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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Michael Gove to argue leaving EU would liberate UK

Quitting the EU would be an act of liberation and patriotic renewal, Michael Gove is to say, as the war of the words in the debate intensifies.

The justice secretary, who backs EU exit, will accuse those who want to stay of treating voters "like children who can be frightened into obedience".

Mr Gove will warn of a further loss of powers to Europe in areas such as tax and asylum if the UK stays in the EU.

He will describe a vote to leave as a "galvanising, liberating, empowering moment of patriotic renewal".

In contrast, he will suggest a vote to remain would effectively maroon the UK within the EU, where it would have to accept further political and financial integration.

In the run-up to the 23 June referendum, it is making the case for what it says is the greater democratic control and enhanced sovereignty that leaving the EU would bring.

It will be an interesting day in Westminster, I expect this topic will also be on Radio 2 Jeremy Vine this lunch time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Same guy that complained about Government propaganda over EU yet happy to flood Scotland with it for their referendum, that Micheal Gove?

Nah, yer a'right. Jeremy Vine can fuck off too (to his tax haven with his 10 yr old shareholders)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree with Mr Gove on his comments about the way the Remain camp have been conducting their campaign. I feel that the PM, in his various messages on the subject, has been treating us like idiots - and this, I feel, is why he is likely to lose the referendum.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The same Gove who was booted out of office for failing? If he'd been any good, he'd still be Education Secretary.

He's a slimy Gove....(apologies to Lewis Carroll)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's so funny watching this now. Verbatim agreements with the same big hitters and scare stories, mass media pushes - from the same people who were throwing them at Scotland.

Carlsberg don't make Irony...

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I might cast my vote on personality, not issues or I might vote according to how many blue or red cars I see on the way to the polling booth.

I'm getting nowhere in the real world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We're voting out. End ex.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"I agree with Mr Gove on his comments about the way the Remain camp have been conducting their campaign."

What about the way the leave campaign has based their campaign on terrorism and immigration?

Cal

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"I agree with Mr Gove on his comments about the way the Remain camp have been conducting their campaign. I feel that the PM, in his various messages on the subject, has been treating us like idiots - and this, I feel, is why he is likely to lose the referendum."

It would be a sad reflection on those potentially making their most important voting decision if they did so based on anything other than intellectual analysis. Voting due to the tone of a known spin merchant is tragic.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

If you are basing your best arguments for leaving the EU on patriotism, then you truly are desperate.

Which sums up the leave campaign.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Isn't OP the same guy that posted a long list of reasons to leave. However most of his sources were pretty dubious at best.

I agree with the poster above, patriotic arguments are really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Pfft

...is all I have ta say 'bout dat

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

I find myself semi-agreeing with Gove on something and there is a nasty taste in my mouth!

The ONLY thing this referendum is about is Sovereignty.

The question is do we stay in and continue to slowly seed power to Brussels or do we leave and return power to Westminster?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Our fate is in your hands , Choose wisely my child

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Our fate is in your hands , Choose wisely my child"

Oi!

Get your grubby mitts off my bits!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the OP should just make his own mind up in his own time...preferably elsewhere and leave us out of it

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"I find myself semi-agreeing with Gove on something and there is a nasty taste in my mouth!

The ONLY thing this referendum is about is Sovereignty.

The question is do we stay in and continue to slowly seed power to Brussels or do we leave and return power to Westminster?"

Actually sovereignty is nothing whatsoever to do with the EU and is not under threat from the EU;

Any perceived loss of sovereignty is down purely to the ineptitude of Westminster, and the complete disinterest by our politicians; they nod through any EU law; when our government and parliament ( as with any other EU country's government ) has every right to debate and vote on it all; they just don't bother.

Neither do our ministers ( who sit on the Council of ministers, ) bother to debate many of the EU proposals ( nothing can be proposed in the EU unless the Council of ministers has agred it can go forward .

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

In confused by many comments saying they don't trust they government so will vote to leave .and then giving the untrustworthy government full power to negotiate what comes after ..

Surely if you don't trust the government you give them less power not more..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'll just be pleased when it's over

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By *rKinkedKuntMan over a year ago

Sheffield

Both sides of the argument have been nothing but petty name callers. Not one has offered up any real hard facts which is making it really difficult to make an actual I formed decision. Sadly many will vote with their heart over there head anyways so maybe that's what they have realised.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Both sides of the argument have been nothing but petty name callers. Not one has offered up any real hard facts which is making it really difficult to make an actual I formed decision. Sadly many will vote with their heart over there head anyways so maybe that's what they have realised. "

Surely you can find a better source for your information than a swinging site forum? There's tonnes of articles on the Internet to inform your decision.

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By *rKinkedKuntMan over a year ago

Sheffield

Surely you can find a better source for your information than a swinging site forum? There's tonnes of articles on the Internet to inform your decision. "

Really? I never though to check the Internet

Oh that's right, all the articles out there are hear say, guess work and shouting at each other. Either side is still lacking any real information

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

Thats because the truth is no matter which way we vote it will have no impact on the economy other than that which will be driven by the profiteering bagmen of the international financial markets who will size on any result as an excuse to dump shares destabilising the British and European economies to make a quick buck in a bear market by buying them back at a much lower value.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

Michael Gove? .... a hard line extreme right wing totalitarian is painting himself to be some kind of freedom fighter for civil liberty against a self serving beauracracy?

is this not the ultimate irony?!

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"Michael Gove? .... a hard line extreme right wing totalitarian is painting himself to be some kind of freedom fighter for civil liberty against a self serving beauracracy?

is this not the ultimate irony?!

Not really. Every extremist totalitarian right wing, left wing or religious wraps themselves in the flag they think will gain them most support in their bid for power.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think the OP should just make his own mind up in his own time...preferably elsewhere and leave us out of it"

Pssst; you don't have to comment on this tread (you do understand that) don't you?

silly person

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

The Economy

The Exciting New World Outside the European Union

With every new EU regulation and with every extra pound paid into the E U’s coffers, Britain’s EU membership is an increasingly bad deal. I do not know of any cost-benefit study that shows EU membership actually benefits Britain. On the contrary, they vie with each other to show how costly, and increasingly costly, membership is. The country needs a new relationship with the EU

A free trade relationship for Britain and the EU

When we set up Global Vision in 2007, we focused on the economic case for an EFTA/Swiss-style relationship with the EU based on trade and mutually beneficial co-operation. We understand that trade with the EU countries is important to Britain but, under a free trade relationship with the EU, this would continue. There is not a shred of evidence to show that trade would be blocked – just look at Germany’s trade surplus with us

But we do not need the single Market, which is still widely misunderstood in this country as a free trade area. It is not a free trade area. It is a highly regulated market based on the notion of “harmonization”. And the costs of the Single Market’s regulations far outweigh the benefits. We do not need the EU’s Custom’s Union either, an idea as dated as drainpipe trousers and beehive hairstyles. Indeed we would be better off outside the Custom’s Union. We would then be free to choose the countries we wanted to negotiate special trade deals with, rather than rely on Brussels to decide for us.

This negotiating freedom is a huge potential boon for this country. It is too often overlooked. Much is, rightly, made of the savings we would make if we left the EU. But too little is made of the potential prizes if were free to negotiate our own trade deals. Yet these potential prizes are the really exciting aspect of leaving the EU in the rapidly changing 21st-century global economy, where Europe will inevitably shrink in relative importance. They could transform the economic prospects of this country.

Free to trade: the importance of the Commonwealth

The US, which is UK’s largest trading partner by a substantial margin, and the biggest investor in the UK by a mile, would be an obvious candidate. But so would be the Commonwealth nations whose economic potential is quite special, not least of all because of the Indian economy, which is clocking up annual growth rates of 7-8 per cent. The Indian Diaspora, well represented here in the UK, adds to the excitement of the Commonwealth’s economic prospects and its relevance to Britain.

And the Commonwealth is open for trade and economic cooperation. Commonwealth leaders issued the historic ‘Edinburgh Communique’, following a Commonwealth heads of government meeting (CHOGM), in 1997. It was a masterly and inspired document that outlined the objectives of the Commonwealth relating to increased trade and investment opportunities and also, crucially, to development issues.

The individual Commonwealth nations were, of course, left to decide which policies they should implement in order to achieve the Edinburgh objectives. The Commonwealth Business Council, which should be far better known in Britain than it is, was established in 1997 following the meeting.

The contrast between the Edinburgh Communiques flexible, bottom-up approach and the top-down, inflexible and heavily regulated directive-driven processes of the EU, a regional bloc in relative decline, could not be starker

The Commonwealth nations, taken together are an economic colossus comprising some 15 per cent of world GDP, 54 member states and two billion citizens. They will inevitably become more powerful. The Commonwealth spans five continents and contains developed, emerging and developing economies. The Commonwealth in it’s richness and diversity mirrors today’s global economy in a way that the EU simply cannot start to aspire to. It is the future, not a curious relic of empire.

Moreover, other Commonwealth countries see this when we do not, blinded as we are by our masochistic attachment to the EU and its Single Market. The attitude of Canada for example, is altogether more enlightened. “Commonwealth Advantage” is a go-ahead Canadian organisation with the objectives of creating new trade opportunities and strengthening ties with other Commonwealth nations. Commonwealth advantage sees the Commonwealth as a true economic bloc, where the commonalities of language, law, accounting systems and business regulations can present a 15 per cent cost advantage over dealing with countries that are outside the Commonwealth

And Kamal Nath, India’s Road Transport Minister and former Industry Minister, was quoted recently saying: “The Commonwealth is the ideal platform for business and trade… I hope that India’s ties with the Commonwealth will move from strength to strength, and that the new paradigm will only mean greater warmth, greater cooperation.” The “new paradigm are his words, not mine.

The framework for Britain to raise its game in the Commonwealth is already in place. The institutions exist. Our Commonwealth partners are very willing partners. But we must be free of the EU’s restraints, bureaucratic, legalistic and psychological, if we are to make best of the opportunities open to us. Making the best of these opportunities would benefit everyone in the Commonwealth

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

100% voting out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Michael Gove? .... a hard line extreme right wing totalitarian is painting himself to be some kind of freedom fighter for civil liberty against a self serving beauracracy?

is this not the ultimate irony?!

Exactly. The liberation of which he speaks is the liberation of the Tory party from EU restrictions which prevent them all out war on anyone who is not over-privileged.

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"The Economy

The Exciting New World Outside the European Union

A free trade relationship for Britain and the EU

Free to trade: the importance of the Commonwealth

Unfortunately, all wishful thinking;

The "commonwealth" is no longer of any real global importance; commonwealth nations are truly only interested, because being linked to UK it eases their path into the EU; with UK out, they will bypass UK and deal directly with the EU.

Likewise the US;

I dread to see what UK's trade will look like once it leaves the EU; " 5th largest economy"? Err right, but so far behind the EU as a whole that it will become invisible....

And will have to hang onto the coat tails of EFTA to get any leverage back into the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Michael Gove's speech today was a masterclass in hypocrisy

He spent the first half criticising the Remain campaign for scaremongering, and the second half telling us the horrific landscape of staying in and becoming prisoners to the totalitarian superstate - at one point likening it to being locked in a boot unable to get out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hello all,

at the beginning of the year, David Cameron said that unless his demands for reform of the EU are met he will recommend that we leave. No mention then of all this economic woe and disaster, ' a leap into the unknown' as he now says.

Renard, you are mistaken, EU directives are passed by our parliament as they have no option to nor any say in their formation. The EU commission have no intention of putting their ideas into any democratic process. I will say that our government, at times, enhances a directive where other EU countries blatantly disregard many of the rules, but that's not the U.K. way.

Leave, and lets regain our fishing grounds, reinstate our local abattoirs, resume dredging our rivers, all stopped in the past by the EU.

Alec

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I find myself semi-agreeing with Gove on something and there is a nasty taste in my mouth!

The ONLY thing this referendum is about is Sovereignty.

The question is do we stay in and continue to slowly seed power to Brussels or do we leave and return power to Westminster?"

I think "power" is always in the hands of someone else, it doesnt really matter if they are in the town hall, Westminster or Brussels.

There has been a lot of power handed to local authorities by this government. To those who want to leave because of the democratic deficit of the EU I would ask, can you name 3 local counsellors? They probably have more of an impact on your daily lives, and I know that I cant even name one!

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"Michael Gove? .... a hard line extreme right wing totalitarian is painting himself to be some kind of freedom fighter for civil liberty against a self serving beauracracy?

is this not the ultimate irony?!

Exactly. The liberation of which he speaks is the liberation of the Tory party from EU restrictions which prevent them all out war on anyone who is not over-privileged. "

Yes indeed. It's no accident that the government's Remain campaign barely mentions the wonderful benefits that membership of the EU brings us in terms of social protections - they want to get rid of them, after all.

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By *onny bigMan over a year ago

london harrow

"It's so funny watching this now. Verbatim agreements with the same big hitters and scare stories, mass media pushes - from the same people who were throwing them at Scotland.

Carlsberg don't make Irony...

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Hello all,

Leave, and lets regain our fishing grounds, reinstate our local abattoirs, resume dredging our rivers, all stopped in the past by the EU.

Alec "
totally untrue post .its how each eu member interprets the rules and reg ..i can tell you Spain interprets and implements them differently to the UK..lets look at fishing ground and quoters will be decided by the ministry of agriculture farming and fisheries ..an un elected body of people ..likely to be any change due to leaving nope.... due to overfishing limiting fishing catches will remain just a different body giving orders ..dredging rivers was a uk government decision to save money abattoirs closed by local authorities..not the EU ..so no real benefit to leaving

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

Leave, and lets regain our fishing grounds, reinstate our local abattoirs, resume dredging our rivers, all stopped in the past by the EU.

Alec "

Sorry but I am not mistaken:

EU directives cannot be formulated until the council of ministers ( which includes our own elected ministers) have agreed them.

They cannot be enforced in each country until that country's parliament has approved them:

Admittedly, Countries which fail to approve them can be " punished" in various ways; but the idea is that the Council of ministers will negotiate them into a form that national parliaments will approve.

In addition, many are measures which our government wants to introduce themselves; sometimes ones that they know will not be popular; often they are using the " EU forced us" excuse to shift the onus onto the EU and shift the " blame".

In addition, many directives are open to individual countries to implement and interpret in their own ways; the UK government tends to " over implement" and add onto directives .

As for abbatoirs , that was a deliberate act by UK government, which did not need to be done ( but which they did by enhancing a perfectly sensible EU regulation. Where I live, we have local abbatoirs ; just as UK used to have; and they are perfectly legal, and EU compliant, and doing well; river dredging is a UK govt decision; in fact the UK could have got funding from the EU for it, but chose not to (my local river is managed with quite a good injection of EU cash),

The U.K. Gave away it's fishing rights; and failed to exploit the EU regulations which could have boosted the UK fishing industry immensely....

It is so easy to blame the EU for everything, when actually the UK government has fucjed up badly over many years.

Same with migrant workers from the EU, and allowances; YK doesn't have to give them allowances immediately; it can demand that their country of origin supports them ( by reimbursing the UK) for awhile . That's what happens in other EU countries; you have the right to live and work over here in Europe, but you don't qualify for immediate allowances until after a certain time, and usually until you have a job and start paying the taxes and social charges here. That's how the French do it, and the Getmans; and it complies with EU regulations; but the UK could do the same, but doesn't, for some reason, saying " the nasty EU makes us do it!" Bollocks .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

So!!!

from what I read, we will never make it on our own without the EU

The UK will dwindle and die away as a lost cause if everyone votes to leave

omg; I never realised the UK was inferior to all these non EU countries listed below who manage fine outwith the EU

AFGHANISTAN

ALBANIA

ALGERIA

AMERICAN SAMOA

ANDORRA

ANGOLA

ANGUILLA

ANTARCTICA

ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA

ARGENTINA

ARMENIA

ARUBA

AUSTRALIA

AZERBAIJAN

BAHAMAS

BAHRAIN

BANGLADESH

BARBADOS

BELARUS

BELIZE

BENIN

BERMUDA

BHUTAN

BOLIVIA

BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA

BOTSWANA

BOUVET ISLAND

BRAZIL

BRITISH INDIAN OCEAN TERRITORY

BRUNEI DARUSSALAM

BURKINA FASO

BURUNDI

CAMBODIA

CAMEROON

CANADA

CAPE VERDE

CAYMAN ISLANDS

CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC

CEUTA

CHAD

LATIN AMERICA

CHINA

CHRISTMAS ISLAND

COCOS (KEELING) ISLANDS

COLOMBIA

COMOROS

CONGO

COOK ISLANDS

COSTA RICA

COTE D'IVOIRE

CUBA

DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO

DJIBOUTI

DOMINICA

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

ECUADOR

EGYPT

EL SALVADOR

EQUATORIAL GUINEA

ERITREA

ETHIOPIA

FALKLAND ISLANDS

FAROE ISLANDS

FIJI

FRENCH POLYNESIA

FRENCH SOUTHERN AND ANTARCTIC LANDS

GABON

GAMBIA

GEORGIA

GHANA

GIBRALTAR

GREENLAND

GRENADA

GUAM

GUATEMALA

GUINEA

GUINEA-BISSAU

GUYANA

HAITI

HEARD AND MC DONALD ISLANDS

HONDURAS

HONG KONG

ICELAND

INDIA

INDONESIA

IRAN

IRAQ

ISRAEL

JAMAICA

JAPAN

JORDAN

KAZAKHSTAN

KENYA

KIRIBATI

KOREA, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF (NORTH)

KOREA, REPUBLIC OF (SOUTH)

KOSOVO*

KUWAIT

KYRGYZSTAN

LAOS

LEBANON

LESOTHO

LIBERIA

LIBYA

LIECHTENSTEIN

MACAU

MACEDONIA (THE FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF)

MADAGASCAR

MALAWI

MALAYSIA

MALDIVES

MALI

MARSHALL ISLANDS (THE REPUBLIC OF)

MAURITANIA

MAURITIUS

MELILLA

CEUTA AND MELILLA

MEXICO

LATIN AMERICA

MICRONESIA (FEDERATED STATES OF)

MOLDOVA (THE REPUBLIC OF)

MONGOLIA

MONTENEGRO

MONTSERRAT

MOROCCO

MOZAMBIQUE

MYANMAR

NAMIBIA

NAURU

NEPAL

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

NEW CALEDONIA

NEW ZEALAND

NICARAGUA

NIGER

NIGERIA

NIUE

NORFOLK ISLAND

NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS

NORWAY

PALESTINE**

OMAN

PAKISTAN

PALAU

PANAMA

PAPUA NEW GUINEA

PARAGUAY

PERU

PHILIPPINES

PITCAIRN ISLANDS

QATAR

RUSSIAN FEDERATION

RWANDA

SAINT BARTHELEMY

SAINT HELENA (INCL ASCENSION ISLAND AND TRISTAN DE CUNHA)

SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS

SAINT LUCIA

SAINT PIERRE AND MIQUELON

SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES

SAMOA

SAN MARINO

SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE

SAUDI ARABIA

SENEGAL

SERBIA

SEYCHELLES

SIERRA LEONE

SINGAPORE

SOLOMON ISLANDS

SOMALIA

SOUTH AFRICA

SOUTH GEORGIA AND THE SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS

SOUTH SUDAN

SRI LANKA

SUDAN

SURINAME

SWAZILAND

SWITZERLAND

SYRIA

TAIWAN

TAJIKISTAN

TANZANIA

THAILAND

TIMOR LESTE

TOGO

TOKELAU

TONGA

TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO

TUNISIA

TURKEY

TURKMENISTAN

TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS

TUVALU

UGANDA

UKRAINE

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES

UNITED STATES

UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS

URUGUAY

UZBEKISTAN

VANUATU

VATICAN CITY STATE (HOLY SEE)

VENEZUELA

VIETNAM

VIRGIN ISLANDS (BRITISH)

VIRGIN ISLANDS (U.S.)

WALLIS AND FUTUNA ISLANDS

YEMEN

ZAMBIA

ZIMBABWE

if you want to comment on this, just say it without copying the whole subject

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

lets go through the list ...

Afghanistan .... soooo, afghanistan is doing fine is it?

seems pointless to continue reading your further examples if you grasp of international affairs is so weak.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"lets go through the list ...

Afghanistan .... soooo, afghanistan is doing fine is it?

seems pointless to continue reading your further examples if you grasp of international affairs is so weak."
totally agree his grasp of who is doing well in his list of countries must surely be limited ...many are third world ...does he wish us to join that group?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants."

We need a strong UK government to protect our boarders in or out of the EU ....NOT the French

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants.

We need a strong UK government to protect our boarders in or out of the EU ....NOT the French "
borders I know before the spelling Nazis crawl out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP contrary to what you might think. Debates aren't won by the person who can write the longest list.

Chill out with the lists.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants.

We need a strong UK government to protect our boarders in or out of the EU ....NOT the French borders I know before the spelling Nazis crawl out "
That is right, the gov needs to toughen up, they could get some tips from the slavic countries on how they do it. Cos they are the only countries in the eu with no problems.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"lets go through the list ...

Afghanistan .... soooo, afghanistan is doing fine is it?

seems pointless to continue reading your further examples if you grasp of international affairs is so weak."

Perhaps you have not worked out the above was a full list of non EU countries

now you can then pick and choose from the list, obviously you chose not to look at the countries doing well for themselves and base the UK on Afghanistan,

In saying that, look at how many large countries tried to tame Afghanistan and failed

best you stay safe all wrapped up inside the EU

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

ask yourself a question.....has the eu done much for us ,we keep being told its getting better but in last 20 yrs seems worse......could leaving be any worse???

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By *ustcutieWoman over a year ago

edinburgh

Well at least this thread proves the op can copy and paste

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"ask yourself a question.....has the eu done much for us ,we keep being told its getting better but in last 20 yrs seems worse......could leaving be any worse???"

absolutely not, especially when you work for an American Oil Company

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% voting out. "
Me too....and everyone i know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% voting out. Me too....and everyone i know."

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants."

I didn't realise they did, i thought they just looked the other way, shrugging their shoulders and saying piff paff puff (in a french accent), whilst huge migrant camps spring up around them.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I find myself semi-agreeing with Gove on something and there is a nasty taste in my mouth!

The ONLY thing this referendum is about is Sovereignty.

The question is do we stay in and continue to slowly seed power to Brussels or do we leave and return power to Westminster?"

Leave and regain our sovereignty, free ourselves from the restrictive shackles of the EU. Vote for something positive on June 23rd. Vote for freedom and democracy.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It would also mean france wont protect the borders from calais, so expect a influx of migrants."

Sorry shag but that's just scaremongering rubbish from the remainians. The border controls between Britain and France has nothing to do with the EU it is a bilateral agreement called the treaty of Le Touquet. The French interior minister said their are no plans to scrap the Treaty of Le Touquet in the event Britain leaves the EU. Even if they did all we would have to do is tell the cross channel ferry companies and the Euro tunnel trains to thoroughly check anyone wanting to come here has the proper papers and documentation. If they don't then they don't get to board the ferry and they don't board the train. It is very simple and if we impose fines on the companies for each illegal immigrant they allow over you can bet your bottom dollar the checks will be thoroughly done so the companies don't lose profits through fines. Lastly any illegal immigrants arriving here we can simply send them back to France if we deem France to be a safe country it is perfectly legal under the Geneva convention according to head of the EU Jean Claude Juncker (at least that is what he effectively said when the deal was reached between The EU and Turkey on returning migrants from Greece to Turkey).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Side line. It's not doing Ireland any harm at all..

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies.

However I would prefer to live under a Corbyn Labour administration than a Tory Brussels puppet.

At least in five years we can vote in or out any government we don't like, but the EU commission we've got forever. No vote, no democracy.

I fully understand that to a certain extent it is a bit of a leap in the dark but so is voting to remain.

Who knows what the EU will morph into in the next few years/decades? In the 70's it was a "common market" In the 80's it was the EEC. Then the EU.

So what next? I think it is only a matter of time before it is a full blown united states of Europe.

Is that what you really want? Britain (or any other EU country for that matter) ruled by an unelected president with executive powers?

It certainly isn't what I want for myself my kids and my grandkids.

The EU machine has to be stopped for the benefit of every one in Europe and if the Brexit is the first domino to fall then bring it on.

The EU must be destroyed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% voting out. Me too....and everyone i know.

same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OK. I think most one here know that I'm a Tory (and very proud to be one), albeit with UKIP sympathies.