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over a year ago
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just watched george osbourne on tv.
with his nice speech,for a better future for us all.
i wonder how he thinks all that can happen.
our tax credits go up, but they stopped our sons ema allowance, so we got to give him the money to keep him intrestd in collage. its just swapping things around,to make it look good.
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George Osborne is a complete arse, absolutely not the best man for the job. He's only chancellor cause he went to Eton with Cameron, and he was owed a favour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"just watched george osbourne on tv.
with his nice speech,for a better future for us all.
i wonder how he thinks all that can happen.
our tax credits go up, but they stopped our sons ema allowance, so we got to give him the money to keep him intrestd in collage. its just swapping things around,to make it look good.
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ema? That would be the payment they get just for attending, yet policemen are about to lose their attendance allowance - is that fair too?
(or the record, I don't think people should be paid just for turning up, either they like the job and accept the wages or they find something else to do, likewise with students - if they dont want to study then stop wasting everyone's time just because the govt are paying them to go) |
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"George Osborne is a complete arse, absolutely not the best man for the job. He's only chancellor cause he went to Eton with Cameron, and he was owed a favour."
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated comments I've ever read on here.  |
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over a year ago
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yes ema is for attending collage.
why shoudnt the young kids get it.
they leave school no jobs for them.
so they study for the future.
not a lot for them in the north of the uk |
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I received an EMA while I was at secondary school because the school was in a deprived area and my Mum was a single parent, but it was an added bonus for me because I intended staying on anyway. And I'll be the first to admit EMA was a complete waste of public cash - the vast majority of kids who wanted to carry on with further education would do that regardless of the £30 (maximum) weekly payment.
Are you sure college is 'right' for your son if he's only there because someone's giving him cash to be there..? I'm 3 years into my degree but completely understand that the uni/college learning environment isn't for everyone - he may be happier (and more motivated) in a working and/or apprenticeship-type environment?
Would allow you to redivert his 'incentive' back into your household outgoings  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"yes ema is for attending collage.
why shoudnt the young kids get it.
they leave school no jobs for them.
so they study for the future.
not a lot for them in the north of the uk"
'study for the future' - key words there.
Why should I pay them to get an education so THEY can benefit from it?
And please don't give me the 'they will pay more in taxes' argument as we've already had that debate regarding uni fees (which I also agree students should pay for their own education) |
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"yes ema is for attending collage.
why shoudnt the young kids get it.
they leave school no jobs for them.
so they study for the future.
not a lot for them in the north of the uk"
I took 2 years out between leaving school and going to uni and was never out of work.. There's always something out there, it's just a lot of young people/adults think a lot of the available jobs are 'below' them.
I'm waitressing in a hotel for minimum wage (£5.93 an hour) but it's better than nothing.. In most chain hotels they struggle to fill the posts because of the low wage, but there are fantastic promotion/training opportunities to be had if you put the work in and show them some initiative. |
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"(which I also agree students should pay for their own education)"
This is one argument that will always get my back up -
My Mum is a single parent and now a full time social worker (part time until a few years ago) with two kids both at uni (20 & 22) - my sister's studying towards becoming an educational psychologist and I'm studying to become a pharmacist. Neither myself nor my sister receive any financial help from family.
There is NO WAY I could have/would have gone to university if I didn't get my fees paid for me. I'm accruing student loan debt to the tune of £4500 a year and that only covers my rent and some of my bills during term time. I work throughout the year, fulltime throughout Summer and any other breaks from uni.
Considering I am doing all I can to minimise the support I require, I would have not have had the opportunity to study at university if it wasn't for tuition fees being paid for me, the extra debt would have been too much of a deterrent.
In healthcare especially, I feel it is important to have the right people doing the job, not the people who were financially able to apply to join the course.. The tax argument is a completely valid one, I will contribute far more to public funds by paying tax on a pharmacist's salary than I would if I made a career out of waitressing, but I need that initial 'leg up' to allow me to do that.
I'm completely on your side when it comes to 'non-subjects' which are going to benefit very few in the long run though. |
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EMA was never designed to be an attendance payment for attending college, it was officially a maintenance allowance.....this also aided students to pay for books and equipment needed for their courses.
You never got money for turning up, you instead lost elements of your payment for missing days or being late....which in a rural area was often the case for many.
My son couldn't get EMA because we earned too much, many of his college books cost upwards of £40 each and college trips and placements cost a lot of money too.
Without a doubt many of his fellow students would never have been able to attend his course if it wasn't for EMA and this government should hang their heads in shame for ceasing a maintenance payment that was aimed specifically at students at low and middle income families.
A clinical attack on working class families..... |
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These new Uni fees don't become payable until AFTER you've left university and only then when you attain a salary of £21k+.
Living costs have always been met by the student, with a student grant/loan, so that hasn't changed has it.
Good luck with your degree, and I've never seen a poor chemist lol  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"EMA was never designed to be an attendance payment for attending college, it was officially a maintenance allowance.....this also aided students to pay for books and equipment needed for their courses.
You never got money for turning up, you instead lost elements of your payment for missing days or being late...."
You dont get money for turning up, but you do lose money if you dont. Nice spin Jane. |
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over a year ago
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in 1979 the maggie years unemployent was bad,we had a yop £25 a week. to get the school leavers get a job.
worked 4 me i got ajob out of it.
same thing in 2011, why stop it |
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Not spin....it never was an attendance allowance, it was officially EDUCATION MAINTENANCE ALLOWANCE.
Otherwise it would have been EDUCATION ATTENDANCE ALLOWANCE.
The penalties for non attendance were designed to stop students signing up for courses and not turning up at all.
Also to stop students from signing on for a college course and working instead |
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I know I'm lucky in that I'm not going to get hit with it, but students just like me (and in worse off situations) are not going to have the opportunities I've had, and it's a crying shame. Guarantee it won't be a spoilt rich kid who cures cancer, and it's likely by introducing these ridiculous fees that the truly great minds won't have the chance to demonstrate their capabilities..
Also, after I graduate I have to complete a pre-registration year (pretty much a paid placement), and that pushes me over the lower earnings limit for student loan repayments - so I won't even be qualified and they're going to be chasing me for repayments
I won't lie, the decent salary was part of why I went in for this course, but that's primarily because I saw my Mum struggle to support two young kids and never want to be in the situation where I'm finanicially reliant on a man. I never went into this so I can have 4 overseas holidays a year and a flash car in the drive.. |
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"These new Uni fees don't become payable until AFTER you've left university and only then when you attain a salary of £21k+.
Living costs have always been met by the student, with a student grant/loan, so that hasn't changed has it.
Good luck with your degree, and I've never seen a poor chemist lol "
Wishy, my ex-husband and I pay £400 a month into our daughter's account at uni, pay for her phone, driving lessions etc. If we didn't she would have somewhere to sleep, but nothing to eat/drink/wear etc. The uni bus costs £1.30 a journey and she can't walk it.
If we were poor, our daughter couldn't go to uni, and she never qualified for an EMA either as we earned too much. Poor students will be unable to attend uni no matter which way you look at it I'm afraid. |
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"These new Uni fees don't become payable until AFTER you've left university and only then when you attain a salary of £21k+.
Living costs have always been met by the student, with a student grant/loan, so that hasn't changed has it.
Good luck with your degree, and I've never seen a poor chemist lol "
You remembered! I'm glad somebody reads my posts. |
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".......... Poor students will be unable to attend uni no matter which way you look at it I'm afraid."
That's exactly what the Tories want. A university education will become the preserve of those whose parents can afford it.
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"George Osborne is a complete arse, absolutely not the best man for the job. He's only chancellor cause he went to Eton with Cameron, and he was owed a favour.
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated comments I've ever read on here. "
It also happens to be true.
Being an arse may not, of course, be entirely his fault. He's suffered from years of consanguinity. |
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"yes ema is for attending collage.
why shoudnt the young kids get it.
they leave school no jobs for them.
so they study for the future.
not a lot for them in the north of the uk
I took 2 years out between leaving school and going to uni and was never out of work.. There's always something out there, it's just a lot of young people/adults think a lot of the available jobs are 'below' them.
I'm waitressing in a hotel for minimum wage (£5.93 an hour) but it's better than nothing.. In most chain hotels they struggle to fill the posts because of the low wage, but there are fantastic promotion/training opportunities to be had if you put the work in and show them some initiative."
I loved reading your post. Very well done. I hope you go far.
It makes a change to see a young person willing to work for what she wants to achieve in future. |
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"George Osborne is a complete arse, absolutely not the best man for the job. He's only chancellor cause he went to Eton with Cameron, and he was owed a favour.
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated comments I've ever read on here.
It also happens to be true.
Being an arse may not, of course, be entirely his fault. He's suffered from years of consanguinity."
You thinking he's an arse doesn't make it so. My opinion of the man is that he's committed to his job, wants to make a difference and overall he's kept his head down and done a good job of it so far. He has achieved a standing in the international community of someone highly capable of challenges he faces and one report I read was from an American financial govt spokesperson who rated him and his policies very highly indeed. Ok, that can be taken with a pinch of salt, or not, it's up to you and what side of the political divide you're sitting on, but to call him an arse without quantifying that statement shows and true immaturity on your behalf and someone who steadfastedly refuses to acknowledge a capable man doing a difficult job under trying economic circumstances.
If you look at the last two encumbents of the position of Chancellor of the Exchequer, he would have to set about it with a passion to do worse than they did. |
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"George Osborne is a complete arse, absolutely not the best man for the job. He's only chancellor cause he went to Eton with Cameron, and he was owed a favour.
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated comments I've ever read on here.
It also happens to be true.
Being an arse may not, of course, be entirely his fault. He's suffered from years of consanguinity.
........ My opinion of the man is that he's committed to his job, ................"
Committed is exactly the word which springs to mind - preferrable to Broadmoor. |
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"George Osborne is a complete arse, absolutely not the best man for the job. He's only chancellor cause he went to Eton with Cameron, and he was owed a favour.
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated comments I've ever read on here.
It also happens to be true.
Being an arse may not, of course, be entirely his fault. He's suffered from years of consanguinity.
........ My opinion of the man is that he's committed to his job, ................
Committed is exactly the word which springs to mind - preferrable to Broadmoor."
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"George Osborne is a complete arse, absolutely not the best man for the job. He's only chancellor cause he went to Eton with Cameron, and he was owed a favour.
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous, uninformed, uneducated comments I've ever read on here.
It also happens to be true.
Being an arse may not, of course, be entirely his fault. He's suffered from years of consanguinity.
You thinking he's an arse doesn't make it so. My opinion of the man is that he's committed to his job, wants to make a difference and overall he's kept his head down and done a good job of it so far. He has achieved a standing in the international community of someone highly capable of challenges he faces and one report I read was from an American financial govt spokesperson who rated him and his policies very highly indeed. Ok, that can be taken with a pinch of salt, or not, it's up to you and what side of the political divide you're sitting on, but to call him an arse without quantifying that statement shows and true immaturity on your behalf and someone who steadfastedly refuses to acknowledge a capable man doing a difficult job under trying economic circumstances.
If you look at the last two encumbents of the position of Chancellor of the Exchequer, he would have to set about it with a passion to do worse than they did."
Ok, so he's a complete arse /in my opinion/. I didn't realise that I needed to quantify it, I thought it was pretty obvious.
And just because he's committed to his job doesn't mean he's any good at it! He's constantly being propped up by those beneath and around him.
And my opinion has nothing to do with "what side of the political divide I'm on". I happen to be on the right side of the divide  . Not sure that's the wisest thing to admit on here though! |
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"It makes a change to see a young person willing to work for what she wants to achieve in future. "
Acknowledgement much appreciated - I see red when I'm lumped in with the 'lazy boozy student' category.. |
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And my opinion has nothing to do with "what side of the political divide I'm on". I happen to be on the right side of the divide . Not sure that's the wisest thing to admit on here though!"
By 'right' I take it you mean 'as opposed to left' rather than 'wrong'
Someone could be well to the right of the political divide and still be well to the left of Osborne, Gove and one or two others on the Tory benches. |
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"It makes a change to see a young person willing to work for what she wants to achieve in future.
Acknowledgement much appreciated - I see red when I'm lumped in with the 'lazy boozy student' category.."
My daughter and many of her friends went to uni, held down jobs while doing so. My daughter even sold burgers at St James Park - which was a huge sacrifice for her, being a sunderland fan!! So somebody has to do the dirty jobs In December last year 8 years after qualifying, my daughter paid off the last of her student loan. While working she went on to do a masters degree so has worked and studied most of her adult life. She is not alone in this as I said. She didn not mind paying for further education and I'm proud of the results and don't appreciate anyone mithering - it can be done. |
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