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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The healthy weight range is based on a measurement known as the body mass index (BMI). This can be determined if you know your weight and your height.
I came across this on the BBC website and thought I would give it a go, came out with a BMI score of 24.4
The number of people with obesity in the UK has more than trebled in the last 25 years. Doctors now say that the condition is reaching 'epidemic' proportions, they reckon a BMI score of 30 and above is Obese
A person is considered obese if they are very overweight with a high degree of body fat.
Some experts believe obesity is responsible for more ill health than smoking. Being significantly overweight is linked to a wide range of health problems, including:
Diabetes
Heart disease
High blood pressure
Arthritis
Indigestion
Gallstones
Some cancers (eg, breast and prostate cancers)
Snoring and sleep apnoea
Stress, anxiety, and depression
Infertility
The impact of obesity in the UK
A Government report recently claimed that obesity will cost the NHS £6.4bn per year by 2015
In England data from 2011 shows that 24.8% of adults (16 or over) and 16.3% of children (2 -15) are obese
In Scotland data from 2010 shows 27.4% of adults and 14% of children are obese
Obesity is most prevalent in the North East of England and in the West Midlands
So do you believe these statistics and if so, what can be done to get people fighting fit & healthy
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The only problem with that as I see it is that you can be relatively trim but fat on the inside which is where a lot of the danger is.
I'm not saying it's missleading but they also say that the fat around your tummy is the worst.
But then another study comes along and says something different  I think the main problem is that the human animal was not really designed to last as long as it is doing so is more prone to diseases and things |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The healthy weight range is based on a measurement known as the body mass index (BMI). This can be determined if you know your weight and your height.
I came across this on the BBC website and thought I would give it a go, came out with a BMI score of 24.4
The number of people with obesity in the UK has more than trebled in the last 25 years. Doctors now say that the condition is reaching 'epidemic' proportions, they reckon a BMI score of 30 and above is Obese
A person is considered obese if they are very overweight with a high degree of body fat.
Some experts believe obesity is responsible for more ill health than smoking. Being significantly overweight is linked to a wide range of health problems, including:
Diabetes
Heart disease
High blood pressure
Arthritis
Indigestion
Gallstones
Some cancers (eg, breast and prostate cancers)
Snoring and sleep apnoea
Stress, anxiety, and depression
Infertility
The impact of obesity in the UK
A Government report recently claimed that obesity will cost the NHS £6.4bn per year by 2015
In England data from 2011 shows that 24.8% of adults (16 or over) and 16.3% of children (2 -15) are obese
In Scotland data from 2010 shows 27.4% of adults and 14% of children are obese
Obesity is most prevalent in the North East of England and in the West Midlands
So do you believe these statistics and if so, what can be done to get people fighting fit & healthy
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Fight club but dont talk about it....seriously its up to the person to get off their chair and do it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Children and adults werent obese post WW1 or WW2. Whether that is down to rationing or the fact that western culture (TV / media / music) encourage us to lead a decadent lifestyle I'm not sure. It is alarming how many kids are obese now and when you relate this to the high numbers of tablets or smart devices per household its hardly surprising. Falling out of trees and getting chased around the park or playground doesn't happen anymore due to litigation (likelyhood of being sued) and the fear of a nonce kidnapping children all impact on this and these children go on to become obese adults |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm not saying it's missleading but they also say that the fat around your tummy is the worst.
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True, although they do say athlete's will have a higher BMI due to muscle mass, you really just need to be truthful to yourself and recognise if you are an athlete or obese and call yourself an athlete 
What you say about fat around the tummy is so correct and it is the last place you will loose fat in the battle of fitness
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By *rMrs_CCouple
over a year ago
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Sadly the obesity crisis is on the up. The statistics for kids are frightening. They are taken at 5 & 11 years old. Im a student dietitian and im faced with constant issues of metabolic disease (diabetes, cvd, cholesterol and BP)
The fat around your middle is an indication of further health risks.
Google metabolic disease or central adiposity risk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I blame it on sugar. Try buying any processed food without sugar. I read somewhere that there was a bit of a "war" between fats and sugars and that fats lost out being blamed for a whole raft of illnesses caused by saturated fats etc etc. Avoid those low fat products as they are stuffed with sugars to make up the taste.
Look at the Doctors now saying butter is better for you than these weird margarine concoctions.
At the end of the day moderation in anything you consume, except copious quantities of ejaculate.
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By (user no longer on site)
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The problem with BMI is the ratios don't take into account physiology.
Me (L) come in at 31.3 BMI
Yet the last caliper test I had measured me at 21% body fat.
Now I know I can't see my abs at the moment after being poorly last year BUT "morbidly obese"??
Even the Doctor went "WTF"!
The way of life now though has a massive weight on how people are.
TV, games consoles, smart devices, etc.
Kids don't go out anymore.
They don't climb stuff, ride their bikes for miles, play kiss chase...
Life has sped up yet people have slowed down. |
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"I blame it on sugar. Try buying any processed food without sugar. I read somewhere that there was a bit of a "war" between fats and sugars and that fats lost out being blamed for a whole raft of illnesses caused by saturated fats etc etc. Avoid those low fat products as they are stuffed with sugars to make up the taste.
Look at the Doctors now saying butter is better for you than these weird margarine concoctions.
At the end of the day moderation in anything you consume, except copious quantities of ejaculate.
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Have you seen how much sugar is in those pasta sauces? I now cook everything from scratch....it's shocking at just how much hidden sugar is in things. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes more of us are overweight. We need to exercise more and eat more of the right foods. Plus portion control. Sedentary jobs don't help either unfortunately.
We know the theory. It's just getting everyone to practice it. We are all ultimately responsible for our own health. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The BMI method is flawed but until the NHS find / use an alternative it's the system thats used to gauge weight.
Overall though our body weight as a collective is definitely on the up. Too much accessible sugar / fat laden food available 24/7 & not enough outdoor exercise done. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sadly the obesity crisis is on the up. The statistics for kids are frightening. They are taken at 5 & 11 years old. Im a student dietitian and im faced with constant issues of metabolic disease (diabetes, cvd, cholesterol and BP)
The fat around your middle is an indication of further health risks.
Google metabolic disease or central adiposity risk."
I see this daily, I have neighbours 2 doors down and their grandchildren visit regular, one 11 and the other 9, they are grossly overweight same as their parents
They have started walking with me when I take the dogs out for a walk (6 or 7 miles) they say they never go for walks with parents but they do go for treats - a treat to them is a visit to McDonalds, they are lovely kids but they are going to be picked on when they go upto secondary school due to their weight |
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I tend to take any statistic released to prove a theory (pretty much all statistics then) with a pinch of salt however my own eyes tell me that obesity is on the rise but I just don't know if the figures released and the threats implied are accurate. There seems to be a few statistically proven threats to the NHS being bandied about at the moment ill, elderly people are another unflatteringly referred to as "bed blockers".
What can be done? Educate people I suppose but in the end unless someone wants to stop eating too much they won't and there are one or two medical conditions that make weight loss difficult. Tax unhealthy food? Why should people with a healthy BMI have to pay a tenner if they fancy a cream cake now and again?
Personally I think it's a problem that will stay with us for generations until the idea that a trip to McDonald's more than once a month isn't a treat. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sadly the obesity crisis is on the up. The statistics for kids are frightening. They are taken at 5 & 11 years old. Im a student dietitian and im faced with constant issues of metabolic disease (diabetes, cvd, cholesterol and BP)
The fat around your middle is an indication of further health risks.
Google metabolic disease or central adiposity risk.
I see this daily, I have neighbours 2 doors down and their grandchildren visit regular, one 11 and the other 9, they are grossly overweight same as their parents
They have started walking with me when I take the dogs out for a walk (6 or 7 miles) they say they never go for walks with parents but they do go for treats - a treat to them is a visit to McDonalds, they are lovely kids but they are going to be picked on when they go upto secondary school due to their weight"
Just goes to show that kids are a product of the way their parents bring them up!
It's great that you're taking those kids out - and hopefully they'll pressurise their parents into getting out and about with them!
We aren't just obese as a nation because we exercise less - though that is obviously a factor! Most of weight gain/retention is down to diet!
In this country we eat more ready meals than the whole of Europe combined- most of us no longer cook because we can't/don't want to/claim we haven't the time. Food high in sugar and fat is cheaper and more accessible than it's ever been!
Frankly, for most people, it's just far easier to be obese than it is to take action to lose weight!
Though I disagree with 'body shaming' - I also disagree that we should be encouraging people to 'love your body whatever size you are - particularly if you're morbidly obese!
I'm not sure what the answer is - but if I were in power i'd make weekly cookery classes compulsory in children from primary up to the age of 18. If kids can cook quick, tasty, cheap, healthy meals in minutes they're less likely to want junk food regularly - and their parents might learn from them!
I'd also tax fatty and sugary foods and use the money to subside healthy foods!
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By (user no longer on site)
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The Irish figures are probably a little worse based on BMI. There was a thread here about 4 weeks ago on a very similar topic which was closed. When it was suggested that someone 5 stone overweight was fit and healthy as someone of the recommended BMI many including myself questioned this persons logic.
While it is a very sensitive personal issues it is extremely rare for people in general to admit they are in a dangerously high BMI category which if not already causing her helth issues surely will in the near future when compared to someone of the accepted normal BMI.
The biggest debate here at the moment is people saying you can't tax my fatty foods or soft drink but you do expect the tax payer to foot the bill for an unhealthy lifestyle causing any number of the above illnesses. I suppose it depends on how much will power someone has not money. Believe me I have costed it and it's far far cheaper to eat fresh healthy foods |
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"Sadly the obesity crisis is on the up. The statistics for kids are frightening. They are taken at 5 & 11 years old. Im a student dietitian and im faced with constant issues of metabolic disease (diabetes, cvd, cholesterol and BP)
The fat around your middle is an indication of further health risks.
Google metabolic disease or central adiposity risk.
I see this daily, I have neighbours 2 doors down and their grandchildren visit regular, one 11 and the other 9, they are grossly overweight same as their parents
They have started walking with me when I take the dogs out for a walk (6 or 7 miles) they say they never go for walks with parents but they do go for treats - a treat to them is a visit to McDonalds, they are lovely kids but they are going to be picked on when they go upto secondary school due to their weight
Just goes to show that kids are a product of the way their parents bring them up!
It's great that you're taking those kids out - and hopefully they'll pressurise their parents into getting out and about with them!
We aren't just obese as a nation because we exercise less - though that is obviously a factor! Most of weight gain/retention is down to diet!
In this country we eat more ready meals than the whole of Europe combined- most of us no longer cook because we can't/don't want to/claim we haven't the time. Food high in sugar and fat is cheaper and more accessible than it's ever been!
Frankly, for most people, it's just far easier to be obese than it is to take action to lose weight!
Though I disagree with 'body shaming' - I also disagree that we should be encouraging people to 'love your body whatever size you are - particularly if you're morbidly obese!
I'm not sure what the answer is - but if I were in power i'd make weekly cookery classes compulsory in children from primary up to the age of 18. If kids can cook quick, tasty, cheap, healthy meals in minutes they're less likely to want junk food regularly - and their parents might learn from them!
I'd also tax fatty and sugary foods and use the money to subside healthy foods!
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I think we should love ourselves no matter what size we are....body shaming is rife in society and frankly I'm sick to the back teeth of it if I want to be fat I'll be fat....I love myself and frankly that's the only thing that matters to me... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Irish figures are probably a little worse based on BMI. There was a thread here about 4 weeks ago on a very similar topic which was closed. When it was suggested that someone 5 stone overweight was fit and healthy as someone of the recommended BMI many including myself questioned this persons logic.
While it is a very sensitive personal issues it is extremely rare for people in general to admit they are in a dangerously high BMI category which if not already causing her helth issues surely will in the near future when compared to someone of the accepted normal BMI.
The biggest debate here at the moment is people saying you can't tax my fatty foods or soft drink but you do expect the tax payer to foot the bill for an unhealthy lifestyle causing any number of the above illnesses. I suppose it depends on how much will power someone has not money. Believe me I have costed it and it's far far cheaper to eat fresh healthy foods"
Well I sincerely hope this thread isn't closed down!
Yesterday there were three 'pro bbw' threads running concurrently. Whilst I believe, of course, that people should be free to express body type preference, it would be completely wrong if we weren't allowed to have an open discussion of the health risks involved in being an unhealthy body weight - be that obesity or anorexia! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I really don't believe people should throw out the body shaming thing every time this comes up. In all my time here I have never once seen anyone remark that any other person should be ashamed of their size but the opposite, the should love who they are and doing that means taking better care of our bodies. There is no shame attached to any such sentiment |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't think it's cheaper to eat healthy, just look at the price of meat. If a family is on a low income are they going to spend 6 or 7 quid on some chicken breasts or go to Iceland and buy 1kg of chips large pizzas and garlic bread or some other similar meal. It is expensive to eat healthily and if the government are moaning about people being overweight they should make the bad foods expensive and cut some deal with the farmers where they use the money made off the shit food to pay the first few quid on quality meats. |
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"I really don't believe people should throw out the body shaming thing every time this comes up. In all my time here I have never once seen anyone remark that any other person should be ashamed of their size but the opposite, the should love who they are and doing that means taking better care of our bodies. There is no shame attached to any such sentiment "
You haven't seen all the threads then there is a huge amount of body shaming on here. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Well I sincerely hope this thread isn't closed down!
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Threads are not shut down just for mentioning BMI or BBW. It is normally when all hell breaks loose.
Keep it civil and the discussion stays open |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"I don't think it's cheaper to eat healthy, just look at the price of meat. If a family is on a low income are they going to spend 6 or 7 quid on some chicken breasts or go to Iceland and buy 1kg of chips large pizzas and garlic bread or some other similar meal. It is expensive to eat healthily and if the government are moaning about people being overweight they should make the bad foods expensive and cut some deal with the farmers where they use the money made off the shit food to pay the first few quid on quality meats. "
We have changed the way we eat since October. Buying fruit/ veg and fresh meat has not changed how much we spend. |
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It's not the obesity per se, it's the high carb diets we eat.
We have been brainwashed by research funded by companies to help their profits, that fat is the enemy. This drives us to seek out processed, low-fat products that have sugar added to them to make them taste nice. Carbs are addictive too and big pharma love that you get ill eating it. |
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"I don't think it's cheaper to eat healthy, just look at the price of meat. If a family is on a low income are they going to spend 6 or 7 quid on some chicken breasts or go to Iceland and buy 1kg of chips large pizzas and garlic bread or some other similar meal. It is expensive to eat healthily and if the government are moaning about people being overweight they should make the bad foods expensive and cut some deal with the farmers where they use the money made off the shit food to pay the first few quid on quality meats. "
If you compare like for like it might make it clearer. I can't comment on UK prices but I do know a kg of potatoes in comparison to chips are far cheaper as is a kg of chicken breast with no added water from the likes of Aldi in comparison to breaded chicken. A wheaten loaf with some crushed/mashed up garlic on top, a far healthier and cheaper per weight option but again most simply won't bother prepping food and blame price instead |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes more of us are overweight. We need to exercise more and eat more of the right foods. Plus portion control. Sedentary jobs don't help either unfortunately.
We know the theory. It's just getting everyone to practice it. We are all ultimately responsible for our own health. "
This! Im obese yes. But do i eat unhealthy food? Majority of the time no. I drink water ot coffee and rarely have fizzy drinks. We probably have takeaway once every two weeks at the most. I dont exercise enough and thats my problem. I do my best but it annoys me when its presumed an excuse. I leave the house at 7 and get home at 7. Make tea and put the kids to bed at 8. Thats 2 hours i have in the evening before i need sleep and usually the last think i want to do is clean and do the housework never mind get out a workout dvd. Im aneamic and everything is a chore and makes me tired and i know my weight doesnt help that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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My BMI is 29.53 which means I'm just under being classed as obese.
I'm 6 ft 2 weigh 230 pounds, muscular, and exercise daily.
I eat a healthy well balanced diet.
I eat four meals a day and never skip on that.
I don't take sugar in tea or coffee and don't eat biscuits or cakes.
I have one takeaway a week as a treat on a weekend.
I sometimes have a good drink on a weekend and occasionally a few midweek.
I feel as physically fit now as I did 15/20 years ago and I'm 50 this summer.
The BMI calculation is utter bollox for somebody like me as I suspect it probably is for many. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If.. You're clever buying then it's not more.
Online MuscleFood for example, meat is far better quality, bigger cuts and more variety.
Problem is storing it in bulk to get the savings.
Supermarket can be cheap but water, bulkers and crap make up too much of the weight meaning you are paying for twice what you eat.
It's sad that Iceland et al make crap food the option when a weeks shop is half of the healthier alternative |
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The" expense" argument is just not true;
You can buy perfectly adequate meat, fish, veg, fruit ( fresh or frozen) for no more than the shit processed stuff .
It's the idleness ( and lack of ability to cook)that makes people go that route
But actually in the majority of cases, it's the snacks, chocolates, sweets, crisps, fizzy drinks, biscuits munched all day long which do the most damage . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If.. You're clever buying then it's not more.
Online MuscleFood for example, meat is far better quality, bigger cuts and more variety.
Problem is storing it in bulk to get the savings.
Supermarket can be cheap but water, bulkers and crap make up too much of the weight meaning you are paying for twice what you eat.
It's sad that Iceland et al make crap food the option when a weeks shop is half of the healthier alternative "
Pffft I wouldn't put money in muscle foods pocket, if you were ever a member of uk muscle or t nation bodybuilding forums you'd know why.
I buy my meat in bulk from my mates nans farm. Can stroke a cow in the morning and have her body on my plate in the afternoon, same as my chicken and my eggs. |
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"I don't think it's cheaper to eat healthy, just look at the price of meat. If a family is on a low income are they going to spend 6 or 7 quid on some chicken breasts or go to Iceland and buy 1kg of chips large pizzas and garlic bread or some other similar meal. It is expensive to eat healthily and if the government are moaning about people being overweight they should make the bad foods expensive and cut some deal with the farmers where they use the money made off the shit food to pay the first few quid on quality meats. "
poppycock ! People eat far to much meat in to bigger portions these days. Its cheaper to buy a whole chicken and dissect it yourself than buy chicken breasts.Then make soup using the carcass and bones for stock or use the stock for a risotto.Processed food isnt cheap and full of sugar and unhealthy fats and chemicals. Fresh fruit and veg is cheap.But i get the impression a lot of people have forgotten how to cook. Yeah yeah time. You dont have time to cook from scratch.
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"Yes more of us are overweight. We need to exercise more and eat more of the right foods. Plus portion control. Sedentary jobs don't help either unfortunately.
We know the theory. It's just getting everyone to practice it. We are all ultimately responsible for our own health.
This! Im obese yes. But do i eat unhealthy food? Majority of the time no. I drink water ot coffee and rarely have fizzy drinks. We probably have takeaway once every two weeks at the most. I dont exercise enough and thats my problem. I do my best but it annoys me when its presumed an excuse. I leave the house at 7 and get home at 7. Make tea and put the kids to bed at 8. Thats 2 hours i have in the evening before i need sleep and usually the last think i want to do is clean and do the housework never mind get out a workout dvd. Im aneamic and everything is a chore and makes me tired and i know my weight doesnt help that.
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Yesterday I got up at 5.30 worked until 3. Took my child until bed time. Cleaned and prepared his and my food for today then took the baby monitor to my batcave for a 35 min workout and 30 min cycle on a turbo trainer. Shower and bed. That is my week day after day.
Thankfully I don't have to deal with anemia but I totally get how you feel but for my sanity I have to at least tell myself at the beginning of each day that I'm going to do some form of exercise. oh and by the way, you to me don't look overweight |
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"Yes more of us are overweight. We need to exercise more and eat more of the right foods. Plus portion control. Sedentary jobs don't help either unfortunately.
We know the theory. It's just getting everyone to practice it. We are all ultimately responsible for our own health.
This! Im obese yes. But do i eat unhealthy food? Majority of the time no. I drink water ot coffee and rarely have fizzy drinks. We probably have takeaway once every two weeks at the most. I dont exercise enough and thats my problem. I do my best but it annoys me when its presumed an excuse. I leave the house at 7 and get home at 7. Make tea and put the kids to bed at 8. Thats 2 hours i have in the evening before i need sleep and usually the last think i want to do is clean and do the housework never mind get out a workout dvd. Im aneamic and everything is a chore and makes me tired and i know my weight doesnt help that.
Yesterday I got up at 5.30 worked until 3. Took my child until bed time. Cleaned and prepared his and my food for today then took the baby monitor to my batcave for a 35 min workout and 30 min cycle on a turbo trainer. Shower and bed. That is my week day after day.
Thankfully I don't have to deal with anemia but I totally get how you feel but for my sanity I have to at least tell myself at the beginning of each day that I'm going to do some form of exercise. oh and by the way, you to me don't look overweight "
I only wish i had the energy as i do enjoy exercise and i plan to get back to it in the next few weeks. But its the time and energy i struggle with xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm (L) to be fortunate to be in the position that I have as much time as I want to source and prep food. Semi-retirement for health reasons means I can look after us without worrying what time I get home. I'm already home 
Will cheat occasionally when out or a night in/takeaway BUT mostly it's all cooked.
We use MuscleFood and Teabgs - I know what you're saying but it's been debunked on several occasions now.
Where do you think many butchers and supermarkets get their meat from?....
They are one of the largest suppliers in the UK to the trade and went online as sick of the big 4 dictating to them what they'd pay not what it was sold at.
I agree with many above that laziness, lack of basic skills and a consumer industry who drive the buying habits through misinformation are largely to blame.
A lot of us aren't blameless though no many need to realise that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes more of us are overweight. We need to exercise more and eat more of the right foods. Plus portion control. Sedentary jobs don't help either unfortunately.
We know the theory. It's just getting everyone to practice it. We are all ultimately responsible for our own health.
This! Im obese yes. But do i eat unhealthy food? Majority of the time no. I drink water ot coffee and rarely have fizzy drinks. We probably have takeaway once every two weeks at the most. I dont exercise enough and thats my problem. I do my best but it annoys me when its presumed an excuse. I leave the house at 7 and get home at 7. Make tea and put the kids to bed at 8. Thats 2 hours i have in the evening before i need sleep and usually the last think i want to do is clean and do the housework never mind get out a workout dvd. Im aneamic and everything is a chore and makes me tired and i know my weight doesnt help that.
Yesterday I got up at 5.30 worked until 3. Took my child until bed time. Cleaned and prepared his and my food for today then took the baby monitor to my batcave for a 35 min workout and 30 min cycle on a turbo trainer. Shower and bed. That is my week day after day.
Thankfully I don't have to deal with anemia but I totally get how you feel but for my sanity I have to at least tell myself at the beginning of each day that I'm going to do some form of exercise. oh and by the way, you to me don't look overweight "
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"I don't think it's cheaper to eat healthy, just look at the price of meat. If a family is on a low income are they going to spend 6 or 7 quid on some chicken breasts or go to Iceland and buy 1kg of chips large pizzas and garlic bread or some other similar meal. It is expensive to eat healthily and if the government are moaning about people being overweight they should make the bad foods expensive and cut some deal with the farmers where they use the money made off the shit food to pay the first few quid on quality meats. "
You can buy a whole chicken for less than that and that i manage to stretch over 2-3 meals for my family of 4. A bag of potatoes in aldi costs less than a bag of chips. I make homemade oven chips with the skin on because I'm too lazy to peel (and it's healthier but don't tell the kids!) and the kids prefer them. It's pure laziness for the majority of people. |
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"I don't think it's cheaper to eat healthy, just look at the price of meat. If a family is on a low income are they going to spend 6 or 7 quid on some chicken breasts or go to Iceland and buy 1kg of chips large pizzas and garlic bread or some other similar meal. It is expensive to eat healthily and if the government are moaning about people being overweight they should make the bad foods expensive and cut some deal with the farmers where they use the money made off the shit food to pay the first few quid on quality meats. poppycock ! People eat far to much meat in to bigger portions these days. Its cheaper to buy a whole chicken and dissect it yourself than buy chicken breasts.Then make soup using the carcass and bones for stock or use the stock for a risotto.Processed food isnt cheap and full of sugar and unhealthy fats and chemicals. Fresh fruit and veg is cheap.But i get the impression a lot of people have forgotten how to cook. Yeah yeah time. You dont have time to cook from scratch. "
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"I don't think it's cheaper to eat healthy, just look at the price of meat. If a family is on a low income are they going to spend 6 or 7 quid on some chicken breasts or go to Iceland and buy 1kg of chips large pizzas and garlic bread or some other similar meal. It is expensive to eat healthily and if the government are moaning about people being overweight they should make the bad foods expensive and cut some deal with the farmers where they use the money made off the shit food to pay the first few quid on quality meats. "
This still doesn't explain why calories can't be counted. Surely just because it's cheaper, it doesn't mean that more should be eaten. |
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The BMI chart was used in ww2 it's out of date and needs doing again ....yes the public are getting fatter due to the amount of fast food and a crap diet ,but some do have medical conditions that make them put on weight ,thyroid problems ,long tearm steroid treatment and lymphoma problems ,I could go on ,we do need to take more exercise and have a better diet ,but sex is very good so have lots lol |
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"The BMI chart was used in ww2 it's out of date and needs doing again ....yes the public are getting fatter due to the amount of fast food and a crap diet ,but some do have medical conditions that make them put on weight ,thyroid problems ,long tearm steroid treatment and lymphoma problems ,I could go on ,we do need to take more exercise and have a better diet ,but sex is very good so have lots lol "
Obesity affects all of those conditions. Not many will have become obese as a result. Despite steroid courses and having my blood exchanged for almost pure glucose, I've kept my calorie intake down. It's possible to avoid gaining weight against the odds. |
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Well I sincerely hope this thread isn't closed down!
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Threads are not shut down just for mentioning BMI or BBW. It is normally when all hell breaks loose.
Keep it civil and the discussion stays open "
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"Yes more of us are overweight. We need to exercise more and eat more of the right foods. Plus portion control. Sedentary jobs don't help either unfortunately.
We know the theory. It's just getting everyone to practice it. We are all ultimately responsible for our own health.
This! Im obese yes. But do i eat unhealthy food? Majority of the time no. I drink water ot coffee and rarely have fizzy drinks. We probably have takeaway once every two weeks at the most. I dont exercise enough and thats my problem. I do my best but it annoys me when its presumed an excuse. I leave the house at 7 and get home at 7. Make tea and put the kids to bed at 8. Thats 2 hours i have in the evening before i need sleep and usually the last think i want to do is clean and do the housework never mind get out a workout dvd. Im aneamic and everything is a chore and makes me tired and i know my weight doesnt help that.
Yesterday I got up at 5.30 worked until 3. Took my child until bed time. Cleaned and prepared his and my food for today then took the baby monitor to my batcave for a 35 min workout and 30 min cycle on a turbo trainer. Shower and bed. That is my week day after day.
Thankfully I don't have to deal with anemia but I totally get how you feel but for my sanity I have to at least tell myself at the beginning of each day that I'm going to do some form of exercise. oh and by the way, you to me don't look overweight
Big claps to you. "
I'm sensing sarcasm lol but I'm not trying preach I'm just saying how my life works. I was a fat kid, very fat kid and everyone took great pleasure in telling me so. I had an ulcer at 16 and between my doctor and dietician I was left with a pretty clear choice. I'm not concerned how my body looks but I have a child and I would like to see him grow old. Going back to my old ways cuts those chances dramatically |
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BMI is a useless measurement but the fact it's going up can only indicate increased muscle mass or fat and we all know the country hasn't moved to office jobs and suddenly become heroically muscular. Getting people to be healthy is important but it's a tricky subject. I'm all for the government trying to push, cajole, persuade, encourage, support people to be healthy. I think it's environmentally and socially responsible and ethical to be reasonably fit, healthy and slim.
However, whatever your position it's chuffing hard to get to the weight you want. People shouldn't be cruelly treated because they're overweight.
If the government were to offer strict fat camps where I was fairly harshly treated to get people down to their target weight though I would happily sign up!
But BMI is still junk science. It's about the silliest way to track someonese obesity that you could come up with and it's been known to be silly for a long time. It is, at best, a very approximate rule of thumb but there have ALWAYS been better ways of working it out. |
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Male half of couple here.
BMI is significantly flawed for many people.
Mine is 27.5 which makes me significantly overweight, heading toward obese.
Pic in profile is maybe 8 or 9 months old but I'm the same now as then (this is not a sly "look at me" attempt, honest!)
That said, I know lots of guys in the gym who are significantly overweight, several stone of fat and use the "muscle weighs more than fat" mantra to explain it.
There is no body shaming intended here but I think our perception of what "normal" looks like has changed.
We now think "average" is " normal" when in fact average is overweight.
So where years ago being a stone or two overweight was a concern, these days being several stone overweight is just normal, nothing to bother addressing. And as a result, the ailments that come from being overweight are just "normal" too. |
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"Sadly the obesity crisis is on the up. The statistics for kids are frightening. They are taken at 5 & 11 years old. Im a student dietitian and im faced with constant issues of metabolic disease (diabetes, cvd, cholesterol and BP)
The fat around your middle is an indication of further health risks.
Google metabolic disease or central adiposity risk.
I see this daily, I have neighbours 2 doors down and their grandchildren visit regular, one 11 and the other 9, they are grossly overweight same as their parents
They have started walking with me when I take the dogs out for a walk (6 or 7 miles) they say they never go for walks with parents but they do go for treats - a treat to them is a visit to McDonalds, they are lovely kids but they are going to be picked on when they go upto secondary school due to their weight
Just goes to show that kids are a product of the way their parents bring them up!
It's great that you're taking those kids out - and hopefully they'll pressurise their parents into getting out and about with them!
We aren't just obese as a nation because we exercise less - though that is obviously a factor! Most of weight gain/retention is down to diet!
In this country we eat more ready meals than the whole of Europe combined- most of us no longer cook because we can't/don't want to/claim we haven't the time. Food high in sugar and fat is cheaper and more accessible than it's ever been!
Frankly, for most people, it's just far easier to be obese than it is to take action to lose weight!
Though I disagree with 'body shaming' - I also disagree that we should be encouraging people to 'love your body whatever size you are - particularly if you're morbidly obese!
I'm not sure what the answer is - but if I were in power i'd make weekly cookery classes compulsory in children from primary up to the age of 18. If kids can cook quick, tasty, cheap, healthy meals in minutes they're less likely to want junk food regularly - and their parents might learn from them!
I'd also tax fatty and sugary foods and use the money to subside healthy foods!
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It's not just children I think a lot of adults could do with cookery classes too, to stop them reaching for convenience food. Too many 30+ people have no idea how to cook. My sister for one. It's shameful. |
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The old 'can you pinch more than an inch' is a far better indicator than BMI. In addition it's about are your organs functioning correctly and can you carry out basic excercise without blowing out of your arse. |
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"The old 'can you pinch more than an inch' is a far better indicator than BMI. In addition it's about are your organs functioning correctly and can you carry out basic excercise without blowing out of your arse. "
You got it in a little roundy nutshell |
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"The old 'can you pinch more than an inch' is a far better indicator than BMI. In addition it's about are your organs functioning correctly and can you carry out basic excercise without blowing out of your arse. "
To be honest, though, how many people do you think CAN'T pinch more than an inch? - Definitely the minority!
In about a generation we've gone up a couple of clothes sizes on average - bloody terrifying!! |
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"The only problem with that as I see it is that you can be relatively trim but fat on the inside which is where a lot of the danger is.
I'm not saying it's missleading but they also say that the fat around your tummy is the worst.
But then another study comes along and says something different I think the main problem is that the human animal was not really designed to last as long as it is doing so is more prone to diseases and things "
I agree in a way, im fat on the outside but on the inside im very healthy, my heart is in good shape, cholesterol levels are pretty low etc |
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"The old 'can you pinch more than an inch' is a far better indicator than BMI. In addition it's about are your organs functioning correctly and can you carry out basic excercise without blowing out of your arse.
You got it in a little roundy nutshell "
Nice photos! |
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Any BMI discussion always make me cringe, according to the standard BMI chart I am over weight at 5ft 5 and 11.5 stone (male half by the way) as is obvious from pictures neither of us would be classed as such.
Had to have a medical recently for life insurance, they did the works and I mentioned about my BMI. They said the only accurate way is to combine weight and height with hip and waist measurement, and she said based on those mine was perfect.
Although I do agree 100% there is a problem with people's weight and life style in this country people need to be educated rather than having one sided and half baked statistics thrown at them. |
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"I don't know why people need BMI. A visual check is all that's needed in most cases. It seems a lot of people are fooling themselves. "
Yep. I have no idea what my bmi is but i know I'm very overweight just by the amount of bulges i have....i don't need a calculation to tell me that! |
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the BMI is outdated and a load of bollox IMO
at 13.9st and 6ft tall with a reasonable amount of exercise a week (I walk everywhere locally, and a lot of that is uphill) I still come in as overweight  |
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"The old 'can you pinch more than an inch' is a far better indicator than BMI. In addition it's about are your organs functioning correctly and can you carry out basic excercise without blowing out of your arse.
You got it in a little roundy nutshell "
How bad. Little old me can't spell exercise. Lol. |
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"The old 'can you pinch more than an inch' is a far better indicator than BMI. In addition it's about are your organs functioning correctly and can you carry out basic excercise without blowing out of your arse.
To be honest, though, how many people do you think CAN'T pinch more than an inch? - Definitely the minority!
In about a generation we've gone up a couple of clothes sizes on average - bloody terrifying!! "
The generation above me were lucky to get a boiled sweet at Christmas; they didn't get treats every day as the norm. When I was a child our treat was an ice lolly on a Wednesday when the ice cream man came; now he's outside the school nearly every afternoon. I often see children eating sweets and crisps on their way to school,on the bus and teenagers coming out of the supermarket with boxes of doughnuts and fizzy drinks. Crap food is affordable nowadays and in abundance. |
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"The problem with the BMI is it doesn't account for bone density, muscle mass, the rate of water the individual retains. it's a guide, but should be taken with a pinch of salt. "
Oh god, don't start about salt lol |
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"I don't know why people need BMI. A visual check is all that's needed in most cases. It seems a lot of people are fooling themselves.
Yep. I have no idea what my bmi is but i know I'm very overweight just by the amount of bulges i have....i don't need a calculation to tell me that!"
 behave. You're not 'very' overweight at all! |
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I meet people weekly with organ failure who are there because they are overweight. BMI stands true for them. I guess it's just not important until it does affect your health, up until that point you would consider yourself healthy. |
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"I blame the video gaming culture our children will be us soon,when i was a kid i was out running around all the time"
What about all the fat bastards the same age as you or older...What's your excuse for them |
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"I don't know why people need BMI. A visual check is all that's needed in most cases. It seems a lot of people are fooling themselves.
Yep. I have no idea what my bmi is but i know I'm very overweight just by the amount of bulges i have....i don't need a calculation to tell me that!
behave. You're not 'very' overweight at all!"
I'm only 5ft 5 and a size 16. I think that is overweight. Last time i weighed myself i was 12 st 7. That is way too much...i feel it more than anything. I just feel uncomfortable and like my body is getting in the way all the time. That is all i need to know that i need to lose weight. |
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"I don't know why people need BMI. A visual check is all that's needed in most cases. It seems a lot of people are fooling themselves.
Yep. I have no idea what my bmi is but i know I'm very overweight just by the amount of bulges i have....i don't need a calculation to tell me that!
behave. You're not 'very' overweight at all!
I'm only 5ft 5 and a size 16. I think that is overweight. Last time i weighed myself i was 12 st 7. That is way too much...i feel it more than anything. I just feel uncomfortable and like my body is getting in the way all the time. That is all i need to know that i need to lose weight."
Well then, for you, obviously you need to lose weight. |
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BMI has no bearing on how healthy a person is inside.
For example, hubby is very tall and skinny, his bmi is 17 so classed as underweight. He has a very active job and is very fit. But, tests from the doc show he has elevated cholesterol levels and on the inside he is not in the best shape he could be.
Myself, i have a bmi of 38, recently come down from 42 thanks to slimming world. The same tests from our gp show me to be much healthier on the inside than hubby.
However, I have recently been diagnosed with gallstones. On poster states that being obese leads to them. My Gp tells me that losing weight is what has caused mine  |
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"BMI has no bearing on how healthy a person is inside.
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But its not meant to.
It's like going "my petrol gauge reading has no bearing on my engine health".
No shit.
The cost of complications for diabetes is now the single largest cost of the nhs.
I do wonder if perhaps there should be some punitive action against though who do not keep to thier treatment plans and end up costing a fortune in secondary costs |
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The cost of complications for diabetes is now the single largest cost of the nhs.
I do wonder if perhaps there should be some punitive action against though who do not keep to thier treatment plans and end up costing a fortune in secondary costs"
What kind of action ?
Will we do the same for those who do extreme sports and get hurt costing £1000's? Because they do it knowing there is a risk. |
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The cost of complications for diabetes is now the single largest cost of the nhs.
I do wonder if perhaps there should be some punitive action against though who do not keep to thier treatment plans and end up costing a fortune in secondary costs
What kind of action ?
Will we do the same for those who do extreme sports and get hurt costing £1000's? Because they do it knowing there is a risk. "
Well no because those doing extreme sports represent a tiny cost in comparison.
And they arent activly refusing treatment then comming back later with complications costing 50k+ to fix and life long costs following.
Perhaps if a skydiver landed funny broke thier leg refused treatmenr untill it became gangrenous and requires expensive amputation surgery, prosthetics and then disability suport for the rest of thier life your example would be comparable. |
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The cost of complications for diabetes is now the single largest cost of the nhs.
I do wonder if perhaps there should be some punitive action against though who do not keep to thier treatment plans and end up costing a fortune in secondary costs
What kind of action ?
Will we do the same for those who do extreme sports and get hurt costing £1000's? Because they do it knowing there is a risk.
Well no because those doing extreme sports represent a tiny cost in comparison.
And they arent activly refusing treatment then comming back later with complications costing 50k+ to fix and life long costs following.
Perhaps if a skydiver landed funny broke thier leg refused treatmenr untill it became gangrenous and requires expensive amputation surgery, prosthetics and then disability suport for the rest of thier life your example would be comparable."
Tell me your source that diabetes is the single biggest Cost? Surely heart disease and cancer are up there?
It's about education not punishing those with diabetes ? Someone loses a leg- I kind of think that's a punishment in itself ?
Diabetes isn't always about weight and BMI you do realise that ? |
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The cost of complications for diabetes is now the single largest cost of the nhs.
I do wonder if perhaps there should be some punitive action against though who do not keep to thier treatment plans and end up costing a fortune in secondary costs
What kind of action ?
Will we do the same for those who do extreme sports and get hurt costing £1000's? Because they do it knowing there is a risk.
Well no because those doing extreme sports represent a tiny cost in comparison.
And they arent activly refusing treatment then comming back later with complications costing 50k+ to fix and life long costs following.
Perhaps if a skydiver landed funny broke thier leg refused treatmenr untill it became gangrenous and requires expensive amputation surgery, prosthetics and then disability suport for the rest of thier life your example would be comparable.
Tell me your source that diabetes is the single biggest Cost? Surely heart disease and cancer are up there?
It's about education not punishing those with diabetes ? Someone loses a leg- I kind of think that's a punishment in itself ?
Diabetes isn't always about weight and BMI you do realise that ? "
Not related to that person's comment, but to find a good source for the economics of avoidable illnesses, look for "The economic burden of ill health due to diet, physical inactivity, smoking, alcohol and obesity in the UK: an update to 2006–07 NHS costs." |
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ive recently cut out drinking on a school night and now eat more fruit during the day. I try to walk a bit more, in the last 3 weeks i have lost 7lbs, really pleasde, hope I can continue, slowly but surely is my motto |
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The cost of complications for diabetes is now the single largest cost of the nhs.
I do wonder if perhaps there should be some punitive action against though who do not keep to thier treatment plans and end up costing a fortune in secondary costs
What kind of action ?
Will we do the same for those who do extreme sports and get hurt costing £1000's? Because they do it knowing there is a risk.
Well no because those doing extreme sports represent a tiny cost in comparison.
And they arent activly refusing treatment then comming back later with complications costing 50k+ to fix and life long costs following.
Perhaps if a skydiver landed funny broke thier leg refused treatmenr untill it became gangrenous and requires expensive amputation surgery, prosthetics and then disability suport for the rest of thier life your example would be comparable.
Tell me your source that diabetes is the single biggest Cost? Surely heart disease and cancer are up there?
It's about education not punishing those with diabetes ? Someone loses a leg- I kind of think that's a punishment in itself ?
Diabetes isn't always about weight and BMI you do realise that ? "
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/cost-of-diabetes.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33932930
Also its 10% of the nhs budget expected to rise to 17% in the near future.
And most of that cost (80%) isnt the diabeeties its the avoidablrcomplciations from people unwilling to change thier lifestyle.
So right there if people followed thier treatment plans we could save the nhs nearly 8 billion a year thats about the same as the tax on ciggerets makes.
Not to mention the savings for the DWP
And yes its not always about weight but its now 90% of new cases are type 2 which isnsteongly linked to weight and diet.
The thing is unlike cancer or heart disease the vast majority of the diabeeties bill is perfectly avoidable by the patients.
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I'm a size 10/12 and short. I'm very active, go to the gym every day, swim, squash, skiing etc but I certainly don't have any muscles and eat clean and healthy, no processed foods. However I am on the cusp of overweight /obese. Nobody believes me everyone thinks I look normal weight. I'm not happy with my weight but certainly don't feel I fit into the obese bracket. |
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"I'm a size 10/12 and short. I'm very active, go to the gym every day, swim, squash, skiing etc but I certainly don't have any muscles and eat clean and healthy, no processed foods. However I am on the cusp of overweight /obese. Nobody believes me everyone thinks I look normal weight. I'm not happy with my weight but certainly don't feel I fit into the obese bracket. "
I think the problem in your case is your not wanting to be considered overweight instead of actually acknowledging you ought to weigh less. It doesn't mean that the BMI measurement is wrong for you, it's just not nice to hear. |
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http://www.diabetes.co.uk/cost-of-diabetes.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33932930
Also its 10% of the nhs budget expected to rise to 17% in the near future.
And most of that cost (80%) isnt the diabeeties its the avoidablrcomplciations from people unwilling to change thier lifestyle.
So right there if people followed thier treatment plans we could save the nhs nearly 8 billion a year thats about the same as the tax on ciggerets makes.
Not to mention the savings for the DWP
And yes its not always about weight but its now 90% of new cases are type 2 which isnsteongly linked to weight and diet.
The thing is unlike cancer or heart disease the vast majority of the diabeeties bill is perfectly avoidable by the patients.
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Some of what you say , yes I agree. But ! Type 2 is often age related , can be from pregnancy , a shock can cause it. And yes weight contributes too.
Heart /cancer we don't yet know with cancer what causes it and having lost both parents young to it I wish we did.
Heart - you could sometimes argue is due to lifestyle too.
I just think diabetes needs educating on more rather than beating people with a stick about it.
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"Is it wrong I'm eating a Jaffa cake while reading this thread 
Nah. 1g of fat. The Jaffa bit may be classed as one of your five a day  "
Oh that's ok then I have just walked 2 miles so I can handle a Jaffa |
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"Is it wrong I'm eating a Jaffa cake while reading this thread "
Yes it is - as is the 'snack size' mars bar type thingy I've just eaten!
Do you think we'll be thrown into fab jail? |
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Well according to bmi I am overweight. Please look at my pics and tell me that's true!
We need to educate kids. Provide free fitness activities. Free swimming and subsidise sports clubs
We have just had new bike track built in town and its amazing to see all the kids out playing. Teenagers down to little ones. They absolutely love it but some kids are having to share bikes because they don't own one |
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"Is it wrong I'm eating a Jaffa cake while reading this thread
Yes it is - as is the 'snack size' mars bar type thingy I've just eaten!
Do you think we'll be thrown into fab jail? "
Yes I hope they have vodka and wine there |
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"Is it wrong I'm eating a Jaffa cake while reading this thread
Yes it is - as is the 'snack size' mars bar type thingy I've just eaten!
Do you think we'll be thrown into fab jail?
Yes I hope they have vodka and wine there "
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"Well according to bmi I am overweight. Please look at my pics and tell me that's true!
We need to educate kids. Provide free fitness activities. Free swimming and subsidise sports clubs
We have just had new bike track built in town and its amazing to see all the kids out playing. Teenagers down to little ones. They absolutely love it but some kids are having to share bikes because they don't own one"
Muscle is more dense than fat but you don't look over 11 stone xxx
My bmi is 26 and I'm close to 12 % fat
Bmi is a fair simple guide for the average sedentary person xxx
Useless for anyone more informed and athletic |
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"Eat less. Move more.
And yes, I am overweight, obese a fatty-mc-fatterson, so I know it sounds easy!"
Eat RIGHT, move more. I struggle to lose weight if I follow the NHS guidelines for diabetes as there are too many carbs on the plate. My body cannot handle them.
Since finding slimming world I have lost 2 stone and 4 dress sizes. My running has come on loads and I do so much more exercise than before.
I don't know what clicked in my head nut I'm glad it did. The only person who can make a person succeed is themselves. No amount of pushing or fat shaming from anyone will do it. In fact the more I got told I was fat the fatter I got.
It is not an East battle and it is not just a physical one either as there are a lot of psychological issues with over eating. It is as unhealthy mentally to eat yourself to 40 stone as it is to starve yourself to 4 yet for some reason the morbidly obese are seen as fair game for jibes and piss taking when anorexic people are given support and care. |
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It is all about education, portion control and restriction/dedication, what someone does now will show in about 3 months. To lose weight keep it below 1400kcal with lots of cardio. |
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"Eat less. Move more.
And yes, I am overweight, obese a fatty-mc-fatterson, so I know it sounds easy!
Eat RIGHT, move more. I struggle to lose weight if I follow the NHS guidelines for diabetes as there are too many carbs on the plate. My body cannot handle them.
Since finding slimming world I have lost 2 stone and 4 dress sizes. My running has come on loads and I do so much more exercise than before.
I don't know what clicked in my head nut I'm glad it did. The only person who can make a person succeed is themselves. No amount of pushing or fat shaming from anyone will do it. In fact the more I got told I was fat the fatter I got.
It is not an East battle and it is not just a physical one either as there are a lot of psychological issues with over eating. It is as unhealthy mentally to eat yourself to 40 stone as it is to starve yourself to 4 yet for some reason the morbidly obese are seen as fair game for jibes and piss taking when anorexic people are given support and care. "
This its always presumed with obesity people eat too much and sit on there arses.
My sister has always been about 8 stone and very slim. She can eat as much as she likes and not put on wright but when she had a drink problem she put on weight super fast. Theres more than one cause and more than one treatment. I think we should get more help in recognising whats making us obese. Sure alot it may be common reasons of poor eating etc but not for all xx |
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"I'm a size 10/12 and short. I'm very active, go to the gym every day, swim, squash, skiing etc but I certainly don't have any muscles and eat clean and healthy, no processed foods. However I am on the cusp of overweight /obese. Nobody believes me everyone thinks I look normal weight. I'm not happy with my weight but certainly don't feel I fit into the obese bracket.
I think the problem in your case is your not wanting to be considered overweight instead of actually acknowledging you ought to weigh less. It doesn't mean that the BMI measurement is wrong for you, it's just not nice to hear. "
Erm no! I said I wanted to weigh less, I gained due to medication and I spend 8 hours a week exercising to try are lose weight, along with a very strict healthy diet! I hate my weight, I hate myself for being this Wright, I hate everyone that tells me I look good, I hate it when people on here get self righteous and think they're perfect!! |
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My BMI is 21.8. But I'm not fit at all.
I suspect the body mass I do have is all fat and I have no muscle. I'm working on it though.
I think we all do what we need to do. Sometimes other people have different priorities in life and health/fitness takes a back seat.
I moved here only recently and everyone here goes running and to the gym. Where I lived in Wales, no one worked out. At all. It has been a huge contrast. Everyone here is mega fit and there's nothing like peer pressure to make you go for a run. |
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http://www.diabetes.co.uk/cost-of-diabetes.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33932930
Also its 10% of the nhs budget expected to rise to 17% in the near future.
And most of that cost (80%) isnt the diabeeties its the avoidablrcomplciations from people unwilling to change thier lifestyle.
So right there if people followed thier treatment plans we could save the nhs nearly 8 billion a year thats about the same as the tax on ciggerets makes.
Not to mention the savings for the DWP
And yes its not always about weight but its now 90% of new cases are type 2 which isnsteongly linked to weight and diet.
The thing is unlike cancer or heart disease the vast majority of the diabeeties bill is perfectly avoidable by the patients.
Some of what you say , yes I agree. But ! Type 2 is often age related , can be from pregnancy , a shock can cause it. And yes weight contributes too.
Heart /cancer we don't yet know with cancer what causes it and having lost both parents young to it I wish we did.
Heart - you could sometimes argue is due to lifestyle too.
I just think diabetes needs educating on more rather than beating people with a stick about it.
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But the thing is the cost here isnt thier diabeties thats wuite cheap.
The cost is comming from avoidable complications caused by them ignoring thier doctors.
They're being educated theyre being told by a doctor "unles syou change a diet you may go blind, lose a limb, develop organ failure".
And they're igoring it.
What else can you do at that point? |
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I've got a lot of immune disorders now, had diabetes about 20 years now and just been diagnosed with rheumatiod arthritis, was born with eczema.
I think being overweight might make this stuff worse though, definitely the joint problems and diabetes. |
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http://www.diabetes.co.uk/cost-of-diabetes.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33932930
Also its 10% of the nhs budget expected to rise to 17% in the near future.
And most of that cost (80%) isnt the diabeeties its the avoidablrcomplciations from people unwilling to change thier lifestyle.
So right there if people followed thier treatment plans we could save the nhs nearly 8 billion a year thats about the same as the tax on ciggerets makes.
Not to mention the savings for the DWP
And yes its not always about weight but its now 90% of new cases are type 2 which isnsteongly linked to weight and diet.
The thing is unlike cancer or heart disease the vast majority of the diabeeties bill is perfectly avoidable by the patients.
Some of what you say , yes I agree. But ! Type 2 is often age related , can be from pregnancy , a shock can cause it. And yes weight contributes too.
Heart /cancer we don't yet know with cancer what causes it and having lost both parents young to it I wish we did.
Heart - you could sometimes argue is due to lifestyle too.
I just think diabetes needs educating on more rather than beating people with a stick about it.
But the thing is the cost here isnt thier diabeties thats wuite cheap.
The cost is comming from avoidable complications caused by them ignoring thier doctors.
They're being educated theyre being told by a doctor "unles syou change a diet you may go blind, lose a limb, develop organ failure".
And they're igoring it.
What else can you do at that point?"
What else do they do with alcoholics, smokers, drug users etc etc I know it's hard for people who don't have issues with food to understand but for some overweight people (not all I grant you) food is an addiction only it's an auction to something you can't go cold turkey on.
For me personally I have massive issues with fairness. Why can't I eat that chocolate bar. They can, it's not fair...his portion is more than mine,I must have that portion size or its not fair...I am lucky in that I recognise it and am working hard to change my thinking around food but it's not easy and I do relapse and eat shit for a couple of days.
There is no support for it though. No food counselling service, no eating disorder clinics for the morbidly obese. Just people who are happy to fat shame 'for their own good'. |
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http://www.diabetes.co.uk/cost-of-diabetes.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33932930
Also its 10% of the nhs budget expected to rise to 17% in the near future.
And most of that cost (80%) isnt the diabeeties its the avoidablrcomplciations from people unwilling to change thier lifestyle.
So right there if people followed thier treatment plans we could save the nhs nearly 8 billion a year thats about the same as the tax on ciggerets makes.
Not to mention the savings for the DWP
And yes its not always about weight but its now 90% of new cases are type 2 which isnsteongly linked to weight and diet.
The thing is unlike cancer or heart disease the vast majority of the diabeeties bill is perfectly avoidable by the patients.
Some of what you say , yes I agree. But ! Type 2 is often age related , can be from pregnancy , a shock can cause it. And yes weight contributes too.
Heart /cancer we don't yet know with cancer what causes it and having lost both parents young to it I wish we did.
Heart - you could sometimes argue is due to lifestyle too.
I just think diabetes needs educating on more rather than beating people with a stick about it.
But the thing is the cost here isnt thier diabeties thats wuite cheap.
The cost is comming from avoidable complications caused by them ignoring thier doctors.
They're being educated theyre being told by a doctor "unles syou change a diet you may go blind, lose a limb, develop organ failure".
And they're igoring it.
What else can you do at that point?
What else do they do with alcoholics, smokers, drug users etc etc I know it's hard for people who don't have issues with food to understand but for some overweight people (not all I grant you) food is an addiction only it's an auction to something you can't go cold turkey on.
For me personally I have massive issues with fairness. Why can't I eat that chocolate bar. They can, it's not fair...his portion is more than mine,I must have that portion size or its not fair...I am lucky in that I recognise it and am working hard to change my thinking around food but it's not easy and I do relapse and eat shit for a couple of days.
There is no support for it though. No food counselling service, no eating disorder clinics for the morbidly obese. Just people who are happy to fat shame 'for their own good'."
Theres lots of suport though theough the nhs.
When I went onto medication that causes severe weight gain i was entered into a course on diet, nutrition and healthy eating me and another lad where the only two there who weren't morbidly obease though.
Was surprising just how uneducated the over weight people were about what they ate though.
Decent course tbh, bit basic but tbh the people who need it need to sort the fundamental basics before they get bothered with all the complicated stuff. |
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For the record, I have type 2 diabetes controlled by tablets. I also have polycyclic ovaries which cause insulin resistance (classic apple shaped body with abdominal fat) this contributes difficulty (but not impossibility) in losing weight.
I had the pcos way before the diabetes and in fact it was a contributing factor. For some reason people don't want to accept the possibility of other medical reasons for weight gain or difficulty in losing weight. Everybody's body is slightly different in what it can and cannot tolerate. There is no catchall solution, people need to work out what works for them.
I am lucky. I am fairly intelligent and was able to apply my own research into my conditions and try a few things out to see what would work for me. Lowering Carb intake to below that recommended by nhs dietitians worked for me. |
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I went on a course when I was diagnosed as well. As you say, perfectly good course but it taught the standard nhs 'plate' with a third of it being carbs or something like that.
One course is not lots of help. What other help is there provided by the nhs? |
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"Personally I believe the BMI is flawed as it doesn't take into account how much muscle you might have."
It does but it assumes an average not an extreme.
Its useful for the majority of the population.
For the population its not useful for they're generaly already on top of it.
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Perhaps part of the problem and maybe some if the solution lies with schools. Not much home economics being taught now a days and some parents heavy reliance on processed crap foods meanchildren aren't learning what is healthy and what isn't.
Perhaps instead of a nurse standing in front if you telling you how she cooks a bolognese there should be cooking classes that show people how to cook better. A lot of people learn better by doing rather than listening |
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"Personally I believe the BMI is flawed as it doesn't take into account how much muscle you might have.
It does but it assumes an average not an extreme.
Its useful for the majority of the population.
For the population its not useful for they're generaly already on top of it.
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Have to say I agree with this. The argument regarding muscle mass is only really appropriate for those on the extreme ends of the scale. For the majority it's a good indicator. |
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"I went on a course when I was diagnosed as well. As you say, perfectly good course but it taught the standard nhs 'plate' with a third of it being carbs or something like that.
One course is not lots of help. What other help is there provided by the nhs? "
Therapy, cbt, diet and nuteition advice, health checks/bloods to monitor things/identity problems.
Carbs are not a major issue as long as you aren't using very simple carbs.
For the vast majority of people a reasonable amount of carbs are helpful simply because ketosis or low carb diets a are very diffficult to stick to for most.
And if you're at the nhs cause you're overweight theyre probbaly correct in assuming you're going to be incapable of sticking to strict difficult diets without issue
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"I went on a course when I was diagnosed as well. As you say, perfectly good course but it taught the standard nhs 'plate' with a third of it being carbs or something like that.
One course is not lots of help. What other help is there provided by the nhs?
Therapy, cbt, diet and nuteition advice, health checks/bloods to monitor things/identity problems.
Carbs are not a major issue as long as you aren't using very simple carbs.
For the vast majority of people a reasonable amount of carbs are helpful simply because ketosis or low carb diets a are very diffficult to stick to for most.
And if you're at the nhs cause you're overweight theyre probbaly correct in assuming you're going to be incapable of sticking to strict difficult diets without issue
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Never been offered any form of therapy, cbt, help with image etc and have been overweight for a very long time. Health checks and blood tests have only been offered as a standard since diagnosis so unless you have diabetes it's not generally offered.
As I have said numerous times, carbs are an issue for me and for a large number of people in the diabetic community. Large numbers are reversing their diabetes through low carb diets yet the nhs continue to push their version of the healthy plate on the diabetic nutrition course I was offered.
I like the sly implication of my uneducated state though, that was nice of you. I had hoped my reasoned debate might indicate I am no fool. I'm fat but no fool, it's just taken me a while to start to realise what works for me and I have done that on my own. No nhs involvement. |
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Unfortunately, the sole method of using height and weight to determine BMI is very basic and does not yield accurate results. It can give a guideline, but by using this chart alone, the whole of the England rugby team is obese. If you want a more accurate idea of your BMI, you should see a nurse/doctor, they will take fat pinch measurements in various places around your body and then calculate a more accurate BMI measurement. |
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"The healthy weight range is based on a measurement known as the body mass index (BMI). This can be determined if you know your weight and your height.
I came across this on the BBC website and thought I would give it a go, came out with a BMI score of 24.4
The number of people with obesity in the UK has more than trebled in the last 25 years. Doctors now say that the condition is reaching 'epidemic' proportions, they reckon a BMI score of 30 and above is Obese
A person is considered obese if they are very overweight with a high degree of body fat.
Some experts believe obesity is responsible for more ill health than smoking. Being significantly overweight is linked to a wide range of health problems, including:
Diabetes
Heart disease
High blood pressure
Arthritis
Indigestion
Gallstones
Some cancers (eg, breast and prostate cancers)
Snoring and sleep apnoea
Stress, anxiety, and depression
Infertility
The impact of obesity in the UK
A Government report recently claimed that obesity will cost the NHS £6.4bn per year by 2015
In England data from 2011 shows that 24.8% of adults (16 or over) and 16.3% of children (2 -15) are obese
In Scotland data from 2010 shows 27.4% of adults and 14% of children are obese
Obesity is most prevalent in the North East of England and in the West Midlands
So do you believe these statistics and if so, what can be done to get people fighting fit & healthy
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Give all families free chicken, fish and veg and a swimming pool. |
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"Unfortunately, the sole method of using height and weight to determine BMI is very basic and does not yield accurate results. It can give a guideline, but by using this chart alone, the whole of the England rugby team is obese. If you want a more accurate idea of your BMI, you should see a nurse/doctor, they will take fat pinch measurements in various places around your body and then calculate a more accurate BMI measurement. "
Never had that done either lol last time I did that was in pe at school. My Dr's dint even have fancy scales that show total body fat percentage etc the gym instructors at work have better equipment than my diabetic nurse. I go and see them a couple of times a year for a check up on body far, muscle mass, water percentage and alk that jazz |
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"I went on a course when I was diagnosed as well. As you say, perfectly good course but it taught the standard nhs 'plate' with a third of it being carbs or something like that.
One course is not lots of help. What other help is there provided by the nhs?
Therapy, cbt, diet and nuteition advice, health checks/bloods to monitor things/identity problems.
Carbs are not a major issue as long as you aren't using very simple carbs.
For the vast majority of people a reasonable amount of carbs are helpful simply because ketosis or low carb diets a are very diffficult to stick to for most.
And if you're at the nhs cause you're overweight theyre probbaly correct in assuming you're going to be incapable of sticking to strict difficult diets without issue
Never been offered any form of therapy, cbt, help with image etc and have been overweight for a very long time. Health checks and blood tests have only been offered as a standard since diagnosis so unless you have diabetes it's not generally offered.
As I have said numerous times, carbs are an issue for me and for a large number of people in the diabetic community. Large numbers are reversing their diabetes through low carb diets yet the nhs continue to push their version of the healthy plate on the diabetic nutrition course I was offered.
I like the sly implication of my uneducated state though, that was nice of you. I had hoped my reasoned debate might indicate I am no fool. I'm fat but no fool, it's just taken me a while to start to realise what works for me and I have done that on my own. No nhs involvement."
I never once mentioned your education. I mentioned will power.
And have you ever asked for those things instead of waiting to be offered?
Youll have to wait as youre going to be a low priority below people who are an imediate risk to themselves but you can get on the list. |
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"Unfortunately, the sole method of using height and weight to determine BMI is very basic and does not yield accurate results. It can give a guideline, but by using this chart alone, the whole of the England rugby team is obese. If you want a more accurate idea of your BMI, you should see a nurse/doctor, they will take fat pinch measurements in various places around your body and then calculate a more accurate BMI measurement.
Never had that done either lol last time I did that was in pe at school. My Dr's dint even have fancy scales that show total body fat percentage etc the gym instructors at work have better equipment than my diabetic nurse. I go and see them a couple of times a year for a check up on body far, muscle mass, water percentage and alk that jazz "
Your doctor doesnt have those scales because they are wildly inaccurate |
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The reason this is such a big issue is because it such a BIG problem. The NHS is not to blame. BMI is calculated in kilograms/meter2. The definitions of what constitutes obesity are from the World Health Organistion.
The process is pretty obvious and makes sense. Your weight divided by your height squared. It's fair to everyone because a small height squared is a tiny number, a large height squared is a massive number to divide your weight by.
As for the crisis - it's multi factorial but the benefits of eating healthier and exercising more are not just on lowering your BMI.
What is needed in my opinion is a promotion of a general healthy active outdoor lifestyle above celebrity detoxes and fab diets. It's called a lifestyle for a reason.
And the reason I sound like a doctor is... |
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"The reason this is such a big issue is because it such a BIG problem. The NHS is not to blame. BMI is calculated in kilograms/meter2. The definitions of what constitutes obesity are from the World Health Organistion.
The process is pretty obvious and makes sense. Your weight divided by your height squared. It's fair to everyone because a small height squared is a tiny number, a large height squared is a massive number to divide your weight by.
As for the crisis - it's multi factorial but the benefits of eating healthier and exercising more are not just on lowering your BMI.
What is needed in my opinion is a promotion of a general healthy active outdoor lifestyle above celebrity detoxes and fab diets. It's called a lifestyle for a reason.
And the reason I sound like a doctor is..."
YOu were in casualty ? |
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"Unfortunately, the sole method of using height and weight to determine BMI is very basic and does not yield accurate results. It can give a guideline, but by using this chart alone, the whole of the England rugby team is obese. If you want a more accurate idea of your BMI, you should see a nurse/doctor, they will take fat pinch measurements in various places around your body and then calculate a more accurate BMI measurement.
Never had that done either lol last time I did that was in pe at school. My Dr's dint even have fancy scales that show total body fat percentage etc the gym instructors at work have better equipment than my diabetic nurse. I go and see them a couple of times a year for a check up on body far, muscle mass, water percentage and alk that jazz
Your doctor doesnt have those scales because they are wildly inaccurate "
Oh right. The ones my Dr uses look like they were built in the 70's lol
I weigh myself way too much on a number of different scales! |
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"Personally I believe the BMI is flawed as it doesn't take into account how much muscle you might have.
It does but it assumes an average not an extreme.
Its useful for the majority of the population.
For the population its not useful for they're generaly already on top of it.
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BMI was originally conceived as being useful for tracking changes in the obesity in populations NOT INDIVIDUALS. It's not even good for that because the calculation is based on a square law(implying a two dimensional relationship) and people are actually three dimensional.
This error along with the erroneous thinking that by measuring only height and weight you can tell if a person is obese or not makes BMI useless outside a very narrow body type, height and weight range.
So, relax,limit sugar to the odd treat and get lots of sex and sleep. You will feel better, be happier and even healthy  |
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I never used the BMI chart to calculate if I was overweight or not. My weighing scales and the fact that my clothes weren't fitting me told me what I needed to know.
As far as I'm aware, calorie control is much more important for weight loss than exercise. |
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A few of the peeps on here know my love of cooking and food. I cook from scratch 3 times a day and my meals come in at approx £2-2.50 a meal, unless I push the boat out.
I eat healthy, and I eat well. Most of my meals take less than 10 minutes from putting the pan on to serving. (I am extremely limited cooking facilities).
The main issues with food is that we have been dictated to and dumbed down over the last few generations since the advent of "convenience food" and many have never been taught how to plan meals and cook.
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