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"Well, Maggie was not for turning, but backed down on the poll tax, Diamond Dave has decided not to sell off the woodlands...... ............ " This is just the first of what will turn out to be a series of un-thought out policies which will be dumped by Dodgy Dave and his dodgy chums. | |||
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"at least he listened...and was big enough to admit it was wrong... "He's going to have to get used to it. Any money on Spelman deciding she needs to spend more time with her family? | |||
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"They bring out a stupid idea.(like selling a forest!!!!) one they know will piss everyone off. so the the people kick up shit saying you cant do this please listen to us (the people) so then they do there "U TURN" and then the good people of the land think that the govenment are listening to them? Yeah right! They are trying to build confidence in themselves with us. wonder how many more stupid non starter ideas them dicks in westminster come up with? "Yoo hoo!.. over here... I couldn't give a frig about the trees so here's one person who wasn't pissed off with it. In fact, why does the govt own so many fookin trees, their job is to govern. Sell them to private companies who will then make them profitable (without chopping them down obviously). We gain through the initial sale, and then we gain again through the corporation tax from the companies that have made them successful... and if the govt stick a clause in the sale agreements that allow the govt to take them back if a particular company doesn't perform well, or starts logging etc we can resell them to another more suitable company.. we win again. We save money on employees wages (who would probably transfer directly to the new private company). We save money on plant & machinery, vehicles, fuel, chemicals, fertilizer etc etc etc.. Seems a no brainer to me. Sell the fookin things. | |||
"If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all." You used that line the other day.. but not about trees, was something else.. Just how big do you think Eton is? | |||
"If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all. You used that line the other day.. but not about trees, was something else.. Just how big do you think Eton is?" The current pupil count is about 1,300. Since Tor backwoodsmen can still be doing damage to the country well into their 80s and they (mostly) leave College at 18 we can easily multiply the 1,300 x 65 years. That's how big I think Eton is. | |||
"In fact, why does the govt own so many fookin trees, their job is to govern. Sell them to private companies who will then make them profitable (without chopping them down obviously)." But that's precisely how they will make a profit from them. How else can they make money from natural beauty that is the nation's heritage? Dogging sites? It's a myth that privatisation makes anything run better; all it does is generate short-term gain for shareholders and leaves the state devoid of natural resources and industry. | |||
"If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all. You used that line the other day.. but not about trees, was something else.. Just how big do you think Eton is? The current pupil count is about 1,300. Since Tor backwoodsmen can still be doing damage to the country well into their 80s and they (mostly) leave College at 18 we can easily multiply the 1,300 x 65 years. That's how big I think Eton is." My god, you actually believe all this old etonian crap, don't you. How sad. If it was truly how you believe it to be we'd be having the self same protests and demonstrations recently seen in Egypt & Tunisia, and currently underway in most of the remaining Middle Eastern countries (who DO live under autocracies run by the rich, powerful and elite). Here's one for you: Who Am I? "After attending The Chorister School in Durham in north-east England from 1961 to 1966, **** boarded at Fettes College, a prestigious independent school in Edinburgh in Scotland, during which time he met Charlie Falconer (a pupil at the rival Edinburgh Academy), whom he later appointed Lord Chancellor. " | |||
"If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all. You used that line the other day.. but not about trees, was something else.. Just how big do you think Eton is? The current pupil count is about 1,300. Since Tor backwoodsmen can still be doing damage to the country well into their 80s and they (mostly) leave College at 18 we can easily multiply the 1,300 x 65 years. That's how big I think Eton is. My god, you actually believe all this old etonian crap, don't you. How sad. ......................" What bit of it ought not to be believed? Dodgy Dave didn't go Eton? He isn't a multi-millionaire? A lot of his pals didn't go to Eton? A lot of his pals aren't multi-millionaires? A lot of his old Etonian pals aren't cabinet ministers? A lot of his old Etonian cabinet minister pals aren't multimillionaires? I appreciate the facts are often unpalatable but they remains facts nonetheless. | |||
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"U turns are not easy for me..... unless Im on a very wide road! "that's for your wide load pup, and I don't mean your lorry | |||
" .......... If it was truly how you believe it to be we'd be having the self same protests and demonstrations recently seen in Egypt & Tunisia, and currently underway in most of the remaining Middle Eastern countries (who DO live under autocracies run by the rich, powerful and elite). ....................." D'ye mean like the Poll Tax Riots which led to the downfall of thon Auld Whore Thatcher? Watch this space. The recent student demos will seem like a quiet stroll in the park. | |||
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"If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all. You used that line the other day.. but not about trees, was something else.. Just how big do you think Eton is? The current pupil count is about 1,300. Since Tor backwoodsmen can still be doing damage to the country well into their 80s and they (mostly) leave College at 18 we can easily multiply the 1,300 x 65 years. That's how big I think Eton is. My god, you actually believe all this old etonian crap, don't you. How sad. ...................... What bit of it ought not to be believed? Dodgy Dave didn't go Eton? He isn't a multi-millionaire? A lot of his pals didn't go to Eton? A lot of his pals aren't multi-millionaires? A lot of his old Etonian pals aren't cabinet ministers? A lot of his old Etonian cabinet minister pals aren't multimillionaires? I appreciate the facts are often unpalatable but they remains facts nonetheless." Well, I've been through the Tory Cabinet Ministers and only one of them has been to Eton - some chap called David Cameron, all the rest went to normal state primary's or independent prep schools, nearly all of them went to either Oxford or Cambridge. You're talking bollox pal. | |||
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"They bring out a stupid idea.(like selling a forest!!!!) one they know will piss everyone off. so the the people kick up shit saying you cant do this please listen to us (the people) so then they do there "U TURN" and then the good people of the land think that the govenment are listening to them? Yeah right! They are trying to build confidence in themselves with us. wonder how many more stupid non starter ideas them dicks in westminster come up with? "I see you`re as cynical as me! | |||
"If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all. You used that line the other day.. but not about trees, was something else.. Just how big do you think Eton is? The current pupil count is about 1,300. Since Tor backwoodsmen can still be doing damage to the country well into their 80s and they (mostly) leave College at 18 we can easily multiply the 1,300 x 65 years. That's how big I think Eton is. My god, you actually believe all this old etonian crap, don't you. How sad. If it was truly how you believe it to be we'd be having the self same protests and demonstrations recently seen in Egypt & Tunisia, and currently underway in most of the remaining Middle Eastern countries (who DO live under autocracies run by the rich, powerful and elite). Here's one for you: Who Am I? "After attending The Chorister School in Durham in north-east England from 1961 to 1966, **** boarded at Fettes College, a prestigious independent school in Edinburgh in Scotland, during which time he met Charlie Falconer (a pupil at the rival Edinburgh Academy), whom he later appointed Lord Chancellor. "" here's one for you wishy. who am i i come across as a selfish,uncaring,hater of the sick,or any one in need. it disgusts me,that i have to pay taxes.to live in a society,that cares. i have a me,me,me,attitude second to none. but i believe,in daves big community. where ordinary people,will think of others.care for their neighbors, help the sick,and needy.do voluntary work,for the benefit of society,and the community. hmmm,who could be so contradictory. | |||
"...and here's the proof: David Cameron, Heatherdown Prep, Eton, Oxford George Osbourne, Norland Place Prep, St Pauls Hammersmith, Oxford William Hague, Ripon Grammar School, Wath-upon-Dearne Comp, Oxford Theresa May, Heythrop Primary, Wheatley Park Comp, Oxford Eric Pickles, Greenhead Grammar, Leeds Poly. Baroness Warsi, Birkdale High, Dewsbury College, Leeds Uni Jeremy Hunt, Charterhouse School, Oxford. Dr Liam Fox, St Bride's High, Glasgow Med Uni. Michael Gove, Abderdeen State school, Oxford. Caroline Spelman, Herts High School, Uni of London Andrew Lansley, Brentwood School, Uni of Exeter. Andrew Mitchell, Rugby School, Cambridge Lord Strathclyde, Sussex House School, Uni of East Anglia Ken Clarke, Nottingham High School, Cambridge Owen Paterson, Abberley Hall School, Radley College, Cambridge Phil Hammond, Shenfield School, Oxford Cherly Gillan, Elm Tree House Primary, Cheltenham Ladies College, College of Law Ian Duncan Smith, St Peter RC SChool, Military Acad Sandhurst." That ain't proof - that's just a list. I'm a bit suspicious of any list which includes "Abderdeen State school" as a school. We'll gloss over the fact the list doesn't include the Fib Dem cabinet ministers  | |||
"If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all. You used that line the other day.. but not about trees, was something else.. Just how big do you think Eton is? The current pupil count is about 1,300. Since Tor backwoodsmen can still be doing damage to the country well into their 80s and they (mostly) leave College at 18 we can easily multiply the 1,300 x 65 years. That's how big I think Eton is. My god, you actually believe all this old etonian crap, don't you. How sad. If it was truly how you believe it to be we'd be having the self same protests and demonstrations recently seen in Egypt & Tunisia, and currently underway in most of the remaining Middle Eastern countries (who DO live under autocracies run by the rich, powerful and elite). Here's one for you: Who Am I? "After attending The Chorister School in Durham in north-east England from 1961 to 1966, **** boarded at Fettes College, a prestigious independent school in Edinburgh in Scotland, during which time he met Charlie Falconer (a pupil at the rival Edinburgh Academy), whom he later appointed Lord Chancellor. " here's one for you wishy. who am i i come across as a selfish,uncaring,hater of the sick,or any one in need. it disgusts me,that i have to pay taxes.to live in a society,that cares. i have a me,me,me,attitude second to none. but i believe,in daves big community. where ordinary people,will think of others.care for their neighbors, help the sick,and needy.do voluntary work,for the benefit of society,and the community. hmmm,who could be so contradictory." Saucy....I must say another great post! | |||
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"That ain't proof - that's just a list. I'm a bit suspicious of any list which includes "Abderdeen State school" as a school. We'll gloss over the fact the list doesn't include the Fib Dem cabinet ministers "I left out the LibDems because you specifically said: "If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all" - but, in the interest of fair play, here's the LibDem cabinet ministers too: Nick Clegg, Westminster School, Cambridge Vince Cable, Nunthorpe Grammar School, Cambridge Chris Huhne, Westminster School, Oxford Michael Moore, US Schools & Colleges Danny Alexander, Lochaber High School, Oxford ~ Hmmm.. not an Old Etonian in sight.. Who the PM chooses to be his friends is very much his affair (unless you have some directorate on that too), and if some of those are Old Etonians, which is probably likely considering he actually went there and formed friendships, then that too his his business. I'd say you were brainwashed as a child by Great Uncle Haggis who probably fell down a mine one morning after a night of 12 pints of Hairy Broth and a couple of turnips. | |||
"Andrew Lansley...Secretary of State for Health In January 2010 the Telegraph revealed that Landsley was being bankrolled by John Nash, the chairman of Care UK, a private healthcare provider, and founder of the private equity fund Sovereign Capital, which owns several other private healthcare companies. Such companies stand to be the biggest beneficiaries of Conservative policies to increase the use of private health providers within the NHS.... Big Society?....Caring Conservatives?" sometimes,i think i love you jane. | |||
"Andrew Lansley...Secretary of State for Health In January 2010 the Telegraph revealed that Landsley was being bankrolled by John Nash, the chairman of Care UK, a private healthcare provider, and founder of the private equity fund Sovereign Capital, which owns several other private healthcare companies. Such companies stand to be the biggest beneficiaries of Conservative policies to increase the use of private health providers within the NHS.... Big Society?....Caring Conservatives?" We're just trying to establish who the old etonians are Jane. I'm sure Lansley isn't, wasn't and won't be the first and last MP to have his nose in the trough. | |||
"who am i i come across as a selfish,uncaring,hater of the sick,or any one in need." Apart from my own kith and kin, you forgot that bit " it disgusts me,that i have to pay taxes.to live in a society,that cares." I resent paying taxes that are given away to the lazy, the inept and the weak. Their families bred them, let them keep them. " i have a me,me,me,attitude second to none." Not just me, me, - it extends to us, us - us being my wife and kids, parents and other assorted relatives. " but i believe,in daves big community. where ordinary people,will think of others.care for their neighbors, help the sick,and needy.do voluntary work,for the benefit of society,and the community. hmmm,who could be so contradictory." Ah right, so the Big Society ISN'T about dumping people on the dole and then filling their jobs with unpaid volunteers as some people on here (usually Labour Trotskyists) have suggested? I'm so glad you cleared that up for me. Lend us a couple of grand for a new car, our one is now more than four years old and it's looking a little tatty. Go on, be a nice community caring chappie willing to dig deep for someone in need who you don't even know, it's only a few grand, what's that in today's money huh? | |||
"Andrew Lansley...Secretary of State for Health In January 2010 the Telegraph revealed that Landsley was being bankrolled by John Nash, the chairman of Care UK, a private healthcare provider, and founder of the private equity fund Sovereign Capital, which owns several other private healthcare companies. Such companies stand to be the biggest beneficiaries of Conservative policies to increase the use of private health providers within the NHS.... Big Society?....Caring Conservatives?" Other media report that the money (£21,000) came from John Nash's wife, Caroline, so there's clearly no conflict of interest there, eh? She also gave £60,000 to the Conservative Party and £6,000 towards David Davies failed Tory leadership bid. Lest anyone think this is just a 'kick the Tory bastards' sorta post - it's worth remembering that Brian Souter, Britain's No1 homophobe and head of Stagecoach has offered up to £500,000 to the Scottish National Party. | |||
"who am i i come across as a selfish,uncaring,hater of the sick,or any one in need. Apart from my own kith and kin, you forgot that bit it disgusts me,that i have to pay taxes.to live in a society,that cares. I resent paying taxes that are given away to the lazy, the inept and the weak. Their families bred them, let them keep them. i have a me,me,me,attitude second to none. Not just me, me, - it extends to us, us - us being my wife and kids, parents and other assorted relatives. but i believe,in daves big community. where ordinary people,will think of others.care for their neighbors, help the sick,and needy.do voluntary work,for the benefit of society,and the community. hmmm,who could be so contradictory. Ah right, so the Big Society ISN'T about dumping people on the dole and then filling their jobs with unpaid volunteers as some people on here (usually Labour Trotskyists) have suggested? I'm so glad you cleared that up for me. Lend us a couple of grand for a new car, our one is now more than four years old and it's looking a little tatty. Go on, be a nice community caring chappie willing to dig deep for someone in need who you don't even know, it's only a few grand, what's that in today's money huh?" Hoi! Less of the Trotskyite accusations if you don't mind. About your need for a new car. Doesn't the business you set up just for that purpose supply you with a new one whenever you need it? | |||
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"Maybe you do not give a frig, But I can assure you there are plenty of other people who do give a frig about trees. I hope as a nation we dont get involved in another war like WW2. How long would we last with this everyman for himself fuck you Jack im in the dinghy attitude.Not long me thinks!! " There's always a need for someone to sell the nylons and chocolate. | |||
"Andrew Mitchell Secretary of State for International Development.... Articles in the Sunday Times and the Guardian newspapers of 31 October 2010 report that Mitchell pressured the Foreign Office and colleagues to lobby Ghana (successfully) for the lifting of a ban on cocoa company Armajaro Holdings, which had been a repeated donor to Mitchell's parliamentary office and also a donor to the Conservative Party. Ghana had imposed the ban as the company was believed by the Ghanaian government to have been smuggling cocoa out of Ghana. Hmmmmmm" Chocolate smuggling! Holy Shit, call out the guards, we're being flooded with bogus creme eggs!! A few choccy shops might feel the pinch. Forgive me for chuckling here | |||
"Maybe you do not give a frig, But I can assure you there are plenty of other people who do give a frig about trees. I hope as a nation we dont get involved in another war like WW2. How long would we last with this everyman for himself fuck you Jack im in the dinghy attitude.Not long me thinks!! " I don't give a frig about the trees because NOBODY IS GONNA CUT THEM ALL DOWN. Not the govt, nor private business, not in this country. Everyone knows that plant life is the Earth's lung and while we can't control what happens in South America, our own forests are pretty well protected. So why worry myself over something that just isn't GOING TO HAPPEN. | |||
"who am i i come across as a selfish,uncaring,hater of the sick,or any one in need. Apart from my own kith and kin, you forgot that bit it disgusts me,that i have to pay taxes.to live in a society,that cares. I resent paying taxes that are given away to the lazy, the inept and the weak. Their families bred them, let them keep them. i have a me,me,me,attitude second to none. Not just me, me, - it extends to us, us - us being my wife and kids, parents and other assorted relatives. but i believe,in daves big community. where ordinary people,will think of others.care for their neighbors, help the sick,and needy.do voluntary work,for the benefit of society,and the community. hmmm,who could be so contradictory. Ah right, so the Big Society ISN'T about dumping people on the dole and then filling their jobs with unpaid volunteers as some people on here (usually Labour Trotskyists) have suggested? I'm so glad you cleared that up for me. Lend us a couple of grand for a new car, our one is now more than four years old and it's looking a little tatty. Go on, be a nice community caring chappie willing to dig deep for someone in need who you don't even know, it's only a few grand, what's that in today's money huh?" eh i don't believe it,you agree,it's just a way of saving money. hold it, i'll have to wait,until your next post.to see what your opinion is,on the big community. i usually do the best out of five,with you.xx | |||
"Who gives a fuck, voyeur wants to be a nice caring community chappie so I'm asking him for a new motor. I bet he tells me to sod off though." I can't tell you how to do it but I know of someone who 1) bought one of their vehicles 4 months old about 18 years ago and has kept it in good nick over all these years. Of course it helps if you can afford to buy a quality vehicle in the first place and 2) gets a brand new runabout every three years for about £200 per month including tax, insurance, servicing, breakdown cover etc. All he has to pay for is petrol. | |||
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"Maybe you do not give a frig, But I can assure you there are plenty of other people who do give a frig about trees. I hope as a nation we dont get involved in another war like WW2. How long would we last with this everyman for himself fuck you Jack im in the dinghy attitude.Not long me thinks!! I don't give a frig about the trees because NOBODY IS GONNA CUT THEM ALL DOWN. Not the govt, nor private business, not in this country. Everyone knows that plant life is the Earth's lung and while we can't control what happens in South America, our own forests are pretty well protected. So why worry myself over something that just isn't GOING TO HAPPEN." Trees ain't worth fuck-all when they're standing (except as a tax dodge). Right to roam legislation makes it almost impossible to charge people to come and look at them. The only way to realise value is to clear cut and sell on. | |||
"eh i don't believe it,you agree,it's just a way of saving money. hold it, i'll have to wait,until your next post.to see what your opinion is,on the big community. i usually do the best out of five,with you.xx" Huh? Do you wanna go re-read what we've been talking about. In context. Fuck me, you're hard work sometimes. | |||
"Andrew Mitchell Secretary of State for International Development.... Articles in the Sunday Times and the Guardian newspapers of 31 October 2010 report that Mitchell pressured the Foreign Office and colleagues to lobby Ghana (successfully) for the lifting of a ban on cocoa company Armajaro Holdings, which had been a repeated donor to Mitchell's parliamentary office and also a donor to the Conservative Party. Ghana had imposed the ban as the company was believed by the Ghanaian government to have been smuggling cocoa out of Ghana. Hmmmmmm Chocolate smuggling! Holy Shit, call out the guards, we're being flooded with bogus creme eggs!! A few choccy shops might feel the pinch. Forgive me for chuckling here :-
) "You don't get it do you Wishy? Tax fraud.....defrauding the Ghanian government out of millions of Dollars worth of Tax.....How?....By smuggling hundreds of thousands of tons out of Ghana into France. And he's the guy who is supposedly involved in International Development? How?.....by defrauding poor countries out of Tax income....and lots of it. | |||
"David Cameron Lord Howell (Foreign Office minister) Henry Bellingham (Foreign Office minister) Lord Astor of Hever (Defence minister) Hugo Swire (Northern Ireland minister) Sir George Young (Leader of the Commons) Oliver Letwin (Cabinet Office minister) Nick Hurd (Cabinet Office minister) Philip Dunne (whip) Bill Wiggin (whip) Lord DeMauley (whip) Lord Sassoon (Treasury minister) In the interests of balance ...old Etonians in Government...." I hope you're not suggesting someone deliberately 'edited' their list to exclude the people whose old school didn't suit the point they were struggling to make? What sort of person would try to pull a stroke like that? | |||
"Maybe you do not give a frig, But I can assure you there are plenty of other people who do give a frig about trees. I hope as a nation we dont get involved in another war like WW2. How long would we last with this everyman for himself fuck you Jack im in the dinghy attitude.Not long me thinks!! I don't give a frig about the trees because NOBODY IS GONNA CUT THEM ALL DOWN. Not the govt, nor private business, not in this country. Everyone knows that plant life is the Earth's lung and while we can't control what happens in South America, our own forests are pretty well protected. So why worry myself over something that just isn't GOING TO HAPPEN. Trees ain't worth fuck-all when they're standing (except as a tax dodge). Right to roam legislation makes it almost impossible to charge people to come and look at them. The only way to realise value is to clear cut and sell on." I wonder if The Wildlife Trust will agree with that. They earn pretty well from annual memberships. (800,000 members nationwide @ min. £30 = £24m/pa | |||
" Hmmmmmm Chocolate smuggling! Holy Shit, call out the guards, we're being flooded with bogus creme eggs!! A few choccy shops might feel the pinch. Forgive me for chuckling here :-
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You don't get it do you Wishy?
Tax fraud.....defrauding the Ghanian government out of millions of Dollars worth of Tax.....How?....By smuggling hundreds of thousands of tons out of Ghana into France.
And he's the guy who is supposedly involved in International Development?
How?.....by defrauding poor countries out of Tax income....and lots of it."Those who don't give a toss about how we treat developing countries are usually the first to jump up and down like schoolgirls when people from the developing countries turn up in the UK and try to do the same thing to us. | |||
"David Cameron Lord Howell (Foreign Office minister) Henry Bellingham (Foreign Office minister) Lord Astor of Hever (Defence minister) Hugo Swire (Northern Ireland minister) Sir George Young (Leader of the Commons) Oliver Letwin (Cabinet Office minister) Nick Hurd (Cabinet Office minister) Philip Dunne (whip) Bill Wiggin (whip) Lord DeMauley (whip) Lord Sassoon (Treasury minister) In the interests of balance ...old Etonians in Government.... I hope you're not suggesting someone deliberately 'edited' their list to exclude the people whose old school didn't suit the point they were struggling to make? What sort of person would try to pull a stroke like that? "Maybe you should have been more precise. You said CABINET MINSTERS. You made no mention of junior ministers, ministers without portfolio and whips. Semantics? | |||
"David Cameron Lord Howell (Foreign Office minister) Henry Bellingham (Foreign Office minister) Lord Astor of Hever (Defence minister) Hugo Swire (Northern Ireland minister) Sir George Young (Leader of the Commons) Oliver Letwin (Cabinet Office minister) Nick Hurd (Cabinet Office minister) Philip Dunne (whip) Bill Wiggin (whip) Lord DeMauley (whip) Lord Sassoon (Treasury minister) In the interests of balance ...old Etonians in Government.... I hope you're not suggesting someone deliberately 'edited' their list to exclude the people whose old school didn't suit the point they were struggling to make? What sort of person would try to pull a stroke like that? "In fairness ....no!!... Mabye Wishy was thinking prime cabinet posts ...tho could be argued the whips hold the power lol....it didn`t seem right that it appeared you was totally wrong....it was unbalanced .... And I`m not a Trotskie either by the way .... | |||
" Trees ain't worth fuck-all when they're standing (except as a tax dodge). Right to roam legislation makes it almost impossible to charge people to come and look at them. The only way to realise value is to clear cut and sell on. I wonder if The Wildlife Trust will agree with that. They earn pretty well from annual memberships. (800,000 members nationwide @ min. £30 = £24m/pa" Nobody is FORCED to join the Wildlife Trust, the RSPB, the National Trust, the Rambler's Association or any other charity in order to enjoy the countryside. | |||
"David Cameron Lord Howell (Foreign Office minister) Henry Bellingham (Foreign Office minister) Lord Astor of Hever (Defence minister) Hugo Swire (Northern Ireland minister) Sir George Young (Leader of the Commons) Oliver Letwin (Cabinet Office minister) Nick Hurd (Cabinet Office minister) Philip Dunne (whip) Bill Wiggin (whip) Lord DeMauley (whip) Lord Sassoon (Treasury minister) In the interests of balance ...old Etonians in Government.... I hope you're not suggesting someone deliberately 'edited' their list to exclude the people whose old school didn't suit the point they were struggling to make? What sort of person would try to pull a stroke like that?
Maybe you should have been more precise. You said CABINET MINSTERS. You made no mention of junior ministers, ministers without portfolio and whips.
Semantics?"Nah, I suspect most of the are C of E. | |||
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"You don't get it do you Wishy? Tax fraud.....defrauding the Ghanian government out of millions of Dollars worth of Tax.....How?....By smuggling hundreds of thousands of tons out of Ghana into France. And he's the guy who is supposedly involved in International Development? How?.....by defrauding poor countries out of Tax income....and lots of it." Am I supposed to be getting all upset about fookin Ghana? We raped the entire African continent when we 'found' it a couple of hundred years ago. Why don't we invite them all over here in recompense. Life ISN'T a box of chocolates, y'know exactly what you're gonna get. I wish we'd hade more dodgy dealers on the World Cup committee, maybe we'd have been able to exert a bit more pressure of the Fifa non-entities and secure the thing instead of wasting millions of pounds on it. That's where our top notch dodgy MPs come in handy - if only someone would let them off the fookin leash once in a while. How many times have we been fucked over by the French - all with the support of the EU. | |||
" Trees ain't worth fuck-all when they're standing (except as a tax dodge). Right to roam legislation makes it almost impossible to charge people to come and look at them. The only way to realise value is to clear cut and sell on. I wonder if The Wildlife Trust will agree with that. They earn pretty well from annual memberships. (800,000 members nationwide @ min. £30 = £24m/pa Nobody is FORCED to join the Wildlife Trust, the RSPB, the National Trust, the Rambler's Association or any other charity in order to enjoy the countryside. " We're N/Trust members and it's the most v.f.m. £80/year we spend. I'm not one for walking about hillsides and woods really, so we opt for country houses/estates historical buildings etc. Now if the Forests were something you had to pay to go and spend time in, you'd see a lot less of Mr & Mrs Chav and their five ugly apprentice chavs arriving in a state paid for gas guzzler and leaving their multibag walkers crisp packets all over the forest floor. | |||
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" Trees ain't worth fuck-all when they're standing (except as a tax dodge). Right to roam legislation makes it almost impossible to charge people to come and look at them. The only way to realise value is to clear cut and sell on. I wonder if The Wildlife Trust will agree with that. They earn pretty well from annual memberships. (800,000 members nationwide @ min. £30 = £24m/pa Nobody is FORCED to join the Wildlife Trust, the RSPB, the National Trust, the Rambler's Association or any other charity in order to enjoy the countryside. We're N/Trust members and it's the most v.f.m. £80/year we spend. I'm not one for walking about hillsides and woods really, so we opt for country houses/estates historical buildings etc. Now if the Forests were something you had to pay to go and spend time in, you'd see a lot less of Mr & Mrs Chav and their five ugly apprentice chavs arriving in a state paid for gas guzzler and leaving their multibag walkers crisp packets all over the forest floor." Means test the bastards Wishy hahaha..you`re deffo on one ...quiet funny ... | |||
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" Means test the bastards Wishy hahaha..you`re deffo on one ...quiet funny ..." No need to means test them, just give them the forms and if they're too thick to fill them out, pack them off to the work houses, leaving the forests clean and tidy for people better equipped mentally to appreciate them. | |||
" ............ We're N/Trust members and it's the most v.f.m. £80/year we spend. I'm not one for walking about hillsides and woods really, so we opt for country houses/estates historical buildings etc. .............." If you join the National Trust for Scotland it's cheaper AND you get access to all National Trust properties in England, wales and NI + some overseas places. My life membership was about £800 a few years back and it's been well worth while. Right up there with membership of the Scottish Youth Hostels Association. | |||
" Means test the bastards Wishy hahaha..you`re deffo on one ...quiet funny ... No need to means test them, just give them the forms and if they're too thick to fill them out, pack them off to the work houses, leaving the forests clean and tidy for people better equipped mentally to appreciate them. "Its quite heartening that some peeps are taking an interest in our forests and woodlands ...some of which are publicly owned and held in trust by the state ...the mismanagement of some of them maybe addressed ...and rights of way .... Anyway ...about the Old Etonians ....are they fit fer purpose do you think ....bit Tim But Dims eh ?.. | |||
"In the pursuit of further balance ... David Cameron is the 19th British Prime Minister to be an Old Etonian .... The history of British politics is littered with examples of Tory cabinets being stuffed full of Old Etonians ... It appears to be an old boy network doesn`t it!! ...we won`t talk about the Carlton Club or suchlike that guide the Tory Party from behind closed doors ..." How about a bit of perspective on that.. The Labour Party didn't exist until the early 20th Century and Prime Ministers came from either the Liberals or the Tories. There was no other choice, so it's not a real big surprise to know that 19 Prime Ministers have come from the playing fields of Eton. Also, back in those days, women didn't vote, most of the working class could barely mark an 'x' as a signature and with the mass movement of people in the Industrial Age it was nigh on impossible to get an accurate electoral register. (I've done my family tree going back to 1594 and they moved all over the country, which wasn't uncommon in many families). Eton is known as the nursery of British statesmen, no arguments from me there, but it follows that the cleverest kids in the best schools are going to do well in life. That doesn't mean that working class kids don't make it to the top though, many have become business leaders in their chosen fields, leading surgeons, doctors, lawyers etc. Going to Eton doesn't give you an automatic entry to Downing Street either though. | |||
"In the pursuit of further balance ... David Cameron is the 19th British Prime Minister to be an Old Etonian .... The history of British politics is littered with examples of Tory cabinets being stuffed full of Old Etonians ... It appears to be an old boy network doesn`t it!! ...we won`t talk about the Carlton Club or suchlike that guide the Tory Party from behind closed doors ... How about a bit of perspective on that.. The Labour Party didn't exist until the early 20th Century and Prime Ministers came from either the Liberals or the Tories. There was no other choice, so it's not a real big surprise to know that 19 Prime Ministers have come from the playing fields of Eton. Also, back in those days, women didn't vote, most of the working class could barely mark an 'x' as a signature and with the mass movement of people in the Industrial Age it was nigh on impossible to get an accurate electoral register. (I've done my family tree going back to 1594 and they moved all over the country, which wasn't uncommon in many families). Eton is known as the nursery of British statesmen, no arguments from me there, but it follows that the cleverest kids in the best schools are going to do well in life. That doesn't mean that working class kids don't make it to the top though, many have become business leaders in their chosen fields, leading surgeons, doctors, lawyers etc. Going to Eton doesn't give you an automatic entry to Downing Street either though." I`ll work it out abit more and we`ll have some more perspective of the nod and wink of Old Etonians ... Tho the points you raise are pertinent!! ....just avoid the old boy network...it hardly been a meritocracy has it .....they seem to be preeminently in positions of government .. You see abit class focused ..The Old Boy network and positions of old priveledge were the only way to get into Eton and the like ....class ridden as much as anything you throw at others ala ...kitchen sink generational socialism ...you can`t have it both ways ...mabye you can ...I dunno ... Eton and others are finally changing...its becoming mor open to genuine entry of merit ....that was hardly the case in the past ..was it !!! Still fucking window dressing...tho I live in hope!!.. | |||
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" ......... Eton and others are finally changing...its becoming mor open to genuine entry of merit ....that was hardly the case in the past ..was it !!! ." Eton, and the other public schools, are only widening their access in order to preserve their charitable status. | |||
"I'm not too bothered about class tbh, if a guy can do the job I don't really give a monkeys where he started out from. The class discussion on here was me trying to demonstrate that not all Cameron's cabinet are Old Etonians and that not all Old Etonians become cabinet ministers. My best pal's ex-wife is the sister of a childless millionairess, so his daughter gets the full works from her rich Auntie. All well and good, but, when the child attended a state comp she was mercilessly taunted about being a 'toff' and continually had her nice things stolen from her on school trips etc. When her Aunt found out she pulled her straight out of a state comp and sent her private where every kid had the smart things and there was no class distinction. She is not responsible for her birth no more than she is accountable for her Aunt's success, but the poor kids didn't like it and she bore the brunt of that. Today she is at Oxford and expected to do well in the City. She comes from a council estate - the same one I grew up in." I like to think I`m not class ridden ....but on some level I am ...not thru upbringing ...my father was an illiterate miner in South Wales and left the Army as an officer ...he was a staunch Tory ...I just got a bent to the left ... Yes ...inverted snobbery is just as bad ....an idealogical conviction is fine ...snobbery sucks on all levels .... A relative of mine who grew up on lino and picking carrots.. aspired to better himself which I respect and I see as healthy, has made his fortune but has became selfish and anyone working class is shit in his eyes ...he sent his kids to Uni...made success`s of themselves ....ones spoilt as fuck ...the wealthiest kid ...a millionaire is a nice fella tho ...Labour incidentally ...the others haven`t a clue about their political convictions ...which is up to them ..not my business.. To be honest ..I think the whole ststem fucks ...theres no balance between ideaologies ...and this 4/5 year short term politics is to narrow and open to silly games to retain power ... The longer term game plan fer this islands health and prosperity isn`t thought of ...anyway .. | |||
" ......... Eton and others are finally changing...its becoming mor open to genuine entry of merit ....that was hardly the case in the past ..was it !!! . Eton, and the other public schools, are only widening their access in order to preserve their charitable status." Theres some truth in that ... | |||
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"I couldn't agree more. I've long thought that politican's play to the sound bites of the day than to the long term needs of the country as a whole. It's a real pity we just don't seem to be able to elect an honest one who will stand up and say this is how it is, this is what it should be and this is how I'm going to get us from here to there. But I'd trade all of that for one politician who would just come and bloody say, "Britain is giving nothing away anymore, and the doors are closed to everyone who doesn't offer us value for money." Just one is all we need to stand up and say it, and he'll win millions of votes. Go to any pub on a Saturday afternoon and listen, you'll hear it up and down the land. We're pissed off at Benefit Britain." Ain`t being funny here Wishy but you`re in fer a rough time in the near future ..... I`ve earnt my way thru life ....often with blood as a price ....and agree people who scrounge get up any decent working citizen wound up ..... Yes we need a welfare state that makes it a better option to work ...clamp down hard on the scroungers ...the welfare state wasn`t created for them in mind ...but theres a history of closing down mass industries and not creating jobs for people to have ...it creates a benefit culture......but our welfare state is something to be proud of ...and somethings go beyond a monetary value and you can`t put a price on morality .. The Welfare reform is fine ....but show me the jobs .....its not adding up ....depending on yer brand of Conservatism ..unempolyment is desirable ...isn`t it ? If you mean more efficient then ...gawd yes ....but that to Tories always seems to mean privatisation and shareholders ...something I have a few problems with ...corruption and bottom lines etc.. Yes...we need a true leader...above reproach and some wit ... I was never a strong new Labour supporter ....but got swept away with the early promise .....my values to see the gap between rich and poor reduced didn`t happen ....nor reinvestment in Britains industry .....a real failure ....they fell in with the bankers ... As an aside ...never think I don`t admire people who make money...entrepreneurs create wealth and jobs .. | |||
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"I got caught up with Blair's New Labour too and voted for the guy. It failed, they failed, and that's why I voted Tory this time around. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Amassive opportunity wasted wasn`t it ....I thought they had the balance ....jobs ...a wealth economy ...and social values ....but splashing money around ...massive public sector instead of industry ...and as always centralisation... Question time and Andrew Neil after ..guess you`re watching ?..see if they can any light on the Gordian Knot eh... | |||
"eh i don't believe it,you agree,it's just a way of saving money. hold it, i'll have to wait,until your next post.to see what your opinion is,on the big community. i usually do the best out of five,with you.xx Huh? Do you wanna go re-read what we've been talking about. In context. Fuck me, you're hard work sometimes." thanks wishy 
you change your opinion,thread,to thread.to suit your own purpose,at the time
i seem to remember,the big society.was all about,being able to nip out,to your local shop,without locking your door.do you remember,you should,you wrote it.
now your admitting,it is about saving money.
thats two,opinions.it could be a draw.
that would be unusual,when it's the best of five.
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"I got caught up with Blair's New Labour too and voted for the guy. It failed, they failed, and that's why I voted Tory this time around. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Amassive opportunity wasted wasn`t it ....I thought they had the balance ....jobs ...a wealth economy ...and social values ....but splashing money around ...massive public sector instead of industry ...and as always centralisation... Question time and Andrew Neil after ..guess you`re watching ?..see if they can any light on the Gordian Knot eh..." I remember the election debates last May when Gordy the Gaffe pleaded that the way out of a reccession was to keep spending, Cam the Man rebuffed him on that, and Nick the Pri.. looked nice in his yellow tie. It's basic economics. If you haven't got the cash, are at your credit limit and the bank says 'NO' - you stop spending. It's only govt that seems to think it's ok to pass a trillion pound debt onto our kids and grandkids, but hopefully, Cameron will address that so that it doesn't come to pass. I hope he does but time will tell if he means what he says or he's just another in a long long line of bullshitters. We'll see I guess. | |||
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"I got caught up with Blair's New Labour too and voted for the guy. It failed, they failed, and that's why I voted Tory this time around. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Guess what. You got fooled again. You voted Tory and got Coalition. Tory manifesto promises dumped by the skipload. | |||
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"No, I said that's how it used to be when I was a kid, and that it's a shame we don't have that now. That's not what I said The Big Society was/is/will be. And then again, when I suggested you re-read the thread IN CONTEXT, that was a subtle (too subtle it seems) attempt to get you understand sarcasm. Cameron's Big Society is doomed to failure because 1) he hasn't sold it properly, and 2) because of that nobody's buying into it. Blair came a cropper with his Third Way, nobody understood it but him. As for me, well, I just plod on taking care of my family, saving a buck where I can, using the system put in place for me to use and keeping it all legal. My Big Society are all asleep upstairs safe and sound. And that's all that really matters to me." 3.....people can read it for themselves. maybe it reads different tonight. as for sarcasm,nobody would use that on the forums,would they??? | |||
"I got caught up with Blair's New Labour too and voted for the guy. It failed, they failed, and that's why I voted Tory this time around. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Guess what. You got fooled again. You voted Tory and got Coalition. Tory manifesto promises dumped by the skipload." Show me a government that hasn't dumped some of it's election pledges after winning power. Here's a link to an article on the Telegraph's site comparing Labour's 2005/2010 election manifestos. http://ninjalink.com/34568wij (url masked so it's not intepreted as a number and blocked) | |||
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"Labour's manifesto for the last election spread the recovery not over Four years but Eight.....just like the USA. Taking an axe to public services in such a manner will result in tears." This would be the recession that Brown pledged would never happen again. No more boom & bust. Remember that? I sure do. The only reason Brown spread it over 8 years is because he knew the true state of the economy and knew the electorate would shit themselves if he told them the truth. Who really wants 8 years of spending cuts. Get it out the way in this parliament and move on, that's the economics I believe in - get rid of debt asap. If you're servicing a loan of £100/month, for example, and then pay it off, that is a swing of £200. On a grander scale, paying off £1trn of debt as quickly as possible is a £2trn swing once it's paid for. That's quite a few new schools, hospitals, firemen, policemen and a couple of nice little tax breaks too. As for small business. If a business hasn't planned properly then it needs to redraw it's business model. If it then finds the business is unsustainable then it should close, and rightly so. | |||
"............... Guess what. You got fooled again. You voted Tory and got Coalition. Tory manifesto promises dumped by the skipload. Show me a government that hasn't dumped some of it's election pledges after winning power. Here's a link to an article on the Telegraph's site comparing Labour's 2005/2010 election manifestos. ................. " Voting Tory is bad enough. Believing what your read in the Torygraph is grounds for sectioning. | |||
"............... Taking an axe to public services in such a manner will result in tears. " Worse than just tears. Lives will be lost whether it's because there isn't a cop, a firey, a nurse or a lollipop lady there when you or your family need one. Children will be abused because nobody is bothering about Disclosure or Criminal Records checks. Battered wives will find themselves with no refuge places to go to. People will get ill because there aren't enough Environmental Health Officers to monitor the restaurants, bars and cafes. | |||
"............... Guess what. You got fooled again. You voted Tory and got Coalition. Tory manifesto promises dumped by the skipload. Show me a government that hasn't dumped some of it's election pledges after winning power. Here's a link to an article on the Telegraph's site comparing Labour's 2005/2010 election manifestos. ................. Voting Tory is bad enough. Believing what your read in the Torygraph is grounds for sectioning." Are you implying that the telegraph rewrote Labour's election manifestos? They are a matter of public record and as such are open to scrutiny by whoever wants to look at them. Don't take my word for it, go read the article, it's quite unbiased in so much as it lists Labour's broken election pledges as well as the pledges they honoured. Or do you just want to sit on the red side of the fence throwing pebbles at any passing Tory because it suits you to sit there and deny the truth. | |||
"............... Taking an axe to public services in such a manner will result in tears. Worse than just tears. Lives will be lost whether it's because there isn't a cop, a firey, a nurse or a lollipop lady there when you or your family need one. Children will be abused because nobody is bothering about Disclosure or Criminal Records checks. Battered wives will find themselves with no refuge places to go to. People will get ill because there aren't enough Environmental Health Officers to monitor the restaurants, bars and cafes. " That's pure sensationalism. Nothing more. Even if a sex offender applies to be removed from the register it doesn't automatically follow that he will be. The govt are moving towards giving the police the final say in any removal of an individual from the register and if the police believe the offender still poses a risk, he stays on it. How many people do you think the police - pessemistic by nature - will assent to deleting a known sex offender from it? Not many, if any at all, I'd wage. | |||
"............... That's pure sensationalism. Nothing more. Even if a sex offender applies to be removed from the register it doesn't automatically follow that he will be. The govt are moving towards giving the police the final say in any removal of an individual from the register and if the police believe the offender still poses a risk, he stays on it. How many people do you think the police - pessemistic by nature - will assent to deleting a known sex offender from it? Not many, if any at all, I'd wage. " The above just demonstrates that you haven't understood the Supreme Court decision. It's precisely because the cops, who tend to err on the side of caution, will be almost certainly NOT to allow anyone's name to be removed from the SOR that the Supreme Court has decided that anyone seeking to have their name removed 'should have the right to ask' - no more than that - just the right to ask a court to remove their name from the register. That's how it works in Scotland at the moment. I doubt many, if any, names will have been removed from the SOR, but it should still ultimately be a decision for judges. As for sensationalism, pure or otherwise, it's more like shroud waving but there's no doubt, statistically, that it'll happen. Nobody is looking forward to hearing of someone's granny dying in a fire at her care home 'cos there aren't enough staff to keep the place safe or enough firey's close enough to extinguish a fire should it catch but it'll happen. Nobody want to see a child killed crossing a main road 'cos there's no lollipop lady but it'll happen. | |||
"Nobody is looking forward to hearing of someone's granny dying in a fire at her care home 'cos there aren't enough staff to keep the place safe or enough firey's close enough to extinguish a fire should it catch but it'll happen. Nobody want to see a child killed crossing a main road 'cos there's no lollipop lady but it'll happen. " Much like it does today already, you mean? As for the right to ask for one's name to be removed from the sex register - I think we're agreed that asking doesn't mean it will be so, and I think that's what the govt have realised also, so it makes no difference whether sex offenders have the right to ask or not - they'll still be on the sex offenders register for as long as they are considered a risk, and it's been very well documented that sex predators are 99.9% always going to pose a risk. We can put that one to bed then huh? | |||
"Nobody is looking forward to hearing of someone's granny dying in a fire at her care home 'cos there aren't enough staff to keep the place safe or enough firey's close enough to extinguish a fire should it catch but it'll happen. Nobody want to see a child killed crossing a main road 'cos there's no lollipop lady but it'll happen. Much like it does today already, you mean? As for the right to ask for one's name to be removed from the sex register - I think we're agreed that asking doesn't mean it will be so, and I think that's what the govt have realised also, so it makes no difference whether sex offenders have the right to ask or not - they'll still be on the sex offenders register for as long as they are considered a risk, and it's been very well documented that sex predators are 99.9% always going to pose a risk. We can put that one to bed then huh?" I didn't wake it up in the first place. The questions of people remaining on SOR and there being no background checks for people working with kids are two wholly separate matters. If we agree that the mere asking a court won't automatically mean it comes to pass, why are Cameron and May leaping up and down like demented chickens? Playing to a hard right audience perhaps? You're right. Kids are being killed going to school. Sacking lollipop ladies can only make the situation worse. | |||
" .........and it's been very well documented that sex predators are 99.9% always going to pose a risk. ................" Can you point us towards this 'documentation'? I doubt your 99.9% claim is accurate and would welcome independent confirmation, especially since it's "very well documented" and shouldn't be too hard to find. You'll probably want to start with back isues of the Torygraph - not that anyone thinks that's in any way independent. | |||
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" .........and it's been very well documented that sex predators are 99.9% always going to pose a risk. ................ Can you point us towards this 'documentation'? I doubt your 99.9% claim is accurate and would welcome independent confirmation, especially since it's "very well documented" and shouldn't be too hard to find. You'll probably want to start with back isues of the Torygraph - not that anyone thinks that's in any way independent." Likewise, let's see your 'proof' of Old Etonians awarding contracts to Old Etonians. Not supposition, heresay or just plain shout in the dark meanderings from north of the border separatits (freudian slip there), let's see some hard facts from you about the Old Boy Network (and not just a list of names eh?) - amounts, payees, payers?? You got any of that info? ..while you're at it, let's also have some details on cash for peerages during the last govt's term in office. How about the complaint that was brought by the Scottish National party MP Angus McNeil after it emerged that four wealthy businessmen, who had lent the Labour party a total of £5m, were nominated by Tony Blair for peerages. All four of the peerages were later blocked by the House of Lords appointments commission. | |||
" Likewise, let's see your 'proof' of Old Etonians awarding contracts to Old Etonians. ............... " The word contract appears only once before on this page and it's in your post I've quoted. | |||
" .........and it's been very well documented that sex predators are 99.9% always going to pose a risk. ................ Can you point us towards this 'documentation'? I doubt your 99.9% claim is accurate and would welcome independent confirmation, especially since it's "very well documented" and shouldn't be too hard to find. You'll probably want to start with back isues of the Torygraph - not that anyone thinks that's in any way independent. Likewise, let's see your 'proof' of Old Etonians awarding contracts to Old Etonians. Not supposition, heresay or just plain shout in the dark meanderings from north of the border separatits (freudian slip there), let's see some hard facts from you about the Old Boy Network (and not just a list of names eh?) - amounts, payees, payers?? You got any of that info? ..while you're at it, let's also have some details on cash for peerages during the last govt's term in office. How about the complaint that was brought by the Scottish National party MP Angus McNeil after it emerged that four wealthy businessmen, who had lent the Labour party a total of £5m, were nominated by Tony Blair for peerages. All four of the peerages were later blocked by the House of Lords appointments commission. " Seldom have I see such a blatant, yet poor, attempt to change the subject. You made the 99.9% allegation. Now stand it up. | |||
" Likewise, let's see your 'proof' of Old Etonians awarding contracts to Old Etonians. ............... The word contract appears only once before on this page and it's in your post I've quoted." Quote: The Unaccommodating Voyeur " If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all " ~ Isn't 'selling' a contract between two parties for the exchange of goods or services? It was the last time I looked. | |||
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"Or Eton Mess ..ahem !!... My speciality dish. Absolutely love it, especially with blackcurrant coulis. "Yer ferking peasant ....you forgot the silver spoon  | |||
"Or Eton Mess ..ahem !!... My speciality dish. Absolutely love it, especially with blackcurrant coulis.
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" Likewise, let's see your 'proof' of Old Etonians awarding contracts to Old Etonians. ............... The word contract appears only once before on this page and it's in your post I've quoted. Quote: The Unaccommodating Voyeur If you're a Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire, selling off the forests - to your Old Etonian Tory multi-millionaire pals ISN'T such a stupid idea at all ~ Isn't 'selling' a contract between two parties for the exchange of goods or services? It was the last time I looked. " Your continued attempts to change the subject aren't working. Answer the 99.9% question. Where did you get that supposed statistic? Did you, as I suspect, make it up? | |||
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" .........and it's been very well documented that sex predators are 99.9% always going to pose a risk. ................ Can you point us towards this 'documentation'? I doubt your 99.9% claim is accurate and would welcome independent confirmation, especially since it's "very well documented" and shouldn't be too hard to find. You'll probably want to start with back isues of the Torygraph - not that anyone thinks that's in any way independent. Likewise, let's see your 'proof' of Old Etonians awarding contracts to Old Etonians. Not supposition, heresay or just plain shout in the dark meanderings from north of the border separatits (freudian slip there), let's see some hard facts from you about the Old Boy Network (and not just a list of names eh?) - amounts, payees, payers?? You got any of that info? ..while you're at it, let's also have some details on cash for peerages during the last govt's term in office. How about the complaint that was brought by the Scottish National party MP Angus McNeil after it emerged that four wealthy businessmen, who had lent the Labour party a total of £5m, were nominated by Tony Blair for peerages. All four of the peerages were later blocked by the House of Lords appointments commission. " As an aside ...between mine and Sharons absolutions, I`ve had a quick go on google to find the proof, that the Eton old school tie exists re; a quid pro quo ... Hardly a surprise, thats rather like giving me the challenge of proving that bears shit in the woods...at midnight with a candle to light my way ....But we know that bears shit in the woods don`t we ... Ferking ironic that the two old school ties, start their campaigns for Av...when the shape of the front benches is awash with public schoolboys....its achronistic..flies straight in the face of the big society blah blah ... We have a return of a ruling elite again ...esp Eton ...followed closely by Oxford and the prerquiste ..PPE`s that all both sides of the house clothe themselves in .... Not one of them has ANY fucking business experience or understanding of anything outside of their own priveledged backgrounds .... Meritocracy ....democracy ....nous ....all my arse ... The ruling elite now are financiers...and markets ...money and bloodlines .......long gone is the time when business had a voice ....and all we get is patronisation...yeah ...we the ruling classes have fucked the country up ....but be good chaps (thats you and me) and pay for our mistakes ...literally .... Fuck em ....I didn`t sign up fer this ...I want competence ....get their own hands in their pockets ....a 10% wealth tax on the richest will wipe out the debt entirely .....job done ...then lets sort out the system ....get abit of working savvy involved ...proven rack records of running and implementing policy ...Thats a real fucking U TURN .... This current lot are dropping more balls than a short sighted juggler .. Its time fer change ..some of us know it ....the turn outs in elections keep dwindling ....Anyhows.. I`m rushing here..we`re of out ....catch yer laters.. | |||
"Hes now got my vote even though im in scotland. The many private forests up here are unloved and being turned into windfarms. "Further to the 'windfarms in Scottish forests ............. "A POWERFUL group of multi-national firms has won one of Europe's most lucrative energy deals to build as many as 1,000 new wind turbines in Scotland's forests, Scotland on Sunday can reveal." "Environment Minister Roseanna Cunningham will announce the details of the contracts later today. The rights to exploit parts of the Forestry Commission's land-holdings have been handed to Spanish-owned Scottish Power, German-run EoN and PNE, and Norwegian company Fred Olsen. " So any profit goes to Spain, Germany or Norway? | |||
