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"So you all post your leaflets back which causes cost, confusion and delays in a post room somewhere. And this upsets DC how exactly? FFS! "  | |||
"Euro is a load of shit. Companies can get better deals out of it as brussels won't be needing their cut of what's sold. Also the main one of paying eu in excess of 30million a day just to be told how we can spend our own money. Charity to other countries can be stopped and put into nhs get that back on its feet. Cameron only want in as it lines his pocket more. Out for me if you hadn't already guessed haha" Is this a sneak peak of the official Leave campaign leaflet?  | |||
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"Euro is a load of shit. Companies can get better deals out of it as brussels won't be needing their cut of what's sold. Also the main one of paying eu in excess of 30million a day just to be told how we can spend our own money. Charity to other countries can be stopped and put into nhs get that back on its feet. Cameron only want in as it lines his pocket more. Out for me if you hadn't already guessed haha Is this a sneak peak of the official Leave campaign leaflet? "If it is it will be called the common sense leaflet. | |||
"Euro is a load of shit. Companies can get better deals out of it as brussels won't be needing their cut of what's sold. Also the main one of paying eu in excess of 30million a day just to be told how we can spend our own money. Charity to other countries can be stopped and put into nhs get that back on its feet. Cameron only want in as it lines his pocket more. Out for me if you hadn't already guessed haha Is this a sneak peak of the official Leave campaign leaflet?
If it is it will be called the common sense leaflet."Why is it that people who espouse 'common sense' never seem to want to think very hard about things? It can't just be coincidence? | |||
"Euro is a load of shit. Companies can get better deals out of it as brussels won't be needing their cut of what's sold. Also the main one of paying eu in excess of 30million a day just to be told how we can spend our own money. Charity to other countries can be stopped and put into nhs get that back on its feet. Cameron only want in as it lines his pocket more. Out for me if you hadn't already guessed haha Is this a sneak peak of the official Leave campaign leaflet?
If it is it will be called the common sense leaflet.
Why is it that people who espouse 'common sense' never seem to want to think very hard about things? It can't just be coincidence?"It's one of those what does the eu actually bring to the table other than a bank account we need to fund and stupid laws that we need to follow. Country's that fucked at minute we house migrants but leave our own on the streets. We allow free medical care for any fucker who wants it yet we have to pay? The list goes on, we've a strong currency that other country's can trust be stupid to stay in the eu | |||
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"Euro is a load of shit. Companies can get better deals out of it as brussels won't be needing their cut of what's sold. Also the main one of paying eu in excess of 30million a day just to be told how we can spend our own money. Charity to other countries can be stopped and put into nhs get that back on its feet. Cameron only want in as it lines his pocket more. Out for me if you hadn't already guessed haha Is this a sneak peak of the official Leave campaign leaflet?
If it is it will be called the common sense leaflet.
Why is it that people who espouse 'common sense' never seem to want to think very hard about things? It can't just be coincidence?
It's one of those what does the eu actually bring to the table other than a bank account we need to fund and stupid laws that we need to follow. Country's that fucked at minute we house migrants but leave our own on the streets. We allow free medical care for any fucker who wants it yet we have to pay? The list goes on, we've a strong currency that other country's can trust be stupid to stay in the eu"When you say 'the list goes on', do you mean 'the list of things that aren't true' goes on? Because none of what you've written there is true. | |||
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"Everyone must send their leaflet back to Westminster, okay it may cost you a stamp but it will cause severe havoc in their mailing office "Did you know that there is a Freepost address for the conservative party. Won't even cost you the price of a stamp | |||
" Did you know that there is a Freepost address for the conservative party. Won't even cost you the price of a stamp "That's right. It will just cost the Conservative party. in fact, it will cost them a huge chunk of their admin budget. Hang on a minute, who funds for the govt and opposition admin budget Oh yeah, the taxpayer. | |||
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"I find that all people seam to do is contradict each other all the time, one said white the other said black and it is hard to find the true picture but I think you have to go with your gut on this, for me it's out. Immigration is only a very small part of it for me, it's the control that the EU seams to want over this country that I don't like." norway's not in but because the wish to trade with look at what they pay in and also they adopt many eu directives ..dont vote out until you know the alternative.. | |||
"I find that all people seam to do is contradict each other all the time, one said white the other said black and it is hard to find the true picture but I think you have to go with your gut on this, for me it's out. Immigration is only a very small part of it for me, it's the control that the EU seams to want over this country that I don't like." norway's not in but because the wish to trade with the eu look at what they pay in and also they adopt many eu directives ..dont vote out until you know the alternative.. | |||
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"I find that all people seam to do is contradict each other all the time, one said white the other said black and it is hard to find the true picture but I think you have to go with your gut on this, for me it's out. Immigration is only a very small part of it for me, it's the control that the EU seams to want over this country that I don't like.norway's not in but because the wish to trade with look at what they pay in and also they adopt many eu directives ..dont vote out until you know the alternative.." I know we will have to follow EU rules same as you do with every other country outside the EU you wish to work with, but they don't play with our laws. As for Norway well they paid 447 million euro last year to work with the EU, we paid £12.9 billion. I'll let you work out which is the better pay scale | |||
"Control of our own waters money to get a navy back. We was once a country that ruled most land and now we are bring ruled. " Rule Britannia! | |||
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"I haven't gotten my leaflet. "You can have mine  | |||
"I find that all people seam to do is contradict each other all the time, one said white the other said black and it is hard to find the true picture but I think you have to go with your gut on this, for me it's out. Immigration is only a very small part of it for me, it's the control that the EU seams to want over this country that I don't like.norway's not in but because the wish to trade with the eu look at what they pay in and also they adopt many eu directives ..dont vote out until you know the alternative.." We cant know the alternative until we leave, why should countries we trade with now stop trading with us just because we leave the EU they will still want and need our goods and products. | |||
"I find that all people seam to do is contradict each other all the time, one said white the other said black and it is hard to find the true picture but I think you have to go with your gut on this, for me it's out. Immigration is only a very small part of it for me, it's the control that the EU seams to want over this country that I don't like.norway's not in but because the wish to trade with the eu look at what they pay in and also they adopt many eu directives ..dont vote out until you know the alternative.. We cant know the alternative until we leave, why should countries we trade with now stop trading with us just because we leave the EU they will still want and need our goods and products. " | |||
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"I haven't gotten my leaflet.
You can have mine " | |||
" As for Norway well they paid 447 million euro last year to work with the EU, we paid £12.9 billion. I'll let you work out which is the better pay scale " This absolutely perfectly sums up the problem. You have simply not thought about it. Of £12.9 billion we get a around £6b back. And £.9b is foreign aid we have agreed to pry regardless of EU membership so we actually pay £6b Norway pays £447 million, a thirteenth of what we do. Norways population is 5 million. Which, surprise surprise, is a thirteenth of the U.K. Population! Per head, they pay the same to the EU that we do and are not even members. | |||
" Per head, they pay the same to the EU that we do and are not even members. " And Noway has full control of its own borders. And an immigrant population of %13.8. The U.K. Immigrant population is 11.3. | |||
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" As for Norway well they paid 447 million euro last year to work with the EU, we paid £12.9 billion. I'll let you work out which is the better pay scale This absolutely perfectly sums up the problem. You have simply not thought about it. Of £12.9 billion we get a around £6b back. And £.9b is foreign aid we have agreed to pry regardless of EU membership so we actually pay £6b Norway pays £447 million, a thirteenth of what we do. Norways population is 5 million. Which, surprise surprise, is a thirteenth of the U.K. Population! Per head, they pay the same to the EU that we do and are not even members. " No not right, see this is what I said about going around and around everyone has there own facts but who's is right??? Anyway my fact say the 12.9 billion is the figure after the £6b rebate is removed. Not sure what the population of Norway has to do with it as I am sure there payment is not worked out per head | |||
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"So you all post your leaflets back which causes cost, confusion and delays in a post room somewhere. And this upsets DC how exactly? FFS! " Could someone explain how sending things through the post causes 'cost, confusion and delays'? The Post Office will make a profit on the the deal through sale of stamps and it's their job to sort and deliver post. It's what they do!!! | |||
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"So you all post your leaflets back which causes cost, confusion and delays in a post room somewhere. And this upsets DC how exactly? FFS! Could someone explain how sending things through the post causes 'cost, confusion and delays'? The Post Office will make a profit on the the deal through sale of stamps and it's their job to sort and deliver post. It's what they do!!! "Cos they're all dribblers in the sorting room. | |||
"I just want an unbiased arguement for each side, I can't find one so I'm even more confused...I have a meet on Friday with a really intelligent guy so I'll ask him "You won't really find one. Just read as many articles as you can until something hits home and sways you either way. | |||
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"If these threads are anything to go by. The fabswigers forum should be running the country, everyone seems to be an economical expert "It's not THAT hard to follow if you're interested. | |||
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"My family and I have absolutely no intention of reading this scaremongering drivel. It is an outrage against fair play. After all it is all conjecture without any substance. Bin it I would suggest. We won't be a safe and prosperous Great Britain until we leave this unelected group of bureaucrats. Brexit - bring it on I say." How come you don't think the possible changes upon exiting the EU are conjecture too? | |||
"If these threads are anything to go by. The fabswigers forum should be running the country, everyone seems to be an economical expert
It's not THAT hard to follow if you're interested. "I do follow it and my opinion on it is set. but the same people saying the same things over and over gets rather tedious. | |||
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" No not right, see this is what I said about going around and around everyone has there own facts but who's is right??? Anyway my fact say the 12.9 billion is the figure after the £6b rebate is removed. Not sure what the population of Norway has to do with it as I am sure there payment is not worked out per head " Sorry, your still incorrect. Yes the 12.9 is after the rebate, but I'm not talking about rebate. We then get £6bn back in subsidies. Then remove foreign aid we have committed to anyway and the net cost is £6bn. That's a simple fact. And how can the size of a country not have a bearing on how much it pays???? You can't compare what a country one thirteenth the size of the U.K. pays unless you work it out per head. You must know that. | |||
"My family and I have absolutely no intention of reading this scaremongering drivel. It is an outrage against fair play. After all it is all conjecture without any substance. Bin it I would suggest. We won't be a safe and prosperous Great Britain until we leave this unelected group of bureaucrats. Brexit - bring it on I say." | |||
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" As for Norway well they paid 447 million euro last year to work with the EU, we paid £12.9 billion. I'll let you work out which is the better pay scale This absolutely perfectly sums up the problem. You have simply not thought about it. Of £12.9 billion we get a around £6b back. And £.9b is foreign aid we have agreed to pry regardless of EU membership so we actually pay £6b Norway pays £447 million, a thirteenth of what we do. Norways population is 5 million. Which, surprise surprise, is a thirteenth of the U.K. Population! Per head, they pay the same to the EU that we do and are not even members. No not right, see this is what I said about going around and around everyone has there own facts but who's is right??? Anyway my fact say the 12.9 billion is the figure after the £6b rebate is removed. Not sure what the population of Norway has to do with it as I am sure there payment is not worked out per head " look into norways position more closely..the figure you state is not the total figure they pay its way more than that and way more confusing working it out... they pay for many different part of the EU budget they also have no say in the European Parliament...my point was it wont be the free ride in the EU as the brexit campaigners would have you believe nor will it be as simple as were out .there will be many years if negotiations after we leave ... | |||
"I find that all people seam to do is contradict each other all the time, one said white the other said black and it is hard to find the true picture but I think you have to go with your gut on this, for me it's out. Immigration is only a very small part of it for me, it's the control that the EU seams to want over this country that I don't like.norway's not in but because the wish to trade with look at what they pay in and also they adopt many eu directives ..dont vote out until you know the alternative.." Norway is not the alternative though, we won't be adopting a Norway model if we leave, it won't be a Swiss model either, we will have our own unique British deal. | |||
"Can't I just close my eyes on the voting slip and pick one? "No | |||
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"Can't I just close my eyes on the voting slip and pick one?
No "But I'm not listening to some of you lot as it seems all so biased...I'm going to do my own reading and decide from there. I've never been interested in politics I guess I have lived in my own bubble for the past 36 years  | |||
"Why are people reluctant to read the pamphlet and possibly learn? They're like the kids at school who insist it's uncool to succeed." I did read it, it was not full of facts as Cameron claimed, just a load of unconvincing opinion, predictions and supposition. Also a lot of photographs of random stuff, did the government really just use £9 million of taxpayers money to send us photographs? Lol. | |||
" No not right, see this is what I said about going around and around everyone has there own facts but who's is right??? Anyway my fact say the 12.9 billion is the figure after the £6b rebate is removed. Not sure what the population of Norway has to do with it as I am sure there payment is not worked out per head Sorry, your still incorrect. Yes the 12.9 is after the rebate, but I'm not talking about rebate. We then get £6bn back in subsidies. Then remove foreign aid we have committed to anyway and the net cost is £6bn. That's a simple fact. And how can the size of a country not have a bearing on how much it pays???? You can't compare what a country one thirteenth the size of the U.K. pays unless you work it out per head. You must know that. " Well to be honest I don't, having looked at the Norway deal I can't see anywhere it said this figure was arrived at by population of the country and that is the one big problem we will have is working out new trade deals with the EU but I feel that it wont be costing us anywhere close to £6b and that's going on your figure of £6b. It's a gamble maybe but one I think we have to take. | |||
"Can't I just close my eyes on the voting slip and pick one? "You can as long as you've registered to vote! | |||
"Can't I just close my eyes on the voting slip and pick one?
You can as long as you've registered to vote!
"I am, I have got that far with life | |||
" No not right, see this is what I said about going around and around everyone has there own facts but who's is right??? Anyway my fact say the 12.9 billion is the figure after the £6b rebate is removed. Not sure what the population of Norway has to do with it as I am sure there payment is not worked out per head Sorry, your still incorrect. Yes the 12.9 is after the rebate, but I'm not talking about rebate. We then get £6bn back in subsidies. Then remove foreign aid we have committed to anyway and the net cost is £6bn. That's a simple fact. And how can the size of a country not have a bearing on how much it pays???? You can't compare what a country one thirteenth the size of the U.K. pays unless you work it out per head. You must know that. Well to be honest I don't, having looked at the Norway deal I can't see anywhere it said this figure was arrived at by population of the country and that is the one big problem we will have is working out new trade deals with the EU but I feel that it wont be costing us anywhere close to £6b and that's going on your figure of £6b. It's a gamble maybe but one I think we have to take. " the problem is neither side will say what route the UK should pursue take if we leave ..what stance will be taken on immigration or emigration....and would you trust the UK government enough to get a good deal for us if we leave ? With so many unanswered questions how can people vote to leave | |||
"Can't I just close my eyes on the voting slip and pick one?
No
But I'm not listening to some of you lot as it seems all so biased...I'm going to do my own reading and decide from there. I've never been interested in politics I guess I have lived in my own bubble for the past 36 years "Nothing wrong with bubbles until they burst | |||
" No not right, see this is what I said about going around and around everyone has there own facts but who's is right??? Anyway my fact say the 12.9 billion is the figure after the £6b rebate is removed. Not sure what the population of Norway has to do with it as I am sure there payment is not worked out per head Sorry, your still incorrect. Yes the 12.9 is after the rebate, but I'm not talking about rebate. We then get £6bn back in subsidies. Then remove foreign aid we have committed to anyway and the net cost is £6bn. That's a simple fact. And how can the size of a country not have a bearing on how much it pays???? You can't compare what a country one thirteenth the size of the U.K. pays unless you work it out per head. You must know that. Well to be honest I don't, having looked at the Norway deal I can't see anywhere it said this figure was arrived at by population of the country and that is the one big problem we will have is working out new trade deals with the EU but I feel that it wont be costing us anywhere close to £6b and that's going on your figure of £6b. It's a gamble maybe but one I think we have to take. the problem is neither side will say what route the UK should pursue take if we leave ..what stance will be taken on immigration or emigration....and would you trust the UK government enough to get a good deal for us if we leave ? With so many unanswered questions how can people vote to leave " I do agree with you no that, no one know because I don't remember anyone leaving before but do you stay with something I don't agree with just to be on the safe side. I think we have to take that chance | |||
"The one thing many people don't seem to be talking about is, what sort of effect would a "Stay" vote have? I believe it would be a green light to the EU to plough ahead with more political, financial and beauracratic integration, which would mean less say for us in everything. I'm out." A vote to remain is not a vote to keep the status quo, the EU is constantly changing and not always for the better. The euro zone is stagnating if it goes into another recession increased numbers of EU migrants will come here looking for jobs which will put our public services under an even greater strain than they already are now. If Turkey, Bosnia and other countries who are currently applying for EU membership are allowed in that means tens of millions more people will get EU passports and will have the right to come here under the EU free movement of people rule. For the eurozone to work it will need greater integration going forward, as the euro countries integrate more and we keep the pound sterling we will be left out on the fringes with no influence in what they do yet they will still have a say in how we are governed, better to leave and take back 100% control of our own affairs and let the eurozone get on with it. Not only closer monetary union the EU wants ever closer political union, this will lead to a united states of Europe in the future with an EU army and an EU foreign policy, something I would rather not be a part of thanks. | |||
" and that's going on your figure of £6b. It's a gamble maybe but one I think we have to take. " But it's not my figure of £6bn. That's just an absolute and indisputable fact. And that's where my dilemma comes from. My heart wants to vote out but my head says that when the Brexit campaign has, at its core, such a glaring piece of misinformation that I just can't trust anything the campaign says. | |||
"The one thing many people don't seem to be talking about is, what sort of effect would a "Stay" vote have? I believe it would be a green light to the EU to plough ahead with more political, financial and beauracratic integration, which would mean less say for us in everything. I'm out. A vote to remain is not a vote to keep the status quo, the EU is constantly changing and not always for the better. The euro zone is stagnating if it goes into another recession increased numbers of EU migrants will come here looking for jobs which will put our public services under an even greater strain than they already are now. If Turkey, Bosnia and other countries who are currently applying for EU membership are allowed in that means tens of millions more people will get EU passports and will have the right to come here under the EU free movement of people rule. For the eurozone to work it will need greater integration going forward, as the euro countries integrate more and we keep the pound sterling we will be left out on the fringes with no influence in what they do yet they will still have a say in how we are governed, better to leave and take back 100% control of our own affairs and let the eurozone get on with it. Not only closer monetary union the EU wants ever closer political union, this will lead to a united states of Europe in the future with an EU army and an EU foreign policy, something I would rather not be a part of thanks. " you are being misled if you think by leaving we will have 100% control of the UK ..anyway its the government who will have control and has there been any government you have fully trusted in the last 30yrs .. | |||
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"The one thing many people don't seem to be talking about is, what sort of effect would a "Stay" vote have? I believe it would be a green light to the EU to plough ahead with more political, financial and beauracratic integration, which would mean less say for us in everything. I'm out. A vote to remain is not a vote to keep the status quo, the EU is constantly changing and not always for the better. The euro zone is stagnating if it goes into another recession increased numbers of EU migrants will come here looking for jobs which will put our public services under an even greater strain than they already are now. If Turkey, Bosnia and other countries who are currently applying for EU membership are allowed in that means tens of millions more people will get EU passports and will have the right to come here under the EU free movement of people rule. For the eurozone to work it will need greater integration going forward, as the euro countries integrate more and we keep the pound sterling we will be left out on the fringes with no influence in what they do yet they will still have a say in how we are governed, better to leave and take back 100% control of our own affairs and let the eurozone get on with it. Not only closer monetary union the EU wants ever closer political union, this will lead to a united states of Europe in the future with an EU army and an EU foreign policy, something I would rather not be a part of thanks. you are being misled if you think by leaving we will have 100% control of the UK ..anyway its the government who will have control and has there been any government you have fully trusted in the last 30yrs .. " That is the whole point in living under a democracy though isn't it, if you don't like the government you can get rid of them by voting for someone else at the next election. We can't get rid of the EU commission, they are unelected and unaccountable. Tony Benn summed it up very well when he said "if you can't get rid of the people that govern you then you are not living in a real democracy". | |||
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"The one thing many people don't seem to be talking about is, what sort of effect would a "Stay" vote have? I believe it would be a green light to the EU to plough ahead with more political, financial and beauracratic integration, which would mean less say for us in everything. I'm out. A vote to remain is not a vote to keep the status quo, the EU is constantly changing and not always for the better. The euro zone is stagnating if it goes into another recession increased numbers of EU migrants will come here looking for jobs which will put our public services under an even greater strain than they already are now. If Turkey, Bosnia and other countries who are currently applying for EU membership are allowed in that means tens of millions more people will get EU passports and will have the right to come here under the EU free movement of people rule. For the eurozone to work it will need greater integration going forward, as the euro countries integrate more and we keep the pound sterling we will be left out on the fringes with no influence in what they do yet they will still have a say in how we are governed, better to leave and take back 100% control of our own affairs and let the eurozone get on with it. Not only closer monetary union the EU wants ever closer political union, this will lead to a united states of Europe in the future with an EU army and an EU foreign policy, something I would rather not be a part of thanks. you are being misled if you think by leaving we will have 100% control of the UK ..anyway its the government who will have control and has there been any government you have fully trusted in the last 30yrs .. That is the whole point in living under a democracy though isn't it, if you don't like the government you can get rid of them by voting for someone else at the next election. We can't get rid of the EU commission, they are unelected and unaccountable. Tony Benn summed it up very well when he said "if you can't get rid of the people that govern you then you are not living in a real democracy". " mm the house of lords who help govern the UK blows your argument right out of the water ..the European commission consisting of 1 person for every member state changes every 5 yrs .and the European parliament votes for the president ..so is democratic | |||
"Can't I just close my eyes on the voting slip and pick one?
No
But I'm not listening to some of you lot as it seems all so biased...I'm going to do my own reading and decide from there. I've never been interested in politics I guess I have lived in my own bubble for the past 36 years
Nothing wrong with bubbles until they burst "Well I will make that choice and not listen to what is posted on here | |||
"Ours is going back to Cameron." And you'll paying for it to do so. I'll bet he'll be well annoyed opening all that mail over his cornflakes. Not. | |||
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"Can't I just close my eyes on the voting slip and pick one?
No
But I'm not listening to some of you lot as it seems all so biased...I'm going to do my own reading and decide from there. I've never been interested in politics I guess I have lived in my own bubble for the past 36 years
Nothing wrong with bubbles until they burst
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"The one thing many people don't seem to be talking about is, what sort of effect would a "Stay" vote have? I believe it would be a green light to the EU to plough ahead with more political, financial and beauracratic integration, which would mean less say for us in everything. I'm out. A vote to remain is not a vote to keep the status quo, the EU is constantly changing and not always for the better. The euro zone is stagnating if it goes into another recession increased numbers of EU migrants will come here looking for jobs which will put our public services under an even greater strain than they already are now. If Turkey, Bosnia and other countries who are currently applying for EU membership are allowed in that means tens of millions more people will get EU passports and will have the right to come here under the EU free movement of people rule. For the eurozone to work it will need greater integration going forward, as the euro countries integrate more and we keep the pound sterling we will be left out on the fringes with no influence in what they do yet they will still have a say in how we are governed, better to leave and take back 100% control of our own affairs and let the eurozone get on with it. Not only closer monetary union the EU wants ever closer political union, this will lead to a united states of Europe in the future with an EU army and an EU foreign policy, something I would rather not be a part of thanks. you are being misled if you think by leaving we will have 100% control of the UK ..anyway its the government who will have control and has there been any government you have fully trusted in the last 30yrs .. That is the whole point in living under a democracy though isn't it, if you don't like the government you can get rid of them by voting for someone else at the next election. We can't get rid of the EU commission, they are unelected and unaccountable. Tony Benn summed it up very well when he said "if you can't get rid of the people that govern you then you are not living in a real democracy". mm the house of lords who help govern the UK blows your argument right out of the water ..the European commission consisting of 1 person for every member state changes every 5 yrs .and the European parliament votes for the president ..so is democratic " Tell us all how many times has the house of Lords overruled the House of Commons then? | |||
"The one thing many people don't seem to be talking about is, what sort of effect would a "Stay" vote have? I believe it would be a green light to the EU to plough ahead with more political, financial and beauracratic integration, which would mean less say for us in everything. I'm out. A vote to remain is not a vote to keep the status quo, the EU is constantly changing and not always for the better. The euro zone is stagnating if it goes into another recession increased numbers of EU migrants will come here looking for jobs which will put our public services under an even greater strain than they already are now. If Turkey, Bosnia and other countries who are currently applying for EU membership are allowed in that means tens of millions more people will get EU passports and will have the right to come here under the EU free movement of people rule. For the eurozone to work it will need greater integration going forward, as the euro countries integrate more and we keep the pound sterling we will be left out on the fringes with no influence in what they do yet they will still have a say in how we are governed, better to leave and take back 100% control of our own affairs and let the eurozone get on with it. Not only closer monetary union the EU wants ever closer political union, this will lead to a united states of Europe in the future with an EU army and an EU foreign policy, something I would rather not be a part of thanks. you are being misled if you think by leaving we will have 100% control of the UK ..anyway its the government who will have control and has there been any government you have fully trusted in the last 30yrs .. That is the whole point in living under a democracy though isn't it, if you don't like the government you can get rid of them by voting for someone else at the next election. We can't get rid of the EU commission, they are unelected and unaccountable. Tony Benn summed it up very well when he said "if you can't get rid of the people that govern you then you are not living in a real democracy". mm the house of lords who help govern the UK blows your argument right out of the water ..the European commission consisting of 1 person for every member state changes every 5 yrs .and the European parliament votes for the president ..so is democratic Tell us all how many times has the house of Lords overruled the House of Commons then? " at least 4 times during the last parliament bills were sent back to the house of commons for amendments ..also bills are amended before going to the house of lords .because negotiations have taken place between the two houses ..so house of lords undemocratic .. | |||
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"the problem for the eu is this ...if the uk go.....so will others and eu no more....heaven.....lets stand alone and make our own rules ,let the right people come here and look after our own...ie our kids our oaps our health service.....plus give -uck all abroad...make Britain great again ....plus when we vote out ...slimeball posh boy Cameron and George p45 time" What do you mean "our" own I don't get that saying at all? Do you mean those with British passports? | |||
"The one thing many people don't seem to be talking about is, what sort of effect would a "Stay" vote have? I believe it would be a green light to the EU to plough ahead with more political, financial and beauracratic integration, which would mean less say for us in everything. I'm out. A vote to remain is not a vote to keep the status quo, the EU is constantly changing and not always for the better. The euro zone is stagnating if it goes into another recession increased numbers of EU migrants will come here looking for jobs which will put our public services under an even greater strain than they already are now. If Turkey, Bosnia and other countries who are currently applying for EU membership are allowed in that means tens of millions more people will get EU passports and will have the right to come here under the EU free movement of people rule. For the eurozone to work it will need greater integration going forward, as the euro countries integrate more and we keep the pound sterling we will be left out on the fringes with no influence in what they do yet they will still have a say in how we are governed, better to leave and take back 100% control of our own affairs and let the eurozone get on with it. Not only closer monetary union the EU wants ever closer political union, this will lead to a united states of Europe in the future with an EU army and an EU foreign policy, something I would rather not be a part of thanks. you are being misled if you think by leaving we will have 100% control of the UK ..anyway its the government who will have control and has there been any government you have fully trusted in the last 30yrs .. That is the whole point in living under a democracy though isn't it, if you don't like the government you can get rid of them by voting for someone else at the next election. We can't get rid of the EU commission, they are unelected and unaccountable. Tony Benn summed it up very well when he said "if you can't get rid of the people that govern you then you are not living in a real democracy". mm the house of lords who help govern the UK blows your argument right out of the water ..the European commission consisting of 1 person for every member state changes every 5 yrs .and the European parliament votes for the president ..so is democratic Tell us all how many times has the house of Lords overruled the House of Commons then? at least 4 times during the last parliament bills were sent back to the house of commons for amendments ..also bills are amended before going to the house of lords .because negotiations have taken place between the two houses ..so house of lords undemocratic .. " | |||
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"Was told recently more intergration is coming including welfare and pensions . Does that mean we can retire at an earlier age as europe does? Will threre be a eaqual share of pension fund? If we stay we will pay more but if we leave we will pay more 50 50 odds " We thought the same because at present Britain as the oldest pensionable age whereas most in Europe retire at 60, do we opt for a country who don't give a shit about its elderly or stick or stay in the EU who can still fight for our rights...no brainer really. | |||
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"Whether to leave or remain in the EU is as much about how you feel in your heart as in your head. It seems to me that the EU is benignly incompetent and is far more about securing the global aspirations of mega corporations as all of the rules and regs are heavily skewed in favour of big business and away from the 'small' business person. I certainly do not recognise the EU as an organisation designed to favour or protect the 'small' person such as pensioners or people needing to heavily rely upon the NHS, if it did have those goals in mind it quite simply would not be tolerating mass immigration which is placing intolerable strain on social benefits such as healthcare, pensions and education. All that unfettered immigration creates is a limited economic growth bubble but sacrifices western culture and values along the way. The paradox in the remain argument which hides behind social welfare as the reason to stay is that the whole reason underpinning the EU is one of creating and furthering globalisation, homogenising everyone into a brand dependent populace without choice or democratic input. I am left with only one logical course of action and that is to vote leave for a safer more secure and ultimately more democratic future." Well said | |||
"Whether to leave or remain in the EU is as much about how you feel in your heart as in your head. It seems to me that the EU is benignly incompetent and is far more about securing the global aspirations of mega corporations as all of the rules and regs are heavily skewed in favour of big business and away from the 'small' business person. I certainly do not recognise the EU as an organisation designed to favour or protect the 'small' person such as pensioners or people needing to heavily rely upon the NHS, if it did have those goals in mind it quite simply would not be tolerating mass immigration which is placing intolerable strain on social benefits such as healthcare, pensions and education. All that unfettered immigration creates is a limited economic growth bubble but sacrifices western culture and values along the way. The paradox in the remain argument which hides behind social welfare as the reason to stay is that the whole reason underpinning the EU is one of creating and furthering globalisation, homogenising everyone into a brand dependent populace without choice or democratic input. I am left with only one logical course of action and that is to vote leave for a safer more secure and ultimately more democratic future. Well said "mass immigration!!!! You do realise there are over 2 million uk citizens who have moved to Europe ....the utopia of an immigrant free uk when we leave the EU is simply not going to happen..its about time the brexit campaigners came clean and started portraying the truth ... | |||
"Whether to leave or remain in the EU is as much about how you feel in your heart as in your head. It seems to me that the EU is benignly incompetent and is far more about securing the global aspirations of mega corporations as all of the rules and regs are heavily skewed in favour of big business and away from the 'small' business person. I certainly do not recognise the EU as an organisation designed to favour or protect the 'small' person such as pensioners or people needing to heavily rely upon the NHS, if it did have those goals in mind it quite simply would not be tolerating mass immigration which is placing intolerable strain on social benefits such as healthcare, pensions and education. All that unfettered immigration creates is a limited economic growth bubble but sacrifices western culture and values along the way. The paradox in the remain argument which hides behind social welfare as the reason to stay is that the whole reason underpinning the EU is one of creating and furthering globalisation, homogenising everyone into a brand dependent populace without choice or democratic input. I am left with only one logical course of action and that is to vote leave for a safer more secure and ultimately more democratic future. Well said mass immigration!!!! You do realise there are over 2 million uk citizens who have moved to Europe ....the utopia of an immigrant free uk when we leave the EU is simply not going to happen..its about time the brexit campaigners came clean and started portraying the truth ..."The latest net migration statistics show that in the year ending September 2015, net migration to the UK was 323,000. | |||
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"I am in favour of Brexit but have never thought, nor have I ever heard anyone proposing Brexit suggest that the UK would be immigrant free post Brexit. Quite the reverse in fact, immigration into the UK is desirable if it is controlled and designed to bring to the UK people with the skills that we need to help the country prosper. Current unfettered immigration does not achieve this goal. As for UK citizens living abroad, I suggest they pose a very different proposition to the host countries of Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, Malta (and many others) where they work or retire to, than the thousands of young North African men (predominantly) who are arriving in Europe at the moment? Unless you are suggesting otherwise?" you clearly haven't been keeping up with the many posts on social networking sites zero immigration is the way many see brexit should achieve ..the question of what to do with those from Europe who have already arrived in the UK or those who have left is a question that seems to remain unanswered | |||
"Has anyone else read this propaganda? The most common/repeated word in the leaflet is "would". It is full of what "would" happen if we exit. Yet in the same leaflet it says we do not know what exit would look like. More contradiction. Why can't they use the word "guess" instead...or even better "we want you to think". Osbourne has just now come out to say that due to decrease in GDP households would be £4300 (in total) worse off by 2030 if we exit. That is in 14 years time. Two points. Firstly. That is £307 per household each year. Far less than the NETT contribution we make to the EU so even in the extremely unlikely case that he is correct we would be better off financially. Second. Something like 9 out of 10 of his "predictions" for growth etc in the las 5/6 years have been out by a significant amount. Gorgeous Gideon is also stating this loss per household to be a "fact". There are no such things as future facts...they are predictions/speculations/guesses or lies. My experience of our chancellor tells me which of those I think this is!" is this the new brexiter's strategy....rubbish any report that comes out... The problem is this Not so easy to rubbish it when the last 6 major organisation to do reports on it all say the same thing so...lets have a look at them... Two of the six reports say leaving the EU could have a positive impact on GDP, but even those two reports suggest a negative impact would be more likely. Centre for Economic Policy Research (2013)... they are well known for being impartial GDP impact: From -1.24% to -1.77% Institute of Economic Affairs (2014) they are know for being actually fairly eurosceptic... GDP impact: From +1.1% to -2.6% Open Europe (2015).... this one has been the brexiters "poll of choice today... but even they say that a negative outcome is more likely than a positive one... GDP impact: From +1.55% to -2.2% Centre for Economic Performance, LSE (2016)...c'mon its the london school of economics... they have to be impartial GDP impact: From -1.3% to -2.6% PwC (2016) Price Waterhouse Cooper.... if they aren't impatial, then who is!!!! GDP impact: From -3% to -5.5% (in 2020) Oxford Economics..... its Oxford University for god sake!!! how much more impartial would you like!!!! GDP impact: -0.1% to -3.9% and thats without even the treasury's calculations..... and the IMF's calculations..... and the institute of fiscal studies (the IFS) who everyone concedes on all sides are about as impartial as they get (even UKIP got the IFS to costplan their entire 2015 general election manifesto to say it was cost neutral) ... so said the treasury's figures are "plausable" how many more reports do we rubbish..... so maybe the question that should be asked now (and i say vote leave started interestingly taking this position this afternoon) if you know its going to cost your pocket £4300 per household per year...... would you still leave???? | |||
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"I am in favour of Brexit but have never thought, nor have I ever heard anyone proposing Brexit suggest that the UK would be immigrant free post Brexit. Quite the reverse in fact, immigration into the UK is desirable if it is controlled and designed to bring to the UK people with the skills that we need to help the country prosper. Current unfettered immigration does not achieve this goal. As for UK citizens living abroad, I suggest they pose a very different proposition to the host countries of Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, Malta (and many others) where they work or retire to, than the thousands of young North African men (predominantly) who are arriving in Europe at the moment? Unless you are suggesting otherwise?you clearly haven't been keeping up with the many posts on social networking sites zero immigration is the way many see brexit should achieve ..the question of what to do with those from Europe who have already arrived in the UK or those who have left is a question that seems to remain unanswered " I'm not seeing that being said by everyone on the Brexit side. Everyone accepts we need a certain level of sensible immigration which we have control over. It's the current lack of control people are opposed to. Secondly those who have already come here legally from the EU won't be deported or sent back anywhere, for the remain in side to suggest so is just more scaremongering rubbish. | |||
"People from EU zone countries already living here would be able to stay and apply for UK citizenship if they wished or go and work somewhere else within the EU. The problem is hardly insurmountable!" you make no mention of the UK citizens living in Europe!!!!!and that position is not one being supported by the in campaigners or Europe where these 2 million UK citizens live to many unknowns for me to vote leave ... | |||
"Firstly Fabio, the alleged fact that it will cost us £4300 is hardly reliable is it? The treasury and Mr Osbourne do not have a good record in predicting the economic picture month to month let alone what it might look like in 14 years. So I think the question is more like do we believe as the 5th biggest economy on the planet and with all of our cultural and political networks established around the globe over hundreds of years of successful trading that we can make a go of it outside of the EU? Remember that 55% of our current trade is conducted with countries outside of the EU." so that is how you rubbished the treasurys reports.... how do you then rubbish the other 6 who have said the same thing.... that the likelyhood is the UK would be worst off if brexit.... its like people keep telling you the same thing... to which your answer is "la la la not listening"..... so which report would you like to rubbish next? | |||
"Firstly Fabio, the alleged fact that it will cost us £4300 is hardly reliable is it? The treasury and Mr Osbourne do not have a good record in predicting the economic picture month to month let alone what it might look like in 14 years. So I think the question is more like do we believe as the 5th biggest economy on the planet and with all of our cultural and political networks established around the globe over hundreds of years of successful trading that we can make a go of it outside of the EU? Remember that 55% of our current trade is conducted with countries outside of the EU." okay lev.... since you and me both live in newcastle... let me bring you an example close to home.... lets look at nissan in sunderland.... how many thousands work there.... they build cars that are mainly exported to the continent......what would be in it for them to stay? | |||
"Firstly Fabio, the alleged fact that it will cost us £4300 is hardly reliable is it? The treasury and Mr Osbourne do not have a good record in predicting the economic picture month to month let alone what it might look like in 14 years. So I think the question is more like do we believe as the 5th biggest economy on the planet and with all of our cultural and political networks established around the globe over hundreds of years of successful trading that we can make a go of it outside of the EU? Remember that 55% of our current trade is conducted with countries outside of the EU." The IMF also have a spectacular record for getting it wrong when making predictions. They failed to predict the global economic crash in 2008, then they rubbished George Osborne's austerity cuts for which they had to later make a humiliating public apology to him and the government and admit they got it wrong. I'm pretty sure the IMF were also one of the bodies who told us to join the euro, and it's clear now they got that one wrong too. | |||
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"Firstly Fabio, the alleged fact that it will cost us £4300 is hardly reliable is it? The treasury and Mr Osbourne do not have a good record in predicting the economic picture month to month let alone what it might look like in 14 years. So I think the question is more like do we believe as the 5th biggest economy on the planet and with all of our cultural and political networks established around the globe over hundreds of years of successful trading that we can make a go of it outside of the EU? Remember that 55% of our current trade is conducted with countries outside of the EU. The IMF also have a spectacular record for getting it wrong when making predictions. They failed to predict the global economic crash in 2008, then they rubbished George Osborne's austerity cuts for which they had to later make a humiliating public apology to him and the government and admit they got it wrong. I'm pretty sure the IMF were also one of the bodies who told us to join the euro, and it's clear now they got that one wrong too. " so thats the treasury and the imf...... how about rubbishing the 6 others i have mentioned? you going to distrust the IFS... after all they did your beloved ukips manifesto commitments ......
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" Considering they factored in the nuclear war which takes place in 2024 and the great pandemic which followed, killing over 85% of the worlds population. I think we sound in good shape. Jenny xxx" Lol, you forgot about skynet taking over the world in 2025, and then the terminators taking control of all the countries. Maybe in the realms of fantasy but no more a fantasy than George Osborne thinking he can predict what the world will look like in 2030. | |||
"All of them frankly, as they all represent the self interest of the globalist sand corporatists. What they most certainly do not represent are the best interests of the ordinary working people of this country! Have you ever stopped to think why Cameron and Osborne are so fervently pro EU? There are hardly on the side of the working man are they? It suits the interests of big business who are desperate for the UK to join the Euro and for the EU to become a federal entity. TTIP allows access to the NHS for all of the big US medical insurance companies (amongst many other horrific events) and the TTIP negotiations are being conducted in complete secrecy. Does anyone really believe that these things are being done to benefit us?" do you really believe leaving the EU will benefit the average working person ? ..surely you cannot be that naïve to believe it.. | |||
"All of them frankly, as they all represent the self interest of the globalist sand corporatists. What they most certainly do not represent are the best interests of the ordinary working people of this country! Have you ever stopped to think why Cameron and Osborne are so fervently pro EU? There are hardly on the side of the working man are they? It suits the interests of big business who are desperate for the UK to join the Euro and for the EU to become a federal entity. TTIP allows access to the NHS for all of the big US medical insurance companies (amongst many other horrific events) and the TTIP negotiations are being conducted in complete secrecy. Does anyone really believe that these things are being done to benefit us? do you really believe leaving the EU will benefit the average working person ? ..surely you cannot be that naïve to believe it.." Stuart Rose, the leader of the Britain stronger in Europe campaign admitted while he was being grilled by the commons select committee that if we leave the EU it's likely British workers wages would go up. That would be a benefit to the average working person. | |||
"All of them frankly, as they all represent the self interest of the globalist sand corporatists. What they most certainly do not represent are the best interests of the ordinary working people of this country! Have you ever stopped to think why Cameron and Osborne are so fervently pro EU? There are hardly on the side of the working man are they? It suits the interests of big business who are desperate for the UK to join the Euro and for the EU to become a federal entity. TTIP allows access to the NHS for all of the big US medical insurance companies (amongst many other horrific events) and the TTIP negotiations are being conducted in complete secrecy. Does anyone really believe that these things are being done to benefit us? do you really believe leaving the EU will benefit the average working person ? ..surely you cannot be that naïve to believe it.." sad thing is that even though he live here in newcastle... he doesn't realise that north east england is actually a net benefiter of EU money..... and the regeneration of the newcastle/gateshead quayside area is built on the back of EU money.... | |||
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"All of them frankly, as they all represent the self interest of the globalist sand corporatists. What they most certainly do not represent are the best interests of the ordinary working people of this country! Have you ever stopped to think why Cameron and Osborne are so fervently pro EU? There are hardly on the side of the working man are they? It suits the interests of big business who are desperate for the UK to join the Euro and for the EU to become a federal entity. TTIP allows access to the NHS for all of the big US medical insurance companies (amongst many other horrific events) and the TTIP negotiations are being conducted in complete secrecy. Does anyone really believe that these things are being done to benefit us? do you really believe leaving the EU will benefit the average working person ? ..surely you cannot be that naïve to believe it.. sad thing is that even though he live here in newcastle... he doesn't realise that north east england is actually a net benefiter of EU money..... and the regeneration of the newcastle/gateshead quayside area is built on the back of EU money.... "It's not EU money though it is our own money paid to the EU which they then give back to us. There is no such thing as EU money. | |||
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"All of them frankly, as they all represent the self interest of the globalist sand corporatists. What they most certainly do not represent are the best interests of the ordinary working people of this country! Have you ever stopped to think why Cameron and Osborne are so fervently pro EU? There are hardly on the side of the working man are they? It suits the interests of big business who are desperate for the UK to join the Euro and for the EU to become a federal entity. TTIP allows access to the NHS for all of the big US medical insurance companies (amongst many other horrific events) and the TTIP negotiations are being conducted in complete secrecy. Does anyone really believe that these things are being done to benefit us? do you really believe leaving the EU will benefit the average working person ? ..surely you cannot be that naïve to believe it.. sad thing is that even though he live here in newcastle... he doesn't realise that north east england is actually a net benefiter of EU money..... and the regeneration of the newcastle/gateshead quayside area is built on the back of EU money....
It's not EU money though it is our own money paid to the EU which they then give back to us. There is no such thing as EU money. "the reality is a government based in London will not replace eu money to regenerate the north of England in not a northerner even I realise the north will only get eu funding to regenerate the area .. | |||
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"The north does not need EU handouts it needs genuine opportunities for trade and growth. The Nissan car plant has recently expanded to start making cars for the US market, it is growth like this that is needed, not charitable donations from Brussels." I know its difficult foe you ro understand but you need to improve an area to entice further large companies in to create real jobs ...ohh and ask all the people being paid with eu money to improve the quayside wether they would like to continue being paid with eu money or have no work ..so yes the north does need the improvements and eu money | |||
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"We live in a very sad country if you believe that. The EU does not have any money other than what we give it through our taxes and the fact that we get less back than we give it is hardly a good deal. I agree that we need a government that is prepared to back the north, which 13 years of labour and now six years of the Cameron/Osborne mismanagement have failed to do. But salvation for the north does not lie within the EU." you forgot to mention the 18 yrs of the thatcher government who decimated the north sorry but in the last 37 yrs of labour and tory governments salvation comes only from the EU.. | |||
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"Only from redistribution of our own taxes I think is what you mean. The EU acts as a middle man and takes a very hefty chunk out of it as its fee. Personally I'd rather take responsibility for that job back from Brussels. Unless you are suggesting that we are incapable of running our own affairs?" you will never get a fair distribution from Westminster you haven't in the last 37 yrs leaving the EU wont change that | |||
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" Unless you are suggesting that we are incapable of running our own affairs? yup ... that just about puts the UK in a nutshell" So instead of project fear now it's project pessimism from the Remainians? | |||
" Unless you are suggesting that we are incapable of running our own affairs? yup ... that just about puts the UK in a nutshell So instead of project fear now it's project pessimism from the Remainians?" which project fear do you mean? the leave or be in ruins project fear? or the stay and be in ruins project fear? as i've clearly stated previously i couldn't give a shit which of you squabbling factions wins this time wasting farce | |||
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" Unless you are suggesting that we are incapable of running our own affairs? yup ... that just about puts the UK in a nutshell So instead of project fear now it's project pessimism from the Remainians?" Don't forget "Project Eat Your First Born" and "Project Kill Fluffy Kittens"  | |||
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"Why are people reluctant to read the pamphlet and possibly learn? They're like the kids at school who insist it's uncool to succeed." I have read every word...a few times. Hence my complaint about the use of the word "would" for every speculative guess it contains. Cameron and his cronies are listing things as facts which are at best predictions, generally conjecture, and in many cases lies! You cannot talk about future facts as they haven't happened yet! Gideon reckons our GDP could fall by 6% by 2030.... Strangely this is exactly the same amount his prediction of 5 years ago was wrong by! And he expects us to believe this as fact? (Apparently he also equates a 6% fall as being £4300 per household....so according to that average income must be £71666...... Really??? And he is chancellor? | |||
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"We live in a very sad country if you believe that. The EU does not have any money other than what we give it through our taxes and the fact that we get less back than we give it is hardly a good deal. I agree that we need a government that is prepared to back the north, which 13 years of labour and now six years of the Cameron/Osborne mismanagement have failed to do. But salvation for the north does not lie within the EU." Its not a North South thing as we have Jaywick 4 miles down the road the most deprived pace in the country followed by Tower Hamlets slums & some pretty fucked up places in Wales so its the same all over mate. Wages/Benefits in Essex are no different to those in Yorkshire but prices are twice as much here for food & clothes...we need the government to back the whole country & not just line the pockets of the rich. | |||
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"We had a leaflet in Tendering telling people how better off they would be out of the EU but strangely nothing was mentioned about its costs in the media. We then get one urging us to stay again more money wasted on propaganda, who out of the two are right and why should we fork out the costs out of tax payers money. We got the bit about staying and what a wonderful country it will be so its only fair we hear the other side." That is very simple the out leaflet was paid by the out supportsers the Government in leaflet which is what people are complaining about was paid for by the taxpayers. | |||
"Google 'better off out' for a start" easy way to decide in or out .....would u leave your job for one that wont tell you the rate of pay,holiday entitlement.whether you get company car .private health .its simple you wouldn't..so why leave the EU when you don't know the benefits.you wouldn't gamble with your job why gamble with your country. | |||
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"Google 'better off out' for a starteasy way to decide in or out .....would u leave your job for one that wont tell you the rate of pay,holiday entitlement.whether you get company car .private health .its simple you wouldn't..so why leave the EU when you don't know the benefits.you wouldn't gamble with your job why gamble with your country." Leaving is no gamble it is the better option/'job' for sure. Now having said that, I am not even thinking of my pocket, I am thinking of the future for my 13 year old son and the futures of the kids I know in Spain. The whole union wants tearing down | |||
"Google 'better off out' for a starteasy way to decide in or out .....would u leave your job for one that wont tell you the rate of pay,holiday entitlement.whether you get company car .private health .its simple you wouldn't..so why leave the EU when you don't know the benefits.you wouldn't gamble with your job why gamble with your country. Leaving is no gamble it is the better option/'job' for sure. Now having said that, I am not even thinking of my pocket, I am thinking of the future for my 13 year old son and the futures of the kids I know in Spain. The whole union wants tearing down" that's ridiculous statement of course leaving is a gamble nobody knows what will be put in place after eu membership ..or are you one of the uneducated people that think we can just walk away from the club but still keep all of the benefits of the EU..dint you realise the wont just be given they will have to be negotiated hard for .... | |||
"Euro is a load of shit. Companies can get better deals out of it as brussels won't be needing their cut of what's sold. Also the main one of paying eu in excess of 30million a day just to be told how we can spend our own money. Charity to other countries can be stopped and put into nhs get that back on its feet. Cameron only want in as it lines his pocket more. Out for me if you hadn't already guessed haha" | |||
"I haven't gotten my leaflet.
You can have mine "Mine too ...... | |||
"Euro is a load of shit. Companies can get better deals out of it as brussels won't be needing their cut of what's sold. Also the main one of paying eu in excess of 30million a day just to be told how we can spend our own money. Charity to other countries can be stopped and put into nhs get that back on its feet. Cameron only want in as it lines his pocket more. Out for me if you hadn't already guessed haha "ah like china where up to 45% import tax is charged on cars yep great deals to be had outside the EU .. | |||
"Google 'better off out' for a starteasy way to decide in or out .....would u leave your job for one that wont tell you the rate of pay,holiday entitlement.whether you get company car .private health .its simple you wouldn't..so why leave the EU when you don't know the benefits.you wouldn't gamble with your job why gamble with your country. Leaving is no gamble it is the better option/'job' for sure. Now having said that, I am not even thinking of my pocket, I am thinking of the future for my 13 year old son and the futures of the kids I know in Spain. The whole union wants tearing downthat's ridiculous statement of course leaving is a gamble nobody knows what will be put in place after eu membership ..or are you one of the uneducated people that think we can just walk away from the club but still keep all of the benefits of the EU..dint you realise the wont just be given they will have to be negotiated hard for ...." When will you realise that there are no longer any benefits to being in the EU? Maybe you should put a hat on, too much sun can frazzle the brain | |||
"Google 'better off out' for a starteasy way to decide in or out .....would u leave your job for one that wont tell you the rate of pay,holiday entitlement.whether you get company car .private health .its simple you wouldn't..so why leave the EU when you don't know the benefits.you wouldn't gamble with your job why gamble with your country. Leaving is no gamble it is the better option/'job' for sure. Now having said that, I am not even thinking of my pocket, I am thinking of the future for my 13 year old son and the futures of the kids I know in Spain. The whole union wants tearing downthat's ridiculous statement of course leaving is a gamble nobody knows what will be put in place after eu membership ..or are you one of the uneducated people that think we can just walk away from the club but still keep all of the benefits of the EU..dint you realise the wont just be given they will have to be negotiated hard for .... When will you realise that there are no longer any benefits to being in the EU? Maybe you should put a hat on, too much sun can frazzle the brain" no benefits to being in the EU !!!!!!!!!! Quick turn the heating up you have brain freeze | |||
"Google 'better off out' for a starteasy way to decide in or out .....would u leave your job for one that wont tell you the rate of pay,holiday entitlement.whether you get company car .private health .its simple you wouldn't..so why leave the EU when you don't know the benefits.you wouldn't gamble with your job why gamble with your country. Leaving is no gamble it is the better option/'job' for sure. Now having said that, I am not even thinking of my pocket, I am thinking of the future for my 13 year old son and the futures of the kids I know in Spain. The whole union wants tearing downthat's ridiculous statement of course leaving is a gamble nobody knows what will be put in place after eu membership ..or are you one of the uneducated people that think we can just walk away from the club but still keep all of the benefits of the EU..dint you realise the wont just be given they will have to be negotiated hard for .... When will you realise that there are no longer any benefits to being in the EU? Maybe you should put a hat on, too much sun can frazzle the brainno benefits to being in the EU !!!!!!!!!! Quick turn the heating up you have brain freeze" This coming from the man who thinks the pound has never gone below 1.21 euros in the last five years. Ok so you think that any benefits we do have would suddenly be taken away? Who would that suit? There are no future benefits to be had. Tradewise the EU is shrinking year on year on the world stage. Countries will be better off on their own. It is companies and businessmen that do business not governments. The world has shrunk and this is a new age | |||
