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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. " Ummm... | |||
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"This hasn't gone as well as I'd have liked.
I think whoever runs Europe will probably do us less harm than the Tories. "Brexiteers don't read opening posts properly, apparently  | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. " I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing?" The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. " Indeed. The fact that EU funds get spent on things that benefit communities that individual governments wouldn't necessarily invest in is a plus to me. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years "That's a good one. | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. " It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? | |||
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"Having owned a company who imported goods from both inside and outside of the EU and seeing the cost of doing business fall when a country joined the EU due to less work taxes and duties to be paid on goods..... It is my belief that goods from outside of the UK will become more expensive....interest rates will rise as the countries credit report takes a nose dive due to uncertainty oh and that will also mean higher inflation.... All in all the poor people will become poorer as cost of living increase, oh and guess what the rich, large companies and Tory supporters won't give a damn... Do think we need to look at some of the issues we are facing as a country due to following EU rules and law to the nth degree (where other EU countries don't)...... All in all I think we need to stay.... It's too late to save our NHS it too far gone after 7 years of privatising parts of as it stands... So no matter what money we save in leaving we will not be able to rescue free medical we are so use to...it will be privatised by the end of the decade" Thanks for this business-oriented contribution. There is no guarantee that repatriated funds would be spent on the NHS but it makes a nice sound-bite so it has been used. What happens to the reciprocal care arrangements we have within the EU if we leave? I guess people will need to factor those costs into their holidays too. | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce?" It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker." he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing?" I don't understand where they get this information from..... Everything points to goods becoming more expensive, doing business outside of the UK and with the EU harder and more time consuming (thus needing more employees to do the same amount of business as now) interest rates to rise etc etc..... So with all this happening how can we expect to see wage rises? What we can see is smaller businesses folding or just shutting up shop as it becomes to hard / expensive to do business....thus unemployment rising too | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years "That's nothing to do with the EU though. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though."Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt. | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing?" It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing?" Less competative in an international market combined with the posibility of tarrifs being added to trade that foe the life of many businesses has been free. This could result in things that used to be viable becoming unviable | |||
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"If we stay we can have one super state called Euroland,build a huge army and invade America " If we call it Euroland won't the Americans think it's a theme park? Oh wait, they already do.  Let's invade.
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. " Why is cheap labour a good thing for the workforce? | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. Why is cheap labour a good thing for the workforce?" You mean workers or the employers? Anyway, the opposite of the reasons | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. Why is cheap labour a good thing for the workforce?" Cheap products and high employment | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. Why is cheap labour a good thing for the workforce?" It isn't but it's not great for most employers, which in turn means the number of jobs drops which becomes a bad thing for the workforce as there are fewer jobs. | |||
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"If we stay we can have one super state called Euroland,build a huge army and invade America If we call it Euroland won't the Americans think it's a theme park? Oh wait, they already do. Let's invade.
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. Why is cheap labour a good thing for the workforce? Cheap products and high employment " Low wages and higher benefits bill in working tax credits,rent relief or whatever they call it now and council tax rebate | |||
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"If we stay we can have one super state called Euroland,build a huge army and invade America If we call it Euroland won't the Americans think it's a theme park? Oh wait, they already do. Let's invade.
I'm sure Putin would like that "He can be on our side. The Chinese won't like it but fuck em,they will suffer it for a slice of the green and pleasant land . | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. Why is cheap labour a good thing for the workforce? Cheap products and high employment Low wages and higher benefits bill in working tax credits,rent relief or whatever they call it now and council tax rebate " Yep which given most of that is paid for by the top 25% of earners i supose csn be said is good for the workforce | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years "Bosnia? | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years "Ermmm yeah....no. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
Bosnia?"Kosovo and Georgia too. | |||
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"As regulations change, investment in Britain will be less attractive over time and trade will suffer" Or as the EU tightens its financial regulations nd the uk does not it becomes more attractive | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
Bosnia?
Kosovo and Georgia too. "I was going to say that point was slightly flawed. | |||
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"As regulations change, investment in Britain will be less attractive over time and trade will suffer Or as the EU tightens its financial regulations nd the uk does not it becomes more attractive " possibly, but that makes it very difficult to predict....the uncertainty causing negative effects | |||
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" If leave wins you get to potentially lose the known quantity of a failure that is the current prime minister. It could get decidedly worse. "Cameron is standing down regardless of thw result next election | |||
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"Recently discovered the 'Full Fact' website - lots of interesting stuff on there" Is that the independent one or the one that is pro leaving? | |||
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"Recently discovered the 'Full Fact' website - lots of interesting stuff on there Is that the independent one or the one that is pro leaving? " Full Fact is the UK’s independent, non-partisan, factchecking charity. Full Fat is tasty butter. | |||
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"Not having to queue for as long at airports. " And potentially being in the nicer, fast moving queue. The Blue EU customs channel back here is also a great thing. If we don't stay we'll have to reform our passports - and the UK taxpayer will have to pay for that, alongside everything else that will have to be changed or negotiated. | |||
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"i actually do find the immigration question interesting... because it is always phrased as "hundreds of millions coming here for our jobs"..... it is also missing a point...... we have access to hundreds of millions of jobs in europe if people were ambitious.... there are approx 2 million uk citizens with jobs working in mainland europe.... and hundreds of thousands that have retired to southern europe.... " IPPR has a not-taking-either-side report on this: Freedom of Movement and the EU Referendum. The Migration Observatory also has a report looking at why people want to come here: Pulling Power: why are EU Citizens migrating to the UK? | |||
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"Recently discovered the 'Full Fact' website - lots of interesting stuff on there Is that the independent one or the one that is pro leaving? Full Fact is the UK’s independent, non-partisan, factchecking charity. Full Fat is tasty butter." Thanks. I'm also full fat. | |||
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"This hasn't gone as well as I'd have liked.
I think whoever runs Europe will probably do us less harm than the Tories. "This how I feel. I just don't trust the UK government. | |||
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"This hasn't gone as well as I'd have liked.
I think whoever runs Europe will probably do us less harm than the Tories.
This how I feel. I just don't trust the UK government."Most wise | |||
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"It's such a pointless waste of time and money. The polls all state there is a thin majority of people in favour of remaining, about 1/3rd who want out and then 15-20% floaters. The Remain/Fear campaign will scare the bejeesus out of the undecided and the UK will stay in the EU. All the while important government business is being shelved because of this circus. " There is that but as we're all at the circus now we need to engage. Low turnout will be the true deciding factor. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. " The funds you mention being invested back in this country are just less than half of what we in UK pay into the EU coffers which means more than half is going to where exactly?,incidentally the EU have never ever had the books passed off at the end of the year yet!,which makes me think thete is wide spread corruption in the EU. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. The funds you mention being invested back in this country are just less than half of what we in UK pay into the EU coffers which means more than half is going to where exactly?,incidentally the EU have never ever had the books passed off at the end of the year yet!,which makes me think thete is wide spread corruption in the EU. "Thats not right its much mkre than half we get back And the books not being lassed off is a myth they are each time. Actually the uks books have bigger errors in them | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. The funds you mention being invested back in this country are just less than half of what we in UK pay into the EU coffers which means more than half is going to where exactly?,incidentally the EU have never ever had the books passed off at the end of the year yet!,which makes me think thete is wide spread corruption in the EU. "Do you understand the concept of a shared pot? If we got back exactly what we paid in there would be NO POINT! We pay in more as we have more. It helps bring other countries up to a similar standard. As to corruption then maybe there is. What I do know is that spot audits of ESF/ERDF funds here have resulted in money being taken back from individual projects when they have been misused. If this is done across the EU then projects are being monitored. | |||
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"For the sake of balance, this is a thread starting with the premise that it's a good idea to remain in the EU. I firmly believe this will be a close vote and the deciding factor for most of us will be our gut feelings. So here is one of my reasons: Our young people can apply to universities in EU countries and benefit from those subsidies. Post your reasons here, however daft. Leave the Brexit arguments to the 101 threads extolling the virtues of leaving. " The UK is part of the European Higher Education Authority, which promotes freedom to study across Europe. There are 47 countries in Europe signed up to this, which has nothing to do with the EU. Whether we are in or out of the EU, British students will still be able to study abroad. | |||
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"For the sake of balance, this is a thread starting with the premise that it's a good idea to remain in the EU. I firmly believe this will be a close vote and the deciding factor for most of us will be our gut feelings. So here is one of my reasons: Our young people can apply to universities in EU countries and benefit from those subsidies. Post your reasons here, however daft. Leave the Brexit arguments to the 101 threads extolling the virtues of leaving. The UK is part of the European Higher Education Authority, which promotes freedom to study across Europe. There are 47 countries in Europe signed up to this, which has nothing to do with the EU. Whether we are in or out of the EU, British students will still be able to study abroad." We can study anywhere we can get a visa and have the funds. The local subsidy is only available to EU members. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years "Look up integration of German and Dutch military. Germany are building a huge military force by the back door under the guise of European defence. They have now started talks with the Chec Rep and Poland (of all countries) to integrate their armies into German forces as well. And when was the last time Britain waged war in Europe unprovoked? Europe does not need the UK in the EU to stop European countries fighting each other. And besides, you stop wars through trade, which was what the EU was first formed for. | |||
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"i actually do find the immigration question interesting... because it is always phrased as "hundreds of millions coming here for our jobs"..... it is also missing a point...... we have access to hundreds of millions of jobs in europe if people were ambitious.... there are approx 2 million uk citizens with jobs working in mainland europe.... and hundreds of thousands that have retired to southern europe.... " I'm in Poland at the moment. Talking to a barman earlier, who is planning on coming to England to work. I asked him why... his answer? He earns a basic min wage, which is about £4,200 per year. In England, he will earn a minimum of about 4 times that, plus the tips will be 4 times higher. | |||
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"This hasn't gone as well as I'd have liked.
I think whoever runs Europe will probably do us less harm than the Tories.
This how I feel. I just don't trust the UK government."And yet, it's the government you don't trust that are telling us to stay in.... | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. The funds you mention being invested back in this country are just less than half of what we in UK pay into the EU coffers which means more than half is going to where exactly?,incidentally the EU have never ever had the books passed off at the end of the year yet!,which makes me think thete is wide spread corruption in the EU.
Thats not right its much mkre than half we get back
And the books not being lassed off is a myth they are each time.
Actually the uks books have bigger errors in them"The EU accounts have been passed every year since 2007 by the ECA, the European Court of Auditors. The last accounts, as in every other year since 2007, were passed but with 'significant errors' of 4.4% of the EU expenditure budget if €142 B, or about £5 billion. The ECA was set up by the EU to 'independently audit' it's accounts. | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. " On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then? | |||
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"This hasn't gone as well as I'd have liked.
I think whoever runs Europe will probably do us less harm than the Tories. "As a Labour voter do you really have that much of a lack of faith that Labour will ever win another general election then? | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing?" Correct he isn't the only one, the leader of the Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE campaign) Stuart Rose also said British workers wages could go up in the event we leave the EU when he was grilled by the commons select committee. | |||
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"If we stay we can have one super state called Euroland,build a huge army and invade America " So the EU keeps the peace in Europe according to some remainers on this thread but once there is an EU army world war 3 will start? Yeah great reason to vote remain. | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? It's good for us as workers as more money in or pockets. It's bad for consumers as cost of items will go up to account for it. It's bad for employers as profits may potentially dip. Lack of free movement would make it harder to employ cheap labour. Why is cheap labour a good thing for the workforce?" Good for the EU migrants coming here earning many times more than what they would back in their home countries, bad for the domestic British workers who are being undercut and seeing the effects of wage compression. Good for the big companies and the fat cat executives of those companies making big profits off the back of cheap labour, again bad for the workforce when employers have a race to the bottom with people's wage packets. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
Bosnia?
Kosovo and Georgia too. "You forgot about Ukraine. | |||
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"This hasn't gone as well as I'd have liked.
I think whoever runs Europe will probably do us less harm than the Tories.
This how I feel. I just don't trust the UK government.
And yet, it's the government you don't trust that are telling us to stay in...."They have their reasons. I have mine. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. " Absolutely. It's the same here where I live. Whatever the faults of the EU, a big effort has gone into rejuvenating former industrial areas. This was in marked contrast to the UK government. I wish people in my area would at least acknowledge that, rather than ranting about immigrants. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. Absolutely. It's the same here where I live. Whatever the faults of the EU, a big effort has gone into rejuvenating former industrial areas. This was in marked contrast to the UK government. I wish people in my area would at least acknowledge that, rather than ranting about immigrants. " Location: cardiff..... Try visiting the rest of wales the welsh assembly has basically spent every penny in cardiff/the south. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. The funds you mention being invested back in this country are just less than half of what we in UK pay into the EU coffers which means more than half is going to where exactly?,incidentally the EU have never ever had the books passed off at the end of the year yet!,which makes me think thete is wide spread corruption in the EU. "The accounts not being signed off by the auditors isn't a powerful argument to leave, given that a great many government departments (biggies like the MoD and the DWP) as well as the Whole of Government accounts right here in the UK also have their accounts qualified year after year after year. It's not a good thing, but we really ought to get our own house in order if we plan to condemn other organisations for doing the same. | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then? "No, because the "leave EU threads" as you put them have been framed as in or out questions thus inviting views from either side. Also, we've a public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks that's being spouted  | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years "Bosnia, Chechen, Hungarian revolution 1956, Turkish invasion of Greece 1974, Kosovo....and those are just the ones I know. There are loads more conflicts but, I guess, was war wasn't officially declared, you're right, No wars for 70 years in Europe. ....."What's in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet...." | |||
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"No war between France and Germany for 70 years. Given what came before, that's as powerful a statement as the one everyone is shitting all over with reference to countries that aren't actually in the EU. " That wasn't what was said. The post clearly said 'no European war for 70 years' I've just shown that statement isn't true. Europe isn't the same as the EU. | |||
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"No war between France and Germany for 70 years. Given what came before, that's as powerful a statement as the one everyone is shitting all over with reference to countries that aren't actually in the EU. That wasn't what was said. The post clearly said 'no European war for 70 years' I've just shown that statement isn't true. Europe isn't the same as the EU. " I know what was said and yes it was an incorrect statement. The intent was clear though, in my mind. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. Absolutely. It's the same here where I live. Whatever the faults of the EU, a big effort has gone into rejuvenating former industrial areas. This was in marked contrast to the UK government. I wish people in my area would at least acknowledge that, rather than ranting about immigrants. Location: cardiff..... Try visiting the rest of wales the welsh assembly has basically spent every penny in cardiff/the south." i have lived eveywhere in wales over the last 30 years and what you've said is utter rubbish | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then?
No, because the "leave EU threads" as you put them have been framed as in or out questions thus inviting views from either side.
Also, we've a public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks that's being spouted "That also applies to this thread then, the leavers have public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks being spouted on here by the remain side. | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. Absolutely. It's the same here where I live. Whatever the faults of the EU, a big effort has gone into rejuvenating former industrial areas. This was in marked contrast to the UK government. I wish people in my area would at least acknowledge that, rather than ranting about immigrants. Location: cardiff..... Try visiting the rest of wales the welsh assembly has basically spent every penny in cardiff/the south." Firstly. I'm back in Cardiff for one day. I'm not from there originally and spend most of my time in rural West Wales or the Valleys again now. Secondly, I have some sympathy with the idea that the Welsh Government is Cardiff-centric, but I'm sure you've noticed that we're talking about EU money here. You do realise that parts of Wales away from Cardiff e.g. The Valleys have received Objective One EU funding yeah - the highest level, aimed at areas suffering the worst industrial decline? If I lived in an affluent part of Surrey, I'd probably feel different about EU funding, but its commitment to economically marginalised areas has been vital | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then?
No, because the "leave EU threads" as you put them have been framed as in or out questions thus inviting views from either side.
Also, we've a public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks that's being spouted
That also applies to this thread then, the leavers have public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks being spouted on here by the remain side. "I'm an 'undecided' and I corrected an erroneous statement. Just so facts are facts and not intentions..... | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though.
Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt.
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. " On the Brexit posts, Bremainers extol the merits of staying in the Brexit threads, so the exiters should be able to do the same in the name of fairness.. After all, both sets of threads are the same thing...
I am torn at the moment but an un-accountable PM, not a good thing...
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"No European Wars for 70 years
Bosnia, Chechen, Hungarian revolution 1956, Turkish invasion of Greece 1974, Kosovo....and those are just the ones I know. There are loads more conflicts but, I guess, was war wasn't officially declared, you're right, No wars for 70 years in Europe.
....."What's in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet...." "It was a broad brush statement, that holds water. The terms EU and Europe are generally interchangeable in common parlance. The vast majority of wars could be seen to be trade-related, at least in part. One of the founding tenets of the EU was to diminish wars through closer trade. That is exactly what has happened. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years "Working on that theory, you could say there hasn't been a real war since Ghengis Khan killed 10% of the known world's population, compared with 3% for WW2... | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then? "Given the number of exit threads I just thought one thread for a little bit of difference and balance might be a good idea. | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then? " | |||
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"The IOD have said that if we leave, wages will go up. Nobody can explain to me why that is a bad thing? The IoD's director general isn't really someone who has his politics set in stone, he's populist. It was the reason given to stay in, why is it a bad thing to have a well paid workforce? It's not a bad thing. I just wouldn't believe Simon Walker. he isn't the only one saying that. Why is it a bad thing? Correct he isn't the only one, the leader of the Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE campaign) Stuart Rose also said British workers wages could go up in the event we leave the EU when he was grilled by the commons select committee. " Stuart Rose was honest with the Treasury subcommittee. What he was asked was "if free movement were to end following Brexit, is it not reasonable to suppose that we could see increases in wages for low-skilled workers in the UK, just off the back of the economic impact of free movement on wages?" His answer: "If you are short of labour, the price of labour will go up, so yes, but that is not necessarily a good thing". It was refreshing to see someone being honest and absolutely no-one on the committee made anything of it because it's straightforward statement of the effect of supply and demand for lower skilled workers. | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then?
No, because the "leave EU threads" as you put them have been framed as in or out questions thus inviting views from either side.
Also, we've a public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks that's being spouted
That also applies to this thread then, the leavers have public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks being spouted on here by the remain side. "If you can manage to do that and manage to tell the truth I'm sure many of us would be pleased to hear about it. Or, more likely, surprised. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though.
Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt.
l think NATO would disagree that the EU has been a major player in keeping the peace."Whereas the NATO website says the following: NATO’s Strategic Concept clearly states that an active and effective EU contributes to the overall security of the Euro-Atlantic area. The European Union’s Lisbon Treaty (in force end 2009) provides a framework for strengthening the EU’s capacities to address common security challenges. Non-EU European Allies make a significant contribution to these efforts. For the strategic partnership between NATO and the EU, their fullest involvement in these efforts is essential. NATO and the EU can and should play complementary and mutually reinforcing roles in supporting international peace and security. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job" We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant." Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out | |||
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"I live in an area which has seen massive investment from EU funds. I have no faith whatsoever that a government of any colour would provide an equivalent level of investment in this region in the event of leaving the EU. The funds you mention being invested back in this country are just less than half of what we in UK pay into the EU coffers which means more than half is going to where exactly?,incidentally the EU have never ever had the books passed off at the end of the year yet!,which makes me think thete is wide spread corruption in the EU.
The accounts not being signed off by the auditors isn't a powerful argument to leave, given that a great many government departments (biggies like the MoD and the DWP) as well as the Whole of Government accounts right here in the UK also have their accounts qualified year after year after year. It's not a good thing, but we really ought to get our own house in order if we plan to condemn other organisations for doing the same." | |||
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"No war between France and Germany for 70 years. Given what came before, that's as powerful a statement as the one everyone is shitting all over with reference to countries that aren't actually in the EU. " I think thats more because france has nukes now | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out" You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant." . I think the British police should adopt the Spanish approach of whacking the fuck out of them with a giant rubber truncheon!. . It's a bit anarchic but by gove sorry Jove it works  | |||
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"No war between France and Germany for 70 years. Given what came before, that's as powerful a statement as the one everyone is shitting all over with reference to countries that aren't actually in the EU. I think thats more because france has nukes now" . Germany are throwing nuclear power stations at them... Take that you garlic eating sponge monkey | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then?
No, because the "leave EU threads" as you put them have been framed as in or out questions thus inviting views from either side.
Also, we've a public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks that's being spouted
That also applies to this thread then, the leavers have public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks being spouted on here by the remain side.
If you can manage to do that and manage to tell the truth I'm sure many of us would be pleased to hear about it. Or, more likely, surprised.
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant.. I think the British police should adopt the Spanish approach of whacking the fuck out of them with a giant rubber truncheon!. . It's a bit anarchic but by gove sorry Jove it works "just give the police big dildos then  | |||
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"I am fed up with being told what to do by Brussels and how they think that we should be ruled by Europe. I understand. Hop off to the Brexit thread and express how fed up you are there. On that basis should the remainians stop posting on the leave EU threads then?
No, because the "leave EU threads" as you put them have been framed as in or out questions thus inviting views from either side.
Also, we've a public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks that's being spouted
That also applies to this thread then, the leavers have public duty to correct some of the erroneous bollocks being spouted on here by the remain side.
If you can manage to do that and manage to tell the truth I'm sure many of us would be pleased to hear about it. Or, more likely, surprised.
I've already done that on several posts, try reading the whole thread. "Multiple whinges from you about people posting bollocks doesn't really count. No surprises there. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye." There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though.
Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt.
l think NATO would disagree that the EU has been a major player in keeping the peace.
Whereas the NATO website says the following:
NATO’s Strategic Concept clearly states that an active and effective EU contributes to the overall security of the Euro-Atlantic area. The European Union’s Lisbon Treaty (in force end 2009) provides a framework for strengthening the EU’s capacities to address common security challenges. Non-EU European Allies make a significant contribution to these efforts. For the strategic partnership between NATO and the EU, their fullest involvement in these efforts is essential.
NATO and the EU can and should play complementary and mutually reinforcing roles in supporting international peace and security. "Only the EU wants a European army, which will not mutually reinforce Nato, it will just make matters worse in the world and make the world more unstable. | |||
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"Air passenger rights to compensation in case of delays, cancellations and overbooking that prevents them from boarding . You may not be charged a higher price for a ticket because of your nationality or where you are buying the ticket from." Richard Branson tried that line of reasoning, only Ryanair came out and shot his argument to pieces. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place" And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though.
Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt.
l think NATO would disagree that the EU has been a major player in keeping the peace.
Whereas the NATO website says the following:
NATO’s Strategic Concept clearly states that an active and effective EU contributes to the overall security of the Euro-Atlantic area. The European Union’s Lisbon Treaty (in force end 2009) provides a framework for strengthening the EU’s capacities to address common security challenges. Non-EU European Allies make a significant contribution to these efforts. For the strategic partnership between NATO and the EU, their fullest involvement in these efforts is essential.
NATO and the EU can and should play complementary and mutually reinforcing roles in supporting international peace and security.
Only the EU wants a European army, which will not mutually reinforce Nato, it will just make matters worse in the world and make the world more unstable. "Why would it make the world more unstable? A single army tends not to fight itself unless there is a split. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though.
Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt.
l think NATO would disagree that the EU has been a major player in keeping the peace.
Whereas the NATO website says the following:
NATO’s Strategic Concept clearly states that an active and effective EU contributes to the overall security of the Euro-Atlantic area. The European Union’s Lisbon Treaty (in force end 2009) provides a framework for strengthening the EU’s capacities to address common security challenges. Non-EU European Allies make a significant contribution to these efforts. For the strategic partnership between NATO and the EU, their fullest involvement in these efforts is essential.
NATO and the EU can and should play complementary and mutually reinforcing roles in supporting international peace and security.
Only the EU wants a European army, which will not mutually reinforce Nato, it will just make matters worse in the world and make the world more unstable. "Are you saying you know more about NATO's strategy than NATO? You can read it for yourself instead of making it up. | |||
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"It's the only international treaty that the UK participates in where we get an opportunity to democratically elect people to represent our opinion in how it operates." We elect MEP's who have very little power. It's the unelected commission who hold all the power in the EU. | |||
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"It's the only international treaty that the UK participates in where we get an opportunity to democratically elect people to represent our opinion in how it operates. We elect MEP's who have very little power. It's the unelected commission who hold all the power in the EU. " It's the elected MEPs who have the power to get rid of the commission. | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though.
Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt.
l think NATO would disagree that the EU has been a major player in keeping the peace.
Whereas the NATO website says the following:
NATO’s Strategic Concept clearly states that an active and effective EU contributes to the overall security of the Euro-Atlantic area. The European Union’s Lisbon Treaty (in force end 2009) provides a framework for strengthening the EU’s capacities to address common security challenges. Non-EU European Allies make a significant contribution to these efforts. For the strategic partnership between NATO and the EU, their fullest involvement in these efforts is essential.
NATO and the EU can and should play complementary and mutually reinforcing roles in supporting international peace and security.
Only the EU wants a European army, which will not mutually reinforce Nato, it will just make matters worse in the world and make the world more unstable.
Are you saying you know more about NATO's strategy than NATO? You can read it for yourself instead of making it up."Russia won't take kindly to an EU army on its border. We've already seen the effects of what happened when the EU courted Ukraine then Russia annexed Crimea. So yes an EU army will destabilise the world more. Not only Russia I think China would be hostile towards an EU army too. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim. "Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you? | |||
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"No European Wars for 70 years
That's nothing to do with the EU though.
Can you be certain of that? It hasn't hurt.
l think NATO would disagree that the EU has been a major player in keeping the peace.
Whereas the NATO website says the following:
NATO’s Strategic Concept clearly states that an active and effective EU contributes to the overall security of the Euro-Atlantic area. The European Union’s Lisbon Treaty (in force end 2009) provides a framework for strengthening the EU’s capacities to address common security challenges. Non-EU European Allies make a significant contribution to these efforts. For the strategic partnership between NATO and the EU, their fullest involvement in these efforts is essential.
NATO and the EU can and should play complementary and mutually reinforcing roles in supporting international peace and security.
Only the EU wants a European army, which will not mutually reinforce Nato, it will just make matters worse in the world and make the world more unstable.
Are you saying you know more about NATO's strategy than NATO? You can read it for yourself instead of making it up.
Russia won't take kindly to an EU army on its border. We've already seen the effects of what happened when the EU courted Ukraine then Russia annexed Crimea. So yes an EU army will destabilise the world more. Not only Russia I think China would be hostile towards an EU army too. "You know more than NATO about this was the question? Your opinion is worth more than NATOs? | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?"Let's get this back to your original doom and gloom claim that the EU will collapse because its share of world GDP is falling. The UK share of EU GDP has been almost constant (actually fallen slightly). So if the UK GDP is falling at the same rate as the EU's, are you forecasting a crash and collapse for the UK economy? After all that's the basis for your claim about the EU. Come on, based on historical figures that actually exist, how do you justify your claim? You put it forward, where's the evidence that the EU GDP is doing worse than the UK's? Once you've provided evidence of your historical claims, perhaps you can explain the economic model, if there is one, you are using to predict disasters in the future. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for a sensible answer from you, but fully anticipate the usual ducking and diving because you just made it up. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
Let's get this back to your original doom and gloom claim that the EU will collapse because its share of world GDP is falling. The UK share of EU GDP has been almost constant (actually fallen slightly). So if the UK GDP is falling at the same rate as the EU's, are you forecasting a crash and collapse for the UK economy? After all that's the basis for your claim about the EU.
Come on, based on historical figures that actually exist, how do you justify your claim? You put it forward, where's the evidence that the EU GDP is doing worse than the UK's?
Once you've provided evidence of your historical claims, perhaps you can explain the economic model, if there is one, you are using to predict disasters in the future.
I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for a sensible answer from you, but fully anticipate the usual ducking and diving because you just made it up."Me ducking and diving? Just name one country? | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
Let's get this back to your original doom and gloom claim that the EU will collapse because its share of world GDP is falling. The UK share of EU GDP has been almost constant (actually fallen slightly). So if the UK GDP is falling at the same rate as the EU's, are you forecasting a crash and collapse for the UK economy? After all that's the basis for your claim about the EU.
Come on, based on historical figures that actually exist, how do you justify your claim? You put it forward, where's the evidence that the EU GDP is doing worse than the UK's?
Once you've provided evidence of your historical claims, perhaps you can explain the economic model, if there is one, you are using to predict disasters in the future.
I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for a sensible answer from you, but fully anticipate the usual ducking and diving because you just made it up."Check out statisticstimes.com for one | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
Let's get this back to your original doom and gloom claim that the EU will collapse because its share of world GDP is falling. The UK share of EU GDP has been almost constant (actually fallen slightly). So if the UK GDP is falling at the same rate as the EU's, are you forecasting a crash and collapse for the UK economy? After all that's the basis for your claim about the EU.
Come on, based on historical figures that actually exist, how do you justify your claim? You put it forward, where's the evidence that the EU GDP is doing worse than the UK's?
Once you've provided evidence of your historical claims, perhaps you can explain the economic model, if there is one, you are using to predict disasters in the future.
I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for a sensible answer from you, but fully anticipate the usual ducking and diving because you just made it up.
Me ducking and diving? Just name one country?"I'll help you out with that in a moment. Meanwhile justify your original claim. | |||
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"If we leave, it might mean the end for A Place In The Sun "
Hahaha. very good . .
However THE SUN and the rest of the press owned by the ultra democratic rich 0.1% Will be very happy as it will be even easier for them to manipulate and cajole the government
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?"As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce. So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements. What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
Let's get this back to your original doom and gloom claim that the EU will collapse because its share of world GDP is falling. The UK share of EU GDP has been almost constant (actually fallen slightly). So if the UK GDP is falling at the same rate as the EU's, are you forecasting a crash and collapse for the UK economy? After all that's the basis for your claim about the EU.
Come on, based on historical figures that actually exist, how do you justify your claim? You put it forward, where's the evidence that the EU GDP is doing worse than the UK's?
Once you've provided evidence of your historical claims, perhaps you can explain the economic model, if there is one, you are using to predict disasters in the future.
I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for a sensible answer from you, but fully anticipate the usual ducking and diving because you just made it up.
Check out statisticstimes.com for one"Ranks the UK as 111th in the world for GDP growth. Not very encouraging is it? WHich table are you using? | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor. "Just check out the stats there is no need for maths, it aint hard its there in black and white | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
Let's get this back to your original doom and gloom claim that the EU will collapse because its share of world GDP is falling. The UK share of EU GDP has been almost constant (actually fallen slightly). So if the UK GDP is falling at the same rate as the EU's, are you forecasting a crash and collapse for the UK economy? After all that's the basis for your claim about the EU.
Come on, based on historical figures that actually exist, how do you justify your claim? You put it forward, where's the evidence that the EU GDP is doing worse than the UK's?
Once you've provided evidence of your historical claims, perhaps you can explain the economic model, if there is one, you are using to predict disasters in the future.
I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for a sensible answer from you, but fully anticipate the usual ducking and diving because you just made it up.
Check out statisticstimes.com for one
Ranks the UK as 111th in the world for GDP growth. Not very encouraging is it? WHich table are you using? "No it doesn't 5th | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor.
Just check out the stats there is no need for maths, it aint hard its there in black and white "UK 112th in the world by projected GDP growth - not looking good for a bigger share of world GDP is it? Since you obviously don't know which table contains your amazing facts, I'll have to go back to 'your just making it up aren't you?' | |||
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"voting to leave would be a bit like turkeys voting for christmas...... the uk actually has a good position and has a lot of opt outs on the things it actually likes (immigration, currency, home security) plus you cant effect any change from the outside looking in...... ". Have you seen the number of times the UK has been out voted on changes | |||
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"If we leave, it might mean the end for A Place In The Sun
Hahaha. very good . .
However THE SUN and the rest of the press owned by the ultra democratic rich 0.1% Will be very happy as it will be even easier for them to manipulate and cajole the government
Do you think the UK government on it's own would slap a writ on Google? Hell they can't even collect tax. "Meanwhile head of the EU Jean Claude juncker has a well documented history of helping and facilitating tax avoidance/evasion for large multi national companies in his home country of Luxembourg.....and you'd rather trust him???? | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go. "I apologise - I'm stopping now, I really don't care what they make up. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor. "Is that the same IMF who failed to predict the global economic collapse back in 2008. They also rubbished George Osborne's austerity cuts then later had to make a humiliating public apology to him and the government when they knew they got it wrong. Pretty sure it was the same IMF who told us to join the euro or we'd face an economic future left out in the wilderness. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor.
Just check out the stats there is no need for maths, it aint hard its there in black and white
UK 112th in the world by projected GDP growth - not looking good for a bigger share of world GDP is it?
Since you obviously don't know which table contains your amazing facts, I'll have to go back to 'your just making it up aren't you?'"don't really care but you might wanna read the post you put before when the uk was 111th now your saying 112 witch is it | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor.
Just check out the stats there is no need for maths, it aint hard its there in black and white
UK 112th in the world by projected GDP growth - not looking good for a bigger share of world GDP is it?
Since you obviously don't know which table contains your amazing facts, I'll have to go back to 'your just making it up aren't you?'"Yes I just created that website myself Maybe its the device your reading it on. Where did that come from? | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go. "It will come down to who turns out to vote on the day, I've said before the Leave voters are more passionate, motivated and determined. Personally I'd crawl through broken glass to get to the polling booth on June 23rd to place my Leave vote. Can't say the same for the remain side. | |||
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"If we leave, it might mean the end for A Place In The Sun
Hahaha. very good . .
However THE SUN and the rest of the press owned by the ultra democratic rich 0.1% Will be very happy as it will be even easier for them to manipulate and cajole the government
Do you think the UK government on it's own would slap a writ on Google? Hell they can't even collect tax.
Meanwhile head of the EU Jean Claude juncker has a well documented history of helping and facilitating tax avoidance/evasion for large multi national companies in his home country of Luxembourg.....and you'd rather trust him????"That's all very nice - but what the fuck does any of it have to do with a C4 series featuring people buying holiday homes abroad? | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go.
It will come down to who turns out to vote on the day, I've said before the Leave voters are more passionate, motivated and determined. Personally I'd crawl through broken glass to get to the polling booth on June 23rd to place my Leave vote. Can't say the same for the remain side. "You can't? There is little that would stop me getting to that polling booth. I'm not even particularly pro-EU, I'm just desperate to cast my vote against the tide of moronic populist utopian invention that represents the sum total of the leave campaign. | |||
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"If we leave, it might mean the end for A Place In The Sun
Hahaha. very good . .
However THE SUN and the rest of the press owned by the ultra democratic rich 0.1% Will be very happy as it will be even easier for them to manipulate and cajole the government
Do you think the UK government on it's own would slap a writ on Google? Hell they can't even collect tax.
Meanwhile head of the EU Jean Claude juncker has a well documented history of helping and facilitating tax avoidance/evasion for large multi national companies in his home country of Luxembourg.....and you'd rather trust him????
That's all very nice - but what the fuck does any of it have to do with a C4 series featuring people buying holiday homes abroad?"lol that was a gd one people taking it way to far | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor.
Is that the same IMF who failed to predict the global economic collapse back in 2008. They also rubbished George Osborne's austerity cuts then later had to make a humiliating public apology to him and the government when they knew they got it wrong. Pretty sure it was the same IMF who told us to join the euro or we'd face an economic future left out in the wilderness. "Yeah, by sticking to austerity the UK achieved a lower growth than the US. Also the UK was never going to join the Euro as currently setup, the Bank of England squashed it very firmly in the nineties | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor.
Just check out the stats there is no need for maths, it aint hard its there in black and white
UK 112th in the world by projected GDP growth - not looking good for a bigger share of world GDP is it?
Since you obviously don't know which table contains your amazing facts, I'll have to go back to 'your just making it up aren't you?'
Yes I just created that website myself
Maybe its the device your reading it on.
Where did that come from?"You might as well have. There's no table there that supports what you said or you'd have been boasting about it. Carry on with Fantasy world, Godfrey. | |||
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"You can take the piss out of youngsters on the continent cuz they haven't got a job We could all see how desperate you were to be allowed in. Welcome aboard, but no pissing on our beaches, that would be ignorant. Don't like hard truths do you? So for that reason, I'm out You didn't do so well earlier on when it came to GDP. Perhaps a fringe benefit will be an improvement in arithmetic. Bye. There is no need for arithmetic, the figures are already there if you'd looked in the right place And of course you are going to share that place or those figures? Where did you get them from? I gave you the world bank figures, you can find them in one minute on Google and they completely disproved your unsupported claim.
Give me the name of one country in the EU then whose world share of GDP is forecast to grow in the next 4 years, apart from the UK's which is, if that is easier for you?
As the previous question was too difficult for you, try this. The IMF world GDP forecast is for growth of 3.4% over the next 3 years. The forecast for UK growth is 2.2%. Now if the little number (UK GDP) grows at a lower rate than the bigger number (world GDP) then the share of the little number out of the bigger number will reduce.
So you'd better go check your numbers, if you have any. All you've done so far is make unsupported statements.
What you don't seem to understand, apart from the arithmetic, is that the whole debate you are trying to make up is meaningless because the big number (world GDP) is driven by lots of countries with little numbers increasing rapidly. Countries that are poorer have more room to get less poor.
Is that the same IMF who failed to predict the global economic collapse back in 2008. They also rubbished George Osborne's austerity cuts then later had to make a humiliating public apology to him and the government when they knew they got it wrong. Pretty sure it was the same IMF who told us to join the euro or we'd face an economic future left out in the wilderness. "It'd be the same IMF as your Brexit pal is using for his/her figures so it must have the seal of approval from one of your factions or the other. Which organisation do you use for your facts? | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go.
It will come down to who turns out to vote on the day, I've said before the Leave voters are more passionate, motivated and determined. Personally I'd crawl through broken glass to get to the polling booth on June 23rd to place my Leave vote. Can't say the same for the remain side.
You can't? There is little that would stop me getting to that polling booth. I'm not even particularly pro-EU, I'm just desperate to cast my vote against the tide of moronic populist utopian invention that represents the sum total of the leave campaign. "Have I told you that I   you, RubyWoo? | |||
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"If we leave, it might mean the end for A Place In The Sun
Hahaha. very good . .
However THE SUN and the rest of the press owned by the ultra democratic rich 0.1% Will be very happy as it will be even easier for them to manipulate and cajole the government
Do you think the UK government on it's own would slap a writ on Google? Hell they can't even collect tax.
Meanwhile head of the EU Jean Claude juncker has a well documented history of helping and facilitating tax avoidance/evasion for large multi national companies in his home country of Luxembourg.....and you'd rather trust him????
That's all very nice - but what the fuck does any of it have to do with a C4 series featuring people buying holiday homes abroad?"Fuck all,just riffing off the "sun" then the right wing hit squad descended, time for a nightcap | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go.
It will come down to who turns out to vote on the day, I've said before the Leave voters are more passionate, motivated and determined. Personally I'd crawl through broken glass to get to the polling booth on June 23rd to place my Leave vote. Can't say the same for the remain side.
You can't? There is little that would stop me getting to that polling booth. I'm not even particularly pro-EU, I'm just desperate to cast my vote against the tide of moronic populist utopian invention that represents the sum total of the leave campaign.
Have I told you that I you, RubyWoo? "Oh it's pissed me off so far this campaign. It's turned me into the EU supporter I never was because it's all just so much rubbish and conjecture. | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go.
It will come down to who turns out to vote on the day, I've said before the Leave voters are more passionate, motivated and determined. Personally I'd crawl through broken glass to get to the polling booth on June 23rd to place my Leave vote. Can't say the same for the remain side.
You can't? There is little that would stop me getting to that polling booth. I'm not even particularly pro-EU, I'm just desperate to cast my vote against the tide of moronic populist utopian invention that represents the sum total of the leave campaign. "
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"If we leave, it might mean the end for A Place In The Sun
Hahaha. very good . .
However THE SUN and the rest of the press owned by the ultra democratic rich 0.1% Will be very happy as it will be even easier for them to manipulate and cajole the government
Do you think the UK government on it's own would slap a writ on Google? Hell they can't even collect tax.
Meanwhile head of the EU Jean Claude juncker has a well documented history of helping and facilitating tax avoidance/evasion for large multi national companies in his home country of Luxembourg.....and you'd rather trust him????
That's all very nice - but what the fuck does any of it have to do with a C4 series featuring people buying holiday homes abroad?"I was responding to a post somebody made about multinational companies paying their tax. | |||
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"I entirely agree. There aren't many people who are enthusiastic about the EU, but they'll crawl over broken glass to vote in this referendum to halt this irrational jingoistic sleepwalk into a world that no longer exists." I'm getting on a bit for crawling over broken glass, but I'll enthusiastically amble over hot coals to the polling station for this one. | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go.
It will come down to who turns out to vote on the day, I've said before the Leave voters are more passionate, motivated and determined. Personally I'd crawl through broken glass to get to the polling booth on June 23rd to place my Leave vote. Can't say the same for the remain side.
You can't? There is little that would stop me getting to that polling booth. I'm not even particularly pro-EU, I'm just desperate to cast my vote against the tide of moronic populist utopian invention that represents the sum total of the leave campaign. "A large proportion of the remain side seems to be very half hearted. Just look at the lack of enthusiasm displayed in Jeremy Corbyn's speech. This does seem typical of a lot of remainers, and their case seems to be..."we know the EU is shit but we better stay in because if we leave the EU will gang up on us and beat us up and 'bad things' might happen. | |||
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"Oh dear. I thought just one thread might be able to be about remaining in and exploring that. The die-hard Brexiters are determined though. It further confirms my view that this isn't about whatever facts there might be but the result will be about who turns out on the day and their long fixed views and the gut feeling on the day of the undecided. The "you're wrong, I'm right" style of arguing the toss here alienates those that might want to learn something and hear from both sides. The very few willing to argue anything for remaining give up as the same stuff ends up being trotted out by the same people. I too now give up and leave you to the squabble. I hope things have moved on by the time we get to the Wembley debate. Only 9 weeks to go.
It will come down to who turns out to vote on the day, I've said before the Leave voters are more passionate, motivated and determined. Personally I'd crawl through broken glass to get to the polling booth on June 23rd to place my Leave vote. Can't say the same for the remain side.
You can't? There is little that would stop me getting to that polling booth. I'm not even particularly pro-EU, I'm just desperate to cast my vote against the tide of moronic populist utopian invention that represents the sum total of the leave campaign.
Have I told you that I you, RubyWoo?
Oh it's pissed me off so far this campaign. It's turned me into the EU supporter I never was because it's all just so much rubbish and conjecture. "George Osborne thinking he can predict what the world will look like in 2030 is rubbish and conjecture. | |||
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