"supposedly 1 in 5 children have special needs. Is this country bringing it's kids up to be excuse users?"
That's a bit like saying that someone in a wheelchair could be viewed as an excuse user. Defining where you're at in life, before moving forwards, is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Identifying with labels can be restrictive, such as I am 'X', which is different to 'I have X needs at the moment', for example. |
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"supposedly 1 in 5 children have special needs. Is this country bringing it's kids up to be excuse users?
That's a bit like saying that someone in a wheelchair could be viewed as an excuse user. Defining where you're at in life, before moving forwards, is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Identifying with labels can be restrictive, such as I am 'X', which is different to 'I have X needs at the moment', for example."
my point excactly...why are we as a society so ready to put labels on kids so young...can't we just accept that some kids are brighter than others.
Also a wheelchair user falls into a completely different situation. There's a big difference between someone who is struggling with reading and someone who cannot use their legs!! |
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I do think that "ADHD" as a description
Is bieng used for bad behaviour and drugs are being given to freely and without reason other than a kid wont do as its told or by sometime bad parenting  |
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"I do think that "ADHD" as a description
Is bieng used for bad behaviour and drugs are being given to freely and without reason other than a kid wont do as its told or by sometime bad parenting "
totally agree...some parents, strike that. a lot of parents do not take their role seriously enough. I get wound up when i hear that the parents are blamming teachers for their kids behaviour...surely the children should have been taught manners before going into school |
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i think that there is a grey area within diagnosing children with developmental needs.
if you put 10 psychoanalists in a room you would get 10 opinions.
there seems to be an increase in children being diagnosed and medicated for ocd and aspergers....not enough, i believe, is done to research into the methods of diagnosis.
I have a family member that is aspergs, diagnosed after a very brief consultation. i have one who went through a very intense series of assessment and was considered 'naughty'...his traits were more obvious than the member that was diagnosed as aspergers.
their mom is now challenging both results as she does not wish to be medicating or treating one child different to the other until a consistent method of assessment is carried out between the two.
i think there is an eagerness to fit a child into a pigeon hole when they act in a way that others find unacceptable.
they ought to be looking at the route cause of the childs behaviour instead of trying to find a label that fits.
this in no ways means i am unsupportive of what the child assessors do...they are hard working, but like most areas, under-resourced
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Just been having the very same conversation at work. We seem to be getting more and more new people with XYZ 'wrong' with them. Now I am not disputing that these ate genuine conditions but people do tend to use it to exclude a lot if bad behaviour 'oh he can't help it he's got ADHD' etc.
There are ways that people with these conditions can help themselves. It may take them.longer to learn new things but they can do it. |
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aspergs is very defined...cannot handle more than one person at a time...doesn't respect peoples personal barriers...excels acedemically but has no practical sense. this is an issue that does not hold them back in school, just in personal life. i have a friend who's little boy has been diagnosed with adhd...my friend admits that it's his wife's fault as she lets him get away with murder. his wife was happy for the diagnosis as it cleared her of fault...how many times does that happen? |
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Also, another possibly contentious point. Could it be the fact that children are raising children more and more now a days possibly connected?? They cannot control the children and so this is out down to the child having ADHD
**disclaimer** I am aware that not all statemented children are children to young parents! |
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" I get away with everything at work as I suffer from "Non-specific Stupidity Syndrome"....  "
someone said i was 'currently under national tendancies'....i wonder what he meant? |
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"Also, another possibly contentious point. Could it be the fact that children are raising children more and more now a days possibly connected?? They cannot control the children and so this is out down to the child having ADHD
**disclaimer** I am aware that not all statemented children are children to young parents! "
They like every other kid think they know it all and we know nothing.
I see it around town and on the buses etc.
Young young mothers with no idea at all and think we "joe public" should put up with their offspring behaving anyways they want to.
It does make me angry.
I taught my son to be respectful to all, to have good manners at all times and to have a good moral standard.
In all of those aspects, he made me very proud.
Along with all his other decisions in life.
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"Also, another possibly contentious point. Could it be the fact that children are raising children more and more now a days possibly connected?? They cannot control the children and so this is out down to the child having ADHD
**disclaimer** I am aware that not all statemented children are children to young parents!
They like every other kid think they know it all and we know nothing.
I see it around town and on the buses etc.
Young young mothers with no idea at all and think we "joe public" should put up with their offspring behaving anyways they want to.
It does make me angry.
I taught my son to be respectful to all, to have good manners at all times and to have a good moral standard.
In all of those aspects, he made me very proud.
Along with all his other decisions in life.
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then your children will rise above the rubbish that other people are producing..i think we'll see a difference in twety years...a new class divide! |
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to me adhd is easy a push off at times ,i think kids should be kids and all about gd parenting .....my nephew was diagnosed with it but i told my sister that he was just hyper little boy that craves attention cos he was bright as a button .his attention span just didnt match up with other kids ....as not giving them sweets and pop i think its loads off bollocks let them live teach them and give them the love they need .  |
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"supposedly 1 in 5 children have special needs. Is this country bringing it's kids up to be excuse users?
That's a bit like saying that someone in a wheelchair could be viewed as an excuse user. Defining where you're at in life, before moving forwards, is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Identifying with labels can be restrictive, such as I am 'X', which is different to 'I have X needs at the moment', for example.
my point excactly...why are we as a society so ready to put labels on kids so young...can't we just accept that some kids are brighter than others.
Also a wheelchair user falls into a completely different situation. There's a big difference between someone who is struggling with reading and someone who cannot use their legs!!"
i take your point on labels ,but this is just a statistic of which kids have been identified with a problem ,we have now become a lot better through medical advances at identifying problems,
The thing is a label does not identify a less bright kid ,just identifys where they may need help to maximise there future potential.some of the brightestpeople i know have disabilities either physical or learning and look at Stephen Hawkins for example. |
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"supposedly 1 in 5 children have special needs. Is this country bringing it's kids up to be excuse users?
That's a bit like saying that someone in a wheelchair could be viewed as an excuse user. Defining where you're at in life, before moving forwards, is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Identifying with labels can be restrictive, such as I am 'X', which is different to 'I have X needs at the moment', for example.
my point excactly...why are we as a society so ready to put labels on kids so young...can't we just accept that some kids are brighter than others.
Also a wheelchair user falls into a completely different situation. There's a big difference between someone who is struggling with reading and someone who cannot use their legs!!
i take your point on labels ,but this is just a statistic of which kids have been identified with a problem ,we have now become a lot better through medical advances at identifying problems,
The thing is a label does not identify a less bright kid ,just identifys where they may need help to maximise there future potential.some of the brightestpeople i know have disabilities either physical or learning and look at Stephen Hawkins for example. "
which is fine if most were using them as a springboard to success. but a large prorportion are using it as an excuse...'he's not naughty, he's adhd'. the other fact i find strange is that most adhd sufferers are male. which mkaes me believe that it's a discipline issue |
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"schools can claim extra funding for every 'special needs' pupil it has. Just a thought, school finances are squeezed and the number of special needs pupils goes up."
he's right you know, bldy hoops you have to jump to get funding. Almost every one of us could probably find a special need with enough motivation. They do usually have to be "documented" though, by proper practitioners. |
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"schools can claim extra funding for every 'special needs' pupil it has. Just a thought, school finances are squeezed and the number of special needs pupils goes up."
Yes they get funded for them and its normally used to get support staff in as a lot with special needs require 1-1 support |
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"schools can claim extra funding for every 'special needs' pupil it has. Just a thought, school finances are squeezed and the number of special needs pupils goes up.
he's right you know, bldy hoops you have to jump to get funding. Almost every one of us could probably find a special need with enough motivation. They do usually have to be "documented" though, by proper practitioners."
Yes thats true and but it isnt always easy to get a child diagnosed |
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"supposedly 1 in 5 children have special needs. Is this country bringing it's kids up to be excuse users?
That's a bit like saying that someone in a wheelchair could be viewed as an excuse user. Defining where you're at in life, before moving forwards, is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Identifying with labels can be restrictive, such as I am 'X', which is different to 'I have X needs at the moment', for example.
my point excactly...why are we as a society so ready to put labels on kids so young...can't we just accept that some kids are brighter than others.
Also a wheelchair user falls into a completely different situation. There's a big difference between someone who is struggling with reading and someone who cannot use their legs!!
i take your point on labels ,but this is just a statistic of which kids have been identified with a problem ,we have now become a lot better through medical advances at identifying problems,
The thing is a label does not identify a less bright kid ,just identifys where they may need help to maximise there future potential.some of the brightestpeople i know have disabilities either physical or learning and look at Stephen Hawkins for example.
which is fine if most were using them as a springboard to success. but a large prorportion are using it as an excuse...'he's not naughty, he's adhd'. the other fact i find strange is that most adhd sufferers are male. which mkaes me believe that it's a discipline issue"
In some cases maybe but not all my nieces son as autism they tried to put that down to bad parenting. |
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"supposedly 1 in 5 children have special needs. Is this country bringing it's kids up to be excuse users?
That's a bit like saying that someone in a wheelchair could be viewed as an excuse user. Defining where you're at in life, before moving forwards, is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Identifying with labels can be restrictive, such as I am 'X', which is different to 'I have X needs at the moment', for example.
my point excactly...why are we as a society so ready to put labels on kids so young...can't we just accept that some kids are brighter than others.
Also a wheelchair user falls into a completely different situation. There's a big difference between someone who is struggling with reading and someone who cannot use their legs!!"
Think you will find special needs covers everything, mental AND physical. Excuses? No match for ignorance... |
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"supposedly 1 in 5 children have special needs. Is this country bringing it's kids up to be excuse users?
That's a bit like saying that someone in a wheelchair could be viewed as an excuse user. Defining where you're at in life, before moving forwards, is never a bad thing, in my opinion.
Identifying with labels can be restrictive, such as I am 'X', which is different to 'I have X needs at the moment', for example.
my point excactly...why are we as a society so ready to put labels on kids so young...can't we just accept that some kids are brighter than others.
Also a wheelchair user falls into a completely different situation. There's a big difference between someone who is struggling with reading and someone who cannot use their legs!!"
i can use one of me legs but they cut the other one off and burnt it.so from what i can gather i got half an excuse then?
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