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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its so sad what happened, I only vaguely remember it but the fact that so much was covered up and concealed is awful. I hope that its a help for the families |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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While my heart goes out to the families the truth will never actually be heard. My uncle who lived on leppings lane (the road the stand is on at Hillsborough) was denied the opportunity to speak to the inquest by the families of the 96. He witnessed it all unfold, he was dragging people off the street in to his house to help them and yet they don't want to hear from him, what a shame it is and not everyone at fault that day will face justice. |
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My boys are Liverpool supporters but never really knew about Hillsborough until they clocked it on the news this morning. I explained it to them as best I could at their level but it was so hard. I stopped when the youngest was looking sad
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this  "
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ? |
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?"
whilst disagreeing with how you put it then yes once the crush developed given the lack of action, control, a safe stadium etc etc then there would still have been people possibly kiled but once that had started to happen the actions and response by those charged with managing the situation failed..
and after too.. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?"
Fans surging is human nature, if the police had delayed the kickoff, it would have calmed the fans down negating their impulse to surge |
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?"
They were forced into the gate by police, who then locked it behind them. That's part of the problem. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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question 7 is surely too broad a question. the fans that were in the crush were totally innocent. the ones at the back should not have applied pressure to the fans in front. the way is blocked why press against them. a terrible accident that apiralled out of control. there was no rule book. if someone buckled under pressure it couldnt simply stop. one massive legacy to this and bradford is safe grounds. terraces should not return and strategies maintained. |
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"Heartbreaking, the jury are just returning cause and time of death of each individual victim, so so sad "
only serves to highlight that many could have and should have survived had the correct response taken place..
deeply sad.. |
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By *donielMan
over a year ago
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YNWA the 96 and your undaunted families
you have taken on the State, the Police, the Media and the FA to prove the innocence of your loved ones and won.
I am proud to be a fellow Scouser. To those at fault, The Red Men are coming up the Hill. To those that helped including the great people of Sheffield who tried to, we thank you
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All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen. |
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"YNWA the 96 and your undaunted families
you have taken on the State, the Police, the Media and the FA to prove the innocence of your loved ones and won.
I am proud to be a fellow Scouser. To those at fault, The Red Men are coming up the Hill. To those that helped including the great people of Sheffield who tried to, we thank you
JFT96
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
They were forced into the gate by police, who then locked it behind them. That's part of the problem. "
they surged forward because they over crowded the inclosure they were crushed in a confined space against fencing barriers |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Justice at last after 27 years. Lets hope the families can have a life again. The determination has been unbelievable but the truth had at long long last comr out. RIP 96 xxx |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"question 7 is surely too broad a question. the fans that were in the crush were totally innocent. the ones at the back should not have applied pressure to the fans in front. the way is blocked why press against them. a terrible accident that apiralled out of control. there was no rule book. if someone buckled under pressure it couldnt simply stop. one massive legacy to this and bradford is safe grounds. terraces should not return and strategies maintained."
the police opened the gates when they shouldn't have the fans rushing in will have assumed that there was space for them. That's why we have crowd control to prevent this
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By (user no longer on site)
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My heart goes out to the victims. My respect goes out to the families who never gave up fighting. My contempt is reserved for the entire British establishment; some very powerful people have blood on their hands. This is not justice though. It is simply a recognition that the police, the political class, and the media conspired to blame the victims of crime for their own deaths before slandering an entire city...for 27 years. I feel sick to the stomach. But I've NEVER been more proud to be from Liverpool. |
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By *donielMan
over a year ago
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"My heart goes out to the victims. My respect goes out to the families who never gave up fighting. My contempt is reserved for the entire British establishment; some very powerful people have blood on their hands. This is not justice though. It is simply a recognition that the police, the political class, and the media conspired to blame the victims of crime for their own deaths before slandering an entire city...for 27 years. I feel sick to the stomach. But I've NEVER been more proud to be from Liverpool. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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FINALLY we have got what we wanted. As a lifelong Liverpool fan who goes every game and know people who died on that horrible day we finally after 27 years have the justice the families and us fans have fought for. We know who lied and that paper the S*N should be stopped from operating from now. YNWA GBNF JFT96 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As a northerner I've been following this for 27 years - since I sat in a van on the way to a nightclub with friends and heard it on the radio!
It stank from the outset - and it's appalling that it's taken this long for any kind of justice!
It didn't help that this disaster happened in the Thatcher era - when the working classes - particularly Northerners (the North/south divide was turned into a huge chasm by the way the miners strike etc was dealt with by government and police!) were seen as lesser human beings! football supporting was at that time the past-time of the working classes - not a corporate day out - so everyone at that match was already viewed as 'unimportant'!
When it happened - it was easy and logical for the police - with the help of the media - to turn the tables and turn the fans into the villains!
Had this disaster happened at a tennis match the outcome would have been completely different!
As far back as 1991 (I think) there was an excellent drama starring Christopher Eccleston which uncovered the whole sorry mess and web of lies - and yet nothing was done because nobody who 'mattered' was killed!
It took a huge weight of public insistence to get the inquest re-opened - and now there's finally a fair verdict I sincerely hope that those still alive who made those disasterous decisions and perpetuated those evil lies/cover-ups will be brought to justice and imprisoned! |
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As a Spurs fan I'm pleased that hopefully those involved will get some form of closure now - as someone who attended the 81 semi final in exactly the same place I know how close we were to a disaster that day - that was the scariest day in my football life - the thing that upsets me the most is that nothing was learnt from that - all football fans were "hooligans" and no one listened when we complained - why did no one listen... It was an accident waiting to happen and all those lives were lost because no one cared... Sad.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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At last the truth will out.The 96 can now rest in peace.That person who owns that shitty newspaper should now be prosecuted for slander.The days that followed Hillsborugh made me sick to my stomach with the lies he printed.R.I.P. 96. |
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By *donielMan
over a year ago
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"As a Spurs fan I'm pleased that hopefully those involved will get some form of closure now - as someone who attended the 81 semi final in exactly the same place I know how close we were to a disaster that day - that was the scariest day in my football life - the thing that upsets me the most is that nothing was learnt from that - all football fans were "hooligans" and no one listened when we complained - why did no one listen... It was an accident waiting to happen and all those lives were lost because no one cared... Sad.... "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Am very emotional at this outcome as a Liverpool fan for over 30 years..The dignity that the families have shown throughout this whole horrible affair cant be understated, even with the slander and abuse that has been hurled at them and their lost loved ones. They sent there family members off to watch a football match on a sunny spring day, and they never returned. To take 27 years for these outcomes is a travesty from the police and government. But that is for another day. The victims can genuinely RIP now. You'll Never Walk Alone. |
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South Yorkshire police have released a statement saying that they refuse to accept the verdict there were no crimes committed and the deaths were nothing but accidents!
Shows that even after 27 years they are still as corrupt now as they were then! |
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"South Yorkshire police have released a statement saying that they refuse to accept the verdict there were no crimes committed and the deaths were nothing but accidents!
Shows that even after 27 years they are still as corrupt now as they were then!"
they have?
just seen the Chief Constable accept the verdict and apologise on behalf of that force so a bit surprised that his police authority have said what you state.. |
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"South Yorkshire police have released a statement saying that they refuse to accept the verdict there were no crimes committed and the deaths were nothing but accidents!
Shows that even after 27 years they are still as corrupt now as they were then!
they have?
just seen the Chief Constable accept the verdict and apologise on behalf of that force so a bit surprised that his police authority have said what you state.."
Was on the News at 1. |
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?"
Why not say what you think instead of couching it in a question ?
While you're at it. What made the fans surge ?
What makes the sea roll in ? What makes a Tsunami ?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Justice for 96 at last, justice has been served and now the families can now go forward and not have this hanging over them! 96 people went to watch a footy match and never came home. Y.N.W.A |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?"
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
J. Lennon |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?"
So after all the evidence of the cover up for 96 people who died through no fault of their own you picked out that football fans surge on a terrace?
Football fans always surged on terraces even without them being overcrowded because a man had ordered a gate to be opened so those 96 fans could walk into a pen that was already full and walk to their deaths because of his incompetence.
This is exactly what these families have been up against for the last 27 years |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
So after all the evidence of the cover up for 96 people who died through no fault of their own you picked out that football fans surge on a terrace?
Football fans always surged on terraces even without them being overcrowded because a man had ordered a gate to be opened so those 96 fans could walk into a pen that was already full and walk to their deaths because of his incompetence.
This is exactly what these families have been up against for the last 27 years"
I couldn't have put that better |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
So after all the evidence of the cover up for 96 people who died through no fault of their own you picked out that football fans surge on a terrace?
Football fans always surged on terraces even without them being overcrowded because a man had ordered a gate to be opened so those 96 fans could walk into a pen that was already full and walk to their deaths because of his incompetence.
This is exactly what these families have been up against for the last 27 years"
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By *lighty1Woman
over a year ago
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"Was on the News at 1."
It wasn't on the BBC 1 News at 1. On the BBC News at 1, the Chief Constable unreservedly accepted the verdict, and accepted that the force had failed adequately to police the situation.
Can you please post a link to where you think you have seen a different statement from South Yorkshire police? Thank you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
They were forced into the gate by police, who then locked it behind them. That's part of the problem. they surged forward because they over crowded the inclosure they were crushed in a confined space against fencing barriers "
But wasn't they over crowded because so many turned up with out ticket this is only something I have heard and it's not my opinion |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
J. Lennon"
Actually not all the evidence. My uncle who lived on leppings lane witnessed it all unfold. He dragged fans off the streets in to his house to help them from the crushes. He has had an injunction against him as have other residents of leppings lane at the time from telling his story. This injunction was brought by the families of the 96. While I dont think syp are innocent and I would never defened their actions, they have rightly been found to be at fault, many others were that day too and they will never see the recourse they deserve. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
They were forced into the gate by police, who then locked it behind them. That's part of the problem. they surged forward because they over crowded the inclosure they were crushed in a confined space against fencing barriers
But wasn't they over crowded because so many turned up with out ticket this is only something I have heard and it's not my opinion "
No |
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As I said earlier it had been an accident waiting to happen since 81 to my knowledge possibly earlier - poor ground poor policing with no care for those attending - if you don't know the facts dont come trolling here this isn't the time or place  |
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
They were forced into the gate by police, who then locked it behind them. That's part of the problem. they surged forward because they over crowded the inclosure they were crushed in a confined space against fencing barriers
But wasn't they over crowded because so many turned up with out ticket this is only something I have heard and it's not my opinion "
Do some wider research instead of just the sun :/ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
J. Lennon
Actually not all the evidence. My uncle who lived on leppings lane witnessed it all unfold. He dragged fans off the streets in to his house to help them from the crushes. He has had an injunction against him as have other residents of leppings lane at the time from telling his story. This injunction was brought by the families of the 96. While I dont think syp are innocent and I would never defened their actions, they have rightly been found to be at fault, many others were that day too and they will never see the recourse they deserve. "
An injunction was brought in because some residents during the previous inquiry gave evidence that was found to be totally untrue. Claims where made my residents after a police questionnaire was issued, answers where given by some that where found to be fabricated, including answers from residents that at the time where not even in the area. That's why the families, authorities and even the coroner decided it would be damaging to the enquiry if they would be used as evidence after the lies from the previous one. |
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
So after all the evidence of the cover up for 96 people who died through no fault of their own you picked out that football fans surge on a terrace?
Football fans always surged on terraces even without them being overcrowded because a man had ordered a gate to be opened so those 96 fans could walk into a pen that was already full and walk to their deaths because of his incompetence.
This is exactly what these families have been up against for the last 27 years"
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
J. Lennon
Actually not all the evidence. My uncle who lived on leppings lane witnessed it all unfold. He dragged fans off the streets in to his house to help them from the crushes. He has had an injunction against him as have other residents of leppings lane at the time from telling his story. This injunction was brought by the families of the 96. While I dont think syp are innocent and I would never defened their actions, they have rightly been found to be at fault, many others were that day too and they will never see the recourse they deserve.
An injunction was brought in because some residents during the previous inquiry gave evidence that was found to be totally untrue. Claims where made my residents after a police questionnaire was issued, answers where given by some that where found to be fabricated, including answers from residents that at the time where not even in the area. That's why the families, authorities and even the coroner decided it would be damaging to the enquiry if they would be used as evidence after the lies from the previous one. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
J. Lennon
Actually not all the evidence. My uncle who lived on leppings lane witnessed it all unfold. He dragged fans off the streets in to his house to help them from the crushes. He has had an injunction against him as have other residents of leppings lane at the time from telling his story. This injunction was brought by the families of the 96. While I dont think syp are innocent and I would never defened their actions, they have rightly been found to be at fault, many others were that day too and they will never see the recourse they deserve.
An injunction was brought in because some residents during the previous inquiry gave evidence that was found to be totally untrue. Claims where made my residents after a police questionnaire was issued, answers where given by some that where found to be fabricated, including answers from residents that at the time where not even in the area. That's why the families, authorities and even the coroner decided it would be damaging to the enquiry if they would be used as evidence after the lies from the previous one. "
Well one or two did tell lies, the majority did not but the campaign used this to slander some of the good people that day regardless. My uncle isn't one of the liars and he will, although in his 90s today, stand by everything he said and would be willing to testify in a court of law. He was there to help everyone and anyone who needed it without prejudice and then he is branded a liar by the very people who he tried to help. Anyways what's done is done but there is a lot of people who will never be brought to justice for the deaths they were party responsible for thus the families will never have total justice or closure which is a real shame for them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
J. Lennon
Actually not all the evidence. My uncle who lived on leppings lane witnessed it all unfold. He dragged fans off the streets in to his house to help them from the crushes. He has had an injunction against him as have other residents of leppings lane at the time from telling his story. This injunction was brought by the families of the 96. While I dont think syp are innocent and I would never defened their actions, they have rightly been found to be at fault, many others were that day too and they will never see the recourse they deserve.
An injunction was brought in because some residents during the previous inquiry gave evidence that was found to be totally untrue. Claims where made my residents after a police questionnaire was issued, answers where given by some that where found to be fabricated, including answers from residents that at the time where not even in the area. That's why the families, authorities and even the coroner decided it would be damaging to the enquiry if they would be used as evidence after the lies from the previous one.
Well one or two did tell lies, the majority did not but the campaign used this to slander some of the good people that day regardless. My uncle isn't one of the liars and he will, although in his 90s today, stand by everything he said and would be willing to testify in a court of law. He was there to help everyone and anyone who needed it without prejudice and then he is branded a liar by the very people who he tried to help. Anyways what's done is done but there is a lot of people who will never be brought to justice for the deaths they were party responsible for thus the families will never have total justice or closure which is a real shame for them. "
One or two??
It was in the hundreds! But yes others where partly to blame, but thankfully none of them where Liverpool supporters, which after 27 years we have found out |
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
J. Lennon
Actually not all the evidence. My uncle who lived on leppings lane witnessed it all unfold. He dragged fans off the streets in to his house to help them from the crushes. He has had an injunction against him as have other residents of leppings lane at the time from telling his story. This injunction was brought by the families of the 96. While I dont think syp are innocent and I would never defened their actions, they have rightly been found to be at fault, many others were that day too and they will never see the recourse they deserve.
An injunction was brought in because some residents during the previous inquiry gave evidence that was found to be totally untrue. Claims where made my residents after a police questionnaire was issued, answers where given by some that where found to be fabricated, including answers from residents that at the time where not even in the area. That's why the families, authorities and even the coroner decided it would be damaging to the enquiry if they would be used as evidence after the lies from the previous one.
Well one or two did tell lies, the majority did not but the campaign used this to slander some of the good people that day regardless. My uncle isn't one of the liars and he will, although in his 90s today, stand by everything he said and would be willing to testify in a court of law. He was there to help everyone and anyone who needed it without prejudice and then he is branded a liar by the very people who he tried to help. Anyways what's done is done but there is a lot of people who will never be brought to justice for the deaths they were party responsible for thus the families will never have total justice or closure which is a real shame for them.
One or two??
It was in the hundreds! But yes others where partly to blame, but thankfully none of them where Liverpool supporters, which after 27 years we have found out"
It was not!! That's the smear that was brought against them. But as is with this case people believe what they want too and as someone who has listened to this man talk with a tear in his eye how he watched the events unfold I can categorically tell you regardless of today's decision there was plenty, the police were much more at fault that is not disputed but also guilty people have got away with it today. |
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"I would also add hundreds of people did not live on leppings lane so I don't know where you got that figure. "
It was hundreds from residential areas around the ground. It was clear from your very post on this topic that you still wanted to put some blame on the supporters, and now we have the truth you are still trying to deflect some of the blame on the fans.
This 2 year enquiry can also educate the deluded.
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I'm a life long Liverpool fan and this is very close to heart. I could have been in that end that day. I was only 13. I was doing some charity work at a service station on the m 62 that day and I remember the fans going to the match and still wonder how many of them came home.
The thing that gets me is the police on charge that day won't face no charges Al bet because they look after each or the stress of all this will mean they go on permanent sick leave. Thet should all loose there pensions at the very least but I doubt it.
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This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over. |
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"This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over. "
So who else is to blame?
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"This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over.
So who else is to blame?
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Do you really need to ask? Please don't take this as blaming everyone as I'm not.
I just feel bad for the families that not everyone who is accountable will have to answer to today's decision. |
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"This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over.
So who else is to blame?
Do you really need to ask? Please don't take this as blaming everyone as I'm not.
I just feel bad for the families that not everyone who is accountable will have to answer to today's decision."
I do need to ask yes, as you keep stating others are to blame, yet you fail to say who.
The 2 year enquiry and jury have gone through all the evidence and come to the conclusion, that everyone already knew.
We know who you still think some of the blame lies on, not sure why cant you say it though? |
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"This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over.
So who else is to blame?
Do you really need to ask? Please don't take this as blaming everyone as I'm not.
I just feel bad for the families that not everyone who is accountable will have to answer to today's decision.
I do need to ask yes, as you keep stating others are to blame, yet you fail to say who.
The 2 year enquiry and jury have gone through all the evidence and come to the conclusion, that everyone already knew.
We know who you still think some of the blame lies on, not sure why cant you say it though?"
Because what good will come of pointing fingers?
As I've said I don't think, I know. Have you ever spent time with someone completely impartial to the whole thing and listen to the horrible things and then for him to be completely ignored and branded a liar when he did nothing but help.
I'm not wanting an argument over it not when I just want the right people, all of them, to come to justice for the poor people that day. |
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I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
No You're not an expert.
A jury spent 300 days (Longest in legal history) sifting through evidence and decided the fans were NOT to blame surging or not.
Some people can never get the idea into their heads that there has been a massive cover up and invention of "evidence" that the fans were to blame for their own deaths.
"Living is easy with eyes closed
Misunderstanding all you see"
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Actually not all the evidence. My uncle who lived on leppings lane witnessed it all unfold. He dragged fans off the streets in to his house to help them from the crushes. He has had an injunction against him as have other residents of leppings lane at the time from telling his story. This injunction was brought by the families of the 96. While I dont think syp are innocent and I would never defened their actions, they have rightly been found to be at fault, many others were that day too and they will never see the recourse they deserve.
An injunction was brought in because some residents during the previous inquiry gave evidence that was found to be totally untrue. Claims where made my residents after a police questionnaire was issued, answers where given by some that where found to be fabricated, including answers from residents that at the time where not even in the area. That's why the families, authorities and even the coroner decided it would be damaging to the enquiry if they would be used as evidence after the lies from the previous one.
Well one or two did tell lies, the majority did not but the campaign used this to slander some of the good people that day regardless. My uncle isn't one of the liars and he will, although in his 90s today, stand by everything he said and would be willing to testify in a court of law. He was there to help everyone and anyone who needed it without prejudice and then he is branded a liar by the very people who he tried to help. Anyways what's done is done but there is a lot of people who will never be brought to justice for the deaths they were party responsible for thus the families will never have total justice or closure which is a real shame for them. "
So who are you saying is also to blame? As a Scouser I'd love to know. Considering the verdicts today. |
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Inquests into the 96 football fans who died in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster have concluded they were unlawfully killed, with the jury finding match commander - former Ch Supt David Duckenfield - "responsible for manslaughter by gross negligence" due to a breach of his duty of care
But hes still got his nice big fat pension, hopefully wont be long before he gets that knock on his door.
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I grew up near Hillsbrough and it's still the thing people ask about when they hear where your from. I hope the verdicts today can help allow the families to move on and gain closure. |
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"Inquests into the 96 football fans who died in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster have concluded they were unlawfully killed, with the jury finding match commander - former Ch Supt David Duckenfield - "responsible for manslaughter by gross negligence" due to a breach of his duty of care
But hes still got his nice big fat pension, hopefully wont be long before he gets that knock on his door.
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"This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over.
So who else is to blame?
Do you really need to ask? Please don't take this as blaming everyone as I'm not.
I just feel bad for the families that not everyone who is accountable will have to answer to today's decision.
I do need to ask yes, as you keep stating others are to blame, yet you fail to say who.
The 2 year enquiry and jury have gone through all the evidence and come to the conclusion, that everyone already knew.
We know who you still think some of the blame lies on, not sure why cant you say it though?
Because what good will come of pointing fingers?
As I've said I don't think, I know. Have you ever spent time with someone completely impartial to the whole thing and listen to the horrible things and then for him to be completely ignored and branded a liar when he did nothing but help.
I'm not wanting an argument over it not when I just want the right people, all of them, to come to justice for the poor people that day. "
Well I will say, Liverpool fans where NOT to blame for any part of the disaster. Unlawfull killing is the verdict, and the right one.
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"This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over.
So who else is to blame?
Do you really need to ask? Please don't take this as blaming everyone as I'm not.
I just feel bad for the families that not everyone who is accountable will have to answer to today's decision.
I do need to ask yes, as you keep stating others are to blame, yet you fail to say who.
The 2 year enquiry and jury have gone through all the evidence and come to the conclusion, that everyone already knew.
We know who you still think some of the blame lies on, not sure why cant you say it though?
Because what good will come of pointing fingers?
As I've said I don't think, I know. Have you ever spent time with someone completely impartial to the whole thing and listen to the horrible things and then for him to be completely ignored and branded a liar when he did nothing but help.
I'm not wanting an argument over it not when I just want the right people, all of them, to come to justice for the poor people that day.
Well I will say, Liverpool fans where NOT to blame for any part of the disaster. Unlawfull killing is the verdict, and the right one.
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I whole heartedly agree with you regarding the verdict and I would never blame anyone for a fews actions. |
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"All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen. "
Though I hope you're wrong on the last point.
There is clearly something very rotten at the heart of policing in Yorshire |
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"This is not people who lived around the ground, this is a guy who lived approx 50 meters from the turnstiles, on the same road as the stand. A man who evidence did not suit so was slandered to keep away.
It clearly didn't work on the deluded, some still want to ignore the inconvenient truth that others as well as the police are to blame. The law and courts are not always 100% correct, that has been proven many many times over.
So who else is to blame?
Do you really need to ask? Please don't take this as blaming everyone as I'm not.
I just feel bad for the families that not everyone who is accountable will have to answer to today's decision.
I do need to ask yes, as you keep stating others are to blame, yet you fail to say who.
The 2 year enquiry and jury have gone through all the evidence and come to the conclusion, that everyone already knew.
We know who you still think some of the blame lies on, not sure why cant you say it though?
Because what good will come of pointing fingers?
As I've said I don't think, I know. Have you ever spent time with someone completely impartial to the whole thing and listen to the horrible things and then for him to be completely ignored and branded a liar when he did nothing but help.
I'm not wanting an argument over it not when I just want the right people, all of them, to come to justice for the poor people that day.
Well I will say, Liverpool fans where NOT to blame for any part of the disaster. Unlawfull killing is the verdict, and the right one.
I whole heartedly agree with you regarding the verdict and I would never blame anyone for a fews actions. "
Who are you referring to as "a fews actions" why can't you just say right out what you mean or just leave it and stop making cryptic comments insinuating blame should be laid elsewhere than the enquiry verdict? Come on say it!!! You've been at it for a while now. |
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"its dragged on to long over the years witnesses may have died got to ill etc, anything like this i feel should be done and dusted in 2 to 3 yrs max"
If the Hillsborough inquests had been done and dusted in 2-3 years we wouldn't be seeing the justice that has been handed out today; we would still have a verdict of accidental death and blame attached to the fans.
It took 27 years to have those who are to blame have their culpability made public.
These things HAVE to take as long as they take. |
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"All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen.
Though I hope you're wrong on the last point.
There is clearly something very rotten at the heart of policing in Yorshire"
The decision to smear the fans came from the top and that's why I absolutely hated Thatcher and anything to do with her. The Truth will out as they say. |
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"All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen. "
I don't doubt that the IPCC will be over this like flies on shit.
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"All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen.
Though I hope you're wrong on the last point.
There is clearly something very rotten at the heart of policing in Yorshire"
There clearly *was*
But I don't think anyone can say for sure if there still is |
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"All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen.
Though I hope you're wrong on the last point.
There is clearly something very rotten at the heart of policing in Yorshire
There clearly *was*
But I don't think anyone can say for sure if there still is "
Well, if it takes 27 years for the truth to come out then it clearly is still rotten, especially when you throw Savile into the mix!? |
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The systematic tampering with official records on the evening of the disaster and the names of the senior officers who were present and oversaw the falsification of statements has been in the public domain for years and there has not been a single prosecution.
So why should there be any prosecutions now? |
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"All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen.
Though I hope you're wrong on the last point.
There is clearly something very rotten at the heart of policing in Yorshire
There clearly *was*
But I don't think anyone can say for sure if there still is
Well, if it takes 27 years for the truth to come out then it clearly is still rotten, especially when you throw Savile into the mix!?"
Isn't Saville West Yorkshire? Different police force? |
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"Seriously. ..is this the place for this post??????
Unbelievable! !!!!"
Sorry - you've lost me?
These are open forums - there are plenty of light hearted threads and threads about sex! Occasionally we like to have adult conversation about non-sexual matters! |
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"Listened to this on the radio today, I really thought the verdict had been decided.
It's an unacceptable event and one that mustn't ever be repeated. "
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"Seriously. ..is this the place for this post??????
Unbelievable! !!!!
Sorry - you've lost me?
These are open forums - there are plenty of light hearted threads and threads about sex! Occasionally we like to have adult conversation about non-sexual matters! "
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"All the police involved in altering police notebooks after the event should be prosecuted for conspiring to fraud, perverting the course of justice and corrupting their public offices.
But that will not happen.
Though I hope you're wrong on the last point.
There is clearly something very rotten at the heart of policing in Yorshire
There clearly *was*
But I don't think anyone can say for sure if there still is
Well, if it takes 27 years for the truth to come out then it clearly is still rotten, especially when you throw Savile into the mix!?
Isn't Saville West Yorkshire? Different police force? "
saVile was West Yorks but Rotherham was South Yorks as was Sheffield Forgemasters and the Supergun affair. |
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"its dragged on to long over the years witnesses may have died got to ill etc, anything like this i feel should be done and dusted in 2 to 3 yrs max
If the Hillsborough inquests had been done and dusted in 2-3 years we wouldn't be seeing the justice that has been handed out today; we would still have a verdict of accidental death and blame attached to the fans.
It took 27 years to have those who are to blame have their culpability made public.
These things HAVE to take as long as they take."
The problem with that is most of the people responsible are either dead or retired and so nothing can be done.
Yes they'll go to their grave with a weight on their shoulders but I'd rather have seen them in jail or stripped of their privileges. |
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"its dragged on to long over the years witnesses may have died got to ill etc, anything like this i feel should be done and dusted in 2 to 3 yrs max
If the Hillsborough inquests had been done and dusted in 2-3 years we wouldn't be seeing the justice that has been handed out today; we would still have a verdict of accidental death and blame attached to the fans.
It took 27 years to have those who are to blame have their culpability made public.
These things HAVE to take as long as they take.
The problem with that is most of the people responsible are either dead or retired and so nothing can be done.
Yes they'll go to their grave with a weight on their shoulders but I'd rather have seen them in jail or stripped of their privileges. "
I couldn't agree more but even if those culpable are dead (Dukinfield is still with us...Unfortunately) the families and friends deserved answers at the very least.
27 years is far too long to have to wait but I'd prefer that than never knowing and having the name of my deceased loved one lefy dirty. |
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?"
My thoughts too. And this set off a chain of devastating events. |
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
My thoughts too. And this set off a chain of devastating events. "
Where the fuck were they supposed to go when the police were in charge of crowd control?????
Did you not watch the news tonight?????
UNLAWFULLY KILLED
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
My thoughts too. And this set off a chain of devastating events. "
It's is human nature for crowds to surge; it happens at football grounds, music concerts, festivals etc week in week out. What set off the unfortunate (rather understated word, I'd have used 'catastrophic') chain of events was an incompetent match commander not knowing the layout of the ground and opening a gate that forced crowds into a tunnel that lead to massive over crowding and crushing at the Loppings Lane stand...that's what caused the chain of events that lead to this disaster, not human nature.
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
My thoughts too. And this set off a chain of devastating events.
Where the fuck were they supposed to go when the police were in charge of crowd control?????
Did you not watch the news tonight?????
UNLAWFULLY KILLED
The fans were NOT to blame!!!!! "
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"Glad to see justice done at last.
I remember seeing the coverage on TV, we were still living in Salford at the time.
From one red to another - YNWA. "
respect m8, as the Spurs fan also said this was a disaster waiting to happen and could have been any set of fans on that day..
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
My thoughts too. And this set off a chain of devastating events. "
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
My thoughts too. And this set off a chain of devastating events. "
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"Question 7 was the fans behaviour a contribution to the dangerous situation? Jury answered no, bless them, the families needed this
I'm no expert on this disaster but if the fans had not surged and pushed like mad to get in then wouldn't this have not happened ?
My thoughts too. And this set off a chain of devastating events.
Where the fuck were they supposed to go when the police were in charge of crowd control?????
Did you not watch the news tonight?????
UNLAWFULLY KILLED
The fans were NOT to blame!!!!! "
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Last thing I thought I'd be doing is posting about Hillsborough on this site but.........
A very emotional day for every one connected, especially for the families who lost loved ones on that horrific day back in 89'. This is a tragedy that could of happened to any club under those circumstances . Finally after 27 years of lies & smear, deceit and cover ups the full truth of what happened that day and the subsequent years to follow has come out. This is a day for the families and friends of the 96 , for Liverpool supporters and the city, but it is also a day for all football fans, wether you support Leicester or Lincoln, Man Utd to Macclesfield, we are all the same. Fathers, sons, mothers, daughters, grandparents to grandkids. This could have happened to any of us!!
This has taken 2 years of detailed investigation, nothing has been left out.
Well done to all involved in bringing this about, and especially the families and supporters who never gave up.
As a proud Liverpool supporter for over 40 years. YNWA. To all football supporters. |
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"Last thing I thought I'd be doing is posting about Hillsborough on this site but.........
A very emotional day for every one connected, especially for the families who lost loved ones on that horrific day back in 89'. This is a tragedy that could of happened to any club under those circumstances . Finally after 27 years of lies & smear, deceit and cover ups the full truth of what happened that day and the subsequent years to follow has come out. This is a day for the families and friends of the 96 , for Liverpool supporters and the city, but it is also a day for all football fans, wether you support Leicester or Lincoln, Man Utd to Macclesfield, we are all the same. Fathers, sons, mothers, daughters, grandparents to grandkids. This could have happened to any of us!!
This has taken 2 years of detailed investigation, nothing has been left out.
Well done to all involved in bringing this about, and especially the families and supporters who never gave up.
As a proud Liverpool supporter for over 40 years. YNWA. To all football supporters. "
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"Last thing I thought I'd be doing is posting about Hillsborough on this site but.........
A very emotional day for every one connected, especially for the families who lost loved ones on that horrific day back in 89'. This is a tragedy that could of happened to any club under those circumstances . Finally after 27 years of lies & smear, deceit and cover ups the full truth of what happened that day and the subsequent years to follow has come out. This is a day for the families and friends of the 96 , for Liverpool supporters and the city, but it is also a day for all football fans, wether you support Leicester or Lincoln, Man Utd to Macclesfield, we are all the same. Fathers, sons, mothers, daughters, grandparents to grandkids. This could have happened to any of us!!
This has taken 2 years of detailed investigation, nothing has been left out.
Well done to all involved in bringing this about, and especially the families and supporters who never gave up.
As a proud Liverpool supporter for over 40 years. YNWA. To all football supporters.
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"Last thing I thought I'd be doing is posting about Hillsborough on this site but.........
A very emotional day for every one connected, especially for the families who lost loved ones on that horrific day back in 89'. This is a tragedy that could of happened to any club under those circumstances . Finally after 27 years of lies & smear, deceit and cover ups the full truth of what happened that day and the subsequent years to follow has come out. This is a day for the families and friends of the 96 , for Liverpool supporters and the city, but it is also a day for all football fans, wether you support Leicester or Lincoln, Man Utd to Macclesfield, we are all the same. Fathers, sons, mothers, daughters, grandparents to grandkids. This could have happened to any of us!!
This has taken 2 years of detailed investigation, nothing has been left out.
Well done to all involved in bringing this about, and especially the families and supporters who never gave up.
As a proud Liverpool supporter for over 40 years. YNWA. To all football supporters.
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