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Tom Cruise is allegedly planning to move to the UK Church of Scientology.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Tom Cruise is allegedly planning on moving into the Church
called Saint Hill Manor - in East Grinstead, Sussex.
He's investing a lot of his own money back into the UK Church and secretly the talk is how they want to be as influential as the Royal family."
The source also claims that those involved in the project have dreams of Saint Hill Manor overshadowing Buckingham Palace.
I don't understand why he would wish to do this in the UK or are they just looking at new ways to get more into this.? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was reading it here on the net thinking why on earth are they letting this go on here in the UK last thing we need."
Ah, the all powerful net. It must be true then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't forgive him for destroying "Jack Reacher" at the cinema. What was he thinking!"
What on earth made you think it would be good anyway? The trailer was possibly one of the worst I've ever seen! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Scien..tology.... Interesting wording.
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The modern science of mental health!!
Roll up roll up..Bring out your weak and your vulnerable and I'll cure you of your burden  |
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"Scien..tology.... Interesting wording.
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The modern science of mental health!!
Roll up roll up..Bring out your weak and your vulnerable and I'll cure you of your burden "
Modern science of mental health. ..and you're an expert in this? |
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"Scien..tology.... Interesting wording.
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The modern science of mental health!!
Roll up roll up..Bring out your weak and your vulnerable and I'll cure you of your burden
Modern science of mental health. ..and you're an expert in this?"
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No |
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If he wants to believe in Scientology and wants to invest money in his beliefs then good for him.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if he started to worship a turnip and named it lord Harold turnip king of the world, his personal choice and faith are his own the same as it is with other people of faith.
I may not share his beliefs (or any in my own case) but i find nothing wrong with respecting those people that choose to believe in something spiritual even if it's not for me personally |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he wants to believe in Scientology and wants to invest money in his beliefs then good for him.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if he started to worship a turnip and named it lord Harold turnip king of the world, his personal choice and faith are his own the same as it is with other people of faith.
I may not share his beliefs (or any in my own case) but i find nothing wrong with respecting those people that choose to believe in something spiritual even if it's not for me personally"
What I have an issue with is inviting people into you turnip church and then threatening them with a huge bill for accommodation and food if they try to leave, basically enslavement if you cut to the chase. Throw in a bit of stalking, publishing people's private lives on the Internet and frivolous law suits and a french civiction for fraud and yeah that's a bit of a problem.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. |
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"If he wants to believe in Scientology and wants to invest money in his beliefs then good for him.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if he started to worship a turnip and named it lord Harold turnip king of the world, his personal choice and faith are his own the same as it is with other people of faith.
I may not share his beliefs (or any in my own case) but i find nothing wrong with respecting those people that choose to believe in something spiritual even if it's not for me personally
What I have an issue with is inviting people into you turnip church and then threatening them with a huge bill for accommodation and food if they try to leave, basically enslavement if you cut to the chase. Throw in a bit of stalking, publishing people's private lives on the Internet and frivolous law suits and a french civiction for fraud and yeah that's a bit of a problem.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. "
And yoi know all this how?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he wants to believe in Scientology and wants to invest money in his beliefs then good for him.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if he started to worship a turnip and named it lord Harold turnip king of the world, his personal choice and faith are his own the same as it is with other people of faith.
I may not share his beliefs (or any in my own case) but i find nothing wrong with respecting those people that choose to believe in something spiritual even if it's not for me personally
What I have an issue with is inviting people into you turnip church and then threatening them with a huge bill for accommodation and food if they try to leave, basically enslavement if you cut to the chase. Throw in a bit of stalking, publishing people's private lives on the Internet and frivolous law suits and a french civiction for fraud and yeah that's a bit of a problem.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
And yoi know all this how?
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Scientology is very well researched and well documented. A "religion" made up by someone who was previously on record as saying that creating a religion would be a great way to make money |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he wants to believe in Scientology and wants to invest money in his beliefs then good for him.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if he started to worship a turnip and named it lord Harold turnip king of the world, his personal choice and faith are his own the same as it is with other people of faith.
I may not share his beliefs (or any in my own case) but i find nothing wrong with respecting those people that choose to believe in something spiritual even if it's not for me personally
What I have an issue with is inviting people into you turnip church and then threatening them with a huge bill for accommodation and food if they try to leave, basically enslavement if you cut to the chase. Throw in a bit of stalking, publishing people's private lives on the Internet and frivolous law suits and a french civiction for fraud and yeah that's a bit of a problem.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
And yoi know all this how?
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Let's start with the BBC... |
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"If he wants to believe in Scientology and wants to invest money in his beliefs then good for him.
Personally I wouldn't have a problem if he started to worship a turnip and named it lord Harold turnip king of the world, his personal choice and faith are his own the same as it is with other people of faith.
Bbc....go on
I may not share his beliefs (or any in my own case) but i find nothing wrong with respecting those people that choose to believe in something spiritual even if it's not for me personally
What I have an issue with is inviting people into you turnip church and then threatening them with a huge bill for accommodation and food if they try to leave, basically enslavement if you cut to the chase. Throw in a bit of stalking, publishing people's private lives on the Internet and frivolous law suits and a french civiction for fraud and yeah that's a bit of a problem.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.
And yoi know all this how?
Let's start with the BBC... "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In no way am I condoning Scientology
..but does anyone understand it or are you all...as usual. ..forcing your opinion? !"
Having an opinion is not 'forcing' one. If someone is 'ill informed' please explain as clearly you are better informed ?....
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"Ill informed"
Sure, the courts in France didn't really sue them, I just made that up. You can't Google it yourself and find it confirmed by multiple sources.
A BBC journalist who does an investigative piece and films it for me to see is ill informed but randomer off the fab forum knows better. |
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"In no way am I condoning Scientology
..but does anyone understand it or are you all...as usual. ..forcing your opinion? !
Having an opinion is not 'forcing' one. If someone is 'ill informed' please explain as clearly you are better informed ?....
No clearly about it friend. ..I had a lot to do with this and know more than your average joe!
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"Ill informed
Sure, the courts in France didn't really sue them, I just made that up. You can't Google it yourself and find it confirmed by multiple sources.
A BBC journalist who does an investigative piece and films it for me to see is ill informed but randomer off the
fab forum knows better."
How judgemental...what about every other branch of belief. ...oh you have no Google for those? |
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"Ill informed
Sure, the courts in France didn't really sue them, I just made that up. You can't Google it yourself and find it confirmed by multiple sources.
A BBC journalist who does an investigative piece and films it for me to see is ill informed but randomer off the
fab forum knows better.
How judgemental...what about every other branch of belief. ...oh you have no Google for those?"
Ummm let's see, no I don't think Christians, Jews, Muslims or a Hindus have systematic practices to extort, sue or libel when members want to leave. I'm pretty sure that if you stop turning up to the Church of England the worst that happens is your local Vicar invites you in for a jam sandwich. But nice try to divert attention from the fact that my sources are solid and you have no facts to back you up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ill informed
Sure, the courts in France didn't really sue them, I just made that up. You can't Google it yourself and find it confirmed by multiple sources.
A BBC journalist who does an investigative piece and films it for me to see is ill informed but randomer off the
fab forum knows better.
How judgemental...what about every other branch of belief. ...oh you have no Google for those?
Ummm let's see, no I don't think Christians, Jews, Muslims or a Hindus have systematic practices to extort, sue or libel when members want to leave. I'm pretty sure that if you stop turning up to the Church of England the worst that happens is your local Vicar invites you in for a jam sandwich. But nice try to divert attention from the fact that my sources are solid and you have no facts to back you up. "
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"Ill informed
you seem quite defensive of scientology, are you a member of their lot?"
Im not a member anymore. ...but I was for a lot ot years and the way it changed my life wouldn't sit well with narrow minds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pity East Grinstead is a lovely place  "
I'm only amazed that so few self-respecting, rich, famous movie stars haven't swapped the misery of Los Angeles for Sussex before now... |
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"Ill informed
Sure, the courts in France didn't really sue them, I just made that up. You can't Google it yourself and find it confirmed by multiple sources.
A BBC journalist who does an investigative piece and films it for me to see is ill informed but randomer off the I SHOULD BOW DOWN TO YOU AS YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW EVERYTHING. ...IN YOUR OWN SAD LITTLE WORLD...
fab forum knows better.
How judgemental...what about every other branch of belief. ...oh you have no Google for those?
Ummm let's see, no I don't think Christians, Jews, Muslims or a Hindus have systematic practices to extort, sue or libel when members want to leave. I'm pretty sure that if you stop turning up to the Church of England the worst that happens is your local Vicar invites you in for a jam sandwich. But nice try to divert attention from the fact that my sources are solid and you have no facts to back you up. "
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"Ill informed
Sure, the courts in France didn't really sue them, I just made that up. You can't Google it yourself and find it confirmed by multiple sources.
A BBC journalist who does an investigative piece and films it for me to see is ill informed but randomer off the
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? ???
fab forum knows better.
How judgemental...what about every other branch of belief. ...oh you have no Google for those?
Ummm let's see, no I don't think Christians, Jews, Muslims or a Hindus have systematic practices to extort, sue or libel when members want to leave. I'm pretty sure that if you stop turning up to the Church of England the worst that happens is your local Vicar invites you in for a jam sandwich. But nice try to divert attention from the fact that my sources are solid and you have no facts to back you up. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ill informed
you seem quite defensive of scientology, are you a member of their lot?
Im not a member anymore. ...but I was for a lot ot years and the way it changed my life wouldn't sit well with narrow minds."
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In your defence, it's no more nuts than any other religion/cult except maybe Buddhism!.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Im not a member anymore. ...but I was for a lot ot years and the way it changed my life wouldn't sit well with narrow minds."
You've cited 'narrow minds' a lot before now, Belle. Without wanting to be antagonistic at all, would you accept that there are very valid reasons the others in the thread would have critical opinions, based in well-documented evidence, of Scientology? That there are concepts of faith or belief that within Scientology that where a narrow mind defence isn't enough to dismiss scepticism? |
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"Im not a member anymore. ...but I was for a lot ot years and the way it changed my life wouldn't sit well with narrow minds.
You've cited 'narrow minds' a lot before now, Belle. Without wanting to be antagonistic at all, would you accept that there are very valid reasons the others in the thread would have critical
opinions, based in well-documented
I accept everyones _iews...but please.....one thing. ...the Catholic church! !
evidence, of Scientology? That there are concepts of faith or belief that within Scientology that where a narrow mind defence isn't enough to dismiss scepticism?"
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I beg your pardon! Catholics and religion are odd in my eyes...but as Im quite sure...I know a little more than you about scientology. ..let's leave it there. ..unless you really would like a 1 to 1.... |
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"I beg your pardon! Catholics and religion are odd in my eyes...but as Im quite sure...I know a little more than you about scientology. ..let's leave it there. ..unless you really would like a 1 to 1...."
I think you should try and enlighten us all if you can. |
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"I am amazed at how nasty...judgemental and opinionated many are on here. ..a supposedly open forum"
I really hope I haven't been nasty or judgemental, Belle, nor that you've not been allowed to be open with your thoughts. It should be a major point of a forum, as should people expressing their opinions. |
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"I am amazed at how nasty...judgemental and opinionated many are on here. ..a supposedly open forum
I really hope I haven't been nasty or judgemental, Belle, nor that you've not been allowed to be open with your thoughts. It should be a major point of a forum, as should people expressing
their opinions."
Yourself and many others. ..I was a devout catholic...then led into scientoloy...I have a little knowledge. ..but not as good as Google! ! |
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"I don't think it's much different to many other religions really. May help some, may harm others. Each to their own as far as tolerance goes but respect.... Nah "
Surely respect to other people's beliefs? |
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"I don't think it's much different to many other religions really. May help some, may harm others. Each to their own as far as tolerance goes but respect.... Nah
Surely respect to other people's beliefs?"
No. I tolerate them and agree that their beliefs should be allowed, but I don't feel everyone's opinions or beliefs are automatically worthy of respect. I wouldnt be rude or insulting to them but neither would I make out I thought they were valid.
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I think a "way of life" can be worthy of respect. But where that is linked to a belief in strange beings or some such.... That part is no more worthy of respect than respecting an adult who believes in Santa Claus |
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"Surely respect to other people's beliefs?
No. I tolerate them and agree that their beliefs should be allowed, but I don't feel everyone's opinions or beliefs are automatically worthy of respect. I wouldnt be rude or insulting to them but neither would I make out I thought they were valid.
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I'm sure Belle would concede that she doesn't respect everyone's beliefs either... |
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If you think scientology is a belief system you may be misinformed
They tried to recruit me, when I illustrated their proof was a manipulative con trick they kicked me out of their office
Their motive is cash and people control
One can archive all the positives they prescribe without the cult wrapper just like most religions
This lot however are some of the worst and most manipulative xxx
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"I am amazed at how nasty...judgemental and opinionated many are on here. ..a supposedly open forum"
Well explain yourself better then!!! Explain why it's good,because all you're doing is throwing out insults and it's boring me. |
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"I am amazed at how nasty...judgemental and opinionated many are on here. ..a supposedly open forum
Well explain yourself better then!!! Explain why it's good,because all you're doing is throwing out insults and it's boring me."
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"I am amazed at how nasty...judgemental and opinionated many are on here. ..a supposedly open forum
Well explain yourself better then!!! Explain why it's good,because all you're doing is throwing out insults and it's boring me."
Im SO sorry...it was never my intention to bore you...because obviously you matter xxxx |
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"I am amazed at how nasty...judgemental and opinionated many are on here. ..a supposedly open forum
Well explain yourself better then!!! Explain why it's good,because all you're doing is throwing out insults and it's boring me.
Im SO sorry...it was never my intention to bore you...because obviously you matter xxxx"
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"I am amazed at how nasty...judgemental and opinionated many are on here. ..a supposedly open forum
Well explain yourself better then!!! Explain why it's good,because all you're doing is throwing out insults and it's boring me.
Im SO sorry...it was never my intention to bore you...because obviously you matter xxxx
Oh look, more insults "
I thought she was being nice to me  . I just want her to be not so defensive and educate me |
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"As a practising Pastafarian, i believe we should all hail the great noodley appendage.
Seriously? "
Yes. My belief that thecreator of the universe is the all knowing 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'.
One of Scientologies high level teachings is that 75 million years ago Galactic Warloard Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes.
Christian believe in creation by parthenogenesis of the earthly manifestation of the Creator; a man who who could conjurer food out of thin air, walk on water, heal using the power of his mind and faked his own death to get out of a sticky situation.
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You can treat religions in awe, fantasy or ridicule. Any and all of them exist in our minds through interpretation, which become, in some, a belief system. But for all the doctrine, litany, mantras and tantras, its all down to 'mans interpretation' and what each of us does with that interpretation in deference to our chosen God(s).
One belief systems is no better than another. Its when man sets his Gods to compete against each other that war, hate, intolerance and injustice are allowed to reign supreme in the hearts and minds of mortals.
I don't have a problem with belief. I don't have a problem with religion. I just a have a problem with some of the shit that gets carried out in its name. |
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"Judgemental ...every one of you....
Oh im a swinger
...each to their own. ..bullshit"
Belle to be honest your not doing yourself any favours in lashing out en masse so to speak..
your going on about others being less than open minded but your coming across that way also..
maybe bail out if its getting to you or something.. |
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I'm not saying Scientology is a good belief system... I don't know much about it... But I was saying that some ways of life can be respected eg the Jain way or maybe Buddhist or gentle Christians etc... Just that tying it to a strange belief is not necessary to live a goodly, moral life |
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"Judgemental ...every one of you....
Oh im a swinger
...each to their own. ..bullshit
Belle to be honest your not doing yourself any favours in lashing out en masse so to speak..
your going on about others being less
than open minded but your coming
across that way also..THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPINION XXX
maybe bail out if its getting to you or something.. "
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While I'm not religious, I can see that faith, however blind or unreasonable to me, can provide comfort, community and happiness. There will be other things, based on less 'ambitious' precepts, that do the same thing, but having never known a real scientologist, I'd like to have heard some of the real experiences, good and bad, that make someone want to join, stay and leave.
Belle? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've always thought that people too often use their beliefs and opinions as a bulwark against personal criticism.
Religion and other alternative belief systems are as open to criticism as any other part of the human experience. |
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"His money, his choices, his beliefs"
exactly, and good luck to him, wish him continued success, and if he wishes to bring his cash to the UK all the better
how old are his kids now? schooling is always a main issue for moving to UK |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ill informed
Sure, the courts in France didn't really sue them, I just made that up. You can't Google it yourself and find it confirmed by multiple sources.
A BBC journalist who does an investigative piece and films it for me to see is ill informed but randomer off the fab forum knows better."
Read the book the BBC journalist wrote about them and the stuff they didn't show .for example how the church go after people who disagree with them and even their families/friends .I their not a religion, their a bullying cult . |
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