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"People will always try and place lables on you thats just what they do. Doesnt mean you have to care or pay attention to their definitions. I will word this wrong and offend someone so sorry! But its like saying someone born male, who feels they are female, is a male because they have a cock. They are whatever they want to be and its no one else business. The important thing is being happy with yourself xx" Agree  | |||
"Show people a photo of either and ask 'what is the colour of this person's skin?' or 'is this person black or white?' and I'm pretty sure nobody is going to say white. Both will experience the oppression of appearing black so telling them they're not black or can't call themselves black if they choose is insulting. Let me guess, it was mainly/solely white people deciding what these people, both with obviously black skin, are allowed to be?" No it was those that I believe identify as white that were saying they can choose what they wish to identify as. The person saying they are not black stated they identify as mixed race, which people said if that's what you choose to identify as then that's your choice. The trans identity did get raised in the process and likewise people said they choose what the want, it's someone's identity and no-one has the right to dictate to them who they are. | |||
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"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney "It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh. | |||
"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney
It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh."Yeah. Such is the way with racists. Have you seen a trump rally  | |||
"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney
It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh.
Yeah. Such is the way with racists. Have you seen a trump rally "Thankfully, no. | |||
"So, last night in the chatroom a slightly debate took place over this. As many are aware, Obama is said to be America's first black president and hallee berrie was said to be the first black woman to receive an Oscar. However, last night a debate started as an individual stated that they are not black as both their parents aren't (one parent is white), which they claimed made them 'mixed race'. Many argued saying that it's what they identify as and they have the right to. If they choose to be black or white, they have the right to do so. Similarly there was a woman who we would probably say is white, but she identifies as black as she was adopted by black parents. So question is do you think individuals have the right to decide on how they identify, or do you think it should be how others perceive them? " I, for one, am hardly the person who's going to argue the 'how others perceive them' stance. | |||
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"Halle berry wasnt the first black women to win an oscar i thought it was the woman who played the maid in gone with the wind" Just googled it.hattie mcdaniel | |||
"Halle berry wasnt the first black women to win an oscar i thought it was the woman who played the maid in gone with the wind Just googled it.hattie mcdaniel " Best Supporting Actress as opposed to Halle's Best Actress. | |||
"Halle berry wasnt the first black women to win an oscar i thought it was the woman who played the maid in gone with the wind" I just done the same. She won for supporting actress which is a different categories but yea you're correct. | |||
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"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney "I had a similar discussion with a " slightly right wing" American ; he said " well I don't really like the idea of a Black President, but Obama is " white enough" that we can pretend that he isn't really black" | |||
"Ethnic identity, first time I've seen this in the forum, so well dine op, for an original post Right, I'm mixed race, and I have been writing a book about the unique problems faced by different generations of dual heritage people, I would jab had it finished by now had my laptop not been stolen but that's another story The main thing that started me writing the book was the realisation that most of the successful "black" people, who have risen to the top in their chosen field are mixed race, barack Obama, Lewis Hamilton, hallie berry, and it started to feel like mixed race people were a compromise, but then you look deeper, and you realise that these people are are that talented, and their success is down to talent and hard work. As for the question of what "camp" one belongs to, the answer is neither, the fact is, I'm neither black or white, occasionaly I will refer to myself as black, but that's just me being lazy and not wanting to explain myself. I do know mixed race people who identify as white, and some who do their damndest to avoid the subject (ryan gigs is notorious for avoiding the subject) But what people don't realise is that mixed race people get racism from both sides, black people can be just as racist to mixed race as any other race can (sorry but its true) I remember dating a black girl when I was younger, and her older brother asked her why she wanted to be with a bounty (dark on the outside, white in the inside) and that she should be with a real black man. I personaly don't think anyone can possibly identify as white if they are mixed race, a test for this, walk into a kkk meeting, if you are asked to leave, then you are not white *my reference to.mixed race applies to white European/black African or Caribbean*" I think you may be right with mixed race identifying as white, as I believe those that are perceived mixed race normally identify as that or black, rarely is it white. But I see no problem if people feel they identify differently to what people see them, after all there are no doubt underlying ties for an individual to identify themselves to who they are. Everyone has some judgement over someone's identity, but unless you ask them you don't have a clue. | |||
" Let me guess, it was mainly/solely white people deciding what these people, both with obviously black skin, are allowed to be?" | |||
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"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist "Don't be silly  | |||
"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist
Don't be silly "this.. | |||
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"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist "Correct | |||
" Let me guess, it was mainly/solely white people deciding what these people, both with obviously black skin, are allowed to be? "Apparently I was wrong and I'm really happy to hear I was wrong | |||
"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist "I do hope that's not a serious comment? | |||
"So, last night in the chatroom a slightly debate took place over this. As many are aware, Obama is said to be America's first black president and hallee berrie was said to be the first black woman to receive an Oscar. However, last night a debate started as an individual stated that they are not black as both their parents aren't (one parent is white), which they claimed made them 'mixed race'. Many argued saying that it's what they identify as and they have the right to. If they choose to be black or white, they have the right to do so. Similarly there was a woman who we would probably say is white, but she identifies as black as she was adopted by black parents. So question is do you think individuals have the right to decide on how they identify, or do you think it should be how others perceive them? " actually the joke was always if you asked people who the first black US president was, the answer was "Bill Clinton" (black people loved clinton.... and partly because he built up so much "cred" thats why hillary now gets the rub!) I think the people themselves gets to define themselves and how that is perceived... i always used the sentence, i'd rather be known as a nice guy who happens to the black.... than a black guy who happens to be nice.... its no slight on my colour at all.... but the onus is on the thing i get to control (the nice) rather than the think i can't (the black) | |||
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"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist "And what would you like to learn about, during white history month? I'dlove to know. and yes let's have a white music awards, then everyone can bitch and whine that no white artists were nominated, at the very least it would leave kane west speechless, fucking ridiculous comment. | |||
"With so many people wanting to be called so many different things it's difficult to get it right. And it's too easy to offend people." That's true. In the case of the OP though, it's not people being offended by how they've been described, it's other people deciding how they should be described. I don't think it's up to anyone else to decide who or what a person is. The argument can be taken to daft extremes, of course, because it's fairly obvious I am not, say, a pineapple. But it's up to people to decide their own identity. | |||
"So, last night in the chatroom a slightly debate took place over this. As many are aware, Obama is said to be America's first black president and hallee berrie was said to be the first black woman to receive an Oscar. However, last night a debate started as an individual stated that they are not black as both their parents aren't (one parent is white), which they claimed made them 'mixed race'. Many argued saying that it's what they identify as and they have the right to. If they choose to be black or white, they have the right to do so. Similarly there was a woman who we would probably say is white, but she identifies as black as she was adopted by black parents. So question is do you think individuals have the right to decide on how they identify, or do you think it should be how others perceive them? actually the joke was always if you asked people who the first black US president was, the answer was "Bill Clinton" (black people loved clinton.... and partly because he built up so much "cred" thats why hillary now gets the rub!) I think the people themselves gets to define themselves and how that is perceived... i always used the sentence, i'd rather be known as a nice guy who happens to the black.... than a black guy who happens to be nice.... its no slight on my colour at all.... but the onus is on the thing i get to control (the nice) rather than the think i can't (the black)" Wrong, the first black president was Morgan Freeman | |||
"So, last night in the chatroom a slightly debate took place over this. As many are aware, Obama is said to be America's first black president and hallee berrie was said to be the first black woman to receive an Oscar. However, last night a debate started as an individual stated that they are not black as both their parents aren't (one parent is white), which they claimed made them 'mixed race'. Many argued saying that it's what they identify as and they have the right to. If they choose to be black or white, they have the right to do so. Similarly there was a woman who we would probably say is white, but she identifies as black as she was adopted by black parents. So question is do you think individuals have the right to decide on how they identify, or do you think it should be how others perceive them? actually the joke was always if you asked people who the first black US president was, the answer was "Bill Clinton" (black people loved clinton.... and partly because he built up so much "cred" thats why hillary now gets the rub!) I think the people themselves gets to define themselves and how that is perceived... i always used the sentence, i'd rather be known as a nice guy who happens to the black.... than a black guy who happens to be nice.... its no slight on my colour at all.... but the onus is on the thing i get to control (the nice) rather than the think i can't (the black) Wrong, the first black president was Morgan Freeman "He may also have been the first black God | |||
"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist "we get one month for black history.... you get the other 11.....
and the MOBO's only existed because at the time they covered music categories the brits didn't...... and even then white artist win a bunch of awards!!!!!
you people complain about everything!!!!! | |||
"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist
we get one month for black history.... you get the other 11.....
and the MOBO's only existed because at the time they covered music categories the brits didn't...... and even then white artist win a bunch of awards!!!!!
you people complain about everything!!!!! "And we even got to write most of the history. | |||
"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist
And what would you like to learn about, during white history month? I'dlove to know.
and yes let's have a white music awards, then everyone can bitch and whine that no white artists were nominated, at the very least it would leave kane west speechless, fucking ridiculous comment. "i was going to say aren't the "county music awards" white enough for you..... its the bloke from "hootie and the blowfish" on the side of the "bro's"... and you get everyone else!!! | |||
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"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol" Melcom x?? 
Not everyone sees him as a hero. But I wouldn't expect nuance on this topic from someone who thinks his name was Melcom. | |||
"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist
And what would you like to learn about, during white history month? I'dlove to know.
and yes let's have a white music awards, then everyone can bitch and whine that no white artists were nominated, at the very least it would leave kane west speechless, fucking ridiculous comment. "Yes rediculous but so true. | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol Melcom x??
Not everyone sees him as a hero. But I wouldn't expect nuance on this topic from someone who thinks his name was Melcom. " you know what i meant | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol" white man stands up for white people... hmm... like who for example? david duke (look him up!!!)... that german fella who was leader between 33 and 45? Malcolm, or Malc as i like to call him, was a bit too willing to use aggression for my liking... but if you were to use Martin Luther King instead in you example... you too darn right... he is a hero to me! out of interest when did you ever need white people standing up for your cause... because for about the last 1960 ish years you seem to have it all in your favour.... you need to have a word with my grandma, who lived thru the struggles in the south in the 40s/50's/60's...... then you might change ya tune a little...... | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol Melcom x??
Not everyone sees him as a hero. But I wouldn't expect nuance on this topic from someone who thinks his name was Melcom.
you know what i meant"I did. But I wouldn't really want to discuss the complexities of Jewish race relations with someone who thinks Hitler's name was Histlr...it shows a lack of knowledge of the subject you are discussing. Malcolm X was actually a very divisive character in American black culture. I know white and black people alike who didn't like what he stood for or his methods. I know some who do. A better choice to make your point would have been MLK, but then he was not a militant character so it wouldn't have had the effect you were, I assume, trying to wrongfully imply. | |||
I have no views what so ever towards black...yellow...brown...purple or what ever colour they are. Seems others do thou... | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol Melcom x??
Not everyone sees him as a hero. But I wouldn't expect nuance on this topic from someone who thinks his name was Melcom.
you know what i meant
I did. But I wouldn't really want to discuss the complexities of Jewish race relations with someone who thinks Hitler's name was Histlr...it shows a lack of knowledge of the subject you are discussing.
Malcolm X was actually a very divisive character in American black culture. I know white and black people alike who didn't like what he stood for or his methods. I know some who do.
A better choice to make your point would have been MLK, but then he was not a militant character so it wouldn't have had the effect you were, I assume, trying to wrongfully imply. "Read above post. Ive had my say. If you take that as racist then thats your problem not mine. Im from birmingham. You cant get more of different races around the uk. | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol Melcom x??
Not everyone sees him as a hero. But I wouldn't expect nuance on this topic from someone who thinks his name was Melcom.
you know what i meant
I did. But I wouldn't really want to discuss the complexities of Jewish race relations with someone who thinks Hitler's name was Histlr...it shows a lack of knowledge of the subject you are discussing.
Malcolm X was actually a very divisive character in American black culture. I know white and black people alike who didn't like what he stood for or his methods. I know some who do.
A better choice to make your point would have been MLK, but then he was not a militant character so it wouldn't have had the effect you were, I assume, trying to wrongfully imply.
Read above post. Ive had my say. If you take that as racist then thats your problem not mine. Im from birmingham. You cant get more of different races around the uk. "Yes. You did have your say. I never said you were racist, I said you lack knowledge in this subject matter. | |||
"Serious chip in your shoulder there _abio
I have no views what so ever towards black...yellow...brown...purple or what ever colour they are. Seems others do thou... "no chip on my shoulder at all....I just try to be the best me i can be, and for me to get ahead in life i was always taught i had to be better than the person next to me.... but you seem to think its jovial... but to the likes of my grandmother it was real life... and real life they dealt with day in and day out...... as i said... i am sure you wouldn't be a flippant with the topic you turned the direction with if you spoke to people it truely affected.... | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol Melcom x??
Not everyone sees him as a hero. But I wouldn't expect nuance on this topic from someone who thinks his name was Melcom.
you know what i meant
I did. But I wouldn't really want to discuss the complexities of Jewish race relations with someone who thinks Hitler's name was Histlr...it shows a lack of knowledge of the subject you are discussing.
Malcolm X was actually a very divisive character in American black culture. I know white and black people alike who didn't like what he stood for or his methods. I know some who do.
A better choice to make your point would have been MLK, but then he was not a militant character so it wouldn't have had the effect you were, I assume, trying to wrongfully imply.
Read above post. Ive had my say. If you take that as racist then thats your problem not mine. Im from birmingham. You cant get more of different races around the uk.
Yes. You did have your say. I never said you were racist, I said you lack knowledge in this subject matter. "Yes you think i do...im not gonna lose sleep over that | |||
"Serious chip in your shoulder there _abio
I have no views what so ever towards black...yellow...brown...purple or what ever colour they are. Seems others do thou...
no chip on my shoulder at all....I just try to be the best me i can be, and for me to get ahead in life i was always taught i had to be better than the person next to me....
but you seem to think its jovial... but to the likes of my grandmother it was real life... and real life they dealt with day in and day out......
as i said... i am sure you wouldn't be a flippant with the topic you turned the direction with if you spoke to people it truely affected...."Yes just like the irish in birmingham in the 70s. You know after the pub bombings. | |||
" Yes just like the irish in birmingham in the 70s. You know after the pub bombings. "and thats really the comparison to the struggle for civil rights and equality for millions you want to make..... okay then sport!!!!! and you were the one to throw out the hero/racist comparison!!!!! | |||
" Yes just like the irish in birmingham in the 70s. You know after the pub bombings.
and thats really the comparison to the struggle for civil rights and equality for millions you want to make..... okay then sport!!!!!
and you were the one to throw out the hero/racist comparison!!!!!"So your saying that every white person is to blame for your grandmothers hardships? I take it you dont have any white friends etc | |||
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"Anyway, I wonder what people think about the white woman who pretended to be black for years and eventually became a leader in the NAACP. Her parents were both white, she was white. She said she felt constrained by the "biological identity thrust upon [her]." Can she rightfully identify herself as black because she "feels" black? I'm curious what people think about self-identity in such a situation." A bit like wako jacko then | |||
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"Just in case I'm misunderstanding this, is it now being claimed that Irish people were discriminated against in the UK as a result of the actions of a relatively small number of Irish people and that behaviour was racist? How does this fit with the subject of racism?" Oh god im out  | |||
" Yes just like the irish in birmingham in the 70s. You know after the pub bombings.
and thats really the comparison to the struggle for civil rights and equality for millions you want to make..... okay then sport!!!!!
and you were the one to throw out the hero/racist comparison!!!!!
So your saying that every white person is to blame for your grandmothers hardships? I take it you dont have any white friends etc "I think he's saying if some white people realised what some black people have actually faced/continue to face, they wouldn't be so glib and flippant when it comes to discussing racism , equality and civil rights. | |||
"Anyway, I wonder what people think about the white woman who pretended to be black for years and eventually became a leader in the NAACP. Her parents were both white, she was white. She said she felt constrained by the "biological identity thrust upon [her]." Can she rightfully identify herself as black because she "feels" black? I'm curious what people think about self-identity in such a situation. A bit like wako jacko then "Not at all. There are reports that Michael Jackson may have had vitiligo, or something similar. I don't know enough about his medical history or his mental state to compare him to this woman who has made specific statements as to her race identification. | |||
"Just in case I'm misunderstanding this, is it now being claimed that Irish people were discriminated against in the UK as a result of the actions of a relatively small number of Irish people and that behaviour was racist? How does this fit with the subject of racism? Oh god im out "So what was your point? Because how it relates to racism and race identity really wasn't clear | |||
" So your saying that every white person is to blame for your grandmothers hardships? I take it you dont have any white friends etc " nope, and stop trying to put words in my mouth... thanking you.....i know that enough white people didn't do enough to change the status quo at the time.... shit thats why it's called the status quo!!!
thats why it was called "the struggle"
have enough white friends thanks for asking.... when to a majority white school in a white area of NYC.... then when to a majority white school in east london....
then went to 2 majoritiy white universities.....
i hate to break it to you... on my list of white friends.... you're name isn't on it..... | |||
"Anyway, I wonder what people think about the white woman who pretended to be black for years and eventually became a leader in the NAACP. Her parents were both white, she was white. She said she felt constrained by the "biological identity thrust upon [her]." Can she rightfully identify herself as black because she "feels" black? I'm curious what people think about self-identity in such a situation." I think her case is a complicated one and I'd need to know a lot more about her, her mental state and her motives to make any sort of decision. Gender dysphoria is now recognised and we're starting to accept the inner gender maybe different to the external gender. Perhaps other types of dysphoria, such as ethnic identity dysphoria also exist. On the face of it it's tempting to say she knowingly lied and pretended to be black. The natural tendency is to wonder if she did it for some personal gain. Alternatively maybe she identified with the discrimination and the struggle and wanted to help. Or perhaps it's more complicated, she really does feel black and there's a reason we don't know or understand. | |||
" So your saying that every white person is to blame for your grandmothers hardships? I take it you dont have any white friends etc nope, and stop trying to put words in my mouth... thanking you.....i know that enough white people didn't do enough to change the status quo at the time.... shit thats why it's called the status quo!!!
thats why it was called "the struggle"
have enough white friends thanks for asking.... when to a majority white school in a white area of NYC.... then when to a majority white school in east london....
then went to 2 majoritiy white universities.....
i hate to break it to you... on my list of white friends.... you're name isn't on it..... "Did you happen to grasp the alleged significance of random comments about Irish people? | |||
" Did you happen to grasp the alleged significance of random comments about Irish people?" yeah, i think he found himself going down an alley he saw was going to make him look really really bad.... so threw that one out as a bit of a "hail mary".... bit of a "bait and switch".... | |||
" Did you happen to grasp the alleged significance of random comments about Irish people? yeah, i think he found himself going down an alley he saw was going to make him look really really bad.... so threw that one out as a bit of a "hail mary".... bit of a "bait and switch"...." Ah and he's now, having realised how he was looking, declared himself "out" altogether by using being questioned on wtf he's on about as an excuse. Ok, gotcha | |||
" So question is do you think individuals have the right to decide on how they identify, or do you think it should be how others perceive them? " Fascinating topic. The reason many mixed race people identify themselves as the non-white race is because that's how society judges them. When Obama was younger I doubt anyone looked at him walking down the street and thought "who's the half white guy?" | |||
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"Anyway, I wonder what people think about the white woman who pretended to be black for years and eventually became a leader in the NAACP. Her parents were both white, she was white. She said she felt constrained by the "biological identity thrust upon [her]." Can she rightfully identify herself as black because she "feels" black? I'm curious what people think about self-identity in such a situation." She can't claim black ancestry obviously but I think it's very possible to be 'black' culturally. Where the intersection between race issues and cultural issues meet is a difficult thing to determine I think. | |||
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"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist
And what would you like to learn about, during white history month? I'dlove to know.
and yes let's have a white music awards, then everyone can bitch and whine that no white artists were nominated, at the very least it would leave kane west speechless, fucking ridiculous comment.
Yes rediculous but so true. "No its not | |||
"Just in case I'm misunderstanding this, is it now being claimed that Irish people were discriminated against in the UK as a result of the actions of a relatively small number of Irish people and that behaviour was racist? How does this fit with the subject of racism? Oh god im out "Aww, did somebody not get a meet and now looking for any old attention? Do you want a hug? | |||
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"I think anybody can identify as whatever they like, society and the masses can laugh, ridicule, protest all they like but they have no "god given" or in any other way given right too dictate how you perceive yourself, they can label someone whatever they like it doesn't make the label either fact or something an individual has too accept or subject themselves too." That's true to a certain degree but in some cases, it can matter a lot. A pre-op transsexual woman was sent to a male prison fairly recently because she hadn't sorted out some paperwork and was still male as far as the system was concerned. Then again, some would say should a person with a penis be in a woman's prison, even if they have breasts and look like a woman? | |||
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"So, last night in the chatroom a slightly debate took place over this. As many are aware, Obama is said to be America's first black president and hallee berrie was said to be the first black woman to receive an Oscar. However, last night a debate started as an individual stated that they are not black as both their parents aren't (one parent is white), which they claimed made them 'mixed race'. Many argued saying that it's what they identify as and they have the right to. If they choose to be black or white, they have the right to do so. Similarly there was a woman who we would probably say is white, but she identifies as black as she was adopted by black parents. So question is do you think individuals have the right to decide on how they identify, or do you think it should be how others perceive them? " Bob Marley had it about right (his father was white and his mother was black and he, and they, were all born in Jamaica)... He was quoted saying “Me don’t dip on the black man’s side nor the white man’s side. Me dip on God’s side, the one who create me and cause me to come from black and white.” | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol" Seriously hun, what is wrong with you? | |||
"Anyway, I wonder what people think about the white woman who pretended to be black for years and eventually became a leader in the NAACP. Her parents were both white, she was white. She said she felt constrained by the "biological identity thrust upon [her]." Can she rightfully identify herself as black because she "feels" black? I'm curious what people think about self-identity in such a situation. She can't claim black ancestry obviously but I think it's very possible to be 'black' culturally. Where the intersection between race issues and cultural issues meet is a difficult thing to determine I think. " That's because 'race' is a construct | |||
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"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney
It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh.
Yeah. Such is the way with racists. Have you seen a trump rally "Such is the way with racist zzzzzzzzz love all this shit. I live in inner city London, I`m not saying there are no racist here but you only look at white people has racist. Maybe if the mainstream press told what was happening across all races then good people like yourself wouldnt shout racist to everyone that has an opinion. Trump wants to stop ILLEGAL Mexicans crossing the border, funny, the EU wanted to do the same in Europe. WHY IS HE RACIST and everyone in Europe that supports stopping them aint racist. Trump continuously shouts about helping BLACK AFRICAN Americans get back to work and is shicked at the percentage out of work. HOW IS THAT RACIST. | |||
"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney
It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh.
Yeah. Such is the way with racists. Have you seen a trump rally
Such is the way with racist zzzzzzzzz love all this shit.
I live in inner city London, I`m not saying there are no racist here but you only look at white people has racist. Maybe if the mainstream press told what was happening across all races then good people like yourself wouldnt shout racist to everyone that has an opinion.
Trump wants to stop ILLEGAL Mexicans crossing the border, funny, the EU wanted to do the same in Europe. WHY IS HE RACIST and everyone in Europe that supports stopping them aint racist.
Trump continuously shouts about helping BLACK AFRICAN Americans get back to work and is shicked at the percentage out of work. HOW IS THAT RACIST."I didn't say trump was racist. I said the people at his rallies are. And lots of them are. People like me who shout racist at anyone with an opinion? Really? I know people who support Trump. The people I know are racist and wouldn't disagree with me if I said it to them. You should tell them they are wrong about themselves. | |||
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"Like sports, in the up coming euros how many Scottish/Welsh/Irish people are hoping England do well? I'd say a lot less than English hoping Wales do well. Why because the home nations don't really like the English! " Indeed. It was evident on the recent 6 Nations threads. I'll usually support Scotland/Wales/Ireland unless they're playing England. On the sports threads on here it's clear a lot of Scots and Welsh will support anyone playing England. I've noticed it less with the Irish, personally. | |||
"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney
It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh.
Yeah. Such is the way with racists. Have you seen a trump rally
Such is the way with racist zzzzzzzzz love all this shit.
I live in inner city London, I`m not saying there are no racist here but you only look at white people has racist. Maybe if the mainstream press told what was happening across all races then good people like yourself wouldnt shout racist to everyone that has an opinion.
Trump wants to stop ILLEGAL Mexicans crossing the border, funny, the EU wanted to do the same in Europe. WHY IS HE RACIST and everyone in Europe that supports stopping them aint racist.
Trump continuously shouts about helping BLACK AFRICAN Americans get back to work and is shicked at the percentage out of work. HOW IS THAT RACIST." | |||
"Like sports, in the up coming euros how many Scottish/Welsh/Irish people are hoping England do well? I'd say a lot less than English hoping Wales do well. Why because the home nations don't really like the English! Indeed. It was evident on the recent 6 Nations threads. I'll usually support Scotland/Wales/Ireland unless they're playing England. On the sports threads on here it's clear a lot of Scots and Welsh will support anyone playing England. I've noticed it less with the Irish, personally." A lot of Sport stuff is just banter. I work on building sites with lots of people from the home nations. Loads of stuff is said that would get people sacked in the Im offended offices of the UK but we love it and will all back each other up when needed and share a beer on a Friday | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that." That wasn't your argument. Your argument was directed at "people like me," not the media. Nothing in my comment said anything about only white people being racist. You projected that onto my comment. A sentiment I don't agree with. Anyone can be racist. Although I'll say you're wrong about that in any case. Recently at a trump rally it was widely reported in the media that a black man beat the shit out of a white man and cries for racism were all over the place. The black guy, for your information, was a trump supporter, not a protester. It was all over American media. Facts are our friends. | |||
"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney
It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh.
Yeah. Such is the way with racists. Have you seen a trump rally
Such is the way with racist zzzzzzzzz love all this shit.
I live in inner city London, I`m not saying there are no racist here but you only look at white people has racist. Maybe if the mainstream press told what was happening across all races then good people like yourself wouldnt shout racist to everyone that has an opinion.
Trump wants to stop ILLEGAL Mexicans crossing the border, funny, the EU wanted to do the same in Europe. WHY IS HE RACIST and everyone in Europe that supports stopping them aint racist.
Trump continuously shouts about helping BLACK AFRICAN Americans get back to work and is shicked at the percentage out of work. HOW IS THAT RACIST."He called Mexians racists. Starting the birther movement concerning Obama. In past decades he was known to overcharge blacks renting in his properties. Bankrolling ads against Native Americans for his own financial gain. There's lots of little things if you want to see them. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. " Who has said non-white people can't be racist? | |||
"When Obama was running for President I was talking to a really racist guy who didn't want a black guy for president. I asked him why he considered Obama black. He said one of his parents was black. I said that if that's all it takes then Obama is white because one of his parents is white. So he couldn't be racist against him. Blew his fucking mind.
-Courtney
It doesn't sound as if he had much mind to blow, tbh.
Yeah. Such is the way with racists. Have you seen a trump rally
Such is the way with racist zzzzzzzzz love all this shit.
I live in inner city London, I`m not saying there are no racist here but you only look at white people has racist. Maybe if the mainstream press told what was happening across all races then good people like yourself wouldnt shout racist to everyone that has an opinion.
Trump wants to stop ILLEGAL Mexicans crossing the border, funny, the EU wanted to do the same in Europe. WHY IS HE RACIST and everyone in Europe that supports stopping them aint racist.
Trump continuously shouts about helping BLACK AFRICAN Americans get back to work and is shicked at the percentage out of work. HOW IS THAT RACIST.
He called Mexians racists.
Starting the birther movement concerning Obama.
In past decades he was known to overcharge blacks renting in his properties.
Bankrolling ads against Native Americans for his own financial gain.
There's lots of little things if you want to see them. "*Rapists not racists! Doh! | |||
"Melcom x w or what ever hes name is...hero. White man stands up for white ppl = racist lol" no m8 your not racist and no one has said that, what you are is a little bit ignorant.. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist?" Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. " Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that." the definition or racism goes something along the lines of the systematic oppression of one of more races by a superior or dominant race ..seeing that the white race have been the dominant race for some time now that's why I'm theory only white people can be racist | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally." That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that. the definition or racism goes something along the lines of the systematic oppression of one of more races by a superior or dominant race ..seeing that the white race have been the dominant race for some time now that's why I'm theory only white people can be racist" So if I went to Japan I'd still be an oppressor? | |||
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"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that. the definition or racism goes something along the lines of the systematic oppression of one of more races by a superior or dominant race ..seeing that the white race have been the dominant race for some time now that's why I'm theory only white people can be racist So if I went to Japan I'd still be an oppressor? " go ask the people in Nagasaki | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing " It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that. the definition or racism goes something along the lines of the systematic oppression of one of more races by a superior or dominant race ..seeing that the white race have been the dominant race for some time now that's why I'm theory only white people can be racist So if I went to Japan I'd still be an oppressor? go ask the people in Nagasaki" So that's a no | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals." True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that. the definition or racism goes something along the lines of the systematic oppression of one of more races by a superior or dominant race ..seeing that the white race have been the dominant race for some time now that's why I'm theory only white people can be racist So if I went to Japan I'd still be an oppressor? " No, the Japanese would be being racist towards you. I think the poster meant the western world is majority white. | |||
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"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive" Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us.  | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that. the definition or racism goes something along the lines of the systematic oppression of one of more races by a superior or dominant race ..seeing that the white race have been the dominant race for some time now that's why I'm theory only white people can be racist So if I went to Japan I'd still be an oppressor? go ask the people in Nagasaki So that's a no " I think you know exactly what I meant ..find a dictionary and look up the meaning of racism and you will have your answer | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here?" Yes, it really does. | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. " Cultural Appropriation is a whole other mess | |||
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"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does." How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us?" Non-white people in Northern Ireland are routinely burned out of their homes and harrassed. | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. "I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you? | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? Non-white people in Northern Ireland are routinely burned out of their homes and harrassed. " That's the first I've heard about that, got any sources on that? | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us?" Are you actually asking if racism exists in the UK? Go and look up some figures on the likelihood of being convicted of a crime and sent to prison for white people and for minorities. Look up figures for the likelihood of being in poverty for white people and minorities. Just two examples. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? Non-white people in Northern Ireland are routinely burned out of their homes and harrassed. That's the first I've heard about that, got any sources on that?" It happened on my street! But here's another one from not 6 months ago; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34941712 | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? Are you actually asking if racism exists in the UK? Go and look up some figures on the likelihood of being convicted of a crime and sent to prison for white people and for minorities. Look up figures for the likelihood of being in poverty for white people and minorities. Just two examples." I never said there's no racism here, not sure where you got that from? I'm saying the OP mentioned Obama, the Oscars and I'm saying can you really compare the race issues here to those in America? | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?"I don't see any reason why they shouldn't actually. I said we should learn from what happened, (i.e. acknowledge), and not do it and not tolerate it being done, (i.e. act). But we shouldn't be expected to feel shame ourselves or to try to atone. | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't actually.
I said we should learn from what happened, (i.e. acknowledge), and not do it and not tolerate it being done, (i.e. act). But we shouldn't be expected to feel shame ourselves or to try to atone."But it's still continuing, it's far from over. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? Non-white people in Northern Ireland are routinely burned out of their homes and harrassed. That's the first I've heard about that, got any sources on that? It happened on my street! But here's another one from not 6 months ago; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34941712" Never seen it on the news over here, is it reported a lot on the news in Northern Ireland | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? Non-white people in Northern Ireland are routinely burned out of their homes and harrassed. That's the first I've heard about that, got any sources on that? It happened on my street! But here's another one from not 6 months ago; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34941712 Never seen it on the news over here, is it reported a lot on the news in Northern Ireland " Oh course it's reported on the news in NI - the rest of the UK gets very little news on NI in my experience, usually only related to sectarian terrorism. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing " It's not BS, nor did Tumblr make it up. It's actually a fairly useful way to differentiate racism and bigotry. Obviously anyone can be a bigot. But a black person calling a white person a 'cracker' or similar has nowhere near the historical and cultural impact. It's not on the same level of seriousness. Unfortunately some people can't see nuance or history and insist everything is equally bad. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? Are you actually asking if racism exists in the UK? Go and look up some figures on the likelihood of being convicted of a crime and sent to prison for white people and for minorities. Look up figures for the likelihood of being in poverty for white people and minorities. Just two examples. I never said there's no racism here, not sure where you got that from? I'm saying the OP mentioned Obama, the Oscars and I'm saying can you really compare the race issues here to those in America?" The thread has gone off in a number of directions but if you want to consider the OP specifically, Obama and the Oscars were from a chat discussion which formed the basis of a question the OP put to us. That question is just as relevant here as in America. The OP doesn't actually mention race issues. It's about the perception of race. The discussion moved on to race issues. I think America and Americans are often more aware of race issues but I don't believe they are less of an issue here. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's a bit more prevalent and established than that. It's an academic theory, taught in universities, discussed and written about in journals. True, but this thread seems to be more of an American issue, does it really apply over here? Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? Non-white people in Northern Ireland are routinely burned out of their homes and harrassed. " Still lots if racist attitudes in UK ; and getting worse actually as the racists now extend their filth to others such as Eastern Europeans ...... | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't actually.
I said we should learn from what happened, (i.e. acknowledge), and not do it and not tolerate it being done, (i.e. act). But we shouldn't be expected to feel shame ourselves or to try to atone.
But it's still continuing, it's far from over."However, I'm not continuing it and I don't support it. I can feel ashamed that it continues but I don't see why I should be expected to be ashamed of being white as I so often seem to be. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. Who has said non-white people can't be racist? Quite often it's not said but implied. However I do remember a guy I used to work with coming out with the following comment after a black member of the team was called racist "how can he be racist? He's black". Trying to explain racism can be a chore. Some people do believe only white people can be racist and they say this openly. The theory, which I don't agree with, is that the term racism refers to the institutional discrimination which affects minorities in all areas of their lives on a constant, ongoing basis. White people, as the oppressors, cannot be the target of racism as we will almost certainly never experience racial discrimination in the way a person from an ethnic minority group does. White people, according to the argument, can be subject to racial discrimination and bigotry but not racism. It's a popular theory, held by a very large number of people. As I said, I don't subscribe to it personally. That's the bs tumblr made up racism = power + prejudice thing It's not BS, nor did Tumblr make it up. It's actually a fairly useful way to differentiate racism and bigotry. Obviously anyone can be a bigot. But a black person calling a white person a 'cracker' or similar has nowhere near the historical and cultural impact. It's not on the same level of seriousness. Unfortunately some people can't see nuance or history and insist everything is equally bad. " I do understand the argument. I do see nuance. I don't think it's all equally bad. I do think all racial discrimination is racism. | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't actually.
I said we should learn from what happened, (i.e. acknowledge), and not do it and not tolerate it being done, (i.e. act). But we shouldn't be expected to feel shame ourselves or to try to atone.
But it's still continuing, it's far from over.
However, I'm not continuing it and I don't support it. I can feel ashamed that it continues but I don't see why I should be expected to be ashamed of being white as I so often seem to be."No one should expect you to feel ashamed. But old sins cast long shadows, so when people have no recourse for correcting those ills, that are still felt today, I can certainly understand why they feel the way they do. | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't actually.
I said we should learn from what happened, (i.e. acknowledge), and not do it and not tolerate it being done, (i.e. act). But we shouldn't be expected to feel shame ourselves or to try to atone.
But it's still continuing, it's far from over.
However, I'm not continuing it and I don't support it. I can feel ashamed that it continues but I don't see why I should be expected to be ashamed of being white as I so often seem to be.
No one should expect you to feel ashamed.
But old sins cast long shadows, so when people have no recourse for correcting those ills, that are still felt today, I can certainly understand why they feel the way they do."I also understand it but I do have an issue with being expected to take responsibility for something that I could not possibly have influenced. | |||
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"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't actually.
I said we should learn from what happened, (i.e. acknowledge), and not do it and not tolerate it being done, (i.e. act). But we shouldn't be expected to feel shame ourselves or to try to atone.
But it's still continuing, it's far from over.
However, I'm not continuing it and I don't support it. I can feel ashamed that it continues but I don't see why I should be expected to be ashamed of being white as I so often seem to be.
No one should expect you to feel ashamed.
But old sins cast long shadows, so when people have no recourse for correcting those ills, that are still felt today, I can certainly understand why they feel the way they do.
I also understand it but I do have an issue with being expected to take responsibility for something that I could not possibly have influenced."When people seem so ready, willing and able to celebrate and rejoice at the good things of the past, why are they not in reverse for the bad things? Not you personally, but a general question about the points we've raised. | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us?" if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't actually.
I said we should learn from what happened, (i.e. acknowledge), and not do it and not tolerate it being done, (i.e. act). But we shouldn't be expected to feel shame ourselves or to try to atone.
But it's still continuing, it's far from over.
However, I'm not continuing it and I don't support it. I can feel ashamed that it continues but I don't see why I should be expected to be ashamed of being white as I so often seem to be.
No one should expect you to feel ashamed.
But old sins cast long shadows, so when people have no recourse for correcting those ills, that are still felt today, I can certainly understand why they feel the way they do.
I also understand it but I do have an issue with being expected to take responsibility for something that I could not possibly have influenced.
When people seem so ready, willing and able to celebrate and rejoice at the good things of the past, why are they not in reverse for the bad things?
Not you personally, but a general question about the points we've raised. "As I said, we should learn from them and not do that shit. Hair shirts and self-flagellation may be the stuff of dreams for some but I'll pass. Yes, we should remain aware of it and be disgusted by it. No question. I will continue to object to being told I shouldn't do yoga because of what some white people once did. | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us...." true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are " No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised." Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us...." The government have recently launched a review into if non-whites get harsher sentences for similar crimes. | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country " I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher." There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol" I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness. | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness." I'd say race issues are worse in the US. But they definitely exist here in different ways. | |||
"My argument is that why are white people only deemed racist. People might well be racist at a Trump rally but the press he will get is that makes him racist.But I`m sure you know that. the definition or racism goes something along the lines of the systematic oppression of one of more races by a superior or dominant race ..seeing that the white race have been the dominant race for some time now that's why I'm theory only white people can be racist So if I went to Japan I'd still be an oppressor? go ask the people in Nagasaki So that's a no I think you know exactly what I meant ..find a dictionary and look up the meaning of racism and you will have your answer" http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness." I doubt even you believed that as you typed it haha | |||
"Im still waiting for white history day. Or the white music awards. Not much chance of that...it would be racist "You are in the majority anyway. | |||
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" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness. I doubt even you believed that as you typed it haha" Then you don't know me very well. We're talking about race relations, not issues. | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness. I doubt even you believed that as you typed it haha Then you don't know me very well. We're talking about race relations, not issues." You're just being pedantic with the relations and issues bit. So no, I still don't believe you, you know it's worse in America | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us...." This | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness. I doubt even you believed that as you typed it haha" Race relations, to me, includes communication and awareness of race issues, in the general public as well as the police, government etc You asked earlier if this is relevant to the UK. Then there's the lack of awareness of racial attacks in Ireland shown above. I'd say that demonstrates a lack of awareness of the issues and therefore inadequate communication with the public. And, of course, the apathy and denial of many. | |||
" It's not BS, nor did Tumblr make it up. It's actually a fairly useful way to differentiate racism and bigotry. Obviously anyone can be a bigot. But a black person calling a white person a 'cracker' or similar has nowhere near the historical and cultural impact. It's not on the same level of seriousness. Unfortunately some people can't see nuance or history and insist everything is equally bad. " Can I what the term cracker means? I've read on the urban dictionary (which is largely made up from people) that it is a team meaning whip cracker… if this is true isn't that historical? Again this may be incorrect information. | |||
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" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness. I doubt even you believed that as you typed it haha Race relations, to me, includes communication and awareness of race issues, in the general public as well as the police, government etc You asked earlier if this is relevant to the UK. Then there's the lack of awareness of racial attacks in Ireland shown above. I'd say that demonstrates a lack of awareness of the issues and therefore inadequate communication with the public. And, of course, the apathy and denial of many." I wasn't doubting there being a lack of activism and awareness, I was doubting you believing it's as bad here as it is in America | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?"I agree with you completely. The Romans brutally subjugated the indigenous British people in AD43, and then the bastard Normans in 1066. Both these invaders enslaved natives of this country, and the souls of my ancestors cry out for justice. It is a constant reminder of the pain my forebears suffered when I see the word "restaurant". The Italians and the French should be taken to task for their historical brutality, and reparations should be made. As these events preceded any skin-colour based atrocities, they should be dealt with first. | |||
"Well I've found some common ground, we all have the same kind of problem White people feel they can't voice concerns about migration without being accused if being racist. And people of colour, feel they can't speak up about racism without being accused if having a chip in ones shoulder, or being over sensitive Some white people don't have concerns about migration. My main issue as a white person is being expected by some to feel ashamed because of the behaviour of white people hundreds of years ago. I believe I'm responsible for my own behaviour. I can't atone for the past and I don't think I should be expected to. What I can, and should, do is learn from the past not do the same shit and not tolerate anyone else doing the same shit. I support equality. I absolutely reject that the balance of power should be swung right back the other way, because it's "only fair", and white people should be discriminated against in favour of minorities. Two wrongs do not make a right. I hear a lot of bullshit about what white people should and shouldn't do as a result of what white people did hundreds of years ago. For example, I was recently told white people shouldn't do yoga. That's cultural appropriation, apparently. We, as white people, oppressed India and Indian people, and us doing yoga is disrespectful and is taking their culture when we already stole so much from them. Indian people, however, are entitled to any part of Western culture because they didn't oppress us. I disagree with this people need to act and acknowledge the actions of there ancestors I don't think it would be appropriate for Hitler's son or grandson to visit a place like Israel just because he wasn't the one who was killing them do you?
I agree with you completely. The Romans brutally subjugated the indigenous British people in AD43, and then the bastard Normans in 1066. Both these invaders enslaved natives of this country, and the souls of my ancestors cry out for justice. It is a constant reminder of the pain my forebears suffered when I see the word "restaurant". The Italians and the French should be taken to task for their historical brutality, and reparations should be made. As these events preceded any skin-colour based atrocities, they should be dealt with first. "I thought this but decided not to post it. Very true though. Lol | |||
" Yes, it really does. How? America has lots of race issues, with police killings and Black Lives Matter. How does it apply to us? if i was for example to mention Stephen Lawrence..... it absolutely does matter over here..... i think there is a disconnect between the black community and the police in both the uk and the us.... true, it's just far worse in America. Especially considering how recent cases with Sandra Bland and Tamir Rice are No, it's just on a bigger scale because it's a bigger country and it's more publicised. Race relations are worse there, not just because it's a bigger country I don't necessarily agree with that. I'd be interested to hear Fabio's or Courtney's view though. There are more activist, lobby and advocate groups there than here. Awareness of issues is higher. There's more activism because it's worse there. In my experience it was white kids scared of the police because they smoked all the time, not the poc kids lol I'd say relations are as bad here because there's less activism and awareness. I doubt even you believed that as you typed it haha Race relations, to me, includes communication and awareness of race issues, in the general public as well as the police, government etc You asked earlier if this is relevant to the UK. Then there's the lack of awareness of racial attacks in Ireland shown above. I'd say that demonstrates a lack of awareness of the issues and therefore inadequate communication with the public. And, of course, the apathy and denial of many. I wasn't doubting there being a lack of activism and awareness, I was doubting you believing it's as bad here as it is in America " I believe it's bad in a different way and I believe the issues are worse there but I believe race relations are no better here. | |||
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"We are all pink in the middle " I think it's about the outside bit. | |||
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" I agree with you completely. The Romans brutally subjugated the indigenous British people in AD43, and then the bastard Normans in 1066. Both these invaders enslaved natives of this country, and the souls of my ancestors cry out for justice. It is a constant reminder of the pain my forebears suffered when I see the word "restaurant". The Italians and the French should be taken to task for their historical brutality, and reparations should be made. As these events preceded any skin-colour based atrocities, they should be dealt with first. "If you're going to try and be ironic it's probably best not to riddle it with historic inaccuracies. | |||
"Anyway, I wonder what people think about the white woman who pretended to be black for years and eventually became a leader in the NAACP. Her parents were both white, she was white. She said she felt constrained by the "biological identity thrust upon [her]." Can she rightfully identify herself as black because she "feels" black? I'm curious what people think about self-identity in such a situation." You're asking if it's ok to lie if the ends justify the means!? We know where that logic leads... I think she had a bit too much time on her hands and is generally a bit of a head case. Wasn't the dream about being judged on the content of your heart and not your skin colour??? Well she failed miserably with that message. It's exactly people like her that are the barrier to a common sense. Why not just say: "hey I'm white but I feel strongly about black rights, I don't need to be black to be a black leader". | |||
"Anyway, I wonder what people think about the white woman who pretended to be black for years and eventually became a leader in the NAACP. Her parents were both white, she was white. She said she felt constrained by the "biological identity thrust upon [her]." Can she rightfully identify herself as black because she "feels" black? I'm curious what people think about self-identity in such a situation. You're asking if it's ok to lie if the ends justify the means!? We know where that logic leads... I think she had a bit too much time on her hands and is generally a bit of a head case. Wasn't the dream about being judged on the content of your heart and not your skin colour??? Well she failed miserably with that message. It's exactly people like her that are the barrier to a common sense. Why not just say: "hey I'm white but I feel strongly about black rights, I don't need to be black to be a black leader". " White people getting upset about racism! Gimme a break. Try walking into a bar in Nigeria and being told there is no beer when everyone has one.
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