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"Save your breath. There is a slim majority of people who will vote to remain in the EU; a minority wanting to leave and between 15-20% undecided. The In campaign/Project Fear/Whatever will scare the crap out of the undecided and we will remain in the EU. No question. It's a massive waste of time and money. Can we get on with our live please?" it already happened in Scotland (project fear) and Project Fear done its job well, the sheep listened and followed | |||
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"Save your breath. The In campaign/Project Fear/Whatever will scare the crap out of the undecided and we will remain in the EU. No question." is this the same project fear that the scottish nationalists claim was used by everyone who wanted to vote against independence? just curious...... because one side were telling people everything would be fine and dandy and they would get everything they wanted on their terms of leaving....... and the other side was saying... lets be realistic... obviously one side said all their calculations were based on an oil price of 120 dollars a barrel...... oopsie... if they side had left... what shit would they be in right now? I honestly believe if england... and lets call it what it truely is... decided to leave, i don't see how you could deny scotland, wales and northern ireland votes to leave the uk if the majority of the people living in those countries decide to want to stay..... | |||
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"Save your breath. The In campaign/Project Fear/Whatever will scare the crap out of the undecided and we will remain in the EU. No question. is this the same project fear that the scottish nationalists claim was used by everyone who wanted to vote against independence? just curious...... because one side were telling people everything would be fine and dandy and they would get everything they wanted on their terms of leaving....... and the other side was saying... lets be realistic... obviously one side said all their calculations were based on an oil price of 120 dollars a barrel...... oopsie... if they side had left... what shit would they be in right now? I honestly believe if england... and lets call it what it truely is... decided to leave, i don't see how you could deny scotland, wales and northern ireland votes to leave the uk if the majority of the people living in those countries decide to want to stay....." you need to go back and revise your homework laddy | |||
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" you need to go back and revise your homework laddy" I don't think i do.... the lovely yellow book the snp produced for the yes side stated all economic calculations were based on oil costing 120 dollars a barrel.... go and have a lookie.... so answer my question..... what would you be looking at now with oil costing 40 dollars.... which policies/projects would you be cutting right now? or which taxes would you be putting up???? | |||
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" you need to go back and revise your homework laddy I don't think i do.... the lovely yellow book the snp produced for the yes side stated all economic calculations were based on oil costing 120 dollars a barrel.... go and have a lookie.... so answer my question..... what would you be looking at now with oil costing 40 dollars.... which policies/projects would you be cutting right now? or which taxes would you be putting up???? " What do you recommend Fabio? In or out? Even though I'm not Bernie's biggest fan I trust your judgement lol | |||
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"The last thread was closed due to the huge response and some well put views from both sides Counting up from the last thread it looks like the vast majority were for exit, this may change as weeks go by, although I think most have decided one way or another which way they are voting and it will take a lot to change their views Will this thread continue to be a majority exit of EU or will minds change what's your view; do you want to remain or exit EU? and if time allows, why?" I know a way of still posting on the other thread, and i just did. | |||
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" What do you recommend Fabio? In or out? Even though I'm not Bernie's biggest fan I trust your judgement lol" my opinion is the same as was in the independence debate.... i just want someone on the leave side to be brutally honest and tell me the worst thing that could happen if we voted to leave.... I don't want to hear rosey pictures, because they aren't realisitic... so i would someone to be brutal, be honest and tell me everything bad that could happen... and if I can say to myself "well i can live with that!" then i'll vote to leave..... if they aren't willing to do that.. just like the yes side in the independence debate were unwilling to.... i'll vote to stay i don't need leaders who are a bunch of rosey eyed fellows... i need a bunch of leaders who are realists and pragmatists... | |||
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"Save your breath. There is a slim majority of people who will vote to remain in the EU; a minority wanting to leave and between 15-20% undecided. The In campaign/Project Fear/Whatever will scare the crap out of the undecided and we will remain in the EU. No question. It's a massive waste of time and money. Can we get on with our live please?" For the record I think the UK is better off in the EU | |||
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"Save your breath. There is a slim majority of people who will vote to remain in the EU; a minority wanting to leave and between 15-20% undecided. The In campaign/Project Fear/Whatever will scare the crap out of the undecided and we will remain in the EU. No question. It's a massive waste of time and money. Can we get on with our live please?" Depends what polls you want to take a look at really. Some polls put Leave in the lead, some polls put Remain in the lead. A recent poll of polls showed the two sides virtually neck and neck, Remain in on 49%, Leave on 47% i think were the figures. Some polls put Leave in front by a huge margin, a poll by The Express and Star newspaper showed the following results... Leave the EU....80% Remain in the EU....16% Don't know...4% www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/03/15/eu-referendum-brexit-is-what-we-want-express-and-star-survey/ A poll by Christian television station Revelation Television showed an even bigger margin in Favour of Brexit, their poll showed the following results... Leave the EU...90% Remain in the EU....10% | |||
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? " Look at the numbers | |||
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? Look at the numbers" The weight of the In campaign (which is all-pervasive) and the pre-existing numbers it will be, as Fabio said, like the Scots referendum. The Out campaign will never be happy with anything. Tough titty | |||
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? Look at the numbers" And what numbers are you referring to ? Don't say polls Because you are even more deluded if you think they are always correct. | |||
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"Depends what polls you want to take a look at really. Some polls put Leave in the lead, some polls put Remain in the lead. A recent poll of polls showed the two sides virtually neck and neck, Remain in on 49%, Leave on 47% i think were the figures. Some polls put Leave in front by a huge margin, a poll by The Express and Star newspaper showed the following results... Leave the EU....80% Remain in the EU....16% Don't know...4% www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/03/15/eu-referendum-brexit-is-what-we-want-express-and-star-survey/ A poll by Christian television station Revelation Television showed an even bigger margin in Favour of Brexit, their poll showed the following results... Leave the EU...90% Remain in the EU....10%" Again, depends on where you get your numbers from, who's commissioning the poll, what their bent is, what questions were asked exactly &c &c | |||
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? Look at the numbers And what numbers are you referring to ? Don't say polls Because you are even more deluded if you think they are always correct." Ok, whatever. You've clearly made up your mind - which is fine - so nothing I say will convince you. I'd be wasting my time and your blood-pressure. | |||
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"Save your breath. There is a slim majority of people who will vote to remain in the EU; a minority wanting to leave and between 15-20% undecided. The In campaign/Project Fear/Whatever will scare the crap out of the undecided and we will remain in the EU. No question. It's a massive waste of time and money. Can we get on with our live please? Depends what polls you want to take a look at really. Some polls put Leave in the lead, some polls put Remain in the lead. A recent poll of polls showed the two sides virtually neck and neck, Remain in on 49%, Leave on 47% i think were the figures. Some polls put Leave in front by a huge margin, a poll by The Express and Star newspaper showed the following results... Leave the EU....80% Remain in the EU....16% Don't know...4% www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/03/15/eu-referendum-brexit-is-what-we-want-express-and-star-survey/ A poll by Christian television station Revelation Television showed an even bigger margin in Favour of Brexit, their poll showed the following results... Leave the EU...90% Remain in the EU....10% " Revelation Television? You are seriously quoting Revelation Television haha A poll of local hegdgehog farmers and toenail craftsmen resulted in the following: In: 47% Out: 39% Wibble: 68% | |||
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? Look at the numbers The weight of the In campaign (which is all-pervasive) and the pre-existing numbers it will be, as Fabio said, like the Scots referendum. The Out campaign will never be happy with anything. Tough titty" The weight ? Lol The Scottish referendum has nothing to do with the eu. I suggest you go read some facts on the benifits of leaving the eu. Before you try to argue with a statement like Tough titty 
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? Look at the numbers And what numbers are you referring to ? Don't say polls Because you are even more deluded if you think they are always correct. Ok, whatever. You've clearly made up your mind - which is fine - so nothing I say will convince you. I'd be wasting my time and your blood-pressure. "That the best you got ? Whatever ? Pmsl you are a fool, really a fool. You will be wasting your life not time of you do not research this properly ! And my blood pressure was fine until a comment from you saying we are better off in the eu, with no explanation. I infact was all for the eu and have been for years untill, I opened my eyes and had a look at some facts. | |||
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"The last thread was closed due to the huge response and some well put views from both sides Counting up from the last thread it looks like the vast majority were for exit, this may change as weeks go by, although I think most have decided one way or another which way they are voting and it will take a lot to change their views Will this thread continue to be a majority exit of EU or will minds change what's your view; do you want to remain or exit EU? and if time allows, why?" exit! Mainly because europe is unelected, it,s changed from what we originally joined, determine how we run our own country to some extent anyway. My only concern is we would need strong leaders.. Not the shite government we have now. (arrogant, devisive, corrupt, hypocritical, cowardly, lying, sly twofaced, greedy) | |||
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"Save your breath. There is a slim majority of people who will vote to remain in the EU; a minority wanting to leave and between 15-20% undecided. The In campaign/Project Fear/Whatever will scare the crap out of the undecided and we will remain in the EU. No question. It's a massive waste of time and money. Can we get on with our live please? Depends what polls you want to take a look at really. Some polls put Leave in the lead, some polls put Remain in the lead. A recent poll of polls showed the two sides virtually neck and neck, Remain in on 49%, Leave on 47% i think were the figures. Some polls put Leave in front by a huge margin, a poll by The Express and Star newspaper showed the following results... Leave the EU....80% Remain in the EU....16% Don't know...4% www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/03/15/eu-referendum-brexit-is-what-we-want-express-and-star-survey/ A poll by Christian television station Revelation Television showed an even bigger margin in Favour of Brexit, their poll showed the following results... Leave the EU...90% Remain in the EU....10% Revelation Television? You are seriously quoting Revelation Television haha A poll of local hegdgehog farmers and toenail craftsmen resulted in the following: In: 47% Out: 39% Wibble: 68%" Funny i googled poll by local hedgehog farmers and toenail craftsmen and nothing came up, LOL. You can easily find the Revelation television EU poll result if you google it though (can't post a link to it because its not allowed within forum rules. There is a large Christian community in Britain if the Revelation tv poll is any indication of how the Christian community intend to vote in this referendum then i think that could be quite significant to the final result. I did post the link to The Express and Star newspaper poll in origianl comment. | |||
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"Some polls put Leave in front by a huge margin, a poll by The Express and Star newspaper showed the following results... Leave the EU....80% Remain in the EU....16% Don't know...4% www.expressandstar.com/news/politics/2016/03/15/eu-referendum-brexit-is-what-we-want-express-and-star-survey/ A poll by Christian television station Revelation Television showed an even bigger margin in Favour of Brexit, their poll showed the following results... Leave the EU...90% Remain in the EU....10% " As I mentioned last time you quoted this, I tell my 10 year old that everyday should be a school day - a chance to learn something. Though I suggested where to look, you were obviously too busy. So, just for you, it's here: The 1936 Literary Digest Poll The presidential election of 1936 pitted Alfred Landon, the Republican governor of Kansas, against the incumbent President, Franklin D. Roosevelt. The year 1936 marked the end of the Great Depression, and economic issues such as unemployment and government spending were the dominant themes of the campaign. The Literary Digest was one of the most respected magazines of the time and had a history of accurately predicting the winners of presidential elections that dated back to 1916. For the 1936 election, the Literary Digest prediction was that Landon would get 57% of the vote against Roosevelt's 43% (these are the statistics that the poll measured). The actual results of the election were 62% for Roosevelt against 38% for Landon (these were the parameters the poll was trying to measure). The sampling error in the Literary Digest poll was a whopping 19%, the largest ever in a major public opinion poll. Practically all of the sampling error was the result of sample bias. The irony of the situation was that the Literary Digest poll was also one of the largest and most expensive polls ever conducted, with a sample size of around 2.4 million people! At the same time the Literary Digest was making its fateful mistake, George Gallup was able to predict a victory for Roosevelt using a much smaller sample of about 50,000 people. This illustrates the fact that bad sampling methods cannot be cured by increasing the size of the sample, which in fact just compounds the mistakes. The critical issue in sampling is not sample size but how best to reduce sample bias. There are many different ways that bias can creep into the sample selection process. Two of the most common occurred in the case of the Literary Digest poll. The Literary Digest's method for choosing its sample was as follows: Based on every telephone directory in the United States, lists of magazine subscribers, rosters of clubs and associations, and other sources, a mailing list of about 10 million names was created. Every name on this lest was mailed a mock ballot and asked to return the marked ballot to the magazine. One cannot help but be impressed by the sheer ambition of such a project. Nor is is surprising that the magazine's optimism and confidence were in direct proportion to the magnitude of its effort. In its August 22, 1936 issue, the Litereary Digest announced: Once again, [we are] asking more than ten million voters -- one out of four, representing every county in the United States -- to settle November's election in October. Next week, the first answers from these ten million will begin the incoming tide of marked ballots, to be triple-checked, verified, five-times cross-classified and totaled. When the last figure has been totted and checked, if past experience is a criterion, the country will know to within a fraction of 1 percent the actual popular vote of forty million [voters]. There were two basic causes of the Literary Digest's downfall: selection bias and nonresponse bias. The first major problem with the poll was in the selection process for the names on the mailing list, which were taken from telephone directories, club membership lists, lists of magazine subscibers, etc. Such a list is guaranteed to be slanted toward middle- and upper-class voters, and by default to exclude lower-income voters. One must remember that in 1936, telephones were much more of a luxury than they are today. Furthermore, at a time when there were still 9 million people unemployed, the names of a significant segment of the population would not show up on lists of club memberships and magazine subscribers. At least with regard to economic status, the Literary Digest mailing list was far from being a representative cross-seciton of the population. This is always a critical problem because voters are generally known to vote their pocketbooks, and it was magnified in the 1936 election when economic issues were preeminent in the minds of the voters. This sort of sample bias is called selection bias. The second problem with the Literary Digest poll was that out of the 10 million people whose names were on the original mailing list, only about 2.4 million responded to the survey. Thus, the size of the sample was about one-fourth of what was originally intended. People who respond to surveys are different from people who don't, not only in the obvious way (their attitude toward surveys) but also in more subtle and significant ways. When the response rate is low (as it was in this case, 0.24), a survey is said to suffer from nonresponse bias. This is a special type of selection bias where reluctant and nonresponsive people are excluded from the sample. Dealing with nonresponse bias presents its own set of difficulties. We can't force people to participate in a survey, and paying them is hardly ever asolution since it can introduce other forms of bias. There are ways, however, of minimizing nonresponse bias. For example, the Literary Digest survey was conducted by mail. This approach is the most likely to magnify nonresponse bias because people often consider a mailed questionnaire just another form of junk mail. Of course, considering the size of the mailing list, the Literary Digest really had no other choice. Here again is an illustration of how a big sample size can be more of a liability than an asset. Nowadays, almost all legitimate public opinion polls are conducted either by telephone or by personal interviews. Telephone polling is subject to slightly more nonresponse bias than personal interviews, but it is considerably cheaper. Even today, however, a significant segment of the population has no telephone in their homes (in fact, a significant segment of the population has no homes), so that selection bias can still be a problem in telephone surveys. The most extreme form of nonresponse bias occurs when the sample consists only of those individuals who step forward and actually "volunteer" to be in the sample. A blatant example of this is the 900-number telephone polls, in which an individual not only has to step forward, but he or she actually has to pay to do so. It goes without saying that people who are willing to pay to express their opinions are hardly representative of the general public and that information collected from such polls should be considered suspect at best. Two morals of the story: A badly chosen big sample is much worse than a well-chosen small sample Watch out for selection bias and nonresponse bias. | |||
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? Look at the numbers And what numbers are you referring to ? Don't say polls Because you are even more deluded if you think they are always correct. Ok, whatever. You've clearly made up your mind - which is fine - so nothing I say will convince you. I'd be wasting my time and your blood-pressure.
That the best you got ?
Whatever ?
Pmsl you are a fool, really a fool.
You will be wasting your life not time of you do not research this properly !
And my blood pressure was fine until a comment from you saying we are better off in the eu, with no explanation.
I infact was all for the eu and have been for years untill, I opened my eyes and had a look at some facts."Is you user name "it's good to talk" to show that you can do irony? It's quite clever. You take Brexit bullying and aggression to a new level. I'm sure Team Brexit will be proud to have you on board. | |||
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"i googled poll by local hedgehog farmers and toenail craftsmen and nothing came up " IS incredibly funny. | |||
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" you need to go back and revise your homework laddy I don't think i do.... the lovely yellow book the snp produced for the yes side stated all economic calculations were based on oil costing 120 dollars a barrel.... go and have a lookie.... so answer my question..... what would you be looking at now with oil costing 40 dollars.... which policies/projects would you be cutting right now? or which taxes would you be putting up???? " Oil was not required in the equation for independence but then you already know that | |||
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" The Scottish referendum has nothing to do with the eu. I suggest you go read some facts on the benifits of leaving the eu. Before you try to argue with a statement like Tough titty
I can see you have used your educated brain for that comment lol "actually the two have much more in common than you think.... if you are spoke out against scot independence like you speak out about leaving the EU..... you are accused of spouting "project fear" or you are accused of scarmongering... both painted such a rosey picture of what life would be like after the vote in there favour.... and obviously would get everything they wanted in the leaving bargaining.... and when you ask "well what happened when you don't get......." the answer is always "well we will get everything we want!!!!" and the seems to be a very vocal side then are being intimidated and shot down by another whenever a valid point is raise.... lets see if the silent majority win thru again.....  | |||
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" Oil was not required in the equation for independence but then you already know that" but oil was the major factor on which your economic forecasts and revenues were based......
so.... fancy answer my question now.... where would the axe have swung bearing in mind all the ecomomic figures that it was calculated on were so badly wrong!!!!
and that is why i love the people who want to leave the EU never answer the question.... what would you say if you get it wrong/ where does the axe fall... because "oops my bad" doesn't really help future generations of people.... | |||
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"centaur_UK You are so, so right (and it's not often I have said that!).... i googled poll by local hedgehog farmers and toenail craftsmen and nothing came up IS incredibly funny." That was a toungue in cheek comment, Sarcasm, but you clearly did'nt get it. 
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"don't think i'll bother casting a vote .... it all seems such a waste of time" i don't see the fact that you get to make a decision that will effect you and future generations to come can be seen as a "waste of time"........ but that's me... The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing obviously the use of the word "evil" in this context on either side is extreme.... but the basic premise remains the same... | |||
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" Oil was not required in the equation for independence but then you already know that but oil was the major factor on which your economic forecasts and revenues were based......
so.... fancy answer my question now.... where would the axe have swung bearing in mind all the ecomomic figures that it was calculated on were so badly wrong!!!!
and that is why i love the people who want to leave the EU never answer the question.... what would you say if you get it wrong/ where does the axe fall... because "oops my bad" doesn't really help future generations of people...."This is a very valid point and cannot simply be brushed over with the statement "They need us more than we need them, so we won't have any problems." The U.K. Leaving the EU will cause great harm to the community and there would be zero motivation for those who have been harmed to turn the other cheek and change all EU policies and procedures to enable the UK to have beneficial terms after the UK had just gave the EU a severe kick to the bollocks. I personally believe that the UK will vote to leave and a very sad day it will be. However if that happens I also see the Conservative government imploding and DC resigning after a failed campaign and a resulting election brought about by a vote of no confidence in the Government. I then see a pro European coalition government coming to power and a further referendum after a period of time has passed during which time the EU will have demonstrated a very hardball exit negotiation. | |||
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"centaur_UK You are so, so right (and it's not often I have said that!).... i googled poll by local hedgehog farmers and toenail craftsmen and nothing came up IS incredibly funny. That was a toungue in cheek comment, Sarcasm, but you clearly did'nt get it.
As you keep telling your 10 year old every day is a school day though, maybe you should apply that to yourself and go look up sarcasm in the dictionary. "lol  | |||
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"don't think i'll bother casting a vote .... it all seems such a waste of time i don't see the fact that you get to make a decision that will effect you and future generations to come can be seen as a "waste of time"........ but that's me... The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing obviously the use of the word "evil" in this context on either side is extreme.... but the basic premise remains the same... "nice soundbyte but a load of idealistic cobblers fit for one of those annoying motivational posters managers put up in the workplace. i don't think it will affect me in any dramatic way wether we're in or out. the same clowns will still be in charge and i have no responsibility to future generations either. | |||
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"centaur_UK You are so, so right (and it's not often I have said that!).... i googled poll by local hedgehog farmers and toenail craftsmen and nothing came up IS incredibly funny. That was a toungue in cheek comment, Sarcasm, but you clearly did'nt get it.
As you keep telling your 10 year old every day is a school day though, maybe you should apply that to yourself and go look up sarcasm in the dictionary. "No, I knew sarcasm - the use of irony to mock or show contempt. Which is sad because the original post was very funny. | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing "Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King? | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?"it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?
it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition"No. The quote is: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." And it's Edmund Burke, if memory serves. | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?
it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition
No.
The quote is:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
And it's Edmund Burke, if memory serves. "this is burkes quote .... "No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united Cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?
it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition
No.
The quote is:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
And it's Edmund Burke, if memory serves.
this is burkes quote ....
"No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united Cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.""unfortunately Burke was on the side of the reactionaries. In spite of his ability for a quote he was batting for the wrong side, so to speak - Defending priviledge. Tom Paine's "The Rights of Man" was a response to Burke's mummery. | |||
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"Given that the PM said if jean claude juncker becomes head of the EU I will take the UK out - but didn't. Given that the PM said I will not under any circumstances pay the 1.7bn EU but paid it on the quiet. Given that the PM said that he would take the UK out the EU if he could not renegotiate our terms and has not renegotiated anything!!!!! Given that EU fines us adhoc for various issues that can not even be proved. We are voting OUT!" Do you have any logic of getting you from your PM lying to you on several topics to the jump of you voting to leave the EU? Do you have any specifics on EU fines for ad hoc issues that can not even be proved? Is the 'we' you yourself, you and your partner or you and your British only workforce you told us earlier that you recruited by illegally discriminating against any non-British applicants? | |||
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" Oil was not required in the equation for independence but then you already know that but oil was the major factor on which your economic forecasts and revenues were based......
so.... fancy answer my question now.... where would the axe have swung bearing in mind all the ecomomic figures that it was calculated on were so badly wrong!!!!
and that is why i love the people who want to leave the EU never answer the question.... what would you say if you get it wrong/ where does the axe fall... because "oops my bad" doesn't really help future generations of people....
This is a very valid point and cannot simply be brushed over with the statement "They need us more than we need them, so we won't have any problems."
The U.K. Leaving the EU will cause great harm to the community and there would be zero motivation for those who have been harmed to turn the other cheek and change all EU policies and procedures to enable the UK to have beneficial terms after the UK had just gave the EU a severe kick to the bollocks.
I personally believe that the UK will vote to leave and a very sad day it will be. However if that happens I also see the Conservative government imploding and DC resigning after a failed campaign and a resulting election brought about by a vote of no confidence in the Government. I then see a pro European coalition government coming to power and a further referendum after a period of time has passed during which time the EU will have demonstrated a very hardball exit negotiation.
". So you want me to throw my hat in with a bunch of vindictive twats!. . . I'm not throwing my hat in for trade or wealth! It really doesn't mean that much to me!. . . My only concern about the EU is it's expansionist desires, it's middle ground of (not one state and not separate states) and it's inability to react quickly to situations. . If they sorted them out, I'd think about voting in | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?
it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition
No.
The quote is:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
And it's Edmund Burke, if memory serves.
this is burkes quote ....
"No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united Cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
unfortunately Burke was on the side of the reactionaries. In spite of his ability for a quote he was batting for the wrong side, so to speak - Defending priviledge. Tom Paine's "The Rights of Man" was a response to Burke's mummery."it was a response to burkes book "Reflections on the Revolution in France" which in turn was an attack on my great,great,great,great,great,great grandfathers book "A Discourse on the Love of our Country" | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?
it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition
No.
The quote is:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
And it's Edmund Burke, if memory serves.
this is burkes quote ....
"No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united Cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
unfortunately Burke was on the side of the reactionaries. In spite of his ability for a quote he was batting for the wrong side, so to speak - Defending priviledge. Tom Paine's "The Rights of Man" was a response to Burke's mummery.
it was a response to burkes book "Reflections on the Revolution in France" which in turn was an attack on my great,great,great,great,great,great grandfathers book "A Discourse on the Love of our Country""Richard Price is your ancestor? That's fucking cool!! | |||
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" . So you want me to throw my hat in with a bunch of vindictive twats!. . . I'm not throwing my hat in for trade or wealth! It really doesn't mean that much to me!. . . My only concern about the EU is it's expansionist desires, it's middle ground of (not one state and not separate states) and it's inability to react quickly to situations. . If they sorted them out, I'd think about voting in " i love _oo hot's analogy thought...... nobodies reaction to be kicked in the balls is to say "please sir, may i have another!"......  their reaction is likely to try and kick you in the balls even harder...
at that stage do you really think the UK is going to get some sort of "sweetheart" deal after you have effected up to 27 countries economies..... I don't think so.....
they will be looking out for their own interests.... and if you are think "but the uk would never do that to anyone!" look what you would have done to scotland on their way out of the union!!! | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?
it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition
No.
The quote is:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
And it's Edmund Burke, if memory serves.
this is burkes quote ....
"No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united Cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
unfortunately Burke was on the side of the reactionaries. In spite of his ability for a quote he was batting for the wrong side, so to speak - Defending priviledge. Tom Paine's "The Rights of Man" was a response to Burke's mummery.
it was a response to burkes book "Reflections on the Revolution in France" which in turn was an attack on my great,great,great,great,great,great grandfathers book "A Discourse on the Love of our Country"
Richard Price is your ancestor? That's fucking cool!!"yep ... and george cadogan morgan is in the family tree too | |||
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" The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing
Brilliant quote. Was that Martin Luther King?
it's a misquote of rev. Charles Aked talking about prohibition
No.
The quote is:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
And it's Edmund Burke, if memory serves.
this is burkes quote ....
"No man, who is not inflamed by vain-glory into enthusiasm, can flatter himself that his single, unsupported, desultory, unsystematic endeavours are of power to defeat the subtle designs and united Cabals of ambitious citizens. When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
unfortunately Burke was on the side of the reactionaries. In spite of his ability for a quote he was batting for the wrong side, so to speak - Defending priviledge. Tom Paine's "The Rights of Man" was a response to Burke's mummery.
it was a response to burkes book "Reflections on the Revolution in France" which in turn was an attack on my great,great,great,great,great,great grandfathers book "A Discourse on the Love of our Country"
Richard Price is your ancestor? That's fucking cool!!
yep ... and george cadogan morgan is in the family tree too" Didn't know about George, but will look him up.
There were so many dissenters and revolutionaries in the FR period, I love reading about them. Cookson's "The Friends of Peace" is a wonderful book on the era. | |||
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"Heart says leave, head says stay... The snag is that ten years down the road we will have an EU superstate." It will have fallen apart by then | |||
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"Out and wave goodbye to the dam immigrants" Which ones? Those who are already here? Those we are recruiting from the Philippines? Out vote will not reduce immigration, only rewriting our laws will do that, and we can do that now and haven't so voting out won't change it. | |||
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"Out and wave goodbye to the dam immigrants Which ones? Those who are already here? Those we are recruiting from the Philippines? Out vote will not reduce immigration, only rewriting our laws will do that, and we can do that now and haven't so voting out won't change it. " We can rewrite our laws now? | |||
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"Out and wave goodbye to the dam immigrants" should i be expecting my marching papers then? | |||
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"We can rewrite our laws now?" Well that is what the UK government are supposed to do, but they often don't and if they do they screw it up. | |||
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"Out and wave goodbye to the dam immigrants should i be expecting my marching papers then? "Vote keep Fabio campaign just starting up. | |||
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"Out and wave goodbye to the dam immigrants" Ah great. So maybe you could help me on something? I've posted this data before, but to save you having to research it, here is some recent data from Guardian research. Question: Approximately what percentage of the UK population do you believe were born in other EU countries? Survey answers: Less than 10% 16%; 11-20% 23%; 21-30%. 19%; 31-40% 19%; 41-50% 11%; 51-60% 6%; 61-70%. 2%; 71-80%. 2%; 81-90% 1%; 91-100% 0% Average estimate 28% The average view of UKIP and Brexit supporters was 34% Over one in ten surveyed thought that more than 50% of the UK Population was born in other EU countries. The actual answer (Office for National Statistics figures for year ending December 2014) show that 8.3 million UK residents, 13% of the total population, were born abroad. However, only 3 million of those were born in an EU country so the actual figure is less than 5%. Question: Approximately how many UK nationals do you think live in other EU countries? For reference, the total population of the UK is 64.1 million while the total population of all EU countries (including UK) is 503 million. Survey answers: Fewer than 100,000 6%; 100,001-250,000 9%; 250,001-500,000 14%; 500,001-1 million 19%; 1-1.5 million 17%; 1.5-2 million 9%; 2-2.5 million 9%; 2.5-3 million 5%; 3-3.5 million 3%; 3.5-4 million 2%; 4-4.5 million 1%; 4.5-5 million 2%; More than 5 million 4% Average estimate 1.48 million Actual answer: (According to figures used in a government response to a parliamentary question by Matthew Oakeshott in 2014) the real figure is 2.2 million. There are just over 1 million Britons living in Spain, 330,000 in France, 329,000 in Ireland, 107,000 in Germany, 65,000 in Cyprus, 48,000 in the Netherlands, 45,000 in Greece, 39,000 in Portugal and 37,000 in Italy. In other words, net migration to the UK from the EU since Mastrict Treaty in 1992 is about 800,000 in 24 years. Note then that much less than half of UK immigration is fron EU nationals. So, my question. If you are so concerned about immigration, why are you so fixated on leaving the EU to address the 40% and yet seem unconcerned about the 60% that has nothing to do with the EU? Especially as being a member of the EU means that over 2million Brits now live in other EU countries, giving net immigration figures of only around 1 million. | |||
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"Out and wave goodbye to the dam immigrants Ah great. So maybe you could help me on something? I've posted this data before, but to save you having to research it, here is some recent data from Guardian research. Question: Approximately what percentage of the UK population do you believe were born in other EU countries? Survey answers: Less than 10% 16%; 11-20% 23%; 21-30%. 19%; 31-40% 19%; 41-50% 11%; 51-60% 6%; 61-70%. 2%; 71-80%. 2%; 81-90% 1%; 91-100% 0% Average estimate 28% The average view of UKIP and Brexit supporters was 34% Over one in ten surveyed thought that more than 50% of the UK Population was born in other EU countries. The actual answer (Office for National Statistics figures for year ending December 2014) show that 8.3 million UK residents, 13% of the total population, were born abroad. However, only 3 million of those were born in an EU country so the actual figure is less than 5%. Question: Approximately how many UK nationals do you think live in other EU countries? For reference, the total population of the UK is 64.1 million while the total population of all EU countries (including UK) is 503 million. Survey answers: Fewer than 100,000 6%; 100,001-250,000 9%; 250,001-500,000 14%; 500,001-1 million 19%; 1-1.5 million 17%; 1.5-2 million 9%; 2-2.5 million 9%; 2.5-3 million 5%; 3-3.5 million 3%; 3.5-4 million 2%; 4-4.5 million 1%; 4.5-5 million 2%; More than 5 million 4% Average estimate 1.48 million Actual answer: (According to figures used in a government response to a parliamentary question by Matthew Oakeshott in 2014) the real figure is 2.2 million. There are just over 1 million Britons living in Spain, 330,000 in France, 329,000 in Ireland, 107,000 in Germany, 65,000 in Cyprus, 48,000 in the Netherlands, 45,000 in Greece, 39,000 in Portugal and 37,000 in Italy. In other words, net migration to the UK from the EU since Mastrict Treaty in 1992 is about 800,000 in 24 years. Note then that much less than half of UK immigration is fron EU nationals. So, my question. If you are so concerned about immigration, why are you so fixated on leaving the EU to address the 40% and yet seem unconcerned about the 60% that has nothing to do with the EU? Especially as being a member of the EU means that over 2million Brits now live in other EU countries, giving net immigration figures of only around 1 million. " if we stay in and Turkey join do your sums again in 5 years and then we can see what the figures show then that's if the UK is still here after Isis blows it up as the will come in with the other migrants as we know they are already here | |||
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"if we stay in and Turkey join do your sums again in 5 years and then we can see what the figures show then that's if the UK is still here after Isis blows it up as the will come in with the other migrants as we know they are already here" Immigration from non EU countries will not be resolved by leaving the EU, so your comment on Isis makes no sense. If our government got on with the job of making benefits contribution dependant, then nobody could come from the EU without having a living wage job lined up, or sufficient wealth to keep them going until they got a job. Immigration is not a reason to leave the EU, but the opportunity for all in Europe to live and work anywhere in Europe is a positive benefit and a great reason o stay in. | |||
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"i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be given my eviction papers by tedanddarcy........ "You will be OK, if Trump gets in he won't let you back anyway, being a Tyne radical from that dangerous suburb of London you lived in | |||
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"if we stay in and Turkey join do your sums again in 5 years and then we can see what the figures show then that's if the UK is still here after Isis blows it up as the will come in with the other migrants as we know they are already here Immigration from non EU countries will not be resolved by leaving the EU, so your comment on Isis makes no sense. If our government got on with the job of making benefits contribution dependant, then nobody could come from the EU without having a living wage job lined up, or sufficient wealth to keep them going until they got a job. Immigration is not a reason to leave the EU, but the opportunity for all in Europe to live and work anywhere in Europe is a positive benefit and a great reason o stay in." No what it does is make us unfairly discriminate against people outside of the EU. If we leave the EU we can then put in place our own domestic immigration policy which treats all individuals equally. As it currently stands while we are members of the EU we must give unfair priority/advantage to anyone with an EU passport which as I just said discriminates against non EU citizens. This is an old fashioned way of doing things in a modern globalised world which we have today. We can control our borders better if we leave the EU (we can make it clear that it is one of our red lines in any Brexit negotiations with the EU that we will no longer accept free movement of people), we can put in place a much fairer immigration system which treats individuals equally no matter where they come from. | |||
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"if we stay in and Turkey join do your sums again in 5 years and then we can see what the figures show then that's if the UK is still here after Isis blows it up as the will come in with the other migrants as we know they are already here Immigration from non EU countries will not be resolved by leaving the EU, so your comment on Isis makes no sense. If our government got on with the job of making benefits contribution dependant, then nobody could come from the EU without having a living wage job lined up, or sufficient wealth to keep them going until they got a job. Immigration is not a reason to leave the EU, but the opportunity for all in Europe to live and work anywhere in Europe is a positive benefit and a great reason o stay in. No what it does is make us unfairly discriminate against people outside of the EU. If we leave the EU we can then put in place our own domestic immigration policy which treats all individuals equally. As it currently stands while we are members of the EU we must give unfair priority/advantage to anyone with an EU passport which as I just said discriminates against non EU citizens. This is an old fashioned way of doing things in a modern globalised world which we have today. We can control our borders better if we leave the EU (we can make it clear that it is one of our red lines in any Brexit negotiations with the EU that we will no longer accept free movement of people), we can put in place a much fairer immigration system which treats individuals equally no matter where they come from. " Including Turkey? | |||
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"i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be given my eviction papers by tedanddarcy........ "Sounds like you have fallen victim to David Cameron's Project Fear tactics when you make statements like that. | |||
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"i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be given my eviction papers by tedanddarcy........
Sounds like you have fallen victim to David Cameron's Project Fear tactics when you make statements like that. "I wasn't the one to make the statement..... it was your "friends" tedanddarcy what i want people to think of is that when they make ridiculous general statements like that, there are actual people behind those statements..... | |||
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"Exit Then the EU won't let us go... cue another renegotiation with major changes to our powers. In the meantime borders need controlled to stop a very real terrorist threat... has anyone ever tried to get into Australia? That's a system we need.. " If you knew Australia's history you'd recognise the irony of your statement. | |||
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" . So you want me to throw my hat in with a bunch of vindictive twats!. . . I'm not throwing my hat in for trade or wealth! It really doesn't mean that much to me!. . . My only concern about the EU is it's expansionist desires, it's middle ground of (not one state and not separate states) and it's inability to react quickly to situations. . If they sorted them out, I'd think about voting in i love _oo hot's analogy thought...... nobodies reaction to be kicked in the balls is to say "please sir, may i have another!"...... their reaction is likely to try and kick you in the balls even harder...
at that stage do you really think the UK is going to get some sort of "sweetheart" deal after you have effected up to 27 countries economies..... I don't think so.....
they will be looking out for their own interests.... and if you are think "but the uk would never do that to anyone!" look what you would have done to scotland on their way out of the union!!! "So what you're saying then is that the EU are effectively holding us to ransom and threatening us with economic oblivion if we vote out? Didn't Hitler threaten us with oblivion if we didn't capitulate? | |||
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"Exit Then the EU won't let us go... cue another renegotiation with major changes to our powers. In the meantime borders need controlled to stop a very real terrorist threat... has anyone ever tried to get into Australia? That's a system we need.. If you knew Australia's history you'd recognise the irony of your statement." Basically you need to steal some bread or a gentleman's hanky, to smooth your passage to oz | |||
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"i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be given my eviction papers by tedanddarcy........
Sounds like you have fallen victim to David Cameron's Project Fear tactics when you make statements like that.
I wasn't the one to make the statement..... it was your "friends" tedanddarcy
what i want people to think of is that when they make ridiculous general statements like that, there are actual people behind those statements....."This ^^.. And politics is something that is best kept around a dining table..not on fabs. Darcy | |||
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"i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be given my eviction papers by tedanddarcy........
Sounds like you have fallen victim to David Cameron's Project Fear tactics when you make statements like that.
I wasn't the one to make the statement..... it was your "friends" tedanddarcy
what i want people to think of is that when they make ridiculous general statements like that, there are actual people behind those statements....."Fabio Its well known on here where my political views lie. But I just wanted to let you know, the remark by Tedanddarcy was uncalled for. I have no problem with immigration as long as its in a controlled manner. I vote STAY. But that's YOU, not the referendum!!!! As ever. Sits watches and smiles | |||
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"i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be given my eviction papers by tedanddarcy........ "Why? are you here illegally? why would you be evicted unless you are hiding something what are you hiding? | |||
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"I think Europe needs a big shake-up and Britain pulling out might just do the trick...... We won't be sidelined from Europe it will probably put us in. Better position. So come out of ye're comfort zones and vote BREXIT .....X" indeed, and then? who will be next to exit EU Don't think for one minute that we will be the only ones looking to make a better, brighter future outside EU | |||
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"i am still waiting to hear if i am going to be given my eviction papers by tedanddarcy........
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"Do you not see the news with the lorries with loads of Eastern European people inside the people that are fleeing for there life's but walk though several safe country's to get her to get the free hand outs while our pensioners try to survive in a few pence a week. They have worked all there life and paid into the system,for what just to see immigrants get nearly double the amount and not pay a penny in also the send child benefit back to there family no matter what country there in. Our countryside is slowly being lost with building of hundreds if thousands of houses in order to house these people. Hospitals that are at breaking point. doctors making you wait up to a fortnight to see a doctor because they are so over crowded. 30 years ago it wasn't like that.now we all have to be politically correct of face the backlash by the do gooders.so yes I will defo be voting no basically I want this country back to being great again not an Eastern European fun fair.. Ted" Yes, so do I. but to tarnish every migrant that comes to our country in the way you did, was wrong | |||
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"Do you not see the news with the lorries with loads of Eastern European people inside the people that are fleeing for there life's but walk though several safe country's to get her to get the free hand outs while our pensioners try to survive in a few pence a week. They have worked all there life and paid into the system,for what just to see immigrants get nearly double the amount and not pay a penny in also the send child benefit back to there family no matter what country there in. Our countryside is slowly being lost with building of hundreds if thousands of houses in order to house these people. Hospitals that are at breaking point. doctors making you wait up to a fortnight to see a doctor because they are so over crowded. 30 years ago it wasn't like that.now we all have to be politically correct of face the backlash by the do gooders.so yes I will defo be voting no basically I want this country back to being great again not an Eastern European fun fair.. Ted Yes, so do I. but to tarnish every migrant that comes to our country in the way you did, was wrong" Lol it's a discussion..debate..opinions..that doesn't make a person wrong! | |||
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"Do you not see the news with the lorries with loads of Eastern European people inside the people that are fleeing for there life's but walk though several safe country's to get her to get the free hand outs while our pensioners try to survive in a few pence a week. They have worked all there life and paid into the system,for what just to see immigrants get nearly double the amount and not pay a penny in also the send child benefit back to there family no matter what country there in. Our countryside is slowly being lost with building of hundreds if thousands of houses in order to house these people. Hospitals that are at breaking point. doctors making you wait up to a fortnight to see a doctor because they are so over crowded. 30 years ago it wasn't like that.now we all have to be politically correct of face the backlash by the do gooders.so yes I will defo be voting no basically I want this country back to being great again not an Eastern European fun fair.. Ted Yes, so do I. but to tarnish every migrant that comes to our country in the way you did, was wrong" I don't have a problem with skilled migrants with the skills needed by this country. Maybe this country should be investing more in the young people of this country to get the skills we need | |||
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"Do you not see the news with the lorries with loads of Eastern European people inside the people that are fleeing for there life's but walk though several safe country's to get her to get the free hand outs while our pensioners try to survive in a few pence a week. They have worked all there life and paid into the system,for what just to see immigrants get nearly double the amount and not pay a penny in also the send child benefit back to there family no matter what country there in. Our countryside is slowly being lost with building of hundreds if thousands of houses in order to house these people. Hospitals that are at breaking point. doctors making you wait up to a fortnight to see a doctor because they are so over crowded. 30 years ago it wasn't like that.now we all have to be politically correct of face the backlash by the do gooders.so yes I will defo be voting no basically I want this country back to being great again not an Eastern European fun fair.. Ted Yes, so do I. but to tarnish every migrant that comes to our country in the way you did, was wrong Lol it's a discussion..debate..opinions..that doesn't make a person wrong!" In your original post you came across as sounding if you were referring to every immigrant. Even the most staunch Brexiter with a modicum of common sense knows that's madness | |||
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"I don't have a problem with skilled migrants with the skills needed by this country. Maybe this country should be investing more in the young people of this country to get the skills we need " Indeed, they are called apprenticeships, a further 5000 apprenticeships open to youngsters in Scotland this year, that's 30,000 An apprenticeship at the age of 16 can start you of in a good career with wealth & knowledge | |||
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"I don't have a problem with skilled migrants with the skills needed by this country. Maybe this country should be investing more in the young people of this country to get the skills we need Indeed, they are called apprenticeships, a further 5000 apprenticeships open to youngsters in Scotland this year, that's 30,000 An apprenticeship at the age of 16 can start you of in a good career with wealth & knowledge" | |||
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"Tell me how you come to that conclusion Joe ? Look at the numbers The weight of the In campaign (which is all-pervasive) and the pre-existing numbers it will be, as Fabio said, like the Scots referendum. The Out campaign will never be happy with anything. Tough titty The weight ? Lol The Scottish referendum has nothing to do with the eu. I suggest you go read some facts on the benifits of leaving the eu. Before you try to argue with a statement like Tough titty
I can see you have used your educated brain for that comment lol "The EU referendum kinda does have everything to do with the Scottish referendum as Better Together were telling people in Scotland if you vote yes to leave the UK then you would come out of the EU and to vote No you would remain in the EU before the Scottish referendum there was no talk of a EU referendum so now if the rest of the UK vote to leave the EU and Scotland votes to stay Scotland could be dragged out of the EU when 18 months ago Better Better Together said vote no and Scotland will remain in the EU. So yeah it really does have alot to do with it. | |||
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" So what you're saying then is that the EU are effectively holding us to ransom and threatening us with economic oblivion if we vote out? Didn't Hitler threaten us with oblivion if we didn't capitulate? " irony being that aren't you in effect holding the EU to ransom with the renegoiation? you are the one threatening to kick the EU in the balls first.... if you do kick them first, i don't think they should be vendictive... but i don't think you should expect some sort of sweetheart deal on the way out either! then it becomes protecting your own people | |||
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"Do you not see the news with the lorries with loads of Eastern European people inside the people that are fleeing for there life's but walk though several safe country's to get her" Obviously I watch different news to you, I am unaware of any mass exodus of East Europeans to the UK. I am aware of Syrian, Iraqi, and Afghanistan refugees how are fleeing for their lives, and are not getting to the UK legally this way. In fact we are only able to stop them by being in the EU. We do take refugees legally from camps in the middle east which we will continue to do in or out of the EU. To control legal migration from actual EU countries, all we need to do is rewrite the UK benefits system to be contribution based, if you include parental contributions then few if any UK citizens will be unable to claim. non UK citizens will get nothing until they have paid tax for the specified number of years. That is how it works in many other EU countries, and also how it works for about half the immigrants who come here. But our government seems incapable of writing the legislation. Question is if our government are incapable of writing a no change for those here already legislation. how can we trust them to write import export agreements to replace what we get from the EU? Or to negotiate right hand drive cars at no extra cost? or protect workers / human rights? | |||
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"Do you not see the news with the lorries with loads of Eastern European people inside the people that are fleeing for there life's but walk though several safe country's to get her to get the free hand outs while our pensioners try to survive in a few pence a week. They have worked all there life and paid into the system,for what just to see immigrants get nearly double the amount and not pay a penny in also the send child benefit back to there family no matter what country there in. Our countryside is slowly being lost with building of hundreds if thousands of houses in order to house these people. Hospitals that are at breaking point. doctors making you wait up to a fortnight to see a doctor because they are so over crowded. 30 years ago it wasn't like that.now we all have to be politically correct of face the backlash by the do gooders.so yes I will defo be voting no basically I want this country back to being great again not an Eastern European fun fair.. Ted" nice speech ted..... couple of problems that are outright lies... or dont show the full pictures... but we can come to those.... pensioners living on pennies a week.... not quite true... no single pensioner lives on less than 151.25 per week in state/private pensions and pension credit... no married pension couple lives on less than 220 per week.... there is an arguement they are "over-protected" in the "we are all in this together age of austerity" due to the triple lock and winter fuels payments, but thats a different agruement for a different thread.... EU citizens are actually of net benefit to the uk.... they actually pay more more in taxes and national insurance than they get in benefits.... child benefits for children living overseas was silly and i am glad they are now sorting this.... they are not the ones in the back of the lorries!!!! they don't need to!
and since you mentioned doctors.... there are a lot of reasons why we are short.... they are not training enough, a lot don't want to go into GP line of work..... and a lot of them are being poached by those meanies in australia, new zealand, the rich middle east, the US and Canada.... ect ect ect....
our countryside was slowly being lost anyway.... you could ask for example some of your richer countrymen not to buy 2nd houses in the country (the rural housing crisis has very little to do with immigrants... it has more to do with 2nd house depleting stock and pushing rural houses to the point locals cant afford them.... and they have been talking about building "new towns" for the best part of 50 years anyway....
you can muddy waters as much as you like..... eastern european fun fair if fairly derogatory in anyone's language, especially when a lot of them are very skilled and work bloody hard..... if you every moved from one country to another you would know its damn hard, and not a decision that is taken lighlty... and the dirty discussion is they do a lot of the jobs the native population sniff their noses up at..... | |||
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"I don't have a problem with skilled migrants with the skills needed by this country. Maybe this country should be investing more in the young people of this country to get the skills we need Indeed, they are called apprenticeships, a further 5000 apprenticeships open to youngsters in Scotland this year, that's 30,000 An apprenticeship at the age of 16 can start you of in a good career with wealth & knowledge" just as well the snp did that.... since they did slash the 16-18 further education budget..... | |||
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"Maybe Everyone Should Have A Re-read of The Rules before posting Seems many like to "Name & Shame", keep the posts civil and no in-house fighting" name and shame in what respect.... people are being called out what what they post in this thread and this thread alone, i don't think you get to hide behind name and shame if you can't stand behind your comments....
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"We can't leave the EU, what will happen to Cornwall? They get quite a bit of funding over there on the dark side and if that runs out they will be over here stealing my livestock again. Vote stay or we have to build transit camps for the Cornish "the Cornish are not the only people to benefit from EU funding.... The Welsh are also net EU funding winners..... The Northern Irish are also net EU funding winners.... North East England are also net EU funding winners as well.... | |||
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"We can't leave the EU, what will happen to Cornwall? They get quite a bit of funding over there on the dark side and if that runs out they will be over here stealing my livestock again. Vote stay or we have to build transit camps for the Cornish "It's OK Devonians also get to vote on leaving Cornwall, and there is this bloke in the USA Mr Trump, he has plans for a wall you could get the Cornish to build | |||
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"I don't have a problem with skilled migrants with the skills needed by this country. Maybe this country should be investing more in the young people of this country to get the skills we need Indeed, they are called apprenticeships, a further 5000 apprenticeships open to youngsters in Scotland this year, that's 30,000 An apprenticeship at the age of 16 can start you of in a good career with wealth & knowledge just as well the snp did that.... since they did slash the 16-18 further education budget..... "How are the SNP Scottish Government supporting Higher Education? The SNP Scottish Government has placed the principle of higher education based on the ability to learn not the ability to pay at the heart of what we believe and we will continue to fund our commitment to free tuition. The SNP have invested over four billion pounds in the higher education sector over the last four years to keep our universities world class. We will invest a further one billion pounds in 2016-17 to support the continued success of our universities delivering high quality learning and research excellence - a key investment for the future of Scotland. Apprenticeships The SNP believe the biggest investment we can make in Scotland’s future is in our young people. Our ambition is to reduce youth unemployment by 40% by 2021, and we are already taking actions to work towards this ambition. We are delivering 25,000 Modern Apprenticeships a year and we have committed to increase MA starts target to 30,000 annually by 2020. We are investing in career advice for young people through Skills Development Scotland and are aiming to reduce gender imbalance in subject groups of college courses where there is underrepresentation of young women or men. We are expanding entitlement to Educational Maintenance Allowance to support 57,000 school pupils and college students, making it easier for them to continue their education. We have also restored free higher education – and there will be no tuition fees in Scotland for as long as the SNP are in office Seems Scotland is the better place to be if you have youngsters in education or starting a career | |||
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"We can't leave the EU, what will happen to Cornwall? They get quite a bit of funding over there on the dark side and if that runs out they will be over here stealing my livestock again. Vote stay or we have to build transit camps for the Cornish
the Cornish are not the only people to benefit from EU funding....
The Welsh are also net EU funding winners.....
The Northern Irish are also net EU funding winners....
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"Maybe Everyone Should Have A Re-read of The Rules before posting Seems many like to "Name & Shame", keep the posts civil and no in-house fighting name and shame in what respect.... people are being called out what what they post in this thread and this thread alone, i don't think you get to hide behind name and shame if you can't stand behind your comments....
YOU are specifically attacking a member here by quoting their name, if you want to copy their comments fine, but you should play by the rules, which YOU are not doing"really...... wow..... actually i called them out on a comment by name... just like i am about to call you out for not answer the camparison to the scottish independence referendum and your refusal to say what you would have cut since the numbers were all wrong..... | |||
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"Do you not see the news with the lorries with loads of Eastern European people inside the people that are fleeing for there life's but walk though several safe country's to get her to get the free hand outs while our pensioners try to survive in a few pence a week. They have worked all there life and paid into the system,for what just to see immigrants get nearly double the amount and not pay a penny in also the send child benefit back to there family no matter what country there in. Our countryside is slowly being lost with building of hundreds if thousands of houses in order to house these people. Hospitals that are at breaking point. doctors making you wait up to a fortnight to see a doctor because they are so over crowded. 30 years ago it wasn't like that.now we all have to be politically correct of face the backlash by the do gooders.so yes I will defo be voting no basically I want this country back to being great again not an Eastern European fun fair.. Ted nice speech ted..... couple of problems that are outright lies... or dont show the full pictures... but we can come to those.... pensioners living on pennies a week.... not quite true... no single pensioner lives on less than 151.25 per week in state/private pensions and pension credit... no married pension couple lives on less than 220 per week.... there is an arguement they are "over-protected" in the "we are all in this together age of austerity" due to the triple lock and winter fuels payments, but thats a different agruement for a different thread.... EU citizens are actually of net benefit to the uk.... they actually pay more more in taxes and national insurance than they get in benefits.... child benefits for children living overseas was silly and i am glad they are now sorting this.... they are not the ones in the back of the lorries!!!! they don't need to!
and since you mentioned doctors.... there are a lot of reasons why we are short.... they are not training enough, a lot don't want to go into GP line of work..... and a lot of them are being poached by those meanies in australia, new zealand, the rich middle east, the US and Canada.... ect ect ect....
our countryside was slowly being lost anyway.... you could ask for example some of your richer countrymen not to buy 2nd houses in the country (the rural housing crisis has very little to do with immigrants... it has more to do with 2nd house depleting stock and pushing rural houses to the point locals cant afford them.... and they have been talking about building "new towns" for the best part of 50 years anyway....
you can muddy waters as much as you like..... eastern european fun fair if fairly derogatory in anyone's language, especially when a lot of them are very skilled and work bloody hard..... if you every moved from one country to another you would know its damn hard, and not a decision that is taken lighlty... and the dirty discussion is they do a lot of the jobs the native population sniff their noses up at....."maybe you should go on a road trip to say Dover which is inundated with imagrants and Boston Lincolnshire which used to be lovely town now totally over run with immigrants ask those people that there lives have been changed by being forced to accept the immigrants before you defend these people. I'm not saying all of them are bad at all I'm saying we should be far more picky with who we accept into this country | |||
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"Well without getting into silly arguments about nationalities. Last time I looked about 650,000 people came in and about 300,000 left meaning we got an extra 350,000 people which is roughly a Cardiff like city!. Now this varies a bit year to year but the trend has been up significantly for about what 14 years. Since 2002-2003 were looking at an extra what 6 million people from immigration?.. Have we built the extra services for these 6 million people?. We have two options in my mind. 1 we start spending the tens of billions needed for the extra services required. 2 we start limiting people coming in." The UK is broke, no cash, we cant even save a steel industry which we don't own, as we sold all assets of every thing we once had guess we could use our gold reserves that we put away for a rainy day!!! oh wait what gold reserves | |||
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"you can muddy waters as much as you like..... eastern european fun fair if fairly derogatory in anyone's language, especially when a lot of them are very skilled and work bloody hard..... if you every moved from one country to another you would know its damn hard, and not a decision that is taken lighlty... and the dirty discussion is they do a lot of the jobs the native population sniff their noses up at....." How many have you welcomed into your home? | |||
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"Well without getting into silly arguments about nationalities. Last time I looked about 650,000 people came in and about 300,000 left meaning we got an extra 350,000 people which is roughly a Cardiff like city!. Now this varies a bit year to year but the trend has been up significantly for about what 14 years. Since 2002-2003 were looking at an extra what 6 million people from immigration?.. Have we built the extra services for these 6 million people?. We have two options in my mind. 1 we start spending the tens of billions needed for the extra services required. 2 we start limiting people coming in. The UK is broke, no cash, we cant even save a steel industry which we don't own, as we sold all assets of every thing we once had guess we could use our gold reserves that we put away for a rainy day!!! oh wait what gold reserves ". Were not broke, we've just got cash flow problems | |||
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" How many have you welcomed into your home?" you mean how many do i work aside in my civil service department... i work along side 1 dutch person, a german, a couple of spanish and french... as well as local brits, and they are all very good at what they do!
I moved from the US to the UK at 15... but i was lucky when because where the decision was made for my sister because she was only 10.... they allowed me to make that decision of staying or coming... as it is a bloody hard decision, and the first few months were bloddy hard and bloody tough... and at time i wanted to go back.... so please don't make it seem like all the roads in the UK are paved with gold!
you live in a place where you don't know anyone... and then try to fit in
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" How many have you welcomed into your home? you mean how many do i work aside in my civil service department... i work along side 1 dutch person, a german, a couple of spanish and french... as well as local brits, and they are all very good at what they do!
I moved from the US to the UK at 15... but i was lucky when because where the decision was made for my sister because she was only 10.... they allowed me to make that decision of staying or coming... as it is a bloody hard decision, and the first few months were bloddy hard and bloody tough... and at time i wanted to go back.... so please don't make it seem like all the roads in the UK are paved with gold!
you live in a place where you don't know anyone... and then try to fit in
you seem to make everything very flippant, but behind every flippant remark there are real people live real lives and trying to make their lives better for them, and better for families...."NO; I mean how many have you welcomed into your home; given a room, provided a place to stay? Even without oil, Scotland’s GDP per head is less than 1% lower than the rest of the UK’s. Scotland is simply fortunate that it is one of only a favoured few countries that possess oil wealth, which has, at various points over the last 40-odd years, been, by turn, gargantuan, merely massive or disappointingly plentiful, as it is now. What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games . if the referendum had not taken place then much more would have been made of the concomitant economic benefits derived from the oil crisis. The price of a litre of petrol which, in the middle of last year was about £1.45, has been cut to around £1.05, a reduction of around 27%. This has stimulated other parts of the economy in terms of increased consumer optimism and a hike in profits, leading to healthier recruitment levels and higher wages. In the rush to land punches on the SNP for its pre-referendum oil receipt estimates, much of this has been ignored. . Less than a year ago, the FT reported that the Fraser of Allander Institute, the country’s premier economic think-tank, was expressing faith in the robust character of Scotland’s economy. “The oil industry is very, very important and in many ways the jewel in the Scottish economy,” said Brian Ashcroft, the institute’s chief economist, “but the Scottish economy is much bigger than the oil industry and there are lots of areas that will benefit from lower oil prices.” Scotland and the less affluent northern outreaches of England will always be secondary players in the top-down nature of the south’s interpretation and exploitation of the UK economy. Not only is the wealth and income gap distorted in favour of the affluent south-east, so too is the economic narrative. In this, a country where 1% of citizens take 90% of its £100m profit is deemed to be richer than one which makes only £10m, but distributes it equally. But it is far, far poorer. . Scotland’s citizens are far from economically illiterate and those who are poorest know more than anyone else what a proper economic challenge looks like. What scares the bejesus out of the monetarists is that for 16 months now these people appear to be putting their faith in something higher than personal financial gain . We can only wonder what Scotland would have looked like if successive Labour and Tory governments hadn’t concealed the 1974 McCrone report, which stated that North Sea oil receipts would have made an independent Scotland the second richest country in Europe. Instead, Margaret Thatcher used it to pay off a viable coal industry and now her acolytes ridicule us for being naive about what remains. | |||
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" What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games " Or, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of gold than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games | |||
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" What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games Or, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of gold than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games" no, gold will always hold its own, same as oil will rise again | |||
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" How many have you welcomed into your home? you mean how many do i work aside in my civil service department... i work along side 1 dutch person, a german, a couple of spanish and french... as well as local brits, and they are all very good at what they do!
I moved from the US to the UK at 15... but i was lucky when because where the decision was made for my sister because she was only 10.... they allowed me to make that decision of staying or coming... as it is a bloody hard decision, and the first few months were bloddy hard and bloody tough... and at time i wanted to go back.... so please don't make it seem like all the roads in the UK are paved with gold!
you live in a place where you don't know anyone... and then try to fit in
you seem to make everything very flippant, but behind every flippant remark there are real people live real lives and trying to make their lives better for them, and better for families...."Hey, just because you wasn't born in this country doesn't make you an immigrant!. If you work and pay your taxes then good on you and I can't see why anyone would have a problem with anyone moving to this country ..jeez we have enough of our own scroungers that want to sit on their arses bleeding the government dry..(and by that I mean the ones that don't want to work..not the ones that are unable to work) It's the ones that sneak in, claim benifits and then demand for the country to fit in with them that I personally have a problem with...of course anyone is going to move to a country (which ever one it maybe) if they think they will get a better life...but..we should not have to put up with losing part of our history, pensions etc just to benifit them...that's my opinion anyway. Darcy | |||
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"Hey, just because you wasn't born in this country doesn't make you an immigrant!. eh? "By immigrant I mean the ones that are scrounging..guess everyone who isn't British nationality are immigrants lol | |||
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" What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games Or, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of gold than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games no, gold will always hold its own, same as oil will rise again" The bank of England seems to think that between December 2010 and the end of January 2015 the value of UK gold reserves has gone from $14.067 billion to $11.093 billion, a fall of about 20% even though they bought a tiny amount more gold in that time. If they'd been in possession of a crystal ball they could have sold at the peak at the end of 2012, but they've lost 32% since then or $5 billion. That's not particularly holding its own. | |||
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" What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games Or, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of gold than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games no, gold will always hold its own, same as oil will rise again The bank of England seems to think that between December 2010 and the end of January 2015 the value of UK gold reserves has gone from $14.067 billion to $11.093 billion, a fall of about 20% even though they bought a tiny amount more gold in that time. If they'd been in possession of a crystal ball they could have sold at the peak at the end of 2012, but they've lost 32% since then or $5 billion. That's not particularly holding its own." It holds its own if you have a level head and sell when the time is right a fool with money will always lose out, kind of similar to our government | |||
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" What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games Or, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of gold than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games no, gold will always hold its own, same as oil will rise again The bank of England seems to think that between December 2010 and the end of January 2015 the value of UK gold reserves has gone from $14.067 billion to $11.093 billion, a fall of about 20% even though they bought a tiny amount more gold in that time. If they'd been in possession of a crystal ball they could have sold at the peak at the end of 2012, but they've lost 32% since then or $5 billion. That's not particularly holding its own. It holds its own if you have a level head and sell when the time is right a fool with money will always lose out, kind of similar to our government " . Actually brown sold the gold at the behest of the cheif commodities broker at Goldman Sachs who was crying over some banks that had shorted themselves over the yen and gold and were facing ruin, therefore brown sold gold and bought yen rising that price while lowering gold!, it was actually referred to as the first banking crises. It's one of the reasons why I pay very little respect to what people in government say and what businessmen in the FTSE 100 say!. They tend to look after themselves rather than the general welfare of a country | |||
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" Actually brown sold the gold at the behest of the cheif commodities broker at Goldman Sachs who was crying over some banks that had shorted themselves over the yen and gold and were facing ruin, therefore brown sold gold and bought yen rising that price while lowering gold!, it was actually referred to as the first banking crises. It's one of the reasons why I pay very little respect to what people in government say and what businessmen in the FTSE 100 say!. They tend to look after themselves rather than the general welfare of a country" Indeed, but then: don't we all look after ourselves first shame the government doesn't put UK first and look after the people of the UK | |||
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"Hey, just because you wasn't born in this country doesn't make you an immigrant!. eh?
By immigrant I mean the ones that are scrounging..guess everyone who isn't British nationality are immigrants lol "Well we have our fair share British born scroungers as well, do me a favour. Get rid of them at the same time please | |||
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" What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games Or, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of gold than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games no, gold will always hold its own, same as oil will rise again The bank of England seems to think that between December 2010 and the end of January 2015 the value of UK gold reserves has gone from $14.067 billion to $11.093 billion, a fall of about 20% even though they bought a tiny amount more gold in that time. If they'd been in possession of a crystal ball they could have sold at the peak at the end of 2012, but they've lost 32% since then or $5 billion. That's not particularly holding its own. It holds its own if you have a level head and sell when the time is right a fool with money will always lose out, kind of similar to our government . Actually brown sold the gold at the behest of the cheif commodities broker at Goldman Sachs who was crying over some banks that had shorted themselves over the yen and gold and were facing ruin, therefore brown sold gold and bought yen rising that price while lowering gold!, it was actually referred to as the first banking crises. It's one of the reasons why I pay very little respect to what people in government say and what businessmen in the FTSE 100 say!. They tend to look after themselves rather than the general welfare of a country" That was the first banking crisis? Did they miss the Baring's crisis of 1891? Or the banking crisis in 1973? As for gold being a good investment, anyone buying it at over $500 between 1980 and 1981 would have been sitting on a loss for 25 years. If you bought it between 2011 and 2013 you'd be sitting on a loss now. You don't need a level head, just very very deep pockets filled preferably with someone else's money if you're going to speculate. | |||
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" As for gold being a good investment, anyone buying it at over $500 between 1980 and 1981 would have been sitting on a loss for 25 years. If you bought it between 2011 and 2013 you'd be sitting on a loss now. You don't need a level head, just very very deep pockets filled preferably with someone else's money if you're going to speculate." I am happy using my own cash for investments As for investment/profit you cant go wrong with buying a Rolex or two or three mine have at least doubled in price if not tripled | |||
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" As for gold being a good investment, anyone buying it at over $500 between 1980 and 1981 would have been sitting on a loss for 25 years. If you bought it between 2011 and 2013 you'd be sitting on a loss now. You don't need a level head, just very very deep pockets filled preferably with someone else's money if you're going to speculate. I am happy using my own cash for investments As for investment/profit you cant go wrong with buying a Rolex or two or three mine have at least doubled in price if not tripled" That would make for an intriguing economic decision - convert the gold reserves into rolex watches. | |||
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" What is more, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of a barrel of oil than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games Or, in its volatile history you can no more accurately predict the price of gold than divine how many clean gold medals will be won at an Olympic Games no, gold will always hold its own, same as oil will rise again The bank of England seems to think that between December 2010 and the end of January 2015 the value of UK gold reserves has gone from $14.067 billion to $11.093 billion, a fall of about 20% even though they bought a tiny amount more gold in that time. If they'd been in possession of a crystal ball they could have sold at the peak at the end of 2012, but they've lost 32% since then or $5 billion. That's not particularly holding its own. It holds its own if you have a level head and sell when the time is right a fool with money will always lose out, kind of similar to our government . Actually brown sold the gold at the behest of the cheif commodities broker at Goldman Sachs who was crying over some banks that had shorted themselves over the yen and gold and were facing ruin, therefore brown sold gold and bought yen rising that price while lowering gold!, it was actually referred to as the first banking crises. It's one of the reasons why I pay very little respect to what people in government say and what businessmen in the FTSE 100 say!. They tend to look after themselves rather than the general welfare of a country That was the first banking crisis? Did they miss the Baring's crisis of 1891? Or the banking crisis in 1973? As for gold being a good investment, anyone buying it at over $500 between 1980 and 1981 would have been sitting on a loss for 25 years. If you bought it between 2011 and 2013 you'd be sitting on a loss now. You don't need a level head, just very very deep pockets filled preferably with someone else's money if you're going to speculate." . The first section of the 07 one!. I'm not bothered about past banking crises as they fixed them in traditional ways!. You go bust or you get bought out by private industry, you know they call it capitalism, you put capital in you take some risk and some educated guesses and if it pays off woohoo, if it doesn't you throw yourself out the window, it's tried and tested banking!. None of this pc bullshit about how the world couldn't get by without them bollocks, we'll all crash into oblivion yadda yadda yadda... Oh and thanks for the bailout, if you don't vote EU I'm off to Switzerland... FUCK EM. What we should have done is round them all up and machine gunned them all as warning to future fuckwits... Oh well back to the old think of the humanity bullshit  | |||
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" As for gold being a good investment, anyone buying it at over $500 between 1980 and 1981 would have been sitting on a loss for 25 years. If you bought it between 2011 and 2013 you'd be sitting on a loss now. You don't need a level head, just very very deep pockets filled preferably with someone else's money if you're going to speculate. I am happy using my own cash for investments As for investment/profit you cant go wrong with buying a Rolex or two or three mine have at least doubled in price if not tripled" . Put that cash somewhere because pretty soon Carney will want it banned!... Can't have negative interest rates and folks putting cash under mattresses like the old days!. | |||
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" As for gold being a good investment, anyone buying it at over $500 between 1980 and 1981 would have been sitting on a loss for 25 years. If you bought it between 2011 and 2013 you'd be sitting on a loss now. You don't need a level head, just very very deep pockets filled preferably with someone else's money if you're going to speculate. I am happy using my own cash for investments As for investment/profit you cant go wrong with buying a Rolex or two or three mine have at least doubled in price if not tripled. Put that cash somewhere because pretty soon Carney will want it banned!... Can't have negative interest rates and folks putting cash under mattresses like the old days!. " You only have to look at what happened in Cyprus banks during the height of the Euro zone crisis to see the EU could be totally serious about taking money from individuals personal accounts to prop up their regime if things go bad. The ECB lowered interest rates just the other week, looks like they are running out of ammunition to stimulate the eurozone to me, how long before they decide to go into negative interest rates? | |||
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" What we should have done is round them all up and machine gunned them all as warning to future fuckwits... Oh well back to the old think of the humanity bullshit "Perhaps that's why the Government has prevented the majority of the UK from owning firearms | |||
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" What we should have done is round them all up and machine gunned them all as warning to future fuckwits... Oh well back to the old think of the humanity bullshit
Perhaps that's why the Government has prevented the majority of the UK from owning firearms
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" Oil was not required in the equation for independence but then you already know that but oil was the major factor on which your economic forecasts and revenues were based......
so.... fancy answer my question now.... where would the axe have swung bearing in mind all the ecomomic figures that it was calculated on were so badly wrong!!!!
and that is why i love the people who want to leave the EU never answer the question.... what would you say if you get it wrong/ where does the axe fall... because "oops my bad" doesn't really help future generations of people....
This is a very valid point and cannot simply be brushed over with the statement "They need us more than we need them, so we won't have any problems."
The U.K. Leaving the EU will cause great harm to the community and there would be zero motivation for those who have been harmed to turn the other cheek and change all EU policies and procedures to enable the UK to have beneficial terms after the UK had just gave the EU a severe kick to the bollocks.
I personally believe that the UK will vote to leave and a very sad day it will be. However if that happens I also see the Conservative government imploding and DC resigning after a failed campaign and a resulting election brought about by a vote of no confidence in the Government. I then see a pro European coalition government coming to power and a further referendum after a period of time has passed during which time the EU will have demonstrated a very hardball exit negotiation.
"I was thinking about that possibility last night actually - I for one currently have a foot in each camp as it were. The leave campaign fails to address the very real possibility of problems arising being outside the EU. Whilst the stay campaign fails to address on putting forward what EU does for each and every one of us within our counties, also it fails to address the fundamental reform the EU does need. | |||
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" Oil was not required in the equation for independence but then you already know that but oil was the major factor on which your economic forecasts and revenues were based......
so.... fancy answer my question now.... where would the axe have swung bearing in mind all the ecomomic figures that it was calculated on were so badly wrong!!!!
and that is why i love the people who want to leave the EU never answer the question.... what would you say if you get it wrong/ where does the axe fall... because "oops my bad" doesn't really help future generations of people....
This is a very valid point and cannot simply be brushed over with the statement "They need us more than we need them, so we won't have any problems."
The U.K. Leaving the EU will cause great harm to the community and there would be zero motivation for those who have been harmed to turn the other cheek and change all EU policies and procedures to enable the UK to have beneficial terms after the UK had just gave the EU a severe kick to the bollocks.
I personally believe that the UK will vote to leave and a very sad day it will be. However if that happens I also see the Conservative government imploding and DC resigning after a failed campaign and a resulting election brought about by a vote of no confidence in the Government. I then see a pro European coalition government coming to power and a further referendum after a period of time has passed during which time the EU will have demonstrated a very hardball exit negotiation.
I was thinking about that possibility last night actually - I for one currently have a foot in each camp as it were. The leave campaign fails to address the very real possibility of problems arising being outside the EU. Whilst the stay campaign fails to address on putting forward what EU does for each and every one of us within our counties, also it fails to address the fundamental reform the EU does need."Whilst both leave and stay campaigns are equally fragmented the leave campaign don't really need to have any joined up thinking to get their message out there. The constant barrage of anti foreigner, outrageous Nationalist and old school patriotic nonsense seems to get their message across without the need for a concerted effort. The stay campaign very much has an uphill battle because they do need to put together a coherent plan to which natural adversaries all need to play their part, but this is not happening. The great irony of the debate is that the places within England that do best out of the EU are mainly the depressed former mining, steel and heavy industrial centres because successive UK governments have focused their spending in the south and east. The mainly northern areas that benefit most are the ones that are also subsidised very much by the high earning SE of England and are also the areas that are most vocal about leaving the EU. If the UK votes out and we do actually leave then I really do see that also precipitating the end of the United Kingdom as well. I truly don't see Wales and Scotland wanting to stay in bed with a group of people who decided on their children's future based on their own dislike of foreigners. In case you think that might be an over simplification, look at almost any of the 'leave' Facebook campaigns and you will see that 9 out of 10 contributions are 'foreigner' related. One exchange I remember was a guy called Hussein arguing for closer European cooperation with people who are our natural neighbours and therefore natural trading and social allies. The abuse he got from 'Vite Leave' supporters was incredible. Such gems as... "With a name like yours, you will be the first one out the door when we get out of this prison." "My Dad fought the Germans and yet they still rule our lands." "We don't want people like you posting on Facebook, go and join ISIS" | |||
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" What we should have done is round them all up and machine gunned them all as warning to future fuckwits... Oh well back to the old think of the humanity bullshit
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Could be?.
Could be that they know id start with the bankers and end up with poor parking in Sainsbury's... This anachronistic steak is so confusing "The old crises were fixed in exactly the same way as the modern ones, with the BOE acting as lender of last resort. Baring's lasted another 100 years until Leeson did his bit. I'm not for the ordinary person bailing out the banks when their greed gets the better of them, but I'm equally not in favour of some vindictive free market, or is it trotskyist, approach that drags all the deposit holders down with it. And I doubt very much that anyone said "if you don't vote EU I'm off to Switzerland" given that question was on no-one's mind in 2007-2010. That would have been an anachronistic mistake by you. | |||
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"I don't have a problem with skilled migrants with the skills needed by this country. Maybe this country should be investing more in the young people of this country to get the skills we need Indeed, they are called apprenticeships, a further 5000 apprenticeships open to youngsters in Scotland this year, that's 30,000 An apprenticeship at the age of 16 can start you of in a good career with wealth & knowledge just as well the snp did that.... since they did slash the 16-18 further education budget.....
How are the SNP Scottish Government supporting Higher Education?
The SNP Scottish Government has placed the principle of higher education based on the ability to learn not the ability to pay at the heart of what we believe and we will continue to fund our commitment to free tuition.
The SNP have invested over four billion pounds in the higher education sector over the last four years to keep our universities world class. We will invest a further one billion pounds in 2016-17 to support the continued success of our universities delivering high quality learning and research excellence - a key investment for the future of Scotland.
Apprenticeships
The SNP believe the biggest investment we can make in Scotland’s future is in our young people. Our ambition is to reduce youth unemployment by 40% by 2021, and we are
already taking actions to work towards this ambition. We are delivering 25,000 Modern Apprenticeships a year and we have committed to increase MA starts target to 30,000 annually by 2020. We are investing in career advice for young people through Skills Development Scotland and are aiming to reduce gender
imbalance in subject groups of college courses where there is underrepresentation of young women or men. We are expanding entitlement to Educational Maintenance Allowance to support 57,000 school pupils and college students, making it easier for them to continue their education. We have also restored free higher education – and there will be no tuition fees in Scotland for as long as the SNP are in office
Seems Scotland is the better place to be if you have youngsters in education or starting a career "The SNP can spend more money on degree courses because the slashed the budget to Further Education Colleges. I have family in teaching in these colleges so have been suffering because of it. | |||
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" So what you're saying then is that the EU are effectively holding us to ransom and threatening us with economic oblivion if we vote out? Didn't Hitler threaten us with oblivion if we didn't capitulate? irony being that aren't you in effect holding the EU to ransom with the renegoiation? you are the one threatening to kick the EU in the balls first.... if you do kick them first, i don't think they should be vendictive... but i don't think you should expect some sort of sweetheart deal on the way out either! then it becomes protecting your own people" You can hardly say the 'renegotiation' was holding them to ransom... in Merkel's own words they 'didn't give them (ie the UK) much'. The other thing to take into consideration is not only the trade between us and the rest of the EU nations (and that the powerhouse nations sell more to us than they buy from us), but also that a large portion of our industries are actually owned by EU companies.. for example, our utilities companies. So they will put pressure on their governments to continue to trade with us. Like I've said previously, the EU was originally a trading bloc (coal and steel) with the premise that trade between nations removes the threat of war. It was not formed with the idea of eventually becoming a political and economic state... which it has turned into. And like I've previously asked, when was the last time that we went to war in Europe unprovoked? In which case, if it's main aim is to prevent war in Europe, why do we need to be in it? | |||
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"Blimey is still going on .ted" Yep. And nobody has given a good reason for staying in yet | |||
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"I don't have a problem with skilled migrants with the skills needed by this country. Maybe this country should be investing more in the young people of this country to get the skills we need Indeed, they are called apprenticeships, a further 5000 apprenticeships open to youngsters in Scotland this year, that's 30,000 An apprenticeship at the age of 16 can start you of in a good career with wealth & knowledge just as well the snp did that.... since they did slash the 16-18 further education budget.....
How are the SNP Scottish Government supporting Higher Education?
The SNP Scottish Government has placed the principle of higher education based on the ability to learn not the ability to pay at the heart of what we believe and we will continue to fund our commitment to free tuition.
The SNP have invested over four billion pounds in the higher education sector over the last four years to keep our universities world class. We will invest a further one billion pounds in 2016-17 to support the continued success of our universities delivering high quality learning and research excellence - a key investment for the future of Scotland.
Apprenticeships
The SNP believe the biggest investment we can make in Scotland’s future is in our young people. Our ambition is to reduce youth unemployment by 40% by 2021, and we are
already taking actions to work towards this ambition. We are delivering 25,000 Modern Apprenticeships a year and we have committed to increase MA starts target to 30,000 annually by 2020. We are investing in career advice for young people through Skills Development Scotland and are aiming to reduce gender
imbalance in subject groups of college courses where there is underrepresentation of young women or men. We are expanding entitlement to Educational Maintenance Allowance to support 57,000 school pupils and college students, making it easier for them to continue their education. We have also restored free higher education – and there will be no tuition fees in Scotland for as long as the SNP are in office
Seems Scotland is the better place to be if you have youngsters in education or starting a career The SNP can spend more money on degree courses because the slashed the budget to Further Education Colleges.
I have family in teaching in these colleges so have been suffering because of it."Leave at 16, get an apprenticeship and a future; its the way to go | |||
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"Some people love quoting Churchill. I think he once said. No matter how wonderful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results!" According to "Churchill by himself: the definitive collection of quotations" that's one of many things he never said. He also never said: "a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on" which is often attributed to him and seems relevant. | |||
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"Sometimes it's hard to be a remainer. Like when Jeremy Hunt claims that leaving will damage the NHS and Nick Morgan contends that education will suffer. The absurdity of these claims by people who have wrought so much damage is sickening. It saddens me to be on the same side of the argument as these hypocrites "Change sides then. You know it makes sense | |||
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"Sometimes it's hard to be a remainer. Like when Jeremy Hunt claims that leaving will damage the NHS and Nick Morgan contends that education will suffer. The absurdity of these claims by people who have wrought so much damage is sickening. It saddens me to be on the same side of the argument as these hypocrites
Change sides then. You know it makes sense "Michael Gove just about outweighs those two nitwits thanks | |||
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"There are many good reasons for the UK to leave... but a whole lot more to remain in the EU. I am not going into detail here because in my experience, many of those in favour of leaving are basing their decision on (to an extent understandable) fear. Fear of immigration, fear of losing jobs, fear of not being in control... My hope remains that people will be able to put aside the fear and rather than running away from the EU, will be constructive and look for ways of improving the EU - something that for sure needs improving. " Definitely the way I feel about it too | |||
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"Sometimes it's hard to be a remainer. Like when Jeremy Hunt claims that leaving will damage the NHS and Nick Morgan contends that education will suffer. The absurdity of these claims by people who have wrought so much damage is sickening. It saddens me to be on the same side of the argument as these hypocrites
Change sides then. You know it makes sense
Michael Gove just about outweighs those two nitwits thanks "Ye but at least he is speaking for himself | |||
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"There are many good reasons for the UK to leave... but a whole lot more to remain in the EU. I am not going into detail here because in my experience, many of those in favour of leaving are basing their decision on (to an extent understandable) fear. Fear of immigration, fear of losing jobs, fear of not being in control... My hope remains that people will be able to put aside the fear and rather than running away from the EU, will be constructive and look for ways of improving the EU - something that for sure needs improving. Definitely the way I feel about it too "So why haven't we already done it? | |||
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" Oil was not required in the equation for independence but then you already know that but oil was the major factor on which your economic forecasts and revenues were based......
so.... fancy answer my question now.... where would the axe have swung bearing in mind all the ecomomic figures that it was calculated on were so badly wrong!!!!
and that is why i love the people who want to leave the EU never answer the question.... what would you say if you get it wrong/ where does the axe fall... because "oops my bad" doesn't really help future generations of people....
This is a very valid point and cannot simply be brushed over with the statement "They need us more than we need them, so we won't have any problems."
The U.K. Leaving the EU will cause great harm to the community and there would be zero motivation for those who have been harmed to turn the other cheek and change all EU policies and procedures to enable the UK to have beneficial terms after the UK had just gave the EU a severe kick to the bollocks.
I personally believe that the UK will vote to leave and a very sad day it will be. However if that happens I also see the Conservative government imploding and DC resigning after a failed campaign and a resulting election brought about by a vote of no confidence in the Government. I then see a pro European coalition government coming to power and a further referendum after a period of time has passed during which time the EU will have demonstrated a very hardball exit negotiation.
I was thinking about that possibility last night actually - I for one currently have a foot in each camp as it were. The leave campaign fails to address the very real possibility of problems arising being outside the EU. Whilst the stay campaign fails to address on putting forward what EU does for each and every one of us within our counties, also it fails to address the fundamental reform the EU does need.
Whilst both leave and stay campaigns are equally fragmented the leave campaign don't really need to have any joined up thinking to get their message out there. The constant barrage of anti foreigner, outrageous Nationalist and old school patriotic nonsense seems to get their message across without the need for a concerted effort.
The stay campaign very much has an uphill battle because they do need to put together a coherent plan to which natural adversaries all need to play their part, but this is not happening.
The great irony of the debate is that the places within England that do best out of the EU are mainly the depressed former mining, steel and heavy industrial centres because successive UK governments have focused their spending in the south and east. The mainly northern areas that benefit most are the ones that are also subsidised very much by the high earning SE of England and are also the areas that are most vocal about leaving the EU.
If the UK votes out and we do actually leave then I really do see that also precipitating the end of the United Kingdom as well. I truly don't see Wales and Scotland wanting to stay in bed with a group of people who decided on their children's future based on their own dislike of foreigners. In case you think that might be an over simplification, look at almost any of the 'leave' Facebook campaigns and you will see that 9 out of 10 contributions are 'foreigner' related. One exchange I remember was a guy called Hussein arguing for closer European cooperation with people who are our natural neighbours and therefore natural trading and social allies. The abuse he got from 'Vite Leave' supporters was incredible. Such gems as...
"With a name like yours, you will be the first one out the door when we get out of this prison."
"My Dad fought the Germans and yet they still rule our lands."
"We don't want people like you posting on Facebook, go and join ISIS"
"Yes, sadly this is something I have tried to communicate with family and friends who are leaning towards the vote leave box. Sadly they seem to think that the money we could potentially make a net saving on by having less economic migration and no 'EU bill' to pay will lead to rejuvenation in poorer areas. I would have thought by now that for the most part, the majority of spending will be on the South East and London. This is what I mean though, I imagine if my friends got a list of 'What the EU has done for Leeds' through their mail box, they'd be half inclined to read it and understand a bit more. | |||
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" What we should have done is round them all up and machine gunned them all as warning to future fuckwits... Oh well back to the old think of the humanity bullshit
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Could be that they know id start with the bankers and end up with poor parking in Sainsbury's... This anachronistic steak is so confusing
The old crises were fixed in exactly the same way as the modern ones, with the BOE acting as lender of last resort. Baring's lasted another 100 years until Leeson did his bit. I'm not for the ordinary person bailing out the banks when their greed gets the better of them, but I'm equally not in favour of some vindictive free market, or is it trotskyist, approach that drags all the deposit holders down with it.
And I doubt very much that anyone said "if you don't vote EU I'm off to Switzerland" given that question was on no-one's mind in 2007-2010. That would have been an anachronistic mistake by you. ". Errr no not quite. . .This crisis finally exposed the vulnerability of Barings' position, which lacked sufficient reserves to support the Argentine bonds until they got their house in order. Through the organisational skills of the governor of the Bank of England, William Lidderdale, a consortium of banks was arranged, headed by former governor Henry Hucks Gibbs and his family firm of Antony Gibbs & Sons, to bail Barings out and support a bank restructuring. The resulting turmoil in financial markets became known as the Panic of 1890. 1891–1929 Edit Although the rescue avoided what could have been a worldwide financial collapse, Barings never regained its dominant position. A limited liability company - Baring Brothers & Co., Ltd. - was formed, to which the viable business of the old partnership was transferred. The assets of the old house and several partners were taken over and liquidated to repay the rescue consortium, with guarantees provided by the Bank of England. Lord Revelstoke and others lost their partnerships along with their personal fortunes, which were pledged to support the bank. It was almost ten years before the debts were paid off. Revelstoke did not live to see this accomplished, dying in 1892.... . . . So you see no UK tax payers money was used, the boe acted only as a guarantor to the other banks, no zero % interest rates, no printing of money, no bailouts and the board lost their personal fortune!.... there's a big difference and it's not about vindictiveness!. Like I said on the other post, in or out of the EU won't make any difference to this particular problem,because no union in the world can save us from the next one!. | |||
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It's definitely the lesser of two evils though compared to Farage, Boris Johnson, Duncan-Smith, Gove, Grayling, Hoey, Bone, Lawson, Rees-Mogg, Redwood......."Do you really think Hunt and Morgan think we will be better off in? | |||
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"Sometimes it's hard to be a remainer. Like when Jeremy Hunt claims that leaving will damage the NHS and Nick Morgan contends that education will suffer. The absurdity of these claims by people who have wrought so much damage is sickening. It saddens me to be on the same side of the argument as these hypocrites
It's definitely the lesser of two evils though compared to Farage, Boris Johnson, Duncan-Smith, Gove, Grayling, Hoey, Bone, Lawson, Rees-Mogg, Redwood.......
Do you really think Hunt and Morgan think we will be better off in? "You're right - they probably don't. Thanks, you've helped to relieve some anxiety | |||
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"Sometimes it's hard to be a remainer. Like when Jeremy Hunt claims that leaving will damage the NHS and Nick Morgan contends that education will suffer. The absurdity of these claims by people who have wrought so much damage is sickening. It saddens me to be on the same side of the argument as these hypocrites
It's definitely the lesser of two evils though compared to Farage, Boris Johnson, Duncan-Smith, Gove, Grayling, Hoey, Bone, Lawson, Rees-Mogg, Redwood.......
Do you really think Hunt and Morgan think we will be better off in? "Hunt saying leaving the EU will damage the Nhs is laughable considering he has overseen the junior doctors debacle. Nicky Morgan is no better talking about job prospects of our youngsters, when she is part of the government that has TWICE failed to keep its promise to cut immigration down to the tens of thousands and British youngsters face lots of competition for jobs because of excessive amounts of immigration into this country. Now TATA steel selling it's entire UK steel operation not good for jobs while we are still a member of the EU is it. | |||
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" What we should have done is round them all up and machine gunned them all as warning to future fuckwits... Oh well back to the old think of the humanity bullshit
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Could be?.
Could be that they know id start with the bankers and end up with poor parking in Sainsbury's... This anachronistic steak is so confusing
The old crises were fixed in exactly the same way as the modern ones, with the BOE acting as lender of last resort. Baring's lasted another 100 years until Leeson did his bit. I'm not for the ordinary person bailing out the banks when their greed gets the better of them, but I'm equally not in favour of some vindictive free market, or is it trotskyist, approach that drags all the deposit holders down with it.
And I doubt very much that anyone said "if you don't vote EU I'm off to Switzerland" given that question was on no-one's mind in 2007-2010. That would have been an anachronistic mistake by you. .
Errr no not quite.
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1891–1929 Edit
Although the rescue avoided what could have been a worldwide financial collapse, Barings never regained its dominant position. A limited liability company - Baring Brothers & Co., Ltd. - was formed, to which the viable business of the old partnership was transferred. The assets of the old house and several partners were taken over and liquidated to repay the rescue consortium, with guarantees provided by the Bank of England. Lord Revelstoke and others lost their partnerships along with their personal fortunes, which were pledged to support the bank. It was almost ten years before the debts were paid off. Revelstoke did not live to see this accomplished, dying in 1892....
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So you see no UK tax payers money was used, the boe acted only as a guarantor to the other banks, no zero % interest rates, no printing of money, no bailouts and the board lost their personal fortune!.... there's a big difference and it's not about vindictiveness!.
Like I said on the other post, in or out of the EU won't make any difference to this particular problem,because no union in the world can save us from the next one!."Whatever. My point was the BOE acting as bank of last resort, I'll leave you to worry about executions and the end of the world . Plenty of people have gone to their graves already having gasped "we're doomed" as their final words. One more or less anachronism will make no difference. | |||
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"Sometimes it's hard to be a remainer. Like when Jeremy Hunt claims that leaving will damage the NHS and Nick Morgan contends that education will suffer. The absurdity of these claims by people who have wrought so much damage is sickening. It saddens me to be on the same side of the argument as these hypocrites
It's definitely the lesser of two evils though compared to Farage, Boris Johnson, Duncan-Smith, Gove, Grayling, Hoey, Bone, Lawson, Rees-Mogg, Redwood.......
Do you really think Hunt and Morgan think we will be better off in?
Hunt saying leaving the EU will damage the Nhs is laughable considering he has overseen the junior doctors debacle. Nicky Morgan is no better talking about job prospects of our youngsters, when she is part of the government that has TWICE failed to keep its promise to cut immigration down to the tens of thousands and British youngsters face lots of competition for jobs because of excessive amounts of immigration into this country. Now TATA steel selling it's entire UK steel operation not good for jobs while we are still a member of the EU is it."Of course if it wasn't for the EU our hospitals would be bursting at the seams with smiling nurses and doctors as school children skip gaily along brand new roads to beautifully built academies where they are all instantly awarded degrees. Cancer is at last cured and everyone has a personal steel mill on each and every corner. Young UKIPers in the new nationalist party will march in orderly lines to queue at the newly liberated white cliffs of Dover to watch Europe burn, pressing freshly minted gold sovereigns into the slots on metered telescopes specially installed for their delectation. | |||
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"I'll leave you to worry about executions and the end of the world . Plenty of people have gone to their graves already having gasped "we're doomed" as their final words. One more or less anachronism will make no difference. . Your not thinking of my happiness are you "See above  | |||
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"I'll leave you to worry about executions and the end of the world . Plenty of people have gone to their graves already having gasped "we're doomed" as their final words. One more or less anachronism will make no difference. . Your not thinking of my happiness are you
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"I'll leave you to worry about executions and the end of the world . Plenty of people have gone to their graves already having gasped "we're doomed" as their final words. One more or less anachronism will make no difference. . Your not thinking of my happiness are you
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See above .
It looks as depressing as the news that 75% of the great barrier reef is in die off!....
Are they blaming the EU for that too?". No course not!, that's just plain old fashioned climate change. . . But Mario draghis still a fascist Italian corporatist cunt!... And I like my central bankers to be British like mark Carney with a dodgy American accent whistling tuppence and flying kites!. | |||
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"I'll leave you to worry about executions and the end of the world . Plenty of people have gone to their graves already having gasped "we're doomed" as their final words. One more or less anachronism will make no difference. . Your not thinking of my happiness are you
See above .
It looks as depressing as the news that 75% of the great barrier reef is in die off!....
Are they blaming the EU for that too?.
No course not!, that's just plain old fashioned climate change.
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But Mario draghis still a fascist Italian corporatist cunt!... And I like my central bankers to be British like mark Carney with a dodgy American accent whistling tuppence and flying kites!.
"Luckily in that same La-La land every Briton gets 3 wishes. You have one left after wishing for Italian cunt (every first wish of 3 is always a misfire) and a British banker. Use it wisely. | |||
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"There are many good reasons for the UK to leave... but a whole lot more to remain in the EU. I am not going into detail here because in my experience, many of those in favour of leaving are basing their decision on (to an extent understandable) fear. Fear of immigration, fear of losing jobs, fear of not being in control... My hope remains that people will be able to put aside the fear and rather than running away from the EU, will be constructive and look for ways of improving the EU - something that for sure needs improving. " We have tried and it has not worked. The best and only way to improve the EU is to leave it and hopefully pave the way for others to do so. Countries should be given back more rights to administer their own laws and finances to suit their individual circumstances/needs including if necessary scrapping the Euro. A one size blanket does not fit all. The EU has become nothing more than a vanity project and gravy train for the people who run it and it needs knocking down so that it can be rebuilt into something like it was intended for in the first place. I love Europe and its people so hope this happens for all our sakes | |||
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"We have tried and it has not worked. The best and only way to improve the EU is to leave it and hopefully pave the way for others to do so. Countries should be given back more rights to administer their own laws and finances to suit their individual circumstances/needs including if necessary scrapping the Euro. A one size blanket does not fit all. The EU has become nothing more than a vanity project and gravy train for the people who run it and it needs knocking down so that it can be rebuilt into something like it was intended for in the first place. I love Europe and its people so hope this happens for all our sakes" Exactly It is time to quickly exit, we can slowly start to rebuild the UK, people can still visit the wonderful cities in EU, people CAN still work in the EU countries - yes they can, same as we can work in usa, Australia and other countries outwith EU, it is very easy and the company you work for will ensure visa & work permit is in place (if you have the skills) and do not for one minute think that when we leave the EU others will not follow, they will. | |||
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"There are many good reasons for the UK to leave... but a whole lot more to remain in the EU. I am not going into detail here because in my experience, many of those in favour of leaving are basing their decision on (to an extent understandable) fear. Fear of immigration, fear of losing jobs, fear of not being in control... My hope remains that people will be able to put aside the fear and rather than running away from the EU, will be constructive and look for ways of improving the EU - something that for sure needs improving. " That is really wishful thinking. The UK has been blasted by other member states for trying to improve the EU. The truth is the political ambitions of certain countries within the EU will not allow the improvements that need to take place. | |||
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"Sometimes it's hard to be a remainer. Like when Jeremy Hunt claims that leaving will damage the NHS and Nick Morgan contends that education will suffer. The absurdity of these claims by people who have wrought so much damage is sickening. It saddens me to be on the same side of the argument as these hypocrites
Change sides then. You know it makes sense
Michael Gove just about outweighs those two nitwits thanks "and i do find it weird that theresa villiers, who is secretary of state for northern ireland, is a leave person, but every political party in northern ireland has come out and wants people to vote to stay in.... surely even though it is a free choice, that is a conflict of interests..... | |||
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"David Davis Conservative MP said a few weeks ago on the daily politics programme that events between now and June will determine the outcome of this referendum. He mentioned events like the migrant crisis and Eurozone crisis but now latest event in the news TATA steel announces it will sell it's entire UK steel operation. So much for the EU being good for UK jobs, and the EU has failed totally to protect the British steel industry from Chinese steel dumping. EU rules prohibit the UK from taking any action on our own to protect British steel, it's looking like David Davis prediction of events determining the outcome of the referendum could be right. " sounds good.... nice diatribe.... all wrong... the steel industry could be nationalised: a) as it is counted as an area of national security b) if the final aim is to resale it after a period of time.... the 2nd is what the scottish government did with the steel works at cambuslang and motherwell when tata steel were going to close them.... they then ran them as a going concern until they found a buyer for them who would guarentee to run them as the same levels... which they did....... to liberty house | |||
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"We have tried and it has not worked. The best and only way to improve the EU is to leave it and hopefully pave the way for others to do so. Countries should be given back more rights to administer their own laws and finances to suit their individual circumstances/needs including if necessary scrapping the Euro. A one size blanket does not fit all. The EU has become nothing more than a vanity project and gravy train for the people who run it and it needs knocking down so that it can be rebuilt into something like it was intended for in the first place. I love Europe and its people so hope this happens for all our sakes Exactly It is time to quickly exit, we can slowly start to rebuild the UK, people can still visit the wonderful cities in EU, people CAN still work in the EU countries - yes they can, same as we can work in usa, Australia and other countries outwith EU, it is very easy and the company you work for will ensure visa & work permit is in place (if you have the skills) and do not for one minute think that when we leave the EU others will not follow, they will." | |||
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