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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Where am I going wrong?
This lass has a nice new 2 bedroom house for her and her son.
They did a flash around her house nice big tv, iPad on the sofa in the kitchen a carton of 100 fags and a iPhone 6 Plus the house looks nice n tidy decent furniture etc.
She gets her rent paid and still earns more a month than me from not working and is moaning he's struggling to make ends meet.
Where am I going wrong Jesus |
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By *horltzMan
over a year ago
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"Where am I going wrong?
This lass has a nice new 2 bedroom house for her and her son.
They did a flash around her house nice big tv, iPad on the sofa in the kitchen a carton of 100 fags and a iPhone 6 Plus the house looks nice n tidy decent furniture etc.
She gets her rent paid and still earns more a month than me from not working and is moaning he's struggling to make ends meet.
Where am I going wrong Jesus "
The simple answer is this ... Hard working and paying your way |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't know anyone who can afford that "on the dole". Perhaps she has other money coming in she hasn't declared. Or maybe the television came with the flat,is rented or someone gave it to her. The iPad or tablet could have been a present from a relative and maybe she smokes instead of eats. Or maybe she's getting more than the people I knew who struggled "on the dole". |
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Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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These programmes are made for a very little amount of money and designed to sensationalise an issue that whilst distasteful these cases are a minority. Daily Mail Telly doesn't do it for me.
Still I am a bleeding heart Liberal! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Ah good old channel 5 
the Sun of the TV world lol sensationalist drivel designed to inflame the masses and create social tension.....works though by the sounds of it"
Yes it does clearly!!!! |
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if they made a programme ..about people on the dole and said person was living in poverty.. it just wouldn't make interesting tv..how much you believe to be true of these programmes is up to you.. personally I'd take them with a very large pinch of salt.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. "
Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When I was unemployed, that wasn;t my experience
This 
We were very close to losing our home. "
I was unemployed for around 3 months and I would walk home miles across London from job interviews to avoid the cost of a tube or bus.
I was 2 weeks away from my housing benefit being capped which would have left me needing to use around £20 a week of my JSA on my rent which would have likely seen me homeless.
It was a hellish experience, when people are living it up on benefits all is not as it seems |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"When I was unemployed, that wasn;t my experience
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We were very close to losing our home.
I was unemployed for around 3 months and I would walk home miles across London from job interviews to avoid the cost of a tube or bus.
I was 2 weeks away from my housing benefit being capped which would have left me needing to use around £20 a week of my JSA on my rent which would have likely seen me homeless.
It was a hellish experience, when people are living it up on benefits all is not as it seems"
So why then has the woman on the show just said she gets 20k a year and her rent paid and she can't afford stuff.
I earn little more than that working for the NHS yet I can afford to live and I pay a mortgage.
It's all wrong |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When I was unemployed, that wasn;t my experience
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We were very close to losing our home.
I was unemployed for around 3 months and I would walk home miles across London from job interviews to avoid the cost of a tube or bus.
I was 2 weeks away from my housing benefit being capped which would have left me needing to use around £20 a week of my JSA on my rent which would have likely seen me homeless.
It was a hellish experience, when people are living it up on benefits all is not as it seems
So why then has the woman on the show just said she gets 20k a year and her rent paid and she can't afford stuff.
I earn little more than that working for the NHS yet I can afford to live and I pay a mortgage.
It's all wrong "
Maybe because she is spending money meant for her children on cigarettes. What stuff can't she afford and have they done a breakdown of what she gets and where it goes? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"When I was unemployed, that wasn;t my experience
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We were very close to losing our home.
I was unemployed for around 3 months and I would walk home miles across London from job interviews to avoid the cost of a tube or bus.
I was 2 weeks away from my housing benefit being capped which would have left me needing to use around £20 a week of my JSA on my rent which would have likely seen me homeless.
It was a hellish experience, when people are living it up on benefits all is not as it seems
So why then has the woman on the show just said she gets 20k a year and her rent paid and she can't afford stuff.
I earn little more than that working for the NHS yet I can afford to live and I pay a mortgage.
It's all wrong
Maybe because she is spending money meant for her children on cigarettes. What stuff can't she afford and have they done a breakdown of what she gets and where it goes? "
Your right there one of them
Has her daughter sat in the house in coat scarf and gloves no leccy, her daughter just said she wanted mum to stop smoking but the mother said not yet.
Fags before kids nice!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When I was unemployed, that wasn;t my experience
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We were very close to losing our home.
I was unemployed for around 3 months and I would walk home miles across London from job interviews to avoid the cost of a tube or bus.
I was 2 weeks away from my housing benefit being capped which would have left me needing to use around £20 a week of my JSA on my rent which would have likely seen me homeless.
It was a hellish experience, when people are living it up on benefits all is not as it seems
So why then has the woman on the show just said she gets 20k a year and her rent paid and she can't afford stuff.
I earn little more than that working for the NHS yet I can afford to live and I pay a mortgage.
It's all wrong "
Maybe because she is being paid to be on the program and they "strongly encouraged her" to embellish her lifestyle if she wanted to be on the telly?
I (long story) spoke to a reporter a while back because we wanted to do a story about a condition that affected us badly and wanted to show it in a positive light. It would have been nice to get publicity for a charity.
She kept pushing me to say that the condition had caused marital problems for us. It hadn't, not even one argument about it. She went on to say if it had, we'd get more money for the story.
She was basically telling me to lie.
I didn't go ahead with the story in the end.
But I can imagine some people on benefits would say anything to get some extra cash if they were desperate.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where am I going wrong?
This lass has a nice new 2 bedroom house for her and her son.
They did a flash around her house nice big tv, iPad on the sofa in the kitchen a carton of 100 fags and a iPhone 6 Plus the house looks nice n tidy decent furniture etc.
She gets her rent paid and still earns more a month than me from not working and is moaning he's struggling to make ends meet.
Where am I going wrong Jesus "
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Asking Jesus about why some people get a good deal on benefits...
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Is where your going wrong!... Probably |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"Where am I going wrong?
This lass has a nice new 2 bedroom house for her and her son.
They did a flash around her house nice big tv, iPad on the sofa in the kitchen a carton of 100 fags and a iPhone 6 Plus the house looks nice n tidy decent furniture etc.
She gets her rent paid and still earns more a month than me from not working and is moaning he's struggling to make ends meet.
Where am I going wrong Jesus "
If that's on television then I don't fucking believe it. It's just poverty porn to either enrage or mock.
Fucking disgusting and misleading programmes like this get on my tits.
I've been on the dole unfortunately and can assure you there were plenty of days I went hungry.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Quite simply telly like this is Valium for the masses. Its scripted nonsense made to boost ratings so channel 5 can flog adverts a premium rates and make money on the backs of those who are portrayed in the piece as villains. Turn it off and put on the stereophonics and chill! I am listening to Nick Drake.............! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where am I going wrong?
This lass has a nice new 2 bedroom house for her and her son.
They did a flash around her house nice big tv, iPad on the sofa in the kitchen a carton of 100 fags and a iPhone 6 Plus the house looks nice n tidy decent furniture etc.
She gets her rent paid and still earns more a month than me from not working and is moaning he's struggling to make ends meet.
Where am I going wrong Jesus
If that's on television then I don't fucking believe it. It's just poverty porn to either enrage or mock.
Fucking disgusting and misleading programmes like this get on my tits.
I've been on the dole unfortunately and can assure you there were plenty of days I went hungry.
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What this lady says..............!!! well said that lady!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They make a program showing people on benefits living the life of Reilly. Everyone is outraged so they cut benefits. Everyone is outraged. "
I'm not outraged , and to be honest I feel for them .
They do the best they can do and it's hardly the life of Reilly .
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You do know majority of these programmes are a fix. They are not real people but actors.
My agency approaches me to play a part in a TV programme about life on the dole. I had a house and family sorted too
Anyway back to reality
Single people on the dole earn £73.10 a week
Married couple get £114
There is a cap on housing benefit depending on how many rooms in your house and how many your entitled too
Unless you have a disabity that is all you get.
Even on disability your lucky to get £150 a week.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Quite simply telly like this is Valium for the masses. Its scripted nonsense made to boost ratings so channel 5 can flog adverts a premium rates and make money on the backs of those who are portrayed in the piece as villains. Turn it off and put on the stereophonics and chill! I am listening to Nick Drake.............! "
We met a band the other night and hung out with them when we went to see the Stereophonics, they are called 'exit black' and must say I'm pretty impressed. And they were nice fellas too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They make a program showing people on benefits living the life of Reilly. Everyone is outraged so they cut benefits. Everyone is outraged.
I'm not outraged , and to be honest I feel for them .
They do the best they can do and it's hardly the life of Reilly .
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I'm not talking about actual people,I'm talking about people on the television shows. If I were to believe everything I see on television I would think that doggers were a bunch of illiterate skanks who can't string a sentence together and wear animal masks. |
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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"They make a program showing people on benefits living the life of Reilly. Everyone is outraged so they cut benefits. Everyone is outraged.
I'm not outraged , and to be honest I feel for them .
They do the best they can do and it's hardly the life of Reilly .
I'm not talking about actual people,I'm talking about people on the television shows. If I were to believe everything I see on television I would think that doggers were a bunch of illiterate skanks who can't string a sentence together and wear animal masks. "
Wow, where did you see me then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ah good old channel 5 "
Yes they do seem to drag the bottom of the canal for their programmes, I'd never watch anything to do with benefits cause I know my blood would boil. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If she can afford all that on the dole the two of us are seriously missing out"
Its called divide and rule.....they give you the bullets and your firing them  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They make a program showing people on benefits living the life of Reilly. Everyone is outraged so they cut benefits. Everyone is outraged.
I'm not outraged , and to be honest I feel for them .
They do the best they can do and it's hardly the life of Reilly .
I'm not talking about actual people,I'm talking about people on the television shows. If I were to believe everything I see on television I would think that doggers were a bunch of illiterate skanks who can't string a sentence together and wear animal masks.
Wow, where did you see me then? "
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
"If she can afford all that on the dole the two of us are seriously missing out"
It's false reporting to create drama and enrage people.
It's called poverty porn. And it's a pile of steaming horse shit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"When I was unemployed, that wasn;t my experience
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We were very close to losing our home.
I was unemployed for around 3 months and I would walk home miles across London from job interviews to avoid the cost of a tube or bus.
I was 2 weeks away from my housing benefit being capped which would have left me needing to use around £20 a week of my JSA on my rent which would have likely seen me homeless.
It was a hellish experience, when people are living it up on benefits all is not as it seems
So why then has the woman on the show just said she gets 20k a year and her rent paid and she can't afford stuff.
I earn little more than that working for the NHS yet I can afford to live and I pay a mortgage.
It's all wrong "
I don't really get why it bothers you?
Some of us have morals and a backbone moral of our culture is basically about doing as you want others to do. If everyone scammed the system then there wouldn't be a system, hence scamming the system is immoral by most people's standards.
You can be far more proud of living off your own efforts and paying your way than some scammed whether they have mice material things or not.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! "
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Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! .
Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see "
A bit harsh? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! .
Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see A bit harsh?"
Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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These shows are made to create outrage, just like benefits street. To make people think their taxes are paying for that, when only a small percentage goes into that pot.
Like said already, the items could be rented, on contract etc. But even so a tv isn't that expensive nowadays.
I reckon saying she receives that amount of money includes her benefits she doesn't actually receive, like housing benefit. This would have of course been done on purpose to make the viewers react to it... Guess it works. There's a reason they choose certain people for these types of shows, because those actually struggling would be ignored and no doubt told its their own fault, should get a job etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! .
Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see A bit harsh?
Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes. "
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There can't be any large scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on an individual level, It's got to happen inside first.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! .
Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see "
Don't have to be clever(I'm not!)to realise the ulterior motive behind these types of programmes.....said the peasant with his eyes open.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! .
Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see A bit harsh?
Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes. .
There can't be any large scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on an individual level, It's got to happen inside first. "
My revolutionary philosophy is called 'indifference' as I refuse to get sucked into the politics of envy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ah good old channel 5
the Sun of the TV world lol sensationalist drivel designed to inflame the masses and create social tension.....works though by the sounds of it"
The bankers are the real spongers. Dont let them feed you the same old shit that everyone falls for. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"These shows are made to create outrage, just like benefits street. To make people think their taxes are paying for that, when only a small percentage goes into that pot.
Like said already, the items could be rented, on contract etc. But even so a tv isn't that expensive nowadays.
I reckon saying she receives that amount of money includes her benefits she doesn't actually receive, like housing benefit. This would have of course been done on purpose to make the viewers react to it... Guess it works. There's a reason they choose certain people for these types of shows, because those actually struggling would be ignored and no doubt told its their own fault, should get a job etc "
Very nicely put...I applaud you |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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Maybe you only get if you spend years on the dole. I was made redundant a few months back after working since leaving school a long long time ago and was entitled to £73 per week for 6 months but for this I had to show I was looking for work for 35 hours per week including on the computer sending letters and cvs telephone and personal visits to companies and visiting the job centre, After my first sign on I went in and I was asked why I had only searched online for a total of 19 hours on the job website? answer stuff your £73.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! .
Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see A bit harsh?
Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes. .
There can't be any large scale revolution until there's a personal revolution, on an individual level, It's got to happen inside first.
My revolutionary philosophy is called 'indifference' as I refuse to get sucked into the politics of envy. "
Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes. "
I knew it! When a lass called me a revolting peasant the other day I could see in her eyes she wanted to get down n dirty.....not in a coal mine either!  |
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Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes.
I knew it! When a lass called me a revolting peasant the other day I could see in her eyes she wanted to get down n dirty.....not in a coal mine either! "
The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man. |
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Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes.
I knew it! When a lass called me a revolting peasant the other day I could see in her eyes she wanted to get down n dirty.....not in a coal mine either! The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man."
It's only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe you only get if you spend years on the dole. I was made redundant a few months back after working since leaving school a long long time ago and was entitled to £73 per week for 6 months but for this I had to show I was looking for work for 35 hours per week including on the computer sending letters and cvs telephone and personal visits to companies and visiting the job centre, After my first sign on I went in and I was asked why I had only searched online for a total of 19 hours on the job website? answer stuff your £73.
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Now your getting it....but that side is never portrayed in TV shows. In reality that is what benefits is like and not the easy street they want to show. As I said in a previous qoute here....divide and rule. |
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Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes.
I knew it! When a lass called me a revolting peasant the other day I could see in her eyes she wanted to get down n dirty.....not in a coal mine either! The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man.
It's only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything "
I started out with nothing and I've still got most of it now. |
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"Where am I going wrong?
This lass has a nice new 2 bedroom house for her and her son.
They did a flash around her house nice big tv, iPad on the sofa in the kitchen a carton of 100 fags and a iPhone 6 Plus the house looks nice n tidy decent furniture etc.
She gets her rent paid and still earns more a month than me from not working and is moaning he's struggling to make ends meet.
Where am I going wrong Jesus "
These programmes are designed to wind you up and resent those on benefits. I often wonder if the people taking part are compos mentis as flaunting "luxuries" whilst claiming takes balls and sends people into rage...what sane person wants the agro? |
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Peasants is a compliment from him. Peasants revolt and he always fancies a bit of revolution. He denies it but I see it in his eyes.
I knew it! When a lass called me a revolting peasant the other day I could see in her eyes she wanted to get down n dirty.....not in a coal mine either! The first lesson a revolutionary must learn is that he is a doomed man.
It's only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything "
'There are harmless dreamers and they’re loved by the people.' 'What,' I asked you, 'is harmless about a dreamer, and what,' I asked you, 'is harmless about the love of the people? Revolution only needs good dreamers who remember their dreams
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! "
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"Ah good old channel 5
the Sun of the TV world lol sensationalist drivel designed to inflame the masses and create social tension.....works though by the sounds of it"
yea more villifying people. Does the government sponser that shit? I spent over a year on dole and it's no picnic!!!! |
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"Ah good old channel 5
the Sun of the TV world lol sensationalist drivel designed to inflame the masses and create social tension.....works though by the sounds of it yea more villifying people. Does the government sponser that shit? I spent over a year on dole and it's no picnic!!!! "
not my experience inthe least!! |
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over a year ago
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"Change the channel! "
But none of the other million channels are offering me anything to get outraged about!
Hang on.......how to get a council house is on,I'll need some valium for that!Grrrr! |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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Of course it isnt as it has to make out all those on the dole are living the life of Riley.
I am fortunate that I have no debt and have money saved and I was not going in to be given the third degree every fortnight by someone that looks down their nose for the sum of £73 which if you work it out over 35 hours searching is slightly over £2 per hour hence the reason I said stuff it but I know that far too many are not in the same position. |
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over a year ago
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90% of tv is Bullshit propaganda just like the red top news papers.truth doesn't sell. Try talking to people on JSA ESA or anyone who has Been homeLess then see if it's an easy option. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"Maybe you only get if you spend years on the dole. I was made redundant a few months back after working since leaving school a long long time ago and was entitled to £73 per week for 6 months but for this I had to show I was looking for work for 35 hours per week including on the computer sending letters and cvs telephone and personal visits to companies and visiting the job centre, After my first sign on I went in and I was asked why I had only searched online for a total of 19 hours on the job website? answer stuff your £73. I did reply but forgot to Quote.
Now your getting it....but that side is never portrayed in TV shows. In reality that is what benefits is like and not the easy street they want to show. As I said in a previous qoute here....divide and rule."
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"Of course it isnt as it has to make out all those on the dole are living the life of Riley.
I am fortunate that I have no debt and have money saved and I was not going in to be given the third degree every fortnight by someone that looks down their nose for the sum of £73 which if you work it out over 35 hours searching is slightly over £2 per hour hence the reason I said stuff it but I know that far too many are not in the same position."
Aye,they don't half breath down your neck these days!
15-20 years ago before I became the hard working guy I am today( )they just gave you a wee book to write down what you'd done to look for work....and they didn't even bother to check if you really had done what you wrote in it!
I called it my lie book 
Now? Fucking hell it's easier to get a job rather than put up with the shit they try to give you! |
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"Change the channel!
But none of the other million channels are offering me anything to get outraged about!
Hang on.......how to get a council house is on,I'll need some valium for that!Grrrr! "
Pay the councillor who processes your application a couple of grand to sign one over to you,using falsified documents. |
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"Change the channel!
But none of the other million channels are offering me anything to get outraged about!
Hang on.......how to get a council house is on,I'll need some valium for that!Grrrr!
Pay the councillor who processes your application a couple of grand to sign one over to you,using falsified documents. "
Is there any council houses now? I thought they give them all away to housing associations that their mates setup. |
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"Change the channel!
But none of the other million channels are offering me anything to get outraged about!
Hang on.......how to get a council house is on,I'll need some valium for that!Grrrr!
Pay the councillor who processes your application a couple of grand to sign one over to you,using falsified documents. "
I won't bother divulging how I wangled getting my housing association flat.....might cause a resentment induced outrage overload! |
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over a year ago
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What is it they reckon? Probably under £1bn pa lost to benefit fraud; about £120bn pa lost to tax avoidance by the mega-rich and companies registered in the BVI / Panama and the like. Can we say 'distorted priorities'? |
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over a year ago
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"Change the channel!
But none of the other million channels are offering me anything to get outraged about!
Hang on.......how to get a council house is on,I'll need some valium for that!Grrrr!
Pay the councillor who processes your application a couple of grand to sign one over to you,using falsified documents.
I won't bother divulging how I wangled getting my housing association flat.....might cause a resentment induced outrage overload! "
Just to clarify,I didn't pay anyone anything,I was reading an article about a woman going to prison for accepting bribes from people not eligible for council housing  |
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"What is it they reckon? Probably under £1bn pa lost to benefit fraud; about £120bn pa lost to tax avoidance by the mega-rich and companies registered in the BVI / Panama and the like. Can we say 'distorted priorities'? "
Exactly.
And the conservatives are tough on crime but their potential election fraud last year is staying silent.
Channel 5 has a huge agenda to create right wing driven propaganda. |
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"Change the channel!
But none of the other million channels are offering me anything to get outraged about!
Hang on.......how to get a council house is on,I'll need some valium for that!Grrrr!
Pay the councillor who processes your application a couple of grand to sign one over to you,using falsified documents.
I won't bother divulging how I wangled getting my housing association flat.....might cause a resentment induced outrage overload!
Just to clarify,I didn't pay anyone anything,I was reading an article about a woman going to prison for accepting bribes from people not eligible for council housing "
Cool,I didn't for a minute think you would do such a thing......and then brag about it on the internet!
All above board at my end also and definitely! no bribes involved in my story either....I'm far too tight for a start! |
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over a year ago
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"Keep them glued to the telly watching shite like this that makes folk resentful over a few grand.....meanwhile the fat cats are dipping the pockets of the whole nation for millions.
Nevermind that,lets pick on single parents!
Don't get sucked in by trash telly programmes,it's what they want! .
Keep you doped with religion, sex and TV, and you think your so clever and classless and free!.
But your still fucking peasants as far as I can see A bit harsh?"
It's not even his words...
Try working class hero ... John Lennon |
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over a year ago
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This isn't how everyone lives on the dole and is just a handful of people that do live like this, my ex husband is on the dole and is struggling for work because of child care commitments, he can't afford anything new, anything he gets new is bought by his family for him, having said that he can afford booze and fags every week (which I can't afford to do!!)
Don't really know where I was going with this comment when I actually stopped to think about it!!
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?"
Really?
£3bn unaccounted for our a £2 trillion plus economy is actually pretty damn good.
£600bn tax income roughly puts that "evasion" at about 0.5%
That's again a pretty good figure.
Heck i bet supermarket's would kill for a 0.5% shrinkage value. |
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"What is it they reckon? Probably under £1bn pa lost to benefit fraud; about £120bn pa lost to tax avoidance by the mega-rich and companies registered in the BVI / Panama and the like. Can we say 'distorted priorities'? "
But "tax avoidance" isnt a loss.
Because it isnt money they should legally be reciving.
Shops near universally have everything priced to x.99p.
Saying tax avoidance is a loss is like shops called that 1p that would round it up to a pound a loss.
Also how are you defining thats good tax avoidance and whats bad?
The government encourages it through things like ISA's smart salary sacrifice pensions or schemes such as bike2work.
They're vehicles for tax avoision, but are they included in your figure? |
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Good old channel 5. The reality is that families on benefits mean children are living in poverty. I have no idea where they get these people who appear on these TV shows but it is not the norm. Believe me the reality is much much sadder. Mothers go without eating in order to feed their children. Their lives are poles apart from what you see on the TV. Perhaps channel 5 should do a show about that side of life. |
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?
Really?
£3bn unaccounted for our a £2 trillion plus economy is actually pretty damn good.
£600bn tax income roughly puts that "evasion" at about 0.5%
That's again a pretty good figure.
Heck i bet supermarket's would kill for a 0.5% shrinkage value."
The point was that benefit fraud is estimated to be circa £1bn it was to express the point that it maybe the lesser of two evils? |
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"What is it they reckon? Probably under £1bn pa lost to benefit fraud; about £120bn pa lost to tax avoidance by the mega-rich and companies registered in the BVI / Panama and the like. Can we say 'distorted priorities'?
But "tax avoidance" isnt a loss.
Because it isnt money they should legally be reciving.
Shops near universally have everything priced to x.99p.
Saying tax avoidance is a loss is like shops called that 1p that would round it up to a pound a loss.
Also how are you defining thats good tax avoidance and whats bad?
The government encourages it through things like ISA's smart salary sacrifice pensions or schemes such as bike2work.
They're vehicles for tax avoision, but are they included in your figure?"
I really don't understand the 99p shop analogy?
ISA's, Pension relief and other tax breaks are legally permitted vehicles for not paying tax at the appropriate rate and for the most part aid and abet the economy through direct inputs or positive externalities? |
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over a year ago
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"What is it they reckon? Probably under £1bn pa lost to benefit fraud; about £120bn pa lost to tax avoidance by the mega-rich and companies registered in the BVI / Panama and the like. Can we say 'distorted priorities'?
But "tax avoidance" isnt a loss.
Because it isnt money they should legally be reciving.
Shops near universally have everything priced to x.99p.
Saying tax avoidance is a loss is like shops called that 1p that would round it up to a pound a loss.
Also how are you defining thats good tax avoidance and whats bad?
The government encourages it through things like ISA's smart salary sacrifice pensions or schemes such as bike2work.
They're vehicles for tax avoision, but are they included in your figure?
I really don't understand the 99p shop analogy?
ISA's, Pension relief and other tax breaks are legally permitted vehicles for not paying tax at the appropriate rate and for the most part aid and abet the economy through direct inputs or positive externalities?"
Which is what tax avoidance is.
100% perfectly legal, its reducing your tax burden to the legally correct amount.
So describing it as money "lost" to the government is just like a shop calling that 1p a los because people dont just pay with a pound and say "keep the change" it was never money owed to the govenrment to begin with.
Tax evasion is what is illegal and is using illegal methods to not pay or reduce tax that is money lost and something HMRC goes after hard.
Complaining the government doesnt punish tax avoision is like complaining the police dont pull people over for doing 30 in a 30. Its not a crime. |
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?
Really?
£3bn unaccounted for our a £2 trillion plus economy is actually pretty damn good.
£600bn tax income roughly puts that "evasion" at about 0.5%
That's again a pretty good figure.
Heck i bet supermarket's would kill for a 0.5% shrinkage value. The point was that benefit fraud is estimated to be circa £1bn it was to express the point that it maybe the lesser of two evils?"
Why not go after both?
It's not like they have to pick one or the other is it?
They can target tax evaders and benift fraudsters at the same time.
What your presenting is a false dichotomy where its an either or situation. |
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But if you want to make false comparisons nhs bill for diabetes is 10bn, 8bn of that is avoidable complications caused by patients not following thier soctors instructions and treatment programs.
So 8bn vs 3bn maybe we should focus on punishing non cooperative diabetics.
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?
Really?
£3bn unaccounted for our a £2 trillion plus economy is actually pretty damn good.
£600bn tax income roughly puts that "evasion" at about 0.5%
That's again a pretty good figure.
Heck i bet supermarket's would kill for a 0.5% shrinkage value. The point was that benefit fraud is estimated to be circa £1bn it was to express the point that it maybe the lesser of two evils?
Why not go after both?
It's not like they have to pick one or the other is it?
They can target tax evaders and benift fraudsters at the same time.
What your presenting is a false dichotomy where its an either or situation."
Of course pursue both as they are both illegal activities. My point is that C5 should devote resources to sensationalising tax evasion which "costs" the tax payers more in real terms as its an income forgone?
I was presenting an opinion that TV programmes such as the one referred to are complete nonsense? |
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"But if you want to make false comparisons nhs bill for diabetes is 10bn, 8bn of that is avoidable complications caused by patients not following thier soctors instructions and treatment programs.
So 8bn vs 3bn maybe we should focus on punishing non cooperative diabetics. Are you really making that correlation? Lets go one step further and say punish those people who by birth have a genetic misalignment as that cost circa £0.5bn a year.
Your propositions are extreme and nonsensical!
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?
Really?
£3bn unaccounted for our a £2 trillion plus economy is actually pretty damn good.
£600bn tax income roughly puts that "evasion" at about 0.5%
That's again a pretty good figure.
Heck i bet supermarket's would kill for a 0.5% shrinkage value. The point was that benefit fraud is estimated to be circa £1bn it was to express the point that it maybe the lesser of two evils?
Why not go after both?
It's not like they have to pick one or the other is it?
They can target tax evaders and benift fraudsters at the same time.
What your presenting is a false dichotomy where its an either or situation.
Of course pursue both as they are both illegal activities. My point is that C5 should devote resources to sensationalising tax evasion which "costs" the tax payers more in real terms as its an income forgone?
I was presenting an opinion that TV programmes such as the one referred to are complete nonsense?"
Because tv shows about incredibly tedious accounting policies and and practices would sell marginally worse than a program that litteraly was about watching paint dry.
Theres no human element. |
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"Change the channel!
Still annoying whwn it's portrayed on telly as being a cushy option. Plays into the tory scum hands"
If everyone stopped watching there would be no ratings and maybe they'd stop making such shite. |
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?
Really?
£3bn unaccounted for our a £2 trillion plus economy is actually pretty damn good.
£600bn tax income roughly puts that "evasion" at about 0.5%
That's again a pretty good figure.
Heck i bet supermarket's would kill for a 0.5% shrinkage value. The point was that benefit fraud is estimated to be circa £1bn it was to express the point that it maybe the lesser of two evils?
Why not go after both?
It's not like they have to pick one or the other is it?
They can target tax evaders and benift fraudsters at the same time.
What your presenting is a false dichotomy where its an either or situation.
Of course pursue both as they are both illegal activities. My point is that C5 should devote resources to sensationalising tax evasion which "costs" the tax payers more in real terms as its an income forgone?
I was presenting an opinion that TV programmes such as the one referred to are complete nonsense?
Because tv shows about incredibly tedious accounting policies and and practices would sell marginally worse than a program that litteraly was about watching paint dry.
Theres no human element."
Britain's Got Talent has a human element and that is nonsense too but I digress.
The point was these reality show amount to nothing more than todays equivalent of village stocks and the protagonists in the production are there to have rotten fruit thrown at them.
Puerile rubbish in my view. That said I would watch a programme that is factual and presents a well reasoned investigation into why people would want to defraud HMRC. |
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I caught some of it. Some of those featured were seriously struggling. It's all done to sensationalise and make it look like those who claim benefits are leeches on society. Many people are only 3 months salary away from being homeless. Benefits are a safety net for the vulnerable and are needed.
Don't tar everyone with the same brush.
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?"
That is an entirely unrelated issue which has no relevance to the payment of welfare benefits . The harsh reality is that everyone in work is subsidising those who are unemployed .
Some unemployed people seem to enjoy a high standard of living with no responsibilities . |
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to? That is an entirely unrelated issue which has no relevance to the payment of welfare benefits . The harsh reality is that everyone in work is subsidising those who are unemployed .
Some unemployed people seem to enjoy a high standard of living with no responsibilities . "
But it could be related? Because maybe if all these big companies paid their taxes, then those who work for these companies wouldn't have to pay so much in tax?
Those on benefits are more than likely to put it all back in to the economic system, by purchasing food, clothes etc.Thats ddoing more than those who avoided paying tax done.
I've known many people on benefits and Im yet to know any that are living a luxurious life |
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to? That is an entirely unrelated issue which has no relevance to the payment of welfare benefits . The harsh reality is that everyone in work is subsidising those who are unemployed .
Some unemployed people seem to enjoy a high standard of living with no responsibilities .
But it could be related? Because maybe if all these big companies paid their taxes, then those who work for these companies wouldn't have to pay so much in tax?
Those on benefits are more than likely to put it all back in to the economic system, by purchasing food, clothes etc.Thats ddoing more than those who avoided paying tax done.
I've known many people on benefits and Im yet to know any that are living a luxurious life "
However , the taxation of companies is not quite so simple . All companies are doing is adhering to the legislation and many are employing thousands of people . Ask them to pay more tax by changing the tax laws and we all may have to pay more for our goods and services . |
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to? That is an entirely unrelated issue which has no relevance to the payment of welfare benefits . The harsh reality is that everyone in work is subsidising those who are unemployed .
Some unemployed people seem to enjoy a high standard of living with no responsibilities .
But it could be related? Because maybe if all these big companies paid their taxes, then those who work for these companies wouldn't have to pay so much in tax?
Those on benefits are more than likely to put it all back in to the economic system, by purchasing food, clothes etc.Thats ddoing more than those who avoided paying tax done.
I've known many people on benefits and Im yet to know any that are living a luxurious life However , the taxation of companies is not quite so simple . All companies are doing is adhering to the legislation and many are employing thousands of people . Ask them to pay more tax by changing the tax laws and we all may have to pay more for our goods and services . "
The issue is not changing the law but one of adhering to the current law and dare I say having morals in business dealings. I pay my taxes on time without set off or deduction that should apply to all in the tax system. |
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"Ah good old channel 5
the Sun of the TV world lol sensationalist drivel designed to inflame the masses and create social tension.....works though by the sounds of it"
 this in a nutshell. |
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I should have clarified. Estimated £120bn a year lost to the treasury through 'aggressive' tax avoidance. You know pefectly well what I mean: mega-corps funneling all the profits they make in the UK through off-shore subsidiaries so it looks like they made £0 profit for the year. I'm self-employed - Director of a company of one - and as I understnad it *I* paid more tax than Amazon and Starbucks not so long ago.
How aggressively does this government (and their pet media) vilify benefit cheats? But how gently does it treat companies like Google, when we have Osborne hailing something like a 3% tax rate paid after ten years as a success just because it's better than the big fat nothing they paid previously?
Yes - pursue both. But in terms of a return on investment for the effort you put in, cracking down on aggressive tax avoidance will net a far greater haul than stressing over dodgy Dennis who takes cash in hand while claiming disability benefit. Unless you'd end up mildly irritating your donors, I suppose...
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"I should have clarified. Estimated £120bn a year lost to the treasury through 'aggressive' tax avoidance. You know pefectly well what I mean: mega-corps funneling all the profits they make in the UK through off-shore subsidiaries so it looks like they made £0 profit for the year. I'm self-employed - Director of a company of one - and as I understnad it *I* paid more tax than Amazon and Starbucks not so long ago.
How aggressively does this government (and their pet media) vilify benefit cheats? But how gently does it treat companies like Google, when we have Osborne hailing something like a 3% tax rate paid after ten years as a success just because it's better than the big fat nothing they paid previously?
Yes - pursue both. But in terms of a return on investment for the effort you put in, cracking down on aggressive tax avoidance will net a far greater haul than stressing over dodgy Dennis who takes cash in hand while claiming disability benefit. Unless you'd end up mildly irritating your donors, I suppose...
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Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?"
Yes I did. I also know that some people rob banks but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to burglars just cos it's a lesser crime. |
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I'd hate for all these judgey people to ever be put into the position where they have to rely on state benefits...
Maybe then they would know how difficult it actually is to bring up a child on £73 a week ... |
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. Did you know that tax evasion is estimated to be as much as £3bn pounds a year. Perhaps Channel 5 should look at that to?
Yes I did. I also know that some people rob banks but that doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to burglars just cos it's a lesser crime. "
Are you assuming all benefit claimants do so fraudulently? |
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"I'd hate for all these judgey people to ever be put into the position where they have to rely on state benefits...
Maybe then they would know how difficult it actually is to bring up a child on £73 a week ... "
Well said that woman!!
TV programmes that sensationalise these issue are in my view should be aired a 2am in the morning so as to keep prime time viewing available for quality TV |
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By *errygTV/TS
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"Some people know how to play the system.
Sickens me. I see people who what to work struglong to find work and get by and people who don't want to cruising through life cos they have spent their time and effort learning how to milk the welfare state instead of going out to work. "
in a local pub a lot of out of work, alcholics etc manage to stay in the pub all day, if you come out of work there is a man in there who help you fill out your claim, advise you, for a few pints, been told he knows all the loopholes etc, and the 3 pints is money well spent |
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Sadly these kind of programmes are pumped out to make the working populace angry at the non working. Classic divide and rule which diverts public anger towards society's have-nots instead of towards those in the Government.
Austerity is a choice of the government, not a necessity. |
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The difference between benefit underpaid and fraud is a fraction of 1%.
Now imagine all the benefits that people don't know about, or find it too difficult to claim and expect that fraud is much, much less than that. And this includes millions of people claiming in work benefits as well as pensions. It's really insignificant in an economy of our size.
But tax evasion is not insignificant - it's huge. |
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"Sadly these kind of programmes are pumped out to make the working populace angry at the non working. Classic divide and rule which diverts public anger towards society's have-nots instead of towards those in the Government.
Austerity is a choice of the government, not a necessity."
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"I'd hate for all these judgey people to ever be put into the position where they have to rely on state benefits...
Maybe then they would know how difficult it actually is to bring up a child on £73 a week ... "
Who's judging?y post was about how much two of the women were getting. I found the money they said they were getting unreal when I work full time and get less, let alone mortgage/rent paid too.
As many said maybe it was a lie for the tv or a fiddle but I really did believe they got this much and found it hard to believe on 20k a year they were struggling to heat a house or buy simple basics of milk and bread. |
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"I'd hate for all these judgey people to ever be put into the position where they have to rely on state benefits...
Maybe then they would know how difficult it actually is to bring up a child on £73 a week ...
Who's judging?y post was about how much two of the women were getting. I found the money they said they were getting unreal when I work full time and get less, let alone mortgage/rent paid too.
As many said maybe it was a lie for the tv or a fiddle but I really did believe they got this much and found it hard to believe on 20k a year they were struggling to heat a house or buy simple basics of milk and bread. "
Well I think or hope you have had a change of mind after reading through your thread you should have learnt that figures seem to be massaged by the right wing TV program makers to show people existing on benefits in a bad light.
I for one do not watch these types of programs as it infuriates my in the way they spread their propaganda. |
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"I'd hate for all these judgey people to ever be put into the position where they have to rely on state benefits...
Maybe then they would know how difficult it actually is to bring up a child on £73 a week ...
Who's judging?y post was about how much two of the women were getting. I found the money they said they were getting unreal when I work full time and get less, let alone mortgage/rent paid too.
As many said maybe it was a lie for the tv or a fiddle but I really did believe they got this much and found it hard to believe on 20k a year they were struggling to heat a house or buy simple basics of milk and bread. "
But you believed it! |
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