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"a birth practice whereby mothers who have their babies via c-section take swabs of their vaginal fluid to rub on the face, body and in the mouth of their new baby. to boost the immune system" Was about to eat but I think I'll wait a bit now | |||
"a birth practice whereby mothers who have their babies via c-section take swabs of their vaginal fluid to rub on the face, body and in the mouth of their new baby. to boost the immune system Was about to eat but I think I'll wait a bit now" If you were born naturally, you were smothered in it and swallowed it yourself. Where's the problem? It's an entirely natural thing. There's nothing disgusting about birth or the female fluids involved. | |||
"a birth practice whereby mothers who have their babies via c-section take swabs of their vaginal fluid to rub on the face, body and in the mouth of their new baby. to boost the immune system Was about to eat but I think I'll wait a bit now If you were born naturally, you were smothered in it and swallowed it yourself. Where's the problem? It's an entirely natural thing. There's nothing disgusting about birth or the female fluids involved." I didn't say it was disgusting just said I not hungry  | |||
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"Do you think a bit of face sitting at 51 would help boost my immune system? "That's a good point didn't think of it that way, just got my appetite back | |||
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"Babies born by caesarian may have improved health if mothers undertake vaginal seeding. Would you or have you?" Erm....what? That would have no health benefits at all as far as the evidence goes; a c-section prevents liquor and assorted fluids being expelled from the babies lungs during the compression of a vaginal delivery which means babies born that way are more prone to coughing up thick fluid when initially trying to feed. Rubbing excretions from the Bartholins gland on their face post delivery will not boost anything. The only sure fire way of boosting babies immunity is to breast feed. | |||
"Sounds grim" Perhaps they should call it pussy juicing then it wouldn't sound so grim  | |||
"Babies born by caesarian may have improved health if mothers undertake vaginal seeding. Would you or have you? Erm....what? That would have no health benefits at all as far as the evidence goes; a c-section prevents liquor and assorted fluids being expelled from the babies lungs during the compression of a vaginal delivery which means babies born that way are more prone to coughing up thick fluid when initially trying to feed. Rubbing excretions from the Bartholins gland on their face post delivery will not boost anything. The only sure fire way of boosting babies immunity is to breast feed." Plenty of midwives and medical professionals disagree with you. | |||
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"I've never heard of it, nor do I think its anything medical staff would encourage....i had a section 6 months ago.... Wasn't mentioned " Some midwives advocate it. It's not part of official professional advice yet. | |||
"a birth practice whereby mothers who have their babies via c-section take swabs of their vaginal fluid to rub on the face, body and in the mouth of their new baby. to boost the immune system Was about to eat but I think I'll wait a bit now If you were born naturally, you were smothered in it and swallowed it yourself. Where's the problem? It's an entirely natural thing. There's nothing disgusting about birth or the female fluids involved. I didn't say it was disgusting just said I not hungry "*************** See that is what happens when you read a thread clearly meant for women..  | |||
"Since half the male profiles on here say they love licking down there and will do it for hours, I'm not sure why they'd have a problem with this concept "It's not the licking that's a problem it's having something come out and smile at you when your doing it  | |||
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"I can't remember the name of the last thread on this, even though it wasn't many weeks ago. That had quite a few comments by a recently retired midwife in support of the practice." I wonder if I posted it. I'd probably do it, if I believed I'd not pass infections on. | |||
"I can't remember the name of the last thread on this, even though it wasn't many weeks ago. That had quite a few comments by a recently retired midwife in support of the practice. I wonder if I posted it. I'd probably do it, if I believed I'd not pass infections on." I've searched but can't find it. I've no recollection of what it was called. Yes, it's controversial and the benefits and risks are still being quite hotly debated. | |||
"Babies born by caesarian may have improved health if mothers undertake vaginal seeding. Would you or have you? Erm....what? That would have no health benefits at all as far as the evidence goes; a c-section prevents liquor and assorted fluids being expelled from the babies lungs during the compression of a vaginal delivery which means babies born that way are more prone to coughing up thick fluid when initially trying to feed. Rubbing excretions from the Bartholins gland on their face post delivery will not boost anything. The only sure fire way of boosting babies immunity is to breast feed. Plenty of midwives and medical professionals disagree with you." I'm sorry to disagree with you but no they really don't. Mw's only operate using evidence based care and the only evidence that is currently around is that it could actually introduce infection. | |||
"Babies born by caesarian may have improved health if mothers undertake vaginal seeding. Would you or have you? Erm....what? That would have no health benefits at all as far as the evidence goes; a c-section prevents liquor and assorted fluids being expelled from the babies lungs during the compression of a vaginal delivery which means babies born that way are more prone to coughing up thick fluid when initially trying to feed. Rubbing excretions from the Bartholins gland on their face post delivery will not boost anything. The only sure fire way of boosting babies immunity is to breast feed. Plenty of midwives and medical professionals disagree with you." That they do Dee, that they do. | |||
"Babies born by caesarian may have improved health if mothers undertake vaginal seeding. Would you or have you? Erm....what? That would have no health benefits at all as far as the evidence goes; a c-section prevents liquor and assorted fluids being expelled from the babies lungs during the compression of a vaginal delivery which means babies born that way are more prone to coughing up thick fluid when initially trying to feed. Rubbing excretions from the Bartholins gland on their face post delivery will not boost anything. The only sure fire way of boosting babies immunity is to breast feed. Plenty of midwives and medical professionals disagree with you. I'm sorry to disagree with you but no they really don't. Mw's only operate using evidence based care and the only evidence that is currently around is that it could actually introduce infection." Yes, they really do. | |||
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"Wasn't there a thread a couple of months ago where there was a very heated debate about this? " I did try a search but didn't find it, before posting. | |||
"Wasn't there a thread a couple of months ago where there was a very heated debate about this? I did try a search but didn't find it, before posting. " Apologies for posting that at all - I should have read the thread through then I would have seen that others remembered the thread. | |||
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"Wasn't there a thread a couple of months ago where there was a very heated debate about this? I did try a search but didn't find it, before posting. Apologies for posting that at all - I should have read the thread through then I would have seen that others remembered the thread. " I'm often the first not to read all of a thread Lickety, so you're in company - good or otherwise. | |||
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"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that?" In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. | |||
"Since half the male profiles on here say they love licking down there and will do it for hours, I'm not sure why they'd have a problem with this concept
It's not the licking that's a problem it's having something come out and smile at you when your doing it ". Hehe that made me | |||
"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that? In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. " i mean that they're immune to everything their mum has been exposed to, so they have her antibodies already at birth and got them through the placenta, (not sure how long they keep this extra immunity for - did think it was 6 months but google tells me otherwise). they shouldn't need the vagina to give them germs also or need to build up their immune system that way. although i do struggle with the immune system so maybe i can't get it. are they making the baby have it's own separate immune system and it works differently because the germs are first hand and not gotten through the placenta and this affects something? | |||
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"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that? In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. i mean that they're immune to everything their mum has been exposed to, so they have her antibodies already at birth and got them through the placenta, (not sure how long they keep this extra immunity for - did think it was 6 months but google tells me otherwise). they shouldn't need the vagina to give them germs also or need to build up their immune system that way. although i do struggle with the immune system so maybe i can't get it. are they making the baby have it's own separate immune system and it works differently because the germs are first hand and not gotten through the placenta and this affects something?" . I don't think you can get an immunity from bacteria?. Only virus's and even then you can't if the virus mutates frequently!. I would imagine the more your exposed to "germs" the stronger your immune system gets, like a gym workout, maybe that old wives tale, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" had a bit of truth to it | |||
"Since half the male profiles on here say they love licking down there and will do it for hours, I'm not sure why they'd have a problem with this concept
It's not the licking that's a problem it's having something come out and smile at you when your doing it .
Hehe that made me "Even though the discussion is C-sections so nothing would be coming out smiling  | |||
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"Since half the male profiles on here say they love licking down there and will do it for hours, I'm not sure why they'd have a problem with this concept
It's not the licking that's a problem it's having something come out and smile at you when your doing it .
Hehe that made me
Even though the discussion is C-sections so nothing would be coming out smiling ". I know but I was thinking of that scene from alien only in a sexual way  | |||
"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that? In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. i mean that they're immune to everything their mum has been exposed to, so they have her antibodies already at birth and got them through the placenta, (not sure how long they keep this extra immunity for - did think it was 6 months but google tells me otherwise). they shouldn't need the vagina to give them germs also or need to build up their immune system that way. although i do struggle with the immune system so maybe i can't get it. are they making the baby have it's own separate immune system and it works differently because the germs are first hand and not gotten through the placenta and this affects something?. I don't think you can get an immunity from bacteria?. Only virus's and even then you can't if the virus mutates frequently!. I would imagine the more your exposed to "germs" the stronger your immune system gets, like a gym workout, maybe that old wives tale, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" had a bit of truth to it" Exposure to bacteria when young is a major factor in the development of a strong immune system. It's not an old wive's tale. | |||
"The trouble is we all rush to the doctors with a bad cough these days and demand antibiotics" No we all don't. | |||
"The trouble is we all rush to the doctors with a bad cough these days and demand antibiotics No we all don't. " . No but alot do and you only need a significant amount of people to effect the whole population! | |||
"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that? In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. i mean that they're immune to everything their mum has been exposed to, so they have her antibodies already at birth and got them through the placenta, (not sure how long they keep this extra immunity for - did think it was 6 months but google tells me otherwise). they shouldn't need the vagina to give them germs also or need to build up their immune system that way. although i do struggle with the immune system so maybe i can't get it. are they making the baby have it's own separate immune system and it works differently because the germs are first hand and not gotten through the placenta and this affects something?. I don't think you can get an immunity from bacteria?. Only virus's and even then you can't if the virus mutates frequently!. I would imagine the more your exposed to "germs" the stronger your immune system gets, like a gym workout, maybe that old wives tale, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" had a bit of truth to it Exposure to bacteria when young is a major factor in the development of a strong immune system. It's not an old wive's tale." . Isn't that what I just said? | |||
"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that? In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. i mean that they're immune to everything their mum has been exposed to, so they have her antibodies already at birth and got them through the placenta, (not sure how long they keep this extra immunity for - did think it was 6 months but google tells me otherwise). they shouldn't need the vagina to give them germs also or need to build up their immune system that way. although i do struggle with the immune system so maybe i can't get it. are they making the baby have it's own separate immune system and it works differently because the germs are first hand and not gotten through the placenta and this affects something?. I don't think you can get an immunity from bacteria?. Only virus's and even then you can't if the virus mutates frequently!. I would imagine the more your exposed to "germs" the stronger your immune system gets, like a gym workout, maybe that old wives tale, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" had a bit of truth to it" yes viruses. see, i am a complete failure at immune systems and discussing them. i get what you're saying. one of my sons had chicken pox 3 times but none of my other kids did because their immune system sorted it out properly the first time, so i get how more exposure can help to boost your system until it becomes immune. or maybe it helps your body to recognise what is alien in your body and should not be there? just remembering what i learned about how the immune system fights cancer. i just don't get how adding more of a mothers bodily fluids will boost a baby who already has her immune system and antibodies anyway. | |||
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"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that? In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. i mean that they're immune to everything their mum has been exposed to, so they have her antibodies already at birth and got them through the placenta, (not sure how long they keep this extra immunity for - did think it was 6 months but google tells me otherwise). they shouldn't need the vagina to give them germs also or need to build up their immune system that way. although i do struggle with the immune system so maybe i can't get it. are they making the baby have it's own separate immune system and it works differently because the germs are first hand and not gotten through the placenta and this affects something?. I don't think you can get an immunity from bacteria?. Only virus's and even then you can't if the virus mutates frequently!. I would imagine the more your exposed to "germs" the stronger your immune system gets, like a gym workout, maybe that old wives tale, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" had a bit of truth to it Exposure to bacteria when young is a major factor in the development of a strong immune system. It's not an old wive's tale.. Isn't that what I just said?" I was agreeing with you. | |||
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"ok, i'm really no expert on immune systems, but i'm pretty sure all babies have their mothers immunity from birth anyway. it gets passed on in the last trimester. so how would wiping mums bacterias onto a baby improve that? In the same way that exposing them to dirt helps improve their immune systems. In the days before everything got 99% bacteria free the practice was to leave babies hands a bit dirty so that they could start eating their peck of dirt. i mean that they're immune to everything their mum has been exposed to, so they have her antibodies already at birth and got them through the placenta, (not sure how long they keep this extra immunity for - did think it was 6 months but google tells me otherwise). they shouldn't need the vagina to give them germs also or need to build up their immune system that way. although i do struggle with the immune system so maybe i can't get it. are they making the baby have it's own separate immune system and it works differently because the germs are first hand and not gotten through the placenta and this affects something?. I don't think you can get an immunity from bacteria?. Only virus's and even then you can't if the virus mutates frequently!. I would imagine the more your exposed to "germs" the stronger your immune system gets, like a gym workout, maybe that old wives tale, "what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger" had a bit of truth to it yes viruses. see, i am a complete failure at immune systems and discussing them. i get what you're saying. one of my sons had chicken pox 3 times but none of my other kids did because their immune system sorted it out properly the first time, so i get how more exposure can help to boost your system until it becomes immune. or maybe it helps your body to recognise what is alien in your body and should not be there? just remembering what i learned about how the immune system fights cancer. i just don't get how adding more of a mothers bodily fluids will boost a baby who already has her immune system and antibodies anyway." . I always thought you have the chicken pox virus forever, the immune system just puts it into dormancy in the nerve endings which is why you get secondary shingles?. I don't know if that's the same with all viruses, I read about that Scottish nurse that had the ebola, it seems it's dormant in her eyes?... Like I said I don't know myself but I find it very interesting it somebody does! | |||
"I didn't think new borns had much of an immune system anyhow, I thought the general rule was they developed it over a number of years? A bit like kneecaps. I don't know, I just presumed that's why they burn up with a temperature with every illness and snot pours out constantly?" they don't have a good ability to regulate their temperature, which is why most parents tend to overdress their kids and use loads of blankets. and their immune system is from their mother at birth, and should be kept topped up with breastfeeding. but modern medicine has made this not as important now. their immune system works differently to an adults. if a child gets chicken pox it won't get pushed into vital organs like it would with an adult. i only know these basics really and can't remember a lot about them and really struggle understanding some stuff, which sucks coz i want to get more into genetics and have a real interest in that. i'm not sure how viruses are kept at bay and can come back in the form of shingles, but i know how it works for warts and veruccas, as well as cancer, so am guessing it's something similar to that. that for some reason your immune system doesn't recognise something as alien to the body and treats it like it's one of your own cells so doesn't attack it. i also am now wondering how come my son managed to get rid of his chicken pox but he then caught it again 2 more times? his immune system must have already got rid of it once so why did he catch it again? i need a scholar site or something. | |||
"I didn't think new borns had much of an immune system anyhow, I thought the general rule was they developed it over a number of years? A bit like kneecaps. I don't know, I just presumed that's why they burn up with a temperature with every illness and snot pours out constantly? they don't have a good ability to regulate their temperature, which is why most parents tend to overdress their kids and use loads of blankets. and their immune system is from their mother at birth, and should be kept topped up with breastfeeding. but modern medicine has made this not as important now. their immune system works differently to an adults. if a child gets chicken pox it won't get pushed into vital organs like it would with an adult. i only know these basics really and can't remember a lot about them and really struggle understanding some stuff, which sucks coz i want to get more into genetics and have a real interest in that. i'm not sure how viruses are kept at bay and can come back in the form of shingles, but i know how it works for warts and veruccas, as well as cancer, so am guessing it's something similar to that. that for some reason your immune system doesn't recognise something as alien to the body and treats it like it's one of your own cells so doesn't attack it. i also am now wondering how come my son managed to get rid of his chicken pox but he then caught it again 2 more times? his immune system must have already got rid of it once so why did he catch it again? i need a scholar site or something." . I read an interesting article awhile back about a Swedish tradition of leaving baby's outside in their prams for an hour or two while the parents go shopping, they said in Sweden, is seen as a good way to help the baby's immune system!... It was very interesting even for just the different cultures of leaving your baby in a pram alone for two hours lol... There'd throw you in prison here | |||
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"I didn't think new borns had much of an immune system anyhow, I thought the general rule was they developed it over a number of years? A bit like kneecaps. I don't know, I just presumed that's why they burn up with a temperature with every illness and snot pours out constantly? they don't have a good ability to regulate their temperature, which is why most parents tend to overdress their kids and use loads of blankets. and their immune system is from their mother at birth, and should be kept topped up with breastfeeding. but modern medicine has made this not as important now. their immune system works differently to an adults. if a child gets chicken pox it won't get pushed into vital organs like it would with an adult. i only know these basics really and can't remember a lot about them and really struggle understanding some stuff, which sucks coz i want to get more into genetics and have a real interest in that. i'm not sure how viruses are kept at bay and can come back in the form of shingles, but i know how it works for warts and veruccas, as well as cancer, so am guessing it's something similar to that. that for some reason your immune system doesn't recognise something as alien to the body and treats it like it's one of your own cells so doesn't attack it. i also am now wondering how come my son managed to get rid of his chicken pox but he then caught it again 2 more times? his immune system must have already got rid of it once so why did he catch it again? i need a scholar site or something.. I read an interesting article awhile back about a Swedish tradition of leaving baby's outside in their prams for an hour or two while the parents go shopping, they said in Sweden, is seen as a good way to help the baby's immune system!... It was very interesting even for just the different cultures of leaving your baby in a pram alone for two hours lol... There'd throw you in prison here" used to be tradition here to leave babies outside in the UK also. there was more fresh air then though. am sure most babies would become polluted if we did it these days. in fact there has been some concern that upright strollers make the toddler too close to car exhausts for them to be healthy. the temperature going up does help you get better, but again i'm not sure how. but advice now is not to bring temperature down for anyone ill and let them sweat it off. including babies. only if they start fitting do you need to bring their temperature down, which is more likely with kids under 5 as they can't regulate their temperature like adults can. | |||
"Do you think the temperature is the body's way of trying to get rid of the virus/bacteria, a bit like snot" It is, a little bit. It's the reaction of the white cells working overtime. I have an autoimmune disease so I start running a temperature when my body is attacking itself for no sensible reason at all. | |||
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"I didn't think new borns had much of an immune system anyhow, I thought the general rule was they developed it over a number of years? A bit like kneecaps. I don't know, I just presumed that's why they burn up with a temperature with every illness and snot pours out constantly?" Some babies seem to be born with a pristine gut, no bacteria. Whilst others seem to have theirs differently - presumably from amniotic fluid ingestion. The first few years has an amazing explosion in the growth of the immune system. We rely on foreign organisms for much of our health. The human population has very varied gut flora, with siblings differing. It's still uncertain what all of these organisms are that inhabit us though we know that our digestion is supported. What I'd not like is any shaming to ever occur for mothers who've not managed to breast feed or if they had a caesarean. So more research is needed really, as we can help deduce if there are better ways of supporting a baby's immune system development. | |||
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