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over a year ago
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no...I don't mean Soapy has borrowed my Mr Matey!!!
Lent begins on Wednesday, and this year I have decided on what I am to give up.......you lot 
Yes indeedy...I am really biting the bullet this year....will pop in tomorrow I am sure....but then you won't see me until after Easter  |
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This Lent I won't be smoking, drinking alcohol or shagging women - same as yesterday and the day before and the day before that 
Seriously I will be giving up biscuits and cakes - two of my biggest food vices that are nothing more than indulgences. |
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"We decided as a family we are giving up take aways and fizzy drinks. Kids idea not mine but at least they are getting into the spirit of lent."
Thats lovely - do you teach them the importance of Lent to christians? I think Christmas is too bogged down by commercialism and other traditions that its no longer soley a 'religious' festival so its natural for the spiritual side to get waylaid for some and thats ok too because nobody can knock something that brings a feeling of community through tradition as well as religionas such. But for me Lent and the lead up to Easter is a very spiritual time. |
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"We decided as a family we are giving up take aways and fizzy drinks. Kids idea not mine but at least they are getting into the spirit of lent.
Thats lovely - do you teach them the importance of Lent to christians? I think Christmas is too bogged down by commercialism and other traditions that its no longer soley a 'religious' festival so its natural for the spiritual side to get waylaid for some and thats ok too because nobody can knock something that brings a feeling of community through tradition as well as religionas such. But for me Lent and the lead up to Easter is a very spiritual time."
They go to a friday club at the local church where they have been learning about it.
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over a year ago
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"I'm giving up cock ya right lol
I am well I've a bad back so there's bugger all I can do"
Theres loads more you can do - have you thought about macrame? |
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I have always been a bit bemused by Easter.. I remember church preaching that it was all important.. so why does the day move..
But for me its just another pagan festival that has been pinched.. the amusing thing is that most of us end up celebrating it as the festival it was before Christianity..
As a festival of spring and fertility... hence all the rabbits and eggs..
I will give up moaning about religion me thinks.
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i would love to give up the chocolate but there is no way the world would be able to cope with me, so as a compromise i am giving up chocolate bars, sweets and bicuits.. but still drink it, and eat chocolate cake and sauces lol...
as i adore chocolate and a serious chocolate addict i think just giving up the chocolate sweets and bars is going to be hard enough. when i have managed this i will then give up the cake (i dont really eat much cake but it is to be my fall back and hopefully take the edge off the cravings) and sauces
i'm shaking now just thinking about it... right i'm off for a hot chocolate |
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"i would love to give up the chocolate but there is no way the world would be able to cope with me, so as a compromise i am giving up chocolate bars, sweets and bicuits.. but still drink it, and eat chocolate cake and sauces lol...
as i adore chocolate and a serious chocolate addict i think just giving up the chocolate sweets and bars is going to be hard enough. when i have managed this i will then give up the cake (i dont really eat much cake but it is to be my fall back and hopefully take the edge off the cravings) and sauces
i'm shaking now just thinking about it... right i'm off for a hot chocolate"
Just give something up you won't miss |
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"i would love to give up the chocolate but there is no way the world would be able to cope with me, so as a compromise i am giving up chocolate bars, sweets and bicuits.. but still drink it, and eat chocolate cake and sauces lol...
as i adore chocolate and a serious chocolate addict i think just giving up the chocolate sweets and bars is going to be hard enough. when i have managed this i will then give up the cake (i dont really eat much cake but it is to be my fall back and hopefully take the edge off the cravings) and sauces
i'm shaking now just thinking about it... right i'm off for a hot chocolateJust give something up you won't miss "
i'm going to give it ago but if i only manage a week i will be happy with that. i eat far too much of the stuff so this is my way of trying to get control back lol..
wow thinking back, yesturday i only had a twirl and a few oreos, thats it i'm going to do it |
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give something up you won't miss "
Please excuse me for seemingly singling your comment out as its similar to a lot of other light hearted ones, but it did make me want to say something.
It seems to me after reading some opinions on this thread that a lot of people don't even know why they're supposed to give something up during lent or the symbolism of it. If you're not a practicing christian why would Lent have any meaning to inspire non-believers to fast? Its not supposed to be done because 'everyone is doing it' You're supposed to be doing it to empathise with Christ in the wilderness for forty days and nights.
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give something up you won't miss
Please excuse me for seemingly singling your comment out as its similar to a lot of other light hearted ones, but it did make me want to say something.
It seems to me after reading some opinions on this thread that a lot of people don't even know why they're supposed to give something up during lent or the symbolism of it. If you're not a practicing christian why would Lent have any meaning to inspire non-believers to fast? Its not supposed to be done because 'everyone is doing it' You're supposed to be doing it to empathise with Christ in the wilderness for forty days and nights.
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Im not a christian, the reason i give up something for lent is the same reason i periodically give something up through out the year. It makes me feel good to be able to go without something i generally take for granted, also i appreciate it much more when i introduce it back. Before christmas i gave up television for 6 weeks |
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give something up you won't miss
Please excuse me for seemingly singling your comment out as its similar to a lot of other light hearted ones, but it did make me want to say something.
It seems to me after reading some opinions on this thread that a lot of people don't even know why they're supposed to give something up during lent or the symbolism of it. If you're not a practicing christian why would Lent have any meaning to inspire non-believers to fast? Its not supposed to be done because 'everyone is doing it' You're supposed to be doing it to empathise with Christ in the wilderness for forty days and nights.
Im not a christian, the reason i give up something for lent is the same reason i periodically give something up through out the year. It makes me feel good to be able to go without something i generally take for granted, also i appreciate it much more when i introduce it back. Before christmas i gave up television for 6 weeks"
But this is a thread about giving things up for Lent itself. Lent is specifically a christian practice. Not a thread about periods of self derpivation throughout the year, two of which you carry out at Lent and christmas for your own personal reasons. That would make a very interesting thread in itself though about why you and others do this. I also have a bit of a deprivation and reward scheme to get me through boring tasks. You know if I paint the hall all morning without procrastinating then as a reward I can do something I love doing more. |
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i totally agree with Jecherchedeux , I go to church on a regular basis but just because I believe does not give me or anyone else the right to shove my religion down their throats . . . and to those of you who are still giving up something and don't beleive I admire you . . . i don't actually give anything up I just try to be a bit nicer and understanding xx |
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"i totally agree with Jecherchedeux , I go to church on a regular basis but just because I believe does not give me or anyone else the right to shove my religion down their throats . . . and to those of you who are still giving up something and don't beleive I admire you . . . i don't actually give anything up I just try to be a bit nicer and understanding xx "
I don't throw my religion down anyones throat, but I do have an uneasy feeling when people say they 'dont believe' but fully partake in christian festivals while they are going on yet for the rest of the year 'dismiss' religion (any religion). As the christian church welcomes believers AND non-believers or agnostics without judgement to embrace the spirituality of the occasion I just hope non believing visitors come because they want to join in the community of it all (or just listen to the music or watch the plays) and don't feel they have to believe to be a part of this socialising. Any gathering that makes people feel happy and have a good time can't be a bad thing.
Specific religious festivals and their meanings can only be fully enjoyed and understood by those who practise the religion though, as well as being appreciated and respected by those who don't. Same as I respect them. |
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give something up you won't miss
Please excuse me for seemingly singling your comment out as its similar to a lot of other light hearted ones, but it did make me want to say something.
It seems to me after reading some opinions on this thread that a lot of people don't even know why they're supposed to give something up during lent or the symbolism of it. If you're not a practicing christian why would Lent have any meaning to inspire non-believers to fast? Its not supposed to be done because 'everyone is doing it' You're supposed to be doing it to empathise with Christ in the wilderness for forty days and nights.
Im not a christian, the reason i give up something for lent is the same reason i periodically give something up through out the year. It makes me feel good to be able to go without something i generally take for granted, also i appreciate it much more when i introduce it back. Before christmas i gave up television for 6 weeks
But this is a thread about giving things up for Lent itself. Lent is specifically a christian practice. Not a thread about periods of self derpivation throughout the year, two of which you carry out at Lent and christmas for your own personal reasons. That would make a very interesting thread in itself though about why you and others do this. I also have a bit of a deprivation and reward scheme to get me through boring tasks. You know if I paint the hall all morning without procrastinating then as a reward I can do something I love doing more. "
So because im a non believer i cant do things to coincide with Lent? When i lived in Leicester i used to do things to coincide with dwali and ramadam as well. How many people celebrate christmas that are not religious or of a different faith. |
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i wonder how many of those people who celebrate Christmas or Easter actually know why they are celebrating it , do they do so just to get a nice big bag of presents, both festivals have become overmarketed and commercialised with the true meaning being lost, example people constantly say Happy Easter on Good Friday which is still in lent ! |
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So because im a non believer i cant do things to coincide with Lent? When i lived in Leicester i used to do things to coincide with dwali and ramadam as well. How many people celebrate christmas that are not religious or of a different faith."
As far as I am concerned I am not telling you as a non believer what to do at all. I'm telling nobody what they can and can't do.
As a person you can do things that you want to do at any time of the year as far as I am concerned. Its non of my business what you do in your life.
You repsonded to my general post about the meaning of Lent, on a more personal level citing the examples of things you do re deprivation of certain things at certain periods in your life. You yourself say you give things up that coincide around the time of religious festivals if thats a coincidence so what?
What I did say is this thread was about giving things up FOR Lent - as in the purposes of the meaning of what the period of Lent is and only is - a christian festival. I give things up for and in rememberance of christ during Lent - as other practising christians do. I commented others seem to be giving things up because they see others doing it and raised the point that a lot of people dont know the true meaning of Lent so I was wondering why they choose to participate in depriving themselves if they are non-believers. Why join in something you don't believe in?
You, Diamond, do things for self deprivation that coincide with various religious festivals it seems - but not for the cause. Fair play. Its a different subject.
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"i wonder how many of those people who celebrate Christmas or Easter actually know why they are celebrating it , do they do so just to get a nice big bag of presents, both festivals have become overmarketed and commercialised with the true meaning being lost, example people constantly say Happy Easter on Good Friday which is still in lent ! "
My grandma was very religious, on the church council for 60 years, my mum was a sunday school teacher. I grew up going to church services with my grandma and tea with the vicar. My first books where all childrens bible stories, our own little hymn books. It was never drummed down our throats though it was just part of us growning up.
My father was a staunch catholic, tried to drum it down our throats, up until i was about 12 i actually thought it was illegal to have meat in the house on a friday. I was never christened coming from a mixed religion household, my son wasnt christened as i thought it was being a hypocrit as i didnt believe, i always said to him, he could be whatever religion he chose to be as long as he had done all the ground work and understood it in detail.
I now go out with a non practicing jew |
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"i wonder how many of those people who celebrate Christmas or Easter actually know why they are celebrating it , do they do so just to get a nice big bag of presents, both festivals have become overmarketed and commercialised with the true meaning being lost, example people constantly say Happy Easter on Good Friday which is still in lent !
My grandma was very religious, on the church council for 60 years, my mum was a sunday school teacher. I grew up going to church services with my grandma and tea with the vicar. My first books where all childrens bible stories, our own little hymn books. It was never drummed down our throats though it was just part of us growning up.
My father was a staunch catholic, tried to drum it down our throats, up until i was about 12 i actually thought it was illegal to have meat in the house on a friday. I was never christened coming from a mixed religion household, my son wasnt christened as i thought it was being a hypocrit as i didnt believe, i always said to him, he could be whatever religion he chose to be as long as he had done all the ground work and understood it in detail.
I now go out with a non practicing jew"
So you know the meaning of Lent which is the only thing I raised a point about. |
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"i wonder how many of those people who celebrate Christmas or Easter actually know why they are celebrating it , do they do so just to get a nice big bag of presents, both festivals have become overmarketed and commercialised with the true meaning being lost, example people constantly say Happy Easter on Good Friday which is still in lent ! "
My point exactly. |
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"Personally i have met far to many religous people that are religous when it suits them. These are usually the ones that try and ram it down peoples throats."
Yes, me too annoying isn't it? Plus I know of millions of non-believers who use religious festivals as a reason for huge piss ups and the chance to get a day off work. |
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whilst i have to make time up at work just because i want to go to church tomorrow as its the start of Lent . . .hmmm wonder if every one would like to work Good Friday instead of being in the pub !!!
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"Personally i have met far to many religous people that are religous when it suits them. These are usually the ones that try and ram it down peoples throats.
Yes, me too annoying isn't it? Plus I know of millions of non-believers who use religious festivals as a reason for huge piss ups and the chance to get a day off work. "
True. But then i havent seen them coming on here spouting of about what people can or cant do with their lives |
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no one is spouting about what people can or can't do with their lives, it is after all up to the individual, just that everything gets taken from one extreme to the other. Also why do people celebrate something that they have no understanding or concept of, do the majority of people know why or what happens during lent and over the Easter vigil ??? |
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"Personally i have met far to many religous people that are religous when it suits them. These are usually the ones that try and ram it down peoples throats.
Yes, me too annoying isn't it? Plus I know of millions of non-believers who use religious festivals as a reason for huge piss ups and the chance to get a day off work.
True. But then i havent seen them coming on here spouting of about what people can or cant do with their lives "
Hah! We mustn't read the same threads then its absolutely rife on these forums. I just have a religion I know what my religions festivals entail I don't tell anyone what they can or can't do. I give an viewpoint same as everyone else no matter what religion colour or creed I am. Nothing I have had to say is telling anyone to go to church. Nor did I tell anyone not to join in Lent if they want to. Just asking why they feel they need to join in with something that is soley a christian practice, blindly if they don't believe in its purpose.
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"no one is spouting about what people can or can't do with their lives, it is after all up to the individual, just that everything gets taken from one extreme to the other. Also why do people celebrate something that they have no understanding or concept of, do the majority of people know why or what happens during lent and over the Easter vigil ??? "
I have a full understanding of Easter as i do every christian celbration. I dont know about most people but then i havent done a survey lately. But then again i havent done a full survey of how many supposedly religious people follow their choosen religion in every decision and act they do throughout their lives either. Quite frankly i couldnt give a shit either way. I do want i want because i want to not for any other motive. |
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"no one is spouting about what people can or can't do with their lives, it is after all up to the individual, just that everything gets taken from one extreme to the other. Also why do people celebrate something that they have no understanding or concept of, do the majority of people know why or what happens during lent and over the Easter vigil ???
I have a full understanding of Easter as i do every christian celbration. I dont know about most people but then i havent done a survey lately. But then again i havent done a full survey of how many supposedly religious people follow their choosen religion in every decision and act they do throughout their lives either. Quite frankly i couldnt give a shit either way. I do want i want because i want to not for any other motive."
I only asked how many people giving things up 'for' lent knew the meaning of lent - you have said you do thats as far as my curiousity went. It will be nice to hear some of the others viewpoints who said they were giving things up in previous threads as this reiteration must be boring for all reading now to know only yours and my viewpoint. |
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"no one is spouting about what people can or can't do with their lives, it is after all up to the individual, just that everything gets taken from one extreme to the other. Also why do people celebrate something that they have no understanding or concept of, do the majority of people know why or what happens during lent and over the Easter vigil ???
I have a full understanding of Easter as i do every christian celbration. I dont know about most people but then i havent done a survey lately. But then again i havent done a full survey of how many supposedly religious people follow their choosen religion in every decision and act they do throughout their lives either. Quite frankly i couldnt give a shit either way. I do want i want because i want to not for any other motive.
I only asked how many people giving things up 'for' lent knew the meaning of lent - you have said you do thats as far as my curiousity went. It will be nice to hear some of the others viewpoints who said they were giving things up in previous threads as this reiteration must be boring for all reading now to know only yours and my viewpoint."
They can be bored all they like doesnt stop me posting and i wasnt even answering you, there is more than just you on this thread you know |
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my mum's a catholic but I don't practise any religion but I do have pancakes on shrove tuesday.
why?..when i was a kid me mum made 'em and I like pancakes..nostalgia maybe?
as for having days off for religious bank holidays i don't really have a choice. I just use it as an excuse for taking the grandson out somewhere.
but for people who do observe religious traditions..good for you. honestly.
..have to say tho in 47 years I've never had anyone try to force Religion down my throat..or Atheism come to that |
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I recognise, as I continue posting a viewpoint, too, that re-iteration, while not a crime, is nonetheless boring so with that in mind and in no way believing I am the only one who can expand a debate would like to make another point which sort of borders on what tra says about doing things via tradition, because of upbringing.
I think Easter can be viewed as more spiritual to christians than christmas as christmas is leaning towards a more traditional winter festivity incorporating pagan and make believe practices like santa and baubles, mistletoe etc. Which is fine as its again another coming together of community. I can't think of any other religion that has had one of its festivals turned into a more worldwide non religious festival that is encompassed by all as much as christmas is. I wonder why christian festivals are more readily hijacked by non believers than other religious festivals. Any thoughts? |
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Well i always thought you had a santa claus cause it was the anniversary of saint nickolas's death. You have a christmas tree and decorations because norway presented queen victoria with a tree and the tradition started then. In some countries the children get left their presents on the doorstep around the middle of december and not the 25th |
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not sure which way it is but coca cola had a great influence on father christmas or santa ( whichever ) which only goes to show as to the commercialism involved, and strange that we give gifts not because of him but because of the gifts which were given when Jesus was born . . .te relevance of christmas is in the word itself. . . .
think i may give up work for lent its a pain in the backside anyway and so much more fun reading the comments on here |
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"not sure which way it is but coca cola had a great influence on father christmas or santa ( whichever ) which only goes to show as to the commercialism involved, and strange that we give gifts not because of him but because of the gifts which were given when Jesus was born . . .te relevance of christmas is in the word itself. . . .
think i may give up work for lent its a pain in the backside anyway and so much more fun reading the comments on here "
You get presents because of saint nickolas. Why would you say that people used to get a brand new penny in their stockings and you get silver and gold coins, i think somewhere the two traditions got mixed up |
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"so nothing to do with the real reason as to why christmas actually happens then , just jolly old st.nick being remembered and nothing else !!!! "
Not at all, where was that said?? But the giving of coins is to do with saint nickolas |
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All of the traditions of the festive period make it what it is and I think its now less religious than it was because of this. Wonder if now is the time to stop calling it Christmas universally in favour of it being say Yultide or would this would be a step too far? Christians would still celebrate religiously whatever it was called. I was just wondering if any religious festivals in other religions have evolved in the same way to become what they are today, in the same way as christmas has. |
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"so nothing to do with the real reason as to why christmas actually happens then , just jolly old st.nick being remembered and nothing else !!!! "
St Nicholas' Day is December 6th |
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"mixing up of traditions ? "
Saint nickolas is a big tradition in some countries celebrated in december. In some countries the children recieve their gifts mid december and not on the 25th of december. But in England its not celebrated |
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"so nothing to do with the real reason as to why christmas actually happens then , just jolly old st.nick being remembered and nothing else !!!!
St Nicholas' Day is December 6th"
and thats when the children get their presents, they may just get one on christmas day. Its only celebrated for children and not adults |
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The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
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"The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
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Did they hijack it cos it was already a bank holiday? |
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The giving of gifts was also established by the Romans around 200 years before Jesus was believed to have been born, this was a festival known as Saturnalia in celebration of the god Saturn.
It lasted a full week from December 17th to December 24th when the Winter Solstice began.
During this week presents were exchanged, slaves were free for this period from servitude. |
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"The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
Did they hijack it cos it was already a bank holiday?"
Yes....and they went to the seaside |
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I just remember my daughter coming home from school in tears one Easter.......poor baby Jesus, he was only born at Christmas and now they have killed him. |
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"And why do they say his birthday is the 25th of december anyway, when in fact there is no evidence to back this up only against it"
stock answer on here
because they can......does it matter to a non believer either way..if christians want to celebrate the birth of their saviour,good,that's their choice.doesn't rally matter what day it is |
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"Everyone needs a birthday....if not how would his friends known when to buy Jesus a cake?"
 How silly of me. So we now have two reasons for him to have a birthday. So that the christians can take over other peoples festive dates and to bake him a cake |
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If they had thought about it they could have made it the day before Good Friday...then a longer holiday weekend would have been possible.
But no...they had to go and make it in the middle of winter |
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"The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
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So with that in mind Christmas being taken away from the christian meaning by pagan traditions and traditional customs now is just a 'taking back' of something Christians adopted anyway all of those years ago. I think all things have a beginning and it was decided by scholars of the day.
I don't see anything scholarly about the hijacking of a long established christian festival by some d*unken louts yelling merry christmas for a month leading up to the big day or the consumerism its been taken over by, so I personally would like to see the birth of christ celebrated at another time of year if it were at all possible. But then would it feel the same for those who are not quite religious enough to worship but like the idea of the whole package of christmas religious and non religious? |
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"The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
So with that in mind Christmas being taken away from the christian meaning by pagan traditions and traditional customs now is just a 'taking back' of something Christians adopted anyway all of those years ago. I think all things have a beginning and it was decided by scholars of the day.
I don't see anything scholarly about the hijacking of a long established christian festival by some d*unken louts yelling merry christmas for a month leading up to the big day or the consumerism its been taken over by, so I personally would like to see the birth of christ celebrated at another time of year if it were at all possible. But then would it feel the same for those who are not quite religious enough to worship but like the idea of the whole package of christmas religious and non religious?"
How about January 17th for you?.....not a lot going on then. |
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"The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
So with that in mind Christmas being taken away from the christian meaning by pagan traditions and traditional customs now is just a 'taking back' of something Christians adopted anyway all of those years ago. I think all things have a beginning and it was decided by scholars of the day.
I don't see anything scholarly about the hijacking of a long established christian festival by some d*unken louts yelling merry christmas for a month leading up to the big day or the consumerism its been taken over by, so I personally would like to see the birth of christ celebrated at another time of year if it were at all possible. But then would it feel the same for those who are not quite religious enough to worship but like the idea of the whole package of christmas religious and non religious?
How about January 17th for you?.....not a lot going on then."
Smack bang in the middle of the January sales though jane. Wouldnt matter to me what bloody day they settled on at least they would stop whinging that everyone had hijacked there day. |
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"The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
So with that in mind Christmas being taken away from the christian meaning by pagan traditions and traditional customs now is just a 'taking back' of something Christians adopted anyway all of those years ago. I think all things have a beginning and it was decided by scholars of the day.
I don't see anything scholarly about the hijacking of a long established christian festival by some d*unken louts yelling merry christmas for a month leading up to the big day or the consumerism its been taken over by, so I personally would like to see the birth of christ celebrated at another time of year if it were at all possible. But then would it feel the same for those who are not quite religious enough to worship but like the idea of the whole package of christmas religious and non religious?
How about January 17th for you?.....not a lot going on then."
nah too close to that other religious festival - getting the year ends submitted. Known as the wrath of St. Chancellor.
Actually its rather fitting that Joseph and Mary were returning to their birthplace for the census then too........ its all fitting in rather nicely.... |
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"The Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice long before Christ was believed to have been born, they called this celebration Bruma and it was held on the 25th and 26th of December.
It was later hijacked by Christian scholars as the birth date of Jesus as they had little idea exactly when he was meant to have been born.
So with that in mind Christmas being taken away from the christian meaning by pagan traditions and traditional customs now is just a 'taking back' of something Christians adopted anyway all of those years ago. I think all things have a beginning and it was decided by scholars of the day.
I don't see anything scholarly about the hijacking of a long established christian festival by some d*unken louts yelling merry christmas for a month leading up to the big day or the consumerism its been taken over by, so I personally would like to see the birth of christ celebrated at another time of year if it were at all possible. But then would it feel the same for those who are not quite religious enough to worship but like the idea of the whole package of christmas religious and non religious?
How about January 17th for you?.....not a lot going on then.
nah too close to that other religious festival - getting the year ends submitted. Known as the wrath of St. Chancellor.
Actually its rather fitting that Joseph and Mary were returning to their birthplace for the census then too........ its all fitting in rather nicely...."
Bloody hell are they going to expect me to return my census riding a donkey into town then |
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That's settled it then....January 17th.
Now I only have to work out the birth date of the Prophet Muhammad and I will have solved the problems of all religious conflict in the world.
Oh before anyone pulls me up on it....Buddah was born on August 7th.
Do you think the church (all churches) should declare me a saint?
Saint Jane of Devonia....got a certain ring to it? |
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nah too close to that other religious festival - getting the year ends submitted. Known as the wrath of St. Chancellor.
Actually its rather fitting that Joseph and Mary were returning to their birthplace for the census then too........ its all fitting in rather nicely....
Bloody hell are they going to expect me to return my census riding a donkey into town then "
In these days of t'internet? If they had it way back then, I am sure they wouldn't have needed the wise men to spread the word either - the shepherds would have just emailled ahead.....not before it had been assumed on a forum first though  |
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nah too close to that other religious festival - getting the year ends submitted. Known as the wrath of St. Chancellor.
Actually its rather fitting that Joseph and Mary were returning to their birthplace for the census then too........ its all fitting in rather nicely....
Bloody hell are they going to expect me to return my census riding a donkey into town then
In these days of t'internet? If they had it way back then, I am sure they wouldn't have needed the wise men to spread the word either - the shepherds would have just emailled ahead.....not before it had been assumed on a forum first though "
Good job it was back then, wouldnt find three wise men nowadays |
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My son and i have a bet on for this week; he has given up alcohol (got a pool match and football so thats going to be difficult), and i have given up coffee (as i drink 15 if not more coffees per day)
Day 2 and all was well until one of my work colleagues pointed out that Earl Grey I have been drinking instead, has caffeine in it, even though its half what coffee has, i was so bloody disappointed  least though i wont get the headache |
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