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"Will European rules generally be more stringent than any UK ones - should we go it alone - for product safety, pollution, Carbon dioxide emissions etc? Some MP mentioned EU cabbage rules in the media. How many words govern cabbages for sale, for example, would you think?" Contrary to popular belief EU regulations have zero words specifically dealing with cabbage, the British red tractor scheme has aprox 23,500 words on them though. We invented red tape, just saying  | |||
"Will European rules generally be more stringent than any UK ones - should we go it alone - for product safety, pollution, Carbon dioxide emissions etc? Some MP mentioned EU cabbage rules in the media. How many words govern cabbages for sale, for example, would you think?" Very few on cabbage. Very many on agriculture. And the 26,000 words on cabbages were a guidance document issued here. I don't think that is the be all and end all of the EU debate. | |||
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"Here's my personal observations. . I buy stuff, electrical, plumbing, gas, building equipment all the time, they all come with a bs or a en number meaning they've passed the required standard. So you buy a consumer unit say, made in America , it's fine, you buy one made in Europe.. It's fine. . . You buy one made in China, it's fucking wank, the threads on every nut just slip if you tighten them more than a limp wristed Alan carr could manage, the plastic is flimsy crap, and the buzz bar fits loosely on some plastic clips that the slightest knock snaps... There so bad lots of them have set on fire and we now have to fit metal clad ones.. . You buy an adjustable spanner, the one made in America is fine, the one made in Sweden is fantastic the one made in China is utterly shit and will bust in half with any pressure but that's only if you can find one that doesn't split the jaws open anyhow!!. . . My rule of thumb for buying shit, is don't rely on eu standards because there worth about as much as David Camerons promises. . Buy it from its country of origin, northern Europe, north America usually it's just fine. Buy from the bricks, south America, Asia your taking your life in your hands" Not quite sure whether that is pro or anti EU. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave" dream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ..." Why won't it? | |||
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"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ..." The world has moved on a fair bit from the 70's. We live in a globalised world now the EU is past its sell by date, an analogue union in a digital age, a relic of the past and is holding us back. | |||
" Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave" At a minimum, the EU would only allow full access to its single market in return for adherence to rules that Eurosceptics are keen to jettison. If Norway and Switzerland (whose arrangements with the EU many Brexiters idolise) are a guide, the union would also demand the free movement of people and a big payment to its budget before allowing unfettered access to the market. Worse, the EU would have a strong incentive to impose a harsh settlement to discourage other countries from leaving. The Brexit camp’s claim that Europe needs Britain more than the other way round is fanciful: the EU takes almost half Britain’s exports, whereas Britain takes less than 10% of the EU’s; and the British trade deficit is mostly with the Germans and Spanish, not with the other 25 countries that would have to agree on a new trade deal. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Why won't it?" because all other countries would want free trade in Europe without paying in to the EU club ... | |||
"Here's my personal observations. . I buy stuff, electrical, plumbing, gas, building equipment all the time, they all come with a bs or a en number meaning they've passed the required standard. So you buy a consumer unit say, made in America , it's fine, you buy one made in Europe.. It's fine. . . You buy one made in China, it's fucking wank, the threads on every nut just slip if you tighten them more than a limp wristed Alan carr could manage, the plastic is flimsy crap, and the buzz bar fits loosely on some plastic clips that the slightest knock snaps... There so bad lots of them have set on fire and we now have to fit metal clad ones.. . You buy an adjustable spanner, the one made in America is fine, the one made in Sweden is fantastic the one made in China is utterly shit and will bust in half with any pressure but that's only if you can find one that doesn't split the jaws open anyhow!!. . . My rule of thumb for buying shit, is don't rely on eu standards because there worth about as much as David Camerons promises. . Buy it from its country of origin, northern Europe, north America usually it's just fine. Buy from the bricks, south America, Asia your taking your life in your hands Not quite sure whether that is pro or anti EU." . It's neither, I'm saying all shit passes the required standard. It's a bs/en standard, won't make much of a difference in or out. What it means is, if you wanna buy something that doesn't kill you, buy something of quality and that's nearly always made in northern Europe | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. " The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. | |||
"UK wont leave no matter how hard they they try too, cos even if they say yes as a country, all the other 27 eu members have to say yes and only if one say no, they cant leave. The chances are very slim to nothing." where's that in article 50 of the EU treaty? | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Why won't it?because all other countries would want free trade in Europe without paying in to the EU club ..." So? | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. " Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. | |||
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"UK wont leave no matter how hard they they try too, cos even if they say yes as a country, all the other 27 eu members have to say yes and only if one say no, they cant leave. The chances are very slim to nothing.where's that in article 50 of the EU treaty?" Well they said it on the daily politic show. | |||
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"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. " . Are you fucking kidding... Try buying a Chinese motorbike! | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. . Are you fucking kidding... Try buying a Chinese motorbike!" Why? | |||
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"How many countries actually pay in a surplus?... Ie if we leave, who's gonna chip in the extra needed?. My prediction is the UK will vote out, the EU (Germany) will be horrified, they'll have an emergency meeting and something will give and then we'll get a another vote in September where the answer will be yes and we'll get remarried like Richard and Liz " That was BoJo's original position but he backtracked in order to position himself as the exit groups leader in waiting after the vote. | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. . Are you fucking kidding... Try buying a Chinese motorbike! Why?" . Text in from the infirmary when you've had one! | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. . Are you fucking kidding... Try buying a Chinese motorbike! Why?. Text in from the infirmary when you've had one!" Isn't that essentially agreeing with what I said? Don't know why you asked if I was "fucking kidding". Bizarre. | |||
"UK wont leave no matter how hard they they try too, cos even if they say yes as a country, all the other 27 eu members have to say yes and only if one say no, they cant leave. The chances are very slim to nothing.where's that in article 50 of the EU treaty?Well they said it on the daily politic show." more bullshit from the British press ..read article 50 ..i have and never saw anytime about all other member states having to agree | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. . Are you fucking kidding... Try buying a Chinese motorbike! Why?. Text in from the infirmary when you've had one! Isn't that essentially agreeing with what I said? Don't know why you asked if I was "fucking kidding". Bizarre. " . No I'm completely disagreeing with you, it makes not the slightest difference about some poxy bs/en standard. Some stuff is shite and shouldn't be sold as it's unfit for purpose and it's not really stuff made in northern Europe, it's stuff made in cheap nasty countries but it all gets the same standard stamped on it.... Coz trades good | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. . Are you fucking kidding... Try buying a Chinese motorbike! Why?. Text in from the infirmary when you've had one! Isn't that essentially agreeing with what I said? Don't know why you asked if I was "fucking kidding". Bizarre. . No I'm completely disagreeing with you, it makes not the slightest difference about some poxy bs/en standard. Some stuff is shite and shouldn't be sold as it's unfit for purpose and it's not really stuff made in northern Europe, it's stuff made in cheap nasty countries but it all gets the same standard stamped on it.... Coz trades good" You're clearly mental if you don't believe standards should exist. | |||
"UK wont leave no matter how hard they they try too, cos even if they say yes as a country, all the other 27 eu members have to say yes and only if one say no, they cant leave. The chances are very slim to nothing.where's that in article 50 of the EU treaty?Well they said it on the daily politic show.more bullshit from the British press ..read article 50 ..i have and never saw anytime about all other member states having to agree" Yes lots of info from many sources. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. It does say they have to negotiate so it is not set in stone. | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. Eh, I reckon it'd be worse without any EU standards, especially when it comes to machinery. Meat isn't really top of my priorities. . Are you fucking kidding... Try buying a Chinese motorbike! Why?. Text in from the infirmary when you've had one! Isn't that essentially agreeing with what I said? Don't know why you asked if I was "fucking kidding". Bizarre. . No I'm completely disagreeing with you, it makes not the slightest difference about some poxy bs/en standard. Some stuff is shite and shouldn't be sold as it's unfit for purpose and it's not really stuff made in northern Europe, it's stuff made in cheap nasty countries but it all gets the same standard stamped on it.... Coz trades good You're clearly mental if you don't believe standards should exist. " . What difference does it make, we've got tumble dryers burning houses down Willy nilly, Chinese motor bikes with wheels falling off , horse meat in bolognese and Mars have to put a warning on there sauces that eating this product daily could kill you... And your worried about standards being lowered  | |||
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"UK wont leave no matter how hard they they try too, cos even if they say yes as a country, all the other 27 eu members have to say yes and only if one say no, they cant leave. The chances are very slim to nothing.where's that in article 50 of the EU treaty?Well they said it on the daily politic show.more bullshit from the British press ..read article 50 ..i have and never saw anytime about all other member states having to agreeYes lots of info from many sources. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. It does say they have to negotiate so it is not set in stone." of course we have to negotiate what comes after our withdrawal..trade freedom to move within Europe import tarifs export tariffs ect .. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Why won't it?because all other countries would want free trade in Europe without paying in to the EU club ..." Just remind me how much does the USA have to pay to trade with the EU? How much will Canada have to pay? The EU is even negotiating a free trade deal with Japan. If the EU wants to survive in the future it will have to make free trade agreement with the world. Trade tariffs are dwindling as we write these messages soon they will be a thing of the past. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Why won't it?because all other countries would want free trade in Europe without paying in to the EU club ... Just remind me how much does the USA have to pay to trade with the EU? How much will Canada have to pay? The EU is even negotiating a free trade deal with Japan. If the EU wants to survive in the future it will have to make free trade agreement with the world. Trade tariffs are dwindling as we write these messages soon they will be a thing of the past." as a rough guide its 22% of the items value to import from one of the countries you mentioned ..to import from europe to uk or uk to Europe at the present time is 0% this will change when we are not part of the eu | |||
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"I think if we leave the EU then prices and inflation will increase. I do not believe that the money we currently give to the EU will be spent on the NHS but will go towards 'reducing the deficit'. But I'm yet to decide whether to vote in or out. No one seems to have come up with a convincing argument for or against and I really REALLY dislike patronising scare mongering from David Cameron et al - that alone makes me mindful to vote against him. " unfortunately its either scaremongering to keep uk in or some sort of utopia land promised by the brezit supporters in their dream like state .. | |||
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"I think if we leave the EU then prices and inflation will increase. I do not believe that the money we currently give to the EU will be spent on the NHS but will go towards 'reducing the deficit'. But I'm yet to decide whether to vote in or out. No one seems to have come up with a convincing argument for or against and I really REALLY dislike patronising scare mongering from David Cameron et al - that alone makes me mindful to vote against him. " . Every country in the world (except maybe Venezuela) is desperate for inflation to go up, (and respectively the pound to go down, there really the same thing) we need it to go up, it's the only way out of our debt burden. The only thing I can tell you, is regardless of the result, you'll get robbed by inflation one way or another, if you don't get robbed then you'll face economic ruin... I think they call it a rock and a hard place  | |||
"I think if we leave the EU then prices and inflation will increase. I do not believe that the money we currently give to the EU will be spent on the NHS but will go towards 'reducing the deficit'. But I'm yet to decide whether to vote in or out. No one seems to have come up with a convincing argument for or against and I really REALLY dislike patronising scare mongering from David Cameron et al - that alone makes me mindful to vote against him. . Every country in the world (except maybe Venezuela) is desperate for inflation to go up, (and respectively the pound to go down, there really the same thing) we need it to go up, it's the only way out of our debt burden. The only thing I can tell you, is regardless of the result, you'll get robbed by inflation one way or another, if you don't get robbed then you'll face economic ruin... I think they call it a rock and a hard place "no ned to wait for the pound to go down it dropped like a brick just after the mention of a brexit vote .will soon be at an all time low against world currencies.  | |||
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"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. " Money talks Dirty cash I want you Dirty cash I need you, oh | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. " yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. | |||
"I think if we leave the EU then prices and inflation will increase. I do not believe that the money we currently give to the EU will be spent on the NHS but will go towards 'reducing the deficit'. But I'm yet to decide whether to vote in or out. No one seems to have come up with a convincing argument for or against and I really REALLY dislike patronising scare mongering from David Cameron et al - that alone makes me mindful to vote against him. . Every country in the world (except maybe Venezuela) is desperate for inflation to go up, (and respectively the pound to go down, there really the same thing) we need it to go up, it's the only way out of our debt burden. The only thing I can tell you, is regardless of the result, you'll get robbed by inflation one way or another, if you don't get robbed then you'll face economic ruin... I think they call it a rock and a hard place no ned to wait for the pound to go down it dropped like a brick just after the mention of a brexit vote .will soon be at an all time low against world currencies. ". That's good for exports, bad for imports, China is constantly manipulating the renminbi down. What's good for you, is not what's necessarily good for a country | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .." Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. " you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ... | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ..." I can read social history so am not entirely ignorant - although I think the economic benefits of joining the EEC were more than wiped out by OPEC quadrupling the oil price. The EU has changed both in size, meaning and nature from 1973 to 2016, I might take that into account instead. | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ... I can read social history so am not entirely ignorant - although I think the economic benefits of joining the EEC were more than wiped out by OPEC quadrupling the oil price. The EU has changed both in size, meaning and nature from 1973 to 2016, I might take that into account instead. " an ever growing Europe surely must be better.to help fend of the impact the rest of the world has upon us .. | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ... I can read social history so am not entirely ignorant - although I think the economic benefits of joining the EEC were more than wiped out by OPEC quadrupling the oil price. The EU has changed both in size, meaning and nature from 1973 to 2016, I might take that into account instead. an ever growing Europe surely must be better.to help fend of the impact the rest of the world has upon us .. " Europe can not be 'ever growing' in its current state because there are a finite number of countries. 'Surely'.....not sure at all. Nothing is certain. I'm assuming you mean 'negative impact'? Other countries are not in Europe and do quite happily. | |||
"Will European rules generally be more stringent than any UK ones - should we go it alone - for product safety, pollution, Carbon dioxide emissions etc? Some MP mentioned EU cabbage rules in the media. How many words govern cabbages for sale, for example, would you think?" Fact: the number of words in EU cabbage rules - absolutely NONE. Fact: you are being lied to by the Brexit supporting politicians. You might want to ask: is it deliberate and what is their agenda? Or are they just SO ignorant of the actual facts that you should just ignore everything they say? Personally, I think it's the latter. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave" Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ... I can read social history so am not entirely ignorant - although I think the economic benefits of joining the EEC were more than wiped out by OPEC quadrupling the oil price. The EU has changed both in size, meaning and nature from 1973 to 2016, I might take that into account instead. an ever growing Europe surely must be better.to help fend of the impact the rest of the world has upon us .. Europe can not be 'ever growing' in its current state because there are a finite number of countries. 'Surely'.....not sure at all. Nothing is certain. I'm assuming you mean 'negative impact'? Other countries are not in Europe and do quite happily. " so witch other small island nations are we talking about doing well ..large nations or nations with large mineral deposits will keep doing well a small island nation with virtually no natural deposits or manufacturing base of its own will have to rely on handouts from the rest of the world in order to survive if we are no longer part of a greater alliance .. | |||
"I think if we leave the EU then prices and inflation will increase. I do not believe that the money we currently give to the EU will be spent on the NHS but will go towards 'reducing the deficit'. But I'm yet to decide whether to vote in or out. No one seems to have come up with a convincing argument for or against and I really REALLY dislike patronising scare mongering from David Cameron et al - that alone makes me mindful to vote against him. . Every country in the world (except maybe Venezuela) is desperate for inflation to go up, (and respectively the pound to go down, there really the same thing) we need it to go up, it's the only way out of our debt burden. The only thing I can tell you, is regardless of the result, you'll get robbed by inflation one way or another, if you don't get robbed then you'll face economic ruin... I think they call it a rock and a hard place no ned to wait for the pound to go down it dropped like a brick just after the mention of a brexit vote .will soon be at an all time low against world currencies. .
That's good for exports, bad for imports, China is constantly manipulating the renminbi down.
What's good for you, is not what's necessarily good for a country"So you like increase petrol prices, increase food prices and interest rates. | |||
"I think if we leave the EU then prices and inflation will increase. I do not believe that the money we currently give to the EU will be spent on the NHS but will go towards 'reducing the deficit'. But I'm yet to decide whether to vote in or out. No one seems to have come up with a convincing argument for or against and I really REALLY dislike patronising scare mongering from David Cameron et al - that alone makes me mindful to vote against him. . Every country in the world (except maybe Venezuela) is desperate for inflation to go up, (and respectively the pound to go down, there really the same thing) we need it to go up, it's the only way out of our debt burden. The only thing I can tell you, is regardless of the result, you'll get robbed by inflation one way or another, if you don't get robbed then you'll face economic ruin... I think they call it a rock and a hard place no ned to wait for the pound to go down it dropped like a brick just after the mention of a brexit vote .will soon be at an all time low against world currencies. .
That's good for exports, bad for imports, China is constantly manipulating the renminbi down.
What's good for you, is not what's necessarily good for a country
So you like increase petrol prices, increase food prices and interest rates.". Not really but then that's not what I said. Let's face facts nobody likes higher prices... But there's a cost to paying lower ones. Were being dishonest with ourselves if we didn't admit that!. Like I said before, it's a rock and a hard place, were not getting out of our debt levels without big inflation, that means higher prices. Inflation is just another tax only it's a hidden one | |||
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" My rule of thumb for buying shit, is don't rely on eu standards " Great analysis for dodgy British builders buying the tools of their trade. However, when it comes to buying foodstuffs, that need to be processed in clean environments, that we need to ensure won't cause illness or poisoning, that need to be grown without the use of dangerous chemicals, I think I'll stick with EU standards. Oh, and with pharmaceuticals, chemicals, cars, electronic devices......... | |||
"The thing that will swing it is finding out that the anticipated cap on mobile roaming charges won't be applied if we leave the EU. ". Well if that's all it takes... Maybe pope francis was right | |||
"One thing I will bet you. Those interest rates aren't going anywhere regardless" You must be one of only a few UK builders with a degree in Economics. Will your next job be with Mark Carney at The Bank of England? Maybe just initially a position on the Monetary Policy Committee? | |||
" My rule of thumb for buying shit, is don't rely on eu standards Great analysis for dodgy British builders buying the tools of their trade. However, when it comes to buying foodstuffs, that need to be processed in clean environments, that we need to ensure won't cause illness or poisoning, that need to be grown without the use of dangerous chemicals, I think I'll stick with EU standards. Oh, and with pharmaceuticals, chemicals, cars, electronic devices........." . You mean like Mars pasta sauce!. Look around you, your being dishonest as the rest of you don't admit they sell any load of shite to anyone, the standards these days are pointless, yes it meets this or that.... Don't mean it's not going to burn your house down, it just means that it meets the 300 watt limit. It's bollocks it's not what it says on the tin and never has been, it's a con job of the highest order. 100% of Chinese shit makes the standard and it's wank, we've all bought it, we know it's wank, no facts or figures is going to sway our opinion of what we know | |||
"One thing I will bet you. Those interest rates aren't going anywhere regardless You must be one of only a few UK builders with a degree in Economics. Will your next job be with Mark Carney at The Bank of England? Maybe just initially a position on the Monetary Policy Committee?" . What makes you think mark Carney knows what he's on about, in his last job he oversaw the biggest bubble in Canadian history thats ended up going terrible!. This belief that people at the top know what their doing is the reason we're in the shit we are | |||
"i will vote out, so if the wife. this country would be better without the eu telling us what we can and cant do. we also save money yes at the beginning if we get out, there will be issues but give it a few months or so it will be better, wages would increase, bills lower. yes the eu will try to bribe us, into saying they will increase are trade costs with them, but we import more from elsewhere than the eu. there are alternatives if they do that, we can get it from other countrys in the world. look at Norway they are not in European union." Yes, you really should go look at Norway. Decided not to join, realised the needed to trade with the largest economic block in the world that was next door to them and ended up paying almost as much as we do per head for the right. And they have to accept EU rules without having any say in what they are. Yes, look at Norway. Please. | |||
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" My rule of thumb for buying shit, is don't rely on eu standards Great analysis for dodgy British builders buying the tools of their trade. However, when it comes to buying foodstuffs, that need to be processed in clean environments, that we need to ensure won't cause illness or poisoning, that need to be grown without the use of dangerous chemicals, I think I'll stick with EU standards. Oh, and with pharmaceuticals, chemicals, cars, electronic devices.......... You mean like Mars pasta sauce!. Look around you, your being dishonest as the rest of you don't admit they sell any load of shite to anyone, the standards these days are pointless, yes it meets this or that.... Don't mean it's not going to burn your house down, it just means that it meets the 300 watt limit. It's bollocks it's not what it says on the tin and never has been, it's a con job of the highest order. 100% of Chinese shit makes the standard and it's wank, we've all bought it, we know it's wank, no facts or figures is going to sway our opinion of what we know" I am sorry, but Mars pasta sauce is EXACTLY what it says on the tin (well, jar). That is the whole point. And whilst we are on the subject, which country fought to stop standardised health labelling on food across Europe? Unfortunately yet another example of the U.K. getting what it wants in Europe | |||
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"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Why won't it?because all other countries would want free trade in Europe without paying in to the EU club ... Just remind me how much does the USA have to pay to trade with the EU? How much will Canada have to pay? The EU is even negotiating a free trade deal with Japan. If the EU wants to survive in the future it will have to make free trade agreement with the world. Trade tariffs are dwindling as we write these messages soon they will be a thing of the past." That is very true. As Centaur said earlier in the thread. "The EU is an analogue union in a digital age" (world) | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance." You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change | |||
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"I've yet to make up my mind. But one thing is for sure even thou we don't know what Britain will look like if we leave we also do not know what a ever changing Europe will look like if we remain. Romania and Bulgaria being the last countries to join. Turkey only being a matter of time and we aren't sure who will be after them. I've also wondered if Britain voted to remain and following this one of the other strong economies within Europe voted to leave ie Italy for example what impact would that have on the uk. Not because I have made up my mind but because all the pro European union arguments are that if we remain at least we know what we're getting and the reality is a uncertain future lies in both camps. " Again very true. The inners keep telling us that the Brexit would be a leap into the unknown and even I have to admit that there is some truth in that. However staying in also has a hell of a lot of uncertainties. Camerons "new deal" will almost certainly be torn up, Brussels are making noises in that direction already. There is also a possibility that, out of spite, once the referendum is out of the way and Britain is staying in, Brussels will stop pandering and start forcing Britain to accept things like giving up what's left of the rebate, Schengen, ever closer union, and god forbid maybe even the Euro. Will any of that happen? I don't know but neither does anyone else. Lots of uncertainty in both directions. | |||
"I've yet to make up my mind. But one thing is for sure even thou we don't know what Britain will look like if we leave we also do not know what a ever changing Europe will look like if we remain. Romania and Bulgaria being the last countries to join. Turkey only being a matter of time and we aren't sure who will be after them. I've also wondered if Britain voted to remain and following this one of the other strong economies within Europe voted to leave ie Italy for example what impact would that have on the uk. Not because I have made up my mind but because all the pro European union arguments are that if we remain at least we know what we're getting and the reality is a uncertain future lies in both camps. Again very true. The inners keep telling us that the Brexit would be a leap into the unknown and even I have to admit that there is some truth in that. However staying in also has a hell of a lot of uncertainties. Camerons "new deal" will almost certainly be torn up, Brussels are making noises in that direction already. There is also a possibility that, out of spite, once the referendum is out of the way and Britain is staying in, Brussels will stop pandering and start forcing Britain to accept things like giving up what's left of the rebate, Schengen, ever closer union, and god forbid maybe even the Euro. Will any of that happen? I don't know but neither does anyone else. Lots of uncertainty in both directions." the UK has never really fully been part of the EU it just sits on the edge and winges about what's going on .as for the latest agreement being torn up that's just more bull**it from the brexit supporters | |||
"I've yet to make up my mind. But one thing is for sure even thou we don't know what Britain will look like if we leave we also do not know what a ever changing Europe will look like if we remain. Romania and Bulgaria being the last countries to join. Turkey only being a matter of time and we aren't sure who will be after them. I've also wondered if Britain voted to remain and following this one of the other strong economies within Europe voted to leave ie Italy for example what impact would that have on the uk. Not because I have made up my mind but because all the pro European union arguments are that if we remain at least we know what we're getting and the reality is a uncertain future lies in both camps. Again very true. The inners keep telling us that the Brexit would be a leap into the unknown and even I have to admit that there is some truth in that. However staying in also has a hell of a lot of uncertainties. Camerons "new deal" will almost certainly be torn up, Brussels are making noises in that direction already. There is also a possibility that, out of spite, once the referendum is out of the way and Britain is staying in, Brussels will stop pandering and start forcing Britain to accept things like giving up what's left of the rebate, Schengen, ever closer union, and god forbid maybe even the Euro. Will any of that happen? I don't know but neither does anyone else. Lots of uncertainty in both directions.the UK has never really fully been part of the EU it just sits on the edge and winges about what's going on .as for the latest agreement being torn up that's just more bull**it from the brexit supporters " So if that's the case why not just leave? | |||
"I've yet to make up my mind. But one thing is for sure even thou we don't know what Britain will look like if we leave we also do not know what a ever changing Europe will look like if we remain. Romania and Bulgaria being the last countries to join. Turkey only being a matter of time and we aren't sure who will be after them. I've also wondered if Britain voted to remain and following this one of the other strong economies within Europe voted to leave ie Italy for example what impact would that have on the uk. Not because I have made up my mind but because all the pro European union arguments are that if we remain at least we know what we're getting and the reality is a uncertain future lies in both camps. Again very true. The inners keep telling us that the Brexit would be a leap into the unknown and even I have to admit that there is some truth in that. However staying in also has a hell of a lot of uncertainties. Camerons "new deal" will almost certainly be torn up, Brussels are making noises in that direction already. There is also a possibility that, out of spite, once the referendum is out of the way and Britain is staying in, Brussels will stop pandering and start forcing Britain to accept things like giving up what's left of the rebate, Schengen, ever closer union, and god forbid maybe even the Euro. Will any of that happen? I don't know but neither does anyone else. Lots of uncertainty in both directions.the UK has never really fully been part of the EU it just sits on the edge and winges about what's going on .as for the latest agreement being torn up that's just more bull**it from the brexit supporters So if that's the case why not just leave?" why would anyone want to pull the plug and sink our tiny nation ..of course we need to be part of a larger community to survive in the current world economic climate .. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change" €1.70 to the pound? Where are you getting your currency from? When I went to Europe a couple of weeks ago I got €1.21. I've got a spare bit of cash so you give me €5,100 and I'll give you £3,000 | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change €1.70 to the pound? Where are you getting your currency from? When I went to Europe a couple of weeks ago I got €1.21. I've got a spare bit of cash so you give me €5,100 and I'll give you £3,000 " last year before brexit referendum was announced we got 1.42 but impending brexit vote has killed that will only get lower as old Blighty sinks on the world markets .. | |||
"Will European rules generally be more stringent than any UK ones - should we go it alone - for product safety, pollution, Carbon dioxide emissions etc? Some MP mentioned EU cabbage rules in the media. How many words govern cabbages for sale, for example, would you think?" Well the EU is overly focused on co2 for my piking ignoring NOX and particulates (hence VW cheating on the american tests). As a direct impact on quality of life NOX and particulates are more important, co2 focus has driven the push for dirty desil in the uk. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change €1.70 to the pound? Where are you getting your currency from? When I went to Europe a couple of weeks ago I got €1.21. I've got a spare bit of cash so you give me €5,100 and I'll give you £3,000 last year before brexit referendum was announced we got 1.42 but impending brexit vote has killed that will only get lower as old Blighty sinks on the world markets .. " Ffs. Doesn't that make exporting easier and better for business? | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change €1.70 to the pound? Where are you getting your currency from? When I went to Europe a couple of weeks ago I got €1.21. I've got a spare bit of cash so you give me €5,100 and I'll give you £3,000 " At times it has been up to 1.70 yes. Do you not realise that it fluctuates?  | |||
"I've yet to make up my mind. But one thing is for sure even thou we don't know what Britain will look like if we leave we also do not know what a ever changing Europe will look like if we remain. Romania and Bulgaria being the last countries to join. Turkey only being a matter of time and we aren't sure who will be after them. I've also wondered if Britain voted to remain and following this one of the other strong economies within Europe voted to leave ie Italy for example what impact would that have on the uk. Not because I have made up my mind but because all the pro European union arguments are that if we remain at least we know what we're getting and the reality is a uncertain future lies in both camps. " Brexit Project Fear keep in mentioning Turkey joining the EU. For a new member to join, existing members have to vote UNANIMOUSLY to allow them in. So, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Turkey to join the EU - unless your democratically elected government (and 27 others) wants it to happen | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change €1.70 to the pound? Where are you getting your currency from? When I went to Europe a couple of weeks ago I got €1.21. I've got a spare bit of cash so you give me €5,100 and I'll give you £3,000 At times it has been up to 1.70 yes. Do you not realise that it fluctuates? "Yes I do. I am talking about what it has fluctuated to now. It's not been €1.70 to the pound for years | |||
"I've yet to make up my mind. But one thing is for sure even thou we don't know what Britain will look like if we leave we also do not know what a ever changing Europe will look like if we remain. Romania and Bulgaria being the last countries to join. Turkey only being a matter of time and we aren't sure who will be after them. I've also wondered if Britain voted to remain and following this one of the other strong economies within Europe voted to leave ie Italy for example what impact would that have on the uk. Not because I have made up my mind but because all the pro European union arguments are that if we remain at least we know what we're getting and the reality is a uncertain future lies in both camps. Brexit Project Fear keep in mentioning Turkey joining the EU. For a new member to join, existing members have to vote UNANIMOUSLY to allow them in. So, it is IMPOSSIBLE for Turkey to join the EU - unless your democratically elected government (and 27 others) wants it to happen" Are you saying you've agreed with all government decisions in the past? for me though more than turkey the current ukraine issue is a worry. Closer does does not seem a smart move in the current climate. And add we've seen in the netherlands weith Thier referendum on the issue the government of a nation does not always agree with the people | |||
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"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change €1.70 to the pound? Where are you getting your currency from? When I went to Europe a couple of weeks ago I got €1.21. I've got a spare bit of cash so you give me €5,100 and I'll give you £3,000 last year before brexit referendum was announced we got 1.42 but impending brexit vote has killed that will only get lower as old Blighty sinks on the world markets .. " The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6. The main reason for the Pound's weakness after 2008 was quantitative easing (money printing to you and me) by the bank of England which weakened the pound and it briefly hit a low of around 1.06/7 in, I think, 2010 (but without looking up the exact date I could be a year out either way) Brexit uncertainty maybe contributing a cent or two to the rate but nothing more. Anyone who thinks that a possible Brexit has had any major effect on the Euro/Pound exchange rate should take a look at the Euro/USD rate for a similar period and explain that one away. | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leave Actually, absolutely not. You've been taken in again. The EU hasn't tinkered at all. Thank you for sharing your view that trade will be unaffected if we decide to come out. It's strange though as a number of trade negotiators - people who have actually done trade negotiations - have said that it will be affected. Could you just share with the rest of us your experience of conducting trade negotiations that allow you to have such a firm opinion on this issue? Thanks in advance. You are the one who has been taken in. You are either blind or completely round the twist. Yes I have done business in the EU, I used to have a business there and still have a house in Spain. What have you done that makes you some kind of expert? All the talk of tariff's etc is bollocks. Since the Euro came in for example its value has gone from €1.07 to €1.70 to the pound so if trade was ever going to be affected it would be more so by the exchange rates, not by what some tit in Brussels decides. There has been a lot of mention of Stockholm Syndrome and I really am starting to see it. Think for yourself for a change €1.70 to the pound? Where are you getting your currency from? When I went to Europe a couple of weeks ago I got €1.21. I've got a spare bit of cash so you give me €5,100 and I'll give you £3,000 last year before brexit referendum was announced we got 1.42 but impending brexit vote has killed that will only get lower as old Blighty sinks on the world markets .. The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6. The main reason for the Pound's weakness after 2008 was quantitative easing (money printing to you and me) by the bank of England which weakened the pound and it briefly hit a low of around 1.06/7 in, I think, 2010 (but without looking up the exact date I could be a year out either way) Brexit uncertainty maybe contributing a cent or two to the rate but nothing more. Anyone who thinks that a possible Brexit has had any major effect on the Euro/Pound exchange rate should take a look at the Euro/USD rate for a similar period and explain that one away. " the euro dolar rat can be explained like the pound dolar rate the world money markets don't think it will be good either for Europe or the UK to part company ...and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ..and your wrong an brexit vote will have and already is having a massive affect on exchange rates ..even a lethargic budget has an effect in it .. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ..." The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post." its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it " OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. " right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. | |||
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"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. " Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave? | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?" and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person will be worse of .. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. " The pound "plummeted" in 2008/9 and reached a low of around 1.06/7. It slowly recovered to around 1.20 (less than it is today) in April/May 2014 and to 1.27 by the end of the year (around the same as today) The pounds value increased sharply against the Euro (or the Euro devalued sharply against the pound, whichever you prefer) through the early part of 2015 peaking at 1.44 in July Which was after the Swiss removed the pegging in January and also after Cameron won the UK election in May with the referendum promise well and truly on the table. It was still at 1.42 as late as November last year when speculation about the referendum date was all over the news. The referendum date was announced on the 20th February 2016 yet the pound had already dropped to 1.28 by the 9th Feb. On the 20th (announcement day) it closed at 1.29 and admittedly it did drop to 1.26 by the 25th but had recovered to 1.29 by March 2nd. Today it is at 1.27 (give or take a tenth of a cent) Continuing pressure on interest rates and quantitative easing have had much more effect on the value of Sterling/Euro than any Brexit speculation. You only have to look at the dates. See the graph here. http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=2Y | |||
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"Unless our government make deals with these countries individually. Don't forget dodgy Dave is the great negotiator " You cant negotiate individually with eu nations. Thats kinda the whole point of it | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .." Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off eh | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person will be worse of .." Methinks someone is trying to have it both ways here. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off eh" not sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off ehnot sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .." Which is why when we leave, tradewise things will be pretty much the same You mention holidays, but how come now I can get a flight to Spain from anywhere between 30 quid and 200? Its about supply and demand not exchange rates or tariffs | |||
" Just remind me how much does the USA have to pay to trade with the EU? How much will Canada have to pay? The EU is even negotiating a free trade deal with Japan. If the EU wants to survive in the future it will have to make free trade agreement with the world. Trade tariffs are dwindling as we write these messages soon they will be a thing of the past.as a rough guide its 22% of the items value to import from one of the countries you mentioned ..to import from europe to uk or uk to Europe at the present time is 0% this will change when we are not part of the eu" Sorry but you are misinformed. Small business have to pay 15% to trade in EU countries at present. When we exit Germany and France will make certain that there are no tariffs between them & the UK even if a few of the smaller countries try to introduce tarrifs but that would be cutting their own throats as we would put a tarrif on their goods in return. Tarrifs are 20th century in the 21st century tarrifs are being abolished | |||
" Just remind me how much does the USA have to pay to trade with the EU? How much will Canada have to pay? The EU is even negotiating a free trade deal with Japan. If the EU wants to survive in the future it will have to make free trade agreement with the world. Trade tariffs are dwindling as we write these messages soon they will be a thing of the past.as a rough guide its 22% of the items value to import from one of the countries you mentioned ..to import from europe to uk or uk to Europe at the present time is 0% this will change when we are not part of the eu Sorry but you are misinformed. Small business have to pay 15% to trade in EU countries at present. When we exit Germany and France will make certain that there are no tariffs between them & the UK even if a few of the smaller countries try to introduce tarrifs but that would be cutting their own throats as we would put a tarrif on their goods in return. Tarrifs are 20th century in the 21st century tarrifs are being abolished" I take it you are talking about non EU countries importing into the eu and not eu countries moving goods between.. member nations | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off ehnot sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .. Which is why when we leave, tradewise things will be pretty much the same You mention holidays, but how come now I can get a flight to Spain from anywhere between 30 quid and 200? Its about supply and demand not exchange rates or tariffs" blimey its hard to get through to some people right I rent my holiday for 450 euros per week that will now cost you more in pounds than it did last year ..its simple maths ..when you exchange your spending money you will get less euros for your pound again simple maths will work it out for you so a lower pound will mean more expensive holidays its not about supply and demand | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off ehnot sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .. Which is why when we leave, tradewise things will be pretty much the same You mention holidays, but how come now I can get a flight to Spain from anywhere between 30 quid and 200? Its about supply and demand not exchange rates or tariffsblimey its hard to get through to some people right I rent my holiday for 450 euros per week that will now cost you more in pounds than it did last year ..its simple maths ..when you exchange your spending money you will get less euros for your pound again simple maths will work it out for you so a lower pound will mean more expensive holidays its not about supply and demand " And the year before that it cost even more when the euro was at 1.14 didn't it? Before there was any talk of a referendum. Did the figure of 450 come from the top of your head or is it the going rate due to supply and demand? | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off ehnot sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .. Which is why when we leave, tradewise things will be pretty much the same You mention holidays, but how come now I can get a flight to Spain from anywhere between 30 quid and 200? Its about supply and demand not exchange rates or tariffsblimey its hard to get through to some people right I rent my holiday for 450 euros per week that will now cost you more in pounds than it did last year ..its simple maths ..when you exchange your spending money you will get less euros for your pound again simple maths will work it out for you so a lower pound will mean more expensive holidays its not about supply and demand And the year before that it cost even more when the euro was at 1.14 didn't it? Before there was any talk of a referendum. Did the figure of 450 come from the top of your head or is it the going rate due to supply and demand?" people charge what they want from ther villas over here ranging from 500 per month to around 1000 euros per week ..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound during the last uk down turn ..it did drop slightly during the Scottish referendum ..again money markets get jittery because they don't like uncertainty or change .. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off ehnot sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .. Which is why when we leave, tradewise things will be pretty much the same You mention holidays, but how come now I can get a flight to Spain from anywhere between 30 quid and 200? Its about supply and demand not exchange rates or tariffsblimey its hard to get through to some people right I rent my holiday for 450 euros per week that will now cost you more in pounds than it did last year ..its simple maths ..when you exchange your spending money you will get less euros for your pound again simple maths will work it out for you so a lower pound will mean more expensive holidays its not about supply and demand And the year before that it cost even more when the euro was at 1.14 didn't it? Before there was any talk of a referendum. Did the figure of 450 come from the top of your head or is it the going rate due to supply and demand?people charge what they want from ther villas over here ranging from 500 per month to around 1000 euros per week ..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound during the last uk down turn ..it did drop slightly during the Scottish referendum ..again money markets get jittery because they don't like uncertainty or change .." People don't charge what they want they charge what they can get. I have an apartment in Spain and send money over regularly to cover direct debit amenities charges so I keep a close eye on exchange rates and can remember well when it was down to 1.14 a couple of years ago. As someone else above pointed out it went below that even when quantative easing was introduced. The rates will always vary but if the pound is permanently low then rental rates will come down to what people can afford or are willing to pay. And a bit less cash to spend on holiday beers is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things | |||
"I hope it's not an excuse for me to be sold unsafe or subpar goods. I like decent standards, it stops me from getting mugged off by dodgy companies. The EU regulations didn't stop horse meat getting into products on supermarket shelves a few years ago did it. The EU doesn't appear to be doing a very good job of it. " You're being unfair there mate, the problem had nothing to do with the regs or where they came from. EU or UK regs, they'd still have been beaten in this case. | |||
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"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off ehnot sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .. Which is why when we leave, tradewise things will be pretty much the same You mention holidays, but how come now I can get a flight to Spain from anywhere between 30 quid and 200? Its about supply and demand not exchange rates or tariffsblimey its hard to get through to some people right I rent my holiday for 450 euros per week that will now cost you more in pounds than it did last year ..its simple maths ..when you exchange your spending money you will get less euros for your pound again simple maths will work it out for you so a lower pound will mean more expensive holidays its not about supply and demand And the year before that it cost even more when the euro was at 1.14 didn't it? Before there was any talk of a referendum. Did the figure of 450 come from the top of your head or is it the going rate due to supply and demand?people charge what they want from ther villas over here ranging from 500 per month to around 1000 euros per week ..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound during the last uk down turn ..it did drop slightly during the Scottish referendum ..again money markets get jittery because they don't like uncertainty or change .. People don't charge what they want they charge what they can get. I have an apartment in Spain and send money over regularly to cover direct debit amenities charges so I keep a close eye on exchange rates and can remember well when it was down to 1.14 a couple of years ago. As someone else above pointed out it went below that even when quantative easing was introduced. The rates will always vary but if the pound is permanently low then rental rates will come down to what people can afford or are willing to pay. And a bit less cash to spend on holiday beers is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things" I'm surprised you can be so blasé with how much the exchange can affect people rental rates for many wont come down it is either viable ro rent out or its not ..we wouldn't rent out less than 450 per week after you take out expenses not worth the hassle of doing it ..plus it's not only people spending the pound renting so why would we lower it if people using the euro will rent it its people using the pound who will suffer .. | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ... I can read social history so am not entirely ignorant - although I think the economic benefits of joining the EEC were more than wiped out by OPEC quadrupling the oil price. The EU has changed both in size, meaning and nature from 1973 to 2016, I might take that into account instead. an ever growing Europe surely must be better.to help fend of the impact the rest of the world has upon us .. Europe can not be 'ever growing' in its current state because there are a finite number of countries. 'Surely'.....not sure at all. Nothing is certain. I'm assuming you mean 'negative impact'? Other countries are not in Europe and do quite happily. so witch other small island nations are we talking about doing well ..large nations or nations with large mineral deposits will keep doing well a small island nation with virtually no natural deposits or manufacturing base of its own will have to rely on handouts from the rest of the world in order to survive if we are no longer part of a greater alliance .." It isn't a necessity to be an island and not to be in the EU to be successful. I'm sure there is one, but YOU do the research. You think the UK will have to rely on 'handouts' from the rest of the world if we are not in the EU? 
I'll leave the 'discussion' at this point I think because as much as I like reading fantasy, a thread on the EU is not where I expect to see it. | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ... I can read social history so am not entirely ignorant - although I think the economic benefits of joining the EEC were more than wiped out by OPEC quadrupling the oil price. The EU has changed both in size, meaning and nature from 1973 to 2016, I might take that into account instead. an ever growing Europe surely must be better.to help fend of the impact the rest of the world has upon us .. Europe can not be 'ever growing' in its current state because there are a finite number of countries. 'Surely'.....not sure at all. Nothing is certain. I'm assuming you mean 'negative impact'? Other countries are not in Europe and do quite happily. so witch other small island nations are we talking about doing well ..large nations or nations with large mineral deposits will keep doing well a small island nation with virtually no natural deposits or manufacturing base of its own will have to rely on handouts from the rest of the world in order to survive if we are no longer part of a greater alliance .. It isn't a necessity to be an island and not to be in the EU to be successful. I'm sure there is one, but YOU do the research. You think the UK will have to rely on 'handouts' from the rest of the world if we are not in the EU?
I'll leave the 'discussion' at this point I think because as much as I like reading fantasy, a thread on the EU is not where I expect to see it. "its you who are in fantasy my friend the comment about handouts from the rest of the world was made by barrack Obama when asked about the UK position if it left the umbrella of Europe | |||
"I think if the UK votes to leave the EU then they will vote yes to join the Rebel Alliance. " Right before mr tusk dissolves the union to create the first european empire......his resolve has never been stronger  | |||
"Currency fluctuation is part and parcel of a world economy - what goes down, goes up....the economy will recover from a short term negative impact I think. Money talks. yep in around 30 yrs according to the financial experts if we leave and around 10 if we stay in ...all because people think the grass is greener on the other side .. Ah....but now we enter the twilight fog of predicting the future. That's the game here isn't it? 30years out, 10 years in....remarkably accurate. Unlike what the IMF predicted when the UK didn't have the Euro....just because people SAY something will happen, doesn't mean to say it will. The Cameron leaflet says 'it is the governments' judgement...' but they have got things wrong before.....ill judged, in fact. I may as well decide which way to vote depending on how many red or blue cars I see on the way to the polling booth rather than consider carefully the scaremongering mushroom food I read about it all. you could if you wish ..my vote will be decided by how much better life has become since joining the eec in 1973 ..dark days before then ...but your probably to young to remember prefer eec days ... I can read social history so am not entirely ignorant - although I think the economic benefits of joining the EEC were more than wiped out by OPEC quadrupling the oil price. The EU has changed both in size, meaning and nature from 1973 to 2016, I might take that into account instead. an ever growing Europe surely must be better.to help fend of the impact the rest of the world has upon us .. Europe can not be 'ever growing' in its current state because there are a finite number of countries. 'Surely'.....not sure at all. Nothing is certain. I'm assuming you mean 'negative impact'? Other countries are not in Europe and do quite happily. so witch other small island nations are we talking about doing well ..large nations or nations with large mineral deposits will keep doing well a small island nation with virtually no natural deposits or manufacturing base of its own will have to rely on handouts from the rest of the world in order to survive if we are no longer part of a greater alliance .. It isn't a necessity to be an island and not to be in the EU to be successful. I'm sure there is one, but YOU do the research. You think the UK will have to rely on 'handouts' from the rest of the world if we are not in the EU?
I'll leave the 'discussion' at this point I think because as much as I like reading fantasy, a thread on the EU is not where I expect to see it. its you who are in fantasy my friend the comment about handouts from the rest of the world was made by barrack Obama when asked about the UK position if it left the umbrella of Europe "He's the expert on the UK/EU future - pity he's off in November. | |||
"..and it wasn't a high euro when you get a 1.41 to the pound exchange rate that's a low euro ... The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. I take it you didn't fully read and/or understand that part of my post.its you who doesn't understand your own post when you get 1.41 euros for every pound you convert that's a low euro ..when you get 1 pound for every euro that's a high euro ..just take a minute and think about it OK for clarity I will include the next paragraph from my post and take it line by line. "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum. The Euro had been artificially strong against all major currencies because the Swiss pegged the value of their Franc against it. Having what is regarded as the world strongest currency pegged to yours can work wonders on international markets. In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been. It soon settled to around 1.30 and is now 1.25/6." "The Euro had been (notice "had been") artificially strong" That was when it was pegged to the Swiss Franc. "In January last year the Swiss removed the pegging and the Euro went into freefall and for a while and ended up weaker than it should have been" That is when it was at 1.42. It weakened "after" the Swiss removed the pegging. With me so far? "The peak of 1.42 (ish) last year had nothing to do with Brexit or any referendum". This was a separate paragraph and only stated what the peak was and didn't offer an explanation in itself. Not at any point did I say that 1.42 was a strong Euro. If English isn't your first language I apologise. right time to remove your ear plugs out...head out of the sand and listen the value of the pound didn't start to plummet until the UK government announced the date of the brexit vote .now if the world money markets liked the idea of a go it alone uk the pound would have increased ..but guess what it didn't it still continues to fall against all world currencies. So yes mention of uk leaving or staying has an effect in the pound .. Well if that is the case won't a slightly weaker pound help exports and negate the effects of any tariffs that are supposedly going to be applied to our goods when we leave?and push up the cost of imports we export 10% to the EU and import 40 % from eu then there's the extra cost burden to anyone holidaying abroad or transferring funds ..do the maths the average uk person w ill be worse of .. Oh, so what you are saying then is that the EU needs us more than we need them. We might even get to earn more money so that the average person is better off ehnot sure how your thinking of earning more comes from but yes as a country to export to the EU needs us or you could look at it we need to buy coal gas food ect we need them .. Which is why when we leave, tradewise things will be pretty much the same You mention holidays, but how come now I can get a flight to Spain from anywhere between 30 quid and 200? Its about supply and demand not exchange rates or tariffsblimey its hard to get through to some people right I rent my holiday for 450 euros per week that will now cost you more in pounds than it did last year ..its simple maths ..when you exchange your spending money you will get less euros for your pound again simple maths will work it out for you so a lower pound will mean more expensive holidays its not about supply and demand And the year before that it cost even more when the euro was at 1.14 didn't it? Before there was any talk of a referendum. Did the figure of 450 come from the top of your head or is it the going rate due to supply and demand?people charge what they want from ther villas over here ranging from 500 per month to around 1000 euros per week ..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound during the last uk down turn ..it did drop slightly during the Scottish referendum ..again money markets get jittery because they don't like uncertainty or change .. People don't charge what they want they charge what they can get. I have an apartment in Spain and send money over regularly to cover direct debit amenities charges so I keep a close eye on exchange rates and can remember well when it was down to 1.14 a couple of years ago. As someone else above pointed out it went below that even when quantative easing was introduced. The rates will always vary but if the pound is permanently low then rental rates will come down to what people can afford or are willing to pay. And a bit less cash to spend on holiday beers is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of thingsI'm surprised you can be so blasé with how much the exchange can affect people rental rates for many wont come down it is either viable ro rent out or its not ..we wouldn't rent out less than 450 per week after you take out expenses not worth the hassle of doing it ..plus it's not only people spending the pound renting so why would we lower it if people using the euro will rent it its people using the pound who will suffer .." And it's occupied for 52 weeks a year I presume then  | |||
"One thing I will bet you. Those interest rates aren't going anywhere regardless You must be one of only a few UK builders with a degree in Economics. Will your next job be with Mark Carney at The Bank of England? Maybe just initially a position on the Monetary Policy Committee?. What makes you think mark Carney knows what he's on about, in his last job he oversaw the biggest bubble in Canadian history thats ended up going terrible!. This belief that people at the top know what their doing is the reason we're in the shit we are" that is an interesting spin on what mark carney has actually done.... you know he gets a lot on credit in canada for the monetary position the BoC (bank of canada) took... which means that even though canada was in recession like the rest of the world... theres was actually nowhere near as bad as Europe, the UK and the far east... they actually rode it out a lot better than most countries... oh... and since the canada trade deal with the EU is the new flavour of the month with the "brexiters".... I hope you do know that trade deal has taken 8 years of negioiations to get this far (and its still not technically finished).... so if you thing the UK is going to get the same deal done in 2 years..... the word "potty" springs to mind...... | |||
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" a quote from from Rupert Murdoch on the difference between parliament and the EU "when i walk into Downing street they do as i say " "when i walk into the EU they ignore me " make of that what you will " so which way do you think the murdoch supporting press will come out on the side of......
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"Norway seem to be doing just fine." They are. But they pay almost as much as we pay to the EU per head, even though they are not in the EU because they don't want the devastating impact on their economy of not having access to the EU single market (undermining the 'get out of the EU and get our money back' Brexit argument and the 'get out because we can trade just the same and not pay anything to the EU' argument) Then they have to accept most EU rules, though they have no say in them at all (which if you are a Brexiter and care deeply about a supposed democratic deficiency in the EU, must be a massive issue for you). Unless of course you just want to ignore the facts. | |||
" a quote from from Rupert Murdoch on the difference between parliament and the EU "when i walk into Downing street they do as i say " "when i walk into the EU they ignore me " make of that what you will " Brilliant quote. Thank you for sharing. | |||
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"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ..." Except that we never joined the EU...we joined a "common market" because at the time the world was full of trade barriers and tariffs. We needed to set up a free trade area. The whole world has changed now...there are global free trade agreements everywhere which didn't previously exist. They now exist because so many companies are now multinational and so trade barriers and tariffs simply won't and cannot work in the majority of cases. We are told by project fear that three million UK jobs depend on free trade and exports to the EU. This is (partly) true. But if you consider our balance of payments with the rest of the EU there are over 12 million EU jobs which depend on free trade and imports into UK from Europe. That's it....that's all we need to know. Trade will continue exactly as it is .... Re-negotiate trade deals? No. They will remain exactly as they are or with 15 million jobs gone in Europe the whole continent and the Euro dream goes Disney the pan! | |||
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"Down the pan.....didn't spot that typo/auto correct!" I quite liked the original Euro dream going Disney.... | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Except that we never joined the EU...we joined a "common market" because at the time the world was full of trade barriers and tariffs. We needed to set up a free trade area. The whole world has changed now...there are global free trade agreements everywhere which didn't previously exist. They now exist because so many companies are now multinational and so trade barriers and tariffs simply won't and cannot work in the majority of cases. We are told by project fear that three million UK jobs depend on free trade and exports to the EU. This is (partly) true. But if you consider our balance of payments with the rest of the EU there are over 12 million EU jobs which depend on free trade and imports into UK from Europe. That's it....that's all we need to know. Trade will continue exactly as it is .... Re-negotiate trade deals? No. They will remain exactly as they are or with 15 million jobs gone in Europe the whole continent and the Euro dream goes Disney the pan!" | |||
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"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Except that we never joined the EU...we joined a "common market" because at the time the world was full of trade barriers and tariffs. We needed to set up a free trade area. The whole world has changed now...there are global free trade agreements everywhere which didn't previously exist. They now exist because so many companies are now multinational and so trade barriers and tariffs simply won't and cannot work in the majority of cases. We are told by project fear that three million UK jobs depend on free trade and exports to the EU. This is (partly) true. But if you consider our balance of payments with the rest of the EU there are over 12 million EU jobs which depend on free trade and imports into UK from Europe. That's it....that's all we need to know. Trade will continue exactly as it is .... Re-negotiate trade deals? No. They will remain exactly as they are or with 15 million jobs gone in Europe the whole continent and the Euro dream goes Disney the pan! " | |||
"So basically we follow all the guidelines we need to anyway, the EU just likes to tinker with things to justify its existence and create non jobs for people. Trade with Europe won't be affected in any meaningful way when we leavedream on if you think trade will continue the same uf we leave ..trade was the reason we joined in the70's ... Except that we never joined the EU...we joined a "common market" because at the time the world was full of trade barriers and tariffs. We needed to set up a free trade area. The whole world has changed now...there are global free trade agreements everywhere which didn't previously exist. They now exist because so many companies are now multinational and so trade barriers and tariffs simply won't and cannot work in the majority of cases. We are told by project fear that three million UK jobs depend on free trade and exports to the EU. This is (partly) true. But if you consider our balance of payments with the rest of the EU there are over 12 million EU jobs which depend on free trade and imports into UK from Europe. That's it....that's all we need to know. Trade will continue exactly as it is .... Re-negotiate trade deals? No. They will remain exactly as they are or with 15 million jobs gone in Europe the whole continent and the Euro dream goes Disney the pan! "free world trade !!!!! Think you must live on planet utopia...look at import tarifas in china for example up to 45% on cars alone and that includes shipping costs get real we will not get all the benefits of eu membership without paying in .. Otherwise why would Norway pay in and yet not have a say as to what goes on at the very least a deal like Norway is what we will end up with !!! | |||
"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound " I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14. | |||
"It's worth listening to More or Less on the EU cabbage words myth: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03q39mf IPPR has produced a neutral report on Freedom of Movement and the EU Referendum. There was also a top five EU destinations for Brits choosing to leave and live in other EU countries yesterday on the R4 PM show. " We have similar tastes - I was listening to that podcast the other day, which prompted this post. It's an interesting example of how these stories and exaggerations become converted to be truths. In some people's minds. | |||
"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14." yahoo gives it 1.2in August 2013 ok so I was .01 over | |||
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"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14.yahoo gives it 1.2in August 2013 ok so I was .01 over " Nope. 1.14220 1st Aug 2013. It peaked for the month at 1.17245 on the 30th. Try again. | |||
"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14.yahoo gives it 1.2in August 2013 ok so I was .01 over Nope. 1.14220 1st Aug 2013. It peaked for the month at 1.17245 on the 30th. Try again." That was nearly three years ago...with no threat of Brexit. It is higher now that there is a threat....so your point is? (Or could it be that dozens of other factors are far more important in varying exchange rates?) | |||
"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14.yahoo gives it 1.2in August 2013 ok so I was .01 over Nope. 1.14220 1st Aug 2013. It peaked for the month at 1.17245 on the 30th. Try again. That was nearly three years ago...with no threat of Brexit. It is higher now that there is a threat....so your point is? (Or could it be that dozens of other factors are far more important in varying exchange rates?)" My point is exactly that. It is the other poster that is trying (and failing) to prove that Brexit is to blame. | |||
"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14.yahoo gives it 1.2in August 2013 ok so I was .01 over Nope. 1.14220 1st Aug 2013. It peaked for the month at 1.17245 on the 30th. Try again. That was nearly three years ago...with no threat of Brexit. It is higher now that there is a threat....so your point is? (Or could it be that dozens of other factors are far more important in varying exchange rates?) My point is exactly that. It is the other poster that is trying (and failing) to prove that Brexit is to blame." many factors influence the exchange rate but a lot of them are concerned with instability and change .an impending election or a budget .and most definitely a referendum on EU membership ..the Scottish referendum had an effect on the exchange rate you are most certainly in denial if you believe a yes or no vote will not have n effect on the exchange rate .. | |||
"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14.yahoo gives it 1.2in August 2013 ok so I was .01 over Nope. 1.14220 1st Aug 2013. It peaked for the month at 1.17245 on the 30th. Try again. That was nearly three years ago...with no threat of Brexit. It is higher now that there is a threat....so your point is? (Or could it be that dozens of other factors are far more important in varying exchange rates?) My point is exactly that. It is the other poster that is trying (and failing) to prove that Brexit is to blame.many factors influence the exchange rate but a lot of them are concerned with instability and change .an impending election or a budget .and most definitely a referendum on EU membership ..the Scottish referendum had an effect on the exchange rate you are most certainly in denial if you believe a yes or no vote will not have n effect on the exchange rate .." If you go back to my earlier post I did say that the Brexit speculation probably is contributing a cent or two to the rate, but certainly not the 20 odd cents you were trying to put forward. I'm also pretty sure that for a few days after an exit vote the pound will take a hit, but as always it will settle down quite quickly. I also remember the doom mongers telling everybody about the disaster that would befall Britain if it didn't join the Euro. Pound in freefall, shrinking economy, economic stagnation Etc. Etc. Enough said. | |||
"..we've kept an eye on the exchange rate for the last 5yrs and have never seen it go below 1.21 to the pound I think you need a new eye. 1st August 2013. 1.14.yahoo gives it 1.2in August 2013 ok so I was .01 over Nope. 1.14220 1st Aug 2013. It peaked for the month at 1.17245 on the 30th. Try again. That was nearly three years ago...with no threat of Brexit. It is higher now that there is a threat....so your point is? (Or could it be that dozens of other factors are far more important in varying exchange rates?) My point is exactly that. It is the other poster that is trying (and failing) to prove that Brexit is to blame.many factors influence the exchange rate but a lot of them are concerned with instability and change .an impending election or a budget .and most definitely a referendum on EU membership ..the Scottish referendum had an effect on the exchange rate you are most certainly in denial if you believe a yes or no vote will not have n effect on the exchange rate .. If you go back to my earlier post I did say that the Brexit speculation probably is contributing a cent or two to the rate, but certainly not the 20 odd cents you were trying to put forward. I'm also pretty sure that for a few days after an exit vote the pound will take a hit, but as always it will settle down quite quickly. I also remember the doom mongers telling everybody about the disaster that would befall Britain if it didn't join the Euro. Pound in freefall, shrinking economy, economic stagnation Etc. Etc. Enough said." whilst I agree the pound will take some sort of hit after the brexit vote .the major contributing factor for the pound to fall against all world currencies at this point in time is the uncertainty caused by the impending brexit vote ..as I previously said money markets don't like instability or change .. | |||
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