process of fracking is intensive in every aspect requiring large volumes of water, trucks, machinery and noise.
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"What exactly is fracking? And why is it so bad? .
Hydraulic fracturing otherwise known as fracking is a process of releasing fossil fuel(gas or oil) that is effectively trapped inside rock formations(usually shale).
Fracturing has been used for decades, the new technology bit is actually the drilling, they can now drill down and then along sideways for miles, this allows you a greater scope of land for the drilling platform to cover.
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Why is it so bad?... Usually from piss poor practise by the companies, where profit nearly always comes before any worry about contamination.
See when they fracture the rock to release the fuel, they use various chemicals designed to keep the fracture open with as little friction as possible, these chemical ingredients are always secret but from internal leaked documents we can see there very seriously hazardous to health, which is important because many times the drill will go through water courses under the ground and this means water contamination and pretty much once it's contaminated it's there for hundreds of years.
The earthquake problem is separate but basically the high pressure fracturing causes these, it's not the size of the quake but the volume of them, often you can get hundreds of these mini quakes from one single drill.
The process of fracking is intensive in every aspect requiring large volumes of water, trucks, machinery and noise.
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the chemical mostly used to improve permeability is polymer, this allows easier flow of hydrocarbons & gas through porous rock, Polymer is normally mixed with sea water and suspect it will be the same on land unless they have plenty supply of fresh water they want to throw away
Havent heard of any "secret" chemicals, ??? Biocides are injected into wells to kill all bugs and prevent topside contamination, oxy scav is also used to remove all oxygen from the water prior to injection
the only other is scale inhibitor to protect subsea/subland pipelines as well as topside pipelines on return flow |
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"the chemical mostly used to improve permeability is polymer, this allows easier flow of hydrocarbons & gas through porous rock, Polymer is normally mixed with sea water and suspect it will be the same on land unless they have plenty supply of fresh water they want to throw away
Havent heard of any "secret" chemicals, ??? Biocides are injected into wells to kill all bugs and prevent topside contamination, oxy scav is also used to remove all oxygen from the water prior to injection
the only other is scale inhibitor to protect subsea/subland pipelines as well as topside pipelines on return flow"
They are chemicals ...secret or not...that may end up in the water supply. We simply dont know enough about the long term effects of fracking.
.....and its its still a fossil fuel. Fracking is so short term. We need long term solutions not sticking plaster responses to help keep the price of fuel down. |
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".....and its its still a fossil fuel. Fracking is so short term. We need long term solutions not sticking plaster responses to help keep the price of fuel down."
so? what do you suggest?
im not taking the piss, im interested on all aspects |
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".....and its its still a fossil fuel. Fracking is so short term. We need long term solutions not sticking plaster responses to help keep the price of fuel down.
so? what do you suggest?
im not taking the piss, im interested on all aspects"
We just dont know the long term effects of fracking on our drinking water. Common sense says that adding chemicals isnt a good idea.
Climate change does seem to be occuring. Burning more fossil fuel will exacerbate this. Fracking has more to do with politics and keeping the price of fuel down. High fuel prices lead to unrest and an end to political careers and goverments. We need long medium and long term vision and investment in alternative sources of energy.
A small amount of people will make a lot of money from fracking. A large number of people may end up with a polluted water supply. |
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".....and its its still a fossil fuel. Fracking is so short term. We need long term solutions not sticking plaster responses to help keep the price of fuel down.
so? what do you suggest?
im not taking the piss, im interested on all aspects
We just dont know the long term effects of fracking on our drinking water. Common sense says that adding chemicals isnt a good idea.
Climate change does seem to be occuring. Burning more fossil fuel will exacerbate this. Fracking has more to do with politics and keeping the price of fuel down. High fuel prices lead to unrest and an end to political careers and goverments. We need long medium and long term vision and investment in alternative sources of energy.
A small amount of people will make a lot of money from fracking. A large number of people may end up with a polluted water supply. "
Well on the subject of ending political careers... I think there will be a few Ryedale councillors finding theirs have ended soon |
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"It all sounds so complicated for my little brain...so what is the fuel used for? Please don't laugh at me guys just trying to learn something new today... "
Now come on
Will be mainly for domestic heating |
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"It all sounds so complicated for my little brain...so what is the fuel used for? Please don't laugh at me guys just trying to learn something new today...
Now come on
Will be mainly for domestic heating"
Alright alright I know I know cheers |
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The companies getting the oil could choose to do whatever they wish with it and sell it at any price.
The easy contamination of water supplies that once polluted will never be clean is enough reason for fracking not to be permitted. The pollution and its effects may not become apparent until long after the company has gone and used its profits. Fracking also uses phenomenal volumes of water in its operation. That's a huge waste of a scarce resource.
Global warming is forecast to potentially rise by 10 degrees average in years to come, with severe weather events and water shortages also forecast. Do we want our long term water supplies full of poisonous chemicals, possibly causing widespread cancer or god know what?
There is no fallback once the water is polluted. No one will have left any money to help pay for adequate water for populations affected. The council that approved it would likely go bust if sued.
To reduce the maximum increase of global warming we also need to potentially keep fossil fuels in reserve. They'd also be a security for the nation. Fracking there now possibly takes two things we may really need in the future, one of them a clean drinking water supply. |
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