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over a year ago
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Do forumites think that the Popes visit to the refugee camps on the Greek Island of Lesbos to show solidarity helps those people? I was just watching the news footage and it seemed to me that the visiting party which were white elderly clergy seemed to look through those who have become nationless. |
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"The fact that they are there highlighting the issue obviously isn't enough for some"
I really didn't think the issue could be highlighted to any greater effect?
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"The fact that they are there highlighting the issue obviously isn't enough for someI really didn't think the issue could be highlighted to any greater effect?"
In a time of sensationalist news hungry media,it's easy for the plight of any unfortunate souls to drop off the list of things to report on.
When's the last time we heard anything on the Ukrainian crisis?
It may not resolve everything but it's an effort. Far better than simply showing empathy online. |
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bet the fact the pope is thinking of them makes them feel so much better....lets hope he takes 200k of the economic migrants home with him.......oh I guess not lets just send them to the uk....those uk pratts will take the scrounging -arstards.. |
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"bet the fact the pope is thinking of them makes them feel so much better....lets hope he takes 200k of the economic migrants home with him.......oh I guess not lets just send them to the uk....those uk pratts will take the scrounging -arstards.."
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you are so right....all my goodwill lost ages ago.....we live in kent and the rest of the uk does not understand the issues here,..nhs,dentists,schools housing,etcetc....all under so much pressure in kent....often due to the thousands arriving in kent and us kent rate payers ,pay for it no help from Cameron and George ....had enough |
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"For those of his faith it will give them hope, support or something..
better than some one lower down the order saying the Pope is thinking of you.."
I suppose given that 90% of those in transit are Muslim its good that the leader of the Christian faith dropping in to say hello shows something. I am just not quite sure what it is? Perhaps if he brought a bag of cash equalling just 1% of the Catholic church world wide wealth that would make the visit worthwhile? |
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I believe that for the first time in a long time, we have a Pope that behaves in a manner that does enormous credit to his Christian beliefs.
I am not religious in any way, but I am enormously proud and humbled by his actions in this area. |
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"For those of his faith it will give them hope, support or something..
better than some one lower down the order saying the Pope is thinking of you..I suppose given that 90% of those in transit are Muslim its good that the leader of the Christian faith dropping in to say hello shows something. I am just not quite sure what it is? Perhaps if he brought a bag of cash equalling just 1% of the Catholic church world wide wealth that would make the visit worthwhile? "
I'm not Catholic and I doubt I've contributed 1% of my wealth to this cause. Have you? |
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"bet the fact the pope is thinking of them makes them feel so much better....lets hope he takes 200k of the economic migrants home with him.......oh I guess not lets just send them to the uk....those uk pratts will take the scrounging -arstards.."
Scrounging? These are displaced people who have suffered terribly. WAKE UP AND HAVE EMPATHY.  |
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"I think he's doing a good thing, at least he's gone. It's what Jesus would have done."
Somehow I think Jesus would have given away some of his stashed-up wealth and shared it out to the needy, rather than offer empty platitudes....
At the very least he'd've made sure there was a decent fish-buffet to go around....
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"yes and if we all run away from a war zone in ww1 and ww2 we would all be german now ...wake up ...take it these people have no guts for a fight"
I wait with anticipation for your indepth explanation of how to fight an incoming missile attack! |
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"For those of his faith it will give them hope, support or something..
better than some one lower down the order saying the Pope is thinking of you..I suppose given that 90% of those in transit are Muslim its good that the leader of the Christian faith dropping in to say hello shows something. I am just not quite sure what it is? Perhaps if he brought a bag of cash equalling just 1% of the Catholic church world wide wealth that would make the visit worthwhile?
I'm not Catholic and I doubt I've contributed 1% of my wealth to this cause. Have you? "
I pay [up to] 50% of my wealth every year as a contribution to society in my personal income tax. So I contribute to the foreign aid budget so yes in proportion to my earning I pay more than 1%. I also provide pro bono services to those who have Landlord and housing problems. So yes I do contribute. The Vatican bank has or holds assets on its balance sheet of $8b. A respondent above said the pope's visit is what Jesus would do. My understanding of the teaching of Jesus was that material possessions were of no consequence or value? I still think a big bag of Vatican cash would help those desperate people. |
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"you are so right....all my goodwill lost ages ago.....we live in kent and the rest of the uk does not understand the issues here,..nhs,dentists,schools housing,etcetc....all under so much pressure in kent....often due to the thousands arriving in kent and us kent rate payers ,pay for it no help from Cameron and George ....had enough"
on the 'cash in hand' thread you said fuck the tax man..
maybe with that sort of attitude therein lies the part of the issue ..
personally i would rather have someone who is happy to contribute coming here as an immigrant than folks with your view on things.. |
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"For those of his faith it will give them hope, support or something..
better than some one lower down the order saying the Pope is thinking of you..I suppose given that 90% of those in transit are Muslim its good that the leader of the Christian faith dropping in to say hello shows something. I am just not quite sure what it is? Perhaps if he brought a bag of cash equalling just 1% of the Catholic church world wide wealth that would make the visit worthwhile? "
a fair point if one is a follower of that faith or shares the ideals therein..
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I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist." |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist.""
Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto. "
Agreed but Francis is trying to change things, using his power and voice to highlight issues that, imo, should be aired.
I'm sure the Curia are praying that his other lung stops working |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
Agreed but Francis is trying to change things, using his power and voice to highlight issues that, imo, should be aired.
I'm sure the Curia are praying that his other lung stops working "
I am sure Franny is trying to change things but the last Pope who advocated radical change was Pope John Paul the first and he lasted 33 days. He has a big job if he is to change an institution that has morals that are unlawful. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto. "
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. |
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"The Catholic Church donated £70 million to charities in 2012. "
The Vatican’s treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. £70m is piss in the ocean.
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. "
 and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring. |
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"Any muslim leaders done owt?
3.8 million refugee's
mainly in 5 countries, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt..
Whats that got to do with it?"
Those countries are taking the burden of trying to feed and shelter these people whom for the most part are fleeing the conflicts caused in part by the political decisions of the west! |
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"Any muslim leaders done owt?
3.8 million refugee's
mainly in 5 countries, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt..
Whats that got to do with it?"
last time i looked they are all predominantly of the Islamic faith so one would have thought that they are being sheltered by amongst other's member's of the 'muslim' community.. |
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"Any muslim leaders done owt?
3.8 million refugee's
mainly in 5 countries, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt..
Whats that got to do with it?Those countries are taking the burden of trying to feed and shelter these people whom for the most part are fleeing the conflicts caused in part by the political decisions of the west!"
I don't think those countries have much choice. So why aren't the wealthy Arab states doing more to take their fellow muslims in? Or are they the wrong type of muslim for them to show any concern towards? |
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"Any muslim leaders done owt?
3.8 million refugee's
mainly in 5 countries, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt..
Whats that got to do with it?Those countries are taking the burden of trying to feed and shelter these people whom for the most part are fleeing the conflicts caused in part by the political decisions of the west!"
this..
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring."
Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world."
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than you |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than you"
He was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button! |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world."
There are undoubtedly many criticisms that can be levelled at the office of The Pope, The Roman Catholic Church and the individual - but why choose this moment to do so?
You describe his actions as a "gesture", but it is one that will be observed and thought about by billions of people of faith and of no faith worldwide. He didn't have to make this "gesture"- and it is one that the vast majority of political leaders have conspicuously failed to make. |
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"I think he's doing a good thing, at least he's gone. It's what Jesus would have done.
Somehow I think Jesus would have given away some of his stashed-up wealth and shared it out to the needy, rather than offer empty platitudes....
At the very least he'd've made sure there was a decent fish-
buffet to go around....
Brilliant
Mr ddc"
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!"
And your point is? |
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"yes and if we all run away from a war zone in ww1 and ww2 we would all be german now ...wake up ...take it these people have no guts for a fight"
The President of Afghanistan Ashraf Ghani did say pretty much the same during an interview on the BBC Hard talk show recently. Ashraf Ghani said himself afghan citizens should not be fleeing to Europe, and Europe is not the answer. We need our citizens to stay and fight the enemy so we can win this war. He also made reference to ww2 and said where would Europe be now if all the British fled to the USA instead of standing their ground and fighting the nazis. I don't think the BBC interviewer likes his answer but that was his opinion. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
There are undoubtedly many criticisms that can be levelled at the office of The Pope, The Roman Catholic Church and the individual - but why choose this moment to do so?
You describe his actions as a "gesture", but it is one that will be observed and thought about by billions of people of faith and of no faith worldwide. He didn't have to make this "gesture"- and it is one that the vast majority of political leaders have conspicuously failed to make."
The moment was because of the visit? |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
And your point is?"
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. "
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"The Catholic Church donated £70 million to charities in 2012. The Vatican’s treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. £70m is piss in the ocean."
That's £70 million a year , every year and rising. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in? "
He is the pope, not president of Argentina. |
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"The Catholic Church donated £70 million to charities in 2012. The Vatican’s treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. £70m is piss in the ocean.
That's £70 million a year , every year and rising. "
Compared to the £3.3billion set a side in the last ten years to pay legal costs and compensation claims arising from child sex abuse claims? I revert back to my ocean statement. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in?
He is the pope, not president of Argentina. "
Still he could make an appeal to his home country. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!"
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
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I'm not a fan of religions.
The catholic church has a long long history of anti Christian values.
I think this pope is probably the most progressive one ever, he's asking the right questions of the church's followers, I'm not sure what the followers answers will be but I don't think he'll like them!. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in?
He is the pope, not president of Argentina.
Still he could make an appeal to his home country. "
He has, he has also taken refugee families into the Vatican. |
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"yes and if we all run away from a war zone in ww1 and ww2 we would all be german now ...wake up ...take it these people have no guts for a fight"
What an utterly stupid statement.
There is no comparison. These people have no side to join, no army to sign up to.
Their own army is bombing there homes and when they run they are slaughtered by armed militia.
There is no option but to get the hell out and if you don't understand that basic reality of this conflict then your opinion is with less than nothing as you clearly have no idea what your talking about. |
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"yes and if we all run away from a war zone in ww1 and ww2 we would all be german now ...wake up ...take it these people have no guts for a fight
What an utterly stupid statement.
There is no comparison. These people have no side to join, no army to sign up to.
Their own army is bombing there homes and when they run they are slaughtered by armed militia.
There is no option but to get the hell out and if you don't understand that basic reality of this conflict then your opinion is with less than nothing as you clearly have no idea what your talking about. "
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It's not a two sided war though?.
It's got at least 5 sides, 8 if you count foreign interest!.
3 of the sides are known to be using Panama tax havens, something in the last thread you were singing the praises of.
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in?
He is the pope, not president of Argentina.
Still he could make an appeal to his home country.
He has, he has also taken refugee families into the Vatican. "
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"yes and if we all run away from a war zone in ww1 and ww2 we would all be german now ...wake up ...take it these people have no guts for a fight
What an utterly stupid statement.
There is no comparison. These people have no side to join, no army to sign up to.
Their own army is bombing there homes and when they run they are slaughtered by armed militia.
There is no option but to get the hell out and if you don't understand that basic reality of this conflict then your opinion is with less than nothing as you clearly have no idea what your talking about. "
Take it you didn't watch the BBC hard talk show with the President of Afghanistan then? He said pretty much the same as the poster you quoted. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
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How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy? |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?"
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in?
He is the pope, not president of Argentina.
Still he could make an appeal to his home country.
He has, he has also taken refugee families into the Vatican. On second thoughts I will just sigh and roll ones eyes!"
You can do as you wish, Thankyou for describing your actions though.
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in?
He is the pope, not president of Argentina.
Still he could make an appeal to his home country.
He has, he has also taken refugee families into the Vatican. On second thoughts I will just sigh and roll ones eyes!
You can do as you wish, Thankyou for describing your actions though.
I've just farted and scratched my scrotum. "
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in?
He is the pope, not president of Argentina.
Still he could make an appeal to his home country.
He has, he has also taken refugee families into the Vatican. On second thoughts I will just sigh and roll ones eyes!
You can do as you wish, Thankyou for describing your actions though.
I've just farted and scratched my scrotum. Well-done you classy!"
It has as much impact as your eye rolling. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
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Then lets get back to the original post. His visit to a refugee centre to say they are not alone was totally worthwhile from a man who is openly opposed to enforcing human rights? |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality.
How many refugees has his home country Argentina taken in?
He is the pope, not president of Argentina.
Still he could make an appeal to his home country.
He has, he has also taken refugee families into the Vatican. On second thoughts I will just sigh and roll ones eyes!
You can do as you wish, Thankyou for describing your actions though.
I've just farted and scratched my scrotum. Well-done you classy!
It has as much impact as your eye rolling. "
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
Then lets get back to the original post. His visit to a refugee centre to say they are not alone was totally worthwhile from a man who is openly opposed to enforcing human rights?"
What's his human right? |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
Then lets get back to the original post. His visit to a refugee centre to say they are not alone was totally worthwhile from a man who is openly opposed to enforcing human rights?"
A you having a go at the pope for visiting the camp and offering families a home at the Vatican, or having a go at him for opposing human rights ?
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Take it you didn't watch the BBC hard talk show with the President of Afghanistan then? He said pretty much the same as the poster you quoted. "
Brewing the president of Afghanistan didn't stop what he was saying from being bullshit.
Put yourself in their shoe.
Your city is bombed I to oblivion by a govt you demonstrated against.
You can't join them.
The other side is made up of many sides, most more extreme than the govt you demonstrated against.
You can't join them.
So tell me what your going to do?
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
Then lets get back to the original post. His visit to a refugee centre to say they are not alone was totally worthwhile from a man who is openly opposed to enforcing human rights?
A you having a go at the pope for visiting the camp and offering families a home at the Vatican, or having a go at him for opposing human rights ?
Or just generally having a moan at the pope ? "
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
Then lets get back to the original post. His visit to a refugee centre to say they are not alone was totally worthwhile from a man who is openly opposed to enforcing human rights?
A you having a go at the pope for visiting the camp and offering families a home at the Vatican, or having a go at him for opposing human rights ?
Or just generally having a moan at the pope ? "
If you read the OP you should glean what the question was? In simple terms I was highlighting the hypocrisy of the visit and questioning the value to those living in a nightmare? |
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Well the whole point of a debate is to discuss openly, opinions on the matter.
In my opinion the Pope is doing the right thing,and I'm unsure why anyone sees negativity in his actions. Could more be done, and things be handled differently? Of course. But if all we do is criticise actions with a positive slant, then we're hardly nurturing positive behaviour. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist.""
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
Then lets get back to the original post. His visit to a refugee centre to say they are not alone was totally worthwhile from a man who is openly opposed to enforcing human rights?
A you having a go at the pope for visiting the camp and offering families a home at the Vatican, or having a go at him for opposing human rights ?
Or just generally having a moan at the pope ? If you read the OP you should glean what the question was? In simple terms I was highlighting the hypocrisy of the visit and questioning the value to those living in a nightmare?"
I'm getting confused, I am by no means a grammar or punctuation nazi but you keep putting question marks in your posts and I can't make head nor tail of them.
Is the above post a series of questions ? Are they rhetorical ? |
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" Well the whole point of a debate is to discuss openly, opinions on the matter.
In my opinion the Pope is doing the right thing,and I'm unsure why anyone sees negativity in his actions. Could more be done, and things be handled differently? Of course. But if all we do is criticise actions with a positive slant, then we're hardly nurturing positive behaviour."
I agree with this, well said. If I'd said that earlier I wouldn't have wasted the last hour making people sigh and roll their eyes. |
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"I'm an atheist. Religion is rubbish imo. I was gonna say that, actually, as holy men go Pope Francis is a pretty good one.
And now I see the debate has descended into an argument about I pay too much tax and brown people shouldn't come over here.
*sighs*
"When I give bread to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no bread they call me a communist."Joe, the OP was a theology based question but it was also aimed at the fact the Catholic Church [in particular] is full of hypocrisy and double standards and the visit of a bunch of white old guys so detached from real life they may as well visit Pluto.
The pope shuns the palatial dwellings at the Vatican and takes a simple room to live in with spars facilities.
He did the same in Argentina where he chose to live amongst his congregation rather in the house provided.
I wouldn't say he was that far detached from reality. and even if he and all in the denomination are,then surely any effort to move forward should be praised. Some wish to see nothing but negativity about a humanitarian crisis and a gesture of caring.Gestures are an intent built on sand. The pope has never had to pay a mortgage, fathered or brought up children (so far as we know) he preaches on contraception when he has no idea of what raising children is about. He continues to preach that homosexuality is a sin and that women cannot be ordained as a priest. He does however live in a six bedroomed house within the walls of the Vatican has a personal household of 25 to provide his every need. I would say he well in touch with the real world.
And where did he grow up and what was his earlier life like? I am sure he has seen more poverty and helped more people than youHe was born In Buenos Aries in Argentina. As bishop and Pope, Francis restated the Church's principle: that homosexual practice is intrinsically immoral, but that every homosexual person should be treated with respect and love. He opposes same-sex marriage, including the 2010 bill to introduce it in Argentina. In July 2010, while the law was under consideration, he wrote a letter to Argentina's cloistered nuns in which he said the Argentine nuclear family could be seriously harmed. He thought that children would face discrimination and lose the development that a father and mother give of which he knows nothing!. He helps loads of people particularly Gay and Lesbian people. He teaches still that contraception is a sin against the unborn and that abortion is legalised murder. He has his Papal finger on the button!
These are the teachings of the Catholic Church , the pope didn't make them up. He wouldn't be the pope if he didn't abide by his churches rules.
How can a man enforce rules that are morally repugnant and in some countries illegal and still think that somehow he is holy?
He can enforce what what he likes, it's his church. It is up to his congregation to then decide whether to follow him or not.
Then lets get back to the original post. His visit to a refugee centre to say they are not alone was totally worthwhile from a man who is openly opposed to enforcing human rights?
A you having a go at the pope for visiting the camp and offering families a home at the Vatican, or having a go at him for opposing human rights ?
Or just generally having a moan at the pope ? If you read the OP you should glean what the question was? In simple terms I was highlighting the hypocrisy of the visit and questioning the value to those living in a nightmare?
I'm getting confused, I am by no means a grammar or punctuation nazi but you keep putting question marks in your posts and I can't make head nor tail of them.
Is the above post a series of questions ? Are they rhetorical ? "
The questions are indeed rhetorical and as far as I can see I pass the punctuation test in using them. Re reading the questions they are very succinct and in reply to your comments. |
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" Well the whole point of a debate is to discuss openly, opinions on the matter.
In my opinion the Pope is doing the right thing,and I'm unsure why anyone sees negativity in his actions. Could more be done, and things be handled differently? Of course. But if all we do is criticise actions with a positive slant, then we're hardly nurturing positive behaviour.
I agree with this, well said. If I'd said that earlier I wouldn't have wasted the last hour making people sigh and roll their eyes. "
Then perhaps you should have read the OP? (Rhetorical) |
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" Well the whole point of a debate is to discuss openly, opinions on the matter.
In my opinion the Pope is doing the right thing,and I'm unsure why anyone sees negativity in his actions. Could more be done, and things be handled differently? Of course. But if all we do is criticise actions with a positive slant, then we're hardly nurturing positive behaviour."
I entirely accept your proposition but I still believe the whole visit is a staged managed stunt and gives the head of organisation who has no place in modern society credence. That is my opinion and was the intention of the post! |
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"Do forumites think that the Popes visit to the refugee camps on the Greek Island of Lesbos to show solidarity helps those people? I was just watching the news footage and it seemed to me that the visiting party which were white elderly clergy seemed to look through those who have become nationless. "
Yes, I do think it helps those people.
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"Do forumites think that the Popes visit to the refugee camps on the Greek Island of Lesbos to show solidarity helps those people? I was just watching the news footage and it seemed to me that the visiting party which were white elderly clergy seemed to look through those who have become nationless.
Yes, I do think it helps those people.
Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican. "
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"Do forumites think that the Popes visit to the refugee camps on the Greek Island of Lesbos to show solidarity helps those people? I was just watching the news footage and it seemed to me that the visiting party which were white elderly clergy seemed to look through those who have become nationless.
Yes, I do think it helps those people.
Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican. You are right you wasted an hour!"
So the opening post wasn't a question then, just a statement on your thoughts. |
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"Do forumites think that the Popes visit to the refugee camps on the Greek Island of Lesbos to show solidarity helps those people? I was just watching the news footage and it seemed to me that the visiting party which were white elderly clergy seemed to look through those who have become nationless.
Yes, I do think it helps those people.
Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican. You are right you wasted an hour!
So the opening post wasn't a question then, just a statement on your thoughts. "
You missed a question mark off the last sentence. It was a question with an observation. When the debate from the original question expanded on the relative merits of the church an the pope as a mode for goodness an light I responded with some facts giving a different opinion. Its called a debating and giving a view. |
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"Do forumites think that the Popes visit to the refugee camps on the Greek Island of Lesbos to show solidarity helps those people? I was just watching the news footage and it seemed to me that the visiting party which were white elderly clergy seemed to look through those who have become nationless.
Yes, I do think it helps those people.
Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican. You are right you wasted an hour!
So the opening post wasn't a question then, just a statement on your thoughts. You missed a question mark off the last sentence. It was a question with an observation. When the debate from the original question expanded on the relative merits of the church an the pope as a mode for goodness an light I responded with some facts giving a different opinion. Its called a debating and giving a view."
Which I have joined in and given my view. |
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"Do forumites think that the Popes visit to the refugee camps on the Greek Island of Lesbos to show solidarity helps those people? I was just watching the news footage and it seemed to me that the visiting party which were white elderly clergy seemed to look through those who have become nationless.
Yes, I do think it helps those people.
Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican. You are right you wasted an hour!
So the opening post wasn't a question then, just a statement on your thoughts. You missed a question mark off the last sentence. It was a question with an observation. When the debate from the original question expanded on the relative merits of the church an the pope as a mode for goodness an light I responded with some facts giving a different opinion. Its called a debating and giving a view.
Which I have joined in and given my view. "
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"Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican"
So when you say "house in the vatican" how is that going to work then. Will they be living a life of luxury as honorary cardinals? will they be expected to convert to catholicism? or cleaning the vatican shithouses?
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""Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican"
So when you say "house in the vatican" how is that going to work then. Will they be living a life of luxury as honorary cardinals? will they be expected to convert to catholicism? or cleaning the vatican shithouses?
Just wonderin'"
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""Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican"
So when you say "house in the vatican" how is that going to work then. Will they be living a life of luxury as honorary cardinals? will they be expected to convert to catholicism? or cleaning the vatican shithouses?
Just wonderin'"
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Take it you didn't watch the BBC hard talk show with the President of Afghanistan then? He said pretty much the same as the poster you quoted.
Brewing the president of Afghanistan didn't stop what he was saying from being bullshit.
Put yourself in their shoe.
Your city is bombed I to oblivion by a govt you demonstrated against.
You can't join them.
The other side is made up of many sides, most more extreme than the govt you demonstrated against.
You can't join them.
So tell me what your going to do?
And don't start a sideways debate that avoids the plain question. What are you gonna do!"
The situation in Syria is complex, different Muslim factions and other groups fighting each other. Would depend on the individuals fleeing which group they are most aligned with as to which one they join. As for the situation in Afghanistan it is not as complex as Syria so I don't think the President of Afghanistan opinion is bullshit as you put it. There are refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and other countries such as Pakistan turning up in Lesbos, although what they are fleeing from in Pakistan I really don't know???? A good number of them are nothing more than economic migrants and should not qualify for refugee status. |
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""Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican"
So when you say "house in the vatican" how is that going to work then. Will they be living a life of luxury as honorary cardinals? will they be expected to convert to catholicism? or cleaning the vatican shithouses?
Just wonderin'
The Vatican is a city. "
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On a separate note, when we were first a-courtin', the future Mrs ddc & I booked a nice b&b nr the cathedral in Lincoln, only to discover it was on-site, run, and entirely staffed by clergy.
You have never heard two unmarried people have sex more slowly and quietly in your entire life.
All while a big silver Jesus looked down from his crucifix on us with a mixture of pain and disbelief...
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""Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican"
On a separate note, when we were first a-courtin', the future Mrs ddc & I booked a nice b&b nr the cathedral in Lincoln, only to discover it was on-site, run, and entirely staffed by clergy.
You have never heard two unmarried people have sex more slowly and quietly in your entire life.
All while a big silver Jesus looked down from his crucifix on us with a mixture of pain and disbelief...
Mr ddc"
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On a separate note, when we were first a-courtin', the future Mrs ddc & I booked a nice b&b nr the cathedral in Lincoln, only to discover it was on-site, run, and entirely staffed by clergy.
You have never heard two unmarried people have sex more slowly and quietly in your entire life.
All while a big silver Jesus looked down from his crucifix on us with a mixture of pain and disbelief...
Mr ddc
What were you doing that even Jesus couldn't believe it ?"
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On a separate note, when we were first a-courtin', the future Mrs ddc & I booked a nice b&b nr the cathedral in Lincoln, only to discover it was on-site, run, and entirely staffed by clergy.
You have never heard two unmarried people have sex more slowly and quietly in your entire life.
All while a big silver Jesus looked down from his crucifix on us with a mixture of pain and disbelief...
Mr ddc
What were you doing that even Jesus couldn't believe it ?"
I was yet to fully throw-off the shackles of my very High-Church, near Catholic upbringing.
I just heard him saying "Look, son, they've nailed me up here on this here cross to remind you to consider your own sins, not commit new ones"
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Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them? |
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?"
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?"
So he is like Madonna............. |
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?"
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?So he is like Madonna............."
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?
We know that. A whole 12. Yippee. What a move."
As I said I was just pointing that out to the person who asked why he hadn't taken any in.
It's twelve more than I've taken in anyway. |
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?
We know that. A whole 12. Yippee. What a move.
As I said I was just pointing that out to the person who asked why he hadn't taken any in.
It's twelve more than I've taken in anyway."
And me. I admit that. He does however head the Catholic church and is in control of trillions of pounds. 12 seems a bit crap really. |
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?
We know that. A whole 12. Yippee. What a move.
As I said I was just pointing that out to the person who asked why he hadn't taken any in.
It's twelve more than I've taken in anyway.
And me. I admit that. He does however head the Catholic church and is in control of trillions of pounds. 12 seems a bit crap really."
I'm not an expert on religion, ethics, morals or anything really but I feel he's made a gesture, a symbolic effort to demonstrate Christian values and I admire that. He has the weight of a thousand or more years of Catholic values bearing down on him, he won't change that over night but he has made a small start. |
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?
We know that. A whole 12. Yippee. What a move.
As I said I was just pointing that out to the person who asked why he hadn't taken any in.
It's twelve more than I've taken in anyway.
And me. I admit that. He does however head the Catholic church and is in control of trillions of pounds. 12 seems a bit crap really.
I'm not an expert on religion, ethics, morals or anything really but I feel he's made a gesture, a symbolic effort to demonstrate Christian values and I admire that. He has the weight of a thousand or more years of Catholic values bearing down on him, he won't change that over night but he has made a small start. "
I am no expert either. I do think 12 is a pretty shit start though. It is not a great beginning. |
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"Why doesn't he n the rest of politicians,clergy etc who seem to be so keen on illegal immigrants invite them to live in their mansions n palaces.....oh because their all talk n don't want to actually have to live with or deal with them?
You know the popes taken six children and six adults back with him I suppose?
We know that. A whole 12. Yippee. What a move.
As I said I was just pointing that out to the person who asked why he hadn't taken any in.
It's twelve more than I've taken in anyway.
And me. I admit that. He does however head the Catholic church and is in control of trillions of pounds. 12 seems a bit crap really.
I'm not an expert on religion, ethics, morals or anything really but I feel he's made a gesture, a symbolic effort to demonstrate Christian values and I admire that. He has the weight of a thousand or more years of Catholic values bearing down on him, he won't change that over night but he has made a small start.
I am no expert either. I do think 12 is a pretty shit start though. It is not a great beginning."
When you consider how many refugees there actually are its a drop in the ocean I agree and his representatives were careful to describe it as a "gesture of welcome" implying that it wasn't an on going thing. I suspect there is a great deal more to it than merely a humble Christian act but if other people take note and move towards sympathy rather than hostility I think it's a good thing. |
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The situation in Syria is complex, different Muslim factions and other groups fighting each other. Would depend on the individuals fleeing which group they are most aligned with as to which one they join. As for the situation in Afghanistan it is not as complex as Syria so I don't think the President of Afghanistan opinion is bullshit as you put it. There are refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and other countries such as Pakistan turning up in Lesbos, although what they are fleeing from in Pakistan I really don't know???? A good number of them are nothing more than economic migrants and should not qualify for refugee status. "
For sure the situation in Syria is complex, far more complex than Afghan which is why. In this context, the presidents comments are bollox.
As for fleeing individuals "joining the group they are most aligned with" seriously!!
So you, literally you, are gonna walk up to a group of Manitoba with no idea who they are and ask them if you can be in their gang? With your wife and kids!
No. You, yes, you, are gonna pick up what you can carry and run like fuck. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
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12 is the same number as the number of disciples and is regarded as a significant biblical number in Orthodox circles - that Jesus chap started with 12 disciples and ended up with a lot more. The fact he took 12 was possibly due to theological reasons more than anything. I could be wrong. I remember having to learn some of this stuff as a way of decoding what early English law codes and charters were all about with their biblical allusions.  |
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"12 is the same number as the number of disciples and is regarded as a significant biblical number in Orthodox circles - that Jesus chap started with 12 disciples and ended up with a lot more. The fact he took 12 was possibly due to theological reasons more than anything. I could be wrong. I remember having to learn some of this stuff as a way of decoding what early English law codes and charters were all about with their biblical allusions. "
Cool. Biblical. But a bleeding low number. |
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The situation in Syria is complex, different Muslim factions and other groups fighting each other. Would depend on the individuals fleeing which group they are most aligned with as to which one they join. As for the situation in Afghanistan it is not as complex as Syria so I don't think the President of Afghanistan opinion is bullshit as you put it. There are refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and other countries such as Pakistan turning up in Lesbos, although what they are fleeing from in Pakistan I really don't know???? A good number of them are nothing more than economic migrants and should not qualify for refugee status.
For sure the situation in Syria is complex, far more complex than Afghan which is why. In this context, the presidents comments are bollox.
As for fleeing individuals "joining the group they are most aligned with" seriously!!
So you, literally you, are gonna walk up to a group of Manitoba with no idea who they are and ask them if you can be in their gang? With your wife and kids!
No. You, yes, you, are gonna pick up what you can carry and run like fuck. "
You seem to be judging others by your own standards it seems. No idea how you could presume to know what I or anyone else for that matter would do in the situation. The only person you could possibly know about is how you, yourself would react in the situation. I also never said anything about women and children staying to fight, so throwing that into the debate is quite frankly nonsense. Seeing as you mention it though there have been several news reports showing many women fighting for the Syrian kurds, so maybe they have more balls than some of the young able bodied men fleeing to Europe. Also as a case in point while many of the native men flee for Europe hundreds of foreign nationals from all over the world have gone to Syria to join up with groups to fight against ISIS. I'm sure if someone from Canada or Germany can go to Syria and find the right group to take up arms with then the native locals should be more than capable of doing the same. |
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Yeah 12 signs of the zodiac with the sun traveling with them... Moses threw a fit because they worshipped the golden calf when we all know it should have been the ram
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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""Especially the families he has promised to house in the Vatican"
So when you say "house in the vatican" how is that going to work then. Will they be living a life of luxury as honorary cardinals? will they be expected to convert to catholicism? or cleaning the vatican shithouses?
Just wonderin'
The Vatican is a city. "
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