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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans. "
Are you both Bi because you miss sausage so much  |
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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans.
Are you both Bi because you miss sausage so much "
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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans. "
In that case would suggest NOT reading the "As food is a popular subject today" thread  |
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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans. "
Someone a Cure fan by any chance
Remember that song Meat is murder lol |
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If we were not meant to eat meat we would not have been given incisors. Our teeth would be molars for grinding rather than biting.
However you chose to live your life, is up to you. But there is no need to insult we who chose to eat meat |
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"couldnt live without meat, and if anyone has a change to go hunting do it catching your own food and doing all the prep yourself before cooking it you will love it "
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I have always been an "Each to their own" kinda person, I don't really care what anyones else does...Vegetarian, Vegan, Smoker, Drug Taker....
But I do have a problem with people who try to force their own ideals upon me, and that is the big difference....us meat eaters wouldn't dream of forcing our carniverous ideals on Vegans....but they will insist on forcing their ideals upon us.
Good luck to anyone who chooses the Vegan lifestyle....but please don't bother preaching to me or I will feel inclined to bash you with a slow cooked leg of lamb. |
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"I have always been an "Each to their own" kinda person, I don't really care what anyones else does...Vegetarian, Vegan, Smoker, Drug Taker....
But I do have a problem with people who try to force their own ideals upon me, and that is the big difference....us meat eaters wouldn't dream of forcing our carniverous ideals on Vegans....but they will insist on forcing their ideals upon us.
Good luck to anyone who chooses the Vegan lifestyle....but please don't bother preaching to me or I will feel inclined to bash you with a slow cooked leg of lamb."
 only a slowed cooked one ? |
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"I have always been an "Each to their own" kinda person, I don't really care what anyones else does...Vegetarian, Vegan, Smoker, Drug Taker....
But I do have a problem with people who try to force their own ideals upon me, and that is the big difference....us meat eaters wouldn't dream of forcing our carniverous ideals on Vegans....but they will insist on forcing their ideals upon us.
Good luck to anyone who chooses the Vegan lifestyle....but please don't bother preaching to me or I will feel inclined to bash you with a slow cooked leg of lamb.
only a slowed cooked one ?"
Use a frozen one, cook and eat the evidence |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Murder means homicide. Homicide means the killing of one human by another human.
Slaughtering animals legally for food is not murder.
Eating animal flesh is not illegal. Not eating it is choice.
I fully accept your choice, please accept mine because it isn't going to be swayed by anything declared on a forum. |
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I used to work at a supermarket and you would be suprised at the number of people that would say they were veggies but go and choose several bottles of wine without care.... Yes some wine ain't suitable for veggies!
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"I have always been an "Each to their own" kinda person, I don't really care what anyones else does...Vegetarian, Vegan, Smoker, Drug Taker....
But I do have a problem with people who try to force their own ideals upon me, and that is the big difference....us meat eaters wouldn't dream of forcing our carniverous ideals on Vegans....but they will insist on forcing their ideals upon us.
Good luck to anyone who chooses the Vegan lifestyle....but please don't bother preaching to me or I will feel inclined to bash you with a slow cooked leg of lamb.
only a slowed cooked one ?
Use a frozen one, cook and eat the evidence"
between us, partners in crime |
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I think it is very wrong for those who cook for vegetarians not to take care when preparing their food - like using gelatine or chicken stock thats just plain mean. |
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"We are not preaching we are just stating a fact.
This is an open forum is it not?"
It isnt a fact though ... you are stating an opinion - nothing wrong in that at all. |
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"We are not preaching we are just stating a fact.
This is an open forum is it not?"
Of course it is but your opening statement was always going to spark up a heated debate, is that what you were looking for ? |
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"We are not preaching we are just stating a fact.
This is an open forum is it not?"
Is it open never knew that. Means I can talk about any clap trap then  |
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are plants not living things? until they are yanked out the ground, their life supply taken away and then thrown in boiling water? What about all the poor wee bgs and beetles and flys that live on the plants, and their wee eggs? You killing the bugs! |
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I hunt I fish and catch kill and eat. I like meat and fish in my diet. That is my own choice....I'd never tell a vegan to wear plastic shoes and go suck a quorn sausage. |
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"are plants not living things? until they are yanked out the ground, their life supply taken away and then thrown in boiling water? What about all the poor wee bgs and beetles and flys that live on the plants, and their wee eggs? You killing the bugs!"
Have you heard how green beans squeak when you bite into them!! You cant even kill them off by boiling and chopping!!! |
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"We are not preaching we are just stating a fact.
This is an open forum is it not?
Is it open never knew that. Means I can talk about any clap trap then "
Everyone can except you |
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"We are not preaching we are just stating a fact.
This is an open forum is it not?
Is it open never knew that. Means I can talk about any clap trap then
Everyone can except you "
So unfair that is I'm being single out as usual you bullies and cliques lol |
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over a year ago
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Yes its an open forum. But what has this (in any way shape or form) got to do with swinging?
I eat meat. I hunt it, kill it and cook it. I also respect where it has come from.
Personally on a swingers site, I would prefer to talk sex related things though.
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"are plants not living things? until they are yanked out the ground, their life supply taken away and then thrown in boiling water? What about all the poor wee bgs and beetles and flys that live on the plants, and their wee eggs? You killing the bugs!
Have you heard how green beans squeak when you bite into them!! You cant even kill them off by boiling and chopping!!!"
poor wee beans! |
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"We are not preaching we are just stating a fact.
This is an open forum is it not?"
This is an open forum and as such anyone can give their opinions.
I have many friends who are vegetarians and knew one guy who was vegan, to the extent he would only drink certain beers and spirits that he knew had none been made with animal finings.
But not one of them tries to tell me that meat is murder.
I respect their stand on things and they respect mine
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"Yes its an open forum. But what has this (in any way shape or form) got to do with swinging?
I eat meat. I hunt it, kill it and cook it. I also respect where it has come from.
Personally on a swingers site, I would prefer to talk sex related things though.
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We talk about everything except sex on here sometimes lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We are not preaching we are just stating a fact.
This is an open forum is it not?"
Perhaps not using what can be _iewed as a political statement i.e. "meat is murder" might have been better? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Mabye a poor choice of words OP..
I eat meat ...however I try and source the meat according to my _iews on animal welfare ...a degree of freedom to live like a wild thang and slaughtered locally ...and the farms husbandry is without question ...
I fear tho especially in these cash strapped times ....cheap chicken is here to stay ..and a popular choice ..there tis ...it won`t change anytime soon ...
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"Yes its an open forum. But what has this (in any way shape or form) got to do with swinging?
I eat meat. I hunt it, kill it and cook it. I also respect where it has come from.
Personally on a swingers site, I would prefer to talk sex related things though.
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Erm have you looked down the lounge forum - most of the subjects are unrelated to sex - they just deteriorate that way eventually.
Go and start of your favourite subjects and Im sure everyone will contribute regardless. Some might even read your threads!! |
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copied from the forums list
The Lounge: The lounge is for general chat and discussion
Swingers Chat: This is the place to discuss anything and everything about swinging
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"Yes its an open forum. But what has this (in any way shape or form) got to do with swinging?
I eat meat. I hunt it, kill it and cook it. I also respect where it has come from.
Personally on a swingers site, I would prefer to talk sex related things though.
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This is the lounge you can talk about anything you wish. Yesterday, we were holding scintillating conversations about the joys of CBeebies. If you want sex talk, there's swinger's chat for that! |
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"what makes me laugh is when vegitarians feed their dogs a vegitarian diet too urrrr they are canivors I feed my dog on a raw meat diet "
True to an extent..however dogs are not obligate carnivores ..as such ..like the wolf they can adapt to an omniverous diet ...carbs are converted to protein ..
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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans. "
May be a better idea to start a veggie appreciation thread.
But no doubt some gobshite will still turn up spouting on about meat. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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But the animal world needs murder. Is a lion killing a zebra murder?
I would love to hunt what I eat rather than buy it from a shop but thats just not practical nowadays. We are protected from the whole slaughter business, but still, live without chicken?!?!?! Never... |
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"what makes me laugh is when vegitarians feed their dogs a vegitarian diet too urrrr they are canivors I feed my dog on a raw meat diet
True to an extent..however dogs are not obligate carnivores ..as such ..like the wolf they can adapt to an omniverous diet ...carbs are converted to protein ..
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Just googled this and got this part of an artical written about feeding a dog a vegi diet .....Our dogs are closely affiliated genetically to their ancestors, wolves, and they are one of the few true carnivores that exist in the animal planet. Meat makes up a significant portion of their diet and is a hugely important element that is not advisable to be left out totally. Proteins offer by meat are usually too difficult to replace with vegetables and fruits.
While some claims have been made for dogs being able to thrive on diets that consist primarily of tofu that provide plenty of vegetable matter protein. That protein is not high quality enough to be metabolized by your dog. In fact, fresh fruits and vegetables snacks are often recommended for dogs that must lose weight only because these vegetable base snacks add very few calories to your dog's system.
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"what makes me laugh is when vegitarians feed their dogs a vegitarian diet too urrrr they are canivors I feed my dog on a raw meat diet
True to an extent..however dogs are not obligate carnivores ..as such ..like the wolf they can adapt to an omniverous diet ...carbs are converted to protein ..
Just googled this and got this part of an artical written about feeding a dog a vegi diet .....Our dogs are closely affiliated genetically to their ancestors, wolves, and they are one of the few true carnivores that exist in the animal planet. Meat makes up a significant portion of their diet and is a hugely important element that is not advisable to be left out totally. Proteins offer by meat are usually too difficult to replace with vegetables and fruits.
While some claims have been made for dogs being able to thrive on diets that consist primarily of tofu that provide plenty of vegetable matter protein. That protein is not high quality enough to be metabolized by your dog. In fact, fresh fruits and vegetables snacks are often recommended for dogs that must lose weight only because these vegetable base snacks add very few calories to your dog's system.
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Fair enough ....thats an opinion tho ..with some sage advice tho ....regards the diet thays important fer yer dog ...
Its a fact that dogs are not an obligate carnivore ....kinda means ...meat or bust ....if that was so then dogs wouldn`t have the digestive tract and enzymes capable of an omniverous diet ...
They are carnivores ...just not obligate carnivores ...hope it helps .. |
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"My bad! lol
Always go down the pub when I want to discuss other things.
Must remember Swinging site not just for swinging.... "
Well let's solve this you post a topic here in the lounge about swinging and let's see how it goes |
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No disrespect to Vegans or Veggies,but i worked with a vegan and he smelled slightly like a compost heap,it oozed from his pores,wasnt nice at all.Anyway,a tasty nut cutlet(aka a carpetburger) or a big juicy sizzling steak.You decide |
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"what makes me laugh is when vegitarians feed their dogs a vegitarian diet too urrrr they are canivors I feed my dog on a raw meat diet
True to an extent..however dogs are not obligate carnivores ..as such ..like the wolf they can adapt to an omniverous diet ...carbs are converted to protein ..
Just googled this and got this part of an artical written about feeding a dog a vegi diet .....Our dogs are closely affiliated genetically to their ancestors, wolves, and they are one of the few true carnivores that exist in the animal planet. Meat makes up a significant portion of their diet and is a hugely important element that is not advisable to be left out totally. Proteins offer by meat are usually too difficult to replace with vegetables and fruits.
While some claims have been made for dogs being able to thrive on diets that consist primarily of tofu that provide plenty of vegetable matter protein. That protein is not high quality enough to be metabolized by your dog. In fact, fresh fruits and vegetables snacks are often recommended for dogs that must lose weight only because these vegetable base snacks add very few calories to your dog's system.
Fair enough ....thats an opinion tho ..with some sage advice tho ....regards the diet thays important fer yer dog ...
Its a fact that dogs are not an obligate carnivore ....kinda means ...meat or bust ....if that was so then dogs wouldn`t have the digestive tract and enzymes capable of an omniverous diet ...
They are carnivores ...just not obligate carnivores ...hope it helps .."
obligate carnivores ... try saying that when your pissed lol I did a lot of research before starting our dogs on a BARF diet best thing I ever did imo, there is sooooo much on the net for and against feeding raw can get very confusing but Ive never had any problems and so many people say how healthy our dog Max looks when they m,eet him thats all down to what we feed him, he eats better than we do sometimes lol |
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"what makes me laugh is when vegitarians feed their dogs a vegitarian diet too urrrr they are canivors I feed my dog on a raw meat diet
True to an extent..however dogs are not obligate carnivores ..as such ..like the wolf they can adapt to an omniverous diet ...carbs are converted to protein ..
Just googled this and got this part of an artical written about feeding a dog a vegi diet .....Our dogs are closely affiliated genetically to their ancestors, wolves, and they are one of the few true carnivores that exist in the animal planet. Meat makes up a significant portion of their diet and is a hugely important element that is not advisable to be left out totally. Proteins offer by meat are usually too difficult to replace with vegetables and fruits.
While some claims have been made for dogs being able to thrive on diets that consist primarily of tofu that provide plenty of vegetable matter protein. That protein is not high quality enough to be metabolized by your dog. In fact, fresh fruits and vegetables snacks are often recommended for dogs that must lose weight only because these vegetable base snacks add very few calories to your dog's system.
Fair enough ....thats an opinion tho ..with some sage advice tho ....regards the diet thays important fer yer dog ...
Its a fact that dogs are not an obligate carnivore ....kinda means ...meat or bust ....if that was so then dogs wouldn`t have the digestive tract and enzymes capable of an omniverous diet ...
They are carnivores ...just not obligate carnivores ...hope it helps ..
obligate carnivores ... try saying that when your pissed lol I did a lot of research before starting our dogs on a BARF diet best thing I ever did imo, there is sooooo much on the net for and against feeding raw can get very confusing but Ive never had any problems and so many people say how healthy our dog Max looks when they m,eet him thats all down to what we feed him, he eats better than we do sometimes lol "
hahahaha ..its a mouthful alright ...
Good fer you ...yeah ..its really confusing I agree regarding the diet fer a dog..raw meat against proceesed can meat ...99% o fogs are wolfs by descent ....thats a clue ...
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You lot have made me want a bacon sandwich, not had one in ages!
Interesting fact, lots of animals get killed each year by farm machinery harvesting cereal/veg crops!
Also, do vegans taste like chicken?  |
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"thats one woman i can stand, and the way she asks for people's poo she is sick lol "
my dog does white poos, thats the sign of a healthy dog hehe Gillian would be very impreseed lol |
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My friend has been a vegitarian since she was young and has cooked for me in the past a wonderful array of vegetarian food etc. she makes sure she eats pulses and nuts etc to get some of the protein she needs but she has been told by the Dr that there will cme a time when she will NEED to eat meat or at least fish
we are designed to eat meat, our body needs it and you can only deny it for so long |
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"My friend has been a vegitarian since she was young and has cooked for me in the past a wonderful array of vegetarian food etc. she makes sure she eats pulses and nuts etc to get some of the protein she needs but she has been told by the Dr that there will cme a time when she will NEED to eat meat or at least fish
we are designed to eat meat, our body needs it and you can only deny it for so long"
Bet she has a leather suite |
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"My friend has been a vegitarian since she was young and has cooked for me in the past a wonderful array of vegetarian food etc. she makes sure she eats pulses and nuts etc to get some of the protein she needs but she has been told by the Dr that there will cme a time when she will NEED to eat meat or at least fish
we are designed to eat meat, our body needs it and you can only deny it for so long"
i heard that before but wasnt sure if it was true or not i think not eating meat etc can cause chrones( i think thats how its spelt) |
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"My friend has been a vegitarian since she was young and has cooked for me in the past a wonderful array of vegetarian food etc. she makes sure she eats pulses and nuts etc to get some of the protein she needs but she has been told by the Dr that there will cme a time when she will NEED to eat meat or at least fish
we are designed to eat meat, our body needs it and you can only deny it for so long
Bet she has a leather suite "
hahaha..... Wonders if all anti hunting people are all vegies too (thats another topic though lol) |
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"Do vegetarians use condoms for oral
But most popular makes of condoms contain pork gelatin so are unsuitable for vegetarians, or vegans.
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I never knew that |
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"Do vegetarians use condoms for oral
But most popular makes of condoms contain pork gelatin so are unsuitable for vegetarians, or vegans.
I never knew that"
Yeah, Comdomi make condoms suitable for Vegans. I have some, just for the hell of it!!! |
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"Do vegans like spitroasts? 
pmsl !! the inuendoes ( not sure how u spell that lol) are endless in vegetariasum and swinging lol "
Not sure how to spell it either... But I could give you one... |
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If the OP are Vegans, and I turn to cannabalism and eat them, does that make me a Vegantarian?
And apparently the number one cause of vegetarians turning back to meat is the smell of bacon cooking!
I think maybe not in muslim countries though |
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"If the OP are Vegans, and I turn to cannabalism and eat them, does that make me a Vegantarian?
And apparently the number one cause of vegetarians turning back to meat is the smell of bacon cooking!
I think maybe not in muslim countries though "
Lmao you canabalist swinger you |
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I used to have a friend who was vegan. Unfortunately she was feeding her young child a vegan diet. This child was under 2 years old at the time.
My friend was taking her child backwards and forward to the doctors because the child was having stomach problems and not growing properly.
At first I thought this was a good idea because she could get help from the dietician. Until one day she mentioned that she had NOT told the doctor the child was on a vegan diet.
By the time the child was 2 years old she was severly under developed and not hitting any of the developmental targets. The child was constantly listless and miserable.
However my friend would not listen to any of her friends or family.
Eventually the doctors took the child into hospital did some tests and diagnosed severe malnutrition.
My friends child ended up in care for Neglect.
While I say to every adult your choice is your choice. I dont believe children should follow a vegan diet.
Vegetarian diets possibly if it is balanced
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by not eating meat we would be putting ourselves at risk from all sorts of illnesses..i have a B12 deficiency but am not veggie. imagine if i was tho id be sooo week. every time i see a new doc its the first thing they ask me. unless we are living on supplements then our body actually needs meat. each to there own and that but the ones that eat veggie meat are as much as saying they miss it.. |
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"Plenty of meat eaters don't give their children adequate nutrition either. Greggs pasties are neither animal or vegetable
yeah but they is yummy "
Have to agree but they shouldn't really be the staple diet of children... |
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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans. "
....... So ..... Erm you wouldn't put anything sausages like in your mouth then ¿ .
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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans.
That's nice for you. We pride ourselves on this thing called free choice
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Shock horror you mean we have a choice on here lol |
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Can anyone think of an animal that we eat that also eats other animals?
Can only think of fish, if they are classed as animals.
I know pigs will eat anything if it is mashed up, but they aren't meat eaters as such.
So can only come to the conclusion that Vegans are food, as all vege eating animals are prey to other animals. |
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i heard that before but wasnt sure if it was true or not i think not eating meat etc can cause chrones( i think thats how its spelt)"
Crohn's, Nope I have it and it is an autoimmune condition that is [thought to be] genetic, but like asthma most likely triggered/activated by environmental conditions. There was some speculation that it could related to Johne's disease which is similar condition in cows.
Interestingly they have found a cross genetic link with certain type of diabetics, both are where the immune system attacks the body.
What you may be thinking is that people with Crohn's are usually on a low residue diet (low fibre) thus low in veg/fruit as these can cause pain when passing through damaged parts of the gut.
Humans are omnivores and designed to eat some meat, hence why we have a quite long small intestine and not so much for [raw] vegetables, otherwise we'd have more than one stomach to re-process the veg, hence chew the cud saying about cows.
Meat [fish] is high in protein which is highly suspected in helping us develop our large brains, which are very energy hungry.
Anyhow we do eat far to much red meat in the west, typically only a couple of times a week at most.
A friend of mine is a vegetarian but eats fish because "they don't have souls"
A friend of a friend was a strict vegan and wouldn't take some supplements or other medication because it had colourings derived from animals. My opinion is if you get that extreme, might as well top yourself and become food for worms, since just breathing is probably causing something to suffer somewhere! |
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So can only come to the conclusion that Vegans are food, as all vege eating animals are prey to other animals. "
They probably will taste of chicken; the machines didn't know what else to make them taste like |
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I eat very little meat and if i do i make damn sure its from a free range and organic background.
If we are going to eat it, we owe it to the animal to make sure its had a bloody good life and be willing to pay more for good quality.
Not this vac packed cheapo stuff from supermarkets .
Saying that...It wouldnt take a lot to make me completely veggie |
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I think synthetic meat grown in a vat by bacteria will be a possibility in the next 10-20 years. They even have this working in the lab at the moment, that is if you can call a protein mush meat!
I would stop eating "real" meat if that became a reality, although we'd have to say goodbye to most livestock as there would be no reason to keep them around.
Quick question. Why are there vegetarian sausages, burgers, bacon and the like? Surely carrot shaped carrots are fine, or is it some in built instinct for that nice meaty taste? *shrugs*
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I think the "bacon, sausage etc" veggie version was done so people didnt feel alienated ...
You wouldnt know my veggie chilli was just that.....
everyone loves it and asks for the recipe only to find out its soya |
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im with zoe in bolton . Bet ud luv a hollands or wigan pie secretly? As for oral is the pork sword now a no no? But seriously the worlds goin to politicaly correct! We ate killed dinosours thats why were here young boys 15 won ww1 on woodbines? Every one to there own but good wholesome stew never did anyone harm? My opinion only, well my nans 2 x  |
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"so glad I dont eat meat.
God knows what's in it. Ugh.
Mainly grass?"
Water, protein, fat and carbs.
Simples!
So pretty much like Tufo then, although the latter can cause problems for women if eating a lot of it.
btw: I don't care if someone eats meat, fish, veg or paper. Their choice, happy to debate the pros-and-cons so long as nothing is been shoved down each others throat. (man sausage aside ) |
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"If veggies like animals so much.......why do they eat all their food?
Pisser xx"
Bit of philosophical dilemma, if people didn't eat meat then how many billions of animals would never have existed?
I don't think intensive farming of animals is a good thing and should be changed, but that requires less people or people to eat less protein rich foods (meat). Or the cost of humane rearing to come down, but that requires lots more land which is the antithesis of lower costs. |
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"so glad I dont eat meat.
God knows what's in it. Ugh."
You`ve got a point ...Dantes Inferno still in my memory ...BSE et al ...the cause ...other dead animals ...jeez!
Not to mention growth hormones ..antibiotics and other shit ....
I`m careful wid my meat .. |
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"But we dont need to have battery hens ...
We used to rear veal in tiny cages but thats banned now.
So should be buying cheap meat/poultry"
Lots of families cannot afford the luxury of free range and organic meat and poultry though....particularly in this day and age.
Saw a report in the Economist the other week that said that the organic sector in particular is in free fall with the decline in sales, there is a recession on and many people can't afford to be too fussy where their chicken comes from.
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so....if weall becoem vegans what do we do with all the animals?? become ever run with chickens etc so we have to cull them?? if we do that do we just throw their carcass' away - what a waste of a life that is
or do we stop breeding them and there fore make them extinct?? what animal lovers we are |
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What I can't understand is all the research you'd obviously need to do before buying or using absolutely anything to ensure that there hasn't been anything from any animal at any time in the research and development, manufacturing process, the list must be endless. It's just not practical to me at all, although lots of animal testing has now stopped there are still products on the market that came about as a result of that testing. Would a vegan sit on a leather sofa for example, oh - now my heads hurting! Z |
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"Ever got half way through a horse and thought  .......hmm "i wasnt that hungry after all" "
nope i was always taught to fnish my meals - there are starving children in Africa who would be grateful of my half a horse you know!!! |
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"But we dont need to have battery hens ...
We used to rear veal in tiny cages but thats banned now.
So should be buying cheap meat/poultry"
Yeah I agree in an ideal world, but as I pointed out previously as things stand that is impractical with the number of people on the planet and the actual cost of rearing animals in that way.
As China has become more wealthy, (wealthy is a relative term here, a lot of the world is on or around the dollar a day mark) they are eating more meat, as it is a dense source of protein and energy. In a society where strong and healthy means you can get ahead that is important.
Only in really wealthy countries do we have the opportunity to eat humanely reared meat, or become completely veggie. (Supplements or meat simulacra are a "luxury" good). The short of it is food production is on an industrial scale and so has all the problems associated with that. .
A good start would be people eating less (only what they need, not what their bellies want) and thinking about a more equal society (that's the point of taxes btw).
Anyhow I would recommend reading Larry Nivens "Bordered in Black", (N-Space collection) which is a short sci-fi story and not hard sci-fi, but has quite a poignant message that fits this thread quite nicely!
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"But we dont need to have battery hens ...
We used to rear veal in tiny cages but thats banned now.
So should be buying cheap meat/poultry
Yeah I agree in an ideal world, but as I pointed out previously as things stand that is impractical with the number of people on the planet and the actual cost of rearing animals in that way.
As China has become more wealthy, (wealthy is a relative term here, a lot of the world is on or around the dollar a day mark) they are eating more meat, as it is a dense source of protein and energy. In a society where strong and healthy means you can get ahead that is important.
Only in really wealthy countries do we have the opportunity to eat humanely reared meat, or become completely veggie. (Supplements or meat simulacra are a "luxury" good). The short of it is food production is on an industrial scale and so has all the problems associated with that. .
A good start would be people eating less (only what they need, not what their bellies want) and thinking about a more equal society (that's the point of taxes btw).
Anyhow I would recommend reading Larry Nivens "Bordered in Black", (N-Space collection) which is a short sci-fi story and not hard sci-fi, but has quite a poignant message that fits this thread quite nicely!
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Yep ...we`ve industrilased food production ..cash cows in extremis.. |
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Both my grandparents had there own allotments and big gardens.
They used to supply anyone and everyone with fresh veg and fruit.
They also kept there own chickens, re fresh eggs and killed said chicken when needed.
One grandad even had pigs and a goat.
The only thing my nan had to buy was flour and lard and whats she called titbits.
Her weekly shop was very little.
And bloody healthy they as too. |
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Have you heard about those mega dairy farms in the US that are on their way over to the UK this is milk production on a grand scale. Running 24 hours a day, seven days a week, each of the 5,000 in the herd will pass through three times in 24 hours, producing 190,000 litres (41794 gallons) of milk a day. Will fource the smaller dairy farmers here out of buissness |
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"Have you heard about those mega dairy farms in the US that are on their way over to the UK this is milk production on a grand scale. Running 24 hours a day, seven days a week, each of the 5,000 in the herd will pass through three times in 24 hours, producing 190,000 litres (41794 gallons) of milk a day. Will fource the smaller dairy farmers here out of buissness "
PS was just reading that on the BBC news website |
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we had a family dairy farm a few years ago and had to give up the lot as the money just wasnt there to keep the farm running, we even started to travel to markets to try and sell are stuff and to have maybe 3-4 good days a month was amazing on are very bad month we had a total loss of £15,000 and for a family run farm thats alot of money |
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"we had a family dairy farm a few years ago and had to give up the lot as the money just wasnt there to keep the farm running, we even started to travel to markets to try and sell are stuff and to have maybe 3-4 good days a month was amazing on are very bad month we had a total loss of £15,000 and for a family run farm thats alot of money "
It breaks my heart when I here storys like that family run farms like that, that have been in family's for genarations |
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"Too many posts about burgers and sausages I hope you realise meat is murder.
We pride ourselves on being vegans.
Someone a Cure fan by any chance
Remember that song Meat is murder lol"
that was the smiths |
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