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over a year ago
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"Anybody used them?
Whats your expedience with them been like?"
A "quickie" divorce is a term used by the media and has no meaning.
If you have grounds and those grounds are not contested and arrangements for any children are agreed then it will not be a long-winded affair. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's just the name of the company they don't claim to divorce you over night 
I've been in touch with them and had all the paper work read all the terms just wondered if anybody had had any experience with them that's all |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce."
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it"
Um, that's not actually true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just make sure any paperwork is sent recorded delivery and the court's don't lose your paperwork like they did mine. Should have been a straight forward in and out divorce, nooo, still bloody married and waiting for the damn paperwork to be sorted   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I used them for my first divorce (Young and stupid) provided there's no real animosity and it's something you both want over quickly they're very efficient and cheap. Just make sure you get a "break clean" agreement so your pension etc is safe in the future. or just try to marry someone that you actually like  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I did a DIY divorce through the court in 2010. It cost £440 back then, and was over and done in weeks, as it was amicable. Not sure if that is what you mean |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why not just separate and go your separate ways ...I don't understand the need to divorce and create more expense ?"
Because as it stands at the moment if anything happens to me he's still my next of kin so if I die he gets all my life insurance and I'm still liable to pay his debts if he dies |
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce."
I did mine myself 4 months from start to finish - If no property or finances it's really simple & we sorted all that 1st. Just cost the court fee which I think is now £450. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
Um, that's not actually true. "
I'll tell my solicitor he's talking bollocks then |
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"Why not just separate and go your separate ways ...I don't understand the need to divorce and create more expense ?
Because as it stands at the moment if anything happens to me he's still my next of kin so if I die he gets all my life insurance and I'm still liable to pay his debts if he dies "
You are not liable for his debt (I'm a debt collector) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I used them for my first divorce (Young and stupid) provided there's no real animosity and it's something you both want over quickly they're very efficient and cheap. Just make sure you get a "break clean" agreement so your pension etc is safe in the future. or just try to marry someone that you actually like "
Yeah I've paid extra for the clean break option seemed worth the extra |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why not just separate and go your separate ways ...I don't understand the need to divorce and create more expense ?
Because as it stands at the moment if anything happens to me he's still my next of kin so if I die he gets all my life insurance and I'm still liable to pay his debts if he dies
You are not liable for his debt (I'm a debt collector) "
According to my solicitor I am
Why wouldn't I be if we are still legally married? |
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My ex got the forms, we filled them in and split the cost and a few weeks later the divorce came through, we had been separated for 5 years though and didnt have anything to split between us etc so it was very easy  |
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"Why not just separate and go your separate ways ...I don't understand the need to divorce and create more expense ?"
Why would you want to stay married to someone for the rest of your life if you're not with them,you may want to remarry. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
I did mine myself 4 months from start to finish - If no property or finances it's really simple & we sorted all that 1st. Just cost the court fee which I think is now £450. "
It's £550 I've just paid them
Depends on your earnings though. £550 is the maximum you can get help if your on low income if your on less that £19000 a year and have dependents you don't pay them apparently |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are various things to factor in how long it takes, one being that divorce has recently been centralised to certain courts and it seems to be taking a lot longer for things to be processed.
Paperwork has to be received by the court, checked, put on a computer, sent to the respondent. They have to return the acknowledgement agreeing to it, the petitioner is sent more forms to complete and return to the court, it's then referred to a judge. If a judge is happy it will be listed for a decree nisi, and then 6 weeks later the petitioner can apply for the absolute.
In an ideal world this would be done quickly and efficiently but this isn't always the case. |
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
Um, that's not actually true.
I'll tell my solicitor he's talking bollocks then "
He's not talking bollocks if you have a very efficient County Court divorce section. A lot of divorce sections are being amalgamated resulting in increased times. Also, nisi & absolute hearings (judge reads out list of names) are dealt with on set days so it depends on when you file etc...
My friend did the same as me but hers took 6 months not 4 purely down to hearing dates. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"My ex got the forms, we filled them in and split the cost and a few weeks later the divorce came through, we had been separated for 5 years though and didnt have anything to split between us etc so it was very easy "
We have been split for 7 years because of this I've been told he can't contest it and it won't take more than 12 weeks |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Unless it's a joint agreement the debt dies with you ...married or not ...barclaycard tried this on me but because the loan was only in his name they couldn't do it"
I'm more bothered about my money than his to be honest
If I die I don't want everything to go to him, I've got life insurance so my kids aren't burdened with expence of my funeral but as it lays at the moment if I die the pay out goes to him as he's still legally my next of kin so my kids will get nothing and have nothing to cover the cost of my funeral
That's all I'm worried about |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just write a will then "
It don't work like that you can't write in your will who you want the check for your life insurance to be paid to, wills just cover what you own |
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"Just write a will then
It don't work like that you can't write in your will who you want the check for your life insurance to be paid to, wills just cover what you own"
You've just reminded me he's still named as my beneficiary for works pension!! That'll be changed tomorrow!! |
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"My ex got the forms, we filled them in and split the cost and a few weeks later the divorce came through, we had been separated for 5 years though and didnt have anything to split between us etc so it was very easy
We have been split for 7 years because of this I've been told he can't contest it and it won't take more than 12 weeks"
Go for it |
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"Just write a will then
It don't work like that you can't write in your will who you want the check for your life insurance to be paid to, wills just cover what you own
You've just reminded me he's still named as my beneficiary for works pension!! That'll be changed tomorrow!! "
I changed mine to my boys |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just write a will then
It don't work like that you can't write in your will who you want the check for your life insurance to be paid to, wills just cover what you own"
Most life insurance companies permit you to nominate the beneficiary. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Yes you can ....if you have 2 children you can name one and write the other out ...it has been done in court"
Maybe through court, I haven't looked into that but if I've got to pay for a court to name my child I may as well just get divorced |
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"Yes you can ....if you have 2 children you can name one and write the other out ...it has been done in court
Maybe through court, I haven't looked into that but if I've got to pay for a court to name my child I may as well just get divorced "
I would - get it over & done with as the court fee will only ever go up!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can't wait for the paperwork on mine to come through!! Although I'm expecting weeks and weeks, he's filed and as far as I know he gets it reduced as he's on benefits, so I assume it would get pushed to the back of the queue, still it's started that's all I care about
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You probably don't understand why I went through court to get custody of 2 children who aren't biologically mine ...luckily the judge did and I won"
I meant by my comment. If you can afford to get married in the first place surely you can afford the divorce if it's just the court fees.
You wouldn't ask for financial support to get married |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You probably don't understand why I went through court to get custody of 2 children who aren't biologically mine ...luckily the judge did and I won
I meant by my comment. If you can afford to get married in the first place surely you can afford the divorce if it's just the court fees.
You wouldn't ask for financial support to get married "
You don't ask for it you just get it
I've just paid mine today, they asked about my earnings and told me if I earned under £19,000 I wouldn't have to pay the court fees
If I was eligible for help id have taken it, I refuse to believe anybody would say "well actually I do earn under £19,000 but it's OK I'll pay the fees anyway"
They just ask you about your income and tell you what your entitled to |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Anybody used them?
Whats your expedience with them been like?"
Mine was the easiest ever. I downloaded the forms, filled them in. She signed them, I signed them. Took them to the court and paid on my card. £350. Done.
If you want it easy (and if both parties agree) cite adultery after separation with an unnamed co-respondant as the reason. Perfectly valid and stops anyone else getting dragged into things. |
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I done the same ....we were talking hundreds an hour and I brought it to court privately ...we were asked 'is this irrecoverable. ..have you been to mediators' to which we answered yes ...less than £200 to initiate the court proceedings |
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It's separated from the business accounts for the eventuality of someone dying etc on you ...we had this happen to us after just transferring £120 grand off a house sale to a solicitor on the day papers should have transferred. ..we were protected by the client account |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can't wait for the paperwork on mine to come through!! Although I'm expecting weeks and weeks, he's filed and as far as I know he gets it reduced as he's on benefits, so I assume it would get pushed to the back of the queue, still it's started that's all I care about
G x"
All divorces are treated the same, doesn't matter if it's paid for or fees exempt. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You probably don't understand why I went through court to get custody of 2 children who aren't biologically mine ...luckily the judge did and I won
I meant by my comment. If you can afford to get married in the first place surely you can afford the divorce if it's just the court fees.
You wouldn't ask for financial support to get married
You don't ask for it you just get it
I've just paid mine today, they asked about my earnings and told me if I earned under £19,000 I wouldn't have to pay the court fees
If I was eligible for help id have taken it, I refuse to believe anybody would say "well actually I do earn under £19,000 but it's OK I'll pay the fees anyway"
They just ask you about your income and tell you what your entitled to"
You do have to ask to be exempt from paying the court fee. There is an actual form to complete. It's not just given automatically. |
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By *jj46Man
over a year ago
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"Why not just separate and go your separate ways ...I don't understand the need to divorce and create more expense ?"
I wish it was that easy both of are names are on the mortgage no contribution from her towards costs and no way I'm going to buy her out but got plan b which hope works |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why not just separate and go your separate ways ...I don't understand the need to divorce and create more expense ?"
separation does not legally separate you...what if you inherite money or property... Your ex can make a claim for half ownership.....what if you have no will and you are separated....they may inherit and it may not be as you wish...!!!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You probably don't understand why I went through court to get custody of 2 children who aren't biologically mine ...luckily the judge did and I won
I meant by my comment. If you can afford to get married in the first place surely you can afford the divorce if it's just the court fees.
You wouldn't ask for financial support to get married
You don't ask for it you just get it
I've just paid mine today, they asked about my earnings and told me if I earned under £19,000 I wouldn't have to pay the court fees
If I was eligible for help id have taken it, I refuse to believe anybody would say "well actually I do earn under £19,000 but it's OK I'll pay the fees anyway"
They just ask you about your income and tell you what your entitled to
You do have to ask to be exempt from paying the court fee. There is an actual form to complete. It's not just given automatically. "
I'm sure there is a form if you qualify for help I never said other wise
I never mentioned financial help but they asked me my income to see if I qualify that's all ment, I just ment the offer was given without me asking of course you have to prove your income and fill forms we'd all be saying we're on under £19,000 if they just took our word for it
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it"
It takes much longer than that.
Budget for six months. At least. My partner started the process last September and still isn't there yet - and both parties are agreeing to the divorce and doing the paperwork as quickly as possible.
The paperwork is easy enough to do. You don't need a company to fill it out for you. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Jess wept ...I thought everyone had a Client account ?"
They probably have, he only said they are unlikely to have one based on the fact they aren't solicitor they does not mean they haven't
Saying that they may not |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Going through one now, uncontested, £410 and somewhere between 9 & 12 weeks from submitting paperwork to decree absolute.
Ever so slightly scary!!!
Good luck with it, hope it's as amicable as mine has been so far! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
It takes much longer than that.
Budget for six months. At least. My partner started the process last September and still isn't there yet - and both parties are agreeing to the divorce and doing the paperwork as quickly as possible.
The paperwork is easy enough to do. You don't need a company to fill it out for you."
Yeah I was told to look at about 5 to 6 month but told it could go through as quick as 3 if both parties agree
I'm not that bothered about the time to be fair, 6 months is fine if it takes a year that's also fine (so long as I don't die within that time) I just wondered if anybody had had any dealings with them that's all
Seems nobody has though |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Going through one now, uncontested, £410 and somewhere between 9 & 12 weeks from submitting paperwork to decree absolute.
Ever so slightly scary!!!
Good luck with it, hope it's as amicable as mine has been so far!"
How far into are you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
It takes much longer than that.
Budget for six months. At least. My partner started the process last September and still isn't there yet - and both parties are agreeing to the divorce and doing the paperwork as quickly as possible.
The paperwork is easy enough to do. You don't need a company to fill it out for you.
Yeah I was told to look at about 5 to 6 month but told it could go through as quick as 3 if both parties agree
I'm not that bothered about the time to be fair, 6 months is fine if it takes a year that's also fine (so long as I don't die within that time) I just wondered if anybody had had any dealings with them that's all
Seems nobody has though "
I wouldn't bother. I did most of the paperwork for my partner and his wife (he's heavily dyslexic) and to be honest it was dead easy. I don't see why you'd want to get someone else to fill in the paperwork. Just download it from the website and off you go. |
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By *jj46Man
over a year ago
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"but as you are both named on the mortgage neither one can sell without the others permission ...I'm not understanding the risk factor? "
I know but don't want to sell the property it plus doing repairs on the property and no contribution from her towards mortgage and she knows it's in negative equity .
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
It takes much longer than that.
Budget for six months. At least. My partner started the process last September and still isn't there yet - and both parties are agreeing to the divorce and doing the paperwork as quickly as possible.
The paperwork is easy enough to do. You don't need a company to fill it out for you.
Yeah I was told to look at about 5 to 6 month but told it could go through as quick as 3 if both parties agree
I'm not that bothered about the time to be fair, 6 months is fine if it takes a year that's also fine (so long as I don't die within that time) I just wondered if anybody had had any dealings with them that's all
Seems nobody has though
I wouldn't bother. I did most of the paperwork for my partner and his wife (he's heavily dyslexic) and to be honest it was dead easy. I don't see why you'd want to get someone else to fill in the paperwork. Just download it from the website and off you go."
Huh I'm lost
I haven't paid anybody to fill the paper work out  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
Um, that's not actually true. "
It is true, I was divorced from ex husband in 12 weeks, everything was amicable and that was with us having kids together as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
Um, that's not actually true.
It is true, I was divorced from ex husband in 12 weeks, everything was amicable and that was with us having kids together as well."
How long ago was this? Some are lucky and it goes through quickly, but some can take ages through no fault of anybody. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I completed the forms online and did it myself ..... Yes completed in 12 weeks
Will pm you link if you want it "
Friend of mine sorted and represented herself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee."
I've already paid it
They just send the paperwork out, I've got to fill it in and send it back, they do all the court work and everything, literally all I have to do is fill in the forms and send it back
I've paid a bit extra for them doing all the work but I don't care about that I'd sooner pay somebody to save me the hassle, I work 12 hour shifts on a 7 day rolling rota I really can't be bothered messing about with courts etc
Call me lazy |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee."
The court fee is now £550 |
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"Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee.
I've already paid it
They just send the paperwork out, I've got to fill it in and send it back, they do all the court work and everything, literally all I have to do is fill in the forms and send it back
I've paid a bit extra for them doing all the work but I don't care about that I'd sooner pay somebody to save me the hassle, I work 12 hour shifts on a 7 day rolling rota I really can't be bothered messing about with courts etc
Call me lazy "
So you're paying them money to basically send the forms in the post to the court. You could do that yourself for the price of a 1st class stamp |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee.
I've already paid it
They just send the paperwork out, I've got to fill it in and send it back, they do all the court work and everything, literally all I have to do is fill in the forms and send it back
I've paid a bit extra for them doing all the work but I don't care about that I'd sooner pay somebody to save me the hassle, I work 12 hour shifts on a 7 day rolling rota I really can't be bothered messing about with courts etc
Call me lazy
So you're paying them money to basically send the forms in the post to the court. You could do that yourself for the price of a 1st class stamp "
Well they check it over and everything first
I'm shit with forms I was actually considering paying them to fill it in but I though nah that's taking the piss
Look I've never done this before and unlike most on here I'm not perfect I will no doubt do many fuck ups and no doubt there will be better and cheaper ways than I'm doing it but hey we learn by our mistakes
That's why I was asking if anybody else had had dealings with them but as usual everybodies to busy telling me where I went wrong |
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"Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee.
I've already paid it
They just send the paperwork out, I've got to fill it in and send it back, they do all the court work and everything, literally all I have to do is fill in the forms and send it back
I've paid a bit extra for them doing all the work but I don't care about that I'd sooner pay somebody to save me the hassle, I work 12 hour shifts on a 7 day rolling rota I really can't be bothered messing about with courts etc
Call me lazy
So you're paying them money to basically send the forms in the post to the court. You could do that yourself for the price of a 1st class stamp
Well they check it over and everything first
I'm shit with forms I was actually considering paying them to fill it in but I though nah that's taking the piss
Look I've never done this before and unlike most on here I'm not perfect I will no doubt do many fuck ups and no doubt there will be better and cheaper ways than I'm doing it but hey we learn by our mistakes
That's why I was asking if anybody else had had dealings with them but as usual everybodies to busy telling me where I went wrong "
I'd have checked them for free |
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I completed all divorce paperwork myself no solicitors involved other than one of those free advice for 20 mins so I could ask legalities re children and assets.
Its pretty easy to do yourself if there isn't any arguments over assets and childcare etc
Jayne xx
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over a year ago
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Just out of interest seeing as everybody keeps telling me you don't need a divorce company or a solicitor etc you can do it all yourself just pay the courts, where do you get the paper work from? Because I looked about and I couldn't find anybody that was giving it away for free the cheapest I found was £37 just to send you the relevant documents out? |
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It's like my no-one uses the passport form checker at the post office. ..if there were signs in the post office 'avoid this charge ...just log onto fabswingers and someone will do it free off charge' maybe the service would cease to exist |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
It takes much longer than that.
Budget for six months. At least. My partner started the process last September and still isn't there yet - and both parties are agreeing to the divorce and doing the paperwork as quickly as possible.
The paperwork is easy enough to do. You don't need a company to fill it out for you.
Yeah I was told to look at about 5 to 6 month but told it could go through as quick as 3 if both parties agree
I'm not that bothered about the time to be fair, 6 months is fine if it takes a year that's also fine (so long as I don't die within that time) I just wondered if anybody had had any dealings with them that's all
Seems nobody has though
I wouldn't bother. I did most of the paperwork for my partner and his wife (he's heavily dyslexic) and to be honest it was dead easy. I don't see why you'd want to get someone else to fill in the paperwork. Just download it from the website and off you go.
Huh I'm lost
I haven't paid anybody to fill the paper work out "
I'm unsure what you're paying them for then. There's literally nothing else to do other than fill in the paperwork and send the money. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"Just out of interest seeing as everybody keeps telling me you don't need a divorce company or a solicitor etc you can do it all yourself just pay the courts, where do you get the paper work from? Because I looked about and I couldn't find anybody that was giving it away for free the cheapest I found was £37 just to send you the relevant documents out?"
If you mean the court forms, you should be able to download them free from the government website, I think.
http://hmctsformfinder.justice.gov.uk/HMCTS/GetForm.do?court_forms_id=1115 |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
Somewhere in North Norfolk |
"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
It takes much longer than that.
Budget for six months. At least. My partner started the process last September and still isn't there yet - and both parties are agreeing to the divorce and doing the paperwork as quickly as possible.
The paperwork is easy enough to do. You don't need a company to fill it out for you.
Yeah I was told to look at about 5 to 6 month but told it could go through as quick as 3 if both parties agree
I'm not that bothered about the time to be fair, 6 months is fine if it takes a year that's also fine (so long as I don't die within that time) I just wondered if anybody had had any dealings with them that's all
Seems nobody has though
I wouldn't bother. I did most of the paperwork for my partner and his wife (he's heavily dyslexic) and to be honest it was dead easy. I don't see why you'd want to get someone else to fill in the paperwork. Just download it from the website and off you go.
Huh I'm lost
I haven't paid anybody to fill the paper work out
I'm unsure what you're paying them for then. There's literally nothing else to do other than fill in the paperwork and send the money."
It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
For people who don't want the hassle of working out what forms they need and finding them individually and what have you, paying for a pack which supplies everything, including guidance on completion, in one download, might well seem worth it. I can understand why some people would pay for that.
I'm thankful I've never had to deal with any of this and know almost nothing about it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unless you specifically want to get married again don't worry about it
You are a woman you know your ex 's new woman won't like him being still married to you , leave it long enough and she will force him to pay . Especially if you leave your Facebook status as still married |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just out of interest seeing as everybody keeps telling me you don't need a divorce company or a solicitor etc you can do it all yourself just pay the courts, where do you get the paper work from? Because I looked about and I couldn't find anybody that was giving it away for free the cheapest I found was £37 just to send you the relevant documents out?"
My ex printed them from the government website, the only thing he paid for was the ink and paper
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unless it's a joint agreement the debt dies with you ...married or not ...barclaycard tried this on me but because the loan was only in his name they couldn't do it
I'm more bothered about my money than his to be honest
If I die I don't want everything to go to him, I've got life insurance so my kids aren't burdened with expence of my funeral but as it lays at the moment if I die the pay out goes to him as he's still legally my next of kin so my kids will get nothing and have nothing to cover the cost of my funeral
That's all I'm worried about "
Write a will saying who you want your money to go to. You can buy a will from the post office for about £2 and then write it yourself, its very simple and the form gives you advice. Then you can make sure he doesnt get your money |
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"Unless it's a joint agreement the debt dies with you ...married or not ...barclaycard tried this on me but because the loan was only in his name they couldn't do it
I'm more bothered about my money than his to be honest
If I die I don't want everything to go to him, I've got life insurance so my kids aren't burdened with expence of my funeral but as it lays at the moment if I die the pay out goes to him as he's still legally my next of kin so my kids will get nothing and have nothing to cover the cost of my funeral
That's all I'm worried about
Write a will saying who you want your money to go to. You can buy a will from the post office for about £2 and then write it yourself, its very simple and the form gives you advice. Then you can make sure he doesnt get your money "
My life insurance sends me a letter each year asking if I still want my kids to get it
If I change mind I just resign the authorisation
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
It takes much longer than that.
Budget for six months. At least. My partner started the process last September and still isn't there yet - and both parties are agreeing to the divorce and doing the paperwork as quickly as possible.
The paperwork is easy enough to do. You don't need a company to fill it out for you.
Yeah I was told to look at about 5 to 6 month but told it could go through as quick as 3 if both parties agree
I'm not that bothered about the time to be fair, 6 months is fine if it takes a year that's also fine (so long as I don't die within that time) I just wondered if anybody had had any dealings with them that's all
Seems nobody has though
I wouldn't bother. I did most of the paperwork for my partner and his wife (he's heavily dyslexic) and to be honest it was dead easy. I don't see why you'd want to get someone else to fill in the paperwork. Just download it from the website and off you go.
Huh I'm lost
I haven't paid anybody to fill the paper work out
I'm unsure what you're paying them for then. There's literally nothing else to do other than fill in the paperwork and send the money.
It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
For people who don't want the hassle of working out what forms they need and finding them individually and what have you, paying for a pack which supplies everything, including guidance on completion, in one download, might well seem worth it. I can understand why some people would pay for that.
I'm thankful I've never had to deal with any of this and know almost nothing about it."
All of the main forms for the divorce suit are on the government web site, together with explanatory leaflets. In fact, once the respondent has returned the first form, the court sends you what you need together with the appropriate leaflet.
You won't be getting much more from a "quickie service" (and it certainly won't be any quicker).
If all you want is a divorce, and it is uncontested, no problem.
On the other hand, if there are unresolved financial issues or children issues, then you really could cock up your position without legal advice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Change the beneficiary on your life insurance, make a will and when you do get divorced make sure you complete a consent order.....divorce does not divorce your finances. ..a consent order does. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just out of interest seeing as everybody keeps telling me you don't need a divorce company or a solicitor etc you can do it all yourself just pay the courts, where do you get the paper work from? Because I looked about and I couldn't find anybody that was giving it away for free the cheapest I found was £37 just to send you the relevant documents out?"
I'm sure one of my friends got the forms in a well known stationary/book shop.
Sarah |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee.
The court fee is now £550 "
So its gone up by £140 in the last month weeks (that was when I checked and downloaded the forms)? |
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"Just out of interest seeing as everybody keeps telling me you don't need a divorce company or a solicitor etc you can do it all yourself just pay the courts, where do you get the paper work from? Because I looked about and I couldn't find anybody that was giving it away for free the cheapest I found was £37 just to send you the relevant documents out?
I'm sure one of my friends got the forms in a well known stationary/book shop.
Sarah "
It's on the Court website along with form EX1 which tells you the current fee.
Or you can go into any County Court & request a divorce pack |
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over a year ago
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"http://hmctsformfinder.justice.gov.uk/HMCTS/GetForm.do?court_forms_id=1115
Divorce petition
Current fee is £550.00"
The courts have a scheme where you can apply to not pay court fees
They actually have a leaflet and you can fill in the leaflet instead of paying the fee
If they don't agree to let you off court fees they give you opportunity to either pay the full ammount or take papers back till you have money |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
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"Why not just separate and go your separate ways ...I don't understand the need to divorce and create more expense ?
Because as it stands at the moment if anything happens to me he's still my next of kin so if I die he gets all my life insurance and I'm still liable to pay his debts if he dies
You are not liable for his debt (I'm a debt collector) "
Correction the court can decide that a single persons debt can be classed AS Matrimonial debt so therefore you could be liable for part of debt
In my experience in my divorce an ex had over £30 k of personal debt which was wrapped up in the settlement so in effect I paid half of the debt !
On a personal note well worth paying just to get divorce resolved & saved further costs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Going through one now, uncontested, £410 and somewhere between 9 & 12 weeks from submitting paperwork to decree absolute.
Ever so slightly scary!!!
Good luck with it, hope it's as amicable as mine has been so far!
How far into are you?"
That's all mine took. I think it even sits there for a big chunk of it in case you change your mind. Uncontested mine was 11 weeks. Then another 3 months for the decree absolute.
The only other thing I did was get a clean break order so she couldnt come back and ask for more cash (annuity/pension etc) so all that is safe.
Cost me about £1k all in.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
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Definitely worth it! Usually a flat fee. Easiest way is (if possible) agree on what is being split, then one party get it written up by a solicitor. Both parties sign, its notarised then its legal. Just make sure that any pensions/superannuities/bonuses get written in. I even had my child maintenance written in to the same document. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
Definitely worth it! Usually a flat fee. Easiest way is (if possible) agree on what is being split, then one party get it written up by a solicitor. Both parties sign, its notarised then its legal. Just make sure that any pensions/superannuities/bonuses get written in. I even had my child maintenance written in to the same document."
Not quite - but close.
You need to obtain an order from the court. It is called a consent order when done by agreement.
The rub, I am afraid, is that a judge has to make the order - and will not do so without both parties having set out their finances and the proposal being what the judge considers a fair settlement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do it yourself. If you ex doesn't contest you just pay £410 court fees and that's it. I have all the forms for mine and just saving the money for the fee."
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but court fee just went up to £550 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
Um, that's not actually true.
It is true, I was divorced from ex husband in 12 weeks, everything was amicable and that was with us having kids together as well."
Similar for me, it took us about 14 weeks as we had to wait an extra week or two for a court date, they were exceptionally busy apparently! Ex husband used a solicitor to draw up the paperwork, we'd agreed terms between us previously so I just read and signed it all. Didn't cost me anything |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
Definitely worth it! Usually a flat fee. Easiest way is (if possible) agree on what is being split, then one party get it written up by a solicitor. Both parties sign, its notarised then its legal. Just make sure that any pensions/superannuities/bonuses get written in. I even had my child maintenance written in to the same document.
Not quite - but close.
You need to obtain an order from the court. It is called a consent order when done by agreement.
The rub, I am afraid, is that a judge has to make the order - and will not do so without both parties having set out their finances and the proposal being what the judge considers a fair settlement."
Sshhhh. Dont tell the ex then...the order I had drawn up gave her 80% of the equity in my house and all the house possessions and the 11k car she had got. In return she cant have a penny out of me other than maintenance til my daughter finishes her A levels |
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It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
Definitely worth it! Usually a flat fee. Easiest way is (if possible) agree on what is being split, then one party get it written up by a solicitor. Both parties sign, its notarised then its legal. Just make sure that any pensions/superannuities/bonuses get written in. I even had my child maintenance written in to the same document.
Not quite - but close.
You need to obtain an order from the court. It is called a consent order when done by agreement.
The rub, I am afraid, is that a judge has to make the order - and will not do so without both parties having set out their finances and the proposal being what the judge considers a fair settlement.
Sshhhh. Dont tell the ex then...the order I had drawn up gave her 80% of the equity in my house and all the house possessions and the 11k car she had got. In return she cant have a penny out of me other than maintenance til my daughter finishes her A levels"
Bloody hell she landed truely on her feet there  |
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It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
Definitely worth it! Usually a flat fee. Easiest way is (if possible) agree on what is being split, then one party get it written up by a solicitor. Both parties sign, its notarised then its legal. Just make sure that any pensions/superannuities/bonuses get written in. I even had my child maintenance written in to the same document.
Not quite - but close.
You need to obtain an order from the court. It is called a consent order when done by agreement.
The rub, I am afraid, is that a judge has to make the order - and will not do so without both parties having set out their finances and the proposal being what the judge considers a fair settlement.
Sshhhh. Dont tell the ex then...the order I had drawn up gave her 80% of the equity in my house and all the house possessions and the 11k car she had got. In return she cant have a penny out of me other than maintenance til my daughter finishes her A levels"
She did very well for herself!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
Definitely worth it! Usually a flat fee. Easiest way is (if possible) agree on what is being split, then one party get it written up by a solicitor. Both parties sign, its notarised then its legal. Just make sure that any pensions/superannuities/bonuses get written in. I even had my child maintenance written in to the same document.
Not quite - but close.
You need to obtain an order from the court. It is called a consent order when done by agreement.
The rub, I am afraid, is that a judge has to make the order - and will not do so without both parties having set out their finances and the proposal being what the judge considers a fair settlement.
Sshhhh. Dont tell the ex then...the order I had drawn up gave her 80% of the equity in my house and all the house possessions and the 11k car she had got. In return she cant have a penny out of me other than maintenance til my daughter finishes her A levels"
No idea what your finances are. It might be a reasonable clean break. Presumably, the judge thought so. |
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"Unless it's a joint agreement the debt dies with you ...married or not ...barclaycard tried this on me but because the loan was only in his name they couldn't do it
I'm more bothered about my money than his to be honest
If I die I don't want everything to go to him, I've got life insurance so my kids aren't burdened with expence of my funeral but as it lays at the moment if I die the pay out goes to him as he's still legally my next of kin so my kids will get nothing and have nothing to cover the cost of my funeral
That's all I'm worried about "
I think you can change that, and if your kids aren't of legal age you can put the money in trust for them, used to be that way when I was in the insurance business |
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it"
Been reading up and your lucky if you can get a divorce completed in 33 weeks |
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By *jj46Man
over a year ago
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I'm in similar position. We split up .I was forced out of the house,she moved a guy in so i refused to pay half the mortgage .then got a message 6 months later she was handing the keys in for the property so I gave up my flat moved back and found out she never payed the mortgage or bills and had to go to court to stop the repossession. Won that and know paying all her arrears and repairs for the damage she did to property. Then messaged me to say she wants a divorce.that's no problem,she also told me that she didn't want anything to do with the house and is now asking for me to buy her out or put the property on the market.it's also in negative equity so theres no chance to sell or no way I'm buying her out plus there's no contribution from the wife..any advice would be welcome I mainly dealt with earning and haven't got a clue about legal matters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It sounds as though the clean break agreement document is worth paying for, for some.
Definitely worth it! Usually a flat fee. Easiest way is (if possible) agree on what is being split, then one party get it written up by a solicitor. Both parties sign, its notarised then its legal. Just make sure that any pensions/superannuities/bonuses get written in. I even had my child maintenance written in to the same document.
Not quite - but close.
You need to obtain an order from the court. It is called a consent order when done by agreement.
The rub, I am afraid, is that a judge has to make the order - and will not do so without both parties having set out their finances and the proposal being what the judge considers a fair settlement.
Sshhhh. Dont tell the ex then...the order I had drawn up gave her 80% of the equity in my house and all the house possessions and the 11k car she had got. In return she cant have a penny out of me other than maintenance til my daughter finishes her A levels
She did very well for herself!!! "
She did. But I have the house (which I rent out) and she can't touch my lump sum or pension. She just got it all up front and I dont have to worry about further down the line..as soon as my girl has finished school thats it |
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Quick question for those that have done it diy, my ex had the forms come back today as there was three things wrong, it says do attend to the above and resubmit and as the office is closed now we can't call them, does he have to redo it all or just make the amendments and resend the original forms off? They have been stamped by the office there end of this helps
Thanks in advance
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"Quick question for those that have done it diy, my ex had the forms come back today as there was three things wrong, it says do attend to the above and resubmit and as the office is closed now we can't call them, does he have to redo it all or just make the amendments and resend the original forms off? They have been stamped by the office there end of this helps
Thanks in advance
G x"
I'm not sure. In "the olden days" amendments were made in red pen & underlined |
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"Quick question for those that have done it diy, my ex had the forms come back today as there was three things wrong, it says do attend to the above and resubmit and as the office is closed now we can't call them, does he have to redo it all or just make the amendments and resend the original forms off? They have been stamped by the office there end of this helps
Thanks in advance
G x"
If you have been given a court case number, then amend and put initials next to the amendments.
Otherwise, redo entirely.
It is not uncommon to cock up. One of the most common is not to put the place of marriage EXACTLY as it appears on the marriage certificate. |
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"Quick question for those that have done it diy, my ex had the forms come back today as there was three things wrong, it says do attend to the above and resubmit and as the office is closed now we can't call them, does he have to redo it all or just make the amendments and resend the original forms off? They have been stamped by the office there end of this helps
Thanks in advance
G x
If you have been given a court case number, then amend and put initials next to the amendments.
Otherwise, redo entirely.
It is not uncommon to cock up. One of the most common is not to put the place of marriage EXACTLY as it appears on the marriage certificate."
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"Quick question for those that have done it diy, my ex had the forms come back today as there was three things wrong, it says do attend to the above and resubmit and as the office is closed now we can't call them, does he have to redo it all or just make the amendments and resend the original forms off? They have been stamped by the office there end of this helps
Thanks in advance
G x
If you have been given a court case number, then amend and put initials next to the amendments.
Otherwise, redo entirely.
It is not uncommon to cock up. One of the most common is not to put the place of marriage EXACTLY as it appears on the marriage certificate.
Yep that's what He did wrong and forgot to bloody date the thing!!! "
Yup - commas and everything. EXACTLY as it appears. Dating also helps. You decided not to use that website then? |
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"Quick question for those that have done it diy, my ex had the forms come back today as there was three things wrong, it says do attend to the above and resubmit and as the office is closed now we can't call them, does he have to redo it all or just make the amendments and resend the original forms off? They have been stamped by the office there end of this helps
Thanks in advance
G x
If you have been given a court case number, then amend and put initials next to the amendments.
Otherwise, redo entirely.
It is not uncommon to cock up. One of the most common is not to put the place of marriage EXACTLY as it appears on the marriage certificate.
Yep that's what He did wrong and forgot to bloody date the thing!!!
Yup - commas and everything. EXACTLY as it appears. Dating also helps. You decided not to use that website then?"
No it wasn't me that posted this original thread xx |
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"Quick question for those that have done it diy, my ex had the forms come back today as there was three things wrong, it says do attend to the above and resubmit and as the office is closed now we can't call them, does he have to redo it all or just make the amendments and resend the original forms off? They have been stamped by the office there end of this helps
Thanks in advance
G x
If you have been given a court case number, then amend and put initials next to the amendments.
Otherwise, redo entirely.
It is not uncommon to cock up. One of the most common is not to put the place of marriage EXACTLY as it appears on the marriage certificate.
Yep that's what He did wrong and forgot to bloody date the thing!!!
Yup - commas and everything. EXACTLY as it appears. Dating also helps. You decided not to use that website then?
No it wasn't me that posted this original thread xx"
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"Going through one now, uncontested, £410 and somewhere between 9 & 12 weeks from submitting paperwork to decree absolute.
Ever so slightly scary!!!
Good luck with it, hope it's as amicable as mine has been so far!
How far into are you?"
The £410 has been paid, the forms have been signed & returned... |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Don't use them if they're not a solicitor.
If it's just completing forms, do it yourself and save money.
And there's no such thing as a quickie divorce.
You can have a divorce in 12 weeks if both parties agree to it
Been reading up and your lucky if you can get a divorce completed in 33 weeks"
Done mine by post 14 years ago, cost £135 and finished in 12weeks. That's the way it should be, quick and easy! |
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