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Just how strongly do you feel about benefit cheats? DialEmma
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" .................... Woud it make a difference what they did to make the cash in hand money? .................. " I'm not so much concerned about how they earned the money assuming everything, apart from the DWP knowing, is legal. It's more about how they spend the money. Someone struggling to keep a roof over their heads, put food in their bairns' mouths or pay off debts that maybe weren't of their making is one thing. Someone injecting it up their arm, snorting it up their nose or chucking it down their throat while sunning themselves in Tenerife half the year is altogether different. | |||
"I wouldn't know what to do to be honest but as I hate thieves and this person sounds like it. I'd suck his cock and nick his job seekers allowance lol" naaa nick his cock job seekers allowance already sucks. | |||
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"if they were nice and everyone "clicked" and the sex was great - shag em .......then grass em up - thieving scrounging feckers " | |||
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"yep,go after the benefit cheats.it's paramount to theft,but should'nt we be going after the tax evaders just as vigorously. tax evasion,costs the country,much more than benefit fraud,but nobody seems to bothered about it. is it ok,for the rich to steal,but not the poor. "do em both........ | |||
"Also immoral is the millions that go unclaimed for those in need by the practice of misinforming claiments that are genuine and deserving. "Good job part of my job is to inform and help deserving people claim the benefits they are entitled to then isnt it!! I have no problem with people claiming benefits legally. | |||
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"I think theres a big difference between people like us and those who claim and work, or claim for family or expenses they dont have, or even own houses in different names. We are on benefits, Mart has a bad back so is very limited in what he can do for a living, he had to give up pest control a couple of years ago and has been trying to get back into IT (after a ten year gap, not good in that industry) ever since, I also have a special needs child. we live within our means and dont have lots of things on credit, we have made a nice house by buying second hand or bartering services with our friends. Occasionally Mart can make a few quid fixing a PC or may make a bit of cash buying and selling somthing on at a profit, but we dont "cheat" We still have two cars but both are paid for and both worth probably a £1000 put together, and both were bought with money from cars we had when we were working that were worth a lot more. please dont tar us all with the same brush, it feels bad enough knowing we are living off the state without knowing that other people think we are ALL cheats, Mart worked full time for 25 years (left school at 15) the last ten of which were in pain from his back before he couldnt cope with it, and i gave up work when my second child was born and it became obvious he needed extra care. A lot of us are decent paople as well, and we have had to cope with overpayments for family credit being demanded back, the first bill was for £1200, we didnt know we were being overpaid, they worked out the payments and we didnt know any better, after a year they told us we owned them all that money back." There is a world of difference between people who generally need help and benefit cheats, and most people know the difference. But for the grace of God etc. Saw a case recently, man claiming disability allowance but was competing at a high level in judo: now I ask you! | |||
"I think theres a big difference between people like us and those who claim and work, or claim for family or expenses they dont have, or even own houses in different names. We are on benefits, Mart has a bad back so is very limited in what he can do for a living, he had to give up pest control a couple of years ago and has been trying to get back into IT (after a ten year gap, not good in that industry) ever since, I also have a special needs child. we live within our means and dont have lots of things on credit, we have made a nice house by buying second hand or bartering services with our friends. Occasionally Mart can make a few quid fixing a PC or may make a bit of cash buying and selling somthing on at a profit, but we dont "cheat" We still have two cars but both are paid for and both worth probably a £1000 put together, and both were bought with money from cars we had when we were working that were worth a lot more. please dont tar us all with the same brush, it feels bad enough knowing we are living off the state without knowing that other people think we are ALL cheats, Mart worked full time for 25 years (left school at 15) the last ten of which were in pain from his back before he couldnt cope with it, and i gave up work when my second child was born and it became obvious he needed extra care. A lot of us are decent paople as well, and we have had to cope with overpayments for family credit being demanded back, the first bill was for £1200, we didnt know we were being overpaid, they worked out the payments and we didnt know any better, after a year they told us we owned them all that money back." people without a shadow of a doubt, need help, support and benefits they are legally entitled to. sadly again, it is the ones that exploit it that tarnish it for others. the abusers of the system... deserve the punishment. | |||
"Also immoral is the millions that go unclaimed for those in need by the practice of misinforming claiments that are genuine and deserving. "Here here, we have tenants we know desperately need disability benefits but they are fighting to get it and others that claim they are disabled and seem to get it without question, we have reported them but Ive been working there 3 yrs and still this man is being "investigated" yea right  | |||
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"I think theres a big difference between people like us and those who claim and work, or claim for family or expenses they dont have, or even own houses in different names. We are on benefits, Mart has a bad back so is very limited in what he can do for a living, he had to give up pest control a couple of years ago and has been trying to get back into IT (after a ten year gap, not good in that industry) ever since, I also have a special needs child. we live within our means and dont have lots of things on credit, we have made a nice house by buying second hand or bartering services with our friends. Occasionally Mart can make a few quid fixing a PC or may make a bit of cash buying and selling somthing on at a profit, but we dont "cheat" We still have two cars but both are paid for and both worth probably a £1000 put together, and both were bought with money from cars we had when we were working that were worth a lot more. please dont tar us all with the same brush, it feels bad enough knowing we are living off the state without knowing that other people think we are ALL cheats, Mart worked full time for 25 years (left school at 15) the last ten of which were in pain from his back before he couldnt cope with it, and i gave up work when my second child was born and it became obvious he needed extra care. A lot of us are decent paople as well, and we have had to cope with overpayments for family credit being demanded back, the first bill was for £1200, we didnt know we were being overpaid, they worked out the payments and we didnt know any better, after a year they told us we owned them all that money back." Wholly understand all except the 2 cars bit, surely if you are not working, you dont need both, would it not help to sell one to pay back some of the family credit overpayment thereby decreasing perhaps the payment to them you have to make? | |||
"Also immoral is the millions that go unclaimed for those in need by the practice of misinforming claiments that are genuine and deserving.
Good job part of my job is to inform and help deserving people claim the benefits they are entitled to then isnt it!! I have no problem with people claiming benefits legally."its a shame you are not working in gloucester then as that way we might have a good contact to help those that really deserve benefits as opposed to it being given to those that can build a shed, mow the lawn but claim they cant walk far | |||
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"Zero tolerance for them to be honest. It is shocking, others knocking their pans in paying tax to fund those thieves. Jail everyone." If you ever want to be PM.....then you have my vote | |||
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"No I wouldn't report them, DWP would probably tell them who grassed them up and give my address. " Oh no Sassy, gone are those days. You can make a call in complete confidence of anonymity. It’s a bit like the CrimeStoppers line… but it’s not called ClaimStoppers.. they missed a trick there with the name. | |||
"yep,go after the benefit cheats.it's paramount to theft,but should'nt we be going after the tax evaders just as vigorously. tax evasion,costs the country,much more than benefit fraud,but nobody seems to bothered about it. is it ok,for the rich to steal,but not the poor. "This is exactly how I feel about it. As soon I see adverts in on the telly asking me to shop the tax evaders who cost the tax payer £20 billion a year as well as the benefit cheats who cost us £2 Billion a year, I'll begin to take the issue seriously | |||
"yep,go after the benefit cheats.it's paramount to theft,but should'nt we be going after the tax evaders just as vigorously. tax evasion,costs the country,much more than benefit fraud,but nobody seems to bothered about it. is it ok,for the rich to steal,but not the poor.
This is exactly how I feel about it.
As soon I see adverts in on the telly asking me to shop the tax evaders who cost the tax payer £20 billion a year as well as the benefit cheats who cost us £2 Billion a year, I'll begin to take the issue seriously"Aren't the benefit cheats also tax evaders if they are working cash in hand? | |||
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"Send EVERYONE to prison who buys 'cheap' rolling tobacco and cigarettes 'under the table' at their local pub, or out the boot of a car.....They cost the treasury between £2.5 billion and £3 billion a year in lost duty. Maybe a short spell in a prison cell would stop many of them moaning about benefits cheats. The trouble is many people break the law but think 'it's not that serious', but in truth they are every bit as bad as benefits cheats." Yeah can see ya point on the criminal aspect of that Jane But logically speaking if the system was watertight maybe the revenue lost through contraband wouldn't be missed so much And prices for everything including all VAT would be less?? xx | |||
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"I was out of a job for 3 weeks once in my life. I've had some crap jobs to tide me over, but I've never just sat on my arse and ate pot noodles till the next time I have to drag my carcase to the job centre. " NonConformistLikeU, Is that how you see everyone that is claiming ? | |||
"i know a few people that can be classed as benefit cheats, i would never grass them up, after all what crap would the government waste the extra money on? as far as i'm concerned the MP's that claim dodgy expenses are far worse. when a benefits cheat start spending thousands to clean their swimming pools then i may change my mind." One benefit cheat claims enough money in one year to clean a swimming pool twice over. Multiply that by thousands of cheats and the pot for the really deserving cases - you know poverty stricken people who need it - gets smaller and smaller. If everyone had this attitude the welfare system is going to break then there will be nothing for anyone in times of need. All cheating is wrong from the smallest fiddle to the largest one. It affects everyone who contributes into the system and those who need to ask for help in the future. This welfare benefit system was not set up for those who do not need the money. Nor is it a pot to buy luxuries like cable television, cars and foreign holidays that I know a lot of people on benefits can afford. Its to buy food and shelter and clothing in times of hardship. | |||
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"I was out of a job for 3 weeks once in my life. I've had some crap jobs to tide me over, but I've never just sat on my arse and ate pot noodles till the next time I have to drag my carcase to the job centre. NonConformistLikeU, Is that how you see everyone that is claiming ?" Of course there are genuine claimants. The OP asked about the morality of those claiming benefits while working who do not need it. Some people at the end of their tether who work hard and are bound to make inflammatory remarks about how they _iew some of the unemployed and its a fact that slackers are within society and their habits and lifestyle are there for all to see and comment on. I don't think any of us are silly enough to apply it to all on benefits - we never know when we will be in that situation ourselves, but feel angered that some openly abuse it thus reducing the pot for genuine claims. I have done the maths many a time and I don't know how anyone on benefits alone can have a decent standard of living that includes luxuries. So perhaps if these people on benefits who also display wealth (bling, cars etc) are such economic eggheads that can make 100 quid buy 500 quids worth of lifestyle should be advising the government on spending cuts? | |||
"I was out of a job for 3 weeks once in my life. I've had some crap jobs to tide me over, but I've never just sat on my arse and ate pot noodles till the next time I have to drag my carcase to the job centre. NonConformistLikeU, Is that how you see everyone that is claiming ? Of course there are genuine claimants. The OP asked about the morality of those claiming benefits while working who do not need it. Some people at the end of their tether who work hard and are bound to make inflammatory remarks about how they _iew some of the unemployed and its a fact that slackers are within society and their habits and lifestyle are there for all to see and comment on. I don't think any of us are silly enough to apply it to all on benefits - we never know when we will be in that situation ourselves, but feel angered that some openly abuse it thus reducing the pot for genuine claims. I have done the maths many a time and I don't know how anyone on benefits alone can have a decent standard of living that includes luxuries. So perhaps if these people on benefits who also display wealth (bling, cars etc) are such economic eggheads that can make 100 quid buy 500 quids worth of lifestyle should be advising the government on spending cuts? " I completely agree | |||
" Wholly understand all except the 2 cars bit, surely if you are not working, you dont need both, would it not help to sell one to pay back some of the family credit overpayment thereby decreasing perhaps the payment to them you have to make?" Its paid back now so thats not an issue, and yes we could do without 2 cars, almost impossible to get our lad on public transport though as crowds freak him out so we will hang onto one as long as possible. Actually (This is Mart now) mine has been sitting on the driveway untaxed and unused since before xmas, main reason we are keeping it ready to go is that I am waiting to take an IT proffesionals exam, and once thats done i should be able to get back into work pretty quickly, cant rely on finding a job easily accessible by public transport, often IT engineers are based out in units full of servers on industrial estates. Currently my battered old Suzuki Vitara owes me about £250 so hardly worth selling on compared to the convenience of being able to work anywhere.  | |||
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"I dislike grasses more" Me too. | |||
"I dislike grasses more Me too." ALL grasses? What about the grass who stops the paedophile from re-offending? Or the passer-by who recognises the c*nt who's just attacked your granny? | |||
"I dislike grasses more Me too. ALL grasses? What about the grass who stops the paedophile from re-offending? Or the passer-by who recognises the c*nt who's just attacked your granny?" Okay, you got me. Not all grasses. Just most of them  | |||
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"Personally I would stop there benefits for life why should we pay our taxes when you get work shy people who don’t want to work or scumbags who cheat the system this might sound nasty but they should stoop given them handout make them all work for the benefits 7 days a week voluntary, I know a woman who lives in our street she has a mobility car and a walking stick the other week she was going out with her friends no stick and 4 am she got out of the taxi dancing in the street people like her makes me fucking mad I wish I had the guts to grass but I don’t do grassing " Grass her for what? She is registered disabled, must be on the higher rate of DLA in order to have been given the Mobility car, you have no idea what her medical situation is. In short....you are guessing and making judgements made on your assumptions. | |||
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"Personally I would stop there benefits for life why should we pay our taxes when you get work shy people who don’t want to work or scumbags who cheat the system this might sound nasty but they should stoop given them handout make them all work for the benefits 7 days a week voluntary, I know a woman who lives in our street she has a mobility car and a walking stick the other week she was going out with her friends no stick and 4 am she got out of the taxi dancing in the street people like her makes me fucking mad I wish I had the guts to grass but I don’t do grassing Grass her for what? She is registered disabled, must be on the higher rate of DLA in order to have been given the Mobility car, you have no idea what her medical situation is. In short....you are guessing and making judgements made on your assumptions." Totally,it amazes me how quick ppl are to think the worst,she could have MS,couldnt u think,ohhh thats lovely she is in remission. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 03/03/11 13:48:45]" This oversized lady was bragging to her friends she has nothing wrong with her, and last summer she was in the garden drinking can of lager and boasting about how easy it was to screw the benefits so how that I made assumptions. If she boasting about screwing the system?????????Omg you don’t half get some people who are do gooders anyway cant be arsed with you cya blocked | |||
"Personally I would stop there benefits for life why should we pay our taxes when you get work shy people who don’t want to work or scumbags who cheat the system this might sound nasty but they should stoop given them handout make them all work for the benefits 7 days a week voluntary, I know a woman who lives in our street she has a mobility car and a walking stick the other week she was going out with her friends no stick and 4 am she got out of the taxi dancing in the street people like her makes me fucking mad I wish I had the guts to grass but I don’t do grassing Grass her for what? She is registered disabled, must be on the higher rate of DLA in order to have been given the Mobility car, you have no idea what her medical situation is. In short....you are guessing and making judgements made on your assumptions. Totally,it amazes me how quick ppl are to think the worst,she could have MS,couldnt u think,ohhh thats lovely she is in remission." ms lol i know she not ill she has the Lazyitis i think most of you rae benefit cheats to have ago what i have put into this forum i pay my tax and want it to go to needy people i.e oaps not scum who dont work | |||
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"Yeah ok.....whatever you say. Anecdotal evidence about benefit scroungers is rampant on here, they could write a book on the heresay of Fab Swingers." yeah what ever i say just for that i think i will dail the benefits hot line it might make me feel good yes i am a grass | |||
"Yeah ok.....whatever you say. Anecdotal evidence about benefit scroungers is rampant on here, they could write a book on the heresay of Fab Swingers.yeah what ever i say just for that i think i will dail the benefits hot line it might make me feel good yes i am a grass " Don't forget to tell them she was drinking a can of beer....might tip the balance | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 03/03/11 14:02:36]" Someone doesn't seem to have the courage of their convictions. | |||
"CHEAT is the word alright [albeit a bit soft IMHO, "Benefit Thief" ismore fitting and appropriate!] Unfortunatly there are thousands of them up, down and across the country! They need to be caught and stopped. If not, then why do we bother to go and work everyday to fund them?well said i agree somebody with brains " | |||
"CHEAT is the word alright [albeit a bit soft IMHO, "Benefit Thief" ismore fitting and appropriate!] Unfortunatly there are thousands of them up, down and across the country! They need to be caught and stopped. If not, then why do we bother to go and work everyday to fund them?well said i agree somebody with brains " If, as you say, it might make you feel good, why not do it. Moaning about a situation you feel so strongly about won't change anything. If it's that important to you - do something about it. | |||
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"Anecdotal evidence again.....no way of knowing the medical history or DLA history of these people. Otherwise known as Curtain Twitching" We should never allow such minor considerations as the truth get in the way of a (not very) good rant. | |||
"Anecdotal evidence again.....no way of knowing the medical history or DLA history of these people. Otherwise known as Curtain Twitching" Unless your a mind reader like most on here your never going to know unless you stalk them.And remember not all disabilities are physical so someone might look well but could have mental health problems. As Jane said earlier to qualify for mobility allowence is done by Doctors. My mom had it done and as the higher rate disability living allowance and attendance allowance. Sorry but they don't just hand it out you need to be examined by a Doctor from DWP. So not everyone on these benefits is on the take. There are some genuine ones who really need it. Get the facts straight please. | |||
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"have a friend with a daughter partly sighted, all she gets is carers allowance and thats it nothing else not even a blue badge as she can walk" and as for the blue badge again that is assessed they don't just hand them out. My mom gets one no she doesn't drive but her condition allows for one. So my dad is her carer and gets attendance allowance for that they also have the higher rate of disabilty allowance so that allows them to have a car. | |||
"have a friend with a daughter partly sighted, all she gets is carers allowance and thats it nothing else not even a blue badge as she can walk and as for the blue badge again that is assessed they don't just hand them out. My mom gets one no she doesn't drive but her condition allows for one. So my dad is her carer and gets attendance allowance for that they also have the higher rate of disabilty allowance so that allows them to have a car. " yep they are pretty tight on the blue badges, took us three years of no to get one fer me ol mam. She kept telling them she walked 3 miles to the shops and back and carried the shopping (that was when she was in her 40's - she's 88 now) bless her. | |||
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"yep,go after the benefit cheats.it's paramount to theft,but should'nt we be going after the tax evaders just as vigorously. tax evasion,costs the country,much more than benefit fraud,but nobody seems to bothered about it. is it ok,for the rich to steal,but not the poor.
This is exactly how I feel about it.
As soon I see adverts in on the telly asking me to shop the tax evaders who cost the tax payer £20 billion a year as well as the benefit cheats who cost us £2 Billion a year, I'll begin to take the issue seriously
Aren't the benefit cheats also tax evaders if they are working cash in hand?"you seem to have,a bit of a hard on,for benefit cheats polo. anyone stealing money from the country.poor or rich.should be prosecuted it seems strange,you want those stealing the least.to be hunted down and prosecuted the most.hmmmm | |||
".............Am I wrong for claiming for money that I am entilted to?" Nobody is wrong for claiming what they're entitled to. | |||
"yep,go after the benefit cheats.it's paramount to theft,but should'nt we be going after the tax evaders just as vigorously. tax evasion,costs the country,much more than benefit fraud,but nobody seems to bothered about it. is it ok,for the rich to steal,but not the poor.
the powers that be will not chase the high earning tax evaders , they will keep these loopholes open for their own benefit!
on another line , im a self employed bloke and whenever i go to peoples houses to price work they all ask the cash price...yes thats all you teachers policemen and butchers bakers and candle stick makers...is that also not robbing the system?...were all guilty to some degree but we do agree that pure benefit cheats should be strung up
do em both........ " | |||
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"I think it's depends on the Council as the blue badge is issued by your district council. Must admit they have been great " Glasgow's rules are "3.1 Automatic criteria You will automatically receive a Blue Badge on application if you: receive the higher rate of the mobility component of Disability Living Allowance are registered blind receive a War Pensioner's Mobility Supplement have a vehicle supplied through the Motability Scheme 3.2 Discretionary criteria If you do not automatically qualify for a Blue Badge, you may be entitled to a Badge under the discretionary criteria if your disability causes inability to walk or very considerable difficulty in walking. New Scottish Executive regulations on 1 April 2007 introduced a new category for people with a temporary mobility impairment which makes it impossible or unreasonably difficult to walk and which is likely to last for a period of at least 12 months. You will be required to provide additional medical information from your doctor for a discretionary application." It may be different elsewhere. | |||
" Aren't the benefit cheats also tax evaders if they are working cash in hand? you seem to have,a bit of a hard on,for benefit cheats polo. anyone stealing money from the country.poor or rich.should be prosecuted it seems strange,you want those stealing the least.to be hunted down and prosecuted the most.hmmmm "Strange it is indeed. It's almost as if being wealthy enough to worry about tax avoidance is somehow aspirational whilst being in a position to have to rely on benefits is possibly contageous and, in time, might affect them. Whilst on the subject of strange, it never ceases to amaze me that tens (hundreds?) of thousands who claim to be prepared to take to the barricades over a few pence on the price of a gallon of fuel or VAT going up to 20% are often the first in line at the lottery terminal 2 or 3 times week or can't wait to pay their £30-£40 every weekend to make the Rooneys of this world even wealthier than they already are. | |||
"yep,go after the benefit cheats.it's paramount to theft,but should'nt we be going after the tax evaders just as vigorously. tax evasion,costs the country,much more than benefit fraud,but nobody seems to bothered about it. is it ok,for the rich to steal,but not the poor.
This is exactly how I feel about it.
As soon I see adverts in on the telly asking me to shop the tax evaders who cost the tax payer £20 billion a year as well as the benefit cheats who cost us £2 Billion a year, I'll begin to take the issue seriously
Aren't the benefit cheats also tax evaders if they are working cash in hand?
you seem to have,a bit of a hard on,for benefit cheats polo.
anyone stealing money from the country.poor or rich.should be prosecuted
it seems strange,you want those stealing the least.to be hunted down and prosecuted the most.hmmmm "I don't see where I say others should be let off for ripping off the system... whichever one? However, as it is a question about finding something out on a meet... it is unlikely you will uncover many cases of tax evasion and off-shore investment scams over a cuppa. | |||
" Wholly understand all except the 2 cars bit, surely if you are not working, you dont need both, would it not help to sell one to pay back some of the family credit overpayment thereby decreasing perhaps the payment to them you have to make? Its paid back now so thats not an issue, and yes we could do without 2 cars, almost impossible to get our lad on public transport though as crowds freak him out so we will hang onto one as long as possible. Actually (This is Mart now) mine has been sitting on the driveway untaxed and unused since before xmas, main reason we are keeping it ready to go is that I am waiting to take an IT proffesionals exam, and once thats done i should be able to get back into work pretty quickly, cant rely on finding a job easily accessible by public transport, often IT engineers are based out in units full of servers on industrial estates. Currently my battered old Suzuki Vitara owes me about £250 so hardly worth selling on compared to the convenience of being able to work anywhere. "Now that makes sense and i hope you pass your course
A shame some people though are not more tolerant of disabilities though but at least in a car, youve no need to worry about what people say | |||
"So you arrange a meet, turn up, have a chat and at some point find out your meet claims unemplyment benefits but earns a fair bit more than the odd tenner cash in hand. Would you report them? Woud it make a difference what they did to make the cash in hand money? Would it make a difference whether you clicked or not? Would it make a difference whether you had a bonk or not?" no i wouldnt report them, nut i think it would make a difference to how i _iewed them and wether we had a bonk or not i work my bollocks off as a single mum looking after one school age child and paying two teenagers thro uni and it fucks me off when people are taking tax payers money when they are working as well what state would the country be in if we all did that? | |||
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"i think the question to ask yourself is why would you grass on them, is it because you work for what you have and they dont? or you realy think that if they weren't getting that money then the government would be reducing taxes? .........." As I said last night "I'm not so much concerned about how they earned the money assuming everything, apart from the DWP knowing, is legal. It's more about how they spend the money. Someone struggling to keep a roof over their heads, put food in their bairns' mouths or pay off debts that maybe weren't of their making is one thing. Someone injecting it up their arm, snorting it up their nose or chucking it down their throat while sunning themselves in Tenerife half the year is altogether different." So no, I don't imagine shopping a 'benefit cheat' will bring down the amount of tax I pay. Benefit cheating is always wrong. It's just that sometimes it's understandable. Tax evasion is always wrong but it's never understandable. | |||
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"yeah........ it is the system that is at fault and not the people who are 'signing on' saying they aren't working and then sneaking off to get cash in hand payments.. and obviously the employers who are paying them, they are also totally at fault. These poor claimants must so very confused and bewildered at why they are put in such an awful predicament OF FORCED WRONG DOING.. as for those tax payers only paying 20%, 40% & 50% of their total earnings.. greedy selfish bastards they are.. up the taxes and give more to these bewildered fools........ because people will always find reasons to deflect the blame.. usually... the teachers the social workers the government the police the local council the big bosses the fat cats anyone and everyone else..... APART FROM THE PERSON HIM/HERSELF TAKING OWNERSHIP AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING IN LIFE AND STAYING WITHIN THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY." {Whistles loudly, clapping & cheering} Woooooo! Yeah! Go that man. Bang on! Best post I've read in here in a long while. | |||
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"Also immoral is the millions that go unclaimed for those in need by the practice of misinforming claiments that are genuine and deserving.
Good job part of my job is to inform and help deserving people claim the benefits they are entitled to then isnt it!! I have no problem with people claiming benefits legally.
its a shame you are not working in gloucester then as that way we might have a good contact to help those that really deserve benefits as opposed to it being given to those that can build a shed, mow the lawn but claim they cant walk far "More than happy to help if I can - private message me if you want to discuss it xx | |||
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"Agree with you View, it is only the people cheating benefits who are to blame.....when they are caught they should be dealt with accordingly. But.....this whole culture of people spouting out unsubstantiated, anecdotal rot about people they (supposedly) know of who are only pretending to be disabled...or who was standing in the jobcentre and heard someone boasting to all and sundry that they are proud to cheat the system, or who they have 'witnessed' walking out of the jobcentre and getting into a brand new BMW.....is sickening to the stomach. It's all done to stoke up public opinion about those on benefits using 'evidence' that is often full of half truths or hearsay. Going for the throat of the weakest in our society is shameful, particularly as many of these 'witnesses' are in all likelyhood guilty themselves of minor crimes and tax evasion that they see as irrelevant. I would like to see people being honest on here for once and owning up to tax evasion or duty evasion themselves, considering that up to 75% of all rolling tobacco and 30% of all cigarettes are brought without paying UK duty..... I won't hold my breath though" I`ll keep my gag reflex under control whilst I witness the hypocrisy all around me .... | |||
"Agree with you View, it is only the people cheating benefits who are to blame.....when they are caught they should be dealt with accordingly. But.....this whole culture of people spouting out unsubstantiated, anecdotal rot about people they (supposedly) know of who are only pretending to be disabled...or who was standing in the jobcentre and heard someone boasting to all and sundry that they are proud to cheat the system, or who they have 'witnessed' walking out of the jobcentre and getting into a brand new BMW.....is sickening to the stomach. It's all done to stoke up public opinion about those on benefits using 'evidence' that is often full of half truths or hearsay. Going for the throat of the weakest in our society is shameful, particularly as many of these 'witnesses' are in all likelyhood guilty themselves of minor crimes and tax evasion that they see as irrelevant. I would like to see people being honest on here for once and owning up to tax evasion or duty evasion themselves, considering that up to 75% of all rolling tobacco and 30% of all cigarettes are brought without paying UK duty..... I won't hold my breath though I`ll keep my gag reflex under control whilst I witness the hypocrisy all around me ...." Witness above then or is that not good enough? | |||
"I would like to see people being honest on here for once and owning up to tax evasion or duty evasion themselves, considering that up to 75% of all rolling tobacco and 30% of all cigarettes are brought without paying UK duty....." If those figures could be substantiated then HMC&R would know precisely who, when and where and would be able to catch them. Wouldn't they? I mean, how can you put a figure on undetectable crime? | |||
" Witness above then or is that not good enough?" It wasn`t aimed at any individual poster gal.....if I had anything to say to an individual I`d say it clearly ... | |||
"Well i shall stand up and be counted and admit to buying knock off cigarettes, i once worked, claimed some benefits but also cleaned an old mans house for a fiver a week and didnt tell anyone, in my defence, my ex, their dad was an alcoholic and when he left us, his parting gift was thousands of pounds of debt that i had to pay because he put everything in my name unbeknown to me, that includes almost getting us evicted because of lies he told to claim money from a college course he did. So forgive me for trying to bring up 2 kids on my own, on a part time wage with no help from him and this was all before tax credits. As to other comments ive made, i work for a housing association, im not making up any of what i have said i just cannot say more, afterall he could be on here couldnt he "Holding hands up to recieving "knocked off fags"  | |||
"Agree with you View, it is only the people cheating benefits who are to blame.....when they are caught they should be dealt with accordingly. But.....this whole culture of people spouting out unsubstantiated, anecdotal rot about people they (supposedly) know of who are only pretending to be disabled...or who was standing in the jobcentre and heard someone boasting to all and sundry that they are proud to cheat the system, or who they have 'witnessed' walking out of the jobcentre and getting into a brand new BMW.....is sickening to the stomach. It's all done to stoke up public opinion about those on benefits using 'evidence' that is often full of half truths or hearsay. Going for the throat of the weakest in our society is shameful, particularly as many of these 'witnesses' are in all likelyhood guilty themselves of minor crimes and tax evasion that they see as irrelevant. I would like to see people being honest on here for once and owning up to tax evasion or duty evasion themselves, considering that up to 75% of all rolling tobacco and 30% of all cigarettes are brought without paying UK duty..... I won't hold my breath though I`ll keep my gag reflex under control whilst I witness the hypocrisy all around me ...." shit ! we better take up smoking to feel the benefits of evading taxes | |||
"I would like to see people being honest on here for once and owning up to tax evasion or duty evasion themselves, considering that up to 75% of all rolling tobacco and 30% of all cigarettes are brought without paying UK duty..... If those figures could be substantiated then HMC&R would know precisely who, when and where and would be able to catch them. Wouldn't they? I mean, how can you put a figure on undetectable crime?" EXACTLY the same as benefit fraud Wishy...if the government know exactly how much it is costing the treasury and who is doing it....they should be arrested like the duty evaders. When government Treasury departments talk tax evasion, duty evasion or benefit fraud they can NEVER substantiate the figures. | |||
" Witness above then or is that not good enough? It wasn`t aimed at any individual poster gal.....if I had anything to say to an individual I`d say it clearly ..." Yes i know but i wanted to say that i am quite happy to be counted and admit i did something i shouldnt and why  | |||
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"I would like to see people being honest on here for once and owning up to tax evasion or duty evasion themselves, considering that up to 75% of all rolling tobacco and 30% of all cigarettes are brought without paying UK duty..... If those figures could be substantiated then HMC&R would know precisely who, when and where and would be able to catch them. Wouldn't they? I mean, how can you put a figure on undetectable crime? EXACTLY the same as benefit fraud Wishy...if the government know exactly how much it is costing the treasury and who is doing it....they should be arrested like the duty evaders. When government Treasury departments talk tax evasion, duty evasion or benefit fraud they can NEVER substantiate the figures. " Well, yeah, the same applies. If they KNOW the true cost then they must KNOW who is perpetrating it. So it's all soundbites really, isn't it? | |||
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" Well, yeah, the same applies. If they KNOW the true cost then they must KNOW who is perpetrating it. So it's all soundbites really, isn't it?" It is Wishy, governments of all political persuasion in the UK have in the past, and will in the future, use figures as scare tactics or to wind up the electorate.... They are professional manipulators Times are hard, people are getting shafted all over the country, but by highlighting benefit fraud the government (and previous governments) will try to persuade the electorate that benefit fraud is the big enemy of the people......it is a big enemy, but they don't want us to know it isn't the BIGGEST by a long way. | |||
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" Witness above then or is that not good enough? It wasn`t aimed at any individual poster gal.....if I had anything to say to an individual I`d say it clearly ... Yes i know but i wanted to say that i am quite happy to be counted and admit i did something i shouldnt and why "Bless you ....my reply was unintentionally harsh ...I didn`t intend it that way ....sorry ...and yes alot of us if we`re honest ...look after ourselves in some ways that avoid the true cost of living ....especially in times of hardship .. | |||
" Well, yeah, the same applies. If they KNOW the true cost then they must KNOW who is perpetrating it. So it's all soundbites really, isn't it? It is Wishy, governments of all political persuasion in the UK have in the past, and will in the future, use figures as scare tactics or to wind up the electorate.... They are professional manipulators Times are hard, people are getting shafted all over the country, but by highlighting benefit fraud the government (and previous governments) will try to persuade the electorate that benefit fraud is the big enemy of the people......it is a big enemy, but they don't want us to know it isn't the BIGGEST by a long way." Very true when the government start spouting figures i never believe them | |||
" Well, yeah, the same applies. If they KNOW the true cost then they must KNOW who is perpetrating it. So it's all soundbites really, isn't it? It is Wishy, governments of all political persuasion in the UK have in the past, and will in the future, use figures as scare tactics or to wind up the electorate.... They are professional manipulators Times are hard, people are getting shafted all over the country, but by highlighting benefit fraud the government (and previous governments) will try to persuade the electorate that benefit fraud is the big enemy of the people......it is a big enemy, but they don't want us to know it isn't the BIGGEST by a long way." Well said ...its been like it for so long ....I think people have forgotten the truth amidst the spin .... Its the distorted social values applied to various cheats ...some called scum ....others tacitly accepted...thats irks me and others What also saddens and angers me is peeps coming on to the thread ...struggling to defend their dignity in the face of stigma thats so widespread ....some of the posts on here are despicably bigoted... | |||
"What about the likes of Philip Green from Topshop who pays nothing in taxes as all his buisnesses are in his wifes name who lives in tax exile. He get away with that so does Sean Connery. No that winds me up they are loaded and still won't pay." Exactly, and its only in recent years that the Queen started paying tax. Mind you she didn't offer, they had to get her arm up her back first!
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"Why do people counter-argue in favour of benefit cheats by saying tax evasion costs this country more. They're both robbing the honest hardworking taxpayer blind and they should all be strung up by their tits or their balls until they scream for mercy. I see no distinction between the two. They are both breaking the law." I dont see anyone arguing in favour of benefit cheats (might have missed it tho). Quite a few people have put it into appropriate perspective tho | |||
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"yeah........ it is the system that is at fault and not the people who are 'signing on' saying they aren't working and then sneaking off to get cash in hand payments.. and obviously the employers who are paying them, they are also totally at fault. These poor claimants must so very confused and bewildered at why they are put in such an awful predicament OF FORCED WRONG DOING.. as for those tax payers only paying 20%, 40% & 50% of their total earnings.. greedy selfish bastards they are.. up the taxes and give more to these bewildered fools........ because people will always find reasons to deflect the blame.. usually... the teachers the social workers the government the police the local council the big bosses the fat cats anyone and everyone else..... APART FROM THE PERSON HIM/HERSELF TAKING OWNERSHIP AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING IN LIFE AND STAYING WITHIN THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY." I owe you a pint. | |||
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"What do we start with? " The freephone number. | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number." Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number." you know the rules. no phone numbers.tut tut tut. | |||
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"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... " Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things. | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... " barclays paid less than 2%,tax on over 11 billion pounds profits. hmmm some people seem to think this is acceptable practice. i say pursue all who are cheating. | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things." Lol I wouldn`t say this social anarchist doesn`t care about yer community ...anything but .... I`d tear down the cctc cameras ..use the 500 million putting bobbies on the beat ....and implement restorative justice .....at all levels .... | |||
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"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things." eh so now all benefit cheats are,muggers and vandals. a bit sweeping,especially from you polo. i have also heard people boast,about how they evade tax. whats the hotline number,pm me and i'll give it a call. | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things. eh so now all benefit cheats are,muggers and vandals. a bit sweeping,especially from you polo. i have also heard people boast,about how they evade tax. whats the hotline number,pm me and i'll give it a call." Ermmmm did I say that? I think you'll find I didn't did I? I am following the arguement presented by some other people (all be it with sarcasm).... If we shouldn't be concerned with benefit cheats because there are companies out there evading tax (which isn't actually breaking any rules in many cases)... then may be we should not have any concern with other low cost crime. | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things. eh so now all benefit cheats are,muggers and vandals. a bit sweeping,especially from you polo. i have also heard people boast,about how they evade tax. whats the hotline number,pm me and i'll give it a call." Benefit cheats are the underclass...neerdowells ...bane of all evil ..fusty nuts wid no kernel ...Judas own children ....Beezelbubs spawn .....I`m kidding on ....wheres the same negative language to describe organisations that contribute diddly shit to the social harmony in our society ...none ...instead we laud and venerate rugged individualism at the corperate level ....double standards et al... Seriously I`ve no time fer the exploiter whatever their ilk ....but jeez ...some perspective please... I`ve never presented an arguement suggesting that two wrongs make a right ...thats irredeemably stupid ..the arguement I would present is the values inherent in society ...better made by others than myself possibly ... Although its rather unwise to take that arguement in isolation ....restorative justice of ALL cheats and fiddlers would go along way to reclaiming faith and trust etc blah blah .. | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things. eh so now all benefit cheats are,muggers and vandals. a bit sweeping,especially from you polo. i have also heard people boast,about how they evade tax. whats the hotline number,pm me and i'll give it a call. Ermmmm did I say that? I think you'll find I didn't did I? I am following the arguement presented by some other people (all be it with sarcasm).... If we shouldn't be concerned with benefit cheats because there are companies out there evading tax (which isn't actually breaking any rules in many cases)... then may be we should not have any concern with other low cost crime." theres a long way between benefit fraud,and mugging and vandalism. i recognised it as sarcasm,with a strong inference. they may not be braking any rules,in many cases,but in many cases,they are breaking the rules. and as such should be pursued as vigorously,as any one else breaking the rules. you shouldnt be exempt,because you are rich. | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things. eh so now all benefit cheats are,muggers and vandals. a bit sweeping,especially from you polo. i have also heard people boast,about how they evade tax. whats the hotline number,pm me and i'll give it a call. Ermmmm did I say that? I think you'll find I didn't did I? I am following the arguement presented by some other people (all be it with sarcasm).... If we shouldn't be concerned with benefit cheats because there are companies out there evading tax (which isn't actually breaking any rules in many cases)... then may be we should not have any concern with other low cost crime. theres a long way between benefit fraud,and mugging and vandalism. i recognised it as sarcasm,with a strong inference. they may not be braking any rules,in many cases,but in many cases,they are breaking the rules. and as such should be pursued as vigorously,as any one else breaking the rules. you shouldnt be exempt,because you are rich. " I don't argue with that. But on a meet over a cuppa how many international business leaders are going to discuss their corporate tax payments? | |||
"What do we start with? The freephone number. Yep ....how about we all make 50 bogus calls to the hotline and give the bastards summat to do ....instant investigations .... While Barclays can have 120 holding companies in offshore tax havens ....and suchlike where investigations are deemed not in the public interest .... This all came about ..by wealthy unscruplous organisations exploiting the poor with dodgy mortgages .....the world goes tits up ....capitalism nearly fails .....and then we get the poor to pay to clean up the fucking mess ..while the wealthy get us to look at each other ..done fucking deal .... Yeah whilst the big companies avoid tax we should not care.... if the mugger only gets £20 off of you or the yobs only kick down £40 quids worth of fence... it's peanuts in the grand scheme of things. eh so now all benefit cheats are,muggers and vandals. a bit sweeping,especially from you polo. i have also heard people boast,about how they evade tax. whats the hotline number,pm me and i'll give it a call. Ermmmm did I say that? I think you'll find I didn't did I? I am following the arguement presented by some other people (all be it with sarcasm).... If we shouldn't be concerned with benefit cheats because there are companies out there evading tax (which isn't actually breaking any rules in many cases)... then may be we should not have any concern with other low cost crime. theres a long way between benefit fraud,and mugging and vandalism. i recognised it as sarcasm,with a strong inference. they may not be braking any rules,in many cases,but in many cases,they are breaking the rules. and as such should be pursued as vigorously,as any one else breaking the rules. you shouldnt be exempt,because you are rich. I don't argue with that. But on a meet over a cuppa how many international business leaders are going to discuss their corporate tax payments?" it was over a cuppa,a lot of them would have got their information,on how to avoid tax. likely some whilst swinging. as likely as,a benefit cheat confessing all.over a cuppa on a meet. | |||
" it was over a cuppa,a lot of them would have got their information,on how to avoid tax. likely some whilst swinging. as likely as,a benefit cheat confessing all.over a cuppa on a meet." I doubt it, corporate taxation is a complex issue... they employ experts on international tax laws to find the best deals. I don't see why it would be so unlikely for a meet to let slip how they earn cash in hand money... there are a few who have not been that bothered about letting it slip in the forums... and I don't mean this thread. | |||
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