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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I refer to the likes of videogames, anime, graphic novels etc...
As someone who's into his geeky stuff (not terribly though, I don't cosplay or attend conventions or anything), I often come across complaints that women are often portrayed as basically being a load of barely dressed tits and ass with little if any actual character, purely there for the (supposedly male) reader to ogle, or a prize for the male hero to win.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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(checks the PC brigade are not about).
Its fiction and i am adult enough to separate that and real life. Some others may not be able to and will complain it objectifies women.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"(checks the PC brigade are not about).
Its fiction and i am adult enough to separate that and real life. Some others may not be able to and will complain it objectifies women.
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Sorry, the PC Brigade alert went off on my computer. I must be the one on duty tonight. 
I find the anime "women" to look like girls with pneumatic, difficult to achieve bodies. My objection is that as in lots of fiction beforehand things haven't moved on much from the damsel in distress waiting to be rescued.
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You know, it's possible to have a conversation about how groups of people are represented in culture without sounding off the 'PC gone mad' alarm.
Stereotypes are boring and reductive, if nothing else.
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"(checks the PC brigade are not about).
Its fiction and i am adult enough to separate that and real life. Some others may not be able to and will complain it objectifies women.
Sorry, the PC Brigade alert went off on my computer. I must be the one on duty tonight.
I find the anime "women" to look like girls with pneumatic, difficult to achieve bodies. My objection is that as in lots of fiction beforehand things haven't moved on much from the damsel in distress waiting to be rescued.
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That's two of us who have a perspective of where is starts ..... |
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"You know, it's possible to have a conversation about how groups of people are represented in culture without sounding off the 'PC gone mad' alarm.
Stereotypes are boring and reductive, if nothing else.
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You mean there are men who can cope with women having an opinion? Well, wonders never cease   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this |
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this "
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here."
Trademark male feminist |
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist "
Yes, I am a feminist.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist
Yes, I am a feminist.
Any actual points to make?"
Lmao, he's a living meme  |
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist
Yes, I am a feminist.
Any actual points to make? Lmao, he's a living meme "
What meme am I? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist
Yes, I am a feminist.
Any actual points to make? Lmao, he's a living meme
What meme am I? "
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist
Yes, I am a feminist.
Any actual points to make? Lmao, he's a living meme
What meme am I? Have you given all your money to women yet?"
Aw. You're funny. *pats* |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist
Yes, I am a feminist.
Any actual points to make? Lmao, he's a living meme
What meme am I? Have you given all your money to women yet?
Aw. You're funny. *pats*"
Typical cis white male. Check your privilege |
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"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist
Yes, I am a feminist.
Any actual points to make? Lmao, he's a living meme
What meme am I? Have you given all your money to women yet?
Aw. You're funny. *pats* Typical cis white male. Check your privilege "
Reminds me more of a spat between my teenage boys at home. Don't know if any of us come here for that though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. "
As if on queue. Do you even know who Anita is? Or anything on Gamergate? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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As a comic book fan myself, I actually like the pneumatic female characters. I like the kick arse ones though. Damsels waiting for a knight do fuck all for me.
Comics and a lot of fiction writing are about fantasy worlds. As long as guys can separate fantasy from reality, I don't see the problem. If objectifying female characters leads them to objectify women, they need to actually get a life.
Vampirella is one of my favourite characters. She wears almost nothing. I think her outfit is great.
Most of the fiction I read has very strong female characters in. Very few sit around waiting to be saved, and in fact, sometimes the guys need saving from them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As a comic book fan myself, I actually like the pneumatic female characters. I like the kick arse ones though. Damsels waiting for a knight do fuck all for me.
Comics and a lot of fiction writing are about fantasy worlds. As long as guys can separate fantasy from reality, I don't see the problem. If objectifying female characters leads them to objectify women, they need to actually get a life.
Vampirella is one of my favourite characters. She wears almost nothing. I think her outfit is great.
Most of the fiction I read has very strong female characters in. Very few sit around waiting to be saved, and in fact, sometimes the guys need saving from them."
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. As if on queue. Do you even know who Anita is? Or anything on Gamergate?"
Oh dear. A Gamergater. Yes, I know all about them and their awfulness. Basically, a bunch of whiny babies who can't stand a woman pointing out sexist tropes in their precious video games.
All very sad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. As if on queue. Do you even know who Anita is? Or anything on Gamergate?
Oh dear. A Gamergater. Yes, I know all about them and their awfulness. Basically, a bunch of whiny babies who can't stand a woman pointing out sexist tropes in their precious video games.
All very sad."
So you think Anita is right? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. "
He seems to read too much anti-feminist stuff written by shock jock "journalists" looking for fame via notoriety, and angry men who can't get laid and doesn't have enough real life experience to separate the truth from the made up.
He's young. |
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. As if on queue. Do you even know who Anita is? Or anything on Gamergate?
Oh dear. A Gamergater. Yes, I know all about them and their awfulness. Basically, a bunch of whiny babies who can't stand a woman pointing out sexist tropes in their precious video games.
All very sad. So you think Anita is right?"
I think she has some good points, she's probably not 100% correct about everything but who is?
The point is - it's criticism. Books, films, music, poetry - they all get criticised and for the most part people dont lose their minds over it even if they disagree. Video game fans need to grow up a bit if they can't take some very basic critiques of the stereotypes in their games.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him.
He seems to read too much anti-feminist stuff written by shock jock "journalists" looking for fame via notoriety, and angry men who can't get laid and doesn't have enough real life experience to separate the truth from the made up.
He's young."
Milo, Dave Rubin, Christina Hoff Sommers and Ben Shapiro don't fit those descriptions lmao. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Rey isn't a damsel in distress, neither is black widow or Wonder Woman. Anime is something else, they're fucking drawings. Anime is self aware, I'm pretty sure the Japanese laugh at this
No one ever said 'every female character ever is a damsel in distress' so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here. Trademark male feminist
Yes, I am a feminist.
Any actual points to make? Lmao, he's a living meme
What meme am I? Have you given all your money to women yet?
Aw. You're funny. *pats* Typical cis white male. Check your privilege "
This is the privilege you claimed didn't exist when it suited you the other day? Or was actually not privilege at all because it meant you are more likely to be killed or commit suicide? That privilege.
Make up your mind. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him.
He seems to read too much anti-feminist stuff written by shock jock "journalists" looking for fame via notoriety, and angry men who can't get laid and doesn't have enough real life experience to separate the truth from the made up.
He's young. Milo, Dave Rubin, Christina Hoff Sommers and Ben Shapiro don't fit those descriptions lmao. "
Milo is the very epitome of an attention seeking shock jock "journalist" who completely ignores facts to publish whatever best fits his agenda and gets him notoriety.
No wonder you're twisted though if you're reading that shit and believing it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"As a comic book fan myself, I actually like the pneumatic female characters. I like the kick arse ones though. Damsels waiting for a knight do fuck all for me.
Comics and a lot of fiction writing are about fantasy worlds. As long as guys can separate fantasy from reality, I don't see the problem. If objectifying female characters leads them to objectify women, they need to actually get a life.
Vampirella is one of my favourite characters. She wears almost nothing. I think her outfit is great.
Most of the fiction I read has very strong female characters in. Very few sit around waiting to be saved, and in fact, sometimes the guys need saving from them."
Looks like we're on similar pages.
I'm far from a feminist, and personally love alluringly (un)dressed women, BUT not at the expense of character. Over-sexualisation is a creepy and tacky gimmick, but if adding that layer of to a female character might ADD to them - like as you mentioned, Vampiress/Temptress/Femme Fatale characters, who it makes sense would use their beauty to their advantage, then yes, I think sexually provocative female characters are a good thing.
I often say, men have physical strength, women have physical beauty - and the women may just have the advantage there, after all, no man could defeat Samson, but Delilah did. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. As if on queue. Do you even know who Anita is? Or anything on Gamergate?
Oh dear. A Gamergater. Yes, I know all about them and their awfulness. Basically, a bunch of whiny babies who can't stand a woman pointing out sexist tropes in their precious video games.
All very sad. So you think Anita is right?
I think she has some good points, she's probably not 100% correct about everything but who is?
The point is - it's criticism. Books, films, music, poetry - they all get criticised and for the most part people dont lose their minds over it even if they disagree. Video game fans need to grow up a bit if they can't take some very basic critiques of the stereotypes in their games.
"
Have you seen her video on the Batman Arkham games? She has no point and is a con woman. If people criticise her they're sexist and harassing her. Kinda ironic. No one is saying she can't criticise things, just she has to take it herself |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him.
He seems to read too much anti-feminist stuff written by shock jock "journalists" looking for fame via notoriety, and angry men who can't get laid and doesn't have enough real life experience to separate the truth from the made up.
He's young. Milo, Dave Rubin, Christina Hoff Sommers and Ben Shapiro don't fit those descriptions lmao.
Milo is the very epitome of an attention seeking shock jock "journalist" who completely ignores facts to publish whatever best fits his agenda and gets him notoriety.
No wonder you're twisted though if you're reading that shit and believing it."
He's hilarious. In his position he can't ignore facts, then people would use them against him in debates |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"As a comic book fan myself, I actually like the pneumatic female characters. I like the kick arse ones though. Damsels waiting for a knight do fuck all for me.
Comics and a lot of fiction writing are about fantasy worlds. As long as guys can separate fantasy from reality, I don't see the problem. If objectifying female characters leads them to objectify women, they need to actually get a life.
Vampirella is one of my favourite characters. She wears almost nothing. I think her outfit is great.
Most of the fiction I read has very strong female characters in. Very few sit around waiting to be saved, and in fact, sometimes the guys need saving from them.
Looks like we're on similar pages.
I'm far from a feminist, and personally love alluringly (un)dressed women, BUT not at the expense of character. Over-sexualisation is a creepy and tacky gimmick, but if adding that layer of to a female character might ADD to them - like as you mentioned, Vampiress/Temptress/Femme Fatale characters, who it makes sense would use their beauty to their advantage, then yes, I think sexually provocative female characters are a good thing.
I often say, men have physical strength, women have physical beauty - and the women may just have the advantage there, after all, no man could defeat Samson, but Delilah did."
Fantasy is good in a lot of ways. As long as the separation between fantasy and reality remains.
Guys who don't know the difference have issues. |
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. As if on queue. Do you even know who Anita is? Or anything on Gamergate?
Oh dear. A Gamergater. Yes, I know all about them and their awfulness. Basically, a bunch of whiny babies who can't stand a woman pointing out sexist tropes in their precious video games.
All very sad. So you think Anita is right?
I think she has some good points, she's probably not 100% correct about everything but who is?
The point is - it's criticism. Books, films, music, poetry - they all get criticised and for the most part people dont lose their minds over it even if they disagree. Video game fans need to grow up a bit if they can't take some very basic critiques of the stereotypes in their games.
Have you seen her video on the Batman Arkham games? She has no point and is a con woman. If people criticise her they're sexist and harassing her. Kinda ironic. No one is saying she can't criticise things, just she has to take it herself "
I'm really not interested in debating the merits of Anita Sarkeesian's videos. But she's released the tweets she gets and they are full of sexism and harassment. It doesn't matter if she is wrong about every single thing - no one deserves that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Having seen how men are portrayed in the trash my wife reads, I can say with no guilt whatsoever, that I don't give a shit if Jessica Rabbit and friends are sexed up etc. etc. etc.
It's fiction. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him.
He seems to read too much anti-feminist stuff written by shock jock "journalists" looking for fame via notoriety, and angry men who can't get laid and doesn't have enough real life experience to separate the truth from the made up.
He's young. Milo, Dave Rubin, Christina Hoff Sommers and Ben Shapiro don't fit those descriptions lmao.
Milo is the very epitome of an attention seeking shock jock "journalist" who completely ignores facts to publish whatever best fits his agenda and gets him notoriety.
No wonder you're twisted though if you're reading that shit and believing it. He's hilarious. In his position he can't ignore facts, then people would use them against him in debates"
He frequently ignores facts. If you had your eyes open and looked for both sides of the debate, you'd see that.
I'm not debating feminism and idiots like Milo with you. That's not the topic of this thread for one, and you don't have the knowledge or life experience to make it worthwhile. I'm not sure why you're so angry but I hope you get past it and that you eventually realise exactly what people like Milo are.
Sorry SB, I'll get back on topic. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As a comic book fan myself, I actually like the pneumatic female characters. I like the kick arse ones though. Damsels waiting for a knight do fuck all for me.
Comics and a lot of fiction writing are about fantasy worlds. As long as guys can separate fantasy from reality, I don't see the problem. If objectifying female characters leads them to objectify women, they need to actually get a life.
Vampirella is one of my favourite characters. She wears almost nothing. I think her outfit is great.
Most of the fiction I read has very strong female characters in. Very few sit around waiting to be saved, and in fact, sometimes the guys need saving from them.
Looks like we're on similar pages.
I'm far from a feminist, and personally love alluringly (un)dressed women, BUT not at the expense of character. Over-sexualisation is a creepy and tacky gimmick, but if adding that layer of to a female character might ADD to them - like as you mentioned, Vampiress/Temptress/Femme Fatale characters, who it makes sense would use their beauty to their advantage, then yes, I think sexually provocative female characters are a good thing.
I often say, men have physical strength, women have physical beauty - and the women may just have the advantage there, after all, no man could defeat Samson, but Delilah did.
Fantasy is good in a lot of ways. As long as the separation between fantasy and reality remains.
Guys who don't know the difference have issues."
And tissues too presumably. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm really not interested in debating the merits of Anita Sarkeesian's videos. But she's released the tweets she gets and they are full of sexism and harassment. It doesn't matter if she is wrong about every single thing - no one deserves that."
A lot of men really can't deal with a woman disagreeing with them, over anything. We should know our place, apparently.
Unfortunately, I do know my place and it's not where any man tells me it is |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has this descended into a person insult thread? Is this a plot of some book or other?
Sorry - this chap seems very angry at women. I'll stop encouraging him. As if on queue. Do you even know who Anita is? Or anything on Gamergate?
Oh dear. A Gamergater. Yes, I know all about them and their awfulness. Basically, a bunch of whiny babies who can't stand a woman pointing out sexist tropes in their precious video games.
All very sad. So you think Anita is right?
I think she has some good points, she's probably not 100% correct about everything but who is?
The point is - it's criticism. Books, films, music, poetry - they all get criticised and for the most part people dont lose their minds over it even if they disagree. Video game fans need to grow up a bit if they can't take some very basic critiques of the stereotypes in their games.
Have you seen her video on the Batman Arkham games? She has no point and is a con woman. If people criticise her they're sexist and harassing her. Kinda ironic. No one is saying she can't criticise things, just she has to take it herself
I'm really not interested in debating the merits of Anita Sarkeesian's videos. But she's released the tweets she gets and they are full of sexism and harassment. It doesn't matter if she is wrong about every single thing - no one deserves that."
OP can't mention women in video games and not expect her name to come up. And agreed, no one not even her deserves that. (I've also seen lots, even on here, talking about killing Donald Trump. Not expecting to debate this just pointing it out) |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"As a comic book fan myself, I actually like the pneumatic female characters. I like the kick arse ones though. Damsels waiting for a knight do fuck all for me.
Comics and a lot of fiction writing are about fantasy worlds. As long as guys can separate fantasy from reality, I don't see the problem. If objectifying female characters leads them to objectify women, they need to actually get a life.
Vampirella is one of my favourite characters. She wears almost nothing. I think her outfit is great.
Most of the fiction I read has very strong female characters in. Very few sit around waiting to be saved, and in fact, sometimes the guys need saving from them.
Looks like we're on similar pages.
I'm far from a feminist, and personally love alluringly (un)dressed women, BUT not at the expense of character. Over-sexualisation is a creepy and tacky gimmick, but if adding that layer of to a female character might ADD to them - like as you mentioned, Vampiress/Temptress/Femme Fatale characters, who it makes sense would use their beauty to their advantage, then yes, I think sexually provocative female characters are a good thing.
I often say, men have physical strength, women have physical beauty - and the women may just have the advantage there, after all, no man could defeat Samson, but Delilah did.
Fantasy is good in a lot of ways. As long as the separation between fantasy and reality remains.
Guys who don't know the difference have issues.
And tissues too presumably."
I expect so. A lot of tissues. |
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Sturgeon's law.
90% of sci-fi is shit.
Can't speak about games as I last played a video game about 20 years ago (tomb raider 2)
Graphic novels. Tank girl has character and very little clothing.
The rest of my reading tends to be Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman. If the clothing is skimpy, it's normally essential to the story, or in character.
If I want to ogle. I'll look at porn, not pseudo-porn.
That goes for '50 shades of grey', too. |
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