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"I don;t see why it should. Criticism of Israeli foreign and domestic policy has nothing to do with the Holocaust " this.. anyone alluding to the justified criticism in Israel's treatment of the Palestinians post 1948 as being anti semitic is playing the deflection game.. | |||
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"I don;t see why it should. Criticism of Israeli foreign and domestic policy has nothing to do with the Holocaust " Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group. The holocaust was a result of anti semitism. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. " Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. " Apologist bingo card at the ready. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. " Labour are now seen as the party that anti Semites flock to. Corbyn is largely responsible for this as he continually fails to address the problem. Maybe it's because he holds such beliefs, his brother certainly does. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. " Just been into Ladbrokes to get odds. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. " Or they should after due process if found to be in breach etc be thrown out, innocent until proven guilty and all that good English law stuff.. Yes there is something going on and strong leadership is required to eradicate it as its wrong.. Meltdown is hysterical hyperbole perhaps from those who support other parties who have also had and still do have their own issues.. or when its UKIP and racists within is it 'only the odd bad apple' or when its the Tories and bullying which led to the death of a young conservative is it an 'isolated incident'.. | |||
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"Didn't that MP suggest moving Israel to the USA on her Facebook? I'm surprised it's only just come out. If you're going to serve the public you don't post that kind of view. " how she was allowed to stand as a candidate is puzzling given some things she has said.. | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE]" I am no right winger but livingstone is an odious man. He has been accused of anti semitism for years and even his own colleagues call him a nazi sympathiser. He ridiculed a fellow party member for his mental illness. If there's a bigger cunt in English politics I'm yet to encounter them. | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE]" Right wingers don't need to, Labour MP's are lining up to dance in his flaming corpse. | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE] Right wingers don't need to, Labour MP's are lining up to dance in his flaming corpse. " all part of getting rid of Corbyn for some, think its time for Ken to head off to his pond and look after his newts.. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. Or they should after due process if found to be in breach etc be thrown out, innocent until proven guilty and all that good English law stuff.. Yes there is something going on and strong leadership is required to eradicate it as its wrong.. Meltdown is hysterical hyperbole perhaps from those who support other parties who have also had and still do have their own issues.. or when its UKIP and racists within is it 'only the odd bad apple' or when its the Tories and bullying which led to the death of a young conservative is it an 'isolated incident'.. " Say what you like about UKIP, at least they throw people out the party when they step out of line, unlike Labour who only offer suspensions. If you watch the footage on sky news of Ken Livingstone's and John Mann's bust up then Meltdown seems very appropriate. Also just saw David Cameron speaking on this, he says anti semitism is just like racism, and it is now very clear that Labour has a problem with anti semitism in its party. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. Or they should after due process if found to be in breach etc be thrown out, innocent until proven guilty and all that good English law stuff.. Yes there is something going on and strong leadership is required to eradicate it as its wrong.. Meltdown is hysterical hyperbole perhaps from those who support other parties who have also had and still do have their own issues.. or when its UKIP and racists within is it 'only the odd bad apple' or when its the Tories and bullying which led to the death of a young conservative is it an 'isolated incident'.. Say what you like about UKIP, at least they throw people out the party when they step out of line, unlike Labour who only offer suspensions. If you watch the footage on sky news of Ken Livingstone's and John Mann's bust up then Meltdown seems very appropriate. Also just saw David Cameron speaking on this, he says anti semitism is just like racism, and it is now very clear that Labour has a problem with anti semitism in its party. " And rightly so although not sure UKIP can be held as a shining light of democracy with the shambles of Farrage and the now suspended Suzanne Evans.. the amount of other Labour MP's who are calling for action indicates yes there is an issue which requires action so meltdown is again hysterical hyperbole.. Cameron? ffs what else would he say in relation to it, something objective..? | |||
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"Where's Corbyn?" Invisible on the EU debate, invisible on dealing with anti semitism in the Labour party. | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE] I am no right winger but livingstone is an odious man. He has been accused of anti semitism for years and even his own colleagues call him a nazi sympathiser. He ridiculed a fellow party member for his mental illness. If there's a bigger cunt in English politics I'm yet to encounter them. " What do you mean? That guy who set up the (DIS)RESPECT party!!!  | |||
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"Israel is doing to the Palestinians what they claim nazi Germany did to the Jews during ww2."  | |||
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"Israel is doing to the Palestinians what they claim nazi Germany did to the Jews during ww2." Is that you Jeremy? | |||
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"Israel is doing to the Palestinians what they claim nazi Germany did to the Jews during ww2." Please explain how. The Jewish population in Eastern Europe was decimated by Germany and the numbers are not up to what they were pre war. The Palestinian population has gradually risen since the inception of Israel so your post is very inaccurate. | |||
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"Israel is doing to the Palestinians what they claim nazi Germany did to the Jews during ww2." Claim ? Is holocaust denial a crime in this country ? | |||
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"Israel is doing to the Palestinians what they claim nazi Germany did to the Jews during ww2." not a fan of some of the actions by Israel in their treatment of others but for you to make that association is ignorant quite frankly.. | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people." but nor is it industrialised genocide.. | |||
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"P.S. Was it very naive of me to think someone was going to Israel on holiday and was looking for clubs / fellow fabbers? It is the only reason I clicked on it... "We are going to Israel in the summer. There are clubs in Tel Aviv
Criticism of the State of Israel and Zionism has a firm base amongst British Jews. The line between that argument and anti-semitism is sometimes a difficult one to define - but I think Ken's 9 lives are up.
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people." So the holocaust is only a claim by Jewish people not a fact ? | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.." Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948 | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948" source? | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ?" Nope. Hard to justify what that state keeps doing. Sorry. Impossible. Until the Arab Spring I'd have said if the world could have sorted Israel out then that would have been the end of a lot of probelms. A LOT. | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948" Absolute poppycock. | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948" Nope. | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948" The official figure of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces stands at just over 4000. So your figure is very inaccurate. | |||
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"Balfour declaration The truth will set you free...but first it will seriously piss you off" someone did once say the truth is out there.. but you have to look at the actual truth and not one which you make up to bolster ones position.. not a fan of some of Israel's policies post 48 but to say they've killed 6 million Palestinian's is ludicrous and only serves to diminish any valid points you make about that state.. | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948 The official figure of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces stands at just over 4000. So your figure is very inaccurate. " I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948 The official figure of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces stands at just over 4000. So your figure is very inaccurate. I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. " Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948 The official figure of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces stands at just over 4000. So your figure is very inaccurate. I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. " That figure includes Palestinians killed by British forces , the Syrian , Jordanian and Lebanese army , and even Palestinians killed by the PLO. | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948 The official figure of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces stands at just over 4000. So your figure is very inaccurate. I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories)" You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. | |||
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"Venture away from the mainstream media and go down a rabbit hole into the darknet...The truth is down there if you are brave enough" the dark web is horrible why would anyone go there lol | |||
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"If you do some research you'll see what I'm talking about...and it's not anti Semitic when they are murdering innocent people. but nor is it industrialised genocide.. Nearly 6 million Palestinians killed since 1948 The official figure of Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces stands at just over 4000. So your figure is very inaccurate. I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. " Yep - for the period 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 only | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. " I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. " So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. " Stop being so anti-semitic.. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ?" You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? | |||
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"I don;t see why it should. Criticism of Israeli foreign and domestic policy has nothing to do with the Holocaust Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group. The holocaust was a result of anti semitism. " And does that justify the genocide that the Israeli state has been responsible for decades? | |||
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"I don;t see why it should. Criticism of Israeli foreign and domestic policy has nothing to do with the Holocaust Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group. The holocaust was a result of anti semitism. And does that justify the genocide that the Israeli state has been responsible for decades?" See the figures above. Genocide is an exaggeration on a massive scale. The Palestinian population grows year on year, that is not the definition of genocide. | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ?" Ask the Labour Party  | |||
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"I don;t see why it should. Criticism of Israeli foreign and domestic policy has nothing to do with the Holocaust Antisemitism is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group. The holocaust was a result of anti semitism. And does that justify the genocide that the Israeli state has been responsible for decades? See the figures above. Genocide is an exaggeration on a massive scale. The Palestinian population grows year on year, that is not the definition of genocide. " It's not genocide, admittedly; just barbaric. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor?" Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. " Don't believe the lies...Palestine doesn't even have an army. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. Don't believe the lies...Palestine doesn't even have an army." You don't need an army to fire a missile. | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE] I am no right winger but livingstone is an odious man. He has been accused of anti semitism for years and even his own colleagues call him a nazi sympathiser. He ridiculed a fellow party member for his mental illness. If there's a bigger cunt in English politics I'm yet to encounter them. " I see your cunt and a raise you a George Galloway | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE] I am no right winger but livingstone is an odious man. He has been accused of anti semitism for years and even his own colleagues call him a nazi sympathiser. He ridiculed a fellow party member for his mental illness. If there's a bigger cunt in English politics I'm yet to encounter them. I see your cunt and a raise you a George Galloway " Another anti semite so apt for this thread. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. " And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE] I am no right winger but livingstone is an odious man. He has been accused of anti semitism for years and even his own colleagues call him a nazi sympathiser. He ridiculed a fellow party member for his mental illness. If there's a bigger cunt in English politics I'm yet to encounter them. I see your cunt and a raise you a George Galloway Another anti semite so apt for this thread. " Any critic if Israel is labelled as an anti semite. A very weak argument | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... " So the firing of missiles is justified ? | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE] I am no right winger but livingstone is an odious man. He has been accused of anti semitism for years and even his own colleagues call him a nazi sympathiser. He ridiculed a fellow party member for his mental illness. If there's a bigger cunt in English politics I'm yet to encounter them. I see your cunt and a raise you a George Galloway Another anti semite so apt for this thread. " You're right there :/ | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ?" If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? | |||
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"[RIGHT-WINGERS LINE UP HERE TO DANCE ON LIVINGSTONE'S FLAMING CORPSE] I am no right winger but livingstone is an odious man. He has been accused of anti semitism for years and even his own colleagues call him a nazi sympathiser. He ridiculed a fellow party member for his mental illness. If there's a bigger cunt in English politics I'm yet to encounter them. I see your cunt and a raise you a George Galloway Another anti semite so apt for this thread. Any critic if Israel is labelled as an anti semite. A very weak argument" Galloway is not just a critic of Israel he is quoted as saying Israel should be wiped of the face of the earth and he tried to ban an Israeli from his constituency so not so weak after all. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ? If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? " Did you support the IRA's tactic of bombing England and mustering their solders, police and prison guards ? | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ? If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? Did you support the IRA's tactic of bombing England and mustering their solders, police and prison guards ?" Murdering not mustering | |||
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"You don't need an army to fire a missile. " Too true unfortunately. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ? If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? " No | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ? If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? Did you support the IRA's tactic of bombing England and mustering their solders, police and prison guards ?" The IRA were/are a percentage of a population; not all of the population and Northern Ireland was divided by religious ethos..Israel has consistently taken land from Palestine, imposed stop and search controls on people leaving the territory of Palestine and turned the west bank and gaza into virtual ghettos..... sound familiar? I don't condone violence or "terrorism" but if the international community turns a blind eye to flagrant disregards of sovereignty, then how should a nation defend and hold its land?? Google the maps, people lie, maps of expanding territories do not. | |||
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"So the firing of missiles is justified ? would you fire rockets from the Midlands? " Totally undetectable launch pads could be built in the East Midlands as it's only slightly smaller than Asia  | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ?" No. And I think the some of the Jewish community should be more humble and remember their history. They're occupying land that doesn't belong to them | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. " How many have they had back though, the way i see it, for every missile they fire in to israel they get 100 back and tanks rolling in. They're a fucking disgrace, backed by the usa and all kinds of anti semitism laws. | |||
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. " I. Not a fan of Livingstone, but he was on his mobile talking to LBC Radio, when he was barged upon whilst speaking to the nation on his phone | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ? If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? Did you support the IRA's tactic of bombing England and mustering their solders, police and prison guards ? The IRA were/are a percentage of a population; not all of the population and Northern Ireland was divided by religious ethos..Israel has consistently taken land from Palestine, imposed stop and search controls on people leaving the territory of Palestine and turned the west bank and gaza into virtual ghettos..... sound familiar? I don't condone violence or "terrorism" but if the international community turns a blind eye to flagrant disregards of sovereignty, then how should a nation defend and hold its land?? Google the maps, people lie, maps of expanding territories do not." How far back in time should I take the map search ? | |||
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" How far back in time should I take the map search? Either 1967 (when the UN ratified the land gained from the 6 day war) or 1948 when the state of Israel was created (68% of the former Palestine).... your choice... it won't change the fact that; Israel is the only country to never have declared "official" borders and that they continue to take land from Palestine and cry foul if the people they take from wish to defend it.. " But other borders existed long before this. Many Jewish holy sites are far into other territories. The Israelis owned this land long before anyone else. | |||
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"Has anybody read the statement from the momentum group (Bradford I think) where they are trying to claim that this situation has been engineered by the Israeli government to try to topple Corbyn?" LOL, | |||
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"Has anybody read the statement from the momentum group (Bradford I think) where they are trying to claim that this situation has been engineered by the Israeli government to try to topple Corbyn? LOL, "Almost as delusional as your average kipper | |||
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"Has anybody read the statement from the momentum group (Bradford I think) where they are trying to claim that this situation has been engineered by the Israeli government to try to topple Corbyn? LOL, "Where is Edwalu? Sounds like something they would come out with. | |||
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" How far back in time should I take the map search? Either 1967 (when the UN ratified the land gained from the 6 day war) or 1948 when the state of Israel was created (68% of the former Palestine).... your choice... it won't change the fact that; Israel is the only country to never have declared "official" borders and that they continue to take land from Palestine and cry foul if the people they take from wish to defend it.. But other borders existed long before this. Many Jewish holy sites are far into other territories. The Israelis owned this land long before anyone else." Even the High Court of justice in Israel classes the occupation as illegal.... I am sorry but I do not think the systematic theft of land because 2000 years ago we owned it, is justification... The International Court of Justice,[1] the UN General Assembly[2] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power".[3] UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk called Israel’s occupation "an affront to international law."[4] The Israeli High Court of Justice has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation".[5] According to Talia Sasson, the High Court of Justice in Israel, with a variety of different justices sitting, has repeatedly stated for more than four decades that Israel’s presence in the West Bank is in violation of international law.[6] Israeli governments have preferred the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[7][8] Officially Israel maintains that the West Bank is disputed territory.[9] | |||
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"Has anybody read the statement from the momentum group (Bradford I think) where they are trying to claim that this situation has been engineered by the Israeli government to try to topple Corbyn? LOL,
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"Nope. But that's not the only thing rearing its ugly head if the background to your OP relates to the current status quo within the Labour Party. When the Tweets posts and opinion contain comments about big noses and gas chambers then it takes a sinister term. Naz Shah and now Ken Livingstone both suspended by the Labour party. They should both be thrown out. Just saw Ken Livingstone on sky news having an almighty public bust up with the Labour MP John Mann. Labour look like they are in meltdown. I. Not a fan of Livingstone, but he was on his mobile talking to LBC Radio, when he was barged upon whilst speaking to the nation on his phone " That camera crew following it going on round the building wasn't there by chance. The infighting going on in the party needs taking in hand. | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ? If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? Did you support the IRA's tactic of bombing England and mustering their solders, police and prison guards ? Murdering not mustering " are deaths during wartime murder? | |||
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"Has anybody read the statement from the momentum group (Bradford I think) where they are trying to claim that this situation has been engineered by the Israeli government to try to topple Corbyn? LOL,
Almost as delusional as your average kipper
I'm sorry, I don't understand how you equate the two, any chance you could explain?"I have never eaten an anti semitic kipper....nor have I heard a pro Israeli statement from a kipper. Please can the originator of this statement apologise for anti pisces comments before suspension is considered | |||
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"So no posts from the people that told Polk and I that we were talking shit when we raised anti-semitism in the Labour party weeks ago: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/493833#last ...." Nah, don;t think I was in on that particular gig | |||
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" How far back in time should I take the map search? Either 1967 (when the UN ratified the land gained from the 6 day war) or 1948 when the state of Israel was created (68% of the former Palestine).... your choice... it won't change the fact that; Israel is the only country to never have declared "official" borders and that they continue to take land from Palestine and cry foul if the people they take from wish to defend it.. But other borders existed long before this. Many Jewish holy sites are far into other territories. The Israelis owned this land long before anyone else. Even the High Court of justice in Israel classes the occupation as illegal.... I am sorry but I do not think the systematic theft of land because 2000 years ago we owned it, is justification... The International Court of Justice,[1] the UN General Assembly[2] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power".[3] UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk called Israel’s occupation "an affront to international law."[4] The Israeli High Court of Justice has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation".[5] According to Talia Sasson, the High Court of Justice in Israel, with a variety of different justices sitting, has repeatedly stated for more than four decades that Israel’s presence in the West Bank is in violation of international law.[6] Israeli governments have preferred the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[7][8] Officially Israel maintains that the West Bank is disputed territory.[9]" So how far back in time should we go to decide borders ? | |||
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"So no posts from the people that told Polk and I that we were talking shit when we raised anti-semitism in the Labour party weeks ago: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/493833#last ...." That would be Edwalu then?  | |||
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" How far back in time should I take the map search? Either 1967 (when the UN ratified the land gained from the 6 day war) or 1948 when the state of Israel was created (68% of the former Palestine).... your choice... it won't change the fact that; Israel is the only country to never have declared "official" borders and that they continue to take land from Palestine and cry foul if the people they take from wish to defend it.. But other borders existed long before this. Many Jewish holy sites are far into other territories. The Israelis owned this land long before anyone else. Even the High Court of justice in Israel classes the occupation as illegal.... I am sorry but I do not think the systematic theft of land because 2000 years ago we owned it, is justification... The International Court of Justice,[1] the UN General Assembly[2] and the United Nations Security Council regards Israel as the "Occupying Power".[3] UN Special Rapporteur Richard Falk called Israel’s occupation "an affront to international law."[4] The Israeli High Court of Justice has ruled that Israel holds the West Bank under "belligerent occupation".[5] According to Talia Sasson, the High Court of Justice in Israel, with a variety of different justices sitting, has repeatedly stated for more than four decades that Israel’s presence in the West Bank is in violation of international law.[6] Israeli governments have preferred the term "disputed territories" in the case of the West Bank.[7][8] Officially Israel maintains that the West Bank is disputed territory.[9] So how far back in time should we go to decide borders ?" I guess that's up to you. When the High Court of Justice of a nation believes that their own countries occupation of another is illegal..that's good enough for me | |||
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"I make it roughly: 50k Palestinian dead 80k wounded Since 1948, based on median numbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_casualties_of_war I'm sure the figures can be argued over. Your 4000 figure comes from here but is not a total picture... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7375994.stm 29 September 2000 to 31 March 2008 Occupied Territories Israel Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 4,608 67 Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 44 0 Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 234 481 Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 242 87 Foreign citizens killed by Palestinians 17 37 Foreign citizens killed by Israeli security forces 10 0 Palestinians killed by Palestinians 577 0 Source: B'Tselem (Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) You have added two digits to the figure killed by Israeli forces so the figure I quoted as 4,000 was accurate. I said it could be argued over - I cited the source and this does not cover acts by police not individuals. The full figure will never be known, in all probability. But you know... it's just numbers... . 8,701 — Number of Palestinians killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 1,138 — Number of Israelis killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 8:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli deaths 2000-2014. _ 1,772 — Number of Palestinian children killed by Israelis 2000-2014. 93 — Number of Israeli children killed by Palestinians 2000-2014. 19:1 — Ratio of Palestinian-Israeli child deaths 2000-2014. So it's not all one way traffic as some people would like us to believe ? You mean Palestinians blowing up Israelis?? It's terrible on both sides. Only one side is taking away territory in contravention of any decent state's laws from another though. SO who's the aggressor? Since 2001 Palestine have launched 19,000 missiles on Israel. And Israel has annexed over 50% of the land of these Palestinian people.. one could argue the Palestinians are launching rockets into Palestine.....just Google Israel land expansion maps.... So the firing of missiles is justified ? If France had subdgugated and annexed the south east of England and most of the southwest (they can have cornwall).... would you fire rockets from the Midlands? Did you support the IRA's tactic of bombing England and mustering their solders, police and prison guards ? Murdering not mustering are deaths during wartime murder?" Are you saying the UK were at war with Ireland ? Because it certainly wasn't a stance that the government of the time took , Ten Dead Men are testimony to this. | |||
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"Genocide is an exaggeration on a massive scale. The Palestinian population grows year on year, that is not the definition of genocide. " 
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" Did you know that one of Hitler's first propositions for solving the 'Jewish Question' was to give them Madagascar? " Guess this shows the problems with suggestions boxes then... | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ?" No. I condem the Isreal goverment for what they?re doing, not the religion or the common citizen. They do try to deflect criticism by saying your anti semetic. | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ?" Absolutely, categorically and thoroughly not!!! Israeli policy is Zionist (not Jewish) and therefore criticism of it is not anti-Semitic in nature. Although it is a regularly used excuse to dissuade any who find their abhorrent behaviour with regards to Palestine unacceptable. There are a great many orthodox Jews who also condemn Zionist/Israeli behaviour in Palestine and to my mind, rightly so! It is disgrace. Furthermore, it is very difficult to obtain a balanced report on the atrocities occuring in Palestine (without significant research) due to the level of control Zionist have of the mainstream media, oh, and the world's financial systems. I thank my lucky stars on a regular basis that "I won the geographical lottery" by being born in this particular part of this beautiful planet, but also spare many a thought for those who weren't so lucky. The horror of being a victim of the Holocaust is not by any means one I am downplaying and nor am I anti-Semitic, but Israeli policy to Palestinians has direct correlations between it and the behaviour of nazi-Germany towards Jews. Israels' complete disregard for the resolutions passed by the United Nations (and indeed the opinions of a large majority of the world) further displays their disrespect for the fundamental basic human rights of Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian, showing how far they are prepared to go to obtain the whole of "the greater state of Israel" (from the Euphrates to the Nile), regardless of the cost to human life. To hide behind the cry of "Anti-Semitism" is disrespectful to all those who truly suffered during the Holocaust (and their families) and proof that history can and does repeat itself..... | |||
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"*as Ken Livingstone* Did you know that one of Hitler's first propositions for solving the 'Jewish Question' was to give them Madagascar? Just think how much trouble *that* would have saved...
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ? Absolutely, categorically and thoroughly not!!! Israeli policy is Zionist (not Jewish) and therefore criticism of it is not anti-Semitic in nature. Although it is a regularly used excuse to dissuade any who find their abhorrent behaviour with regards to Palestine unacceptable. There are a great many orthodox Jews who also condemn Zionist/Israeli behaviour in Palestine and to my mind, rightly so! It is disgrace. Furthermore, it is very difficult to obtain a balanced report on the atrocities occuring in Palestine (without significant research) due to the level of control Zionist have of the mainstream media, oh, and the world's financial systems. I thank my lucky stars on a regular basis that "I won the geographical lottery" by being born in this particular part of this beautiful planet, but also spare many a thought for those who weren't so lucky. The horror of being a victim of the Holocaust is not by any means one I am downplaying and nor am I anti-Semitic, but Israeli policy to Palestinians has direct correlations between it and the behaviour of nazi-Germany towards Jews. Israels' complete disregard for the resolutions passed by the United Nations (and indeed the opinions of a large majority of the world) further displays their disrespect for the fundamental basic human rights of Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian, showing how far they are prepared to go to obtain the whole of "the greater state of Israel" (from the Euphrates to the Nile), regardless of the cost to human life. To hide behind the cry of "Anti-Semitism" is disrespectful to all those who truly suffered during the Holocaust (and their families) and proof that history can and does repeat itself..... " A Zionist believes that Jewish people have the right to their own homeland. Zionism 'z???n?z  m/
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a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
To be an anti Zionist is to be anti allowing the Jews a nation.
I would call this somewhat anti Semitic.
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ?" No! But considering how much pressure the tories are under because of the dispute with the junior doctors, Academisation of all schools, the EU referendum and now 20 odd years of smearing the Liverpool 96 to protect a corrupt police force it is no surprise that the right wing press are attacking the opposition in any way they can and that caMoron is latching on to anything that can divert attention from his personal and parties conduct across the board. | |||
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"polk, there there, y dont you just meet me and you can suck my cock an then i'll fuck ur ass (hows that for change of subject)
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ? No! But considering how much pressure the tories are under because of the dispute with the junior doctors, Academisation of all schools, the EU referendum and now 20 odd years of smearing the Liverpool 96 to protect a corrupt police force it is no surprise that the right wing press are attacking the opposition in any way they can and that caMoron is latching on to anything that can divert attention from his personal and parties conduct across the board." Bingo, Polk owes me a £5 for correctly predicting that labour's anti Semites are just a right wing media conspiracy. | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ? No! But considering how much pressure the tories are under because of the dispute with the junior doctors, Academisation of all schools, the EU referendum and now 20 odd years of smearing the Liverpool 96 to protect a corrupt police force it is no surprise that the right wing press are attacking the opposition in any way they can and that caMoron is latching on to anything that can divert attention from his personal and parties conduct across the board. Bingo, Polk owes me a £5 for correctly predicting that labour's anti Semites are just a right wing media conspiracy. "
You did indeed predict this.
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"Good job the Labour Party are taking responsibility for a small minority's conduct (and let's face it it is a small minority) because the tin foil hat conspiracy junta are not having it. Corbyn just been on saying he will root out the racists in his party so fair play to him admitting the problem. "Exactly, better than the hardcore on here that keep going "what problem? There's no problem" or its all a conspiracy. | |||
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"If you take religion out of the equation.. for just a moment. Do we as a global society condemn those that invade other people's land and take from them? Not as a supercilious act of "freeing" a nation but actually to gain another's land? If the country is condemned by the global system (international courts, the United nations even it's own high court) then it must be viewed that the occupation of another sovereign nation is an aggressive condemnable act.... Regardless of whether those doing the occupation are jedi knights, Jews, Muslims or Christians. Haven't we progressed from the subjugation of others for our own material gain; regardless of the rationale behind it? But criticise Israel's occupation you are branded an anti-semite, if you criticised Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.... we're you anti-sunni?" The level of anti semitism in the Labour Party and indeed Europe goes way beyond criticism of the Israeli occupation. | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ? No! But considering how much pressure the tories are under because of the dispute with the junior doctors, Academisation of all schools, the EU referendum and now 20 odd years of smearing the Liverpool 96 to protect a corrupt police force it is no surprise that the right wing press are attacking the opposition in any way they can and that caMoron is latching on to anything that can divert attention from his personal and parties conduct across the board. Bingo, Polk owes me a £5 for correctly predicting that labour's anti Semites are just a right wing media conspiracy.
You did indeed predict this.
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ? No! But considering how much pressure the tories are under because of the dispute with the junior doctors, Academisation of all schools, the EU referendum and now 20 odd years of smearing the Liverpool 96 to protect a corrupt police force it is no surprise that the right wing press are attacking the opposition in any way they can and that caMoron is latching on to anything that can divert attention from his personal and parties conduct across the board. Bingo, Polk owes me a £5 for correctly predicting that labour's anti Semites are just a right wing media conspiracy.
You did indeed predict this.
I'm just surprised they haven't linked it back to something Maggie did... yet"Double or quits on the fiver ? | |||
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Hate is hate... criticism is criticism.... can you hate, hate? Because I do... eek. The bottom line is anyone political or otherwise using religion class or colour to attack people is wrong and should be disregarded as it's the equivalent to trading personal insults. Condemning the actions of the government of a nation (note "actions") is why we have international organisations that gain a consensus from all member states.
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"Racism in any form when representing a political party is highly moronic bearing on the diversity of the nation and its voters. " | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ? No! But considering how much pressure the tories are under because of the dispute with the junior doctors, Academisation of all schools, the EU referendum and now 20 odd years of smearing the Liverpool 96 to protect a corrupt police force it is no surprise that the right wing press are attacking the opposition in any way they can and that caMoron is latching on to anything that can divert attention from his personal and parties conduct across the board. Bingo, Polk owes me a £5 for correctly predicting that labour's anti Semites are just a right wing media conspiracy.
You did indeed predict this.
I'm just surprised they haven't linked it back to something Maggie did... yet
Double or quits on the fiver ?"Can I get 3/1 that one of the crazies tells us that the BBC is a right wing organisation? You know the publically funded institution that constantly pumps out articles about fucking great life in Cuba is and the positive side of Kim Philby? | |||
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"Israeli universities allow Palestinian students. Arab students and professors study, research, and teach at Israeli universities. At Haifa University, against Israel, 20 percent of the students are Arabs. Palestine universities ban Jews. Tel Aviv have a gay pride day. You are stoned in Palestine for being gay. The Israeli Declaration of Independence called upon the Arab inhabitants of Israel to “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. Hamas & Hezbollagh call for the destruction of Israel and its inhabitants. It is illegal for Israeli employers to discriminate on the basis of race and Arab citizens of Israel are represented in all walks of Israeli life. Arabs have served in senior diplomatic and government positions and an Arab currently serves on the Supreme Court. This does not seem like a nation hell bent on genocide to me. "
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"I won't quote you... because of the server capacity... you quoting me quoting you....
Hate is hate... criticism is criticism.... can you hate, hate? Because I do... eek. The bottom line is anyone political or otherwise using religion class or colour to attack people is wrong and should be disregarded as it's the equivalent to trading personal insults. Condemning the actions of the government of a nation (note "actions") is why we have international organisations that gain a consensus from all member states.
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"Israeli universities allow Palestinian students. Arab students and professors study, research, and teach at Israeli universities. At Haifa University, against Israel, 20 percent of the students are Arabs. Palestine universities ban Jews. Tel Aviv have a gay pride day. You are stoned in Palestine for being gay. The Israeli Declaration of Independence called upon the Arab inhabitants of Israel to “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. Hamas & Hezbollagh call for the destruction of Israel and its inhabitants. It is illegal for Israeli employers to discriminate on the basis of race and Arab citizens of Israel are represented in all walks of Israeli life. Arabs have served in senior diplomatic and government positions and an Arab currently serves on the Supreme Court. This does not seem like a nation hell bent on genocide to me.
Also, as I'm a bisexual, atheist, feminist, socialist (not to mention group sex enthusiast), there's only ONE country in that region where I wouldn't be at the very least thrown in jail immediately. Clue, it starts with I..."That's a lot of 'ists' to fit on a business card | |||
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"Should condemnation of Israeli policy with regards to its conflict with Palestine be considered anti semitic ? No! But considering how much pressure the tories are under because of the dispute with the junior doctors, Academisation of all schools, the EU referendum and now 20 odd years of smearing the Liverpool 96 to protect a corrupt police force it is no surprise that the right wing press are attacking the opposition in any way they can and that caMoron is latching on to anything that can divert attention from his personal and parties conduct across the board. Bingo, Polk owes me a £5 for correctly predicting that labour's anti Semites are just a right wing media conspiracy.
You did indeed predict this.
I'm just surprised they haven't linked it back to something Maggie did... yet
Double or quits on the fiver ?
Can I get 3/1 that one of the crazies tells us that the BBC is a right wing organisation?
You know the publically funded institution that constantly pumps out articles about fucking great life in Cuba is and the positive side of Kim Philby? "I'm not that flush at the moment. | |||
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"Israeli universities allow Palestinian students. Arab students and professors study, research, and teach at Israeli universities. At Haifa University, against Israel, 20 percent of the students are Arabs. Palestine universities ban Jews. Tel Aviv have a gay pride day. You are stoned in Palestine for being gay. The Israeli Declaration of Independence called upon the Arab inhabitants of Israel to “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. Hamas & Hezbollagh call for the destruction of Israel and its inhabitants. It is illegal for Israeli employers to discriminate on the basis of race and Arab citizens of Israel are represented in all walks of Israeli life. Arabs have served in senior diplomatic and government positions and an Arab currently serves on the Supreme Court. This does not seem like a nation hell bent on genocide to me.
Also, as I'm a bisexual, atheist, feminist, socialist (not to mention group sex enthusiast), there's only ONE country in that region where I wouldn't be at the very least thrown in jail immediately. Clue, it starts with I..."And because of this its acceptable to systematically steal land from another country and let those left love like refugees in ghettos.... "Sorry we stole your land... but come and March for your rights on ours (that you used to own)...attend our university (we built on your land) hell we will even sell you vegetables we have grown (on your old fields)... So a rainbow flag and a 1% admission rate for Muslims in the university trumps 50% land annexation and condemnation by every global court and structure... who knew | |||
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Hate is hate... criticism is criticism.... can you hate, hate? Because I do... eek. The bottom line is anyone political or otherwise using religion class or colour to attack people is wrong and should be disregarded as it's the equivalent to trading personal insults. Condemning the actions of the government of a nation (note "actions") is why we have international organisations that gain a consensus from all member states.
I dislike people that judge anyone based on their belief colour or class. I dislike Ken because he is a chancer.... and I wouldn't buy him a pint.... and I would buy almost anyone a pint.
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"I don;t see why it should. Criticism of Israeli foreign and domestic policy has nothing to do with the Holocaust this.. anyone alluding to the justified criticism in Israel's treatment of the Palestinians post 1948 as being anti semitic is playing the deflection game.." I agree with this and to be honest, the whole history of modern Israel is somewhat dubious... on the other hand, the comments made were not exactly eloquent.. Cal | |||
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"..... Another anti semite so apt for this thread. Any critic if Israel is labelled as an anti semite. A very weak argument" So then. If, as a jew, I criticise Israeli policy, I am then anti-semitic! Could someone tell me why I should despise myself so much? | |||
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"So what's the topic of discussion here? How much you dislike the Labour Party? Or Whether or not criticism of Israel equals antisemitism? "I just thought I was buying everyone a beer (or a fruit based beverage for those that don't partake) | |||
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"So what's the topic of discussion here? How much you dislike the Labour Party? Or Whether or not criticism of Israel equals antisemitism? "You deviant (as in you're deviating from the thread). But no, criticism of Israel does not equate to anti semitism. | |||
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"..... Another anti semite so apt for this thread. Any critic if Israel is labelled as an anti semite. A very weak argument So then. If, as a jew, I criticise Israeli policy, I am then anti-semitic! Could someone tell me why I should despise myself so much?" Self flagellation is the only answer. | |||
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"So what's the topic of discussion here? How much you dislike the Labour Party? Or Whether or not criticism of Israel equals antisemitism? "More along the lines of 'its hard to be a Hitler apologist without holding some anti Semite views' | |||
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"So what's the topic of discussion here? How much you dislike the Labour Party? Or Whether or not criticism of Israel equals antisemitism?
I just thought I was buying everyone a beer (or a fruit based beverage for those that don't partake)"But you are denying my right to a Guinness, you are using bully boy tactics to deflect from my urge for the black stuff by saying it is for my own good. | |||
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"So what's the topic of discussion here? How much you dislike the Labour Party? Or Whether or not criticism of Israel equals antisemitism?
I just thought I was buying everyone a beer (or a fruit based beverage for those that don't partake)
But you are denying my right to a Guinness, you are using bully boy tactics to deflect from my urge for the black stuff by saying it is for my own good. "Wouldn't you prefer a sodastream | |||
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"So no posts from the people that told Polk and I that we were talking shit when we raised anti-semitism in the Labour party weeks ago: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/493833#last .... That would be Edwalu then? "Conspicuous by the silence, as well as the other two wise men who follow his every word..... | |||
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"So no posts from the people that told Polk and I that we were talking shit when we raised anti-semitism in the Labour party weeks ago: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/493833#last .... That would be Edwalu then?
Conspicuous by the silence, as well as the other two wise men who follow his every word....."At least we know what to expect when the 'ever rising in popularity' Mr Corbyn resigns before the next election to make way for someone that has a chance of winning... | |||
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"If you take religion out of the equation.. for just a moment. Do we as a global society condemn those that invade other people's land and take from them? Not as a supercilious act of "freeing" a nation but actually to gain another's land? If the country is condemned by the global system (international courts, the United nations even it's own high court) then it must be viewed that the occupation of another sovereign nation is an aggressive condemnable act.... Regardless of whether those doing the occupation are jedi knights, Jews, Muslims or Christians. Haven't we progressed from the subjugation of others for our own material gain; regardless of the rationale behind it? But criticise Israel's occupation you are branded an anti-semite, if you criticised Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.... we're you anti-sunni?" Shh. Stop. Actually don't. It's like watching paint bleed. Except more disturbing. | |||
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"If you take religion out of the equation.. for just a moment. Do we as a global society condemn those that invade other people's land and take from them? Not as a supercilious act of "freeing" a nation but actually to gain another's land? If the country is condemned by the global system (international courts, the United nations even it's own high court) then it must be viewed that the occupation of another sovereign nation is an aggressive condemnable act.... Regardless of whether those doing the occupation are jedi knights, Jews, Muslims or Christians. Haven't we progressed from the subjugation of others for our own material gain; regardless of the rationale behind it? But criticise Israel's occupation you are branded an anti-semite, if you criticised Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.... we're you anti-sunni? Shh. Stop. Actually don't. It's like watching paint bleed. Except more disturbing." Nice | |||
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"Israeli universities allow Palestinian students. Arab students and professors study, research, and teach at Israeli universities. At Haifa University, against Israel, 20 percent of the students are Arabs. Palestine universities ban Jews. Tel Aviv have a gay pride day. You are stoned in Palestine for being gay. The Israeli Declaration of Independence called upon the Arab inhabitants of Israel to “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions. Hamas & Hezbollagh call for the destruction of Israel and its inhabitants. It is illegal for Israeli employers to discriminate on the basis of race and Arab citizens of Israel are represented in all walks of Israeli life. Arabs have served in senior diplomatic and government positions and an Arab currently serves on the Supreme Court. This does not seem like a nation hell bent on genocide to me.
Also, as I'm a bisexual, atheist, feminist, socialist (not to mention group sex enthusiast), there's only ONE country in that region where I wouldn't be at the very least thrown in jail immediately. Clue, it starts with I...
And because of this its acceptable to systematically steal land from another country and let those left love like refugees in ghettos....
"Sorry we stole your land... but come and March for your rights on ours (that you used to own)...attend our university (we built on your land) hell we will even sell you vegetables we have grown (on your old fields)...
So a rainbow flag and a 1% admission rate for Muslims in the university trumps 50% land annexation and condemnation by every global court and structure... who knew "1%?! Where does that come from?.It certainly didn't look like 1% at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in 1995 and 1996. Which brings me to another question : how many of the critics have been theRe? | |||
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"I always thought "Red. Ken." was a, Jew. anyway?" What?! | |||
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"I always thought "Red. Ken." was a, Jew. anyway? What?!" I always thought "Red. Ken." was, Jewish. anyway? | |||
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"Okay. Ken has finally lost it. Shah was just being satirical with her reposting on Facebook for Israel being relocated into the US(how anyone can't see that is beyond me). She's obviously anti Israel( as in the governments of Israel), and not anti semitic. Oh Ken.. Hitler certainly wasn't a Zionist. It's absurd. Unless you take the line that Zionism(according to Dictionary.com) is: a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel. In which case I can see what he was trying to say. Unfortunately it was wrong. It was Eichmann who was sent to the Middle East to examine whether it was feasible to move all Germany's jews to what is now Israel. And he was shouted down by the Nazi party. That's got more than a tangential link to the semantic meaning of 'Zionism'. And that's according to Anthony Beevor(EVERYONE loves his histories of WWII). He knows his shit. It's just obviously very bad taste to exclaim that Hitler was a Zionist. Conceited at the least. But I get what he means(and technically he IS correct, if only for the fact that he mixed Eichmann up with Hitler. And they both hated Jews, obviously.). " He tried to make out that Hitler wasn't anti semitic when he was elected but "went mad" after he was elected. Which is nonsense when you read Mein Kampf and see it was published long before he was elected. | |||
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"Okay. Ken has finally lost it. Shah was just being satirical with her reposting on Facebook for Israel being relocated into the US(how anyone can't see that is beyond me). She's obviously anti Israel( as in the governments of Israel), and not anti semitic. Oh Ken.. Hitler certainly wasn't a Zionist. It's absurd. Unless you take the line that Zionism(according to Dictionary.com) is: a worldwide Jewish movement that resulted in the establishment and development of the state of Israel. In which case I can see what he was trying to say. Unfortunately it was wrong. It was Eichmann who was sent to the Middle East to examine whether it was feasible to move all Germany's jews to what is now Israel. And he was shouted down by the Nazi party. That's got more than a tangential link to the semantic meaning of 'Zionism'. And that's according to Anthony Beevor(EVERYONE loves his histories of WWII). He knows his shit. It's just obviously very bad taste to exclaim that Hitler was a Zionist. Conceited at the least. But I get what he means(and technically he IS correct, if only for the fact that he mixed Eichmann up with Hitler. And they both hated Jews, obviously.). He tried to make out that Hitler wasn't anti semitic when he was elected but "went mad" after he was elected. Which is nonsense when you read Mein Kampf and see it was published long before he was elected. " No he said that 'Hitler was saying that Jews should be moved to Israel.he was supporting Zionism [in 1932].Then he went mad and killed six million of them.' Ken didn't say he wasn't anti Semitic.Unfortunately saying Hitler was a Zionist is wrong in that it was Eichmann not Hitler who investigated the idea. But strictly speaking(and I'm talking dictionary definitions here),then Eichamnn,in 1932,did investigate a Zionist idea.Ergo he WAS a Zionist. Him being a Zionist does not mean he wasn't anti Semitic,he obviously was. | |||
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"There are a few Holocaust inverters around today and Livingston is just the latest to be found out, there are a few on this thread. The false accusation of Holocaust inversion-the portraying of Israel, Israelis, and Jews as Nazis-is a major distortion of history. This anti-Semitic concept claims that Israel behaves against the Palestinians as Germany did to the Jews in World War II. “The victims have become perpetrators,” is one major slogan of the inverters. By shifting the moral responsibility for genocide, Holocaust inversion also contains elements of Holocaust denial. Holocaust inverters come from many circles. A large number are Arabs or other Muslims. Others come from the extreme Left in the West. A variety of Western mainstream public figures have made Holocaust-inversion statements, including politicians, academics, authors, as well as the occasional Jew or Israeli. Holocaust inversion is defined by the UN as anti Semitic. " I disagree.i think there was one over heated poster earlier who said that what the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians was akon to genocide. They were wrong. But you ate wrong to make out that this means he is a holocaust denier and therefore anti Semitic.too many unfounded leaps of logic there! | |||
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"There are a few Holocaust inverters around today and Livingston is just the latest to be found out, there are a few on this thread. The false accusation of Holocaust inversion-the portraying of Israel, Israelis, and Jews as Nazis-is a major distortion of history. This anti-Semitic concept claims that Israel behaves against the Palestinians as Germany did to the Jews in World War II. “The victims have become perpetrators,” is one major slogan of the inverters. By shifting the moral responsibility for genocide, Holocaust inversion also contains elements of Holocaust denial. Holocaust inverters come from many circles. A large number are Arabs or other Muslims. Others come from the extreme Left in the West. A variety of Western mainstream public figures have made Holocaust-inversion statements, including politicians, academics, authors, as well as the occasional Jew or Israeli. Holocaust inversion is defined by the UN as anti Semitic. I disagree.i think there was one over heated poster earlier who said that what the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians was akon to genocide. They were wrong. But you ate wrong to make out that this means he is a holocaust denier and therefore anti Semitic.too many unfounded leaps of logic there!" If you read one post is says "what the Jews claim the Germans did to them" This is denial is it not ? | |||
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"So no posts from the people that told Polk and I that we were talking shit when we raised anti-semitism in the Labour party weeks ago: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/493833#last .... That would be Edwalu then?
Conspicuous by the silence, as well as the other two wise men who follow his every word.....
At least we know what to expect when the 'ever rising in popularity' Mr Corbyn resigns before the next election to make way for someone that has a chance of winning... "Rather than a bi election in a Labour safe seat being claimed as a great victory for Corbyn (as we have already seen on this forum) next weeks elections will be a real eye opener as to how the nation views Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party. (Election analysts predict Labour will take a huge beating in next week's elections). | |||
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"There are a few Holocaust inverters around today and Livingston is just the latest to be found out, there are a few on this thread. The false accusation of Holocaust inversion-the portraying of Israel, Israelis, and Jews as Nazis-is a major distortion of history. This anti-Semitic concept claims that Israel behaves against the Palestinians as Germany did to the Jews in World War II. “The victims have become perpetrators,” is one major slogan of the inverters. By shifting the moral responsibility for genocide, Holocaust inversion also contains elements of Holocaust denial. Holocaust inverters come from many circles. A large number are Arabs or other Muslims. Others come from the extreme Left in the West. A variety of Western mainstream public figures have made Holocaust-inversion statements, including politicians, academics, authors, as well as the occasional Jew or Israeli. Holocaust inversion is defined by the UN as anti Semitic. I disagree.i think there was one over heated poster earlier who said that what the Israelis were doing to the Palestinians was akon to genocide. They were wrong. But you ate wrong to make out that this means he is a holocaust denier and therefore anti Semitic.too many unfounded leaps of logic there! If you read one post is says "what the Jews claim the Germans did to them" This is denial is it not ? " I wasn't aware of that comment.but yeah,I agree certainly within the confines of that quoted comment,yes. | |||
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"I don't think anyone can truly deny the holocaust happened, hand on heart, it would have been a quite incredulous conspiracy. I think there is more than enough evidence, anecdotal and actual to confirm such atrocities took place. Neither do I think the a genocide is taking place in Palestine, the Israelis do not seek to exterminate the Palestinians, as Hitler once tried to exterminate them. They just want their land. It is this, the destruction of Palestinian villages, the near constant grab for land that the Israelis should be held accountable for.... Nothing more and nothing less; if this makes me an anti-Semite, then, well, what can I do? Standing up for an impoverished weakened state in the face of aggressive powerful neighbours, is not anti-anything, perhaps I am just a Palestinian White Knight eh?" The criticism of the Israeli land grab policy does not make one an anti Semite. To declare that Jewish people have no right to their own nation I suspect is. (I am not for one second suggesting you are doing this) | |||
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"I don't think anyone can truly deny the holocaust happened, hand on heart, it would have been a quite incredulous conspiracy. I think there is more than enough evidence, anecdotal and actual to confirm such atrocities took place. Neither do I think the a genocide is taking place in Palestine, the Israelis do not seek to exterminate the Palestinians, as Hitler once tried to exterminate them. They just want their land. It is this, the destruction of Palestinian villages, the near constant grab for land that the Israelis should be held accountable for.... Nothing more and nothing less; if this makes me an anti-Semite, then, well, what can I do? Standing up for an impoverished weakened state in the face of aggressive powerful neighbours, is not anti-anything, perhaps I am just a Palestinian White Knight eh? The criticism of the Israeli land grab policy does not make one an anti Semite. To declare that Jewish people have no right to their own nation I suspect is. (I am not for one second suggesting you are doing this) " And I wouldn't declare that anyone doesn't have a right to a nation, but that nation should not be taken and expanded by force. The politics and anti-semitism of the early 20th century created the need to find a home for the Jewish people, they had a historical home in the middle east, so we (the beautiful British  , ourselves perpetrators of land seizures throughout the ages), "gave" a percentage of land to the Jewish fleeing europe and its intolerance... We gave Kashmir to Pakistan too (oh and India), creating an everlasting war...
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"And I wouldn't declare that anyone doesn't have a right to a nation, but that nation should not be taken and expanded by force. The politics and anti-semitism of the early 20th century created the need to find a home for the Jewish people, they had a historical home in the middle east, so we (the beautiful British , ourselves perpetrators of land seizures throughout the ages), "gave" a percentage of land to the Jewish fleeing europe and its intolerance... We gave Kashmir to Pakistan too (oh and India), creating an everlasting war...
I am never going to point fingers and blame, else those fingers tend to rest at Whitehall.... but it's time.....It's time for peace, the world has been ravaged enough by war and greed."Yep - and a dozen other flash points. What you're witnessing, in part, here is the unraveling of the post WWI settlement/carve up of large parts of the world. | |||
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"I think you'll find the Jewish people claim to have been there first." Oh hush, lol - if everyone went back to where their supposed antecedents came from the world would be in a total mess! Bloody Romans, Angles, Saxons, Huguenots, Indians, Africans... everyone can go home and leave the place to the Welsh. I guess I'll pack my bags and go back to the Continent? | |||
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"But the Jewish people probably felt they had nowhere else to go as everywhere they went people felt the need to persecute them. It's a shame that this practice continues today." Balfour Declaration, anybody? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration It's Britain's fault that Jews were settled in Palestine and promised a homeland. Can I stop now? | |||
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