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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

In light of the Brussels attacks this morning, and of course the looming decision of the Brexit, I'm curious as to whether these attacks may have swayed your opinion on whether you're in or out.

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In light of the Brussels attacks this morning, and of course the looming decision of the Brexit, I'm curious as to whether these attacks may have swayed your opinion on whether you're in or out.

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK."

I would much rather have the security of an intelligence sharing Union. Out of the EU we have no legal right to intelligence information gathered by said Union. We would probably recieve it, but nowhere near as quickly and succinctly as we do now. For security reasons it far outweighs the notion that all the refugees are secret jihadis out to destroy the west. We stop far more of these attacks than actually occur down to the sharing of intelligence. So if anything it's strengthened my opinion of staying in

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Pointless spin on a pointless debate

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Pointless spin on a pointless debate

Well thanks for your useful contribution

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

No, I won't let terrorists manipulate my decision. It's what they want to do; control us through fear, cause panic and confusion and interrupt our daily lives as much as possible.

I'll go on with my life as normal and make my decisions as normal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

By leaving, we will again be able to determine who does and does not enter the UK," Failure to do so significantly increases the terrorist threat here, endangers our people and is a betrayal of this country.

Britain will still remain a member of Nato and the UN

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

to use a distaster for your own goals seems somewhat rather callous and pathetic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"By leaving, we will again be able to determine who does and does not enter the UK," Failure to do so significantly increases the terrorist threat here, endangers our people and is a betrayal of this country.

Britain will still remain a member of Nato and the UN"

Due to immigration officers on every border checkpoint entering the UK we do have the choice on who enters. We have the right to stop, question and refuse entry to anyone under suspicion of a crime. Take off the Britain First tin foil and think for yourself. A vast majority of terrorist acts are committed by "homegrown" or radicalised nationals of the country they commit the act in. Immigration does not stop that

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By *verysmileMan over a year ago

Canterbury

Intelligence is shared regardless of EU membership. Can you imagine the fallout of a loss of life as a result of a failure to do so? The EU exchanges intelligence with non EU countries.

Pointless thread.

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By *ee VianteWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Britain will still remain a member of Nato and the UN

There's no point trying to present rational responses to people so caught up in knee-jerk fear that they can't see past their terror. It gives the terrorists exactly what they want, of course, but that's the point of what they do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Britain will still remain a member of Nato and the UN

But rational is all I know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm rather with ben Franklin actually, id rather not give up liberties for temporary safety.

On that front it makes no difference to my EU vote

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OUT

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

A guy on radio 4 today said the uk would not have to give to the EU £12,000,000,000 if we left. We could spend that here. He said it would virtually wipe out austerity.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"A guy on radio 4 today said the uk would not have to give to the EU £12,000,000,000 if we left. We could spend that here. He said it would virtually wipe out austerity. "

Then he's a moron

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"A guy on radio 4 today said the uk would not have to give to the EU £12,000,000,000 if we left. We could spend that here. He said it would virtually wipe out austerity.

Then he's a moron"

The UK pays £8.5bn net contribution to the EU that Brexiters say we could save by leaving...

The contingency fund for the Trident replacement alone is £10bn...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A guy on radio 4 today said the uk would not have to give to the EU £12,000,000,000 if we left. We could spend that here. He said it would virtually wipe out austerity.

Then he's a moron

The UK pays £8.5bn net contribution to the EU that Brexiters say we could save by leaving...

The contingency fund for the Trident replacement alone is £10bn..."

There ya go then, Trident for next to nowt

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"A guy on radio 4 today said the uk would not have to give to the EU £12,000,000,000 if we left. We could spend that here. He said it would virtually wipe out austerity.

Then he's a moron

The UK pays £8.5bn net contribution to the EU that Brexiters say we could save by leaving...

The contingency fund for the Trident replacement alone is £10bn...

There ya go then, Trident for next to nowt

* the contingency fund alone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In perspective £8.5bn is about 0.0000000125% of our GDP

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"OUT"

I like that, don't waste time giving intellectual explanations of your position on the economic and human rights elements of a possible exit from Europe; just shout out what you want to happen, in the style of a 5 year-old that wants doughnuts and milkshake for his dinner, not those pesky vegetables.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OUT

Does he have to gave you a reason, his choice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In perspective £8.5bn is about 0.0000000125% of our GDP

Or about £300 for every worker

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In light of the Brussels attacks this morning, and of course the looming decision of the Brexit, I'm curious as to whether these attacks may have swayed your opinion on whether you're in or out.

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

Intelligence is shared outside of EU membership and will continue to be so whatever the result of the Brexit vote. It is in every country's interests. Why on earth do you think that exiting the EU would end cooperation against terrorists?

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By *he Hobbit And MeCouple over a year ago

southampton

Lets not ponder on what if`s in or out!

OUT!

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By *ike4362ukMan over a year ago

Cheshunt

"A guy on radio 4 today said the uk would not have to give to the EU £12,000,000,000 if we left. We could spend that here. He said it would virtually wipe out austerity.

Then he's a moron

The UK pays £8.5bn net contribution to the EU that Brexiters say we could save by leaving...

The contingency fund for the Trident replacement alone is £10bn..."
Except the £8.5Bn is an annual payment (a figure I don't agree with as we will still need to subsidise farmers, etc) whereas the Trident Contingency Fund is spread over 20-30 years. If we don't go for Trident, then we will need alternatives and will still need more submarines built to protect a strategic industry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Talking of out, I'm out of this thread. I appreciate people have different opinions but an opinion needs a view point to consider and argue against not just a blunt OUT!!

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"to use a distaster for your own goals seems somewhat rather callous and pathetic"

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By *ophiasChoiceWoman over a year ago

ystrad mynach

"In light of the Brussels attacks this morning, and of course the looming decision of the Brexit, I'm curious as to whether these attacks may have swayed your opinion on whether you're in or out.

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK."

Using this terrorism and tragedy for political gain, when the scene is still unfolding, is highly disrespectful. People have lost their lives.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

maybe he is coming out of the closet and forgot which thread he was on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

Personally all of the above and more, which is why I want out, him

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK."

We already have the power to do this. So I don't understand your point.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

Personally all of the above and more, which is why I want out, him"

I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise, however wrong I think you may be

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

We already have the power to do this. So I don't understand your point. "

Me neither, we had one tragedy like this, bought in stronger anti-terrorism laws (that have been subsequently changed a couple of times) and we haven't had any other incidents.

Where is the correlation between immigration and tourism, let alone a cause and effect relationship?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Pointless spin on a pointless debate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

Personally all of the above and more, which is why I want out, him

I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise, however wrong I think you may be

Just as well. I know I am right so you wouldn't stand a chance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

Personally all of the above and more, which is why I want out, him

I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise, however wrong I think you may be

Well that makes me wrong to because I am out to.

Guess we live in a democracy

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By *eekendsCouple over a year ago

Darlington

can I just ask people this one question,

If say france wanted out and did leave the Eu what would the opinion of the british people be .

I personally think british people would say if the want out good riddance but if they think we are going to buy their goods well they can go and piss off.

So what makes brits think that everyone in Europe is going to treat business etc as if nothing happened when they would definitely Not

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"can I just ask people this one question,

If say france wanted out and did leave the Eu what would the opinion of the british people be .

I personally think british people would say if the want out good riddance but if they think we are going to buy their goods well they can go and piss off.

So what makes brits think that everyone in Europe is going to treat business etc as if nothing happened when they would definitely Not"

We said that about the Scottish!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

Personally all of the above and more, which is why I want out, him

I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise, however wrong I think you may be

Well that makes me wrong to because I am out to.

Guess we live in a democracy"

I'd already worked out your position...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better."

And joint security would be affected in what way?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"can I just ask people this one question,

If say france wanted out and did leave the Eu what would the opinion of the british people be .

I personally think british people would say if the want out good riddance but if they think we are going to buy their goods well they can go and piss off.

So what makes brits think that everyone in Europe is going to treat business etc as if nothing happened when they would definitely Not"

I'd say good luck to them. And wouldn't think twice about buying their wine, champagne, cars (even though they're a bit shit so that might not count) or whatever, why, would you?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

And joint security would be affected in what way?"

Judicial cooperation is EU wide, we'd probably have to have an agreement with each individual member state's judiciary if we left, who knows how long and what substance that would take.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

We already have the power to do this. So I don't understand your point.

Me neither, we had one tragedy like this, bought in stronger anti-terrorism laws (that have been subsequently changed a couple of times) and we haven't had any other incidents.

Where is the correlation between immigration and tourism, let alone a cause and effect relationship?"

That would be terrorism, not tourism! Fucking phone!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

Personally all of the above and more, which is why I want out, him

I'm not going to try and persuade you otherwise, however wrong I think you may be

Well that makes me wrong to because I am out to.

Guess we live in a democracy

I'd already worked out your position..."

Hey we agree on something lol

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By *eekendsCouple over a year ago

Darlington

do you seriously think Scotland who is tied with the the uk in many ways re parliament taxes hospitals etc etc etc , is in anyway the same as the European countries who will be wanting to pick up any business going and in Europe they get subsidies which we will not be party to ,

I did notice someone said about farming subsidies , do you honestly believe uk farmers don't get any subsidies from brussels , when you drive on your motorways look for the signs that say this road or bridge or tunnel was funded by the EU if you seriously believe that the mney goes one way then god help you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

And joint security would be affected in what way?

Judicial cooperation is EU wide, we'd probably have to have an agreement with each individual member state's judiciary if we left, who knows how long and what substance that would take. "

Security cooperation, as said above, has nothing to do with the EU. Our security services share information with other countries because it is of benefit to all.

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By *van ArdenMan over a year ago

Coleford, Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire.

The cowardly and outrageous attacks on innocent people in Brussels have not swayed my opinion about Brexit. If anything those murderous cowards have only served to reinforce my belief that the United Kingdom must leave the European Community.

The problem as I see it is that noone is giving the British electorate the necessary information on which to make a judged and balanced decision.

My own mind is made up on the issue of the Referendum. Nothing I have read or seen will alter that but it appears to me that there is no positive agenda forthcoming from any political group or economic organisation.

All the British public are treated to is a series of negative sound bites designed to instil fear rather than discussion.

A good example is the proposal by Call me Dave, Ozzy Osborne and the CBI that should we leave the EU a million British jobs would be lost.

Cast your minds back and the same threat was made by the aforementioned regarding the introduction if the minimum wage. The million jobs they said would disappear never materialised. In fact the opposite happened and there was a welcome increase in employment.

Getting back to the question put I would state that neither this government nor the previous government have any idea about the number of nett immigrants entering our country.

I have nothing against people coming to the UK to work and seek a better life.What alarms me enormously and I cannot overstate this is that that many of the immigrants now entering the UK may not all be hardened terrorists but there is a strong possibility that there will be IS sympathisers among them.

It is time for our government to take full control over our borders and for them to be accountable for this. We must leave the EC if we are to have any chance of protecting ourselves from terrorist mayhem.

As long as the UK has an open door to all immigrants it is only a matter of time before these murderous barbarians, if they haven't done so already continue their slaughter in our country.

We must leave the EC if for no other reason than to protect our citizens.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"The cowardly and outrageous attacks on innocent people in Brussels have not swayed my opinion about Brexit. If anything those murderous cowards have only served to reinforce my belief that the United Kingdom must leave the European Community.

The problem as I see it is that noone is giving the British electorate the necessary information on which to make a judged and balanced decision.

All the British public are treated to is a series of negative sound bites designed to instil fear rather than discussion.

A good example is the proposal by Call me Dave, Ozzy Osborne and the CBI that should we leave the EU a million British jobs would be lost.

Getting back to the question put I would state that neither this government nor the previous government have any idea about the number of nett immigrants entering our country.

As long as the UK has an open door to all immigrants it is only a matter of time before these murderous barbarians, if they haven't done so already continue their slaughter in our country.

We must leave the EC if for no other reason than to protect our citizens."

* EU

(anyone would think you're living in the 70s

)

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

And joint security would be affected in what way?

Judicial cooperation is EU wide, we'd probably have to have an agreement with each individual member state's judiciary if we left, who knows how long and what substance that would take.

Security cooperation, as said above, has nothing to do with the EU. Our security services share information with other countries because it is of benefit to all."

Security doesn't stop and start at terrorism. Information available through Interpol etc is very limited. The sharing of criminal records and other judicial information is EU wide for EU countries and started in 2012.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

The problem as I see it is that noone is giving the British electorate the necessary information on which to make a judged and balanced decision.

All the British public are treated to is a series of negative sound bites designed to instil fear rather than discussion.

A good example is the proposal by Call me Dave, Ozzy Osborne and the CBI that should we leave the EU a million British jobs would be lost.

Getting back to the question put I would state that neither this government nor the previous government have any idea about the number of nett immigrants entering our country.

As long as the UK has an open door to all immigrants it is only a matter of time before these murderous barbarians, if they haven't done so already continue their slaughter in our country.

We must leave the EC if for no other reason than to protect our citizens.

* EU

(anyone would think you're living in the 70s

I'd still like someone to show me some empirical (that means not made up, you didn't hear it from Dave down the pub and you didn't read it on a meme on Facebook) evidence of the link between immigration and terrorism.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

And joint security would be affected in what way?

Judicial cooperation is EU wide, we'd probably have to have an agreement with each individual member state's judiciary if we left, who knows how long and what substance that would take.

Security cooperation, as said above, has nothing to do with the EU. Our security services share information with other countries because it is of benefit to all.

And do you think that if we exited the EU, we would not continue to cooperate with the ECRIS system? It is of common benefit.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

There isn't any!

Most of the terrorist are home grown.

For the London 7/7 bombings, 3 of them were British and one was born in Jamaica (who was a Muslim convert, whose wife coincidentally was the White Widow, a white British convert from Northern Ireland).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

And joint security would be affected in what way?

Judicial cooperation is EU wide, we'd probably have to have an agreement with each individual member state's judiciary if we left, who knows how long and what substance that would take.

Security cooperation, as said above, has nothing to do with the EU. Our security services share information with other countries because it is of benefit to all.

And do you think that if we exited the EU, we would not continue to cooperate with the ECRIS system? It is of common benefit. "

We would have no legal right to use the system and no other member state would have a legal obligation to share with us. What part of that is hard to grasp? It's not all about terrorism. Fraud, sex offences, assault, weapons charges. All these things would have to be requested by one member state to another. We would no longer be a member state therefore no legal right to the info.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Economically. Maybe in depending on which other poor performing countries wish to enter into Europe and benefit from subsidies

Jurisdicially. Out too many other points of view controlling out laws.

In light of today's atrocities I think it's now about time for the do gooders to wake up and smell the coffee and realise we are a strong nation but only a small one.

Irrespectively. We're are doing alright. We've tightened immigration and businesses are performing.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

And joint security would be affected in what way?

Judicial cooperation is EU wide, we'd probably have to have an agreement with each individual member state's judiciary if we left, who knows how long and what substance that would take.

Security cooperation, as said above, has nothing to do with the EU. Our security services share information with other countries because it is of benefit to all.

And do you think that if we exited the EU, we would not continue to cooperate with the ECRIS system? It is of common benefit. "

It's set up to operate within the EU for EU member states. Do you have details on how the UK would use it when not an EU member?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

This is just another scare story being put about.

Why wouldn't intelligence be shared? In or out of Europe there are always many Europeans and other nationals working and passing through the country. If France heard of a potential terrorist attack in Gatwick or Heathrow which their citizens would be either working in or travelling through, they wouldn't pass the information on because we are no longer part of the EU?

Don't think so!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

This is just another scare story being put about.

Don't think so!"

How many times do you Daily Mail readers need telling. It's not just terrorism. It's not just about specific circumstances. When we are no longer a member of the EU we lose all privileges that come with it. One being the acces to ECRIS. This is not a debate. We no longer qualify for access to it. This system allows the free sharing of criminal records between EU member states. It means when you go through passport control we have access to the systems showing EU records. Out of EU, we can not use it, simple.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

This is just another scare story being put about.

Don't think so!

Jees, I guess we'll just have to manage the best we can like the other 162 countries in the world!... Of course Romanian Mafia bosses wouldn't just be allowed to come in either if we left the EU maybe, so maybe one would balance the other out

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By *nfamyMan over a year ago

Goole

Remember, If you Vote to leave the E.U you will received a FREE subscription to the Daily Mail with its totally unbiased view on World Views

(This may not be True)

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

This is just another scare story being put about.

Don't think so!

Yeah, but immigrants...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

This is just another scare story being put about.

Don't think so!

Which is why are prisons are full of eastern Europeans?

And I take it as a slur that you would ever think I was a Daily Mail reader!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure of my voting position yet but joint security seems better.

Do things from rational thinking not emotionally driven is probably better.

And joint security would be affected in what way?

Judicial cooperation is EU wide, we'd probably have to have an agreement with each individual member state's judiciary if we left, who knows how long and what substance that would take.

Security cooperation, as said above, has nothing to do with the EU. Our security services share information with other countries because it is of benefit to all.

And do you think that if we exited the EU, we would not continue to cooperate with the ECRIS system? It is of common benefit.

It's set up to operate within the EU for EU member states. Do you have details on how the UK would use it when not an EU member? "

As I stated - no European country would not want us to be a part of it, so ... It would continue.

The world really would not stop turning. Terrorism is a world wide issue. Criminality is a world wide issue.

It is in every country's self-interest to share information.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

This is just another scare story being put about.

Don't think so!

Which is why are prisons are full of eastern Europeans?

And I take it as a slur that you would ever think I was a Daily Mail reader!

I have no idea if our prisons are full of eastern Europeans however I am sceptical of that and also how that's relevant to the point I made? I retract the Daily Mail comment if you proceed without sounding like one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK.

This is just another scare story being put about.

Don't think so!

Which is why are prisons are full of eastern Europeans?

And I take it as a slur that you would ever think I was a Daily Mail reader!

As I don't read it, I wouldn't know whether I sounded like one!

My opinion is as valid as yours!

To me, your argument is a very small part of the reasons to stay or leave. From my experience and talking to those in business, small businesses, not large conglomerate's they would all like us to leave, as would I. Talking today to someone who has several small businesses in France and he told me he is voting to leave. It's only big business that would prefer us to stay.

Getting back to your original point op, my mind has been made up long ago and todays events haven't changed them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I can get this straight in my head....

The ECHIS allows us to check on peoples criminal backgrounds in the EU, we mainly have this right because we allow freedom of movement from EU nation states?.

Now if leave the EU, we won't have this right but at the same time there'll also have no right to just waltz in anyhow?...

That's like saying if Scotland left the union then Westminster would no longer be allowed to check Scottish peoples criminal backgrounds... That's perfectly sensible why should they be allowed, of course if we were to agree a borderless boundary between England and Scotland then it would be practical to still share information as this would suit both England and Scotland?.

I really don't see what the argument is?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Our prisons aren't full of Eastern Europeans, on average over the 12 years between 2002 and 2014 they made up 5% of the prison population. Roughly the same as Asian/British Asian prisoners.

Over 70% of the prison population was White British during the same period.

Don't you just love inarguable facts from official government figures, verified by The Howard League for Penal Reform.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

As I stated - no European country would not want us to be a part of it, so ... It would continue.

Sure... be part of something governed by the EU. Nothing wrong with that at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

Personally todays events make no difference to me, the sooner we are out of Europe the better. All these people saying we are better off in the EU haven't a clue what they're talking about. All the reasons they give for staying in are incorrect and all their views do is weaken our security. OUT OF EUROPE!

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Our prisons aren't full of Eastern Europeans, on average over the 12 years between 2002 and 2014 they made up 5% of the prison population. Roughly the same as Asian/British Asian prisoners.

Over 70% of the prison population was White British during the same period.

Don't you just love inarguable facts from official government figures, verified by The Howard League for Penal Reform.

"
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Out of curiosity...What's the % of Eastern Europeans in the population?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security? "

Freedom of movement.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive. "

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security? "

How does it strenghten it?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check."

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering. "

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We could just check them and stay in. They're not mutually exclusive

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

Errrr.... I travel in and out of UK on a very regular basis; and my passport is checked by UK borders every time: ( going in and coming out; as is everybody's). The photograph is checked against me: and the biometrics are read in the machine. Non-EU passport holders just generally are put through a different gate......

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By *nfamyMan over a year ago

Goole

My Eastern European neighbour helped me change a Flat tyre yesterday, I'm sure he nicked one of my Nuts

I didn't drop it down the Drain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?"

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

Although any EU citizen has theoretical "right of access to UK", all passports are checked, and UK has always retained the right to refuse entry. So the " taking control of our own borders" is a pointless " out" argument, as we already do .

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

Birders/borders....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

This

plus the fact that we can check them currently agains far more comprehensive databases. But yeah lets take control of our borders with blind faith and Paul Golding at the helm

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

No I was asking as I knew somebody who went through there recently and she said it was very lax,I thought you might go through being in Paris yourself and know different

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!"

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

This

plus the fact that we can check them currently agains far more comprehensive databases. But yeah lets take control of our borders with blind faith and Paul Golding at the helm

"
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I still don't get this argument, what about all the bad guys outside the EU?.

Are you telling me we let them in Willy nilly at the moment?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

This

plus the fact that we can check them currently agains far more comprehensive databases. But yeah lets take control of our borders with blind faith and Paul Golding at the helm

I still don't get this argument, what about all the bad guys outside the EU?.

Are you telling me we let them in Willy nilly at the moment?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

"
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Did you manage to find out the % of Eastern Europeans in the uk population yet?... I'm just curious to see if it's the same as the 5% prison one?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

Ah, proving a negative. Only possible if there is a negative in front of it.

Try a regional airport. Have you ever had to show a passport in the EU exit?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

This

plus the fact that we can check them currently agains far more comprehensive databases. But yeah lets take control of our borders with blind faith and Paul Golding at the helm

I still don't get this argument, what about all the bad guys outside the EU?.

Are you telling me we let them in Willy nilly at the moment?

Ok, well at least that's something, do you think that's what the UK will return to if it chooses an EU exit?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Our prisons aren't full of Eastern Europeans, on average over the 12 years between 2002 and 2014 they made up 5% of the prison population. Roughly the same as Asian/British Asian prisoners.

Over 70% of the prison population was White British during the same period.

Don't you just love inarguable facts from official government figures, verified by The Howard League for Penal Reform.

Out of curiosity...What's the % of Eastern Europeans in the population?"

Around 4%

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

No I was asking as I knew somebody who went through there recently and she said it was very lax,I thought you might go through being in Paris yourself and know different"

The French are not necessarily as stringent (though more so nowadays) but then they know that all flights and trains and ferries leaving UK have had all the passports checked on exit from UK, ( and they have instant access to the UK passport check) so there is not much they need to do;

Internal movement within Schengen doesn't ( didn't) need passport checks, though they have put them back at present, arrivals from outside the EU into France are checked quite stringently.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No not change my mind one bit still voting to leave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

Did you manage to find out the % of Eastern Europeans in the uk population yet?... I'm just curious to see if it's the same as the 5% prison one?"

12-13% of UK is foreign born. Of this Indian is the highest proportion followed by Pakistani and polish. In total those 3 make up 6%. Rough estimate of 2-3% of the UK being Eastern European is about right

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone who is saying that this thread is pathetic and pointless, you're wrong. All discusion is good.

How does being in the EU weaken our security?

Freedom of movement.

Freedom is movement is not absolute - we can stop anyone who's a risk from entering the country under the Citizenship Directive.

We can. But if you are an EU citizen travelling to an EU country on an EU passport you are more than likely be waved through, without the appropriate check.

Well that's the receiving country's fault, not the EU's.

But I'm glad you confirmed that we have the ability stop those who are a risk from entering.

Which would be better applied if we left and checked all passports as we should now and not just non EU.

We already have the ability for the checks and controls you mentioned so there's no need to leave on security grounds. Yay

What's the checks like at Charles de gaul?

Usually quite stringent; but we are not talking about French passport control: we are talking about UK border control; who always check everyone's passport ( going in and out).

The point being that " leaving the EU" won't make any difference to "checking our birders" as the UK already does it .

This

plus the fact that we can check them currently agains far more comprehensive databases. But yeah lets take control of our borders with blind faith and Paul Golding at the helm

I still don't get this argument, what about all the bad guys outside the EU?.

Are you telling me we let them in Willy nilly at the moment?

No they go through a visa application system. That includes a full background check and is issued by the embassy. Hardly willy nilly. Same process we have to go through for Australia, NZ, US, Africa, Asia etc. "
not exactly when I came here for the first time from the Caribbean I just came no Visa necessary just a plane ticket and proof you have somewhere to stay

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By *van ArdenMan over a year ago

Coleford, Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire.

So we have control of our own borders ?

If that is correct why hasn't the government been successful in reducing the number of people entering the UK to the "tens of thousands " they promised when they came to power in 2010.

I have to say that doesn't seem much like immigration control to me. Not when the estimated influx of immigrants is in tge " hundreds of thousands "

And so we can refuse entry to anyone ?

That simply is not true as there is free movement for everyone within the EU and no government can stop it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The problem as I see it is that noone is giving the British electorate the necessary information on which to make a judged and balanced decision.

All the British public are treated to is a series of negative sound bites designed to instil fear rather than discussion.

A good example is the proposal by Call me Dave, Ozzy Osborne and the CBI that should we leave the EU a million British jobs would be lost.

Getting back to the question put I would state that neither this government nor the previous government have any idea about the number of nett immigrants entering our country.

As long as the UK has an open door to all immigrants it is only a matter of time before these murderous barbarians, if they haven't done so already continue their slaughter in our country.

We must leave the EC if for no other reason than to protect our citizens."
Well said.

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

Did you manage to find out the % of Eastern Europeans in the uk population yet?... I'm just curious to see if it's the same as the 5% prison one?

My Great Great grandfather came to UK in the 1860s from Hungary , he had to escape after trying to start a revolution,

Am I an Eastern European?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"So we have control of our own borders ?

If that is correct why hasn't the government been successful in reducing the number of people entering the UK to the "tens of thousands " they promised when they came to power in 2010.

I have to say that doesn't seem much like immigration control to me. Not when the estimated influx of immigrants is in tge " hundreds of thousands "

And so we can refuse entry to anyone ?

That simply is not true as there is free movement for everyone within the EU and no government can stop it."

Jesus wept! Read the OP!

And there is not absolute free movement for everyone.

Any EU government can stop a person entering their country on the grounds of ‘public policy, public security or public health’.

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"So we have control of our own borders ?

If that is correct why hasn't the government been successful in reducing the number of people entering the UK to the "tens of thousands " they promised when they came to power in 2010.

I have to say that doesn't seem much like immigration control to me. Not when the estimated influx of immigrants is in tge " hundreds of thousands "

And so we can refuse entry to anyone ?

That simply is not true as there is free movement for everyone within the EU and no government can stop it.

Jesus wept! Read the OP!

And there is not absolute free movement for everyone.

Any EU government can stop a person entering their country on the grounds of ‘public policy, public security or public health’. "

Correct.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

Did you manage to find out the % of Eastern Europeans in the uk population yet?... I'm just curious to see if it's the same as the 5% prison one?

My Great Great grandfather came to UK in the 1860s from Hungary , he had to escape after trying to start a revolution,

Am I an Eastern European?"

These figures are for foreign born living in the UK so if you were born in the UK no you're not.

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

The problem as I see it is that noone is giving the British electorate the necessary information on which to make a judged and balanced decision.

All the British public are treated to is a series of negative sound bites designed to instil fear rather than discussion.

A good example is the proposal by Call me Dave, Ozzy Osborne and the CBI that should we leave the EU a million British jobs would be lost.

Getting back to the question put I would state that neither this government nor the previous government have any idea about the number of nett immigrants entering our country.

As long as the UK has an open door to all immigrants it is only a matter of time before these murderous barbarians, if they haven't done so already continue their slaughter in our country.

We must leave the EC if for no other reason than to protect our citizens.Well said. "

Immigration into the UK has absolutely nothing to do with whether we are in the EU or not.

And certainly in or out of the EU has nothing whatsoever to do with preventing terrorism .( from the immigration point of view)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So if we have control over who comes into our country does that mean that if we vote to stay in and then the European Council start to arbitrarily allocate quotas of immigrants that each member state must take that we can refuse to take them?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"So if we have control over who comes into our country does that mean that if we vote to stay in and then the European Council start to arbitrarily allocate quotas of immigrants that each member state must take that we can refuse to take them?"

No, because we are still a member of the Council of Europe, within or without the EU.

We have no intention of leaving the CoE.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In light of the Brussels attacks this morning, and of course the looming decision of the Brexit, I'm curious as to whether these attacks may have swayed your opinion on whether you're in or out.

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK."

If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The European Council has shown that it is weak and slow to act in the wake of the immigration crises. Only when nations working in their own best interests started to close and block their own borders did the flow of illegal immigrants to Northern Europe stop. The EU is useless.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

Did you manage to find out the % of Eastern Europeans in the uk population yet?... I'm just curious to see if it's the same as the 5% prison one?

I got it to between 3 and 4% adding up the individual countries that make up Eastern Europe, so the prison population is slightly higher (though this would only mean an increase of around 100 people in the prison population). The reasons could also be sociological as much as criminogenic (a jury possibly being more likely to convict an Eastern European but I'm not going to put words into people's mouths)

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By *hechairman18Man over a year ago

Salford Quays , Manchester

Let me pose the following question.

If we were not in the EU,

Would you vote to join it?

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"Let me pose the following question.

If we were not in the EU,

Would you vote to join it?"

Yes

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Let me pose the following question.

If we were not in the EU,

Would you vote to join it?"

Too many unknown variables to decide. We might be under constant bombardment from homegrown terrorists, we might have less human rights and protected characteristics than we have now, the economy could be shot to shit, we might have a real immigration problem...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU."

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council."

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today."

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?"

They were all EU nationals who grew up in Europe, not immigrants. So, what's your point?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?

They were all EU nationals who grew up in Europe, not immigrants. So, what's your point?"

They were French nationals living in Belgium so they were immigrants

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The man on Radio 4 this morning, in answer to the statement that the CBI wanted to stay in the EU, said that the CBI get money from the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My head says stay in, my heart says get the fuck out!

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

If we get out then Cameron might proudly announce he's removing VAT on sanitary products.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?

They were all EU nationals who grew up in Europe, not immigrants. So, what's your point?

They were French nationals living in Belgium so they were immigrants"

PMSL, even by Fab standards of distorted logic, that's a stretch! 3 out of 9 were French nationals living in Belgium (one of whom was born in Belgium, so had dual nationality).

That's like saying my daughter's an immigrant because she's at university in Cardiff!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?

They were all EU nationals who grew up in Europe, not immigrants. So, what's your point?

They were French nationals living in Belgium so they were immigrants"

That's pretty disingenuous. Do you think that without the EU, no one could get from France to Belgium?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The man on Radio 4 this morning, in answer to the statement that the CBI wanted to stay in the EU, said that the CBI get money from the EU. "

So does UKIP

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"That's pretty disingenuous. Do you think that without the EU, no one could get from France to Belgium?"

No, that was just the most futile attempt ever to prove the link between immigration and terrorism!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?

They were all EU nationals who grew up in Europe, not immigrants. So, what's your point?

They were French nationals living in Belgium so they were immigrants

That's pretty disingenuous. Do you think that without the EU, no one could get from France to Belgium?"

You are now asking a different question. You answer this - were they immigrants AND terrorists?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"If feels good to bust some myths doesn't it?

The biggest of which is we need the EU!

Think the biggest myth is that we'll be so much better without it when there's absolutely no proof of such things. As proven above

Did you manage to find out the % of Eastern Europeans in the uk population yet?... I'm just curious to see if it's the same as the 5% prison one?

My Great Great grandfather came to UK in the 1860s from Hungary , he had to escape after trying to start a revolution,

Am I an Eastern European?"

Fooking scary foreigner person you. Go home

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"The man on Radio 4 this morning, in answer to the statement that the CBI wanted to stay in the EU, said that the CBI get money from the EU.

So does UKIP

But UKIP don't want to stay in.....the whole point of their existence is to get out of the EU.

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?

They were all EU nationals who grew up in Europe, not immigrants. So, what's your point?

They were French nationals living in Belgium so they were immigrants

That's pretty disingenuous. Do you think that without the EU, no one could get from France to Belgium?

You are now asking a different question. You answer this - were they immigrants AND terrorists?"

No! At a very long, taken with a huge pinch of salt and using some dumbfounded logic, two of them possibly were but I'm not aware there has ever been restriction of movement between Belgium and France, arguably the whole of both countries is made up of immigrants from the other!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

I'm still waiting for that data to confirm the correlation between immigration and terrorism...go on, tell me you've got it tucked away with all the other data you're presenting today.

Just a thought - where were the Paris attackers living?

They were all EU nationals who grew up in Europe, not immigrants. So, what's your point?

They were French nationals living in Belgium so they were immigrants

That's pretty disingenuous. Do you think that without the EU, no one could get from France to Belgium?

You are now asking a different question. You answer this - were they immigrants AND terrorists?

There you go then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The man on Radio 4 this morning, in answer to the statement that the CBI wanted to stay in the EU, said that the CBI get money from the EU.

So does UKIP

But UKIP don't want to stay in.....the whole point of their existence is to get out of the EU.

So what was your point about the CBI?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think a lot of people are getting confused with this whole open borders,Immigration and asylum seekers...the open border only applies to eu citizens people who live here in the UK and are not uk citizens cannot just get on a plane and go to France or Germany they need a visa like everyone else outside the eu its the same across Europe someone can't just get inside the eu a d just travel anywhere unless they hold an eu member passport

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"The man on Radio 4 this morning, in answer to the statement that the CBI wanted to stay in the EU, said that the CBI get money from the EU.

So does UKIP

But UKIP don't want to stay in.....the whole point of their existence is to get out of the EU.

So what was your point about the CBI?"

*sigh* if the UK leaves the EU, the CBI will lose the money they get from the EU so obviously they are going to suggest it's better to stay in.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"In light of the Brussels attacks this morning, and of course the looming decision of the Brexit, I'm curious as to whether these attacks may have swayed your opinion on whether you're in or out.

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK."

and how do you stop this if as most attacks, they are done with people who live there... 2nd or 3rd generation

to use this is actually beneath compempt bearing in mind we don't know the nationality of those who committed the attacks yet....

remember 7/7 was committed by 4 british people

the paris attacks.... 6 of the 8 attackers were french.....

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Ooooh! How will harsh border controls stop terrorists that are already here or committed by UK nationals?

See? Foiled by one question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The man on Radio 4 this morning, in answer to the statement that the CBI wanted to stay in the EU, said that the CBI get money from the EU.

So does UKIP

But UKIP don't want to stay in.....the whole point of their existence is to get out of the EU.

So what was your point about the CBI?

*sigh* if the UK leaves the EU, the CBI will lose the money they get from the EU so obviously they are going to suggest it's better to stay in. "

*sigh too* they get about 0.6% of their annual funding from the EU for doing surveys so are hardly likely to go skint without it.

http://www.cityam.com/227821/eu-referendum-vote-leave-accuses-cbi-of-being-swayed-by-eu-funding

They as an organisation have said (and registered with the electoral commission) that they neither support the remain nor leave campaigns. On their web site FAQs, the answer to "are you part of the in campaign?" is: "No. We are not affiliated with any of the 'remain’ or ‘leave’ campaign groups set up in advance of the referendum."

However, what they say about their members (who get none of the CBI European cash and employ 7 million people) views is:

"Like most things, our members have different opinions and we never claim there is a uniform view.

Our survey of our members views revealed that 80% think remaining in the European Union is best for their business, with 15% unsure and 5% wanting to leave."

Of course, John Redwood (who I think was the MP on Radio 4) is quite happy for you to pick up a soundbite no matter how misleading.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"The man on Radio 4 this morning, in answer to the statement that the CBI wanted to stay in the EU, said that the CBI get money from the EU.

So does UKIP

But UKIP don't want to stay in.....the whole point of their existence is to get out of the EU.

So what was your point about the CBI?

*sigh* if the UK leaves the EU, the CBI will lose the money they get from the EU so obviously they are going to suggest it's better to stay in.

*sigh too* they get about 0.6% of their annual funding from the EU for doing surveys so are hardly likely to go skint without it.

http://www.cityam.com/227821/eu-referendum-vote-leave-accuses-cbi-of-being-swayed-by-eu-funding

However, what they say about their members (who get none of the CBI European cash and employ 7 million people) views is:

"Like most things, our members have different opinions and we never claim there is a uniform view.

Our survey of our members views revealed that 80% think remaining in the European Union is best for their business, with 15% unsure and 5% wanting to leave."

Of course, John Redwood (who I think was the MP on Radio 4) is quite happy for you to pick up a soundbite no matter how misleading.

Yes! That was him! Disingenuous harpy!

he didn't say all that!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"If there is a suicide bomber before the security barrier, it is not going to make an iota of difference whether we are in or out of the EU.

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council."

Dear PS4H.....

nice scare mongering there... but you do know the answer to that question in Nil... None..... Zero.....

the UK actually has an opt out on that EU scheme......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These people are dedicated and committed individuals with group think mentality, they've organised themselves and now have funding and even admin, although I hear there health and safety is lax!.

Given this, there more than likely going to succeed at some point in the future as eventually the west will relent, you could cut there funding as much as possible but it won't stop them being dedicated to a cause, a situation at this time allows them the upper hand, with utter freedom to move around hiding amongst the masses easily it would appear. Although this is unlikely to be changed as most of us in the west like our freedom!

So it looks like we're in for a traditional game of waiting each other out while the massacres continue

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council."

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?"

Why would we want to set a quota?

There won't be a great rush anyway .

( pity though, they are great workers; ask Mercedes, BMW and VW about that )

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?

Why would we want to set a quota?

There won't be a great rush anyway .

( pity though, they are great workers; ask Mercedes, BMW and VW about that )"

Won't be a rush. Give me strength! The words, on your marks, get set, GO! Spring to mind. Won't be a rush. Fucks sake!

And it doesn't matter if they are the best workers on the planet, where the fuck are we going to house them all? Where are the jobs coming from? What about the next generation of British kids? Don't we need to be putting their housing and employment needs first? And how will the NHS cope?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

The problem as I see it is that noone is giving the British electorate the necessary information on which to make a judged and balanced decision.

All the British public are treated to is a series of negative sound bites designed to instil fear rather than discussion.

A good example is the proposal by Call me Dave, Ozzy Osborne and the CBI that should we leave the EU a million British jobs would be lost.

Getting back to the question put I would state that neither this government nor the previous government have any idea about the number of nett immigrants entering our country.

As long as the UK has an open door to all immigrants it is only a matter of time before these murderous barbarians, if they haven't done so already continue their slaughter in our country.

We must leave the EC if for no other reason than to protect our citizens.

* EU

(anyone would think you're living in the 70s

)

It's well documented that at least 2 of the Paris attackers last year had travelled from Syria posing as refugees. They we rescued from a sinking boat full of refugees, and taken to the Isle of Lesbos in Greece. From there they got a ferry to mainland Greece and then travelled through the border free schengen zones up into France where they carried out the attacks in Paris. This is well documented by the various police and immigration authorities in the various countries they passed through. All these details were released to the mainstream news and media.

Free movement of people in EU and border free Schengen area is undoubtedly helping the terrorists complete their objectives. Some of these refugees could be isis sleeper cells who could settle in EUROPEAN countries then once they get EU citizenship and an EU passport they will be free to come to the UK under EU free movement of people rules. The threat is very real we need to get out of the EU to stop free movement of people into Britain from the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The problem as I see it is that noone is giving the British electorate the necessary information on which to make a judged and balanced decision.

All the British public are treated to is a series of negative sound bites designed to instil fear rather than discussion.

A good example is the proposal by Call me Dave, Ozzy Osborne and the CBI that should we leave the EU a million British jobs would be lost.

Getting back to the question put I would state that neither this government nor the previous government have any idea about the number of nett immigrants entering our country.

As long as the UK has an open door to all immigrants it is only a matter of time before these murderous barbarians, if they haven't done so already continue their slaughter in our country.

We must leave the EC if for no other reason than to protect our citizens.

* EU

(anyone would think you're living in the 70s

)

How's that going to work? Are you going to ban people with EU passports entering the UK if there's a vote to leave the EU? No tourism? No people entering to work on farms? No one allowed to travel on business?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's your link between immigration and terrorism.

We need to get out of the EU so that we can control who we let into our country because despite what the pro-EU brigade says, we can't say who and how many comes into the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's your link between immigration and terrorism.

We need to get out of the EU so that we can control who we let into our country because despite what the pro-EU brigade says, we can't say who and how many comes into the UK."

The same question applies. How are you going to stop them coming in as tourists? Or with Indian or Pakistani passports and a visa?

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"There's your link between immigration and terrorism.

We need to get out of the EU so that we can control who we let into our country because despite what the pro-EU brigade says, we can't say who and how many comes into the UK."

It's also well documented that all the terrorists were EU nationals and the passport story was debunked within days of the attack.

We also live on an island, you can't just slip across a border into the UK.

And if you think getting in and out of the UK is easy, you obviously haven't been in and out of the UK recently!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

And don't ever try and prove a hypothesis where your sample population is 9, the selection process is open to accusations of bias and has no control group.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?

Why would we want to set a quota?

There won't be a great rush anyway .

( pity though, they are great workers; ask Mercedes, BMW and VW about that )

Won't be a rush. Give me strength! The words, on your marks, get set, GO! Spring to mind. Won't be a rush. Fucks sake!

Your wasting your time asking that question!

They won't give you an answer, there'll tell you everything will be fine, that hardly anybody will come here!!, that there's loads of land, plenty of school places and your hospitals will be just dandy.

There'll tell you that we need these immigration levels to do the jobs that "we" won't do!... Of course it's all bullshit.

There is no land just sat doing nothing waiting for houses to be built, it's nonsense, sure there's plenty of farm land and hell yeah there'll plough some of that over for it while the moneys good but that just means we'll have less land to grow food and they'll say that's OK "we" can just import it, hell why not we import everything else and our balance of trade is shit anyhow,so sure let's whack a load more imports on it, let's build billions of pounds worth of schools and hospitals and roads to for the extra immigration, sure let's plough under some more farm land. But then what if in ten years the 6 or 7 million immigrants all bugger off to a country paying them more!, what do you do with all them hospitals and schools you've built ...mmm Tricky, of course that's why there not going to build any extra there just going to squeeze us all in tighter and tighter.

And all this because we need "somebody" to jobs that pay very little or not enough to live on, I mean it pays enough if you live 5 to a room and send the 3 quid home to a country that has a tenth of the cost of here! But paying British people enough to make a living picking strawberries or cleaning hospital floors.... It's impossible I tell yer!! We absolutely need immigration to fill these jobs, despite having one and a half million unemployed!

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

Jesus, between your imaginary fear of terrorists on every corner, and immigrants everywhere you look, you must be terrified to leave the house!

It's no wonder you can't accommodate OR travel!

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Jesus, between your imaginary fear of terrorists on every corner, and immigrants everywhere you look, you must be terrified to leave the house!

It's no wonder you can't accommodate OR travel!"

That is rather amusing

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

One would imagine that if you close their routes in, they'd just step up their cultivation of home grown terrorists anyway. This aint going away anytime soon.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?"

it's okay to admit you were wrong on your first diatribe....

but this is an interesting change of tack...

turkey won't be joining the EU for quite a while anyway (greece and cyprus will see to that) and if they were to join all of the things agreed at the EU renogiation would have kicked in anyway so for example no benefits of any sort for 4 years....

so it would be pretty stupid coming to country where they have no support if they have no job....

p.s besides turks tend to want to go to germany anyway....

much bigger turkish population living in germany than there is in the UK.......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jesus, between your imaginary fear of terrorists on every corner, and immigrants everywhere you look, you must be terrified to leave the house!

It's no wonder you can't accommodate OR travel!"
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Who me!...

Firstly I'm not Jesus but I do bear a resemblance... Yeah he got crucified in the end as well

Secondly,I never mentioned anything about terrorists on every corner?.

Thirdly, if your not looking to meet, then your not willing to travel or accommodate!!.

Fourthly, when you attack the messenger and not the message, it makes you look like a bit of a twonk to be honest!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In light of the Brussels attacks this morning, and of course the looming decision of the Brexit, I'm curious as to whether these attacks may have swayed your opinion on whether you're in or out.

Me personally I'd like to be out as I don't feel Brussels should have control over us, and would prefer to be under our own laws.

We should have harsher immigration laws and screening to prevent tragedies like this occurring in the UK."

always wanted out of EU and always will

I will be voting for Exit, regardless of what happens between now and the vote

regardless of what lies are told

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By *ust_for_laughsCouple over a year ago

Hinckley

"Jesus, between your imaginary fear of terrorists on every corner, and immigrants everywhere you look, you must be terrified to leave the house!

It's no wonder you can't accommodate OR travel!.

Who me!...

Firstly I'm not Jesus but I do bear a resemblance... Yeah he got crucified in the end as well

Secondly,I never mentioned anything about terrorists on every corner?.

Thirdly, if your not looking to meet, then your not willing to travel or accommodate!!.

Fourthly, when you attack the messenger and not the message, it makes you look like a bit of a twonk to be honest!"

Pretty much every post of yours in this thread has been based on a seemingly irrational fear of immigrants taking over your life or terrorists ending it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Out of interest, what are people basing their decisions on? Purely economics? Immigration issues? The ramifications of how it might affect the HRA/Equality Act? Other factors?

Personally all of the above and more, which is why I want out, him"

Strange thing is all of the above is why I want in.

Economics, its not easy to say, but on the whole the personal wealth of most citizens is much higher than it was in the 60's so that is sucessful.

Immigration, This s mostly poised chalice, we do need to change our ways a bit to a contribution based benefits scheme. Though that can be time served style, which would prevent migrant workers getting benefits from day one. But the biggest issues I see are from non EU economic migrants so in or out wouldn't change that at all.

Human rights, our government are against 48 hour working week, and many other rights that I am in favour of so I prefer the oversight of human rights to be broader than the PM of the day.

Other factors, I like being able to travel freely through Europe. with mostly standardised road signs.

I like a vote on product spec. e.g. when BMW tried to get motorcycles restricted to favour them over Triumph we could argue and won, if we were outside the EU we would have no voice, but the manufacturers would build to EU spec. as they want the market.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jesus, between your imaginary fear of terrorists on every corner, and immigrants everywhere you look, you must be terrified to leave the house!

It's no wonder you can't accommodate OR travel!.

Who me!...

Firstly I'm not Jesus but I do bear a resemblance... Yeah he got crucified in the end as well

Secondly,I never mentioned anything about terrorists on every corner?.

Thirdly, if your not looking to meet, then your not willing to travel or accommodate!!.

Fourthly, when you attack the messenger and not the message, it makes you look like a bit of a twonk to be honest!

Pretty much every post of yours in this thread has been based on a seemingly irrational fear of immigrants taking over your life or terrorists ending it!"
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Has it, I hadn't realised, maybe you could point one out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?

Why would we want to set a quota?

There won't be a great rush anyway .

( pity though, they are great workers; ask Mercedes, BMW and VW about that )

Won't be a rush. Give me strength! The words, on your marks, get set, GO! Spring to mind. Won't be a rush. Fucks sake!

Your wasting your time asking that question!

There'll tell you that we need these immigration levels to do the jobs that "we" won't do!... Of course it's all bullshit.

You need to make your mind up about which scare tactic you're going to use. Are the 7 million going to bugger off and leave us with too many hospitals and schools? Or are we going to be flooded with Turkish immigrants who'll fill them up and leave us with nothing for pure born brits?

If you're going to scaremonger you could at least try to be consistent.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyone knows that the EU are waiting until after the vote until they make any decisions on quotas in regards to the millions of illegal immigrants flooding into Europe. If we vote to stay in then they will start imposing quotas. Everyone knows they're not doing it before the vote because we'd vote to get out which is why they are waiting. As for Cyprus not allowing Turkey to join, that's a done deal. Cyprus and Turkey have already agreed to this in meetings held in the last week or so. As for being scared of terrorists, maybe the recent atacks in Paris and Brussels give us the right to fear them.

I really don't understand why people try to talk down to us about immigration, like we have no right to worry about the break down of our communities and mass influx of foreigners who don't speak the language, don't integrate into society and are mostly unskilled. No doubt they'll reply telling us how they are all brain surgeons and top level business people. Why do people lie about the dangers of immigration? Are they just too liberal to care about their country? Do people that tell these lies not love their country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

wow this still going, we got two months of this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?

Why would we want to set a quota?

There won't be a great rush anyway .

( pity though, they are great workers; ask Mercedes, BMW and VW about that )

Won't be a rush. Give me strength! The words, on your marks, get set, GO! Spring to mind. Won't be a rush. Fucks sake!

Your wasting your time asking that question!

There'll tell you that we need these immigration levels to do the jobs that "we" won't do!... Of course it's all bullshit.

If you're going to scaremonger you could at least try to be consistent."
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I'm not scaremongering, it's called continuity in business, you know that, your a successful guy, businesses need to know what the long term is.

The trouble with unlimited movement is you'll never know what the population will be in any ten year period could be 10% more like now, could be 20% more if/when turkey join, could be 10% less if we drop back into a hard recession.... So who would spend billions and billions on unknowns, nobody, certainly not any Tories, maybe labour but that's because they love wasting money

So they won't provide any extra, there'll just squeeze the shit out of what we've got till it bursts.

What I dislike about you, is the language that you cleverly use to make people sound like there saying something they aren't,... I never mentioned anything to do with "pure born brits"

Your a bright guy with a bad attitude, which is a shame as it really stops me wishing to have any debate with you, but then I suspect that's what you really want anyhow!.. Your like the ultimate leftist dictator, you really do your utmost best to belittle and demean anybody else's point of view!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jesus, between your imaginary fear of terrorists on every corner, and immigrants everywhere you look, you must be terrified to leave the house!

It's no wonder you can't accommodate OR travel!.

Who me!...

Firstly I'm not Jesus but I do bear a resemblance... Yeah he got crucified in the end as well

Secondly,I never mentioned anything about terrorists on every corner?.

Thirdly, if your not looking to meet, then your not willing to travel or accommodate!!.

Fourthly, when you attack the messenger and not the message, it makes you look like a bit of a twonk to be honest!

Pretty much every post of yours in this thread has been based on a seemingly irrational fear of immigrants taking over your life or terrorists ending it!"

Nearly 200 people have been killed in recent terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels. There are at present between 500 and a 1000 people going to Syria every week to join IS. The experts on the TV tell us that as IS get squeezed out in Syria, the number of terrorist attacks will increase. In light of all that, your condescending tone is uncalled for.

The anti-terrorist expert also says that sleeper cells are being sent into Europe amongst the flood of illegal immigrants. There's your correlation between immigration and terrorism.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Everyone knows that the EU are waiting until after the vote until they make any decisions on quotas in regards to the millions of illegal immigrants flooding into Europe. If we vote to stay in then they will start imposing quotas. Everyone knows they're not doing it before the vote because we'd vote to get out which is why they are waiting. "

oh dear....

just what part of "the UK have an Opt out and are not part of this quota system" the first time people mentioned it didn't quite go in.....

seriously..... just admit you are wrong on this....

go on......

it is cathartic...

no one will think any less of you.... well, okay, that last one isn't true.... but if you are going to rant on a topic, as least know the subject matter!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That depends if the attacker had entered the country amongst the immigrants that the UK was forced to take in as part of arbitrary quotas imposed on us by the European Council.

Oh, you mean that quota which UK has opted out of?

Will we be able to set a quota of how many Turkish citizens we want to allow into the UK when Turkey joins the EU? Or will we have no say on the numbers we must allow in?

Why would we want to set a quota?

There won't be a great rush anyway .

( pity though, they are great workers; ask Mercedes, BMW and VW about that )

Won't be a rush. Give me strength! The words, on your marks, get set, GO! Spring to mind. Won't be a rush. Fucks sake!

Your wasting your time asking that question!

There'll tell you that we need these immigration levels to do the jobs that "we" won't do!... Of course it's all bullshit.

If you're going to scaremonger you could at least try to be consistent..

I'm not scaremongering, it's called continuity in business, you know that, your a successful guy, businesses need to know what the long term is.

So they won't provide any extra, there'll just squeeze the shit out of what we've got till it bursts.

What I dislike about you, is the language that you cleverly use to make people sound like there saying something they aren't,... I never mentioned anything to do with "pure born brits"

How sweet of you to say so. You of course never do anything like that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Back to the op's original point about harsher immigration laws. I still haven't heard from anyone how tightening up on freedom of movement of labour is going to do anything about the 30 million plus tourist visitors each year. Or do terrorists only infiltrate under the guise of seeking low paid work?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What I dislike about you, is the language that you cleverly use to make people sound like there saying something they aren't,... I never mentioned anything to do with "pure born brits"

How sweet of you to say so. You of course never do anything like that.

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Well like I said to the other guy, if you've found me doing that point it out, he never got back to me either!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

oh dear....

just what part of "the UK have an Opt out and are not part of this quota system" the first time people mentioned it didn't quite go in.....

seriously..... just admit you are wrong on this....

go on......

it is cathartic...

no one will think any less of you.... well, okay, that last one isn't true.... but if you are going to rant on a topic, as least know the subject matter!!!

When you attack the messenger and not the message you've lost the argument.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Are you saying that if we stay in the EU we shall never have to take in a quota of the immigrants coming into Europe? Is that what you're trying to say?

Luckily most people in the UK haven't bought into that lie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What I dislike about you, is the language that you cleverly use to make people sound like there saying something they aren't,... I never mentioned anything to do with "pure born brits"

How sweet of you to say so. You of course never do anything like that.

Well like I said to the other guy, if you've found me doing that point it out, he never got back to me either!"

I'm in no rush but thanks for the invitation. I'll get back to you when I feel like it. I don't why you lot with the right wing agenda think you have the right to dictate the pace of discussion as well as the content.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Back to the op's original point about harsher immigration laws. I still haven't heard from anyone how tightening up on freedom of movement of labour is going to do anything about the 30 million plus tourist visitors each year. Or do terrorists only infiltrate under the guise of seeking low paid work?"

All this fear over homeless war traumatised refugees, many made that way by UK supplied guns and bombs. while the oil rich terrorist organisations are well able to fly in troops first class in Ermenegildo Zenga suits if they wish.

Terrorists are not new, if you grew up in the UK between 1916 and 1985ish then the home grown version was much more of a risk. The UK had about 10 years of no home issues but anyone who travelled had hijack risk and other terrorist's at many destinatons around the world.

So they are a non issue in this vote. No matter how the vote goes we still need to help the refugees, that's humanitarianism not politics.

Finally our borders are not open, we have immigration officers at every port, they can't be 100% effective, but they can be pretty good most of the time.

Sort out our benefits and health care wording and we would achieve nirvana like state without a single change in actual systems.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

". Are you saying that if we stay in the EU we shall never have to take in a quota of the immigrants coming into Europe? Is that what you're trying to say?

Luckily most people in the UK haven't bought into that lie."

by golly i think you finally have it.... as the UK have a legally binding OPT OUT ON THIS LEGISLATION..........

did it go in this time..... did it??? really??? in????

shame this is post 175.. and we don't get to continue with this discussion... as i was so looking forward to you admitting you were wrong.....

but thanks for playing........

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thats part of politics

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

oh dear....

just what part of "the UK have an Opt out and are not part of this quota system" the first time people mentioned it didn't quite go in.....

seriously..... just admit you are wrong on this....

go on......

it is cathartic...

no one will think any less of you.... well, okay, that last one isn't true.... but if you are going to rant on a topic, as least know the subject matter!!!

LOL!! You must think we're all stupid if you think we won't have to take in any of those immigrants. The eu will make us one way or another. I tell my 5 yo daughter fairystories so I

Know one when I hear one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What I dislike about you, is the language that you cleverly use to make people sound like there saying something they aren't,... I never mentioned anything to do with "pure born brits"

How sweet of you to say so. You of course never do anything like that.

Well like I said to the other guy, if you've found me doing that point it out, he never got back to me either!

I'm in no rush... I'm neither racist nor xenophobic nor have I got a "right wing agenda"... But keep on with the hidden suggestions in your writing, it makes me chuckle.

Although I'm unlikely to get into a tit for tat personal insult battle with you as we all see how you debate centaur and now you've lost your mate chalk,I certainly won't be filling his boots... so you'd be better off just moving along to your next victim!

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