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over a year ago
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I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it? "
Jeez Shag, has your house move made you into a really deep thinker 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it? "
It wasn't now yesterday...it was yesterday  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it?
Jeez Shag, has your house move made you into a really deep thinker
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Great film though, reminded me of Beautiful Mind in some ways |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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it's ages since i've seen that...took me ages to get what he meant as well.
i agree. time is just a measurement. once it's past it's gone and the future doesn't exist either. pretty simple really, dunno why it took me ages to know what he meant.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it?
Jeez Shag, has your house move made you into a really deep thinker
Great film though, reminded me of Beautiful Mind in some ways "
Yes it kinda has made me that lol. Thats right. It is a good movie as well |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it?
Jeez Shag, has your house move made you into a really deep thinker
Great film though, reminded me of Beautiful Mind in some ways "
Eddie Redmayne was fantastic, loved the film. I was worried it was going to be a hard watch but it was great |
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"I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it? "
Time only exists because we have clocks we have an understanding of time passing in a way he is right, yesterday never comes back tomorrow is always there waiting and today never ends. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am watching the theory of everything. It is a movie about steven hawkins and it is interesting, they say time dont exists and we just live in the "now". What is your view of it? "
My view is patience, have patience |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've not seen the movie so can't comment on it but as far as time goes this is my take on it. Time is a human concept created by us in order to organise our lives. When you look at it from a universe point of view then yes it does exist as time is created through movement of objects in relation to other objects. All things in the universe are moving in conjunction with each other on a continuous basis, this in turn creates what we call time. Of course this is all goes out the window when you realise that all that we think we know is based on our own understanding of the universe and time could well be very different in other parts of the universe. This of course make time relitive..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well, it seems maybe we need a universe that is going backwards in time. that's what i'm learning now.
and string theory is being brought into it so i'm sure my brain is about to shut down soon. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"well, it seems maybe we need a universe that is going backwards in time. that's what i'm learning now."
Yep, just waiting for gravity to take over and for everything to come together in a catastrophic 'big crunch', leaving a vast, dark, empty nothingness. Not even time.
Still, mustn't grumble!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"well, it seems maybe we need a universe that is going backwards in time. that's what i'm learning now.
Yep, just waiting for gravity to take over and for everything to come together in a catastrophic 'big crunch', leaving a vast, dark, empty nothingness. Not even time.
Still, mustn't grumble! "
there's too many theories! this one is we need a universe different to ours that goes backwards in time.
i am trying to concentrate but i can't stop thinking about that episode of red dwarf.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Pratchett made his trolls believe we were all going through time backwards, because we can see the past, but not the future. Makes a delightfully strange kind of sense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I read online somewhere that time actually doesn't exist and is just a human concept.
Thar then feeds into how the universe is expanding giving the impression of time to us, and the eventual decay of enery (the Heat Death) and Big Crunch. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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there's too many theories! this one is we need a universe different to ours that goes backwards in time."
String theory allows for universes to be created all the time, where every action creates another.
Somewhere, 'sometime', there's an episode of a documentary series called 'Red Dwarf', with Stephen Hawking introducing.
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By (user no longer on site)
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there's too many theories! this one is we need a universe different to ours that goes backwards in time.
String theory allows for universes to be created all the time, where every action creates another.
Somewhere, 'sometime', there's an episode of a documentary series called 'Red Dwarf', with Stephen Hawking introducing.
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that would be cool, the stephen hawking red dwarf documentaries.
i'm going to bed but gonna try and learn more about the passage of time and try and figure out how it's possible for everything to exist at once without time existing. i think i've almost got it.
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"I think it's all relative...  "
I did watch a documentary ages ago about Time and the concept of time travel. Time can be manipulated the faster you travel. If I'm remembering it right it said someone travelling at the speed of light would experience time going by more slowly than someone who is standing in a stationery position? Or maybe it was the other way around? (Was years ago when I saw the documentary). Also I think Einstein wrote something about time being able to be manipulated and bent in space. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it's all relative...
I did watch a documentary ages ago about Time and the concept of time travel. Time can be manipulated the faster you travel. If I'm remembering it right it said someone travelling at the speed of light would experience time going by more slowly than someone who is standing in a stationery position? Or maybe it was the other way around? (Was years ago when I saw the documentary). Also I think Einstein wrote something about time being able to be manipulated and bent in space. "
You are quite right. Theoretically time would appear slower at the speed of light but we don't know for sure as it's all just theory.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Time is speed, speed only exists when there are at least 2 points.
In the case of our clock it is the speed of rotation of the earth against the relitivly fixed point of the sun. Our calendar is the orbit of the earth around the sun.
times zones on earth are the relitivly view points here, there really should also be relitive view points on the sun as well, but as it's so far away we discount them.
The enire theory blows apart as soon as you leave the planet. So time does not actually exist as a universal concept. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"wonder how time zones would affect time travel? if they do at all."
I've always said if I win the lottery I would buy a private jet and attend as many new years eve parties as humanly possible?! How many do you reckon  |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"How can i get done for speeding when I'm actually moving at thousands and thousands of miles per hour? "
You can't if travelling from east to west in the UK as you are going slower than if you are stationary |
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Time is also linked to gravity:
(" Gravitational time dilation")
The weaker the gravitational pull , the faster time goes .
Part of general relativity .
Actually been physically proved by two identical atomic clocks; one at sea level, one at altitude, and a difference measured . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pratchett made his trolls believe we were all going through time backwards, because we can see the past, but not the future. Makes a delightfully strange kind of sense."
Gotta love Pratchett, I loved that concept too. |
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"I think it's all relative...
I did watch a documentary ages ago about Time and the concept of time travel. Time can be manipulated the faster you travel. If I'm remembering it right it said someone travelling at the speed of light would experience time going by more slowly than someone who is standing in a stationery position? Or maybe it was the other way around? (Was years ago when I saw the documentary). Also I think Einstein wrote something about time being able to be manipulated and bent in space.
You are quite right. Theoretically time would appear slower at the speed of light but we don't know for sure as it's all just theory.."
We do know for sure as we have measured it. Even at relatively slow speeds, ( relative to speed of light) , we have measured the difference in two identical clocks, one static, one moving. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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Time, as we understand it, is a human construct. We took measurements of distance (the earth travelling round the sun, the moon travelling round the earth) and divided those up into units to create time which we measure using clocks. |
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"Time, as we understand it, is a human construct. We took measurements of distance (the earth travelling round the sun, the moon travelling round the earth) and divided those up into units to create time which we measure using clocks. "
No, that's measurement of time.
So that we can visualise it.
Time itself is simply a fact. A " direction of travel which outs event into sequences. And an essential element of the " Space-time continuum"
And it goes in one direction, which is the direction of the increase in entropy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"wonder how time zones would affect time travel? if they do at all.
I've always said if I win the lottery I would buy a private jet and attend as many new years eve parties as humanly possible?! How many do you reckon "
24 at least. depends how long you stay at each one.
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anyway i know what entropy is, and it explains what we see/perveive as happening. and it makes sense that this is what is real. just that Barbour said he thinks everything that happened has happened not like that but all at once and exists simultaneously, if i understand what he said correctly. i'm just wondering how he came to that conclusion because others agree with him so he didn't just make that up. |
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Ah; I think he is referring to the part scientific/ part philosophical hypothesis that:
Since time is not a physical( solid ) thing; ( ie you can't measure it like distance, with a ruler) you can only say something ( event A ) occurred in the past, but not exactly when, even though you can have the concept of " a long time ago" or "10 seconds ago", or "1 hour ago, " it's all relative, and you can't physically pinpoint when it was, as that moment no longer exists .
You can then say the same for event B.
And although you can remember that A came first, then B; you still can't actually measure it; it's gone.
So in effect; everything in the past has happened, and therefore the moment (s)no longer exist. Thus they can be imagined as one single point in the last, as the "past" no longer exists.
You can turn that round and say that the future is only one moment, as it doesn't exist until you get go it ( at which point it becomes the present.) Even though you know that event D will happen after Event C.
So there are 3 states ( or times).
1. The past ( which can be rationalised into one point)
2. Now. Which is clearly one point
3. The future (which you can rationalise into one point)
So by that reasoning , since the past no longer exists, and the future does not yet exist, there is, time doesn't exist, except for the " now moment". And by that reasoning, everything in the past happened simultaneously.
Slightly convoluted, but I accept a certain logic in the hypothesis.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ah; I think he is referring to the part scientific/ part philosophical hypothesis that:
Since time is not a physical( solid ) thing; ( ie you can't measure it like distance, with a ruler) you can only say something ( event A ) occurred in the past, but not exactly when, even though you can have the concept of " a long time ago" or "10 seconds ago", or "1 hour ago, " it's all relative, and you can't physically pinpoint when it was, as that moment no longer exists .
You can then say the same for event B.
And although you can remember that A came first, then B; you still can't actually measure it; it's gone.
So in effect; everything in the past has happened, and therefore the moment (s)no longer exist. Thus they can be imagined as one single point in the last, as the "past" no longer exists.
You can turn that round and say that the future is only one moment, as it doesn't exist until you get go it ( at which point it becomes the present.) Even though you know that event D will happen after Event C.
So there are 3 states ( or times).
1. The past ( which can be rationalised into one point)
2. Now. Which is clearly one point
3. The future (which you can rationalise into one point)
So by that reasoning , since the past no longer exists, and the future does not yet exist, there is, time doesn't exist, except for the " now moment". And by that reasoning, everything in the past happened simultaneously.
Slightly convoluted, but I accept a certain logic in the hypothesis.
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i didn't get this from him. although relativity affects how everything plays out...and i finally understand what relativity is (einstein did not explain that well imo).
basically, everything that has happened and will happen exists all at once. it might be similar to einsteins slices of bread theory but i don't think it is, not sure though as i don't understand what he means.
gonna go do some reading about it and see if that helps. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Change merely creates an illusion of time, with each individual moment existing in its own right, complete and whole." He calls these moments "Nows". It is all an illusion: there is no motion and no change. He argues that the illusion of time is what we interpret through what he calls "time capsules", which are "any fixed pattern that creates or encodes the appearance of motion, change or history".
well he said this, i found it on wiki, seems he just said what i said in the first reply here, that time only exists at the time it happens and the passage of time is an illusion...
you have to admit the past happened, and if the future will happen whether you're in it or not. so i don't fully get him at all and think i will give up trying to figure him out coz quantum gravity has got my interest right now... |
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"I think time exists therefore time exists
I don't follow the idea time is interwoven with space
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It's because time is relative to where you are compared to others. If you went out into space a long way and fast and came back, you might only have aged 6 months whereas to the people on earth, you'd have been gone like 10 years or something. Like in that film gravity when they are on the planet for 2 hours but years have passed for the dude on the ship. |
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"I think time exists therefore time exists
I don't follow the idea time is interwoven with space
It's because time is relative to where you are compared to others. If you went out into space a long way and fast and came back, you might only have aged 6 months whereas to the people on earth, you'd have been gone like 10 years or something. Like in that film gravity when they are on the planet for 2 hours but years have passed for the dude on the ship. "
it wasn't gravity.....I can't remember the name. It was about time travel though. |
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"I think time exists therefore time exists
I don't follow the idea time is interwoven with space
It's because time is relative to where you are compared to others. If you went out into space a long way and fast and came back, you might only have aged 6 months whereas to the people on earth, you'd have been gone like 10 years or something. Like in that film gravity when they are on the planet for 2 hours but years have passed for the dude on the ship. "
You're talking about ageing and the perception of time I'm talking about time xxx
Speed is relative time is not , the appearance of time is xxx
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"I think time exists therefore time exists
I don't follow the idea time is interwoven with space
It's because time is relative to where you are compared to others. If you went out into space a long way and fast and came back, you might only have aged 6 months whereas to the people on earth, you'd have been gone like 10 years or something. Like in that film gravity when they are on the planet for 2 hours but years have passed for the dude on the ship. it wasn't gravity.....I can't remember the name. It was about time travel though. "
It's called interstellar |
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"I think time exists therefore time exists
I don't follow the idea time is interwoven with space
It's because time is relative to where you are compared to others. If you went out into space a long way and fast and came back, you might only have aged 6 months whereas to the people on earth, you'd have been gone like 10 years or something. Like in that film gravity when they are on the planet for 2 hours but years have passed for the dude on the ship.
You're talking about ageing and the perception of time I'm talking about time xxx
Speed is relative time is not , the appearance of time is xxx
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Oh. It's too confusing anyway. I can't even remember the name of the film. |
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