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"The wage gap is a myth " Exactly so why are all these feminist sprouting in like victims?! There is no victims! It's just teaching future generations women that they must somehow prove up to the man when reality there is nothing to prove? | |||
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"The wage gap is a myth Exactly so why are all these feminist sprouting in like victims?! There is no victims! It's just teaching future generations women that they must somehow prove up to the man when reality there is nothing to prove?" You pretty much summed it all up there. Feminists need to convince women their victims to keep their hate group relevant | |||
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"The wage gap is a myth Exactly so why are all these feminist sprouting in like victims?! There is no victims! It's just teaching future generations women that they must somehow prove up to the man when reality there is nothing to prove? You pretty much summed it all up there. Feminists need to convince women their victims to keep their hate group relevant " Amen to that! | |||
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"Who said kerplunk? I'm in "Can't beat Kerplunk, its how I lost my marbles... | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose?" No I'm genuinely not. I'm honestly talking about everyday folk in regular jobs. Not CEOS but don't they generally get paid OTT anyway! | |||
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"Who said kerplunk? I'm in
Can't beat Kerplunk, its how I lost my marbles..."This is definely a man's game. Requires logic. Buuuuuuurn  | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? No I'm genuinely not. I'm honestly talking about everyday folk in regular jobs. Not CEOS but don't they generally get paid OTT anyway!" Hold on, so you're excluding CEOs because they don't fit in with your point of females not getting paid lower salaries? How is that balanced? | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? No I'm genuinely not. I'm honestly talking about everyday folk in regular jobs. Not CEOS but don't they generally get paid OTT anyway! Hold on, so you're excluding CEOs because they don't fit in with your point of females not getting paid lower salaries? How is that balanced?" My overall point was there is no difference in pay gap and yes women are different to men. Not better but not worse either. Just different. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose?" Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not?" Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong. | |||
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"Who said kerplunk? I'm in
Can't beat Kerplunk, its how I lost my marbles...
This is definely a man's game. Requires logic. Buuuuuuurn "He said that.... not me (please can I have a worried emoji) | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong." You say that as if it's a bad thing... | |||
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"Men are from earth so are women
Simples "You'd think wouldn't you. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong." Oh so you're just sexist, no point bringing up a discussion, was there? Silly. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not?" No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong." that's because we never normally are  | |||
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"The wage gap is a myth Exactly so why are all these feminist sprouting in like victims?! There is no victims! It's just teaching future generations women that they must somehow prove up to the man when reality there is nothing to prove? You pretty much summed it all up there. Feminists need to convince women their victims to keep their hate group relevant Amen to that!" Where are you finding these 'feminists' tumblr? I wouldn't call any of the women who are in this so called hate group feminists. Read Simone De Beauvoir, she wrote some actual feminist literature. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong. You say that as if it's a bad thing..." WOMEN ARE AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID GREAT AT ARGUING! Fantastic! Arguing was a sport that was made for women. Some women in my work are viscous, proper direct. Just love this trait in you women! Proper little kitchen warriors! | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong." I'm backing down. I admit I was wrong. When I first saw the OP's avatar I thought he was a little bit attractive. Then I read the opening post and realised I was wrong to think that. Ironically me admitting I was wrong also makes the OP wrong... | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. " Who decides how much the CEO earns, regardless of their gender? | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. " Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Who decides how much the CEO earns, regardless of their gender?" Depends on the structure of the company, the CEOs role, the revenue, profits and industry standards. All are easily researchable for yourself. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong. You say that as if it's a bad thing... WOMEN ARE AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID GREAT AT ARGUING! Fantastic! Arguing was a sport that was made for women. Some women in my work are viscous, proper direct. Just love this trait in you women! Proper little kitchen warriors! " For someone looking to meet women, you really don't seem to like them very much. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? " Bang on with that! Wish I was more intelligent! | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? Don't try and reason, women generally only share their own view. As do men but we strop and argue until we admit they are right. Women never back down, never lose face and never ever admit they're wrong. You say that as if it's a bad thing... WOMEN ARE AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID GREAT AT ARGUING! Fantastic! Arguing was a sport that was made for women. Some women in my work are viscous, proper direct. Just love this trait in you women! Proper little kitchen warriors! " Hmmm. Well if my husband will let me have my shoes and unlock the chain fastening me to the sink I have to go and change my pinny so I look fresh for him when I serve dinner so I'll leave you to it. | |||
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"As a woman in a traditionally male post I earn less despite yielding better results and therefore more money for my company than some of my male counterparts. It blows! Apparently until I grow a pair of bollocks there's absolutely nothing I can do. Why? Because 'that's how it is Princess' One day, Princess will become Queen! " Sounds like you should sue them for gender discrimination | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? " The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO" The first two are comparable to their predecessor, Blackmores is comparable to other marketing companies. I can provide further examples if you'd like. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO" Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" " True true and milo also states that women do generally have more time off work and are prone to more family matters where as men aren't. He was being feminist but just stating we have different traits! | |||
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"Okay. Heres Scotland.. http://www.closethegap.org.uk/content/gap-statistics/ Please note that hourly there is a 14.8% pay gap. Shall I dig out England and Wales as well or will you accept that? Please bear in mind that this is just "work" not CEOs not anything, this is the pay gap. Please don't tell me men are more qualified. Girls do way better at school than men, and tend to move on to degrees. I mean, rather than asking on here, you can just google the statistics for yourself. There I got involved (waits for the shouts of "White Knight" for quoting the truth!)" Are they getting paid less for doing the same work? | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" " Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. | |||
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"Okay. Heres Scotland.. http://www.closethegap.org.uk/content/gap-statistics/ Please note that hourly there is a 14.8% pay gap. Shall I dig out England and Wales as well or will you accept that? Please bear in mind that this is just "work" not CEOs not anything, this is the pay gap. Please don't tell me men are more qualified. Girls do way better at school than men, and tend to move on to degrees. I mean, rather than asking on here, you can just google the statistics for yourself. There I got involved (waits for the shouts of "White Knight" for quoting the truth!)" Which role and which company would this be? Because whilst everyone is saying there is....NAME A ROLE AND COMPANY? ! | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? " I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you? | |||
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"Women Vs Men. In recent news there has been a debate around women's pay vs man's pay. Is this even a real thing?! Company's would not get away with it. I bet you don't have a single friend doing the same job as the opposite sex getting paid less. Also this isn't being feminist or whatever by saying females dominate sectors like nursing and teaching etc as men dominate automotive mechanics and sports it's just the way it is. Is the real argument the sectors vary in wages I. E nurses vs mechanics? You can't compare sexes on that as they are different industries. Also it's important to note women spend more time away from the workplace for lifestyle reasons, "nesting" lol Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Point being - I'm getting there lol... maybe we should try to stop equalising men and women and just accept we are different! We don't have the same brains. *quickly runs and slams the door shut*" You are wrong. My daughter is paid much less than guys in her office, and her job actually has more responsibility than one guy. | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. " Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that | |||
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"Women Vs Men. In recent news there has been a debate around women's pay vs man's pay. Is this even a real thing?! Company's would not get away with it. I bet you don't have a single friend doing the same job as the opposite sex getting paid less. Also this isn't being feminist or whatever by saying females dominate sectors like nursing and teaching etc as men dominate automotive mechanics and sports it's just the way it is. Is the real argument the sectors vary in wages I. E nurses vs mechanics? You can't compare sexes on that as they are different industries. Also it's important to note women spend more time away from the workplace for lifestyle reasons, "nesting" lol Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Point being - I'm getting there lol... maybe we should try to stop equalising men and women and just accept we are different! We don't have the same brains. *quickly runs and slams the door shut* You are wrong. My daughter is paid much less than guys in her office, and her job actually has more responsibility than one guy. " Then she should sue them | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that " I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. " Your 27? | |||
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"The wage gap is a myth Exactly so why are all these feminist sprouting in like victims?! There is no victims! It's just teaching future generations women that they must somehow prove up to the man when reality there is nothing to prove? You pretty much summed it all up there. Feminists need to convince women their victims to keep their hate group relevant " Sorry to burst the bubble here but the myth is very much a truth. It's not the 9to5 workers who are being underpaid so much these day, it's middle management.. They get jobs that are performance related salary then when it come to a pay raise the men get higher increase. As a union rep I have seen it firsthand | |||
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"Women Vs Men. In recent news there has been a debate around women's pay vs man's pay. Is this even a real thing?! Company's would not get away with it. I bet you don't have a single friend doing the same job as the opposite sex getting paid less. Also this isn't being feminist or whatever by saying females dominate sectors like nursing and teaching etc as men dominate automotive mechanics and sports it's just the way it is. Is the real argument the sectors vary in wages I. E nurses vs mechanics? You can't compare sexes on that as they are different industries. Also it's important to note women spend more time away from the workplace for lifestyle reasons, "nesting" lol Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Point being - I'm getting there lol... maybe we should try to stop equalising men and women and just accept we are different! We don't have the same brains. *quickly runs and slams the door shut* You are wrong. My daughter is paid much less than guys in her office, and her job actually has more responsibility than one guy. Then she should sue them " Ah yes, and get blackballed by the industry from that point forwards. Excellent suggestion.
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. " That's ageist, age discrimination isn't allowed. Anyone of any age can look up the facts and see through feminist bs | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. Your 27? " Yes, and I've experienced the pay gap in 2 industries so far. I've anecdotal evidence, he doesn't. | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. " See I don't think this holds water, in my experience HR Depts,head hunters and internal recruiters are areas that are female dominated, so it's females that are holding other females back? Sounds less like a cross-gender problem and more like a inter-gender problem | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. That's ageist, age discrimination isn't allowed. Anyone of any age can look up the facts and see through feminist bs" Feel free to prove me wrong.  | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. Your 27? Yes, and I've experienced the pay gap in 2 industries so far. I've anecdotal evidence, he doesn't. " Cos people don't make shit up on the Internet? Lmao I'll take the numbers over your feelings haha | |||
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"Okay. Heres Scotland.. http://www.closethegap.org.uk/content/gap-statistics/ Please note that hourly there is a 14.8% pay gap. Shall I dig out England and Wales as well or will you accept that? Please bear in mind that this is just "work" not CEOs not anything, this is the pay gap. Please don't tell me men are more qualified. Girls do way better at school than men, and tend to move on to degrees. I mean, rather than asking on here, you can just google the statistics for yourself. There I got involved (waits for the shouts of "White Knight" for quoting the truth!) Are they getting paid less for doing the same work?" 55% of people at university are women. quid pro quo that must translate into the workplace; are they being held back from promotion because of their gender is the question you should be asking.... | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. See I don't think this holds water, in my experience HR Depts,head hunters and internal recruiters are areas that are female dominated, so it's females that are holding other females back? Sounds less like a cross-gender problem and more like a inter-gender problem " This is true. Women are less likely to be promoted by females. It still doesn't mean that the pay gap doesn't exist. | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. Your 27? Yes, and I've experienced the pay gap in 2 industries so far. I've anecdotal evidence, he doesn't. " Which role did you firmly do and which company where you was paid less? Not the role on the job but your contact role in which a man had the same contract role and got paid more? | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. That's ageist, age discrimination isn't allowed. Anyone of any age can look up the facts and see through feminist bs Feel free to prove me wrong. "it's always getting proved wrong, and I can thank people like Christina Hoff Summers etc | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. That's ageist, age discrimination isn't allowed. Anyone of any age can look up the facts and see through feminist bs Feel free to prove me wrong. it's always getting proved wrong, and I can thank people like Christina Hoff Summers etc "What has she got to do with you having no experience and being too young to understand the pay gap? Are you able to follow this at all? | |||
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"Okay. Heres Scotland.. http://www.closethegap.org.uk/content/gap-statistics/ Please note that hourly there is a 14.8% pay gap. Shall I dig out England and Wales as well or will you accept that? Please bear in mind that this is just "work" not CEOs not anything, this is the pay gap. Please don't tell me men are more qualified. Girls do way better at school than men, and tend to move on to degrees. I mean, rather than asking on here, you can just google the statistics for yourself. There I got involved (waits for the shouts of "White Knight" for quoting the truth!) Are they getting paid less for doing the same work? 55% of people at university are women. quid pro quo that must translate into the workplace; are they being held back from promotion because of their gender is the question you should be asking...." Doesn't translate if their degrees are gender studies lmao. And you didn't answer my question haha. When it was more men at uni it was a problem, now it's more women so it's not? | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. That's ageist, age discrimination isn't allowed. Anyone of any age can look up the facts and see through feminist bs Feel free to prove me wrong. it's always getting proved wrong, and I can thank people like Christina Hoff Summers etc
What has she got to do with you having no experience and being too young to understand the pay gap? Are you able to follow this at all?"Better than you, she does all the research and stuff to work against these rhetorics | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. Your 27? Yes, and I've experienced the pay gap in 2 industries so far. I've anecdotal evidence, he doesn't. Which role did you firmly do and which company where you was paid less? Not the role on the job but your contact role in which a man had the same contract role and got paid more?" That's private, I'm willing to provide other examples in my current industry of women being paid less. In fact, I already have. | |||
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OP I'm known for being super nice it's just my way but for you
You can't play, you have lady bits!"No women allowed. You'd undermine our ability to use logic. I could murder a sandwich though? | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. That's ageist, age discrimination isn't allowed. Anyone of any age can look up the facts and see through feminist bs Feel free to prove me wrong. it's always getting proved wrong, and I can thank people like Christina Hoff Summers etc
What has she got to do with you having no experience and being too young to understand the pay gap? Are you able to follow this at all? Better than you, she does all the research and stuff to work against these rhetorics "Lol no, I'm questioning your credibility to contribute anything of value here. Clearly it's lacking as you're jumping on the back of someone else's points and unable to form your own. Funny. | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women? " Now almost a quarter of all FTSE 100 board positions are being filled by women. The latest annual report from Lord Davies of Abersoch shows that 4 years on from his original report, commissioned by Business Secretary Vince Cable, female representation has almost doubled to 23.5%. That's from 2015 - that's the problem - females are under represented still in the hierarchy of many companies, as in at board level. That's where the balance needs addressing. And we fall behind often due to raising families and losing that time to climb the ladder - that takes some clawing back. It can be done - but it takes longer. | |||
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OP I'm known for being super nice it's just my way but for you
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No women allowed. You'd undermine our ability to use logic. I could murder a sandwich though?"You do realise that the "men are logical women are emotional" thing is not true don't you? After all you read it on the fecking internet. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you?" No I'm invoking the scientific method sorry, a control sample vrs a test sample. All you have asserted so far is that there are 3 women CEOs who aren't the highest paid in their industry. In the case of GM, the company made a loss the first year she was in charge, is a bit of basket case company anyway that only exists because of a government bailout and isn't especially profitable in good years. So I'm simply asking who you are comparing GM to in order to make that assertion that the CEOs gender is the independant variable here since Ford were at least profitable that year... sorry if that's such an unreasonable question | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Because male CVs are more desirable and more put forward by head hunters and more sourced by internal recruiters. Women are still assumed to be liabilities if they're of child bearing age. His question is a poor one, and easily answered. Hardly, they'd rather employ women, you know affirmative action and all that I don't know what you, at your age and with limited experience, can contribute to this. Perhaps stop saying silly things. That's ageist, age discrimination isn't allowed. Anyone of any age can look up the facts and see through feminist bs Feel free to prove me wrong. it's always getting proved wrong, and I can thank people like Christina Hoff Summers etc
What has she got to do with you having no experience and being too young to understand the pay gap? Are you able to follow this at all? Better than you, she does all the research and stuff to work against these rhetorics
Lol no, I'm questioning your credibility to contribute anything of value here. Clearly it's lacking as you're jumping on the back of someone else's points and unable to form your own. Funny. "Well duh, she's the expert | |||
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OP I'm known for being super nice it's just my way but for you
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No women allowed. You'd undermine our ability to use logic. I could murder a sandwich though?
You do realise that the "men are logical women are emotional" thing is not true don't you? After all you read it on the fecking internet."And the women currently teaching me Pure Math and Advanced Calculous don't seem very emotional to me... they would kick a dying puppy out the way for a pop test | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you? No I'm invoking the scientific method sorry, a control sample vrs a test sample. All you have asserted so far is that there are 3 women CEOs who aren't the highest paid in their industry. In the case of GM, the company made a loss the first year she was in charge, is a bit of basket case company anyway that only exists because of a government bailout and isn't especially profitable in good years. So I'm simply asking who you are comparing GM to in order to make that assertion that the CEOs gender is the independant variable here since Ford were at least profitable that year... sorry if that's such an unreasonable question " Hold on - her signing salary should be lower as her performance 12 months in the future will be a loss? How are GM able to predict the future? | |||
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" And we fall behind often due to raising families and losing that time to climb the ladder - that takes some clawing back. It can be done - but it takes longer." This is true, women that don't have children actually earn more than men on average... | |||
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"I usually try to stick to the fun or less contentious forum threads but I couldn't not comment on this. Kerplunk I love that game. Seriously I do
OP I'm known for being super nice it's just my way but for you
You can't play, you have lady bits!
No women allowed. You'd undermine our ability to use logic. I could murder a sandwich though?
You do realise that the "men are logical women are emotional" thing is not true don't you? After all you read it on the fecking internet.
And the women currently teaching me Pure Math and Advanced Calculous don't seem very emotional to me... they would kick a dying puppy out the way for a pop test"I spelt calculus with an extra "O" - I am sorry I got all emotional! | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women? Now almost a quarter of all FTSE 100 board positions are being filled by women. The latest annual report from Lord Davies of Abersoch shows that 4 years on from his original report, commissioned by Business Secretary Vince Cable, female representation has almost doubled to 23.5%. That's from 2015 - that's the problem - females are under represented still in the hierarchy of many companies, as in at board level. That's where the balance needs addressing. And we fall behind often due to raising families and losing that time to climb the ladder - that takes some clawing back. It can be done - but it takes longer." That last point explains it all | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you? No I'm invoking the scientific method sorry, a control sample vrs a test sample. All you have asserted so far is that there are 3 women CEOs who aren't the highest paid in their industry. In the case of GM, the company made a loss the first year she was in charge, is a bit of basket case company anyway that only exists because of a government bailout and isn't especially profitable in good years. So I'm simply asking who you are comparing GM to in order to make that assertion that the CEOs gender is the independant variable here since Ford were at least profitable that year... sorry if that's such an unreasonable question Hold on - her signing salary should be lower as her performance 12 months in the future will be a loss? How are GM able to predict the future?" For the person who claimed to know about this stuff you should be aware that a very large part of CEO renumeration is performance based pay at the end of the year. Base salary is a meaningless comparison because difference companies just have different attitudes towards salary vrs bonus. | |||
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"It just seems that some women think they are still in the dark ages with the whole men vs women pay gap when it's just not the case at all. There seems to be a trend of making a point out of nothing. " Are you incapable of learning? In this thread you've questioned something, received evidence to the contrary, and blindly ignored it. It's a waste of capacity. | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you? No I'm invoking the scientific method sorry, a control sample vrs a test sample. All you have asserted so far is that there are 3 women CEOs who aren't the highest paid in their industry. In the case of GM, the company made a loss the first year she was in charge, is a bit of basket case company anyway that only exists because of a government bailout and isn't especially profitable in good years. So I'm simply asking who you are comparing GM to in order to make that assertion that the CEOs gender is the independant variable here since Ford were at least profitable that year... sorry if that's such an unreasonable question Hold on - her signing salary should be lower as her performance 12 months in the future will be a loss? How are GM able to predict the future? For the person who claimed to know about this stuff you should be aware that a very large part of CEO renumeration is performance based pay at the end of the year. Base salary is a meaningless comparison because difference companies just have different attitudes towards salary vrs bonus." That's not true when it comes to signing salaries. She would have shaken hands with a guaranteed income, as did I, when she joined the company and any bonuses extra would be performance based. NO ONE at that level takes a performance based salary. Her salary was lower at the start than her male predecessor. | |||
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"A couple of very misguided people on this thread, who simply don't understand what is regularly faced by a financial minority because they have never experienced it for themselves. Such ignorance makes me sad rather than hateful."
It does make me angry too but I'm not going to vent here. Experience shows there is little point.
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you? No I'm invoking the scientific method sorry, a control sample vrs a test sample. All you have asserted so far is that there are 3 women CEOs who aren't the highest paid in their industry. In the case of GM, the company made a loss the first year she was in charge, is a bit of basket case company anyway that only exists because of a government bailout and isn't especially profitable in good years. So I'm simply asking who you are comparing GM to in order to make that assertion that the CEOs gender is the independant variable here since Ford were at least profitable that year... sorry if that's such an unreasonable question Hold on - her signing salary should be lower as her performance 12 months in the future will be a loss? How are GM able to predict the future? For the person who claimed to know about this stuff you should be aware that a very large part of CEO renumeration is performance based pay at the end of the year. Base salary is a meaningless comparison because difference companies just have different attitudes towards salary vrs bonus. That's not true when it comes to signing salaries. She would have shaken hands with a guaranteed income, as did I, when she joined the company and any bonuses extra would be performance based. NO ONE at that level takes a performance based salary. Her salary was lower at the start than her male predecessor. " Also, do you not even recall the outcry when her salary was announced upon her joining? I'm concerned you're discovering it now, as opposed to remembering how it actually occurred. GM had to address it and suggested her overall compensation had the potential to beat Akerman. It didn't. | |||
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"It just seems that some women think they are still in the dark ages with the whole men vs women pay gap when it's just not the case at all. There seems to be a trend of making a point out of nothing. " You started the thread. Irony ! Have you worked for every company that every person commenting on the thread has? Because unless you have , I can't see how you could possibly know ? | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you? No I'm invoking the scientific method sorry, a control sample vrs a test sample. All you have asserted so far is that there are 3 women CEOs who aren't the highest paid in their industry. In the case of GM, the company made a loss the first year she was in charge, is a bit of basket case company anyway that only exists because of a government bailout and isn't especially profitable in good years. So I'm simply asking who you are comparing GM to in order to make that assertion that the CEOs gender is the independant variable here since Ford were at least profitable that year... sorry if that's such an unreasonable question Hold on - her signing salary should be lower as her performance 12 months in the future will be a loss? How are GM able to predict the future? For the person who claimed to know about this stuff you should be aware that a very large part of CEO renumeration is performance based pay at the end of the year. Base salary is a meaningless comparison because difference companies just have different attitudes towards salary vrs bonus. That's not true when it comes to signing salaries. She would have shaken hands with a guaranteed income, as did I, when she joined the company and any bonuses extra would be performance based. NO ONE at that level takes a performance based salary. Her salary was lower at the start than her male predecessor. " Irrelevant. Remuneration = salary + bonus. You can't compare a CEO salary from one company to another because different companies have different philosophies about what % of remuneration should be salary or bonus, especially for top executives. Your comparison is meaningless unless you compare total remuneration on a like for like basis, which clearly you aren't because her company made a loss when their closest competitor made a profit. It's clear you don't have any facts, just the names of 3 women CEOs so I'm bored now and won't be continuing. | |||
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"It just seems that some women think they are still in the dark ages with the whole men vs women pay gap when it's just not the case at all. There seems to be a trend of making a point out of nothing. You started the thread. Irony ! Have you worked for every company that every person commenting on the thread has? Because unless you have , I can't see how you could possibly know ? " Tbh, he's received evidence to the contrary and still doesn't believe it. He's just a bit dim, simply. | |||
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"I usually try to stick to the fun or less contentious forum threads but I couldn't not comment on this. Kerplunk I love that game. Seriously I do
OP I'm known for being super nice it's just my way but for you
You can't play, you have lady bits!
No women allowed. You'd undermine our ability to use logic. I could murder a sandwich though?
You do realise that the "men are logical women are emotional" thing is not true don't you? After all you read it on the fecking internet."Ah but wonder how women and men differ in terms of Myers Briggs and personality types. There are plenty of illogical men too ..... | |||
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"It just seems that some women think they are still in the dark ages with the whole men vs women pay gap when it's just not the case at all. There seems to be a trend of making a point out of nothing. You started the thread. Irony ! Have you worked for every company that every person commenting on the thread has? Because unless you have , I can't see how you could possibly know ? Tbh, he's received evidence to the contrary and still doesn't believe it. He's just a bit dim, simply. " Didn't you bit hear me say I wanted a sandwich? | |||
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"Are you ignoring the differences between male and female CEO salaries within the same industries on purpose? Different companies are gonna earn different amounts are they not? No. Comparable industries and companies have similar pay standards. You'll learn this when you grow up. Could you give say 3 examples of companies in the same industry of comparable size, with comparable performance where a female CEO earned significantly less than a male CEO? The GM female CEO, the Lend Lease female CEO, the Blackmores female CEO Right, half way there, and which companies are you comparing them to in order to say they are underpaid? I just said. Don't be patronising, you could easily find out for yourself. You're able to use Google, aren't you? No I'm invoking the scientific method sorry, a control sample vrs a test sample. All you have asserted so far is that there are 3 women CEOs who aren't the highest paid in their industry. In the case of GM, the company made a loss the first year she was in charge, is a bit of basket case company anyway that only exists because of a government bailout and isn't especially profitable in good years. So I'm simply asking who you are comparing GM to in order to make that assertion that the CEOs gender is the independant variable here since Ford were at least profitable that year... sorry if that's such an unreasonable question Hold on - her signing salary should be lower as her performance 12 months in the future will be a loss? How are GM able to predict the future? For the person who claimed to know about this stuff you should be aware that a very large part of CEO renumeration is performance based pay at the end of the year. Base salary is a meaningless comparison because difference companies just have different attitudes towards salary vrs bonus. That's not true when it comes to signing salaries. She would have shaken hands with a guaranteed income, as did I, when she joined the company and any bonuses extra would be performance based. NO ONE at that level takes a performance based salary. Her salary was lower at the start than her male predecessor. Irrelevant. Remuneration = salary + bonus. You can't compare a CEO salary from one company to another because different companies have different philosophies about what % of remuneration should be salary or bonus, especially for top executives. Your comparison is meaningless unless you compare total remuneration on a like for like basis, which clearly you aren't because her company made a loss when their closest competitor made a profit. It's clear you don't have any facts, just the names of 3 women CEOs so I'm bored now and won't be continuing. " Yes I can compare it, and that's how the gender imbalance is found. It seems like you're intent on ignoring facts, or that just you have a poor grasp of the evidence and facts at your disposal. Would you like me to name more female CEOs who were paid less that males? I don't mind if you choose to ignore them anyway, you'll still be wrong. | |||
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"It just seems that some women think they are still in the dark ages with the whole men vs women pay gap when it's just not the case at all. There seems to be a trend of making a point out of nothing. You started the thread. Irony ! Have you worked for every company that every person commenting on the thread has? Because unless you have , I can't see how you could possibly know ? Tbh, he's received evidence to the contrary and still doesn't believe it. He's just a bit dim, simply. Didn't you bit hear me say I wanted a sandwich?" I don't follow your point. Sexism is okay if you're making a poorly judged "joke"? | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders " Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders " I'm trying to say though that having more women on Boards would make others feel that they could achieve that level. That's the point I was making. | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! " Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy ** | |||
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"Ok folks, female with a ban button here... Can we drop the personal insults please and just stick to the debate. Thanks." Yeah sorry, created a thread serious and tried to light hearten it slightly. I completely believe we are equal but because I haven't seen it personally this gap I'm being ignorant by suggesting it doesn't exist. Sorry if I've offended anyone. Things typed on here can get taken out of context! | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **"Good girl | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority?" They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **"If you win, its because I let you, you know this right? | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders I'm trying to say though that having more women on Boards would make others feel that they could achieve that level. That's the point I was making." | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% " But that's not the point of this discussion, it's gender imbalance. As CEOs usually announce their compensation, they're decent examples for comparison - it is not a problem exclusively for the C level employees. | |||
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"Women Vs Men. In recent news there has been a debate around women's pay vs man's pay. Is this even a real thing?! Company's would not get away with it. I bet you don't have a single friend doing the same job as the opposite sex getting paid less. Also this isn't being feminist or whatever by saying females dominate sectors like nursing and teaching etc as men dominate automotive mechanics and sports it's just the way it is. Is the real argument the sectors vary in wages I. E nurses vs mechanics? You can't compare sexes on that as they are different industries. Also it's important to note women spend more time away from the workplace for lifestyle reasons, "nesting" lol Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Point being - I'm getting there lol... maybe we should try to stop equalising men and women and just accept we are different! We don't have the same brains. *quickly runs and slams the door shut*" You put 'lol' after your comment about women spending more time away from work due to 'lifestyle' things such as 'nesting'..... so I don't know if you were being facetious or earnest in your comment. Which is it please ? | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
Good girl"Wanna play kerplunk now don't you? It's cool bring your sandwich. | |||
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"Huh well this went from serious to me being light hearted to women turning aggressive! " Dude...you posted something deliberately inflammatory and then backed it up with a load of nonsense. Don't act all surprised if people get annoyed with you. | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders I'm trying to say though that having more women on Boards would make others feel that they could achieve that level. That's the point I was making." I agree, it would and things would probably run smother too IMO | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?"Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls | |||
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"Huh well this went from serious to me being light hearted to women turning aggressive! Dude...you posted something deliberately inflammatory and then backed it up with a load of nonsense. Don't act all surprised if people get annoyed with you." And also followed it up with insulting, sexist comments. | |||
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"Women Vs Men. In recent news there has been a debate around women's pay vs man's pay. Is this even a real thing?! Company's would not get away with it. I bet you don't have a single friend doing the same job as the opposite sex getting paid less. Also this isn't being feminist or whatever by saying females dominate sectors like nursing and teaching etc as men dominate automotive mechanics and sports it's just the way it is. Is the real argument the sectors vary in wages I. E nurses vs mechanics? You can't compare sexes on that as they are different industries. Also it's important to note women spend more time away from the workplace for lifestyle reasons, "nesting" lol Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Point being - I'm getting there lol... maybe we should try to stop equalising men and women and just accept we are different! We don't have the same brains. *quickly runs and slams the door shut* You put 'lol' after your comment about women spending more time away from work due to 'lifestyle' things such as 'nesting'..... so I don't know if you were being facetious or earnest in your comment. Which is it please ?" I was loling at the word nesting! Not actually bringing up children, that's hard work in itself. I completely get that. | |||
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"Huh well this went from serious to me being light hearted to women turning aggressive! " I posit that may well have been your intention. You start a sexist thread, designed to inflame then get all cutesy, condescendingly rude about women and then wonder why women turn aggressive. Good work. Your job is done. | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
Good girl
Wanna play kerplunk now don't you? It's cool bring your sandwich."Yeah please. Lmao what have I done! | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% But that's not the point of this discussion, it's gender imbalance. As CEOs usually announce their compensation, they're decent examples for comparison - it is not a problem exclusively for the C level employees. " I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for the women CEOs out there making only 100,000 a year compared to their male counterparts that make 120,000 | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women?" Jesus christ. Women are paid less because they are deemed less capable than men. Organisations want what they percieve as the best people, not the cheapest people. And often a high wage is taken to be an indicator ability. I mean, really. Milo is not bright. | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% But that's not the point of this discussion, it's gender imbalance. As CEOs usually announce their compensation, they're decent examples for comparison - it is not a problem exclusively for the C level employees. I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for the women CEOs out there making only 100,000 a year compared to their male counterparts that make 120,000" Your jealousy of the high earners shouldn't affect your opinion of a gender imbalance. The value of the salary doesn't matter, the fact that there is a difference in value depending on gender does. | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls ""Yes Sweetie"....  | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
Good girl
Wanna play kerplunk now don't you? It's cool bring your sandwich.
Yeah please. Lmao what have I done!"Say sorry to the lovely ladies who have made some very good points and come sit down here so I can kick your ass at kerplunk. | |||
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"Women Vs Men. In recent news there has been a debate around women's pay vs man's pay. Is this even a real thing?! Company's would not get away with it. I bet you don't have a single friend doing the same job as the opposite sex getting paid less. Also this isn't being feminist or whatever by saying females dominate sectors like nursing and teaching etc as men dominate automotive mechanics and sports it's just the way it is. Is the real argument the sectors vary in wages I. E nurses vs mechanics? You can't compare sexes on that as they are different industries. Also it's important to note women spend more time away from the workplace for lifestyle reasons, "nesting" lol Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Point being - I'm getting there lol... maybe we should try to stop equalising men and women and just accept we are different! We don't have the same brains. *quickly runs and slams the door shut* You put 'lol' after your comment about women spending more time away from work due to 'lifestyle' things such as 'nesting'..... so I don't know if you were being facetious or earnest in your comment. Which is it please ? I was loling at the word nesting! Not actually bringing up children, that's hard work in itself. I completely get that." Thank you. Yes it is a funny word isn't it? Could you tell me 'the lifestyle reasons' that women to choose to spend time away from the workforce for please ? | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie".... "Good boy | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
Good girl
Wanna play kerplunk now don't you? It's cool bring your sandwich.
Yeah please. Lmao what have I done!
Say sorry to the lovely ladies who have made some very good points and come sit down here so I can kick your ass at kerplunk."I was wrong. I thought I was right. I obviously lack the knowledge to back any of the female counterparts points up so I did the man route and threw jokes/jest into the mix instead of saying... wow... good point... lol... it was ignorant. When you make my sandwich, just make sure you wipe the crumbs off the work top. I got some detol under the sink. Ta. | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy "shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks! | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% But that's not the point of this discussion, it's gender imbalance. As CEOs usually announce their compensation, they're decent examples for comparison - it is not a problem exclusively for the C level employees. I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for the women CEOs out there making only 100,000 a year compared to their male counterparts that make 120,000 Your jealousy of the high earners shouldn't affect your opinion of a gender imbalance. The value of the salary doesn't matter, the fact that there is a difference in value depending on gender does. " I'm not jealous of anyone, if anyone can make that kind of money all the best to them, I'm just saying I find it amusing that people on minimum wage (or at least pretty low) are so determined to close the pay gap of the top 1%. The one thing I never see is a CEO on TV complaining about the wage gap, I only ever see normal everyday people. | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy
shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks!"I am presently sucking pork ...... No rude comments please. | |||
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"I'm backing down. I admit I was wrong. When I first saw the OP's avatar I thought he was a little bit attractive. Then I read the opening post and realised I was wrong to think that. Ironically me admitting I was wrong also makes the OP wrong..." Why did you think he was attractive? The only pic on show is his headless, suit-wearing torso thumbnail one. Unless all suit-wearing men are attractive to you? | |||
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"Women Vs Men. In recent news there has been a debate around women's pay vs man's pay. Is this even a real thing?! Company's would not get away with it. I bet you don't have a single friend doing the same job as the opposite sex getting paid less. Also this isn't being feminist or whatever by saying females dominate sectors like nursing and teaching etc as men dominate automotive mechanics and sports it's just the way it is. Is the real argument the sectors vary in wages I. E nurses vs mechanics? You can't compare sexes on that as they are different industries. Also it's important to note women spend more time away from the workplace for lifestyle reasons, "nesting" lol Women are from Venus and men are from Mars. Point being - I'm getting there lol... maybe we should try to stop equalising men and women and just accept we are different! We don't have the same brains. *quickly runs and slams the door shut* You put 'lol' after your comment about women spending more time away from work due to 'lifestyle' things such as 'nesting'..... so I don't know if you were being facetious or earnest in your comment. Which is it please ? I was loling at the word nesting! Not actually bringing up children, that's hard work in itself. I completely get that. Thank you. Yes it is a funny word isn't it? Could you tell me 'the lifestyle reasons' that women to choose to spend time away from the workforce for please ?" I feel like I'm on mastermind here. I'm getting a sweat on trying to save my ban lmao! The lifestyle choice was a wrong word. What I meant WAS... women are naturals at bringing up children you only have to look at nature etc so women are better to raise children (is that bad). See now I'm questioning myself! What I meant was... maternity is there so women can take the time to care for their child. It's not a lifestyle choice as I put it. RIGHT GRANNY CRUMPET... NEXT ONE! | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy
shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks!
I am presently sucking pork ...... No rude comments please."Chop, Belly, Trotter or Sausage?  | |||
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"Today I have learned that apparently, I'm part of a "hate group"...
Mysogyny, on the other hand, seems not to be one..."Don't worry, any moment now someone will be along to state that all the women arguing the point are big on misandry because we are feminazis. | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
Good girl
Wanna play kerplunk now don't you? It's cool bring your sandwich.
Yeah please. Lmao what have I done!
Say sorry to the lovely ladies who have made some very good points and come sit down here so I can kick your ass at kerplunk.
I was wrong. I thought I was right. I obviously lack the knowledge to back any of the female counterparts points up so I did the man route and threw jokes/jest into the mix instead of saying... wow... good point... lol... it was ignorant.
When you make my sandwich, just make sure you wipe the crumbs off the work top. I got some detol under the sink. Ta."Well done. All cleaned up. Bring wine. | |||
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"Today I have learned that apparently, I'm part of a "hate group"...
Mysogyny, on the other hand, seems not to be one...
Don't worry, any moment now someone will be along to state that all the women arguing the point are big on misandry because we are feminazis.
"Does that come with a uniform? ..... What i am just asking, because I happen to think that a uniform is a thing of a thing thingy.... | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy
shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks!
I am presently sucking pork ...... No rude comments please.
Chop, Belly, Trotter or Sausage? "Belly, Crisped up rind........ succulent. | |||
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"Love him or loath him but Milo Yiannopoulos asks a question that's I think gets to the heart of the gender pay gap debate. "If women are doing the same work for less money, why aren't companies full of women? Jesus christ. Women are paid less because they are deemed less capable than men. Organisations want what they percieve as the best people, not the cheapest people. And often a high wage is taken to be an indicator ability. I mean, really. Milo is not bright. " I disagree, organisations want the best people for the cheapest they can get, regardless of gender. I certainly don't think women are less capable than men. He is, but he's funny | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy
shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks!
I am presently sucking pork ...... No rude comments please.
Chop, Belly, Trotter or Sausage?
Belly, Crisped up rind........ succulent."Psst Psst Granny your teeth are in his pocket.  | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy
shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks!
I am presently sucking pork ...... No rude comments please.
Chop, Belly, Trotter or Sausage?
Belly, Crisped up rind........ succulent."with fava beans?... | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy
shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks!
I am presently sucking pork ...... No rude comments please.
Chop, Belly, Trotter or Sausage?
Belly, Crisped up rind........ succulent.
Psst Psst Granny your teeth are in his pocket. "Snitch! Go and make a sandwich for captain wonderful....(taking my marbles and going home) | |||
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"Well I'm out. OP claims to be logical and seems most illogical (Captain).... It exists, thats why there are equalities ministers and commissions and enough statistics to keep you busy for a lifetime. I am off to play kerplunk and you know what, I am removing the glass ceiling and (yes ladies, calm, calm.......calm), the girls can play too! Yeah skips happily off to play kerplunk FYI I kick arse at kerplunk. **drops off the OPs sandwich on route enjoy **
If you win, its because I let you, you know this right?
Stop being silly it's because I'm skilled and handling prickly sticks and tricksy balls
"Yes Sweetie"....
Good boy
shhhh.... granny is here, and I nicked her teeth two weeks ago, she hasn't had a custard cream in all that time, its going to get medieval.....and stop sticking me with the cocktail sticks!
I am presently sucking pork ...... No rude comments please.
Chop, Belly, Trotter or Sausage?
Belly, Crisped up rind........ succulent.
with fava beans?... "No I was going to make a delicious red cabbage and onion compote but hell ... sucking pork will do me for today. Clariccceeee...... I can smell your fluffy. | |||
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"RIGHT GRANNY CRUMPET... NEXT ONE! Thank you. I note you say 'bring up 'their' child'... I recall earlier that you alluded to females having families etc... Isn't it 'our' child that women have to lose financial independence for ? Didn't a male somewhere have something to do with it ?" Good point crumpet. Your correct. Not sure I used the word their though? If I did say their then again... I was wrong. | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% But that's not the point of this discussion, it's gender imbalance. As CEOs usually announce their compensation, they're decent examples for comparison - it is not a problem exclusively for the C level employees. I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for the women CEOs out there making only 100,000 a year compared to their male counterparts that make 120,000" So because they're paid a lot it doesn't count? What kind of fucked up logic is that?
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"RIGHT GRANNY CRUMPET... NEXT ONE! Thank you. I note you say 'bring up 'their' child'... I recall earlier that you alluded to females having families etc... Isn't it 'our' child that women have to lose financial independence for ? Didn't a male somewhere have something to do with it ? Good point crumpet. Your correct. Not sure I used the word their though? If I did say their then again... I was wrong." I have tried my hardest to deflect your thread, I hope you appreciate this, and that in the future, when you pass by a shop window and see a game of kerplunk in the window, you have a little smile and remember.... | |||
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"Today I have learned that apparently, I'm part of a "hate group"...
Mysogyny, on the other hand, seems not to be one...
Don't worry, any moment now someone will be along to state that all the women arguing the point are big on misandry because we are feminazis.
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"QUOTE What I meant was... maternity is there so women can take the time to care for their child. UNQUOTE There "Oh so I did. Coming from someone without children hardly makes me sinner of the year. I don't understand the dynamics between couples with children. | |||
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"QUOTE What I meant was... maternity is there so women can take the time to care for their child. UNQUOTE There
Oh so I did. Coming from someone without children hardly makes me sinner of the year. I don't understand the dynamics between couples with children."I don't have children either, I don't use it as an excuse for widespread ignorance | |||
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"QUOTE What I meant was... maternity is there so women can take the time to care for their child. UNQUOTE There
Oh so I did. Coming from someone without children hardly makes me sinner of the year. I don't understand the dynamics between couples with children."Funny thought, when I don't understand something, I tend to not make a thread professing I am the font of all knowledge and dismissing anyones opinions that disagree with my lack of knowledge..... 
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"QUOTE What I meant was... maternity is there so women can take the time to care for their child. UNQUOTE There
Oh so I did. Coming from someone without children hardly makes me sinner of the year. I don't understand the dynamics between couples with children."Patently apparent dear chap. In an ideal situation both parents accept the child as the fruit of a sexual liasion no matter how unsatisfactory it was. I am approaching a point where I will ask you a question about society and whether it values families and children ( male or female ) and to what extent we as a society recognise the child rearing role. Perhaps I'll sneak a little Q in for you about when you become a dad. I wonder how you will view your wife's earning potential then. Or it's non existence. | |||
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"QUOTE What I meant was... maternity is there so women can take the time to care for their child. UNQUOTE There
Oh so I did. Coming from someone without children hardly makes me sinner of the year. I don't understand the dynamics between couples with children."Is it possible you had parents? Is it possible you had some rudimentary sex education? | |||
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"QUOTE What I meant was... maternity is there so women can take the time to care for their child. UNQUOTE There
Oh so I did. Coming from someone without children hardly makes me sinner of the year. I don't understand the dynamics between couples with children.
Patently apparent dear chap.
In an ideal situation both parents accept the child as the fruit of a sexual liasion no matter how unsatisfactory it was.
I am approaching a point where I will ask you a question about society and whether it values families and children ( male or female ) and to what extent we as a society recognise the child rearing role. Perhaps I'll sneak a little Q in for you about when you become a dad. I wonder how you will view your wife's earning potential then. Or it's non existence."Quite presumptuous? Not sure I want to be a dad nor married. | |||
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"Ok folks, female with a ban button here... Can we drop the personal insults please and just stick to the debate. Thanks." Why is there no male with a ban button here ? | |||
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"Ok folks, female with a ban button here... Can we drop the personal insults please and just stick to the debate. Thanks. Why is there no male with a ban button here ? "The wages weren't good enough? | |||
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"I don't think I've seen Lickety use the rolling eyes emoticon before. Shit just got real." I can feel the tension. | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% But that's not the point of this discussion, it's gender imbalance. As CEOs usually announce their compensation, they're decent examples for comparison - it is not a problem exclusively for the C level employees. I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for the women CEOs out there making only 100,000 a year compared to their male counterparts that make 120,000 So because they're paid a lot it doesn't count? What kind of fucked up logic is that?
Also, think you're a bit off the mark with your estimating there mate if you think CEOs of big companies only get 100k "It totally counts but is it really your fight or a matter for the 1% to sort out themselves? Being (I'm assuming) we're both in the bottom 99%, wouldn't we be better severed to change the gap from top to bottom first, wouldn't that benefit us more than us sorting out the pay gap at the top? Those numbers were for illustration purposes, I'm sure CEO's get paid all sorts of numbers, 100,000 being one of them. | |||
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"Ok folks, female with a ban button here... Can we drop the personal insults please and just stick to the debate. Thanks. Why is there no male with a ban button here ?
The wages weren't good enough?"Are they still out working ? All these woman nesting with ban buttons ? | |||
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"I'm all for equal rights, equal pay, equal everything, anyone who isn't is a tosser. But there's one thing I find amusing about this whole debate, it's the people in the bottom 95-99% giving out about the pay difference between male and female in the top 1-5%, you got it the wrong way around people, it's the difference between the bottom and the top that's the true crime here, not across the genders Why can't the imbalance between the classes and genders be two separate points that people care about? Why should one take priority? They are two separate points, but I think both men and women in the 99% would be better served by tackling the top to bottom gap, rather than the across gap in the 1% But that's not the point of this discussion, it's gender imbalance. As CEOs usually announce their compensation, they're decent examples for comparison - it is not a problem exclusively for the C level employees. I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for the women CEOs out there making only 100,000 a year compared to their male counterparts that make 120,000 So because they're paid a lot it doesn't count? What kind of fucked up logic is that?
Also, think you're a bit off the mark with your estimating there mate if you think CEOs of big companies only get 100k
It totally counts but is it really your fight or a matter for the 1% to sort out themselves? Being (I'm assuming) we're both in the bottom 99%, wouldn't we be better severed to change the gap from top to bottom first, wouldn't that benefit us more than us sorting out the pay gap at the top?
Those numbers were for illustration purposes, I'm sure CEO's get paid all sorts of numbers, 100,000 being one of them.
"You're missing my initial point, I used CEOs as an example of the wage gap as their salaries are published. Middle management usually don't publish theirs, nor lower execs. Why do you only care about disparity between classes as opposed to females being paid less than males in C level positions? | |||
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"The wage gap is a myth " Can you expand on that? | |||
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