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"If the Nazis were still in power? Shit. Literally ANY minority - whether that be related to sexuality, race, religion - would be dead or have zero quality of life. Basically what Britain First would like..." | |||
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"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort. " Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met) | |||
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"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort. " A Redcoat at Butlins?  | |||
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"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort. Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met)" As I was born in the colonies I think I would have been. The Nazi would still want sugar, bauxite, gold, diamonds and bananas wouldn't they? I would never have made it to London though. | |||
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"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort. Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met)" That's a point - would the Nazis have approved of a dark-haired unmarried couple having a dark-haired daughter? | |||
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"The trains would run on time
Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo "Is it any good? I'm interested but I don't know if I'm interested enough to go out and get a box set. | |||
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"Probably better off than we are now .... " In what ways, specifically? | |||
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"Probably better off than we are now .... " no Eastenders..  | |||
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"Probably better off than we are now .... " In what way? | |||
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"Scotland would be ok.... " In what way? | |||
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"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like? " Better porn,less humour.  | |||
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"Scotland would be ok.... In what way? " They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom! | |||
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"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like? Better porn,less humour. "More Bukkake maybe? | |||
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"Scotland would be ok.... In what way? They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom! "
All the gingers would be in danger.
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"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look' "Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ? | |||
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"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'
Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ? "Hence the appropriation of the Swastika. | |||
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"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'
Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ?
Hence the appropriation of the Swastika.
"Yes indeed | |||
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"It was the best of times, it was the wurst of times....?" I knew there would be a sausage in there somewhere. | |||
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"The trains would run on time
Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo
Is it any good? I'm interested but I don't know if I'm interested enough to go out and get a box set.
"Watching it on Amazon Prime
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"The trains would run on time
Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo
Is it any good? I'm interested but I don't know if I'm interested enough to go out and get a box set.
Watching it on Amazon Prime
Gripping stuff "I don't anything Amazon... even though it's where I'm from.  | |||
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"I would not even be here... I don't exactly fit the 'Arian look'
Hitler was a bit obsessed with the Occult and holy relics with supposed powers like the Spear of Destiny and The Holy Grail etc too apparently ?
Hence the appropriation of the Swastika.
Yes indeed "It was Himmler and the SS who were in to all that nonsense. Hitler didn't subscribe. | |||
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"Anyone referenced Robert Harris' book, Fatherland, yet? "It was quite highbrow - The Man in the High Castle, last time I checked... | |||
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"We'd all be driving Trabants except those with frontal lobotomies who'd still be driving BMWs "Wasn't the trabant Russian? Would we have still had the cold war? did the iPhone get invented? | |||
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"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort. " Alive. Some of us would not have been born. | |||
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"We would be part of a unified Europe run by the Germans with the French complicit. Hang on a minute. "Hmmmmm and Hmmmmm Again. | |||
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"The trains would run on time
"Whats interesting is what the germans though of us during the war "In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that? There is nothing the British do not have. They have the geniuses and we have the nincompoops. After the war is over I'm going to buy a British radio set - then at least I'll own something that has always worked." Hermann Göring, head of the lufftwaffer | |||
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"we'd be speaking german, hmmm sexy. " Why would we? If this logic held true we'd be speaking french now. | |||
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"The trains would run on time
Actually, watching The Man in the High Castle at the mo "Oh I'd forgotten I want to watch that. | |||
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" David Cameron is nothing if not Hitler reincarnated." And retarded statement of the year has a strong new contender | |||
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"The trains would run on time
Whats interesting is what the germans though of us during the war
"In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that? There is nothing the British do not have. They have the geniuses and we have the nincompoops. After the war is over I'm going to buy a British radio set - then at least I'll own something that has always worked."
Hermann Göring, head of the lufftwaffer"German fighter pilots were awarded two "kills" for every Mosquito they shot down. Someone once said that if you want the ultimate world beating product. Get a Brit to invent it, a German to build it, and a Yank to sell it. | |||
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"As Churchill said...we would sink into the abyss of a new dark age......." And that prophesy came to pass in 1979 when the evil Thatcher and her vampires came to power , lest we fucking forget . | |||
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"As Churchill said...we would sink into the abyss of a new dark age....... And that prophesy came to pass in 1979 when the evil Thatcher and her vampires came to power , lest we fucking forget . "That is like going into hospital for major life saving surgery then slagging off the doctor because the wound is a bit sore. By late '78/early'79 Britain's economic disease was terminal (I know because I was there) Of course Mrs T wielded the knife, and not every cut was a good one, but 10 years on and the country, as a whole, was a damn site better off than when she started. Although maybe still limping a bit. | |||
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"If the Nazis were still in power? Shit. Literally ANY minority - whether that be related to sexuality, race, religion - would be dead or have zero quality of life. Basically what Britain First would like..." spot on- Many of my friends and family would be victims. | |||
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"i would not be here nor would my farther or my grandparents as they were both strong union and Labour party activists my grand farther was a councilor and mayor of earith kent and also stood for parliament he and all his family would of been liquidated " I used to live in erith | |||
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"I would never have existed, my maternal grandparents were both involved in the communist party post war and had very strong left wing views and would have never stood a chance Conversely I suspect my father would have embraced the regime and reveled in the opportunity to hurt those who didn't agree with fascist ideology" I like your dad. Not so keen on your grand parents
No one knows what it would have been like. My opinion is the status quo is generally found.
As someone else on this thread has hinted at, look at the USSR. It collapsed with mass conflict as previous countries want of national pride and independance returned.
I suspect eventually the same would have occured throughout Europe.
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"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like? " It depends on whether we were defeated by them or we allied with them. If we lost then the UK would look like some of the shitter parts of Europe do today. If we allied with them then we would talk about Stalin like we do Hitler (today) and we would all specialise in making apologies for the Nazi's like we do the Soviets "Nazi ideology is good in theory, it just didn't work in practice". | |||
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"Being totally boring, and looking at how countries normalise after pretty much every war that has ever been fought, Had the Germans not gone to war with Russia and the USA had stayed out of it, the UK would probably have fallen in 1942 at the latest. Many would not have died, including those in the work camps in Germany, the USSR would never have existed, and by now the global picture would look very much as it is now. But perhaps we would still be using phone boxes... the lack of a cold war would have stifled attempts to get into space, microchips and computers would not have developed so fast, other wars based on capitalism v communism would not have happened. the middle east would not have a problem controlling fundementalsm, Israel would not exist and America would never have been there so if they did it would not spill out as hatred of the west. As for the NAZI party, they would by now have gone the way of the Social Democrats. " Israel would not have existed because Hitler would have been free to carry on exterminating Jews and many other minorities at his leisure. Take of the rose tinted spectacles, Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's were and would be appalling. Astonishing comments. | |||
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"Israel would not have existed because Hitler would have been free to carry on exterminating Jews and many other minorities at his leisure. Take of the rose tinted spectacles, Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's were and would be appalling. Astonishing comments." No rose tinted glasses involved, Hitler and some of the people close to him are NOT the German race, but war blinded most Germans to what was happening. we have had the same "ethnic clensing" since, but it only really happens on that scale when war stops the normal people noticing. | |||
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"We'd all be driving Trabants except those with frontal lobotomies who'd still be driving BMWs
Wasn't the trabant Russian?
Would we have still had the cold war?
did the iPhone get invented?
"The Trabant was produced by VEB Sachsenring in East Germany | |||
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"The Trabant was produced by VEB Sachsenring in East Germany" Thank you, but that was post war, when Russia ruled East Germany and 4 stroke engines were an impossible dream. Followed one once in Hungary, it was interesting, family of 5 in it getting to about 30mph, 15 on hills though. Only experienced 2 stroke in motorcycle engines, but love the simplicity and lack of moving parts in them. | |||
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"Israel would not have existed because Hitler would have been free to carry on exterminating Jews and many other minorities at his leisure. Take of the rose tinted spectacles, Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's were and would be appalling. Astonishing comments. No rose tinted glasses involved, Hitler and some of the people close to him are NOT the German race, but war blinded most Germans to what was happening. we have had the same "ethnic clensing" since, but it only really happens on that scale when war stops the normal people noticing." Have you read "Hitler's Willing Executioners" by Daniel Goldberg? It contends that the German people (and others in occupied areas) were far more aware of and complicity in what was going on than generally thought. The Nuremburg Trials managed, perhaps by accident rather than design, to cement the idea that a small number of Nazis were responsible for the crimes. Of course, Western Europe had a desperate need to absolve the German people in order to stave off communism but perhaps also The human psyche simply does not wish to recognise the horror that we are capable of. It's a very interesting read (not uncontroversial) which flies in the face of | |||
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"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like? " Well...I probably wouldn't exist so I'm glad they've lost! | |||
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"What do you think England and the rest of the world would be like? " No idea. Wouldn't have been born as my grandmother was a jew. | |||
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"Israel would not have existed because Hitler would have been free to carry on exterminating Jews and many other minorities at his leisure. Take of the rose tinted spectacles, Hitler and the rest of the Nazi's were and would be appalling. Astonishing comments. No rose tinted glasses involved, Hitler and some of the people close to him are NOT the German race, but war blinded most Germans to what was happening. we have had the same "ethnic clensing" since, but it only really happens on that scale when war stops the normal people noticing. Have you read "Hitler's Willing Executioners" by Daniel Goldberg? It contends that the German people (and others in occupied areas) were far more aware of and complicity in what was going on than generally thought. The Nuremburg Trials managed, perhaps by accident rather than design, to cement the idea that a small number of Nazis were responsible for the crimes. Of course, Western Europe had a desperate need to absolve the German people in order to stave off communism but perhaps also The human psyche simply does not wish to recognise the horror that we are capable of. It's a very interesting read (not uncontroversial) which flies in the face of " Yup good book and a definite eye opener. I can also attest that nazi sensibilities are still much alive in Germany particularly in the east. In fact, they have an annual march from Leipzig city centre to the Battle of Nations monument. I've personally experienced such prejudice there, sad to say. | |||
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"i would not be here nor would my farther or my grandparents as they were both strong union and Labour party activists my grand farther was a councilor and mayor of earith kent and also stood for parliament he and all his family would of been liquidated " Sounds like they would have flourished under a national socialist party :p | |||
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"i would not be here nor would my farther or my grandparents as they were both strong union and Labour party activists my grand farther was a councilor and mayor of earith kent and also stood for parliament he and all his family would of been liquidated Sounds like they would have flourished under a national socialist party :p" Social Democrats and Trade Unionists were amongst the first people to be rounded up and sent to work camps. | |||
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"i would not be here nor would my farther or my grandparents as they were both strong union and Labour party activists my grand farther was a councilor and mayor of earith kent and also stood for parliament he and all his family would of been liquidated Sounds like they would have flourished under a national socialist party :p Social Democrats and Trade Unionists were amongst the first people to be rounded up and sent to work camps. " Or course (real) trade unions were opposed / scorned in communist countries too! | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world." Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product  | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product "You could start by reading his book | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
You could start by reading his book"How do I know he wrote it | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
You could start by reading his book
How do I know he wrote it "Now you're talking, I don't think he did. I think it's all a cover up to ditract from the fact that Xemu was the one who invented the atom bomb - where else do you suggest thetans come from? | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product "
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth."Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*? | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*? "As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research."Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-? | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-? "Insert it where? | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where? "Twas sarcasm m' lady. I was mocking the people that will combat your sensible logic with nonsense, as is common in fab land. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Twas sarcasm m' lady.
I was mocking the people that will combat your sensible logic with nonsense, as is common in fab land. "Yes I know. Hence my suggestive 'insert it where' question. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where? "Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate. All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy? People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.
All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?
People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case."At the Wannsee Conference in Berlin 1942 Reinhard Heydrich and company drew up lists of Jewish numbers per country yet to be occupied. These were lists of potential victims. Had Germany invaded they would have annihilated every last one of them including my grandmother and mother (who was 6 when the war started). Make no mistake. All writings and political decisions attest to a COMPLETE lack of tolerance by the Nazi's. It was enshrined in their beliefs and political organisation. You need to read a bit more about it. The evidence is all there in the public domain. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.
All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?
People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case."Your making a logical error! Genuine conspiracy requires people to shut their mouth and know their role, which they aren't generally good at. Therefore, genuine conspiracies usually get uncovered. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker this will happen. The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.
All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?
People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case.
Your making a logical error!
Genuine conspiracy requires people to shut their mouth and know their role, which they aren't generally good at. Therefore, genuine conspiracies usually get uncovered. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker this will happen.
The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf. "I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf. I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.
All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?
People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case.
Your making a logical error!
Genuine conspiracy requires people to shut their mouth and know their role, which they aren't generally good at. Therefore, genuine conspiracies usually get uncovered. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker this will happen.
The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf. "Hitler dictated the book to Hoess in Landesburg prison where he was sent after the failed Munich Putsch. He had it published in his own name and often used the same rhetoric in the book in his speeches. Therefore, even if we can say he didn't physically write it it was still a book of ideas he utterly believed in. As dictator for 12 years if he did not believe in those words it was within his power to suppress the book in the many book burnings held across Germany at the time. | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.
All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?
People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case.
Your making a logical error!
Genuine conspiracy requires people to shut their mouth and know their role, which they aren't generally good at. Therefore, genuine conspiracies usually get uncovered. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker this will happen.
The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf.
I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf.
I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment
Some people are so tetchy about the silliest things ""the silliest things" really, perhaps you should stop trying to use 'sarcasm' and 'irony' when in fact a subject matter is so incredibly wrong for that. 6 million people did not get killed by one or two people, it was endemic in German society, which is partly why Germany had been so anti military for the past 70 years. I just think you are sad making light of this. As another poster said, please read around the subject and perhaps some proper books - ones that didn't get burned by the Nazi's... | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.
All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?
People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case.
Your making a logical error!
Genuine conspiracy requires people to shut their mouth and know their role, which they aren't generally good at. Therefore, genuine conspiracies usually get uncovered. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker this will happen.
The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf.
I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf.
I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment
Some people are so tetchy about the silliest things
"the silliest things" really, perhaps you should stop trying to use 'sarcasm' and 'irony' when in fact a subject matter is so incredibly wrong for that. 6 million people did not get killed by one or two people, it was endemic in German society, which is partly why Germany had been so anti military for the past 70 years. I just think you are sad making light of this. As another poster said, please read around the subject and perhaps some proper books - ones that didn't get burned by the Nazi's..."As I said. Tetchy | |||
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"The propaganda would have been such that we'd probably believe our Fuhrer was a noble, conquering hero that saved us all from the verminous filth of the world. Playing devils advocate here. How do you know he wasn't trying to save us from the verminous filth of the world and we are the ones believing the propoganda? Just because you've read something or seen it on a documentary doesn't make it true. For all we know Hitler was an idealist but a few rogues within his party and since took it further than he wanted or believed. Personally I think he had small person syndrome and the rest is s by product
No. All we know definitively is absolutely recorded. Hitler was a rabid antisemite. Listen to his speeches. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Ah but how to do you know *insert bizzare logic*?
As opposed to actual knowledge and understanding based on proven research.
Yeah but what about -insert conspiracy theory-?
Insert it where?
Read my initial post and I make it clear I am playing devils advovate.
All I'm doing is inviting discussion. We all know how propoganda works. Lets face it, the majority of the population believed d*unk Liverpool supporters were responsible for the death of 96 if their own based on? Propoganda and a cover up. Or is that another conspiracy?
People on here are assuming all gay/ bi people, jews, communists etc would have been exterminated based on what we have been fed by propoganda. The truth is we don't know what would have happened but chances are as war finishes tolerance takes over. History has taught us that is more often than not the case.
Your making a logical error!
Genuine conspiracy requires people to shut their mouth and know their role, which they aren't generally good at. Therefore, genuine conspiracies usually get uncovered. The larger the conspiracy, the quicker this will happen.
The idea that nobody knows the Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf is less plausible than the idea that Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf.
I have never said I think it's a conspiracy that he didn't write Mein Kampf.
I do recommend you invest in a dictionary and look up sarcasm. It will help clarify my 'how do you know he wrote it' comment
Some people are so tetchy about the silliest things
"the silliest things" really, perhaps you should stop trying to use 'sarcasm' and 'irony' when in fact a subject matter is so incredibly wrong for that. 6 million people did not get killed by one or two people, it was endemic in German society, which is partly why Germany had been so anti military for the past 70 years. I just think you are sad making light of this. As another poster said, please read around the subject and perhaps some proper books - ones that didn't get burned by the Nazi's...
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"hi slightly worried by some of the comments, we would have very few freedoms and certainly our gay community would have a very hard time and us who are celtic origin dark haired would be suspect probably never been born. He was evil and nothing the holocaust denyers ( I cant spell that) could ever make good" Yes Hitler and his cohorts were evil, and encouraged allowed many others to be evil too. But to give it some context on the gay issue, being homosexual in England was illegal until 1967, Germany was a year behind England. In Scotland it was illegal until 1980. | |||
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"hi slightly worried by some of the comments, we would have very few freedoms and certainly our gay community would have a very hard time and us who are celtic origin dark haired would be suspect probably never been born. He was evil and nothing the holocaust denyers ( I cant spell that) could ever make good Yes Hitler and his cohorts were evil, and encouraged allowed many others to be evil too. But to give it some context on the gay issue, being homosexual in England was illegal until 1967, Germany was a year behind England. In Scotland it was illegal until 1980. " Having marched in the 80s for Gay rights I can only agree with you that this was horrendous. As was the fact that Women only got the vote in the UK in 1918 for 30 and over and 1928 for 21 and over! And Switzerland in 1971! Equality means every gender, every colour, every creed, every religious persuasion (although this one gets a bit corrupted nowadays as many 'religions' are seemingly aimed at persecuting non-believers) However - "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", but I certainly don't have to agree with some of the nonsense on this thread. | |||
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"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort. Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met) That's a point - would the Nazis have approved of a dark-haired unmarried couple having a dark-haired daughter?" dont recall hitler being blond | |||
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"I'd probably be in some sort of camp doing menial work of some sort. Would you have been born at all? I'm not convinced I would have been (although thats more to do with where/how my Grandparents met) That's a point - would the Nazis have approved of a dark-haired unmarried couple having a dark-haired daughter?dont recall hitler being blond" I heard he was a Ginger | |||
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"Didn't Hitler have the UK earmarked as a breeding colony? I would probably have 10 blue eyed,light haired children by now." Aww. Did we miss out on a breeding colony? Oh no, wait. Blackpool still happened. | |||
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"Didn't Hitler have the UK earmarked as a breeding colony? I would probably have 10 blue eyed,light haired children by now." I'm blue eyed and light hair | |||
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"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies. Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA" I remember reading the book "Devils Guard" many years ago about former SS men who served for the French in (what is now) Vietnam. Part fact part fiction but a very good read. | |||
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"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies. Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA" Many marched to Sudetenland, Poland, Denmark, Notway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France during the war as well! Stop being a war apologist, the German forces, especially the Waffen SS, were brutal and killed many people even before we start to look at concentration camps. The lifes of people under German occupation was not pleasant in any way. Yes we can accept that after the war we have to move on and let everybody rebuild their life's, but don't paint the German forces as a bunch of guys 'who were just following orders'... | |||
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"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies. Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA Many marched to Sudetenland, Poland, Denmark, Notway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France during the war as well! Stop being a war apologist, the German forces, especially the Waffen SS, were brutal and killed many people even before we start to look at concentration camps. The lifes of people under German occupation was not pleasant in any way. Yes we can accept that after the war we have to move on and let everybody rebuild their life's, but don't paint the German forces as a bunch of guys 'who were just following orders'..." There is always good and bad on both sides of war buddy, you may be classed as a fool if you cannot accept that even recent Kosovo Serbs war proved war crimes of shocking event a pregnant female being tied to a tree, having her stomach cut open and the child falling to her feet war is hell | |||
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"there were a lot of good men classed as Nazis, many good fighting men who fought very hard you need to remember these men were at war same as our side and allies. Many marched to France after the war, joined the Legion, fought in indo china There definetely were former members of the SS in the Foreign Legion, Waffen SS were well trained disciplined men of war Many settled in Vietnam during the war with France & later the USA Many marched to Sudetenland, Poland, Denmark, Notway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France during the war as well! Stop being a war apologist, the German forces, especially the Waffen SS, were brutal and killed many people even before we start to look at concentration camps. The lifes of people under German occupation was not pleasant in any way. Yes we can accept that after the war we have to move on and let everybody rebuild their life's, but don't paint the German forces as a bunch of guys 'who were just following orders'..." The vast majority of SS men were die hard Nazi's even in the fighting units (Waffen SS) Including the wife's great uncle who was SS Leibstandarte which was not only a fighting unit but also provided Hitler's personal bodyguard. She never knew him because, although he survived the war, he was killed in an accident shortly afterwards. No-one alive in the family today knows (or will say) exactly what he did during those times but from a photo I have seen he at least reached the rank of Hauptsturmfuhrer (equivalent to a captain in the army) On the other side of the coin her grandparents (on the other side of the family) hid then helped a Jewish family escape from Germany just before the outbreak of the war. In the last weeks of the war the same grandparents also hid their 15 year old son (the wife's father) telling the Volkssturm recruiters that he had disappeared during an air raid. If you dig deep enough you will find similar stories in most German families. There was no black and white just a full spectrum from dyed in the wool Nazi's to (albeit underground) full blown opposition and everything in between. | |||
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"would I still have my vw ...or my karcher pressure washer.....no shaved pussies...hairy armpits" As for the car question.... In 1932, Adolf Hitler wanted his German citizens to have the same access to a car as the Americans and so ordered the production of a basic vehicle capable of transporting two adults and three children at 100 km/h (62 mph). So the answer is, "probably, yes". | |||
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"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny ". Mmmm a very interesting guy. Well worth a read, cheers. . And yes Simon weistenhome appears in there as well. It seems Otto wanted off his list | |||
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"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny .
Mmmm a very interesting guy.
Well worth a read, cheers.
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"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny .
Mmmm a very interesting guy.
Well worth a read, cheers.
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And yes Simon weistenhome appears in there as well. It seems Otto wanted off his list
Yeah, the Mossad showed up at Otto's door and he thought they were gonna kill him - instead they offered him a job. WTF?". People who are "fucking nuts" always seem to be attracted to each other and then go on to form "groups". Propaganda is what's used to make people think one "group" is less "fucking nuts" than the other group? | |||
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"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective. "So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!" Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's... Gobsmacked! " . I didn't say that, before getting arsey with my history, try reading what I wrote | |||
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"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective. "So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!" Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's... Gobsmacked! " so bomber Harris bombing of Dresden was good was it ? I'm amazed how some people think bombing of innocent cities is ok by any side ..still that's the British for you..so Churchill elected after the war was he even the dockers had to be paid to lower their cranes in honor after his death ..still that's history ehh | |||
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"There would be no Jews running the country. ". Don't look at me!. . . I've called Osborne a fat faced fuckwit I'll admit but never big nose | |||
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"Was going to say I probably would not be here as I am a short ass with black/bald/grey hair lol" . So was Hitler | |||
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"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective. "So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!" Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's... Gobsmacked! so bomber Harris bombing of Dresden was good was it ? I'm amazed how some people think bombing of innocent cities is ok by any side ..still that's the British for you..so Churchill elected after the war was he even the dockers had to be paid to lower their cranes in honor after his death ..still that's history ehh" Hiroshima and Nagasaki aside the bombing of Dresden was probably the most controversial raid in the whole of WW2. However it is very easy to fall into the trap of looking at mid 20th century history through 21st century eyes. Although the German army was in retreat in early 1945 it was still putting up a spirited resistance and the Russians were losing thousands upon thousands of troops. At the Yalta conference a couple of weeks before Dresden it was discussed as to how the western allies could help the Russians in an attempt to shorten the war and depending on who you believe Stalin did (or didn't) specifically ask for Dresden to be bombed. It was widely believed at the time that the Germans were transferring troops from the western front to the east, and bombing Dresden and Leipzig, which were both important railway junctions, would not only hinder this but would also have an effect on German morale. In wartime many decisions have to be taken looking at the overall picture. For example: Let's imagine for a moment that Dresden was not bombed. Because of this the German army managed to redeploy units from the west and hold up the Russians until November (as was widely believed could happen) at the cost of many thousands of Russian lives. Would historians be kind to Churchill, Harris and Co. for knowingly letting a was shortening target escape? I think not. BTW. Although Harris gets most of the stick for Dresden it should be remembered that nearly as many American aircraft took part in the raids as RAF. | |||
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"There would be no Jews running the country." Oy vey zmir | |||
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"There would be no Jews running the country. " There would be lots of ignorant people like this around. | |||
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"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny "What strange about that? Frank Abagnale works for the FBI, hackers work for GCHQ once they get busted- it's logical!! | |||
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"How about this... Hitler's 'go-to' thug of choice ends up working for Mossad... couldn't make this shit up... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny
What strange about that? Frank Abagnale works for the FBI, hackers work for GCHQ once they get busted- it's logical!! "I doubt very much that Abignale's former brothers in arms will give him the Nazi salute for a send off at his graveside whilst not knowing their mate had been working for the other side | |||
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"There would be no Jews running the country. There would be lots of ignorant people like this around. " not exactly ignorant, thread is nazis had won the the, they would have carried on killing jews till there was none left, that would have been a frightening reality | |||
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"Europe would not have the problems with the invasions as they have today as control is what they are good at." Bloody hell | |||
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"Tbh Germany seem to rule the Eu so i guess not much different to now would be your answer" Hahahahaha Spot on | |||
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"Europe would not have the problems with the invasions as they have today as control is what they are good at. Bloody hell "Par for the course, I'm afraid | |||
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"There would be no Jews running the country. There would be lots of ignorant people like this around. not exactly ignorant, thread is nazis had won the the, they would have carried on killing jews till there was none left, that would have been a frightening reality" Oh yes , I'm sure that's what he meant. | |||
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"Sometimes people astound me at their complete lack of perspective. "So Churchill is as bad as Hitler, for some reasons whatever Hiter did is ok because the Kosovo Serbs did bad shit!" Perhaps going back and learning some History might help. Truly astounding commentary about a horrendously vicious part of all of our history, but especially Germany's... Gobsmacked! so bomber Harris bombing of Dresden was good was it ? I'm amazed how some people think bombing of innocent cities is ok by any side ..still that's the British for you..so Churchill elected after the war was he even the dockers had to be paid to lower their cranes in honor after his death ..still that's history ehh Hiroshima and Nagasaki aside the bombing of Dresden was probably the most controversial raid in the whole of WW2. for Dresden it should be remembered that nearly as many American aircraft took part in the raids as RAF." . I dunno there was the direct order for the sinking of the French fleet in harbour killing about 1400 French sailors!. The deliberate and willful fire bombing of Japan for three weeks before Nagasaki and Hiroshima which killed half a million... And that was despite Japan being completely and utterly out of fuel to fight with!. The three days we promised Stalin where we sat outside Berlin doing fuck all while the Soviets ransacked, plundered and rapped every woman in Berlin... | |||
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" The three days we promised Stalin where we sat outside Berlin doing fuck all while the Soviets ransacked, plundered and rapped every woman in Berlin..." Hush now, can't criticise uncle Joe, you'll upset the loony lefties. | |||
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"The German Blitz's of British cities were not accidental. We goaded them into it, they were attacking the radar installations along the south coast and without them the RAF was done for!. So bomber command came up with the idea to bomb Berlin and German cities so that the Germans would deliberately retaliate and bomb British cities, thus taking away their abilities to attack the radar stations, hell the Luftwaffe even warned Hitler that was the British intention... Of course Hitler being Hitler he returned to Berlin from his house in Austria to be with the people during the bombing of Berlin and after a few days his intolerance grew, where he announced to the Berliners that they would return the bombing ten fold on London!. Of course Churchill had moved from London, he was a smart military cookie unlike Hitler!" No no sorry. I usually like your posts but on this one you are (mostly) wrong. What became known as the Battle of Britain started with the Luftwaffe, after harassing convoys in the channel, upping the ante by trying to destroy the RAF either on the ground or by bringing them to battle where they thought that German numerical superiority would win the day. Hitler and the German high command were shit scared of the Royal Navy and the only way they could see a successful seaborne invasion of Britain was to have air superiority over the channel which would give them the ability to keep the RN in check. For this reason alone Hitler refused to launch "Operation Sealion" (the invasion of Britain) until the RAF was defeated. Sorry about the preamble but now to city bombing. During the Battle of Britain it is well documented that the first bombs dropped on London were by mistake. Luftwaffe pilots had strict orders NOT to bomb London. Needless to say Britain retaliated with a small, pretty ineffective, raid on Berlin. As this was the first time Berlin had been attacked Hitler was incensed and ordered (against the better judgement of his field commanders) the Luftwaffe to switch to London as the main target. It was not a deliberate ploy by bomber command just, as is often the case, a chain reaction of events that began with one mistake. I would add that in 1940 bomber command didn't have enough pilots or aircraft to mount a concerted bombing campaign against Germany. However that mistake is probably what saved Britain in the dark days of the summer of 1940. The RAF was taking losses that if continued would probably have seen Hitler's plan come to fruition. It was only the switch to London that gave the RAF the breathing space it needed. | |||
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