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From another thread.
David Cameron trying to salvage his Big Society writes in today's Guardian
"So the big society doesn't apply to one area of policy, but many. For example, if neighbours want to take over the running of a post office, park or playground, we will help them. If a charity or a faith group want to set up a great new school in the state sector, we'll let them. And if someone wants to help out with children, we will sweep away the criminal record checks and health and safety laws that stop them."
Read that last sentence again. "And if someone wants to help out with children, we will sweep away the criminal record checks and health and safety laws that stop them."
That's right. No criminal record check for people who want to work with your kids . |
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Of course. The Tories are such nasty bastards they're going to let kiddie fiddlers have unrestricted access to children.
How come you never 'report' things as they truly are, but always seek to put your pro-Labour/anti-Tory spin on things. Why not try being objective for once.
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The govt seek to enable local communities to set up their own school for their own children, free from the interference of red tape and the plethora of criminal record checks that currently prevent them from doing so.
What does this mean in reality?
Mums and dads setting up schools that there own children will attend and, as far as I know, parents don't need a criminal record check to do educate their own kids. |
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"From another thread.
David Cameron trying to salvage his Big Society writes in today's Guardian
"So the big society doesn't apply to one area of policy, but many. For example, if neighbours want to take over the running of a post office, park or playground, we will help them. If a charity or a faith group want to set up a great new school in the state sector, we'll let them. And if someone wants to help out with children, we will sweep away the criminal record checks and health and safety laws that stop them."
Read that last sentence again. "And if someone wants to help out with children, we will sweep away the criminal record checks and health and safety laws that stop them."
That's right. No criminal record check for people who want to work with your kids ."
There were no criminal record checks when I went to school. The teachers used to beat seven bells out of us in ritual caning sessions in the school assembly every Monday morning after threatening the victims via a roll call in Friday afternoons last assembly of the week. Nothing like a weekend to worry yourself shitless about a ritual public flogging due in two days time....
I think as a Big Society we should bring the good old school day traditions back to the house of commons..... |
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That's right. No criminal record check for people who want to work with your kids ."
Thank feck for that in my opinion. Pointless and stupid anyway, most abuse is by relatives not strangers who visit a school.
...and I am a parent before you ask. |
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That's right. No criminal record check for people who want to work with your kids .
Thank feck for that in my opinion. Pointless and stupid anyway, most abuse is by relatives not strangers who visit a school.
...and I am a parent before you ask. "
My point exactly - cruelty and bullying do not stop with a criminal record check. |
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How come you never 'report' things as they truly are, but always seek to put your pro-Labour/anti-Tory spin on things. Why not try being objective for once.
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I'm only repeating what Cameron has said. I appreciate some folks might find the idea unpalatable but so long as someone's making a quick buck why worry about kids, eh? |
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Political allegiance aside……
Id love to pose a question directly to the all members of the present government….. Asking how many, if any , are actually volunteering their spare time and energy towards the enterprise of this so called “Big Society” initiative ….. It would be very interesting to see if anyone of them are actively getting involved in any way other that just prompting the concept the rest of us…..
Oh…. how silly of me….. ……perhaps they are far to busy,…. Hmmmmm, I wonder !!!!!!
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Or could it just be that people just want some semblance of control back in their lives. Hasn't there been so much said about living in a nanny state and how we're sick of govt interference. If Cameron's Big Society enables us to move towards a society where we have more control over our own lives then I'm all for it, but I will concede that one of Cameron's failings is not realising an opportunity to promote a good idea and capitalising on it. He doesn't seem to have the right words to 'sell' the idea, and that could be it's ultimate undoing.
I'd love us to be back in the days of my youth when we could pop down the local shop and not have to lock the house up like Fort Knox, but I think we all look back at the past with rose-tinted glasses sometimes as I'm sure there was as much crime then as there is today.
I think the recent drives to promote marriage, coupled with this Big Society idea could really take off if the Coalition could just find a way of promoting it properly.
With regards to parents setting up schools - I am a telecoms engineer and Siren works in the IT sector, so we wouldn't get involved in such a scheme, but there are parents out there who ARE trained teachers that would consider it a good move to have their own child at their own school, and that, to me, demonstrates a good parent and one with whom I'd be more than happy to educate my son too. |
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"Political allegiance aside……
Id love to pose a question directly to the all members of the present government….. Asking how many, if any , are actually volunteering their spare time and energy towards the enterprise of this so called “Big Society” initiative ….. It would be very interesting to see if anyone of them are actively getting involved in any way other that just prompting the concept the rest of us…..
Oh…. how silly of me….. ……perhaps they are far to busy,…. Hmmmmm, I wonder !!!!!!
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If a cabinet minister said he did have the time to do as you say I'd wonder why he wasn't doing the job he'd been elected to do. An MP has enough to do already, governing 60m people isn't easy. Their job is to create the opportunities that other people can then fulfil. That's what I elected them to do. |
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I think Cameron believes in society ....unlike one of his predessors..(I despise that woman)..ripping the hart out of communities and raising a generation of raising self centred yuppies is hell of a legacy ....
Best of luck to him ...tho until his own cabinet have any real cohesive idea, what the fuck he`s on about or at least fall behind it ..its a dead duck ....
In fairness ..Labours idea of regeneration and splashing money around was papering over cracks ...however well intentioned ...
Communties ...my arse...homogenised fucking Disneyland with a Starbucks thrown in ...
Anyhow..
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If a cabinet minister said he did have the time to do as you say I'd wonder why he wasn't doing the job he'd been elected to do. An MP has enough to do already, governing 60m people isn't easy. Their job is to create the opportunities that other people can then fulfil. That's what I elected them to do."
I hear what you say Wishy,,, and I don't disagree.... far from it in fact...
The point I was alluding too..... was I don’t claim know if MPs are required to abide by the European working time directive…. If they are not…perhaps they should be….. Then maybe they would have the "spare time" to volunteer themselves in some manner….. Just like the people they where elected to govern over,,,who they are encouraging to get involveed..... who as a matter of law are required to be given sufficient time away from their labours to recuperate sufficiently. So that when they do resume their toils they can do so with some degree of certainty they will not put themselves or others at risk by the subsequent actions or decisions they take…..
Oh..... I know for some people..... work is like recreation!!!!.....but there one or two people out there who don't see it that way
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"Political allegiance aside……
Id love to pose a question directly to the all members of the present government….. Asking how many, if any , are actually volunteering their spare time and energy towards the enterprise of this so called “Big Society” initiative ….. It would be very interesting to see if anyone of them are actively getting involved in any way other that just prompting the concept the rest of us…..
Oh…. how silly of me….. ……perhaps they are far to busy,…. Hmmmmm, I wonder !!!!!!
If a cabinet minister said he did have the time to do as you say I'd wonder why he wasn't doing the job he'd been elected to do. An MP has enough to do already, governing 60m people isn't easy. Their job is to create the opportunities that other people can then fulfil. That's what I elected them to do."
I think you will find a lot of MP's wives/families get involved in charity work. I think it's an unwritten part of the brief. |
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I think you will find a lot of MP's wives/families get involved in charity work. I think it's an unwritten part of the brief."
I'm sure you might be right!!!!....
But lets not suggest for one moment they might only make time to do so, because of their partners position, comfortable salary and expenses which allows them the freedom to do so, or perhaps even cynically suggest, its because its might be regarded as being good publicity which will help “Said partner” maintain their position in government and subsequently both their siutably pleasant lifestyle’s.. ....
Where perhaps this would not be so possible for someone on a medium to low income that's also perhaps saddled with.... oh... I don’t know!!!!! Let me think…… ...getting to and from work.... The whole spectrum that is childcare...... looking after a spouse or dependant!!!.......making house…. food shopping....washing clothes....making dinners.... washing dishes.......… Etceteras… …. Etceteras
Oh….. ya know the day to day sort of routine stuff most people fill their time with before they can get a moment or two of quality time interacting with their loved ones before snatching a brief sleep in readiness for a return to the mill suitably refreshed and raring to go again…….
hell yeah..... it sounds like a great idea….. yeah….. Bring it on....
In fact I'm still in shock there where people who actually volunteered to do things before the government suggested we might all like to try it.…… ffs….
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I don't have any spare time to volunteer for anything. I'm too busy working to make money so that I can afford to fill my car with diesel once in a while ..... 
These politicians are living in cuckoo land - the whole bloody lot of them, no matter what party they represent.
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I think you will find a lot of MP's wives/families get involved in charity work. I think it's an unwritten part of the brief.
I'm sure you might be right!!!!....
But lets not suggest for one moment they might only make time to do so, because of their partners position, comfortable salary and expenses which allows them the freedom to do so, or perhaps even cynically suggest, its because its might be regarded as being good publicity which will help “Said partner” maintain their position in government and subsequently both their siutably pleasant lifestyle’s.. ....
Where perhaps this would not be so possible for someone on a medium to low income that's also perhaps saddled with.... oh... I don’t know!!!!! Let me think…… ...getting to and from work.... The whole spectrum that is childcare...... looking after a spouse or dependant!!!.......making house…. food shopping....washing clothes....making dinners.... washing dishes.......… Etceteras… …. Etceteras
Oh….. ya know the day to day sort of routine stuff most people fill their time with before they can get a moment or two of quality time interacting with their loved ones before snatching a brief sleep in readiness for a return to the mill suitably refreshed and raring to go again…….
hell yeah..... it sounds like a great idea….. yeah….. Bring it on....
In fact I'm still in shock there where people who actually volunteered to do things before the government suggested we might all like to try it.…… ffs….
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Im rather puzzled by your response and may have misunderstood. Are you suggesting Volunteering is not carried out by people on low incomes? Are yu suggesting Volunteers only come from those with lots of time on their hands because they live a comfortable lifestyle and can afford to do it? Are you suggesting there are no charitable deeds at all?
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"I don't have any spare time to volunteer for anything. I'm too busy working to make money so that I can afford to fill my car with diesel once in a while .....
These politicians are living in cuckoo land - the whole bloody lot of them, no matter what party they represent.
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Yep... it really makes you wonder....
I'm very fortunate and have the time and wherewithal to do a bit.... Which I humbly do alongside some amazing people who've volunteered their services free for years and years,,,, Only now to be find themselves is a situation whereby its becoming harder and harder to give their time and help because of the individual costs they incur when volunteering .....
Even to the point some have had to give up voluntary work because of their own financial hardship, which is a heartbreaking situation for them and the people they assist.....
So for these amazing people to have to listen to a government message spouting about how we must all pull together and give our service for free in the name of a big society,,, it's sickening to say the least, or perhaps maybe poorer people are not the sort the government expects to do this voluntary work
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Im rather puzzled by your response and may have misunderstood. Are you suggesting Volunteering is not carried out by people on low incomes? Are yu suggesting Volunteers only come from those with lots of time on their hands because they live a comfortable lifestyle and can afford to do it? Are you suggesting there are no charitable deeds at all?
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Nope I'm not suggesting any of what you've asked there...!!!! at all!!!!!
I'm mealy frustrated that some amazing people are having to listen to politicians explaining how volunteering is a really good thing to do....and we should all give it a go.... however, sadley some of you who could once afford to volenteer,,,, might not be able to anymore .. so because of that.... ... we will ask someone else too do it instead…and make it sound like its a radical new idea
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In the time of approaching greatness need...the government is cutting the funding to the CAB.....as I said previously unless the government has some joined up thinking, and understands communally, that slashing the volunteer sector ...which underpins the notion of a big society...is a massive fuck up and morally wrong ...it will remain a dead duck in the water ...vunerable to righteous scorn and derision ....oxymoronic at best ... |
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"Political allegiance aside……
Id love to pose a question directly to the all members of the present government….. Asking how many, if any , are actually volunteering their spare time and energy towards the enterprise of this so called “Big Society” initiative ….. It would be very interesting to see if anyone of them are actively getting involved in any way other that just prompting the concept the rest of us…..
Oh…. how silly of me….. ……perhaps they are far to busy,…. Hmmmmm, I wonder !!!!!!
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Nat Wei, who took a peerage, was Cameron's supposed 'Big Society Czar' - supposedly in charge of encouraging folks to volunteer but he stood down from the job at the end of January 'cos he "didn't have enough time".
You couldn't make this sorta stuff up. |
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I wonder whether the long term unemployed are expected to be part of this scheme ? After all, some (not all) are claiming benefits and have not put a penny into the system so maybe they would be ideal candidates to begin with ..
On the other hand we have local authorities who are having their budgets slashed beyond all imagination, forced to make people redundant then the government are expecting US to do the same jobs for which a person was gainfully employed, but we have to do it for free .. and example of this which I heard discussed on the radio today, looking after a swimming pool, manning a library .... would those volunteers then be regarded as 'scabs' ?? |
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Im rather puzzled by your response and may have misunderstood. Are you suggesting Volunteering is not carried out by people on low incomes? Are yu suggesting Volunteers only come from those with lots of time on their hands because they live a comfortable lifestyle and can afford to do it? Are you suggesting there are no charitable deeds at all?
Nope I'm not suggesting any of what you've asked there...!!!! at all!!!!!
I'm mealy frustrated that some amazing people are having to listen to politicians explaining how volunteering is a really good thing to do....and we should all give it a go.... however, sadley some of you who could once afford to volenteer,,,, might not be able to anymore .. so because of that.... ... we will ask someone else too do it instead…and make it sound like its a radical new idea
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Thanks!!!!!!! For clarifying your thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"Of course. The Tories are such nasty bastards they're going to let kiddie fiddlers have unrestricted access to children.
How come you never 'report' things as they truly are, but always seek to put your pro-Labour/anti-Tory spin on things. Why not try being objective for once.
Like this..
The govt seek to enable local communities to set up their own school for their own children, free from the interference of red tape and the plethora of criminal record checks that currently prevent them from doing so.
What does this mean in reality?
Mums and dads setting up schools that there own children will attend and, as far as I know, parents don't need a criminal record check to do educate their own kids."
FFs...and who are children most at risk of being sexually abused from....their parents!
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It never ceases to amaze me that the british public whine and dither over the state of the country yet when asked to actively get involved and help change the way we live they moan like fuck about it.
Cameron has stated that the Big Society may be his idea and the legacy he wants to leave behind him when he's done with politics, but he also said he our help in determining how the Big Society can be achieved. It's not about Whitehall telling us how to get from here to there but about Society letting him know where it's not achieving and putting it right as we move along. It's an ever outward spiralling movement of thought and deed where once it gets started it can snowball.
Reading on the BBC site today, I read that some MPs thought the Big Society would simply vanish quietly after the election - much like Tony Blair's The Third Way - but it hasn't, it's been pursued relentlessly by Cameron and it's now starting to filter through into various govt departments who are suddenly starting to 'get it'.
It makes perfect sense that we should start to 'get it' also, and, if it works, give it a bloody good shot, because it has to be better than the fractured society we have presently. |
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"I wonder whether the long term unemployed are expected to be part of this scheme ? After all, some (not all) are claiming benefits and have not put a penny into the system so maybe they would be ideal candidates to begin with ..
On the other hand we have local authorities who are having their budgets slashed beyond all imagination, forced to make people redundant then the government are expecting US to do the same jobs for which a person was gainfully employed, but we have to do it for free .. and example of this which I heard discussed on the radio today, looking after a swimming pool, manning a library .... would those volunteers then be regarded as 'scabs' ??"
Good points to raise .....tho alot of these posts..require a level of expertise and knowledge..I wonder !!.. |
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"It never ceases to amaze me that the british public whine and dither over the state of the country yet when asked to actively get involved and help change the way we live they moan like fuck about it.
Cameron has stated that the Big Society may be his idea and the legacy he wants to leave behind him when he's done with politics, but he also said he our help in determining how the Big Society can be achieved. It's not about Whitehall telling us how to get from here to there but about Society letting him know where it's not achieving and putting it right as we move along. It's an ever outward spiralling movement of thought and deed where once it gets started it can snowball.
Reading on the BBC site today, I read that some MPs thought the Big Society would simply vanish quietly after the election - much like Tony Blair's The Third Way - but it hasn't, it's been pursued relentlessly by Cameron and it's now starting to filter through into various govt departments who are suddenly starting to 'get it'.
It makes perfect sense that we should start to 'get it' also, and, if it works, give it a bloody good shot, because it has to be better than the fractured society we have presently."
If its his true ideaology Wishy ...best of luck to him ....
I remain unconvinced.....but as a concept of devolving power...I take your thrust and agree with it ... |
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FFs...and who are children most at risk of being sexually abused from....their parents!
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Even if that were true, and I can't find stats to support it, is that any reason NOT to protect them elsewhere?
Hasn't anyone read about the damage done to kids by paedophile Priests? Nursery nurses? |
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Cameron has stated that the Big Society may be his idea and the legacy he wants to leave behind him when he's done with politics, but he also said he our help in determining how the Big Society can be achieved. ..............."
If he's that keen on a legacy let him go now and I'll raise a glass every Valentine's Day to the memory of his 'legacy'. |
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c'mon wishy,it's hard to believe,the party that killed society,and community.
now want to revitalise,and encourage it.
even if dave does believe in it.there are to many people,within his own party,who do not,and will put it down,at every opportunity.
his greatest sceptics,don't come from the labour party.they come from within the conservative party.
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FFs...and who are children most at risk of being sexually abused from....their parents!
Even if that were true, and I can't find stats to support it, is that any reason NOT to protect them elsewhere?
Hasn't anyone read about the damage done to kids by paedophile Priests? Nursery nurses?"
Ahhh you missed my point,i was replying to the mad idea that children would be safe in schools ran by parents.i should have said family member to be honest,i was in a hurry
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/research/statistics/child_sexual_abuse_statistics_wda48742.html
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I can see it now.
A librarian is made redundant on Friday and goes to register as unemployed on the Monday.
"Good news" cries the Job Centre guy " we have the very thing for you. They need a new librarian where you used to work"
The difference? The new 'job' is unpaid.
Big Society? Bollox. |
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We have already had a taste of Dave's big society down here, the library in the next small town had their full time librarian and two part timers laid off in early December.
Devon County Council cited the need to cut their budget dramatically due to a 25% cut in central government funding, the librarian had been at this little library for Twenty odd years and wasn't far off retirement....just five or six years to go.
At first we thought the library was to be closed but surprise surprise....It opens again in early March with unpaid workers manning it.
Welcome to the big society folks, bored pensioners taking the jobs of people....and all for FREE! |
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"I can see it now.
A librarian is made redundant on Friday and goes to register as unemployed on the Monday.
"Good news" cries the Job Centre guy " we have the very thing for you. They need a new librarian where you used to work"
The difference? The new 'job' is unpaid.
Big Society? Bollox."
Precisely. It's Milton Friedman's wet dream. |
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