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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This is one of the things on the road that really bothers me! Even worse than people who don't indicate on roundabouts!
Does this annoy anyone else? Or am I just being a grumpy tw@ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I drive in the middle lane but last night i ventured into the inside lane and it was like being in the twighlight zone so i moved back in the middle where upon a big smile came over my face |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Nothing wrong with middle lane drivers of they are doing the correct speed !"
no need to be in one of the "overtaking" lanes unless you are overtaking....
signed... "hippy who tootles along at 70mph on the motorway in lane 1"...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say  "
Because it's an over taking lane I would imagine that's why   |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I have this argument all the time... I merge into the left lane where possible (open stretch) but then I drive at like 90mph  so that's very rare!! "
so you would be the person zooming past the hippy driving the prius at 70.... i almost utter swear words at you..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is one of the things on the road that really bothers me! Even worse than people who don't indicate on roundabouts!
Does this annoy anyone else? Or am I just being a grumpy tw@"
Yes a little. And those people that indicate too soon on a roundabout so you have no clue which junction they are coming off. Or the lane crossers on roundabouts. They could cause a serious accident.
I try not to let it bother me, it's not as bad as it used to. It used to really rip my knitting. |
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This is as apposed to the drivers that feel it's their God given right to fly across all the lanes as they join. Then stick to the outside lane flashing their lights to get all before them to move aside......
Of course if the flashing lights are blue it's a different story  |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say "
I suspect you're just on a wind-up, but it's actually dangerous. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say
I suspect you're just on a wind-up, but it's actually dangerous."
Of course i was winding up or call it banter
,im actually a carefull tootle along kind of driver,now what really pisses me off is tailgating it makes my blood boil |
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People in a car but think they drive a bus, because they feel they have to first swing in the opposite direction than the one they're turning into.
People at dual lane roundabouts who can't fucking stick to their own lane so they have to take half the other one too.
Anyone who drives a merc, beemer or audi: fuckers should be shot on sight, end of
All cyclists should be instantly slaughtered, but maliciously torture those cyclists who cry such shit as " but I'm saving the planet from cars ". Wankers everyone of them.
All bus drivers should dragged from their buses, have their balls cut off and made to eat them. Scum I tell ya, they're lowlife scum!
I can think of many more but I'm not sure I can take the stress of thinking about them anymore  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People in a car but think they drive a bus, because they feel they have to first swing in the opposite direction than the one they're turning into.
People at dual lane roundabouts who can't fucking stick to their own lane so they have to take half the other one too.
Anyone who drives a merc, beemer or audi: fuckers should be shot on sight, end of
All cyclists should be instantly slaughtered, but maliciously torture those cyclists who cry such shit as " but I'm saving the planet from cars ". Wankers everyone of them.
All bus drivers should dragged from their buses, have their balls cut off and made to eat them. Scum I tell ya, they're lowlife scum!
I can think of many more but I'm not sure I can take the stress of thinking about them anymore "
Hope you feel better after that |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Cyclists that change from being road users to pedestrian and back again. And the ones that go through red lights. The signals are there for all road users. Cyclists included. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"People in a car but think they drive a bus, because they feel they have to first swing in the opposite direction than the one they're turning into.
People at dual lane roundabouts who can't fucking stick to their own lane so they have to take half the other one too.
Anyone who drives a merc, beemer or audi: fuckers should be shot on sight, end of
All cyclists should be instantly slaughtered, but maliciously torture those cyclists who cry such shit as " but I'm saving the planet from cars ". Wankers everyone of them.
All bus drivers should dragged from their buses, have their balls cut off and made to eat them. Scum I tell ya, they're lowlife scum!
I can think of many more but I'm not sure I can take the stress of thinking about them anymore "
I can relate to all of them! Especially the cyclists! God I wish it was legal to mow them down! |
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"Nothing wrong with middle lane drivers of they are doing the correct speed !"
That's the problem, they don't. I'm limited to 60 mph and the bastards hold me up. End up under taking to get past them. |
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Anyone who persistently does not keep to the lane that's most to the left, except when overtaking, does deserve to lose their licence fairly swiftly.
I just don't understand how the drivers that I've followed in the midlands this week, who just sat in the outside lane, whilst overtaking nobody for several miles, could even countenance that they were actually in charge of driving a motor vehicle safely and according to the rules of the road. In the past day this has included 1 x BMW, 2 x Merc and 2 X Audis, who all confiscated the outer lanes for approximately 30 miles. One driver even decided to hold up an ambulance with flashing lights, that the rest of us had seen approaching from a couple of miles back. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Anyone who persistently does not keep to the lane that's most to the left, except when overtaking, does deserve to lose their licence fairly swiftly.
I just don't understand how the drivers that I've followed in the midlands this week, who just sat in the outside lane, whilst overtaking nobody for several miles, could even countenance that they were actually in charge of driving a motor vehicle safely and according to the rules of the road. In the past day this has included 1 x BMW, 2 x Merc and 2 X Audis, who all confiscated the outer lanes for approximately 30 miles. One driver even decided to hold up an ambulance with flashing lights, that the rest of us had seen approaching from a couple of miles back. "
M6 is brilliant for it! There have been times where I've genuinely just wanted to crash into them! Driving is 80% common sense and I just think a lot of drivers lack even the slightest bit of it |
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The main reason behind it is lazy driving.
People move out to pass something then as long as they can see another vehicle on the inside lane, they stay out, even its gonna take them 5 miles and 4 minutes to get the next inside lane vehicle they just can't be bothered to change lane. They're brain dead at the wheel.
So you end up with cars congestion get the outside 2 lanes while the inside lane is empty bar an LGV every half a mile. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Seen this all day today around the m25, so inconsiderate and it's usually the people in their posh land rovers and Mercedes etc. (Not saying they all do)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Bugs me too. Inconsiderate drivers in general bug me. I'm frequently up and down to England and there's almost always someone pissing about at 65mph in the wrong lane holding everyone up. Probably not a big deal for them to be delayed but for someone on a seven hour trip it gets tedious.
I also get aggregated with people on normal roads doing 50 for no apparent reason. They're causing frustration and unnecessary danger by making people overtake. If they don't feel comfortable doing 60 on the road then I think it's time to hand back the license. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say "
Either is ok. If you can't see a vehicle in lane 1. Drive in it. If you're travelling at speed and a vehicle is in lane 1 stay in lane 2. Too many people weave in and out for no reason and thus causes issues with other road users. Using lane 2 in busy traffic even if lane 1 is available gives two tactical options. Where as traveling at speed to then having to traverse to lane 3 or 4 to then go back into lane 1 is just plain idiotic. |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
West Wales and Cardiff |
"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say
Either is ok. If you can't see a vehicle in lane 1. Drive in it. If you're travelling at speed and a vehicle is in lane 1 stay in lane 2. Too many people weave in and out for no reason and thus causes issues with other road users. Using lane 2 in busy traffic even if lane 1 is available gives two tactical options. Where as traveling at speed to then having to traverse to lane 3 or 4 to then go back into lane 1 is just plain idiotic. "
It's fine to be in the middle lane so long as you are overtaking someone in the inside lane, or you will overtake them shortly and going back in the inside lane would be daft for such a short period.
It's an issue when people stick in the middle lane when they're not overtaking. That's why they can get fined. People seem oblivious to why it's a problem, but every time I drive the M4 in quiet road conditions I'm in the inside lane, come up to a slower vehicle and can't get out because someones plonked themselves in the middle lane. You can effectively get stuck. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I drive in the middle lane everywhere I go, I find it gives me a bit of reaction time when I'm so d*unk I see six lanes and will probably fall asleep, so it gives me some lane drifting time before I'm rudely awoken by some cock with his horn, inconsiderate bastard |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
Over the rainbow, under the bridge |
I like to drive at just below 60 in the middle lane. Sometimes I even dip down to 55 and then accelerate to 75 when someone tries to overtake me. Just to piss people off and give them something to rant about.
I also drive the wrong way round roundabouts whistling the Marseillaise.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nearly as bad are Tlthe ones who won't drive in a 'bus lane' after 7pm when it's clearly signed 7am to 7pm. They piddle along at 50 on a dual carriageway in the outside lane leaving the bus lane empty holding up the trafilfic. Open your eyes! |
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By *ficouldMan
over a year ago
a quandary, could you change my mind? |
I drive a vehicle who's speed is hampered by steeper hills and is unable to maintain its speed (it's a bit brick shaped), I drive as required on the inside (left) lane at between 55 and 70 depending on traffic conditions and hills ..
I now find myself "over taking" vehicle on their left as it's a safer option than to move over two to four lanes depending on other users, so I make good progress in the left lane 
The police have the powers to prosecute these middle lane drivers (and always have 'driving without due care and attention " if they so wish, but infact I think they actually like them as they slow everyone else down. |
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By *MaleMan
over a year ago
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On duel carriageways they drive in the overtaking lane, slower than the inside lane. On 3 lane motorways they drive in the 2nd lane, slower than every other lane. On 4 lane motorways they drive in the 3rd lane, slower than every other lane.
God bless em |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtaking"
That!
I mean what on earth are they trying to achieve, some kind of my 'lorry' is bigger than yours competition? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is one of the things on the road that really bothers me! Even worse than people who don't indicate on roundabouts!
Does this annoy anyone else? Or am I just being a grumpy tw@"
good job you don't drive in USA |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say
Either is ok. If you can't see a vehicle in lane 1. Drive in it. If you're travelling at speed and a vehicle is in lane 1 stay in lane 2. Too many people weave in and out for no reason and thus causes issues with other road users. Using lane 2 in busy traffic even if lane 1 is available gives two tactical options. Where as traveling at speed to then having to traverse to lane 3 or 4 to then go back into lane 1 is just plain idiotic. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Apart from it being illegal to drive constantly in the middle lane. Yes it is bloody annoying coz it slows our motorway network down and is a dangerous practice. I loved it the other day when I watched a copper pull a car for this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Middle lane hoggers do it because it's just an extension of there personalities. Lazy, selfish, inconsiderate, socially inept tossers  They have poor situational awareness and lack the ability to understand the dangers due to their low intelligence. Other than that they're ok. |
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"Middle lane hoggers do it because it's just an extension of there personalities. Lazy, selfish, inconsiderate, socially inept tossers They have poor situational awareness and lack the ability to understand the dangers due to their low intelligence. Other than that they're ok."
Superbly put!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I like to drive at just below 60 in the middle lane. Sometimes I even dip down to 55 and then accelerate to 75 when someone tries to overtake me. Just to piss people off and give them something to rant about.
I also drive the wrong way round roundabouts whistling the Marseillaise.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Following on from changing lanes.
Why do most people not follow MSSM (mirror shoulder check signal manoeuvre) and just feel that SMMWS (signal manoeuvre mirror whoa shit) may be a great idea? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Old people do not understand priority from.the right at roundabouts.
My pet hate is left hand lane people who indicate left about a second from turning...
 , or after they've gone! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtaking"
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Mostly this. And also: cranes overtaking cranes! It happens so slowly the wheels might as well be square |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtakingm
Mostly this. And also: cranes overtaking cranes! It happens so slowly the wheels might as well be square "
Uphill, on a dual carriageway. Hmmm. Northbound towards Cambridge on the M11 by chance? |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack! |
One thing is for certain. Don`t rely on the police to monitor the "middle lane hoggers". I broke down on the M5 south of Michaelwood Services to other Sunday night. I had a discussion with the breakdown driver who rescued me and he told me that at that time of night, the M5 north of Bristol is policed by traffic division from .......... Swindon!  Swindon must be a good 60 miles away from where I broke down!!!! |
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"Middle lane drivers & people that undertake on the motorway because of them are a pain in the fecking arse."
I would have thought that the only people "under-takers" would be a pain to is middle lane drivers.
In which case, fuck em! |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
Retirement Village |
"Middle lane drivers & people that undertake on the motorway because of them are a pain in the fecking arse."
erm..... i may be a tiny bit guilty of this
Is it undertaking if you continue in your lane at the correct legal speed rather than slowing down and causing congestion |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Middle lane drivers & people that undertake on the motorway because of them are a pain in the fecking arse.
erm..... i may be a tiny bit guilty of this
Is it undertaking if you continue in your lane at the correct legal speed rather than slowing down and causing congestion "
No otherwise when one lane is stopped and the other is moving you'd all be in trouble lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Middle lane drivers & people that undertake on the motorway because of them are a pain in the fecking arse.
I would have thought that the only people "under-takers" would be a pain to is middle lane drivers.
In which case, fuck em!"
Well it kind of causes a pain when you're in the outside lane wanting to come in & you can't because the middle lane divers are being 'held' there by the undertaking fuckers on the inside lane... |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
Rushden |
"Old people who do not understand the speed limit on dual carrigeways is 70mph these days"
You do realise that it is a limit and not a target? Whereas it may be inconvenient for other road users, it is not illegal.
On the subject of "undertaking" I have it on good authority (The police after many discussions at the side of the M20!) that it is OK to keep to your speed to the max allowed if the outside or overtaking lane is moving slower.
I was stopped for going faster in my old Talbot motorhome than the overtaking lane. (If you know anything about Talbot vans, you will know this is quite a feat!) I asked the question what would happen if there had been an accident in the outside lane or a breakdown. Was I supposed to stop and make sure BOTH lanes were blocked? Obviously not they said!
I asked what about if my lane was free and someone was travelling slowly in the overtaking lane, did I have to match their speed and hold up the traffic behind me? Again they said of course not. So I told them that was what had just happened! I was reported but then had a letter telling me there would be no prosecution.
When pressed, I got the answer that what I had done was NOT considered "undertaking"! |
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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago
Retirement Village |
"Does not bother me up here, we only have Dual carriage ways, they cant hog what aint there. "
You haven't had the joy of driving on the A14 near Cambridge then where one lorry driver doing 60 overtakes another doing 59.9 on dual carraigeway with a trail behind them miles long  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say
Because it's an over taking lane I would imagine that's why "
So does that make the outside lane and overtaking, overtaking lane? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In one of the jobs I do I will hog the middle lane during the night, basically as the inside one is too bumpy and smooth driving is key and people are sleeping. Get a few flashes but at that time of the night the roads are dead and I'm not inconveniencing anyone.
Take me to jail
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtaking"
Blame the EU for that one. UK law says they can do 60 on a motorway but the EU makes them fit 56mph speed limiters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtaking
Blame the EU for that one. UK law says they can do 60 on a motorway but the EU makes them fit 56mph speed limiters."
The eu doesnt force them to overtake though does it :p
And dont most comlanies fit 52.ph limiters as standard to be safe |
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtaking
Blame the EU for that one. UK law says they can do 60 on a motorway but the EU makes them fit 56mph speed limiters."
Makes no difference. They are all flat on the limit. If the governor was set at 60 they would be creeping past each other just same but at 60 instead of 56. |
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"In one of the jobs I do I will hog the middle lane during the night, basically as the inside one is too bumpy and smooth driving is key and people are sleeping. Get a few flashes but at that time of the night the roads are dead and I'm not inconveniencing anyone.
Take me to jail
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It does inconvenience someone though doesn't it?
You dont want to move one lane to your left.
So the person coming up behind you has to move two lanes to their right and two back again just for you.
If there's nothing gaining on you, stay in the middle if you like, who's to even know or care but if somone gains on you move over.
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I don't mind middle lane hoggers as long as they are wearing short skirts or just a hint of stocking tops are on show preferably female lol..... come on ladies make a truckers day and make our long journeys a little more exciting x |
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"I have to say in bad weather I ride the bike in the middle lane, as it gives me some escape room in case I come off."
..... I think I saw you on the M6 last week you really should wear a cycle helmet lol
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtaking
Blame the EU for that one. UK law says they can do 60 on a motorway but the EU makes them fit 56mph speed limiters.
Makes no difference. They are all flat on the limit. If the governor was set at 60 they would be creeping past each other just same but at 60 instead of 56. "
But without the stupid speed limiters they would be able to accelerate to overtake properly and then resume their speed. The same way I suspect most people do using cruise control. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtaking
Blame the EU for that one. UK law says they can do 60 on a motorway but the EU makes them fit 56mph speed limiters.
The eu doesnt force them to overtake though does it :p
And dont most comlanies fit 52.ph limiters as standard to be safe"
That's bollocks, it's to save fuel, sod all to do with safety. That's why Tesco trucks only do 40 on single carriageways still and 50 on motorways. Smoke n mirrors. Same reason they took their livery off loads of trailers, so you have the perception that they don't actually have that many trucks on the road.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In one of the jobs I do I will hog the middle lane during the night, basically as the inside one is too bumpy and smooth driving is key and people are sleeping. Get a few flashes but at that time of the night the roads are dead and I'm not inconveniencing anyone.
Take me to jail
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Take you back to driving school more like
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"But without the stupid speed limiters they would be able to accelerate to overtake properly and then resume their speed. The same way I suspect most people do using cruise control."
Still not the case. Trucks must have governors.
You wouldn't want 44tonne of artic doing 80 mph hour up your arse in the middle lane.
Whatever limit you use, they will all be doing it.
How can a truck limited 60 accelerate past another one limited 60 if they are both doing 60?
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"But without the stupid speed limiters they would be able to accelerate to overtake properly and then resume their speed. The same way I suspect most people do using cruise control.
Still not the case. Trucks must have governors.
You wouldn't want 44tonne of artic doing 80 mph hour up your arse in the middle lane.
Whatever limit you use, they will all be doing it.
How can a truck limited 60 accelerate past another one limited 60 if they are both doing 60?
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Which bit of 'without the stupid speed limiters' are you having trouble with? |
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Which bit of 'without the stupid speed limiters' are you having trouble with?"
The bit where I assumed you meant stupidly set speeds on the limiters.
I didn't for one moment think that anyone in their right mind could imagine or advocate a scenario where modern trucks could be allowed to run without a limiter. |
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I like the middle lane best!!
If the road is empty I will cruise in the middle lane at 70/80 though if some plonker in a Beemer comes up behind me doing 110 I move over before he has to change lanes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But without the stupid speed limiters they would be able to accelerate to overtake properly and then resume their speed. The same way I suspect most people do using cruise control.
Still not the case. Trucks must have governors.
You wouldn't want 44tonne of artic doing 80 mph hour up your arse in the middle lane.
Whatever limit you use, they will all be doing it.
How can a truck limited 60 accelerate past another one limited 60 if they are both doing 60?
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Depends on the weight, up hill/ downhill, solo/ with trailer. It's easily done.
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Depends on the weight, up hill/ downhill, solo/ with trailer. It's easily done.
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Of course, which which is how they manage to pass each other at all.
My point to the other poster was that if they have limiters it won't matter what they are set at, they will all be the same you will still have trucks creeping past each other at a snails pace.
And removing limiters at all is never gonna happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Im sticking with the middle lane and tough if you dont like it
Your gonna look proper sily hogging the middle lane on a sports bike though!"
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Depends on the weight, up hill/ downhill, solo/ with trailer. It's easily done.
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Of course, which which is how they manage to pass each other at all.
My point to the other poster was that if they have limiters it won't matter what they are set at, they will all be the same you will still have trucks creeping past each other at a snails pace.
And removing limiters at all is never gonna happen. "
They all have limiters, anything over 3.5t has. Some however are set differently. I'm on the road now with 7 trucks, each one is different. Ranging from 82-90kms.
Just because they're limited to that doesn't mean they do that. Some will tootle along happily at 80kms but have the extra capacity.
Tesco trucks and many supermarket ones, are limited to 80km (50mph) under the guise of safety. It's not, it's to save money but ultimately pisses people off.
When you are flat out in a truck you want to keep that momentum. If you catch up with someone and have to slow down and can't over take, that's a pain in the Arse and slows you right down again and you have to start all over. That's why they creep past in the middle lane. Car drivers can of course use the outside one, trucks can't. So if there's something holding you up its more likely to be the outside lane and not the middle or inside.
A few kms does make a difference too so it is worth us overtaking. A difference of 5kms per hour on a full day is potentially 50kms - Edinburgh to Glasgow nearly - and for some jobs can be the difference between getting home or having to park at the side of the road for the night - even if you're only a few miles from home.
That's why they do it, it's not to be a dick.
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Depends on the weight, up hill/ downhill, solo/ with trailer. It's easily done.
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Of course, which which is how they manage to pass each other at all.
My point to the other poster was that if they have limiters it won't matter what they are set at, they will all be the same you will still have trucks creeping past each other at a snails pace.
And removing limiters at all is never gonna happen.
They all have limiters, anything over 3.5t has. Some however are set differently. I'm on the road now with 7 trucks, each one is different. Ranging from 82-90kms.
Just because they're limited to that doesn't mean they do that. Some will tootle along happily at 80kms but have the extra capacity.
Tesco trucks and many supermarket ones, are limited to 80km (50mph) under the guise of safety. It's not, it's to save money but ultimately pisses people off.
When you are flat out in a truck you want to keep that momentum. If you catch up with someone and have to slow down and can't over take, that's a pain in the Arse and slows you right down again and you have to start all over. That's why they creep past in the middle lane. Car drivers can of course use the outside one, trucks can't. So if there's something holding you up its more likely to be the outside lane and not the middle or inside.
A few kms does make a difference too so it is worth us overtaking. A difference of 5kms per hour on a full day is potentially 50kms - Edinburgh to Glasgow nearly - and for some jobs can be the difference between getting home or having to park at the side of the road for the night - even if you're only a few miles from home.
That's why they do it, it's not to be a dick.
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Agreed. Currently busy changing a fleet back to 56mph from 52mph as we kept running out of hours on trunking routes.
52mph saved the company a small fortune (literally) in fuel but drivers bloody hate it! |
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I didn't for one moment think that anyone in their right mind could imagine or advocate a scenario where modern trucks could be allowed to run without a limiter. "
You do realise that speed limiters are a relatively new thing bought in by the EU? |
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I didn't for one moment think that anyone in their right mind could imagine or advocate a scenario where modern trucks could be allowed to run without a limiter.
You do realise that speed limiters are a relatively new thing bought in by the EU?"
For competition fairness, same as drivers hours regs, not safety.
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"Why drive in the middle lane if the inside lane is free ?
Why drive in the inside lane when the middle lane is free i say "
In many cases - the inside lane is heavily worn - driving in the middle and overtaking lanes give a much more comfortable ride.
That said - middle lane drivers ... arghhhhhh!! |
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I didn't for one moment think that anyone in their right mind could imagine or advocate a scenario where modern trucks could be allowed to run without a limiter.
You do realise that speed limiters are a relatively new thing bought in by the EU?"
If you cal 1992 relatively new, yep.
And they are a good thing. Otherwise firstly, you would still have LGV's capable of stupid speeds on our roads and secondly, as mentioned by Free n Easy, it gives a level playing field for those sensible operators so they are not under it by cowboys running ungoverned trucks with "magic buttons" on the tacho graphs. |
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I didn't for one moment think that anyone in their right mind could imagine or advocate a scenario where modern trucks could be allowed to run without a limiter.
You do realise that speed limiters are a relatively new thing bought in by the EU?
If you cal 1992 relatively new, yep.
And they are a good thing. Otherwise firstly, you would still have LGV's capable of stupid speeds on our roads and secondly, as mentioned by Free n Easy, it gives a level playing field for those sensible operators so they are not under it by cowboys running ungoverned trucks with "magic buttons" on the tacho graphs. "
Except we still are. Magnets, fuses pulled, drivers with multiple cards yada yada. Issues for another post! Lol
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Except we still are. Magnets, fuses pulled, drivers with multiple cards yada yada. Issues for another post! Lol
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Yep, but at least with regs driving 20 hours a day at 80mph in deathtraps is illegal, rather than common practise.
It's arguably a good thing to come from the EU. |
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Except we still are. Magnets, fuses pulled, drivers with multiple cards yada yada. Issues for another post! Lol
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Yep, but at least with regs driving 20 hours a day at 80mph in deathtraps is illegal, rather than common practise.
It's arguably a good thing to come from the EU. "
Agree to a degree, the industry needs standardisation across the EU. At the moment there are too many 'pitfalls' (and not to mention corruption - French and Spanish cops etc) in each member state with different laws and rules round trucking/ coaches. Laws should be the same across the board in my view. I'm sure there are rules here that other countries don't have and their drivers get caught out with.
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In many cases - the inside lane is heavily worn ............................"
A few years ago I bought an ex-MOD turntable trailer from that big dealer near Grantham. It`s 2.5 tonnes unladen and because of it`s size I hired a 7.5 tonne tipper to haul it back to Dorset. Got out on the A1 (?A1M?) and accelerated up to 50 mph and nearly threw the whole lot over the hedge because the trailer started climbing in and out of the "tramlines" Ended up doing 40 mph all the bloody way down to the M25! |
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"Apart from middle lane hogs people who stick the rear fog lights on in a light drizzle piss me off. Thinking of forming a grumpy party to deal with these muppets !"
Fog lights on when there's a good couple of miles visibility should mean they're stopped driving due to assumed eyesight deficiency - I've seen it a lot tis year, visibility for a few miles and yet they stick their lights on to dazzle others. |
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In case anyone hadn't seen it, there has now been a case of a driver being convicted of 'lane hogging' - 5 points and nearly £1000 in fines and costs...!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11690110/Motorist-becomes-first-convicted-of-hogging-motorway-middle-lane.html
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"In case anyone hadn't seen it, there has now been a case of a driver being convicted of 'lane hogging' - 5 points and nearly £1000 in fines and costs...!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11690110/Motorist-becomes-first-convicted-of-hogging-motorway-middle-lane.html
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Note: This was last year, so more cases may have happened, but this was the first....
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Apart from middle lane hogs people who stick the rear fog lights on in a light drizzle piss me off. Thinking of forming a grumpy party to deal with these muppets !
Fog lights on when there's a good couple of miles visibility should mean they're stopped driving due to assumed eyesight deficiency - I've seen it a lot tis year, visibility for a few miles and yet they stick their lights on to dazzle others."
But, but, but.........over there, there on the horizon......there's a wispy piece of fog measuring one foot by foot. I've spotted it with my super, duper eyesight and that fog light is going on pronto. |
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I think a lot of this is down to too many cars having too many built in "safety" features that cocoon drivers into not thinking for themselves.
I'd have modern cars fitted with a 6 inch nail protruding from the center of the steering wheel... just to sharpen up the concentration |
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"Seen this all day today around the m25, so inconsiderate and it's usually the people in their posh land rovers and Mercedes etc. (Not saying they all do)
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Surprised, Thought the m25 was just a big monster car park for londoners.
Anyway I feel it's the people who own they land rovers, Audi 4x4, BMW 4x4, why do these seem if they drive as if they own the road, I mean they own 4x4's, I bet they NEVER actually been off road.
Boy racers in Subaru's or Mitsubishi EVO's, had a YELLOW one fly past me on a country road, honestly some of them need there head examined.
Also when you get the ones that weave from one lane to another, speeding, overtaking everyone as if there at a racetrack. |
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"Very current for me. Drove home from London on the M40 last night.
No traffic at all but I must have had to navigate round 50 middle laners. Ridiculous"
By switching lane? Skills. |
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"Very current for me. Drove home from London on the M40 last night.
No traffic at all but I must have had to navigate round 50 middle laners. Ridiculous"
I'd hate that too, but in my experience a lot of time in the south east, the whole system of inner and overtaking lanes breaks down and you end up with 3/4 lanes all going essentially the same speed most of the time. I'm sure there's a tipping point for that and some formula that could be used to establish it.
It's when its quieter that it's even worse in a way. Plenty of times on the M4 further west it's quite quiet, I'm doing 70mph in the inside lane for ages with nothing ahead then come upon someone doing 60 in the middle.
Even worse is when you finally come across someone going slower in the inside (which is fine) but you're blocked from getting out cis someone is plonked in the middle lane not getting past you. Happened yesterday.
Not saying it's not an issue in busy motorways round your way though - I have a big issue with middle lane hoggers, as you can probably tell! |
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"Very current for me. Drove home from London on the M40 last night.
No traffic at all but I must have had to navigate round 50 middle laners. Ridiculous
I'd hate that too, but in my experience a lot of time in the south east, the whole system of inner and overtaking lanes breaks down and you end up with 3/4 lanes all going essentially the same speed most of the time. I'm sure there's a tipping point for that and some formula that could be used to establish it.
It's when its quieter that it's even worse in a way. Plenty of times on the M4 further west it's quite quiet, I'm doing 70mph in the inside lane for ages with nothing ahead then come upon someone doing 60 in the middle.
Even worse is when you finally come across someone going slower in the inside (which is fine) but you're blocked from getting out cis someone is plonked in the middle lane not getting past you. Happened yesterday.
Not saying it's not an issue in busy motorways round your way though - I have a big issue with middle lane hoggers, as you can probably tell!"
Couldn't agree more.
Your dead right about the formulas for working out tipping points.
A few years ago I was invited to a forum to discuss the motorway network and planned improvements and part of it was a lecture about motorway traffic flow.
Poor lane discipline was one of the major contributing factors to the need to spend billions on increasing the number of lanes on our current system.
Outside of rush hour, there is plenty of room on the roads if people just used the correct lane.
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"Very current for me. Drove home from London on the M40 last night.
No traffic at all but I must have had to navigate round 50 middle laners. Ridiculous
I'd hate that too, but in my experience a lot of time in the south east, the whole system of inner and overtaking lanes breaks down and you end up with 3/4 lanes all going essentially the same speed most of the time. I'm sure there's a tipping point for that and some formula that could be used to establish it.
It's when its quieter that it's even worse in a way. Plenty of times on the M4 further west it's quite quiet, I'm doing 70mph in the inside lane for ages with nothing ahead then come upon someone doing 60 in the middle.
Even worse is when you finally come across someone going slower in the inside (which is fine) but you're blocked from getting out cis someone is plonked in the middle lane not getting past you. Happened yesterday.
Not saying it's not an issue in busy motorways round your way though - I have a big issue with middle lane hoggers, as you can probably tell!
Couldn't agree more.
Your dead right about the formulas for working out tipping points.
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Really - deep down I thought it might be one of the daft theories I come up with whole bored
Going off at a tangent a bit, I once read that, occasionally motorway traffic grounds to a halt for no discernible reason - some weird situation that's rooted in the laws of physics. |
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"lorry drivers who try to pass another lorry on a two lane road when going 0.000000001 mph faster than the one they are overtakingm
Mostly this. And also: cranes overtaking cranes! It happens so slowly the wheels might as well be square
Uphill, on a dual carriageway. Hmmm. Northbound towards Cambridge on the M11 by chance? "
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Yep, that was covered in the presentation and was called "Braking waves"
At the risk of sounding sad and boring it works like this.
Everyone is doing 70 (theoretically for the sake of the explanation) when somone brakes to 60 for whatever reason.
The car behind brakes to 60 as well but due to the time he took to react in the first place he is now much closer than he was to the car in front so to compensate, he continues his braking to 55 to replace the gap.
Every car in line does the same and reacts with slightly more loss of speed than the car in front and eventually cars brake all the way to a stop.
A jam begins to build.
Conversely, when they set off again, everyone does not set off at the same time.
The one in front moves and the one behind waits 2 seconds before he reacts. The next car waits 2 seconds so he has not moved until 4 seconds after the initial queue starts and so it follows back.
If the first car to come to a standstill as a result of the Braking Wave causes 500 cars behind to stop (easily done on a busy motorway) then If the initial car only stops for 2 seconds, the last car to stop will wait for 16 minutes before moving off.
I'm sure the physics are far more complex than that but as a layman and a dullard, it explains it well enough for me.
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"Yep, that was covered in the presentation and was called "Braking waves"
At the risk of sounding sad and boring it works like this.
Everyone is doing 70 (theoretically for the sake of the explanation) when somone brakes to 60 for whatever reason.
The car behind brakes to 60 as well but due to the time he took to react in the first place he is now much closer than he was to the car in front so to compensate, he continues his braking to 55 to replace the gap.
Every car in line does the same and reacts with slightly more loss of speed than the car in front and eventually cars brake all the way to a stop.
A jam begins to build.
Conversely, when they set off again, everyone does not set off at the same time.
The one in front moves and the one behind waits 2 seconds before he reacts. The next car waits 2 seconds so he has not moved until 4 seconds after the initial queue starts and so it follows back.
If the first car to come to a standstill as a result of the Braking Wave causes 500 cars behind to stop (easily done on a busy motorway) then If the initial car only stops for 2 seconds, the last car to stop will wait for 16 minutes before moving off.
I'm sure the physics are far more complex than that but as a layman and a dullard, it explains it well enough for me.
I need a hobby. I'm off to the gym. "
You are a veritable treasure-trove of fascinating information. Who needs Wikipedia when you've got LadyboyDaddyPedia?! .
I think I actually understand the concept too thanks to the expert explanation!
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