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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
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it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
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There have always been a small number of cases, I know, it just seems there are more this year than any other I can remember.
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
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I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything. |
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"Greed
Selfishness
A lack of respect for others
Life gets cheaper by the year
The failing is surely with the adults who have failed them though?
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Not that we'd ever admit it |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything. "
The young people were arrested but there won't be anything else now as that could affect the case.
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Many children of today know not of discipline or bounds ,as government took that rite away from parents,but we do know that our kids no both respect and discipline |
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything. "
The two girls have been charged with intent to commit a sexual offence. And shoplifting items including a dummy and baby milk.  |
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything. "
paedophile's have always been around. We called them the bogey man. The bad man. For some reason we have adopted the American term paedophile. Again it's more publicised than when we was kids and rightly so. |
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
There have always been a small number of cases, I know, it just seems there are more this year than any other I can remember.
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I agree but it's getting worse, it's just far more publicsied than before - horrifically sad but it seems we have a new kid killer culture in our world coming up |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything.
The young people were arrested but there won't be anything else now as that could affect the case.
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That's true, but I was surprised at the 17 yo being named today after been arrested at aged 15 and convicted today for committing 2 murders in 2014 - sentencing with be next Friday it seems |
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I don't think it's enough cases to identify a firm trend, but that doesn't stop them all being incredibly shocking. The case with the two girls in Hartlepool who murdered the woman was so disturbing. One of the saddest things I read was that the family of the younger girl turned up to court every day of the case, but no one from the family of the older one was ever there. She'd been to see her mother on the day of the murder and been told to go away and kill herself. Some people should be sterilised, they are breaking their children. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything.
The young people were arrested but there won't be anything else now as that could affect the case.
That's true, but I was surprised at the 17 yo being named today after been arrested at aged 15 and convicted today for committing 2 murders in 2014 - sentencing with be next Friday it seems "
I believe he has been treated as an adult and therefore not granted anonymity.
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I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age. |
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything.
The young people were arrested but there won't be anything else now as that could affect the case.
That's true, but I was surprised at the 17 yo being named today after been arrested at aged 15 and convicted today for committing 2 murders in 2014 - sentencing with be next Friday it seems "
They've been charged - intent to commit a sexual act. It's been widely reported in the local press here. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I don't think it's enough cases to identify a firm trend, but that doesn't stop them all being incredibly shocking. The case with the two girls in Hartlepool who murdered the woman was so disturbing. One of the saddest things I read was that the family of the younger girl turned up to court every day of the case, but no one from the family of the older one was ever there. She'd been to see her mother on the day of the murder and been told to go away and kill herself. Some people should be sterilised, they are breaking their children. "
I wept listening to some of the reports of that case. I had to pull the car to the side of the road I found it so shockingly sad.
The fact that one of the girls believed you could only kill someone with a gun and the sheer evidence of the lack of love and care they had received makes me wonder if there is still time to rehabilitate and teach them. They will be moved out of the safety of the care system and into adult prisons in just a couple of years.
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My opinion is that children have been so desensitised to violence more so than when I was a child. I do believe the rise in graphically violent video games make killing seem like fun has a massive impact on the rise in child killers and the huge increase in media outlets plays a part too. Parents have to take responsibility too as its them that buy violent games for their children. I argued with a parent of a 7 year old this week as she saw no harm in letting him play GTA which is an 18 rated game and she couldn't understand why I had a problem with it. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything.
The young people were arrested but there won't be anything else now as that could affect the case.
That's true, but I was surprised at the 17 yo being named today after been arrested at aged 15 and convicted today for committing 2 murders in 2014 - sentencing with be next Friday it seems
They've been charged - intent to commit a sexual act. It's been widely reported in the local press here. "
It is bloody shocking! Nothing in UK News, just what the hell they were intending to do is beyond comprehension to me, which I am glad about to be fair, but what causes this behaviour to plan and carry it so far......is beyond me. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age."
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
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I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!! |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!!"
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By *oxy_minxWoman
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
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I've read the post below and can't comment as I have no experience, however, I think most women (on here)could make a comment on how younger guys _iew porn and how they _iew women, just in general and the expectations of what they think or expect women to deliver, I mean there is a thread at least everyday about how can I convince my gf to do ........ |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!!"
I know most parents ignore the age ratings on the games. I have seen children of 10 playing GTA. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've read the post below and can't comment as I have no experience, however, I think most women (on here)could make a comment on how younger guys _iew porn and how they _iew women, just in general and the expectations of what they think or expect women to deliver, I mean there is a thread at least everyday about how can I convince my gf to do ........"
I was doing some work with young women a couple of years ago who told me that it was normal for boys to ask for blow jobs at break time at school. |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!!
I know most parents ignore the age ratings on the games. I have seen children of 10 playing GTA. "
See my earlier post I spent the best part of this week arguing with a parent who doesn't understand why her 7 year old shouldn't be playing GTA then complaining that he's violent and doesn't do as he's told and expects me flick a magic switch and make him better   |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!!
I know most parents ignore the age ratings on the games. I have seen children of 10 playing GTA.
See my earlier post I spent the best part of this week arguing with a parent who doesn't understand why her 7 year old shouldn't be playing GTA then complaining that he's violent and doesn't do as he's told and expects me flick a magic switch and make him better "
My sister often says after meeting the parents it explains certain children's behaviour |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!!
I know most parents ignore the age ratings on the games. I have seen children of 10 playing GTA.
See my earlier post I spent the best part of this week arguing with a parent who doesn't understand why her 7 year old shouldn't be playing GTA then complaining that he's violent and doesn't do as he's told and expects me flick a magic switch and make him better My sister often says after meeting the parents it explains certain children's behaviour "
And she's spot on. Children only learn from the example the adults around them set and sadly many children stand no chance at all. |
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By *aeBabeWoman
over a year ago
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Discipline, respect for others, understanding of consequences and empathy.
That's what a lot of the youth of today lack. A lot of this can be taught at home by their parents, unfortunately a lot of parents who have these problematic kids are barely at home to monitor the actions of their children, such as what they watch, who their friends are, etc. Kids are brought up by social media and at a young age their minds are impressionable.
They don't respect authority or think about the consequences if they commit a crime. Or scarier yet, they commit a crime because they think they can get away with it. |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!!
I know most parents ignore the age ratings on the games. I have seen children of 10 playing GTA.
See my earlier post I spent the best part of this week arguing with a parent who doesn't understand why her 7 year old shouldn't be playing GTA then complaining that he's violent and doesn't do as he's told and expects me flick a magic switch and make him better My sister often says after meeting the parents it explains certain children's behaviour
And she's spot on. Children only learn from the example the adults around them set and sadly many children stand no chance at all."
I've heard so many stories from her. She's says the girls are already bitching about each other lol. One boy she worked with had autism, he was a lot of work so his mum often just let him play games like GTA or he'd watch them on YouTube |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've read the post below and can't comment as I have no experience, however, I think most women (on here)could make a comment on how younger guys _iew porn and how they _iew women, just in general and the expectations of what they think or expect women to deliver, I mean there is a thread at least everyday about how can I convince my gf to do ........
I was doing some work with young women a couple of years ago who told me that it was normal for boys to ask for blow jobs at break time at school. "
Yes and girls who think its ok for them to ask  . I notice on here that people are very much influenced by what they perceive to be the norm for example pubic hair is generally frowned upon, its assumed that most women are bi, people feel they are out of (imaginary) leagues etc. Broaden that influence out and its not difficult to see how things become normalised add to that the images of death we see daily in news items, videos of hostages being beheaded, bodies laying in streets all once removed from us but real nevertheless and you have to wonder why we're surprised |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've read the post below and can't comment as I have no experience, however, I think most women (on here)could make a comment on how younger guys _iew porn and how they _iew women, just in general and the expectations of what they think or expect women to deliver, I mean there is a thread at least everyday about how can I convince my gf to do ........
I was doing some work with young women a couple of years ago who told me that it was normal for boys to ask for blow jobs at break time at school.
Yes and girls who think its ok for them to ask . I notice on here that people are very much influenced by what they perceive to be the norm for example pubic hair is generally frowned upon, its assumed that most women are bi, people feel they are out of (imaginary) leagues etc. Broaden that influence out and its not difficult to see how things become normalised add to that the images of death we see daily in news items, videos of hostages being beheaded, bodies laying in streets all once removed from us but real nevertheless and you have to wonder why we're surprised "
I know. The pressure that has been applied to me to shave still surprises me. I'm strong enough to know they are talking bollocks when I get rejected for being filthy and unhygienic for refusing to shave in order to meet them.
Is it reversible though or are our young people damaged for at least one or two generations before there is a change?
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Reading Lord of the Flies as a teen has always stuck with me. It really makes you see mob mentality. Some of these cases come from feeling like they don't fit in. James Bulger's killers - the one never seemed to be rehabilitated. |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've read the post below and can't comment as I have no experience, however, I think most women (on here)could make a comment on how younger guys _iew porn and how they _iew women, just in general and the expectations of what they think or expect women to deliver, I mean there is a thread at least everyday about how can I convince my gf to do ........
I was doing some work with young women a couple of years ago who told me that it was normal for boys to ask for blow jobs at break time at school.
Yes and girls who think its ok for them to ask . I notice on here that people are very much influenced by what they perceive to be the norm for example pubic hair is generally frowned upon, its assumed that most women are bi, people feel they are out of (imaginary) leagues etc. Broaden that influence out and its not difficult to see how things become normalised add to that the images of death we see daily in news items, videos of hostages being beheaded, bodies laying in streets all once removed from us but real nevertheless and you have to wonder why we're surprised
I know. The pressure that has been applied to me to shave still surprises me. I'm strong enough to know they are talking bollocks when I get rejected for being filthy and unhygienic for refusing to shave in order to meet them.
Is it reversible though or are our young people damaged for at least one or two generations before there is a change?
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Worrying thing is it seems to be steadily getting worse.
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've read the post below and can't comment as I have no experience, however, I think most women (on here)could make a comment on how younger guys _iew porn and how they _iew women, just in general and the expectations of what they think or expect women to deliver, I mean there is a thread at least everyday about how can I convince my gf to do ........
I was doing some work with young women a couple of years ago who told me that it was normal for boys to ask for blow jobs at break time at school.
Yes and girls who think its ok for them to ask . I notice on here that people are very much influenced by what they perceive to be the norm for example pubic hair is generally frowned upon, its assumed that most women are bi, people feel they are out of (imaginary) leagues etc. Broaden that influence out and its not difficult to see how things become normalised add to that the images of death we see daily in news items, videos of hostages being beheaded, bodies laying in streets all once removed from us but real nevertheless and you have to wonder why we're surprised
I know. The pressure that has been applied to me to shave still surprises me. I'm strong enough to know they are talking bollocks when I get rejected for being filthy and unhygienic for refusing to shave in order to meet them.
Is it reversible though or are our young people damaged for at least one or two generations before there is a change?
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Some guys even criticise girls for having hair on their arms |
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've read the post below and can't comment as I have no experience, however, I think most women (on here)could make a comment on how younger guys _iew porn and how they _iew women, just in general and the expectations of what they think or expect women to deliver, I mean there is a thread at least everyday about how can I convince my gf to do ........
I was doing some work with young women a couple of years ago who told me that it was normal for boys to ask for blow jobs at break time at school.
Yes and girls who think its ok for them to ask . I notice on here that people are very much influenced by what they perceive to be the norm for example pubic hair is generally frowned upon, its assumed that most women are bi, people feel they are out of (imaginary) leagues etc. Broaden that influence out and its not difficult to see how things become normalised add to that the images of death we see daily in news items, videos of hostages being beheaded, bodies laying in streets all once removed from us but real nevertheless and you have to wonder why we're surprised
I know. The pressure that has been applied to me to shave still surprises me. I'm strong enough to know they are talking bollocks when I get rejected for being filthy and unhygienic for refusing to shave in order to meet them.
Is it reversible though or are our young people damaged for at least one or two generations before there is a change?
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I think every generation is damaged, imagine the damage inflicted on the young men and women in the 14 -18 war ironically it was deemed a good thing for 18 year olds to kill then. I do think (hope) that the damage doesn't reach everybody.
P.S I don't shave either
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Some guys even criticise girls for having hair on their arms
I had that on a date. Needless to say, I didn't see him again. "
the story I heard was a "vine" star said something about it, obviously not good as he's in a position to influence millions of impressionable teenagers |
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Some guys even criticise girls for having hair on their arms
I had that on a date. Needless to say, I didn't see him again. the story I heard was a "vine" star said something about it, obviously not good as he's in a position to influence millions of impressionable teenagers "
I'm beginning to think that the aspiration for beauty now is almost to be the depiction of an alien: large head, small hairless body and no lines smooth.
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There are some people, for whatever reasons (and i'm not sure if it can be cured or is a fundamental trait in these people that will never change and/or because they don't want to change), who are evil. Simple as that.
They have never grown emotionally, they think the world revolves around them and they can do whatever they want without consequences, and if they're manipulative enough and good enough liars they can disguise themselves as normal from examples of people they see around them. They're in all walks of life too. I don't know if they're born like this or not.
I think as you get older/more mature, and lose your 'naivity'/innocence you do notice all the horrible things going on that you aren't suppose to see or know about and it's sad. |
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"There are some people, for whatever reasons (and i'm not sure if it can be cured or is a fundamental trait in these people that will never change and/or because they don't want to change), who are evil. Simple as that.
They have never grown emotionally, they think the world revolves around them and they can do whatever they want without consequences, and if they're manipulative enough and good enough liars they can disguise themselves as normal from examples of people they see around them. They're in all walks of life too. I don't know if they're born like this or not.
I think as you get older/more mature, and lose your 'naivity'/innocence you do notice all the horrible things going on that you aren't suppose to see or know about and it's sad. "
I don't believe any one is born evil. I'm not sure I even subscribe to a _iew that there are evil people. I do believe that there are evil deeds. What's not clear is what tips someone over into the person who can commit evil deeds?
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I think it's more to do with a lack of empathy and the environment they grow up in rather then exposure to violence on video games.
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"There are some people, for whatever reasons (and i'm not sure if it can be cured or is a fundamental trait in these people that will never change and/or because they don't want to change), who are evil. Simple as that.
They have never grown emotionally, they think the world revolves around them and they can do whatever they want without consequences, and if they're manipulative enough and good enough liars they can disguise themselves as normal from examples of people they see around them. They're in all walks of life too. I don't know if they're born like this or not.
I think as you get older/more mature, and lose your 'naivity'/innocence you do notice all the horrible things going on that you aren't suppose to see or know about and it's sad.
I don't believe any one is born evil. I'm not sure I even subscribe to a _iew that there are evil people. I do believe that there are evil deeds. What's not clear is what tips someone over into the person who can commit evil deeds?
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I used to think the same as you, i couldn't believe anyone was evil because i can't relate to that myself personally and this way of thinking is called projecting - as in you're projecting yourself onto other people - it's pretty normal to do this if you're naturally empathetic.
But some people pretty much don't feel anything for other people and only get pleasure from harming and controlling others, so they are sadistic by nature. Using and killing a child would be a good example of this, being violent to other people is another, just being a gossip can be a lesser example even.
Like i said i'm not sure if they're born this way, as in it's some kind of mental deficiency they are born with, or if they end up wired that way. Babies don't have a personality that you could judge and dependent children don't tend to have one either, they still see themselves as extensions of their carers. Seeing others as extensions of yourself (and therefore they are objects that might be useful to you or not) is part of sociopathy.
The unwillingness to change is what makes me wonder if they're born wired a certain way or if something changes them, psychology thinks it's epigenetic at this time. People can hide who they are too fit in, and be manipulative to make them think they're normal. That's why it's hard to figure out.
It's not that important why they are the way they are but it would make it easier to understand them that's all. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"There are some people, for whatever reasons (and i'm not sure if it can be cured or is a fundamental trait in these people that will never change and/or because they don't want to change), who are evil. Simple as that.
They have never grown emotionally, they think the world revolves around them and they can do whatever they want without consequences, and if they're manipulative enough and good enough liars they can disguise themselves as normal from examples of people they see around them. They're in all walks of life too. I don't know if they're born like this or not.
I think as you get older/more mature, and lose your 'naivity'/innocence you do notice all the horrible things going on that you aren't suppose to see or know about and it's sad.
I don't believe any one is born evil. I'm not sure I even subscribe to a _iew that there are evil people. I do believe that there are evil deeds. What's not clear is what tips someone over into the person who can commit evil deeds?
I used to think the same as you, i couldn't believe anyone was evil because i can't relate to that myself personally and this way of thinking is called projecting - as in you're projecting yourself onto other people - it's pretty normal to do this if you're naturally empathetic.
But some people pretty much don't feel anything for other people and only get pleasure from harming and controlling others, so they are sadistic by nature. Using and killing a child would be a good example of this, being violent to other people is another, just being a gossip can be a lesser example even.
Like i said i'm not sure if they're born this way, as in it's some kind of mental deficiency they are born with, or if they end up wired that way. Babies don't have a personality that you could judge and dependent children don't tend to have one either, they still see themselves as extensions of their carers. Seeing others as extensions of yourself (and therefore they are objects that might be useful to you or not) is part of sociopathy.
The unwillingness to change is what makes me wonder if they're born wired a certain way or if something changes them, psychology thinks it's epigenetic at this time. People can hide who they are too fit in, and be manipulative to make them think they're normal. That's why it's hard to figure out.
It's not that important why they are the way they are but it would make it easier to understand them that's all."
We Need to Talk About Kevin comes to mind.
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I've not seen the film, sounds good though and Tilda Swinton is in it (i like her acting) so i'll probably watch it soon. But a lot of films are written to get _iewers and to make money rather than be accurate or scientific documents. Gonna go watch it now if i can find a copy online. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
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"I've not seen the film, sounds good though and Tilda Swinton is in it (i like her acting) so i'll probably watch it soon. But a lot of films are written to get _iewers and to make money rather than be accurate or scientific documents. Gonna go watch it now if i can find a copy online."
I read the book before I saw the film. Both are powerful. Tilda Swinton is phenomenal.
I like Lionel Shriver's writing and the challenge she presents with every novel.
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"I've not seen the film, sounds good though and Tilda Swinton is in it (i like her acting) so i'll probably watch it soon. But a lot of films are written to get _iewers and to make money rather than be accurate or scientific documents. Gonna go watch it now if i can find a copy online.
I read the book before I saw the film. Both are powerful. Tilda Swinton is phenomenal.
I like Lionel Shriver's writing and the challenge she presents with every novel.
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I must watch it too, don't think I've seen it  |
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"I've not seen the film, sounds good though and Tilda Swinton is in it (i like her acting) so i'll probably watch it soon. But a lot of films are written to get _iewers and to make money rather than be accurate or scientific documents. Gonna go watch it now if i can find a copy online.
I read the book before I saw the film. Both are powerful. Tilda Swinton is phenomenal.
I like Lionel Shriver's writing and the challenge she presents with every novel.
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I haven't got the concentration for books any more so i'm watching it now, John C reilly is in it as well, so i'm well happy. 
found it on ffilms.org, that site had been shut down and i'm glad to see it back up again. everything is awesome tonight lol.
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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The hatred and the declarations made ' I would kill them' by adults via social media with the sole intent to grandstand are made by parents, Christ knows what they teach/role model to their kids. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
There have always been a small number of cases, I know, it just seems there are more this year than any other I can remember.
I agree but it's getting worse, it's just far more publicsied than before - horrifically sad but it seems we have a new kid killer culture in our world coming up "
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
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There is many reasons kids today act like they do. 1 of the main reasons I believe is kids now get away with a lot more then we did as kids because parents are scared to punish them incase they are accused of abuse ( physical and mental abuse)
2nd is that kids are having kids and have no idea how to teach them respect and boundaries because of poor parenting they received them self.
Also there is more children living in families where there is domestic violence and the children learn that it is just normal life to fight, abuse others because that's all they have known.
Also like people have already said kids playing computer games that are not suitable for their age that contain violence.
At end of the day it should be down to us parents to teach our kids right from wrong. If we don't teach them how are the suppose to know x |
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They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions"
I think you're bang on the money there.
Desensitisation combined with a sense that no matter what you do, you are never responsible for your own actions.
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By *aeBabeWoman
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
There is many reasons kids today act like they do. 1 of the main reasons I believe is kids now get away with a lot more then we did as kids because parents are scared to punish them incase they are accused of abuse ( physical and mental abuse)
2nd is that kids are having kids and have no idea how to teach them respect and boundaries because of poor parenting they received them self.
Also there is more children living in families where there is domestic violence and the children learn that it is just normal life to fight, abuse others because that's all they have known.
Also like people have already said kids playing computer games that are not suitable for their age that contain violence.
At end of the day it should be down to us parents to teach our kids right from wrong. If we don't teach them how are the suppose to know x"
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
it's always gone on. The press seem to publish more stories than ever each year
I would agree with this if it was about paedophiles when we were kids, as news wasn't as distributed as it is now, but child killers has definitely been on the incline and I have no idea why? Was there any follow up story about the kidnapping last week in Newcastle (primark) as I haven't seen anything. paedophile's have always been around. We called them the bogey man. The bad man. For some reason we have adopted the American term paedophile. Again it's more publicised than when we was kids and rightly so. "
Really? Its not an american term its the correct term.
Do you really expect news readers and judgea to day "today a man has bren convicted of being the boogie man"
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"This year has seen more children/young people convicted of murder and violence in this country than any year I can remember.
What is causing this spike in children idolising serial killers and emulating them? Torturing and humiliating people to death? Kidnapping children?
It is so sad.
Computer games and pop culture with parents who have them without thinking...
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"I think children are desensitised more now and have a lack of empathy due to the easy access of hardcore material via the net and in computer games from a very early age.
They seem to _iew people as objects rather than as people who have feelings and emotions.
Just my personal thoughts on it. Not saying I'm correct and this is definitely the cause? But I'm sure it's can't be healthy from a young naive impressionable age.
There is a lot of denial and no hard evidence that exposure to games and the net leads to violence. Yet we see arguments that exposure to porn does lead to young people engaging in more hardcore sexual behaviour.
I've been involved in some research by my local. CAMHS team and they have linked rise in violence to exposure to violent games/films. Kids only learn from what they see and if they see violence they see that as the norm!! I would blame the parents then, why would they let their child play those games?"
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There are far too many kids out there who are beaten the shit out of by their parents on a regular basis.
People are quick to blame no discipline these days, but when I was a teacher I saw more damage being done to kids by harsh and erratic punishments. One lad I taught was passed from foster family to foster family and his real mum had held a knife to him.
On the other hand, I was called into the head teachers office once because they wanted to ask if my 4 year old watched violent television at home. (He had a lot of violent/aggressive outbursts in school.)
And no, he'd never watched violent tv. In fact he's so sensitive, Postman Pat would often send him running out the room. He freaked out about Peppa Pig more than once.
School showed him an episode of Sylvester and Tweety and I was fuming because I had to deal with the fallout and they were asking me if I showed him violent tv?
He has a communication disorder and anxiety problems. He doesn't have conduct disorder. The school knew this. But it's always quicker (and a hell of a lot cheaper) blame parents than to try and support the child in the way they need.
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"Many children of today know not of discipline or bounds ,as government took that rite away from parents,but we do know that our kids no both respect and discipline "
I assume you mean smacking children. I never smacked mine but she didn't grow up to be violent and aggressive. Discipline is more than physical chastisement. |
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"Many children of today know not of discipline or bounds ,as government took that rite away from parents,but we do know that our kids no both respect and discipline
I assume you mean smacking children. I never smacked mine but she didn't grow up to be violent and aggressive. Discipline is more than physical chastisement. "
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I don't think it's one thing or another, more a combination of thousands of factors all coming together.
Open access to graphic material, a lack of love, lack of discipline, bad parenting, societal problems, mental deficiency, physiological problems, pollutants from general life is really a very misunderstood factor, there was a study done awhile back that connected a drop in society violence to lead being taken out of petrol!.
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One child could be raised in a shit home playing violent games all day and turn out just fine where as another could be raised in a nice middle class home with just a slight psychological problem and be tipped over into craziness.
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One thing I would say is we definitely don't spend enough money on mental health programmes. But on the other hand there's definitely people born bad I'm not sure I'd use the word evil but just as I'm sure there's definitely people born extra good, there's the opposite side of the spectrum as well |
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However I'd add, the ones born bad could be fine if brought up with enough of the good stuff... Just like the ones born good could be dragged down with enough of the bad stuff!.
I think our balance has gone shit and that's why you see more today |
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"Many children of today know not of discipline or bounds ,as government took that rite away from parents,but we do know that our kids no both respect and discipline
I assume you mean smacking children. I never smacked mine but she didn't grow up to be violent and aggressive. Discipline is more than physical chastisement.
The word discipline means to teach, not to punish. That's what I try and remind myself."
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