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"we should stay in the EU "jeremy clarckson
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That's the most left wing thing that he's ever said. I expected him to be very anti EU. I'm disappointed as I prided myself on the fact that politically we were juxtaposed. Seems every rule does have an exception! |
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"That's the most left wing thing that he's ever said. I expected him to be very anti EU. I'm disappointed as I prided myself on the fact that politically we were juxtaposed. Seems every rule does have an exception! "
Why is it automatically assumed that right wing = want to leave and left wing = pro-EU? It's really not the case. |
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My father, a Daily Mail reading ex-army Queen and country man who has previously voted Ukip, surprised me totally the other day by telling me that "Of course he was voting in". He was equally surprise that I, his leftist public sector republican black sheep, was also going to vote "In".
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"That's the most left wing thing that he's ever said. I expected him to be very anti EU. I'm disappointed as I prided myself on the fact that politically we were juxtaposed. Seems every rule does have an exception!
Why is it automatically assumed that right wing = want to leave and left wing = pro-EU? It's really not the case. "
Why isn't it the case. Right wing = capitalism = survival of the fittest. Left wing = socialism = better together supporting the less fortunate. So I'd say yes it the case. Feel free to enlighten me further! |
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"That's the most left wing thing that he's ever said. I expected him to be very anti EU. I'm disappointed as I prided myself on the fact that politically we were juxtaposed. Seems every rule does have an exception!
Why is it automatically assumed that right wing = want to leave and left wing = pro-EU? It's really not the case.
Why isn't it the case. Right wing = capitalism = survival of the fittest. Left wing = socialism = better together supporting the less fortunate. So I'd say yes it the case. Feel free to enlighten me further! "
David and George are hardly ragged-trousered philanthropists |
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"That's the most left wing thing that he's ever said. I expected him to be very anti EU. I'm disappointed as I prided myself on the fact that politically we were juxtaposed. Seems every rule does have an exception!
Why is it automatically assumed that right wing = want to leave and left wing = pro-EU? It's really not the case.
Why isn't it the case. Right wing = capitalism = survival of the fittest. Left wing = socialism = better together supporting the less fortunate. So I'd say yes it the case. Feel free to enlighten me further!
David and George are hardly ragged-trousered philanthropists "
No but they're politically motivated. They sell their soul to the highest bidder. Clarkson is comparatively free to make his own mind up! |
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"That's the most left wing thing that he's ever said. I expected him to be very anti EU. I'm disappointed as I prided myself on the fact that politically we were juxtaposed. Seems every rule does have an exception!
Why is it automatically assumed that right wing = want to leave and left wing = pro-EU? It's really not the case.
Why isn't it the case. Right wing = capitalism = survival of the fittest. Left wing = socialism = better together supporting the less fortunate. So I'd say yes it the case. Feel free to enlighten me further! "
What part of capitalism being survival of the fittest has anything to do with the EU? Which part of socialism being about supporting the less fortunate has anything to do with the EU? The socialist position is traditionally anti-EU. Tony Benn, Bob Crow, Jeremy Corbyn (until he agreed that the party position would be pro-EU) are/were all vehemently anti-EU. Opposition to TTIP. Opposition to increasing military aggrandisement. Opposition to the EU's stance towards Greece when it needed bailing out. These are all standard socialist positions.
The Conservative party are a basket case over Europe, but their arguments for staying in are about trade, business, access to markets. Fundamentals of capitalism.
It's not a right/left division. It's far more nuanced than that. |
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"My father, a Daily Mail reading ex-army Queen and country man who has previously voted Ukip, surprised me totally the other day by telling me that "Of course he was voting in". He was equally surprise that I, his leftist public sector republican black sheep, was also going to vote "In".
A rare moment of misty-eyed family unity ensued "
Why would you vote in, and vote ukip, isn't the whole reason ukip exists the exit of the eu? |
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"My father, a Daily Mail reading ex-army Queen and country man who has previously voted Ukip, surprised me totally the other day by telling me that "Of course he was voting in". He was equally surprise that I, his leftist public sector republican black sheep, was also going to vote "In".
A rare moment of misty-eyed family unity ensued
Why would you vote in, and vote ukip, isn't the whole reason ukip exists the exit of the eu?"
There are a huge variety of reasons people vote for them, across a range of issues. Leaving the EU is way down the list - immigration issues probably being at the top. They have become a broadly libertarian rightist party.
A colleague of mine - otherwise seemingly sensible - once told me, without a hint of irony, that they were the only party who would "Save the NHS".
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The right/left image we have of how people should vote has changed over the years. The torys have always wanted in, the labour party upto 97 had always stood on a out ticket. Even now the hard left call the eu the bosses union.
There are many problems with the eu the deocratic deficty, no elected mep can put forward ideas. All the they do is vote on laws dreamed up by the commissom who is unelected. As for the eu being left wing. They have stopped nationlization. I ask you all to consider voting to leave as there is so much with wrong the euro, the creation of an eu army. |
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