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Top Gear in trouble again (part 2, intent)

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By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

Following on from last post.

Having moved from what was done to the intent behind those actions:

Can anyone seriously say that there was no intent considering the past record of the program makers?

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

I've been watching some unofficial vids loaded up by spectators following them around this weekend. The intent was to cause maximum impact every where they went. They were in parts of London most tourists wouldn't have a clue about.

In my opinion the intent was definitely there.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Just found the statement from Westminster City Council which categorically states that the TG team were not allowed to perform any stunts in Whitehall. They were only allowed to drive along Whitehall and nothing else. The TG team did not ask for permission to perform any stunts in Whitehall.

I have also watched the video which shows Ken Block racing past the cenotaph and doing doughnuts as close to the cenotaph as possible. The video also shows the BBC camera positions. For the TG team to say that they never intended to show the Cenotaph is complete horseshit.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"Just found the statement from Westminster City Council which categorically states that the TG team were not allowed to perform any stunts in Whitehall. They were only allowed to drive along Whitehall and nothing else. The TG team did not ask for permission to perform any stunts in Whitehall.

Why is it horseshit? What evidence do you have to show that they intended to do so other than your own poorly constructed need to be outraged by everything you can be?

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Why is it horseshit? What evidence do you have to show that they intended to do so other than your own poorly constructed need to be outraged by everything you can be?

Because the camera angles make it quite obvious from the video

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let it go, let it go...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think they filmed a lot with the intent to edit big parts to it - which parts, we'll probably never know.

Not surprised it's in the papers but hardly positive positive publicity. Worse than Jezza? Long way to go yet....

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"I've been watching some unofficial vids loaded up by spectators following them around this weekend."

you're outraged by the content of some film footage, so what do you do? you purposefully seek out more film footage that containns the source of your outrage.

good work

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By *ohnaronMan over a year ago

london

I feel Top Gear has had it before it even starts. Viewing numbers will just tail off...

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By *espectful chap 99Man over a year ago

Preston

personally I'm looking to watching the new series...

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"I've been watching some unofficial vids loaded up by spectators following them around this weekend.

you're outraged by the content of some film footage, so what do you do? you purposefully seek out more film footage that containns the source of your outrage.

good work

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I have only a vague idea who Matt LeBlanc is. I like Ken Block, the Hoonigan is an awesome set of wheels and the Gymkhana events are are automobile Nirvana. I don't hold them responsible in any way, as the talent they do what the producers tell them and the TG producers knew exactly what they were doing when they set that scene up. As an avid petrolhead and expert on London topography I have been following this story all weekend. From the start in Great Suffolk street to Tower Bridge, St Paul's and the Isle of Dogs watching the action. It's been fun but at the end of the day, they should never have been anywhere near the Cenotaph

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

And I gues there's the rub, isn't it.

In your opinion, the cenotaph is some kind os sacrosanct shrine than has to be protected from whatever you perceive to be insult.

Whereas I see no insult. None intended and none comited.

It smacks of the fake patriotism of "Ing-gur-lund" brigade to be so determined to find offence in the name of others.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"And I gues there's the rub, isn't it.

In your opinion, the cenotaph is some kind os sacrosanct shrine than has to be protected from whatever you perceive to be insult.

Whereas I see no insult. None intended and none comited.

It smacks of the fake patriotism of "Ing-gur-lund" brigade to be so determined to find offence in the name of others.

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i would expect nothing less from you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been watching some unofficial vids loaded up by spectators following them around this weekend. The intent was to cause maximum impact every where they went. They were in parts of London most tourists wouldn't have a clue about.

In my opinion the intent was definitely there. "

So your basing your opinion on the viewing of unoffical footage. There is no way you can determine intent without having seen the official film.

I have no doubt that they intended to make a spectacular performance, but you can't say they intended to be disrespectful to the centopah without proof which you don't have and never will have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

At the end of the day, people will watch it, the papers have blown this all out of proportion as its a slow news week, no they shouldn't have got so close but they didn't do any damage and I'm sure they didn't have any intention of making a mockery of what it stands for, some people do need to chill out over these things, if they did a stunt on two wheels up the side of it then I can see everyone's issue but they didn't, just some silly driving near a national monument. And while we are at it, Westminster council much be bloody stupid to think top gear in a car like that would only drive up Whitehall.

G x

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

In my opinion the intent was definitely there.

So your basing your opinion on the viewing of unoffical footage. There is no way you can determine intent without having seen the official film.

I have no doubt that they intended to make a spectacular performance, but you can't say they intended to be disrespectful to the centopah without proof which you don't have and never will have."
its like watching the action replay on MoTD, when you have seen it from several angles the evidence is pretty conclusive

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Is the 'outrage' about the fact that their behaviour is perceived as lacking in respect for the cenotaph and if so do we now ban all behaviour by some in every village, town and city where we have such memorials which may be seen by some to be lacking in respect..

or is it about the fact that some can't let go about Clarkson being given the boot from the programme..?

btw am ex services and don't feel it was an issue, people across the land drive like idiots past similar memorials and no biggie..

the Cenotaph was not defaced..

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

i would expect nothing less from you

Then I'm glad I didn't disappoint.

On a note of genuine interest though, you managed to completely numerous errors people trying to gauge just where you level of tolerance for office lies and I'm a bit fascinated by it.

The thing I find I credulouse is that we are talking about being offended that something was done simply near this most famous of war memorials.

So as has been asked of you before, how far away would be far enough?

Does just being able to send the cenotaph from where the offending behaviour took place cause offence? What of other more mundane offensive behaviour that happens every single day around the memorials of our towns and cities?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

btw am ex services and don't feel it was an issue, people across the land drive like idiots past similar memorials and no biggie..

Hang your head in shame soldier, we should be the first ones out there bayoneting these disrespectful bastards.

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

Have another look, as I have just done, and you will see that the cameras are in fact looking away from the cenotaph while filming the driver doing his routine. Therefore being as the cenotaph is behind the camera how would you think it would be visible in the shot filmed by the BBC?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So are we talking donuts around the actual cenotaph or in the vicinity?

I have not read the old thread or articles.

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

"I feel Top Gear has had it before it even starts. Viewing numbers will just tail off..."

Are you kidding? with publicity like this before the first episode has even aired?

There is no such a thing as "Bad Publicity" and it's much cheaper than advertising......

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In my opinion the intent was definitely there.

So your basing your opinion on the viewing of unoffical footage. There is no way you can determine intent without having seen the official film.

I have no doubt that they intended to make a spectacular performance, but you can't say they intended to be disrespectful to the centopah without proof which you don't have and never will have.its like watching the action replay on MoTD, when you have seen it from several angles the evidence is pretty conclusive "

What utter tosh, it's nothing like that, you don't know what scenes were going to be used, what the actual angles the film crew used or what they captured.

Your evidence is all circumstantial without a shread of proof, you've also carefully disregarded the fact that the producers have already stated they weren't going to show the cenotaph. You seem determined to be offended just because you want to be

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By *rinking-in-laCouple over a year ago

Bristol

Why is it horseshit? What evidence do you have to show that they intended to do so other than your own poorly constructed need to be outraged by everything you can be?

Because the camera angles make it quite obvious from the video"

Those were not BBC cameras. The BBC cameras were pointing away from the cenotaph.

Thank fuck that when our young went to Afghanistan to try to stop total pricks from eroding our liberty, they knew they would have people in the uk doing it instead by censoring basically irrelevant acts on the grounds of made up moral horse shit.

In Afghanistan we have a bunch of ill informed idiots who have drawn some arbitrary rules and are trying to inflict them upon their society irrespective of the laws of the land or the will of the people.

In the UK we have a bunch of ill informed idiots who have drawn some arbitrary reactionary rules and are trying to inflict them upon their society irrespective of the laws of the land or the will of the people.

I bet our dead soldiers are bloody glad they gave their lives for that.

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

"So are we talking donuts around the actual cenotaph or in the vicinity?

I have not read the old thread or articles. "

No Not around it. The donuts were being performed at the junction between Derby gate & parliament street, being filmed towards parliament sq. A good 85 metres away if google earth is to be believed.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"So are we talking donuts around the actual cenotaph or in the vicinity?

I have not read the old thread or articles.

No Not around it. The donuts were being performed at the junction between Derby gate & parliament street, being filmed towards parliament sq. A good 85 metres away if google earth is to be believed."

Google Earth is a BBC conspiracy.

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

"So are we talking donuts around the actual cenotaph or in the vicinity?

I have not read the old thread or articles.

No Not around it. The donuts were being performed at the junction between Derby gate & parliament street, being filmed towards parliament sq. A good 85 metres away if google earth is to be believed.

Google Earth is a BBC conspiracy."

Oh no, they are watching me.....

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

On a different note , thank goodness our dead soldiers have you to protect them. It would be dreadful if people were free to act in a law abiding fashion in a free country without some randomers taking massive huffs on their Thank fuck that when our young went to Afghanistan to try to stop total pricks from eroding our liberty, they knew they would have people in the uk doing it instead by censoring basically irrelevant acts on the grounds of made up moral horse shit.

I bet our dead soldiers are bloody glad they gave their lives for that."

BOOM! What he said!

I love it when someone says what I'm thinking, only much better than I was thinking it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So are we talking donuts around the actual cenotaph or in the vicinity?

I have not read the old thread or articles.

No Not around it. The donuts were being performed at the junction between Derby gate & parliament street, being filmed towards parliament sq. A good 85 metres away if google earth is to be believed."

I find no offence to be honest but equally can see why some would become piqued if not in possession of the full facts.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

i would expect nothing less from you

Then I'm glad I didn't disappoint.

On a note of genuine interest though, you managed to completely numerous errors people trying to gauge just where you level of tolerance for office lies and I'm a bit fascinated by it.

The thing I find I credulouse is that we are talking about being offended that something was done simply near this most famous of war memorials.

So as has been asked of you before, how far away would be far enough?

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By *adyboy-DaddyCouple over a year ago

Andover

Yeah my bad for typing on a phone and not checking before sending, but as you get the general idea you could always go for an answer to the questions asked so many times, rather than another dodge.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

They misled WCC and after the shit hit the fan they claimed that they weren't going to show footage of the cenotaph when cameras on both sides capture the cenotaph on panning shots. You obviously haven't seen the unedited footage that I have or the tyre marks which are a hell of a lot closer than the BBC claim (their statement claims they weren't within 40 metres when they actually drove right past it on what would be the wrong side of the road) I have seen unofficial footage the Parliament square video, and from the Trafalgar Square end as well as several different angles on Whitehall. Not all of this is available on YouTube as far as I know.

Carry on as much as you like but the TG team were out of order.

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By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

And still everyone is either fighting about if it was right or wrong rather than thinking about if the reactions to the incident were in any way foreseeable?

The producer or producers who planned this must be having a hoot. They nearly got their talent and the film crew recording them lynched in Alabama. They came close to putting them all in body bags in Argentina. They came close to stranding a film crew and the presenters at high altitude on the side of a Chilean mountain to die of mountain sickness. They made Clarkson say vile racist things. And always the presenters took the blame. Finally they got Clarkson to crack by not feeding him, and again they got away with it.

Seems that they are playing their sick games again and still getting away with it.

But I guess everything I have said is supposition based on circumstantial evidence and so can be dismissed.

I wonder what the producers have planned as their next stunt?

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"Yeah my bad for typing on a phone and not checking before sending, but as you get the general idea you could always go for an answer to the questions asked so many times, rather than another dodge.

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i haven't dodged any questions, I said it was disrespectful and they shouldn't have filmed there. The Chris Evans statement pretty much backs that up.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"They misled WCC and after the shit hit the fan they claimed that they weren't going to show footage of the cenotaph when cameras on both sides capture the cenotaph on panning shots. You obviously haven't seen the unedited footage that I have or the tyre marks which are a hell of a lot closer than the BBC claim (their statement claims they weren't within 40 metres when they actually drove right past it on what would be the wrong side of the road) I have seen unofficial footage the Parliament square video, and from the Trafalgar Square end as well as several different angles on Whitehall. Not all of this is available on YouTube as far as I know.

Carry on as much as you like but the TG team were out of order. "

What does the side of the road matter? Of course they drove past it. It is impossible to drive down Whitehall without driving past the cenotaph.

You still have not answered why this is unacceptable. What law has been broken?

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Where did I say any law was broken?

Do you understand what the word DISRESPECTFUL means? I wrote it in capitals to help you work out which word I am talking about.

Disrespectful

D i s r e s p e c t f u l

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"Yeah my bad for typing on a phone and not checking before sending, but as you get the general idea you could always go for an answer to the questions asked so many times, rather than another dodge.

i haven't dodged any questions, I said it was disrespectful and they shouldn't have filmed there. The Chris Evans statement pretty much backs that up. "

i've scoured the thread and you haven't explained in what way it is disrespectful. the only answers you've managed to muster is "and there's the problem" a couple of times and a misquote of eleanor roosevelt. i'll ask again, what makes driving a sports car down whitehall disrespectful and to whom is the disrepect shown?

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By *razedcatMan over a year ago

London / Herts

They drove near a memorial. They didn't spit on it.

I'm sure many worse things have happened at or near the cenotaph. It is in Whitehall, after all!

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

"Where did I say any law was broken?

Do you understand what the word DISRESPECTFUL means? I wrote it in capitals to help you work out which word I am talking about.

Disrespectful

D i s r e s p e c t f u l"

Respect:

noun

a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

Please feel free to share how you feel that this was breached by filming there?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"Where did I say any law was broken?

Do you understand what the word DISRESPECTFUL means? I wrote it in capitals to help you work out which word I am talking about.

Disrespectful

D i s r e s p e c t f u l"

I understand it rather well. Would you care to explain what was disrespectful about driving past a monument and then spinning some wheels and rotating a vehicle?

No contact was made with this object you wish to protect by denying basic human rights, it was not damaged and basically nothing was made of it at any time.

The disrespectful behaviour is coming from those who wish to desecrate the memory of our dead soldiers to further their own pathetic political and moral crusades.

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By *ohnaronMan over a year ago

london

You cannot desecrate an empty tomb but you can annoy an awful lot of people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As I've said before, I see zero disrespect here.

If you believe the dead are looking down from above, they were probably just as impressed everybody else.

It would have been disrespectful had they damaged the cenotaph in any way, but that didn't happen.

I won't go so far as to say those men died so some guy can drive like a loon around their memorial but there is some truth there.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"They drove near a memorial. They didn't spit on it.

I'm sure many worse things have happened at or near the cenotaph. It is in Whitehall, after all!

"
well apparently some one didn't sing fasten his tie or tuck his shirt in let alone do a wheel spin and that got the usual suspects frothing at the mouth about disrespect .

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By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

"that got the usual suspects frothing at the mouth about disrespect ."

That is the point!

If you deliberately engineer a situation that will cause outrage then you are in the wrong. In fact it is an offence under the public order act its called 'conduct lightly to cause a breach of the peace'.

It does not matter if you or I or anyone else feels it is a storm in a teacup, what matters is that anyone with half a brain could foresee that this stunt would cause offence to some.

The producers knew full well that what they had planned would offend some, so they did not tell Westminster council what they had planned to get a permit.

That IS dishonest and disrespectful! Or maybe you had not thought about that aspect of this stunt.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple over a year ago

Bristol

"that got the usual suspects frothing at the mouth about disrespect .

That is the point!

It does not matter if you or I or anyone else feels it is a storm in a teacup, what matters is that anyone with half a brain could foresee that this stunt would cause offence to some.

The producers knew full well that what they had planned would offend some, so they did not tell Westminster council what they had planned to get a permit.

That IS dishonest and disrespectful! Or maybe you had not thought about that aspect of this stunt."

So despite all sensible minds suggesting that those who are offended are incorrect or at best misguided, we are not free to do things which will offend people who are wrong to be so?

Also does the public order act not have a test for reasonableness?

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By *illwill69u OP Man over a year ago

moston

"So despite all sensible minds suggesting that those who are offended are incorrect or at best misguided, we are not free to do things which will offend people who are wrong to be so?

Also does the public order act not have a test for reasonableness?"

Really?

So despite Westminster Council saying that what was done went far beyond anything they gave permission for and that if they had been told what was planned they would have refused the filming permit, despite the new lead presenter of Top Gear going on prime time national news to apologise for the conduct of a show he is going to front and despite me pointing out the preplanned dishonesty of the producers of the show you still cant see a problem.

The real shame is that you are so invested in defending the right to offend that you have missed the point everything I have said in all my posts. But I will try one last time:

It is not the act that is the issue!

It is the intent behind the act that is the issue!

The intent was to outrage for publicity regardless of consequences.

The producers have form!

They have been getting away with stuff like this for years and it has to be stopped!

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By *eerobCouple over a year ago

solihull

'it is not the act that is the issue'

Exactly what they did was nothing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I had a good moan at Top Gear yesterday on here. I personally think it was a stunt done in poor taste. However I also understand others who think differently. It is probably fair too say that if you have been in the forces you have a higher chance of being offended but that said some may find it perfectly OK. One thing for sure the producers of the show got the required outcome.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I had a good moan at Top Gear yesterday on here. I personally think it was a stunt done in poor taste. However I also understand others who think differently. It is probably fair too say that if you have been in the forces you have a higher chance of being offended but that said some may find it perfectly OK. One thing for sure the producers of the show got the required outcome. "

You see I asked Mr ruggers that question as he was in the forces and he wasn't offended and thought the people he was in with at the time wouldn't have been either.

The next time he is in touch with them he may find out for sure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I went on my old regimental site on facebook last night and it was about a 70/30 split on the stunt. The younger members were more inclined too say it was OK , while the older members were ready too go too the armscote get their old SLR and round up all involved. Perhaps age plays a factor. The army today is a lot different than when I joined over 30 years ago. Perhaps the best way forward is too remember and gratefully respect our war dead but also too remember that life is for living...and learning from our mistakes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This still going on?

Christ...

Car drive fasts near a place! Big deal.

are there no actual issues to discus today?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"are there no actual issues to discus today? "

scientists have discovered a cat in north gloucester which hasn't appeared on the internet

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

For a show about cars Top Gear doesn't half cause some controversy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from last post.

Having moved from what was done to the intent behind those actions:

Can anyone seriously say that there was no intent considering the past record of the program makers? "

Its very simple

its just to gain publicity, good or bad, just to get people talking about the program, so that when it comes out everyone will switch on to watch

well everyone apart from myself

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I went on my old regimental site on facebook last night and it was about a 70/30 split on the stunt. The younger members were more inclined too say it was OK , while the older members were ready too go too the armscote get their old SLR and round up all involved. Perhaps age plays a factor. The army today is a lot different than when I joined over 30 years ago. Perhaps the best way forward is too remember and gratefully respect our war dead but also too remember that life is for living...and learning from our mistakes."

Mr ruggers is an oldie ex services and in the wrong camp then.

I find it even more worrying that older ex army want to go round people up to do god knows what. Obviously the discipline they were taught many moons ago has been forgotten.

I think your last line is great though and sort of sums it up. People can respect the dead while living your life at the same time and I am sure the people who have died over the years would echo that sentiment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"are there no actual issues to discus today?

scientists have discovered a cat in north gloucester which hasn't appeared on the internet"

The webless cat...

I'd heard rumours!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Following on from last post.

Having moved from what was done to the intent behind those actions:

Can anyone seriously say that there was no intent considering the past record of the program makers? "

Intent to what? Promote it's programme using tactics that might raise an eyebrow?

You seem to have fallen right where they want you then given your giving the program lots of free advertising.

I may actually watch it now after this...cheers op

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr ruggers is an oldie ex services and in the wrong camp then.

I find it even more worrying that older ex army want to go round people up to do god knows what. Obviously the discipline they were taught many moons ago has been forgotten.

Up to god knows what ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr ruggers is an oldie ex services and in the wrong camp then.

I find it even more worrying that older ex army want to go round people up to do god knows what. Obviously the discipline they were taught many moons ago has been forgotten.

Up to god knows what ?"

I'm sure they would not actually grab a SLR and let off a few 7.62. Besides they have not got the keys too the armscote and the SLR is long gone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What unit was Mr Ruggers in ?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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As normal on the net, all hot air then as to what they would like to do to someone else who has offended them.

As I say, worrying isn't it how some minds work

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"What unit was Mr Ruggers in ?"

He was RAF

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As normal on the net, all hot air then as to what they would like to do to someone else who has offended them.

As I say, worrying isn't it how some minds work"

It's not all hot air. Mr Ruggers would be the first to agree that the RAf and Army especially the Infantry are as far apart as you can get. Both do a great job but poles apart.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

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will we now see the outraged on picket duty at their local memorial lest anyone stagger past singing badly having just left their local pub, or anyone passes wind within a certain distance designated by them and thereby deemed a disrespectful act..?

and yes i know that all sounds silly and will add that personally i would not stand by if i saw anyone defacing a memorial but ffs we need to put this in context..

not seen any of the footage but did they also drive in such a disrespectful manner past any places of worship or any blue plaques..?

people talking about the law and a possible breach of the peace, seriously..

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"As normal on the net, all hot air then as to what they would like to do to someone else who has offended them.

As I say, worrying isn't it how some minds work

It's not all hot air. Mr Ruggers would be the first to agree that the RAf and Army especially the Infantry are as far apart as you can get. Both do a great job but poles apart."

Threatening to round up people to do god knows what to them is hot air as they are never likely to do it.

It doesn't matter what services you were in or even if you were in the services at all...it is still hot air and embarrasing to read.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As normal on the net, all hot air then as to what they would like to do to someone else who has offended them.

As I say, worrying isn't it how some minds work

It's not all hot air. Mr Ruggers would be the first to agree that the RAf and Army especially the Infantry are as far apart as you can get. Both do a great job but poles apart.

Threatening to round up people to do god knows what to them is hot air as they are never likely to do it.

It doesn't matter what services you were in or even if you were in the services at all...it is still hot air and embarrasing to read.

You could argue with your shadow.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

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Some people lack empathy

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"Some people lack empathy "

more overly, you lack perspective

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Some people lack empathy "

maybe some do, certainly some lack common sense..

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

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"Some people lack empathy

more overly, you lack perspective"
i see both sides of the argument, you need to open your mind. A closed mind is your biggest let down.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"Some people lack empathy

more overly, you lack perspectivei see both sides of the argument, you need to open your mind. A closed mind is your biggest let down. "

i don't need to do anything you tell me to at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some people lack intelligence.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

"Some people lack intelligence."

as you've consistently demonstrated by your veiws on this thread.

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By *S RachaelTV/TS over a year ago

Lowestoft

"Some people lack empathy

more overly, you lack perspectivei see both sides of the argument, you need to open your mind. A closed mind is your biggest let down.

i don't need to do anything you tell me to at all. "

Yes. The bbc are dreadful for hyping programmes so it was deliberate.

Having said that. The Cenotaph seems to have been the centre of attention whereas most people normally ignore it..so the fsct they made a point of doing this counterintuitively,to me, is actually honouring the fallen. Certainly theyd love doughnuts being done around them in their honour.

But im going to hate the programme, i know it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some people lack intelligence.

as you've consistently demonstrated by your veiws on this thread."

My views are my own. Agreed with or not.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

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"Some people lack empathy

more overly, you lack perspectivei see both sides of the argument, you need to open your mind. A closed mind is your biggest let down.

i don't need to do anything you tell me to at all. "
you can't fight evolution, it happens at a slower pace in some than others. You may evolve enough to understand this one day. Stranger things have happened. I won't need your input, I'm happy as I am thanks

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By *S RachaelTV/TS over a year ago

Lowestoft

Mr ruggers is an oldie ex services and in the wrong camp then.

I find it even more worrying that older ex army want to go round people up to do god knows what. Obviously the discipline they were taught many moons ago has been forgotten.

Up to god knows what ?

I'm sure they would not actually grab a SLR and let off a few 7.62. Besides they have not got the keys too the armscote and the SLR is long gone."

SLR? I have an image now of Islamic fanatics shooting tourists with an Olympus trip.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Fuck the whingers.

Ken block is where it's at.may not make it as a stage rally driver but as a stunt driver he is brilliant.

videos like this show the beauty of London. If you are offended by that ,we'll maybe you should remember there are some really horrible things going on in the world right now.maybe you should direct your disgust towards the real issues.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

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"Fuck the whingers.

Ken block is where it's at.may not make it as a stage rally driver but as a stunt driver he is brilliant.

Where has anyone dissed Ken Block or the backdrop of our wonderful city?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"As normal on the net, all hot air then as to what they would like to do to someone else who has offended them.

As I say, worrying isn't it how some minds work

It's not all hot air. Mr Ruggers would be the first to agree that the RAf and Army especially the Infantry are as far apart as you can get. Both do a great job but poles apart.

Threatening to round up people to do god knows what to them is hot air as they are never likely to do it.

It doesn't matter what services you were in or even if you were in the services at all...it is still hot air and embarrasing to read.

You could argue with your shadow.

Why would you even think you are in an argument? Me clarifying what I meant as I thought I hadn't been clear enough is not an argument. In fact stupid me thought we were having a discussion on the subject.

The only thing I can think of is you have taken offence at me saying some people blow hot air on the internet. Pointing out the obvious you seem to have taken offence at. Don't take it personally, it was the idiots threatening others that I was talking about.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Ok as this is now getting to insults it might be time to shut.

To the people who can't debate without losing it, please read the the forum rule summary

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