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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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An interesting article coming up today. FAILED asylum seekers (illegal migrants/ financial migrants or whatever).
Under rulings from the European courts we are apparently having to pay them tens of thousands each in compensation for "wrongfully detaining" them prior to the court also blocking us from kicking the illegal scroungers out.
One guy on program given £33k compensation. But as he is an illegal immigrant he can't open a bank account...so he spent it all on drugs and gambling.....un be fecking leavable!! |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
Found it.
Key parts are:
If judges determine the government has detained someone unlawfully, it must pay compensation.
"Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office is intending to deport someone and there's a reasonable prospect of that taking place.
"But what we're seeing is people being detained for months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there's no prospect of their deportation actually taking place," he said.
So it's basically not a case of illegal immigrants being given sack loads of money, it's the government not detaining people lawfully and in some cases for a long time. If I were locked up for no sound reason then I think I'd be looking for compensation, too.
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Found it.
Key parts are:
If judges determine the government has detained someone unlawfully, it must pay compensation.
"Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office is intending to deport someone and there's a reasonable prospect of that taking place.
"But what we're seeing is people being detained for months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there's no prospect of their deportation actually taking place," he said.
So it's basically not a case of illegal immigrants being given sack loads of money, it's the government not detaining people lawfully and in some cases for a long time. If I were locked up for no sound reason then I think I'd be looking for compensation, too.
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Now now, let's not cloud this topic with sense. People want outrage, not information! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An interesting article coming up today. FAILED asylum seekers (illegal migrants/ financial migrants or whatever).
Under rulings from the European courts we are apparently having to pay them tens of thousands each in compensation for "wrongfully detaining" them prior to the court also blocking us from kicking the illegal scroungers out.
One guy on program given £33k compensation. But as he is an illegal immigrant he can't open a bank account...so he spent it all on drugs and gambling.....un be fecking leavable!!"
how do i go about getting detained ?!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Found it.
Key parts are:
If judges determine the government has detained someone unlawfully, it must pay compensation.
"Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office is intending to deport someone and there's a reasonable prospect of that taking place.
"But what we're seeing is people being detained for months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there's no prospect of their deportation actually taking place," he said.
So it's basically not a case of illegal immigrants being given sack loads of money, it's the government not detaining people lawfully and in some cases for a long time. If I were locked up for no sound reason then I think I'd be looking for compensation, too.
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Fully agree with this....but the point being made was that they were detained (as illegal/economic migrants) with what was thought to be a genuine reason/prospect to deport them. But the courts, following rulings from EU courts then said no to the deportation. Only then did it become a 'wrongful " detention. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
"Found it.
Key parts are:
If judges determine the government has detained someone unlawfully, it must pay compensation.
"Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office is intending to deport someone and there's a reasonable prospect of that taking place.
"But what we're seeing is people being detained for months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there's no prospect of their deportation actually taking place," he said.
So it's basically not a case of illegal immigrants being given sack loads of money, it's the government not detaining people lawfully and in some cases for a long time. If I were locked up for no sound reason then I think I'd be looking for compensation, too.
Fully agree with this....but the point being made was that they were detained (as illegal/economic migrants) with what was thought to be a genuine reason/prospect to deport them. But the courts, following rulings from EU courts then said no to the deportation. Only then did it become a 'wrongful " detention."
So if the rozzers nicked you on what they THOUGHT were good grounds, kept you detained for ages and then it turned out you were perfectly innocent all along, would that be 'wrongful' or just wrong? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If a government acts wrongfully then it should rectify. Monetary compensation is one such rectification. Just because someone is an illegal immigrant doesn't mean the government can do whatever it wants with that person - including unlawful detention for months or years. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
"The "wrongful" here is that we are not allowed to deport many of the illegal/economic migrants who on any sane planet have no right to be here!"
However, the one's gaining compensation aren't illegal immigrants, hence the compensation. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't read the daily mail....my eyes would fall out if I did. I was merely pointing out what was on the TV show so people could discuss.
The point raised was, however, that many of these people would normally be deported/sent back quick sharp as they are economic/illegal migrants rather than asylum seekers (whom I have every sympathy with). But EU court rulings about their "human rights" ( I remember one case it was because someone had "adopted a cat") prevent us sending them back.
Oddly , in Greece they are sending hundreds back on a daily basis. Under an agreement with Turkey the "genuine" ones are sent back to camps in Turkey to swap on a one for one basis because they should have applied for asylum in Turkey. The economic migrants are detained and sent back within days....all agreed by EU commission. Double standards? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's no doubt there's some very dubious reasons for getting "asylum"!.
However I'm totally against my government detaining people for months and months.
These applications should have a maximum time allowance of say one month before a decision is made by the courts |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"one easy way to stop that rubbish, just vote in the referendum "
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British courts could well see it as the same problem!.
The problem seems to stem from a lack of government speed!.
I'd like to throw alot more manpower at speeding up these applications to a maximum time of a month preferably two weeks |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"An interesting article coming up today. FAILED asylum seekers (illegal migrants/ financial migrants or whatever).
Under rulings from the European courts we are apparently having to pay them tens of thousands each in compensation for "wrongfully detaining" them prior to the court also blocking us from kicking the illegal scroungers out.
One guy on program given £33k compensation. But as he is an illegal immigrant he can't open a bank account...so he spent it all on drugs and gambling.....un be fecking leavable!!"
i love threads like this.....because they sometimes like the twist the fact and the cicumstances of a story to fit a narrative.......
the OP has twisted this one to the point of being really disingenious with the truth.....
so after thinking... this doesn't feel right..... i found this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36054353
so the actual reason that he could not be deported was that he had no passport.. and the country where he has come from refused to give him one.....so they couldn't confirm he was a citizen anyway.... so in effect he is actually "stateless" and in that case you cannot detain someone for an unlimited timeframe
so it would have had nothing to do with the EU court at all..... any british court would have thrown that out....
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
yumsville |
"Found it.
Key parts are:
If judges determine the government has detained someone unlawfully, it must pay compensation.
"Immigration detention is lawful in certain circumstances where the Home Office is intending to deport someone and there's a reasonable prospect of that taking place.
"But what we're seeing is people being detained for months, often for years, long after it becomes apparent that there's no prospect of their deportation actually taking place," he said.
So it's basically not a case of illegal immigrants being given sack loads of money, it's the government not detaining people lawfully and in some cases for a long time. If I were locked up for no sound reason then I think I'd be looking for compensation, too.
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Yep there was a story in the Guardian a couple of days ago. One solicitor would hear hundreds of cases a week form immigrants and detainees, he would turn them all away as there are only specific circumstances where their rights are violated and can progress to court action. It had been toughened up by a recent British law that (from memory) was in respect to their treatment whilst in detention I think.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The sad side of this type of story is that so many choose not to dig a little further to understand the real story behind the soundbite.
Some just want to be outraged. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An interesting article coming up today. FAILED asylum seekers (illegal migrants/ financial migrants or whatever).
Under rulings from the European courts we are apparently having to pay them tens of thousands each in compensation for "wrongfully detaining" them prior to the court also blocking us from kicking the illegal scroungers out.
One guy on program given £33k compensation. But as he is an illegal immigrant he can't open a bank account...so he spent it all on drugs and gambling.....un be fecking leavable!!"
Did they give it to him in cash ? |
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"A lack of common sense."
Something which is common within the EU it seems. On the front page of many newspapers today even Mr EU himself Jean Claude Juncker openly admits the EU meddles too much in individual nation states affairs. |
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"The sad side of this type of story is that so many choose not to dig a little further to understand the real story behind the soundbite.
Some just want to be outraged."
Indeed some people on this thread criticising the UK government for wrongful detention should really go and read up on how the European arrest warrant works. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"A lack of common sense.
Something which is common within the EU it seems. On the front page of many newspapers today even Mr EU himself Jean Claude Juncker openly admits the EU meddles too much in individual nation states affairs. "
did you even bother reading this story... or does your "someone is having a go at the EU i must join in" alarm just automatically go off....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An interesting article coming up today. FAILED asylum seekers (illegal migrants/ financial migrants or whatever).
Under rulings from the European courts we are apparently having to pay them tens of thousands each in compensation for "wrongfully detaining" them prior to the court also blocking us from kicking the illegal scroungers out.
One guy on program given £33k compensation. But as he is an illegal immigrant he can't open a bank account...so he spent it all on drugs and gambling.....un be fecking leavable!!
Did they give it to him in cash ? "
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UK government usually issue bankers cheque, you can cash them at any bank |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An interesting article coming up today. FAILED asylum seekers (illegal migrants/ financial migrants or whatever).
Under rulings from the European courts we are apparently having to pay them tens of thousands each in compensation for "wrongfully detaining" them prior to the court also blocking us from kicking the illegal scroungers out.
One guy on program given £33k compensation. But as he is an illegal immigrant he can't open a bank account...so he spent it all on drugs and gambling.....un be fecking leavable!!
Did they give it to him in cash ? .
UK government usually issue bankers cheque, you can cash them at any bank"
Me must have had a massive bag to carry that lot. |
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"A lack of common sense.
Something which is common within the EU it seems. On the front page of many newspapers today even Mr EU himself Jean Claude Juncker openly admits the EU meddles too much in individual nation states affairs.
did you even bother reading this story... or does your "someone is having a go at the EU i must join in" alarm just automatically go off....... "
You seem to have a recurring habit on threads _abio of reading stuff in posts which is simply not there. I never mentioned this one particular case in my post which you went off on a rant about, I'm talking in more general terms about the EU, and how the EU meddles too much in nation states affairs which Jean Claude Juncker has openly admitted himself (check the front pages of some newspapers today it's on quite a few). |
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"A lack of common sense.
Something which is common within the EU it seems. On the front page of many newspapers today even Mr EU himself Jean Claude Juncker openly admits the EU meddles too much in individual nation states affairs.
did you even bother reading this story... or does your "someone is having a go at the EU i must join in" alarm just automatically go off.......
You seem to have a recurring habit on threads _abio of reading stuff in posts which is simply not there. I never mentioned this one particular case in my post which you went off on a rant about, I'm talking in more general terms about the EU, and how the EU meddles too much in nation states affairs which Jean Claude Juncker has openly admitted himself (check the front pages of some newspapers today it's on quite a few). "
Except that this story about migrants is nothing to to with the EU...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An interesting article coming up today. FAILED asylum seekers (illegal migrants/ financial migrants or whatever).
Under rulings from the European courts we are apparently having to pay them tens of thousands each in compensation for "wrongfully detaining" them prior to the court also blocking us from kicking the illegal scroungers out.
One guy on program given £33k compensation. But as he is an illegal immigrant he can't open a bank account...so he spent it all on drugs and gambling.....un be fecking leavable!!
Did they give it to him in cash ? .
UK government usually issue bankers cheque, you can cash them at any bank
Me must have had a massive bag to carry that lot. "
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You can get 75 grand in a briefcase if you use 100 pound notes!.... Don't ask me how I know that, it's a long story  |
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"I don't read the daily mail....my eyes would fall out if I did. I was merely pointing out what was on the TV show so people could discuss.
The point raised was, however, that many of these people would normally be deported/sent back quick sharp as they are economic/illegal migrants rather than asylum seekers (whom I have every sympathy with). But EU court rulings about their "human rights" ( I remember one case it was because someone had "adopted a cat") prevent us sending them back.
Oddly , in Greece they are sending hundreds back on a daily basis. Under an agreement with Turkey the "genuine" ones are sent back to camps in Turkey to swap on a one for one basis because they should have applied for asylum in Turkey. The economic migrants are detained and sent back within days....all agreed by EU commission. Double standards?"
The legality of the EU/Turkey deal has been questioned by the United Nations but Jean Claude Juncker thinks the EU is above the law (he says it's legal under the terms of the Geneva convention but again this has been questioned by the UN). The EU/Turkey deal has also been publicly condemned by amnesty international. The EU condemns individual EU countries for putting up their own border controls, so as you said it is a clear case of double standards from the EU. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"A lack of common sense.
Something which is common within the EU it seems. On the front page of many newspapers today even Mr EU himself Jean Claude Juncker openly admits the EU meddles too much in individual nation states affairs.
did you even bother reading this story... or does your "someone is having a go at the EU i must join in" alarm just automatically go off.......
You seem to have a recurring habit on threads _abio of reading stuff in posts which is simply not there. I never mentioned this one particular case in my post which you went off on a rant about, I'm talking in more general terms about the EU, and how the EU meddles too much in nation states affairs which Jean Claude Juncker has openly admitted himself (check the front pages of some newspapers today it's on quite a few). "
again..... did you even bother reading the bbc link that goes with this story???? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"one easy way to stop that rubbish, just vote in the referendum
I'm not sure that compensating people who have been illegally detained is rubbish. "
The "illegal detention" is as a result of EU court over-ruling our own corts. Spurious reasons not to deport as nentioned previously. If our own courts were allowrd to deport economic migrants and illegals...even if they do now have a cat.....then there would be no problem |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"one easy way to stop that rubbish, just vote in the referendum
I'm not sure that compensating people who have been illegally detained is rubbish.
The "illegal detention" is as a result of EU court over-ruling our own corts. Spurious reasons not to deport as nentioned previously. If our own courts were allowrd to deport economic migrants and illegals...even if they do now have a cat.....then there would be no problem"
actually it isn't... it is the UK supreme court that decides these... not the European court of justice as you like to claim....
oh.... and you can blame the house of lords as well.... the government wanted to allow unlimited detention... they voted that down and put in a 28 day clause instead (the only exception to that is in terrorism related situations....)
you opening post is inaccurate to the extreme.... |
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"one easy way to stop that rubbish, just vote in the referendum
I'm not sure that compensating people who have been illegally detained is rubbish.
The "illegal detention" is as a result of EU court over-ruling our own corts. Spurious reasons not to deport as nentioned previously. If our own courts were allowrd to deport economic migrants and illegals...even if they do now have a cat.....then there would be no problem"
No it's the UK courts, who made the decision, based on UK and International law. In fact if the UK had followed EU law, this would not have occurred; since the UK is the ONLY country in the EU that has no time limit on detention; if UK had followed EU practice, it would have had to deal with this and solve it sooner.... |
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