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"This is really starting to get on my tits now... Yesterday GMP were forced to apologise because in an exercise to test for preparedness of a Daesh attack in the UK the actor/policemen shouted Allie Snackbar before throwing stun grenades. WTF was he supposed to say in a training exercise that was supposed to be realistic?? "Nice to see you, to see you nice?" Today Eamon Holmes has been forced to apologise for comparing the scenes of mounted police charging the West Ham crowd with scenes at Hillsborough. No doubt later today/tomorrow we will be getting apologies for The Queen for her remarks about rude Chinese Diplomats and from Cameron for his remarks about Afghanistan and Nigeria. People get offended... So what!" Exactly what I thought when I saw the news last night. There's a lot of people that get offended very easily  | |||
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"What does "allie snackbar"?" Tasty food at reasonable prices. | |||
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"What does "allie snackbar"? Tasty food at reasonable prices. " Oops I forgot to include "mean". I was thinking it couldn't possibly just be a bit of Islamophobic intolerance, as that'd be absurdly childish. | |||
"If you don't get it then you don't get it... Most folk are in your shoes where they lack the ability to put themselves in the shoes of the oppressed, it's easy for people to say "what's the big deal" if they've never experienced racism or discrimination, the thing is that alot of folk favor the religious preference of being a Muslim and here you have an event funded by taxpayers money whereby institutional racism and prejudice is perpetuated, people are sheeple...if you tell people something enough times then they will believe it even if it's not exactly true, there is an agenda to villify Muslims in this day and age as was the case with Jews in the time of Hitler.... " Have to disagree. Security exercises need to be as realistic as possible and those of us who have undertaken military exercises in the past will know that the exercise has to be as realistic as possible and to mimick the actual threat. Daesh murderers have a very specific modus operandus and that is what was presented. | |||
"Holmes is an idiot. After twenty seven years fighting for justice for the hillsborough families and finally winning to hear this prick comparing some hooligans to what happened on that day is astonishing. He is a massive Man U fan, he hates Liverpool and their supporters, he was sore that his team lost to the little West Ham and he was trying to insinuate that the hillsborough disaster was caused by hooligans. What an absolute cunt. (By the way I'm not offended) " u meant to say fat cunt! | |||
"What does "allie snackbar"?" I did not want to say Allah Akbar for fear of offending someone and being forced to apologise  | |||
"What does "allie snackbar"? I did not want to say Allah Akbar for fear of offending someone and being forced to apologise "You've misspelled it, perhaps your lack of education may cause more offence than your typed words. | |||
"I agree with some of that..with exception to the Hillsborough statement..too right Eammon eat all the pies Holmes should have apologised..for the past 26 years the families have been fighting prejudice like this..and it still goes on!! Those scenes, last night, were caused by d*unken yobs out of control, Hillsborough was not!!! As a LFC supporter these sort of comments make my blood boil!!" The reference was about the Police horse charging the crowd. We have seen many times the scenes of the Police horses at Hillsborough and so the scenes last night were reminiscent of the bad old days of football. | |||
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"What does "allie snackbar"? I did not want to say Allah Akbar for fear of offending someone and being forced to apologise "Brilliant. | |||
"What does "allie snackbar"? I did not want to say Allah Akbar for fear of offending someone and being forced to apologise
You've misspelled it, perhaps your lack of education may cause more offence than your typed words. "Oh dear.... Here come the personal insults. Report button... Or not???? | |||
"Holmes is an idiot. After twenty seven years fighting for justice for the hillsborough families and finally winning to hear this prick comparing some hooligans to what happened on that day is astonishing. He is a massive Man U fan, he hates Liverpool and their supporters, he was sore that his team lost to the little West Ham and he was trying to insinuate that the hillsborough disaster was caused by hooligans. What an absolute cunt. (By the way I'm not offended) " Indeed, his apology is more of a grovel because his comments were wholly inappropriate. I dint see the link to the other example, assuming that this is a 'PC gone mad' rant | |||
"What does "allie snackbar"? Tasty food at reasonable prices. " I wouldn't eat there as I've heard their food leads to a blowout in the toilet afterwards | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. " Like what?.... Security exercises have to be realistic so that an actual real life event would be recognised. | |||
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"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. Like what?.... Security exercises have to be realistic so that an actual real life event would be recognised. " Yes. They're really realistic. What with all those people with no injuries lying on the floor pretending to be hurt. And that shopping centre with no damage. And the 'terrorist' who is conspicuously whole. They are testing the reaction and response of the emergency services. The emergency services are not present at the moment the fake 'bomb' is detonated. A loud "BANG" would enable people to head off on their pre-scripted actions. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. Like what?.... Security exercises have to be realistic so that an actual real life event would be recognised. " Perhaps even something ETA, NPA, UDA or IRA related. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. " Please explain how this is racist? Who's race had been offended by the 'Allah' remark? | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. "  | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. "Again, explain how this is institutional racism? | |||
 "If you don't get it then you don't get it... Most folk are in your shoes where they lack the ability to put themselves in the shoes of the oppressed, it's easy for people to say "what's the big deal" if they've never experienced racism or discrimination, the thing is that alot of folk favor the religious preference of being a Muslim and here you have an event funded by taxpayers money whereby institutional racism and prejudice is perpetuated, people are sheeple...if you tell people something enough times then they will believe it even if it's not exactly true, there is an agenda to villify Muslims in this day and age as was the case with Jews in the time of Hitler.... Have to disagree. Security exercises need to be as realistic as possible and those of us who have undertaken military exercises in the past will know that the exercise has to be as realistic as possible and to mimick the actual threat. Daesh murderers have a very specific modus operandus and that is what was presented." | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. Please explain how this is racist? Who's race had been offended by the 'Allah' remark?" The race of professional offence takers. They're a dimwitted race, prolific on Fab. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to.
Again, explain how this is institutional racism?"Are you bothered by the institutional or racism bit? It's institutional cos of the police choosing to script it into training, and it's disparaging against Islam. I'd say institutional Islamophobia, instead. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to.
Again, explain how this is institutional racism?"Perhaps institutionalised religious bigotry would be a preferably phrase. The difficulty is that many people in the UK (and other white, western parts of the world) believe things like... - All those from the middle east are Muslim - All Muslims are extremist - Therefore all people from the middle east are extremist So in the case of institutionalised religious bigotry against Islam it does cross over into racism due to ignorance. People are being judged based on their accent and their racial heritage due to a few extremists within a very large religious group. The problem is complicated. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. Like what?.... Security exercises have to be realistic so that an actual real life event would be recognised. Yes. They're really realistic. What with all those people with no injuries lying on the floor pretending to be hurt. And that shopping centre with no damage. And the 'terrorist' who is conspicuously whole. They are testing the reaction and response of the emergency services. The emergency services are not present at the moment the fake 'bomb' is detonated. A loud "BANG" would enable people to head off on their pre-scripted actions." You are quite right... They should use convicts with life sentences and blow a few arms and legs off... That way the responders will get an idea of the true horror and we get value for money from the convicts...  | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. Please explain how this is racist? Who's race had been offended by the 'Allah' remark?" Is that not obvious? | |||
"Fair point,but I'm just stating why I think people might be offended...if I were a Muslim I imagine I might be uncomfortable with the whole thing as it sets people in the mindset that everyone who's not milk bottle white is a terrorist and subject to discrimination which is an unpleasant situation for them however you look at it, would you pay money to be abused and have your ethnicity or religion undermined and if someone said something offensive to you would you not voice your discontent? If you don't get it then you don't get it... Most folk are in your shoes where they lack the ability to put themselves in the shoes of the oppressed, it's easy for people to say "what's the big deal" if they've never experienced racism or discrimination, the thing is that alot of folk favor the religious preference of being a Muslim and here you have an event funded by taxpayers money whereby institutional racism and prejudice is perpetuated, people are sheeple...if you tell people something enough times then they will believe it even if it's not exactly true, there is an agenda to villify Muslims in this day and age as was the case with Jews in the time of Hitler....
Have to disagree. Security exercises need to be as realistic as possible and those of us who have undertaken military exercises in the past will know that the exercise has to be as realistic as possible and to mimick the actual threat. Daesh murderers have a very specific modus operandus and that is what was presented."Daesh attacks have a pattern and that pattern is known to the security services. It is absolutely and fundamentally good practice to mimick the threat as accurately as possible. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to.
Again, explain how this is institutional racism?
Perhaps institutionalised religious bigotry would be a preferably phrase.
The difficulty is that many people in the UK (and other white, western parts of the world) believe things like...
- All those from the middle east are Muslim
- All Muslims are extremist
- Therefore all people from the middle east are extremist
So in the case of institutionalised religious bigotry against Islam it does cross over into racism due to ignorance. People are being judged based on their accent and their racial heritage due to a few extremists within a very large religious group.
The problem is complicated."It is complicated, but I am pretty sure that vast majority (if not all) right thinking people know the difference between a quarter of the worlds population who follow Islam and a tiny bunch of murderers who interpret Islan for their own twisted agenda. | |||
" Daesh attacks have a pattern and that pattern is known to the security services. It is absolutely and fundamentally good practice to mimick the threat as accurately as possible. " Agreed. It is not racism ( the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.) because it is not suggesting that all Muslims would say that phrase and then detonate a bomb. It is a very specific threat, with a specific modus operandi, and in that specific situation, it is realistic. The training must be realistic to gain the most benefit. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to.
Again, explain how this is institutional racism?
Perhaps institutionalised religious bigotry would be a preferably phrase.
The difficulty is that many people in the UK (and other white, western parts of the world) believe things like...
- All those from the middle east are Muslim
- All Muslims are extremist
- Therefore all people from the middle east are extremist
So in the case of institutionalised religious bigotry against Islam it does cross over into racism due to ignorance. People are being judged based on their accent and their racial heritage due to a few extremists within a very large religious group.
The problem is complicated.
It is complicated, but I am pretty sure that vast majority (if not all) right thinking people know the difference between a quarter of the worlds population who follow Islam and a tiny bunch of murderers who interpret Islan for their own twisted agenda."It's more than you think, I suspect. Britain First have over a million 'likes' on Facebook. Their latest post reads: "***LONDON HAS FALLEN*** London is now a foreign city. Islamist Sadiq Khan takes control." | |||
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"This is really starting to get on my tits now... Yesterday GMP were forced to apologise because in an exercise to test for preparedness of a Daesh attack in the UK the actor/policemen shouted Allie Snackbar before throwing stun grenades. WTF was he supposed to say in a training exercise that was supposed to be realistic?? "Nice to see you, to see you nice?" Today Eamon Holmes has been forced to apologise for comparing the scenes of mounted police charging the West Ham crowd with scenes at Hillsborough. No doubt later today/tomorrow we will be getting apologies for The Queen for her remarks about rude Chinese Diplomats and from Cameron for his remarks about Afghanistan and Nigeria. People get offended... So what! Exactly what I thought when I saw the news last night. There's a lot of people that get offended very easily "What gets me is who exactly is offended? Probably no-one till some dick head reporter writes a story telling us we should be offended??? And we all know the moral values of a lot of the press | |||
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"I never understand why people use political correctness as if it's a bad thing. Why would anyone want the opposite? Although having said that, it does always seem like these people think "I can say what I want about you and be rude, but you can't say similar about me". " Couldn't agree more. | |||
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"I agree with some of that..with exception to the Hillsborough statement..too right Eammon eat all the pies Holmes should have apologised..for the past 26 years the families have been fighting prejudice like this..and it still goes on!! Those scenes, last night, were caused by d*unken yobs out of control, Hillsborough was not!!! As a LFC supporter these sort of comments make my blood boil!! The reference was about the Police horse charging the crowd. We have seen many times the scenes of the Police horses at Hillsborough and so the scenes last night were reminiscent of the bad old days of football. " No think Mr Polk is more accurate, there have been more recent times that police horses have been deployed so several other examples could have been used by Holmes.. he isn't a stupid person and knew that making such an association given the recent inquest's could only be offensive.. if he didn't think about it then he should maybe take a break from his highly stressful job, but i agree as i said with Mr Polk and Holmes should have apologised.. its not 'pc nonsense' to apologise when you've been crass and offensive its the right thing to do.. linking it to an agenda is nonsense.. | |||
"I never understand why people use political correctness as if it's a bad thing. Why would anyone want the opposite? Although having said that, it does always seem like these people think "I can say what I want about you and be rude, but you can't say similar about me". " Aha. "Political Correctness Gone Mad" = "Lots of people are taking something seriously that I personally find ridiculous" | |||
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"Idealistic talk is all very well, when you don't have to face the enemy, and the battle is far far away... Seemingly..... Whether we like it or not, our way of life is under attack and, at the moment it's an islamic threat. That's not to say all islamic peoples. We are not at war with Islam. But at war with a threat that is Islam linked. Why can't we be honest about that instead of the politically correct, pussy footing that spouts out everytime someone is "offended " Yes I agree that in the past the Western nations haven't been particularly clever in the realm of world affairs, but we are in the here and now, and we gave to live it. Our security forces, both police and military put their lives on the line to keep the rest of us safe. Back off and give them support ffs. " Spot on. Back in the day when I was in the service it was the IRA that was the biggest threat so when we trained all the "actors" that where used was Irish. They work to cover the biggest treat to us at the time. | |||
"Idealistic talk is all very well, when you don't have to face the enemy, and the battle is far far away... Seemingly..... Whether we like it or not, our way of life is under attack and, at the moment it's an islamic threat. That's not to say all islamic peoples. We are not at war with Islam. But at war with a threat that is Islam linked. Why can't we be honest about that instead of the politically correct, pussy footing that spouts out everytime someone is "offended " Yes I agree that in the past the Western nations haven't been particularly clever in the realm of world affairs, but we are in the here and now, and we gave to live it. Our security forces, both police and military put their lives on the line to keep the rest of us safe. Back off and give them support ffs. Spot on. Back in the day when I was in the service it was the IRA that was the biggest threat so when we trained all the "actors" that where used was Irish. They work to cover the biggest treat to us at the time. " Exactly, training has to be realistic as possible, unfortunately those that complain don't statistically have to face it..... But when the horror happens, then it's thank god for those well trained racists emergency and security services! (sarcasm. Sorry) | |||
" Daesh attacks have a pattern and that pattern is known to the security services. It is absolutely and fundamentally good practice to mimick the threat as accurately as possible. Agreed. It is not racism ( the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.) because it is not suggesting that all Muslims would say that phrase and then detonate a bomb. It is a very specific threat, with a specific modus operandi, and in that specific situation, it is realistic. The training must be realistic to gain the most benefit. "
Unfortunately, there are people who feel the need to be offended...if not for themselves then on behalf of others (who usually have better sense and aren't in the least concerned).
The training was for a specific set of attacks, the MO of which is very well known and obvious to everyone. | |||
"Holmes is an idiot. After twenty seven years fighting for justice for the hillsborough families and finally winning to hear this prick comparing some hooligans to what happened on that day is astonishing. He is a massive Man U fan, he hates Liverpool and their supporters, he was sore that his team lost to the little West Ham and he was trying to insinuate that the hillsborough disaster was caused by hooligans. What an absolute cunt. (By the way I'm not offended) " | |||
"This is really starting to get on my tits now... Yesterday GMP were forced to apologise because in an exercise to test for preparedness of a Daesh attack in the UK the actor/policemen shouted Allie Snackbar before throwing stun grenades. WTF was he supposed to say in a training exercise that was supposed to be realistic?? "Nice to see you, to see you nice?" Today Eamon Holmes has been forced to apologise for comparing the scenes of mounted police charging the West Ham crowd with scenes at Hillsborough. No doubt later today/tomorrow we will be getting apologies for The Queen for her remarks about rude Chinese Diplomats and from Cameron for his remarks about Afghanistan and Nigeria. People get offended... So what!" so you're outraged at people being outraged? tad ironic that | |||
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"so what exactly is it then OP? what did you actually want to come out with this? maybe the GMP did a piss poor job off portraying their terrorists in the simulation? are you unhappy that maybe the portrayals were not as realistic as you wanted them to be? Perhaps they should have got a big group off asian or middle eastern men and women to dress up and play the role properly eh go full 9 yards you know dress up in a balaclava some dark clothes, ak47/machete and suicide vest and maybe have a blood thirsty look in their eyes? after all you want the real effect now eh brought from a bunch off people who really know how to act like real animals with no humanity left in them eh? and really put that real life simulation effect into these eh?" I think your being a little over the top with the OP, that wasn't her complaint. All the Op was pointing out was the ridiculous "offended " attitude that plagues this country of ours at this time. Your comments seem to suggest denial of an islamic linked threat by you? If I'm wrong, I apologise to you now. | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to.
Again, explain how this is institutional racism?
Perhaps institutionalised religious bigotry would be a preferably phrase.
The difficulty is that many people in the UK (and other white, western parts of the world) believe things like...
- All those from the middle east are Muslim
- All Muslims are extremist
- Therefore all people from the middle east are extremist
So in the case of institutionalised religious bigotry against Islam it does cross over into racism due to ignorance. People are being judged based on their accent and their racial heritage due to a few extremists within a very large religious group.
The problem is complicated.
It is complicated, but I am pretty sure that vast majority (if not all) right thinking people know the difference between a quarter of the worlds population who follow Islam and a tiny bunch of murderers who interpret Islan for their own twisted agenda.
It's more than you think, I suspect.
Britain First have over a million 'likes' on Facebook. Their latest post reads:
"***LONDON HAS FALLEN***
London is now a foreign city. Islamist Sadiq Khan takes control."" | |||
" I think your being a little over the top with the OP, that wasn't her complaint. All the Op was pointing out was the ridiculous "offended " attitude that plagues this country of ours at this time. Your comments seem to suggest denial of an islamic linked threat by you? If I'm wrong, I apologise to you now. " And when exactly have I ever denied there is a threat especially from groups like ISIS etc? I hear and deal with this kind off stuff If the police or government want to run their little exercises/simulations whatever by all means knock yourselves out go all the way.. If they choose to see or view me like some kind off wild animal that needs to be put down then fine just don't expect me to be all pally or chummy in return.. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. " The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that  | |||
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" I think your being a little over the top with the OP, that wasn't her complaint. All the Op was pointing out was the ridiculous "offended " attitude that plagues this country of ours at this time. Your comments seem to suggest denial of an islamic linked threat by you? If I'm wrong, I apologise to you now. And when exactly have I ever denied there is a threat especially from groups like ISIS etc? I hear and deal with this kind off stuff If the police or government want to run their little exercises/simulations whatever by all means knock yourselves out go all the way.. If they choose to see or view me like some kind off wild animal that needs to be put down then fine just don't expect me to be all pally or chummy in return.." I can't possibly know what it's like from your perspective. I'm not convinced though that they view you as animal's to be put down, that may be the views of some bigots, I'm just sad you feel like that. | |||
" I think your being a little over the top with the OP, that wasn't her complaint. All the Op was pointing out was the ridiculous "offended " attitude that plagues this country of ours at this time. Your comments seem to suggest denial of an islamic linked threat by you? If I'm wrong, I apologise to you now. And when exactly have I ever denied there is a threat especially from groups like ISIS etc? I hear and deal with this kind off stuff If the police or government want to run their little exercises/simulations whatever by all means knock yourselves out go all the way.. If they choose to see or view me like some kind off wild animal that needs to be put down then fine just don't expect me to be all pally or chummy in return.." And I bet you would be the first one to jump up and down when something happened and the police didn't know how to react because there can't train in case someone got a little pissed off over a few words that where used. | |||
" I can't possibly know what it's like from your perspective. I'm not convinced though that they view you as animal's to be put down, that may be the views of some bigots, I'm just sad you feel like that. " I can't help how I feel sometimes, I'll explain more to you via PM if you wish? when I get angry and I mean really angry then I do come across like that, I personally have worked along side the police on many occasions and still continue to do so in my own capacity through work... | |||
" I can't possibly know what it's like from your perspective. I'm not convinced though that they view you as animal's to be put down, that may be the views of some bigots, I'm just sad you feel like that. I can't help how I feel sometimes, I'll explain more to you via PM if you wish? when I get angry and I mean really angry then I do come across like that, I personally have worked along side the police on many occasions and still continue to do so in my own capacity through work..." Fair enough I get that. Problem with messaging like this forum is that sometimes, things get lost in translation and perspective. | |||
" And I bet you would be the first one to jump up and down when something happened and the police didn't know how to react because there can't train in case someone got a little pissed off over a few words that where used." can't say I disagree with that, I guess for some muslims though they just end up getting pissed off and isolated more and more on a daily basis when they are exposed to negativity it ends up making them less trusting or open to others... all I can say is that it's just a very....very messed up situation. | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU" That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic?? | |||
" I think your being a little over the top with the OP, that wasn't her complaint. All the Op was pointing out was the ridiculous "offended " attitude that plagues this country of ours at this time. Your comments seem to suggest denial of an islamic linked threat by you? If I'm wrong, I apologise to you now. And when exactly have I ever denied there is a threat especially from groups like ISIS etc? I hear and deal with this kind off stuff If the police or government want to run their little exercises/simulations whatever by all means knock yourselves out go all the way.. If they choose to see or view me like some kind off wild animal that needs to be put down then fine just don't expect me to be all pally or chummy in return.. And I bet you would be the first one to jump up and down when something happened and the police didn't know how to react because there can't train in case someone got a little pissed off over a few words that where used." How come pacifying a terrorist shouting "Allahu Akbar" is so much different to pacifying a terrorist not shouting "Allahu Akbar"? Are the response units unable to identify a terrorist attack if the phrase is not used? | |||
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" Fair enough I get that. Problem with messaging like this forum is that sometimes, things get lost in translation and perspective." you will have to PM me first tbh as I can't pm with the whole sex being blocked thing? I'll explain to you more in depth and then leave it at that... | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic??" . To you, not me | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic??. To you, not me" Maybe explain it to me in that case, surely there's no point in communicating something just for yourself. That's what thinking is for. | |||
" And I bet you would be the first one to jump up and down when something happened and the police didn't know how to react because there can't train in case someone got a little pissed off over a few words that where used. can't say I disagree with that, I guess for some muslims though they just end up getting pissed off and isolated more and more on a daily basis when they are exposed to negativity it ends up making them less trusting or open to others... all I can say is that it's just a very....very messed up situation." Oh I agree it's very messed up, some as it was when it was the IRA that we had to worry about, but we have to train to the biggest threat facing us at the time as I have said before. In my time it was the IRA how it's ISIS who know what it will be tomorrow and yes I do feel for you but as far as training go's it has to be a real as possible or there is not point in doing it. | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic??" Yep, I can't get the connection either?? | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic??. To you, not me Maybe explain it to me in that case, surely there's no point in communicating something just for yourself. That's what thinking is for. " . . Let's face facts. . Were diametrically opposed on some subjects!, you'll say something then I'll say something then you'll say I'm racist then I'll say your a regressive and then we'll get called in for dinner!. . There i've saved us both the waste of time | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic?? Yep, I can't get the connection either?? " . Some will, some won't!.... It's like looking at those double pictures, some see an old woman, some see a naked woman | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic??. To you, not me Maybe explain it to me in that case, surely there's no point in communicating something just for yourself. That's what thinking is for. . . Let's face facts. . Were diametrically opposed on some subjects!, you'll say something then I'll say something then you'll say I'm racist then I'll say your a regressive and then we'll get called in for dinner!. . There i've saved us both the waste of time "It's good to see open debate is alive n well. | |||
" It's good to see open debate is alive n well. ". Voilà | |||
"It's alright for you lot sat there laughing...... There's people out there being repressed, being institutionalised with bullshit lies and there intending to drag society backwards, there targeting Muslims at the moment but we all know who's next.. Gay people, transgender, Jews... They dislike everybody who doesn't fit in with their beliefs of what the world should look like, they meet up in clandestine without interference from some because well.. There brown . . https://youtu.be/bV710c1dgpU That video seems somewhat unrelated to the topic?? Yep, I can't get the connection either?? . Some will, some won't!.... It's like looking at those double pictures, some see an old woman, some see a naked woman" Where there a naked woman, where, where | |||
"I agree with some of that..with exception to the Hillsborough statement..too right Eammon eat all the pies Holmes should have apologised..for the past 26 years the families have been fighting prejudice like this..and it still goes on!! Those scenes, last night, were caused by d*unken yobs out of control, Hillsborough was not!!! As a LFC supporter these sort of comments make my blood boil!! The reference was about the Police horse charging the crowd. We have seen many times the scenes of the Police horses at Hillsborough and so the scenes last night were reminiscent of the bad old days of football. " Except the horses at Hillsborough weren't charging anyone ! So not hooliganism but incompetent policing and ineffectual emergency response by the Ambulance service. Just a minor detail you might appreciate | |||
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"I think in general the PC'ness has to be tolerated. Because yes there may be cases where someone had been made to apologise for doing something trivial. But you just have to look at the Britain First Facebook page - and they hate "unwashed left wing PC luvvies". Because they feel that it's their right to be able to say that Jeremy Corbyn is a paedophile, or that Sadiq Khan should be hung. And that this is how the general public would speak if it weren't for the " PC brigade ". Anyway. To sum up, I really hate Britain First. " . If you treat everyone like children, don't be surprised if they all break out into school yard squabbles!. | |||
" And that this is how the general public would speak if it weren't for the " PC brigade ". " That's a pretty low opinion of the general public... Are you saying that if it wasn't for a few people with superior morals there would be no civility to others different from ourselves? There was me thinking that I was an easy going person that gets on well with most people but no, it down to people telling me how to behave... | |||
" And that this is how the general public would speak if it weren't for the " PC brigade ". That's a pretty low opinion of the general public... Are you saying that if it wasn't for a few people with superior morals there would be no civility to others different from ourselves? There was me thinking that I was an easy going person that gets on well with most people but no, it down to people telling me how to behave... "No that's not how I feel. That's how most of Britain First feel, that it's only natural to be so islamaphobic. But yeah, I agree it's mental. They blame literally everyone for Britain's problems. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that "We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech. I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism. | |||
" And that this is how the general public would speak if it weren't for the " PC brigade ". That's a pretty low opinion of the general public... Are you saying that if it wasn't for a few people with superior morals there would be no civility to others different from ourselves? There was me thinking that I was an easy going person that gets on well with most people but no, it down to people telling me how to behave...
No that's not how I feel. That's how most of Britain First feel, that it's only natural to be so islamaphobic.
But yeah, I agree it's mental. They blame literally everyone for Britain's problems. "Sorry I misunderstood... 
I have no time Britain First or anyone like them at either end of the extremes... | |||
" And that this is how the general public would speak if it weren't for the " PC brigade ". That's a pretty low opinion of the general public... Are you saying that if it wasn't for a few people with superior morals there would be no civility to others different from ourselves? There was me thinking that I was an easy going person that gets on well with most people but no, it down to people telling me how to behave...
No that's not how I feel. That's how most of Britain First feel, that it's only natural to be so islamaphobic.
But yeah, I agree it's mental. They blame literally everyone for Britain's problems.
Sorry I misunderstood...
I have no time Britain First or anyone like them at either end of the extremes..."Then we are kin! My friend and I photoshopped Paul Golding's face onto a bag of potatoes and handed out printed t-shirts at a UAF demo. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism. ". When they practise fire drills, they set the fire alarm off, the alarm has a specific noise not like others, this alarm is meant to automatically instill what you should expect from hearing it!. If you hear Allah Akbar being shouted followed by a loud bang, you should be able to guess which religious crazies it is... And seen as right now in history, there the only crazies wandering around causing a regular credible threat and therefore should be who there practising for!. I dunno, I guess if the Jehovah's witnesses get their act together and start with the terror campaign we could practise for them to | |||
" I guess if the Jehovah's witnesses get their act together and start with the terror campaign we could practise for them to" Mate, I agree, the most likely threat at the moment is from radical Islam, and the most realistic scenario is preceded by that phrase. Where we differ is the cost/benefit analysis of alienating a whole UK community. Personally I think it's worth taking a small hit on realism in order to keep communication channels open. You don't , but we are splitting hairs really. We both agree our responders need proper drilling, and that in certain circumstances very realistic scenarios are justified. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism. "I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way? | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism. .
When they practise fire drills, they set the fire alarm off, the alarm has a specific noise not like others, this alarm is meant to automatically instill what you should expect from hearing it!.
If you hear Allah Akbar being shouted followed by a loud bang, you should be able to guess which religious crazies it is... And seen as right now in history, there the only crazies wandering around causing a regular credible threat and therefore should be who there practising for!.
I dunno, I guess if the Jehovah's witnesses get their act together and start with the terror campaign we could practise for them to"For what it's worth, my hobby brings me into contact with a fair amount of people who roleplay professionally. That includes some people who run medical simulations, and some people who run UN response simulations for humanitarian disasters as well as terrorist attacks. They all condemned the news this morning. They all suggested that there was no need to potentially alienate so many people (not just Muslims, but those who fight against institutionalised bigotry of many forms) in the name of "realism". They all suggested that any benefit was far outweighed by cost. So that's the view of a load of professionals in the field. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?"Come on now you are not exactly known for being restrained. What was the word you used to describe some people who differed with your opinion yesterday? | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?
Come on now you are not exactly known for being restrained. What was the word you used to describe some people who differed with your opinion yesterday? "I wouldn't dream of calling an entire group of people "deluded fuckwits" based on something important to their being. But please do find what I called people with a different option to me. I may not be restrained, but I attack the argument rather than just random people that I don't like. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?
Come on now you are not exactly known for being restrained. What was the word you used to describe some people who differed with your opinion yesterday?
I wouldn't dream of calling an entire group of people "deluded fuckwits" based on something important to their being.
But please do find what I called people with a different option to me.
I may not be restrained, but I attack the argument rather than just random people that I don't like."It was a double C bomb and it got removed along with the thread being closed. A couple of fellow poster quoted you on it too. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?
Come on now you are not exactly known for being restrained. What was the word you used to describe some people who differed with your opinion yesterday?
I wouldn't dream of calling an entire group of people "deluded fuckwits" based on something important to their being.
But please do find what I called people with a different option to me.
I may not be restrained, but I attack the argument rather than just random people that I don't like.
It was a double C bomb and it got removed along with the thread being closed. A couple of fellow poster quoted you on it too. "Oh yeah. I called people cunts when they send unsolicited messages to others on here to tell them they're ugly. I hardly think that's unjustified. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?
Come on now you are not exactly known for being restrained. What was the word you used to describe some people who differed with your opinion yesterday?
I wouldn't dream of calling an entire group of people "deluded fuckwits" based on something important to their being.
But please do find what I called people with a different option to me.
I may not be restrained, but I attack the argument rather than just random people that I don't like.
It was a double C bomb and it got removed along with the thread being closed. A couple of fellow poster quoted you on it too.
Oh yeah. I called people cunts when they send unsolicited messages to others on here to tell them they're ugly.
I hardly think that's unjustified."Wasn't quite that context. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?
Come on now you are not exactly known for being restrained. What was the word you used to describe some people who differed with your opinion yesterday?
I wouldn't dream of calling an entire group of people "deluded fuckwits" based on something important to their being.
But please do find what I called people with a different option to me.
I may not be restrained, but I attack the argument rather than just random people that I don't like.
It was a double C bomb and it got removed along with the thread being closed. A couple of fellow poster quoted you on it too.
Oh yeah. I called people cunts when they send unsolicited messages to others on here to tell them they're ugly.
I hardly think that's unjustified.
Wasn't quite that context. "Then you misunderstood the context I'm afraid. Or I did it somewhere else that I don't remember. I have a pretty good memory though. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?
Come on now you are not exactly known for being restrained. What was the word you used to describe some people who differed with your opinion yesterday?
I wouldn't dream of calling an entire group of people "deluded fuckwits" based on something important to their being.
But please do find what I called people with a different option to me.
I may not be restrained, but I attack the argument rather than just random people that I don't like.
It was a double C bomb and it got removed along with the thread being closed. A couple of fellow poster quoted you on it too.
Oh yeah. I called people cunts when they send unsolicited messages to others on here to tell them they're ugly.
I hardly think that's unjustified.
Wasn't quite that context.
Then you misunderstood the context I'm afraid. Or I did it somewhere else that I don't remember. I have a pretty good memory though."Nope but hey it's gone now. I just remember thinking it was a little out of the norm. Anyway will stop derailing the thread now. | |||
" Oh yeah. I called people cunts when they send unsolicited messages to others on here to tell them they're ugly. I hardly think that's unjustified." It is against forum rules though | |||
"People get offended... So what!" If I offend someone I apologise. I lose nothing by doing so, and they feel better. | |||
"What does "allie snackbar"? I did not want to say Allah Akbar for fear of offending someone and being forced to apologise
You've misspelled it, perhaps your lack of education may cause more offence than your typed words.
Oh dear.... Here come the personal insults. Report button... Or not????"Indeed! You got to it before me! Why do some posters have to be so personal with their insults?? Besides, should it not be ???? ???? (No offence meant)  | |||
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"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism.
I don't think it's very nice to refer to people like myself as "deluded fuckwits". Have you considered trying to express yourself in a more mature and considered way?"Yep. Considered it, and rejected it. Completely. The world would be a far finer place if all the inadequate men (and they are mainly men) who choose to gain and wield power over others through religion all dropped dead tomorrow. And I have little more time for those who submit to their oppression. Deluded fuckwit is an accurate expression of my opinion. | |||
"Bear with me on this, don't know the details of the situation. I can understand the use of that phrase in a high pressure simulation. If you are training armed response officers how to collate information and make the best decision whether or not to pull the trigger, I think it's valid. If it was part of a wider training exercise that involved normal police presence and the usual response, including partner services, then it only serves to reinforce the racism in our Police force. Just my opinion. The first persons on the scene are very seldom the armed response, more often than not there will be members of the public, other agencies and the 'normal' police presence there before them. They will be de-briefed and questioned about what they saw and heard. this will assist the specialist teams with their threat assessment and work out who they are dealing with. In any event - realistic training for any type of attack is vital. Throwing the racist card into it is just cheap as well as inaccurate. So no, I won't bear with you on that
We'll agree to disagree then, the joy of free speech.
I don't see how simulating a completely realistic attack by radical religious extremists (of any fuckwit religion, and they are all deluded fuckwits in my book, including Christians ) assists to prepare civilians and other agencies though. Might as well make it a generic attack scenario. Having the attackers shout 'flying spaghetti monster' and see what info the witnesses pass on is nearly as valid, and avoids cutting off future Intel from a whole pissed off community because the agencies are seen as not tackling racism. .
When they practise fire drills, they set the fire alarm off, the alarm has a specific noise not like others, this alarm is meant to automatically instill what you should expect from hearing it!.
If you hear Allah Akbar being shouted followed by a loud bang, you should be able to guess which religious crazies it is... And seen as right now in history, there the only crazies wandering around causing a regular credible threat and therefore should be who there practising for!.
I dunno, I guess if the Jehovah's witnesses get their act together and start with the terror campaign we could practise for them to
For what it's worth, my hobby brings me into contact with a fair amount of people who roleplay professionally. That includes some people who run medical simulations, and some people who run UN response simulations for humanitarian disasters as well as terrorist attacks.
They all condemned the news this morning. They all suggested that there was no need to potentially alienate so many people (not just Muslims, but those who fight against institutionalised bigotry of many forms) in the name of "realism". They all suggested that any benefit was far outweighed by cost.
So that's the view of a load of professionals in the field.". People who fight institutionalised bigotry often end up institutionalised themselves!. It's like one flew over the cuckoos nest where the half crazy rule over the totally crazy!. If you go to India, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan... Even Saudi Arabia, they all practise for these events and they never send in the sally army singing Jesus wants you for a Sunday... And even if they did, I'm pretty sure nobody would get offended | |||
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"I'm from Northern Ireland. Back in the day I lived in England and I used to get people, strangers, say to me "go home and bomb your own people" or the hilarious "thick paddy" comments. But mostly, it was terrorism based. Sometimes it was really scary the amount of vitriol aimed at me. Purely because of an accent. I accept that ISIS and Islamic extremists are a threat (though apparently NI is in the news again...) but I really do not see how shouting Allah Akbar (sp?) is an integral part of training. If they need to hear that in order to appreciate the scale of whatever atrocity is happening, then they clearly need a helluva lot more training. It was unnecessary. And yes, it is ALWAYS those who have faced no discrimination that shout about 'the pc brigade.'" . I've got one parent from Donegal and one parent from Enniskillen!. I think the discrimination I've faced and that of my parents has helped define my anti pc views. | |||
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"Ironically your offended at people getting offended just saying"QED. And that should have been that... | |||
"Ironically your offended at people getting offended just saying
QED.
And that should have been that..."Correct - people who are easily offended should be offended more often, imo | |||
"Ironically your offended at people getting offended just saying
QED.
And that should have been that...
Correct - people who are easily offended should be offended more often, imo
"It's politcal correctness gone mad, I tells ya! | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to.
Again, explain how this is institutional racism?
Perhaps institutionalised religious bigotry would be a preferably phrase.
The difficulty is that many people in the UK (and other white, western parts of the world) believe things like...
- All those from the middle east are Muslim
- All Muslims are extremist
- Therefore all people from the middle east are extremist
So in the case of institutionalised religious bigotry against Islam it does cross over into racism due to ignorance. People are being judged based on their accent and their racial heritage due to a few extremists within a very large religious group.
The problem is complicated."No it isn't. It is neither racist nor religious bigotry. It people mimicking what most of the modern terrorists shout before murdering innocent people. | |||
"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. " They replicated the words said by the murdering scum shortly before they detonate their bombs and kill numbers of innocent people. There is NOTHING religious in what the murdering scum are doing. Those who genuinely fear and want to stop the terrorists achieving their aims will (I think) be a tad more understanding than those who 'feel' they should be upset. Institutional racism my arse | |||
"so what exactly is it then OP? what did you actually want to come out with this? maybe the GMP did a piss poor job off portraying their terrorists in the simulation? are you unhappy that maybe the portrayals were not as realistic as you wanted them to be? Perhaps they should have got a big group off asian or middle eastern men and women to dress up and play the role properly eh go full 9 yards you know dress up in a balaclava some dark clothes, ak47/machete and suicide vest and maybe have a blood thirsty look in their eyes? after all you want the real effect now eh brought from a bunch off people who really know how to act like real animals with no humanity left in them eh? and really put that real life simulation effect into these eh?" They could have done it in Moss side or Ordsall Lane instead of the Trafford Centre.The realism would have been for free a few years ago. | |||
"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. " The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism. | |||
"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism. " | |||
"Ironically your offended at people getting offended just saying
QED.
And that should have been that...
Correct - people who are easily offended should be offended more often, imo
It's politcal correctness gone mad, I tells ya!"Madness gone politically correct, perhaps? | |||
"This is really starting to get on my tits now... Yesterday GMP were forced to apologise because in an exercise to test for preparedness of a Daesh attack in the UK the actor/policemen shouted Allie Snackbar before throwing stun grenades. WTF was he supposed to say in a training exercise that was supposed to be realistic?? "Nice to see you, to see you nice?" Today Eamon Holmes has been forced to apologise for comparing the scenes of mounted police charging the West Ham crowd with scenes at Hillsborough. No doubt later today/tomorrow we will be getting apologies for The Queen for her remarks about rude Chinese Diplomats and from Cameron for his remarks about Afghanistan and Nigeria. People get offended... So what!" | |||
"This is really starting to get on my tits now... Yesterday GMP were forced to apologise because in an exercise to test for preparedness of a Daesh attack in the UK the actor/policemen shouted Allie Snackbar before throwing stun grenades. WTF was he supposed to say in a training exercise that was supposed to be realistic?? "Nice to see you, to see you nice?" Today Eamon Holmes has been forced to apologise for comparing the scenes of mounted police charging the West Ham crowd with scenes at Hillsborough. No doubt later today/tomorrow we will be getting apologies for The Queen for her remarks about rude Chinese Diplomats and from Cameron for his remarks about Afghanistan and Nigeria. People get offended... So what! "Sorry, no | |||
"It's politcal correctness gone mad, I tells ya! Madness gone politically correct, perhaps? " Trust you | |||
"This is really starting to get on my tits now... Yesterday GMP were forced to apologise because in an exercise to test for preparedness of a Daesh attack in the UK the actor/policemen shouted Allie Snackbar before throwing stun grenades. WTF was he supposed to say in a training exercise that was supposed to be realistic?? "Nice to see you, to see you nice?" Today Eamon Holmes has been forced to apologise for comparing the scenes of mounted police charging the West Ham crowd with scenes at Hillsborough. No doubt later today/tomorrow we will be getting apologies for The Queen for her remarks about rude Chinese Diplomats and from Cameron for his remarks about Afghanistan and Nigeria. People get offended... So what!
Sorry, no"Heh? | |||
"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism. "There were no terrorists involved in the scenario. And two wrongs don't make a right. The 'well they do it' defence is asinine at best. | |||
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"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism.
There were no terrorists involved in the scenario. And two wrongs don't make a right.
The 'well they do it' defence is asinine at best."o OK lets put it this way. Taking the lords name in vain and blasphemy all revolves around getting upset on the Lord's behalf, because he is not around to defend himself on a daily basis. So imagine you are God. Would you be more upset by somebody firing an RPG into a refugee camp using your name, or a policeman playing a role of a terrorist using your name so that people can train to save lives? Which would you find more offensive? | |||
"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism.
There were no terrorists involved in the scenario. And two wrongs don't make a right.
The 'well they do it' defence is asinine at best.
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OK lets put it this way. Taking the lords name in vain and blasphemy all revolves around getting upset on the Lord's behalf, because he is not around to defend himself on a daily basis. So imagine you are God. Would you be more upset by somebody firing an RPG into a refugee camp using your name, or a policeman playing a role of a terrorist using your name so that people can train to save lives? Which would you find more offensive? "Wow.... What a great perspective. If you thought that up yourself you need a medal for literary genius | |||
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"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism.
There were no terrorists involved in the scenario. And two wrongs don't make a right.
The 'well they do it' defence is asinine at best.
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OK lets put it this way. Taking the lords name in vain and blasphemy all revolves around getting upset on the Lord's behalf, because he is not around to defend himself on a daily basis. So imagine you are God. Would you be more upset by somebody firing an RPG into a refugee camp using your name, or a policeman playing a role of a terrorist using your name so that people can train to save lives? Which would you find more offensive? "You are failing spectacularly to see the point. This is NOT about terrorism. It's about sensitivity and tolerance of others. No one has the right to tell others what they can or cannot be offended by. If someone is offended by this they are offended. Simple. But what some are choosing to do on this thread is reduce it down to justify their intolerance of Muslims. Any fucking excuse for prejudice will do. This will be another 'reason ' they can cite for what is wrong with Muslims. It is sickening. So some can continue to argue all they like. It merely lays bare that prejudice for all to see. | |||
"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism.
There were no terrorists involved in the scenario. And two wrongs don't make a right.
The 'well they do it' defence is asinine at best.
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OK lets put it this way. Taking the lords name in vain and blasphemy all revolves around getting upset on the Lord's behalf, because he is not around to defend himself on a daily basis. So imagine you are God. Would you be more upset by somebody firing an RPG into a refugee camp using your name, or a policeman playing a role of a terrorist using your name so that people can train to save lives? Which would you find more offensive?
You are failing spectacularly to see the point. This is NOT about terrorism. It's about sensitivity and tolerance of others.
No one has the right to tell others what they can or cannot be offended by. If someone is offended by this they are offended. Simple.
But what some are choosing to do on this thread is reduce it down to justify their intolerance of Muslims.
Any fucking excuse for prejudice will do. This will be another 'reason ' they can cite for what is wrong with Muslims.
It is sickening.
So some can continue to argue all they like. It merely lays bare that prejudice for all to see. "Obviously our opinions differ greatly, and I doubt either of us are likely to change our positions. I am prejudiced, deeply so, but not against Muslims as you suggest, but against terrorists. People who seek to kill and injure innocent people, many of which hide behind a religion as a justification for their actions which is a twisted and hateful interpretation of teachings that were designed to make the world a better place. | |||
"In what way The-Doors?" . In what way?. Hell where do you begin, you said your from Ireland?. So you've got a bunch of Brits that aren't happy being Brits, you've got a bunch of Brits who aren't happy that people who are Brits don't wanna be Brits, you've got a whole spectrum of in betweeners, you've got people like my parents catholic/protestant who really don't give a shit either way but who are loyal to their upbringing.... And then you've got their kids, ie me. I've seen all the "repressed" first hand thanks, they're repression doesn't make them anymore noble, just another bunch of fuckwits who can't get past blaming some load of shite about an ism they heard might actually mean they were right all along! | |||
"The phrase is 'Allahu akhbar' which means God is Great. Therefore, shouting it as mimicking a terrorist and not as actually meant is taking god's name in vain. That WILL offend the devout and making light of it as if they are somehow overly sensitive demonstrates an overwhelmingly astonishing lack of awareness or understanding. Don't find others to blame for your own ignorance and intolerance. The people taking the name in vain are the terrorists! Not the police! Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the IRA do with Catholicism, or the KKK do with Protestantism.
There were no terrorists involved in the scenario. And two wrongs don't make a right.
The 'well they do it' defence is asinine at best.
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OK lets put it this way. Taking the lords name in vain and blasphemy all revolves around getting upset on the Lord's behalf, because he is not around to defend himself on a daily basis. So imagine you are God. Would you be more upset by somebody firing an RPG into a refugee camp using your name, or a policeman playing a role of a terrorist using your name so that people can train to save lives? Which would you find more offensive?
You are failing spectacularly to see the point. This is NOT about terrorism. It's about sensitivity and tolerance of others.
No one has the right to tell others what they can or cannot be offended by. If someone is offended by this they are offended. Simple.
But what some are choosing to do on this thread is reduce it down to justify their intolerance of Muslims.
Any fucking excuse for prejudice will do. This will be another 'reason ' they can cite for what is wrong with Muslims.
It is sickening.
So some can continue to argue all they like. It merely lays bare that prejudice for all to see.
Obviously our opinions differ greatly, and I doubt either of us are likely to change our positions. I am prejudiced, deeply so, but not against Muslims as you suggest, but against terrorists. People who seek to kill and injure innocent people, many of which hide behind a religion as a justification for their actions which is a twisted and hateful interpretation of teachings that were designed to make the world a better place.
". Get real!!. There's very few religious teaching designed to make the world a better place, certainly not Islam or christanity. There designed on one purpose... Furthering the religious doctrine | |||
"Institutionalised racism is not ok. That's about it really. They could have come up with any number of dummy phrases. They chose not to. Like what?.... Security exercises have to be realistic so that an actual real life event would be recognised. Yes. They're really realistic. What with all those people with no injuries lying on the floor pretending to be hurt. And that shopping centre with no damage. And the 'terrorist' who is conspicuously whole. They are testing the reaction and response of the emergency services. The emergency services are not present at the moment the fake 'bomb' is detonated. A loud "BANG" would enable people to head off on their pre-scripted actions." You are missing one element of the reason behind this exercise. This was not simply for the emergency services it was also for the general public. It was to give the public an idea of what to look out for in the moments leading up to such an attack and the phrase (despite the apology) was an important part of the process. | |||
"In what way The-Doors?. In what way?. Hell where do you begin, you said your from Ireland?. So you've got a bunch of Brits that aren't happy being Brits, you've got a bunch of Brits who aren't happy that people who are Brits don't wanna be Brits, you've got a whole spectrum of in betweeners, you've got people like my parents catholic/protestant who really don't give a shit either way but who are loyal to their upbringing.... And then you've got their kids, ie me. I've seen all the "repressed" first hand thanks, they're repression doesn't make them anymore noble, just another bunch of fuckwits who can't get past blaming some load of shite about an ism they heard might actually mean they were right all along!" Not really sure why this makes you anti pc. | |||
