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By *irtyGirl OP Woman
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
The news on the radio today is that cigarette packaging is going to change to green packaging with pictures of the harm it does on them.
Whilst I totally understand that smoking is bad for you and we're all going to die... I really don't give a toss what's on the box. I'm not understanding what impact the authorities think it will have... if you're a smoker then you're a smoker and it's what's in the box that matters?
Any thoughts? Before the anti-smokers start... this isn't a lecture inducing thread... I'm just curious as to what difference it makes to the smokers - would you be more likely to stop smoking cause the box doesn't look pretty?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I couldn't give a shit what's on the box I will still buy them lol, what is concerning is this new thing there bringing out where there will be no more 10 packs and also a capped cost at £15 for 20  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ex smoker here and to be honest I find it ridiculous. I didn't start smoking because I saw a pretty box and thought ooo I must try that the colours are so enticing.
I really don't see what effect this will have on smokers or non smokers about to start there already hidden behind something so as not to be advertised so you have to of decided to buy a pack before you see a pack.
Don't quite understand the logic myself other then to keep the anti smoking police happy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not only packaging ... I believe they are also trying to phase out 10 boxes and small packs of tobacco ...
God knows what they hope to achieve ... I mean they tried the whole u can't have tobacco on public display anymore, so shops had to cover them.
It's not going to stop people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it's just a case of the authorities being damned if they do and damned if they don't.....
Surely doing nothing would be as unacceptable as failing to make an effort to reminded people of the health risks of smoking at the point of sale.....  |
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I'm an ex smoker now. I'd never have given a toss what's on the box when I smoked. What I might have cared about though if I'd have had a clue was how much I fucking stunk but not just me my house my car and everything about me reaked of it but I had no idea I couldn't smell it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It makes no difference to the die hard smokers, not even sure it will stop people starting in the first place. When I was a smoker the high prices just got me trawling all over the place to find the cheapest, which turned out to be either Spain or Japan. When a pack of Rothmans was about £7 in the UK was getting them for £1.25 inc postage from Japan. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fags already have grim pictures on them on some brands, people still buy them "
The lady at the kiosk knew me and she use to check boxes before giving me them cos she knew some of the pics were too disturbing for me. i'd still smoke though.
I kind of stopped smoking and recently started again but I aim to Stop again by the end of the month. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If I remember correctly, I think the ttip trade agreement will reimburse the tobacco companies for losses caused by government regulation, so they might be on a win win situation anyhow, they get to cut down on fancy wrapping and still keep sales high.
I'm a cigar smoker myself and I've always been in favour of tobacco only being sold in specialists shops that just sell tobacco products |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i've been trying to give up for a while now, really struggling to quit and sometimes i wish they'd just ban cigs altogether or at least make them really cheap so i'm not wasting so much money. its exploitation of addiction as far as i'm concerned now.
anyway i'm sure i won't give up unless i can't breathe and the damage has already been done, i acknowledge this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't know why the government deem it necessary to tell me what mistakes I'm making, I never said to them that there was insufficient evidence to invade Iraq now did I.
£15 for a packet of fags, did no one stop to think of the knock on effects of that?
Organised criminals doing whatever it takes to bring in cheap fags from abroad,
Sections of society that put cigarettes before everything else are going to have further malnourished children
An increase in the manufacturing of fake cigarettes, containing God knows what
If they are telling us that it's to take the strain off the bus, u think they are getting it wrong again, because less people will smoke legally bought cigarettes, meaning less money, and more smoking related illnesses due to the shit that the unregulated fake cigarette trade, not to mention the extra police hours trying to deal with the beatings and killings associated with high profit margin criminal activity, and the poor children that are swept aside when the parents that won't stop smoking feed them poor quality food, if they feed them at all, social services are under enough stress as it is
It's fucked up |
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There was one image that I did NOT understand at all, a man lying on a table with a cloth on his face - honestly, and I know this makes me appear terribly dim, but I did not get it at all, I thought it was someone on a sun bed...but it was meant to be someone on the mortician's slab... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm in Southern Ireland and they haven't sold packets of 10's here for years. Made no difference to most. We now have a choice of 20's, 23's, 24's and 30's. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But on the bright side..... at least geeks who collect cigarette packs will have more swaps ....and the value of their older packets with soar in value...
I can almost see the glee on their faces.... |
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It's a ridiculous waste of public money and not evidence based - as ever with conservative ideolgy.
We should have waited for more countries who may have been stupid enough to pursue and pay for it first. Or just only pursued costly public policy where there is evidence. |
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"I couldn't give a shit what's on the box I will still buy them lol, what is concerning is this new thing there bringing out where there will be no more 10 packs and also a capped cost at £15 for 20 "
And your profile says your a non smoker. Hmmmm |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
They've had packaging like that in Australia for some years. It would be interesting to know what impact it has had.
It may put people off smoking such as younger people and that's got to be a good thing. |
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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago
South West London / Surrey |
I'm currently trying to give up smoking, managed a whole week so far. *Gives myself a clap*
It's had nothing to do with shops putting them behind a screen or the pictures and changes to the boxes. It's just nonsense as people are well aware of the risks.
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By *irtyGirl OP Woman
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"They've had packaging like that in Australia for some years. It would be interesting to know what impact it has had.
It may put people off smoking such as younger people and that's got to be a good thing. "
Yeah that's definitely a good thing... if I went back and lived life again I'd never start!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They should do the same to alcohol in pubs and shops. As it causes more deaths and cost to society than smoking.
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totally agree, the effects of alchohol are every bit as bad |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They should do the same to alcohol in pubs and shops. As it causes more deaths and cost to society than smoking.
totally agree, the effects of alchohol are every bit as bad "
Yep. While we're at it lets ban sex too. We all know how dangerous that can be. And lets ban cars....they're fuck off dangerous. Oh bloody hell, I could go on......
People know the risks involved with all these activities. The packaging is not the reason why most people started smoking. It might help you decide which brand you want to smoke if you're young and impressionable, but it will make sod all difference to most smokers.
Mrs ex-smoker and alcohol drinker....and driver of car.... |
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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago
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"They should do the same to alcohol in pubs and shops. As it causes more deaths and cost to society than smoking.
totally agree, the effects of alchohol are every bit as bad
Yep. While we're at it lets ban sex too. We all know how dangerous that can be. And lets ban cars....they're fuck off dangerous. Oh bloody hell, I could go on......
People know the risks involved with all these activities. The packaging is not the reason why most people started smoking. It might help you decide which brand you want to smoke if you're young and impressionable, but it will make sod all difference to most smokers.
Mrs ex-smoker and alcohol drinker....and driver of car...."
Ban sex? Come on now, thats a step to far!
Chocolate, cake and sugar can go first.
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"I'm currently trying to give up smoking, managed a whole week so far. *Gives myself a clap*
It's had nothing to do with shops putting them behind a screen or the pictures and changes to the boxes. It's just nonsense as people are well aware of the risks.
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Well done you its a huge thing as I no to well. They say it's harder to quit cigs than smack and by fuck I believe it |
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surely the best idea to put people off smoking would be to construct a packet that shoots Sharp spikes out of the side of it everytime you open it..or maybe put a small exploding dye capsule in each cigarette that covers your face with purple dye |
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"I'm currently trying to give up smoking, managed a whole week so far. *Gives myself a clap*
It's had nothing to do with shops putting them behind a screen or the pictures and changes to the boxes. It's just nonsense as people are well aware of the risks.
Well done you its a huge thing as I no to well. They say it's harder to quit cigs than smack and by fuck I believe it"
You did it Bladey! I'm proud of you 
I remember being in a lift years ago and a smoker getting in. The smell was so awful I thought at the time the amount of money I wasted on even heating hot water to shower if I stank that badly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"surely the best idea to put people off smoking would be to construct a packet that shoots Sharp spikes out of the side of it everytime you open it..or maybe put a small exploding dye capsule in each cigarette that covers your face with purple dye "
great idea!! |
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"I'm currently trying to give up smoking, managed a whole week so far. *Gives myself a clap*
It's had nothing to do with shops putting them behind a screen or the pictures and changes to the boxes. It's just nonsense as people are well aware of the risks.
Well done you its a huge thing as I no to well. They say it's harder to quit cigs than smack and by fuck I believe it
You did it Bladey! I'm proud of you
I remember being in a lift years ago and a smoker getting in. The smell was so awful I thought at the time the amount of money I wasted on even heating hot water to shower if I stank that badly."
2 years now smoke free. Never thought I'd be able to say that. As for the smell see my post way up ^ there x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They should do the same to alcohol in pubs and shops. As it causes more deaths and cost to society than smoking.
totally agree, the effects of alchohol are every bit as bad
Yep. While we're at it lets ban sex too. We all know how dangerous that can be. And lets ban cars....they're fuck off dangerous. Oh bloody hell, I could go on......
People know the risks involved with all these activities. The packaging is not the reason why most people started smoking. It might help you decide which brand you want to smoke if you're young and impressionable, but it will make sod all difference to most smokers.
Mrs ex-smoker and alcohol drinker....and driver of car...."
Cars are dangerous but not addictive, sex can be addictive, but if done safely can improve fitness, burn calories, improve mental stimulation and feelings of euphoria etc.
We should ban sugar too and have Stevia or Xylitol in place of it, but the sugar lobby is way too powerful.
The health benefits would be immense! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've also heard that they are going to phase-out menthol cigarettes by 2020 as they're considered a starter cigarette. I only smoke menthol, sucks to be me  |
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By *irtyGirl OP Woman
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
"I've also heard that they are going to phase-out menthol cigarettes by 2020 as they're considered a starter cigarette. I only smoke menthol, sucks to be me "
What? WHAT???
I only smoke menthol as well!
Must stop before then!  |
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"They've had packaging like that in Australia for some years. It would be interesting to know what impact it has had.
It may put people off smoking such as younger people and that's got to be a good thing. "
There is no conclusive evidence and smoking is in decline in western countries anyway.
Smokers just have been the subjects of a witch hunt, leaving alcohol drinkers scot free - for now.
I can imagine some cigarette boxes making a comeback. |
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"I don't know why the government deem it necessary to tell me what mistakes I'm making, I never said to them that there was insufficient evidence to invade Iraq now did I.
£15 for a packet of fags, did no one stop to think of the knock on effects of that?
Organised criminals doing whatever it takes to bring in cheap fags from abroad,
Sections of society that put cigarettes before everything else are going to have further malnourished children
An increase in the manufacturing of fake cigarettes, containing God knows what
If they are telling us that it's to take the strain off the bus, u think they are getting it wrong again, because less people will smoke legally bought cigarettes, meaning less money, and more smoking related illnesses due to the shit that the unregulated fake cigarette trade, not to mention the extra police hours trying to deal with the beatings and killings associated with high profit margin criminal activity, and the poor children that are swept aside when the parents that won't stop smoking feed them poor quality food, if they feed them at all, social services are under enough stress as it is
It's fucked up"
This.
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"Must go buy a vast selection of fags...you never know,they could be collectables of the future."
Vintage boxes are already collectibles ans so modern ones will join them.
Will probably be a better investment than bank savings accounts. |
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I do think we've reached the point where some of the pictures need to be censored.
I don't smoke, and I don't want to be seeing clips from "Embarassing Bodies" or worse while I'm out enjoying myself.
Mr ddc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well, I smoke golden Virginia, so already in an olive coloured pack.
It makes no difference to me in the slightest.
But it does strike me as alot of fannying around. So, make it illegal, or stop pissing around the issue with petty beurocratic half measures. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I do think we've reached the point where some of the pictures need to be censored.
I don't smoke, and I don't want to be seeing clips from "Embarassing Bodies" or worse while I'm out enjoying myself.
Mr ddc"
my ex said those throat cancer pictures helped him to stop smoking. they made him feel sick and he's given up for years now. |
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"I look forward to the day they show pictures of battered spouses, house fire victims and the victims of drink drivers on all alcohol packaging "
I might drive with pics of accidents to deter road accidents that would have been avoidable.
People become immune to images very quickly.
It's treating people like they are children. It will make no significant difference to smoking. Or people will buy imported fags with nicer packs and we'll get no tax. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They're banning menthols in 2020 and I for one am livid  "
The whole idea of this has not been thought out! No 10s...well that will encourage people to stop when they only bought 10s and now have to buy 20s...no menthol....well we know what the fag smugglers will be fetching in now and not selling them at a reduced price when they will be like rocking horse shit....now that word reminds me of the people who rubber stamped this
Thick as pig shit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They've nailed anyone who vapes too. I know of several shops that have already closed and a lot of manufacturers of e-liquid have said they're going to have to close once the regulations come into force.
Basically no eliquid over 20mg strength, eliqyid can only be sold in 10ml bottles, tanks can only hold 2ml of liquid unless pre-approved, the sale of nicotine for homemade liquid will be restricted to 20g per 100ml rather than the current 72g per 100ml.
This is all despite the Royal College of Nursing and British Medical Council approving vaping and recommending doctors start prescribing them as the preferred method of quitting smoking and that their research has proven that it's no more harmful than drinking a cup of tea.
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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago
Watford |
"If I remember correctly, I think the ttip trade agreement will reimburse the tobacco companies for losses caused by government regulation, so they might be on a win win situation anyhow, they get to cut down on fancy wrapping and still keep sales high.
I'm a cigar smoker myself and I've always been in favour of tobacco only being sold in specialists shops that just sell tobacco products"
Actually I doubt it.
Phillip Morris tried to sue Australia for plain packaging under similar legislation. The final appeal court decided that even bringing the case was a 'flagrant abuse of Phillip Morris's rights' and found against Phillip Morris.
I think the story is just another piece of scaremongering by the anti-TTIP crew. |
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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago
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"They've nailed anyone who vapes too. I know of several shops that have already closed and a lot of manufacturers of e-liquid have said they're going to have to close once the regulations come into force.
Basically no eliquid over 20mg strength, eliqyid can only be sold in 10ml bottles, tanks can only hold 2ml of liquid unless pre-approved, the sale of nicotine for homemade liquid will be restricted to 20g per 100ml rather than the current 72g per 100ml.
This is all despite the Royal College of Nursing and British Medical Council approving vaping and recommending doctors start prescribing them as the preferred method of quitting smoking and that their research has proven that it's no more harmful than drinking a cup of tea.
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A half story if ever I saw one. They both also said that the market needs regulating to ensure products were safe and to ensure that they didn't encourage non-smokers and kids to start vaping. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I couldn't give a shit what's on the box I will still buy them lol, what is concerning is this new thing there bringing out where there will be no more 10 packs and also a capped cost at £15 for 20 "
£15 for 20 fags might stop a lot of kids taking up smoking? Can't be a bad thing |
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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago
Watford |
"Maybe it's a way of putting younger kids off considering it in the future? "
Mrs Fox, it's reassuring for my view of humanity to find there is someone with a brain posting in this thread!
Thank you!
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By *ittie4UCouple
over a year ago
Watford |
"I couldn't give a shit what's on the box I will still buy them lol, what is concerning is this new thing there bringing out where there will be no more 10 packs and also a capped cost at £15 for 20
£15 for 20 fags might stop a lot of kids taking up smoking? Can't be a bad thing"
I'm feeling better now. Two people with brains! Thank you! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I couldn't give a shit what's on the box I will still buy them lol, what is concerning is this new thing there bringing out where there will be no more 10 packs and also a capped cost at £15 for 20
£15 for 20 fags might stop a lot of kids taking up smoking? Can't be a bad thing
I'm feeling better now. Two people with brains! Thank you!"
hurry up, i want to go to bed but need to see what you say about _ce wingers baccy tin or i won't sleep. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Leave smokers alone .
Does that include not providing medical care for them when they are dying from smoking related diseases?"
Smokers pay 4 times more into the economy,than they receive in medical care.
In fact smokers should be entitled to private health care.
They should be making every effort,to get us back on the street,so we can help subsidise,this ailing economy.
In fact,the country is lucky to have us.
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"I couldn't give a shit what's on the box I will still buy them lol, what is concerning is this new thing there bringing out where there will be no more 10 packs and also a capped cost at £15 for 20
£15 for 20 fags might stop a lot of kids taking up smoking? Can't be a bad thing
I'm feeling better now. Two people with brains! Thank you!
hurry up, i want to go to bed but need to see what you say about _ce wingers baccy tin or i won't sleep."
Well given that we'e all brainless on this thread, we probably wouldn't understand anyway |
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Shhhh...it's part of "Britain Stronger In Europe's" campaign to get people like me voting to stay in.
I mean, do you really think I'd pay nearly £10.00 for a pack of 20 when I can legally buy cigarettes from another EU member state for less than half as much including the cost of shipping? |
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smokers are addicts
i would imagine it'll make no difference to them
dont they already have disgusting pics on.
they should just make them more expensive if they want people to stop..but they dont really want them to do that cos theyll lose all that money they get from tax |
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