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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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What's your views or dealings with them?
Real or fake?
I have a friend who truly believes that some are real from her personal experiences with some of them.
Told her things that know one else would have known about.
I like to think I've got an open mind but I'm erring on fake. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's your views or dealings with them?
Real or fake?
I have a friend who truly believes that some are real from her personal experiences with some of them.
Told her things that know one else would have known about.
I like to think I've got an open mind but I'm erring on fake."
define fake? what makes you think this?
have you had any dealings with them? etc etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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its the same with most of the threads the OP posts on here..
there are some who will believe and those who won't, regardless of whether Derren Brown has debunked them or not... |
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Like most supernatural.. most are synical to prooven otherwise.
Visited one a few years ago.. unless she knew me which she didnt made hairs back of my neck stand up with how intimate she knew my family. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"its the same with most of the threads the OP posts on here..
there are some who will believe and those who won't, regardless of whether Derren Brown has debunked them or not..."
Ha Ha |
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"Like most supernatural.. most are synical to prooven otherwise.
Visited one a few years ago.. unless she knew me which she didnt made hairs back of my neck stand up with how intimate she knew my family."
Yes but that's you. Not her. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry they are all frauds
It breaks the laws of physics if the were real the universe would implode  "
The laws of science are determined by repeatable viewable phenomenon. Ever experienced a poltergeist? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"well I'm a believer ive had many dealings with them and told me things they couldn't have possibly known 
Such as ?"
that's private and not for fabs forums I'm afraid |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sorry they are all frauds
It breaks the laws of physics if the were real the universe would implode
The laws of science are determined by repeatable viewable phenomenon. Ever experienced a poltergeist?"
I haven't personally. Have you ?
I try and keep an open mind.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What's your views or dealings with them?
Real or fake?
I have a friend who truly believes that some are real from her personal experiences with some of them.
Told her things that know one else would have known about.
I like to think I've got an open mind but I'm erring on fake."
One read of your fab profile and I'll be able tell you something no one else knows about you lol |
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"well I'm a believer ive had many dealings with them and told me things they couldn't have possibly known
Such as ?that's private and not for fabs forums I'm afraid "
I get that.
What is it you think they can do ? |
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I believe. I've had readings that were spot on.
I've also had rubbish ones.
I remain 90% sceptical because everyone has a lady in their past with white hair lol.
I've taken a mediumship course and occasionally go to church.
I've seen and heard things that defy science.
I don't agree with the ones that charge grieving people money for some twaddle when they're desperately searching for comfort. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i don't believe i think its just a job like any job, people pay to hear them so of course they will carry on making money out of it, what i don't like are the ones who pretend they can contact your dead loved ones, i hate seeing vulnerable exploited |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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George Clooney starred in a film called "the men who stare at goats" this was a comedy based on a genuine CIA programme using esp and what they called remote viewing. The KGB were working on a programme to use mind control and low frequency radio waves for assassination attempts.
To this day, the Russian president sleeps in a room with radio frequency blockers to prevent assassination attempts by this method.
Do I believe clairvoyants exist? Yes
Do I believe clairvoyants that charge for their services are real? No, they are as fake as can be.
I have met people who have been able to read my thoughts and I have met those who have claimed to read minds but cant |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"George Clooney starred in a film called "the men who stare at goats" this was a comedy based on a genuine CIA programme using esp and what they called remote viewing. The KGB were working on a programme to use mind control and low frequency radio waves for assassination attempts.
To this day, the Russian president sleeps in a room with radio frequency blockers to prevent assassination attempts by this method.
Do I believe clairvoyants exist? Yes
Do I believe clairvoyants that charge for their services are real? No, they are as fake as can be.
I have met people who have been able to read my thoughts and I have met those who have claimed to read minds but cant "
Didn't they experiment with lsd on the soldiers to help them remote view? Or was that something entirely different experiment? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"George Clooney starred in a film called "the men who stare at goats" this was a comedy based on a genuine CIA programme using esp and what they called remote viewing. The KGB were working on a programme to use mind control and low frequency radio waves for assassination attempts.
To this day, the Russian president sleeps in a room with radio frequency blockers to prevent assassination attempts by this method.
Do I believe clairvoyants exist? Yes
Do I believe clairvoyants that charge for their services are real? No, they are as fake as can be.
I have met people who have been able to read my thoughts and I have met those who have claimed to read minds but cant
Didn't they experiment with lsd on the soldiers to help them remote view? Or was that something entirely different experiment? "
that was the cia and mk ultra or something |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sorry they are all frauds
It breaks the laws of physics if the were real the universe would implode
The laws of science are determined by repeatable viewable phenomenon. Ever experienced a poltergeist?
I haven't personally. Have you ?
I try and keep an open mind. "
Yes. Unfortunately there was no scientist there to test or repeat the incidents. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Sorry they are all frauds
It breaks the laws of physics if the were real the universe would implode
The laws of science are determined by repeatable viewable phenomenon. Ever experienced a poltergeist?
I haven't personally. Have you ?
I try and keep an open mind.
Yes. Unfortunately there was no scientist there to test or repeat the incidents."
Was you scared?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sorry they are all frauds
It breaks the laws of physics if the were real the universe would implode
The laws of science are determined by repeatable viewable phenomenon. Ever experienced a poltergeist?
I haven't personally. Have you ?
I try and keep an open mind.
Yes. Unfortunately there was no scientist there to test or repeat the incidents.
Was you scared? "
Very scared. We really did not think about inviting a scientist to accompany us at the time. |
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Many are convinced they have been told something the other could not know
Not many have ever had a correct answer to a question they have asked knowing the other cannot know
Point being unknowable data is ALWAYS told and never given as a direct result of a question
Hmmm
Under controlled conditions not one person has ever demonstrated what many have claimed , not one ever
Surely one with the gift would like to prove it lol
Just because YOU can't fathom how does not mean dead people are talking
Two facts
If you have been con vinced either you have been cold read , which is great fun and easy to do , statistically played , or worst of all researched
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Sorry they are all frauds
It breaks the laws of physics if the were real the universe would implode
The laws of science are determined by repeatable viewable phenomenon. Ever experienced a poltergeist?
I haven't personally. Have you ?
I try and keep an open mind.
Yes. Unfortunately there was no scientist there to test or repeat the incidents.
Was you scared?
Very scared. We really did not think about inviting a scientist to accompany us at the time."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't know. I think they pray on the vulnerable for sure and as someone who could be classed as that, I wouldn't be prepared to see one. I'd dearly love to communicate with MrNotts but if there is life after death, he will deal with me directly and cut out the middle Man!
I have many strange things that happen, and I'm content with that as a comfort. X |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"George Clooney starred in a film called "the men who stare at goats" this was a comedy based on a genuine CIA programme using esp and what they called remote viewing. The KGB were working on a programme to use mind control and low frequency radio waves for assassination attempts.
To this day, the Russian president sleeps in a room with radio frequency blockers to prevent assassination attempts by this method.
Do I believe clairvoyants exist? Yes
Do I believe clairvoyants that charge for their services are real? No, they are as fake as can be.
I have met people who have been able to read my thoughts and I have met those who have claimed to read minds but cant
Didn't they experiment with lsd on the soldiers to help them remote view? Or was that something entirely different experiment? "
lsd was another programme. The KGB programme was more focused on low frequency radio waves and influencing behaviour through mind control. Like a remote type of hypnosis. The CIA programme was focused on seeing inside buildings. If they had used this programme in the Gulf it would have proved that there were no weapons of mass destruction.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty |
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By (user no longer on site)
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watch The Mentalist and see how it is all done with psychology. If you believe in all the mystic stuff send me £100 and you will find great fortune in six numbers. |
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty "
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx"
I don't need you to believe. I believe. That's enough for me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx"
I'm not saying your wrong, but why is it that signs are so intermittent? There are times I'd dearly love to have a sign and I don't. They happen without any rhyme or reason, not as I would want them to.. |
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx
I'm not saying your wrong, but why is it that signs are so intermittent? There are times I'd dearly love to have a sign and I don't. They happen without any rhyme or reason, not as I would want them to.."
Look at the clouds every day
I will guarantee you will see dragons sometimes xxx
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx
I'm not saying your wrong, but why is it that signs are so intermittent? There are times I'd dearly love to have a sign and I don't. They happen without any rhyme or reason, not as I would want them to.."
I believe I get signs when I really need them,and when she's able to..... there's no courier service from where our loved ones are unfortunately. I always acknowledge them out loud too, just incase she can hear me.
Truly sorry for your loss and hope you find comfort wherever you can x |
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx
I don't need you to believe. I believe. That's enough for me "
Its good someone manipulating you makes you happy xxx
I sometimes manipulate people to make them happy too ,always makes me uncomfortable xxx |
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I'm not a huge believer... If there are any psychics, clairvoyants that are genuine, then they are extremely rare.. The rest just read people very well, and are adept at psychology and manipulation |
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Went to a medium six months after my dad died,she lived about twenty miles from me,,,she said,,,your father wants to thank you for putting his epillletts on his coffin ,how could she know that is what i had done.i hadnt even mentioned the job he was in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx
I don't need you to believe. I believe. That's enough for me
Its good someone manipulating you makes you happy xxx
I sometimes manipulate people to make them happy too ,always makes me uncomfortable xxx"
I'm not being manipulated. Thanks for the concern though |
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"Went to a medium six months after my dad died,she lived about twenty miles from me,,,she said,,,your father wants to thank you for putting his epillletts on his coffin ,how could she know that is what i had done.i hadnt even mentioned the job he was in. "
Did you or someone you know mention it on Facebook, or take a picture? There's a couple of possibilities |
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yes there are some who seek comfort and guess what some will take advantage of that..
and there are some of those who seek comfort who probably know they are paying for being told what they want to hear and if that does bring them comfort and they are fine with that arrangement it's no ones business but theirs..
i think with things we don't yet know about (and may never do tbh) that some find scary and find it easier to mock those who do believe in something 'different' or genuinely believe that they have experienced something 'different'..
many things have been 'unknown' in our short time, had we had the same attitude about many things that we discovered etc the 'na fuck it its all bollocks etc' lets disparage or laugh at what others believe in then maybe we may not have advanced in some ways as others..
'advanced' there's a word..
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"Went to a medium six months after my dad died,she lived about twenty miles from me,,,she said,,,your father wants to thank you for putting his epillletts on his coffin ,how could she know that is what i had done.i hadnt even mentioned the job he was in. "
Answer you own question
How ?
she certainly did not speak to your dad
So either ...
Sick isn't it |
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"I believe some of them are entirely genuine, including a local spirit medium who me and my sister have both visited a number of times over the last 15-20 years, who tells us stories from our grandmas past, exactly the way she used to tell them to us when we were little girls. Word for word in some cases!
We also see little signs every now and then that grandma is still around, which is very comforting.
I do however think that there are many fakes out there who pray on people who are vulnerable and desperate to make a connection with a loved one.... and that's just really shitty
I don't believe your clairvoyant is or ever has spoken to a dead person
I entirely belive she tells you the stories as your grandma did
I don't think there are any possible signs that prove your grandma is still present
I do belive you see thing's that convince and comfort you xxx
I don't need you to believe. I believe. That's enough for me
Its good someone manipulating you makes you happy xxx
I sometimes manipulate people to make them happy too ,always makes me uncomfortable xxx
I'm not being manipulated. Thanks for the concern though "
You don't think you are or don't want to be, but
If the person isn't speaking to an ex living person then that's exactly what is happening |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"yes there are some who seek comfort and guess what some will take advantage of that..
and there are some of those who seek comfort who probably know they are paying for being told what they want to hear and if that does bring them comfort and they are fine with that arrangement it's no ones business but theirs..
i think with things we don't yet know about (and may never do tbh) that some find scary and find it easier to mock those who do believe in something 'different' or genuinely believe that they have experienced something 'different'..
many things have been 'unknown' in our short time, had we had the same attitude about many things that we discovered etc the 'na fuck it its all bollocks etc' lets disparage or laugh at what others believe in then maybe we may not have advanced in some ways as others..
'advanced' there's a word..
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Totally agree. I'm not a religious person but I am spiritual and have certain beliefs in that regard. If people who don't know me wish to mock me for those beliefs, then I think it says more about them than me.
I don't think we will ever have concrete evidence either way, as with many belief systems |
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"watch The Mentalist and see how it is all done with psychology. If you believe in all the mystic stuff send me £100 and you will find great fortune in six numbers."
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This one is weird and funny. Happened last week, when I was arranging to meet the guy I did yesterday.
Woke up one morning to find a small round bruise on the top,of each arm, in exactly the same place that MrNotts used to put his thumbs kind of holding me down when he was fucking me. When I saw them in the mirror I thought....spooky! |
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"This one is weird and funny. Happened last week, when I was arranging to meet the guy I did yesterday.
Woke up one morning to find a small round bruise on the top,of each arm, in exactly the same place that MrNotts used to put his thumbs kind of holding me down when he was fucking me. When I saw them in the mirror I thought....spooky!"
Stigmata
I have zero doubt the mind can cause it's own body to manifest all sorts of conditions
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"This one is weird and funny. Happened last week, when I was arranging to meet the guy I did yesterday.
Woke up one morning to find a small round bruise on the top,of each arm, in exactly the same place that MrNotts used to put his thumbs kind of holding me down when he was fucking me. When I saw them in the mirror I thought....spooky!
Stigmata
I have zero doubt the mind can cause it's own body to manifest all sorts of conditions
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oh my word how insulting and cruel can someone get |
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"This one is weird and funny. Happened last week, when I was arranging to meet the guy I did yesterday.
Woke up one morning to find a small round bruise on the top,of each arm, in exactly the same place that MrNotts used to put his thumbs kind of holding me down when he was fucking me. When I saw them in the mirror I thought....spooky!
Stigmata
I have zero doubt the mind can cause it's own body to manifest all sorts of conditions
oh my word how insulting and cruel can someone get "
Aw leah some girls like rough sex xxx the marks were a reminder of her intense pleasure , not cruelty  |
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"Went to a medium six months after my dad died,she lived about twenty miles from me,,,she said,,,your father wants to thank you for putting his epillletts on his coffin ,how could she know that is what i had done.i hadnt even mentioned the job he was in.
Did you or someone you know mention it on Facebook, or take a picture? There's a couple of possibilities "
no i wasn't even on facebook then |
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"This one is weird and funny. Happened last week, when I was arranging to meet the guy I did yesterday.
Woke up one morning to find a small round bruise on the top,of each arm, in exactly the same place that MrNotts used to put his thumbs kind of holding me down when he was fucking me. When I saw them in the mirror I thought....spooky!
Stigmata
I have zero doubt the mind can cause it's own body to manifest all sorts of conditions
oh my word how insulting and cruel can someone get
Aw leah some girls like rough sex xxx the marks were a reminder of her intense pleasure , not cruelty "
I was referring to ur comment not the sex the lady had mentioned |
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"the clairvoyant I see doesn't charge she does it to offer help so in my eyes and from my readings shes genuine "
One thing for sure she isn't talking to ex living people and that would be simple to prove
If you enjoy her words that's great , we call those people councillors xxx
I would have to question her motives for pretending to talk to ex living people in order to make you feel better
Money is not the only motivator , attention and control is often more so xxx
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I'm inclined to think that there's probably nothing magical outside of our standard experience of the world. I'm a sceptical person who likes evidence etc and the scientific process.
Randi offered $1million many years ago for someone who could demonstrate such special powers. It has still not been claimed, despite a few who have used fraudulent tricks and tried it. I wonder why?!
Derren Brown has demonstrated his clairvoyance, mediumship etc, using cold reading and other psychological techniques. I think his skills are largely what are used by mediums etc.
When we physically die we are probably nothing more than returned to the physical elements that we were comprised of. |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
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"I'm inclined to think that there's probably nothing magical outside of our standard experience of the world. I'm a sceptical person who likes evidence etc and the scientific process.
Randi offered $1million many years ago for someone who could demonstrate such special powers. It has still not been claimed, despite a few who have used fraudulent tricks and tried it. I wonder why?!
Derren Brown has demonstrated his clairvoyance, mediumship etc, using cold reading and other psychological techniques. I think his skills are largely what are used by mediums etc.
When we physically die we are probably nothing more than returned to the physical elements that we were comprised of. "
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"fraud.. but if others seek comfort in it then who am i to object to a grieving person getting relief from the pain of loosing a loved one"
I cannot object to any grieving person seeking comfort
I do object to non grieving people pretending they are communicating with the loved one of another
In the long term pretending one can still communicate with the once living does not help the healing process it is manipulation
Far too often regardless of financial gain or non the manipulator will give advice pretending it's from the loved one this is fundamentaly wrong the advice may be good or bad but the grieving should know it's not coming from the deceased
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What's the simplest, Occam's razor answer - bunkum or oh so very real?
Billions have dies but I've not heard much from them, now that they have unlocked the secrets of the universe, beyond small minded bollocks. |
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