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"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people." Primary school goes upto age 11 Some kids are getting feelings at that age that they maybe to young to really understand, maybe by teaching them about gay relationships it may help explain their feelings and that they are OK to feel that way | |||
"Not right imo." Why ? | |||
"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people." I agree | |||
"They won't have been taught ANYTHING about S.E.X. They saw a play about gay relationships. They will have learned about appropriate and inappropriate actions towards peoples sexuality. They must have witnessed a zillion gay relationships in Soap Operas. I bet their parents don't stop them watching those." well said as usual
I doubt they was told what two men do in bed just that sometimes men love each other
But you can learn that on EastEnders | |||
"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people. Primary school goes upto age 11 Some kids are getting feelings at that age that they maybe to young to really understand, maybe by teaching them about gay relationships it may help explain their feelings and that they are OK to feel that way " As the parent of an 11 year old I'm up to date with that thanks 
They've had "the talk".
That wasn't my point - my point was that it doesn't need to be about sex - it can just be about life. | |||
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"They won't have been taught ANYTHING about S.E.X. They saw a play about gay relationships. They will have learned about appropriate and inappropriate actions towards peoples sexuality. They must have witnessed a zillion gay relationships in Soap Operas. I bet their parents don't stop them watching those. well said as usual
I doubt they was told what two men do in bed just that sometimes men love each other
But you can learn that on EastEnders "Or Gogglebox | |||
"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people. Primary school goes upto age 11 Some kids are getting feelings at that age that they maybe to young to really understand, maybe by teaching them about gay relationships it may help explain their feelings and that they are OK to feel that way As the parent of an 11 year old I'm up to date with that thanks
They've had "the talk".
That wasn't my point - my point was that it doesn't need to be about sex - it can just be about life."Nobody said it was about sex did they? I thought it was a play about two men who get married? Not a gay sex education class Is that not life? | |||
"Not right imo. Why ? " I think it is a little to young. | |||
"Not right imo. Why ? I think it is a little to young." For what ? | |||
"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people. Primary school goes upto age 11 Some kids are getting feelings at that age that they maybe to young to really understand, maybe by teaching them about gay relationships it may help explain their feelings and that they are OK to feel that way As the parent of an 11 year old I'm up to date with that thanks
They've had "the talk".
That wasn't my point - my point was that it doesn't need to be about sex - it can just be about life.
Nobody said it was about sex did they?
I thought it was a play about two men who get married? Not a gay sex education class
Is that not life?"Reference to pedophilia seems pretty much about sex. I think it's the sexual aspect that causes the outrage - this being the original point of the topic, at least as I understood it. | |||
Id be happy for this to be put on at my childrens school | |||
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"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people. Primary school goes upto age 11 Some kids are getting feelings at that age that they maybe to young to really understand, maybe by teaching them about gay relationships it may help explain their feelings and that they are OK to feel that way As the parent of an 11 year old I'm up to date with that thanks
They've had "the talk".
That wasn't my point - my point was that it doesn't need to be about sex - it can just be about life.
Nobody said it was about sex did they?
I thought it was a play about two men who get married? Not a gay sex education class
Is that not life?
Reference to pedophilia seems pretty much about sex.
I think it's the sexual aspect that causes the outrage - this being the original point of the topic, at least as I understood it."That's other people projecting that it's only about sex when it isn't. LGBT relationships are every bit as legitimate as heterosexual relationships. | |||
"I remember sex ed in primary school and watching a video of a woman give birth. So its not too young as i was 9 then going back almost 21 years!
Id be happy for this to be put on at my childrens school "If you are going to make childbirth part of sex then im celibate thanks. | |||
"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people. Primary school goes upto age 11 Some kids are getting feelings at that age that they maybe to young to really understand, maybe by teaching them about gay relationships it may help explain their feelings and that they are OK to feel that way As the parent of an 11 year old I'm up to date with that thanks
They've had "the talk".
That wasn't my point - my point was that it doesn't need to be about sex - it can just be about life.
Nobody said it was about sex did they?
I thought it was a play about two men who get married? Not a gay sex education class
Is that not life?
Reference to pedophilia seems pretty much about sex.
I think it's the sexual aspect that causes the outrage - this being the original point of the topic, at least as I understood it."Are we reading the same post
I read the pedophilla comment was made on Facebook by a parent
Whats that got to do with the school or what they are teaching kids? | |||
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"I remember sex ed in primary school and watching a video of a woman give birth. So its not too young as i was 9 then going back almost 21 years!
Id be happy for this to be put on at my childrens school
If you are going to make childbirth part of sex then im celibate thanks."one aspect of the lessons we were fiven the talk too. First year of secondary we were tauught how to use a condom with a banana. ....i suspect a lot of the hot pics went to my school now i think about it...  | |||
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"I remember sex ed in primary school and watching a video of a woman give birth. So its not too young as i was 9 then going back almost 21 years!
Id be happy for this to be put on at my childrens school
If you are going to make childbirth part of sex then im celibate thanks. one aspect of the lessons we were fiven the talk too. First year of secondary we were tauught how to use a condom with a banana. ....i suspect a lot of the hot pics went to my school now i think about it... "a banana ? I'm settling for nothing less than a giant marrow | |||
"You'll be hard pressed to find a school that doesn't have books featuring same sex relationships now." hard pressed..... snigger | |||
"I don't think it's necessary to teach young children about gay sex and straight sex. It's fine to do the Prince loves the Prince thing and leave it at that - just people loving people. Primary school goes upto age 11 Some kids are getting feelings at that age that they maybe to young to really understand, maybe by teaching them about gay relationships it may help explain their feelings and that they are OK to feel that way As the parent of an 11 year old I'm up to date with that thanks
They've had "the talk".
That wasn't my point - my point was that it doesn't need to be about sex - it can just be about life.".. It wasn't about sex though | |||
"I remember sex ed in primary school and watching a video of a woman give birth. So its not too young as i was 9 then going back almost 21 years!
Id be happy for this to be put on at my childrens school
If you are going to make childbirth part of sex then im celibate thanks. one aspect of the lessons we were fiven the talk too. First year of secondary we were tauught how to use a condom with a banana. ....i suspect a lot of the hot pics went to my school now i think about it...
a banana ? I'm settling for nothing less than a giant marrow" | |||
"It wasn't about sex though " FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex. | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex." Stop using that language in a primary school thread..... | |||
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"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex. Stop using that language in a primary school thread..... " | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex." .. Wow.. Don't speak to me like that.. I have read it.. It was not about sex. The only references to sex where made by parents on Facebook | |||
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"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex." Cough ...... it says sex TWICE I think. The word SEX was made by one of the parents on facebook. T H E P L A Y w a s n o t a b o u t SEX. Reading is so much more than recognising words. | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex." Yeah all by parents kicking a stink up on face book The play wasn't a sex education class the school didn't teach sex it was just parents twisting it because it was a same sex marriage Had the play been about a man and woman getting married how many parent do you think would have bothered to post about it? This is why I hate facebook | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex." from what it says they've been taught I get nothing about it being about sex , a play, appropriate use of a word and making a banner. It's the parents comments that are making it about sex | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex. .. Wow.. Don't speak to me like that.. I have read it.. It was not about sex. The only references to sex where made by parents on Facebook " Wow.. Don't tell me how to speak..
"It" is the topic being discussed.
"It" was made into an issue about sex.
"It" was my point that the topic did not need to be an issue about sex, it only becomes an issue when people assume it to be about sex, hence my very first comment.
"It" helps when people follow the topic, rather than dive in just because they're bored and pick out bits of the conversation that suit their interest in picking a fight.
I hope that explains "it". | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex. .. Wow.. Don't speak to me like that.. I have read it.. It was not about sex. The only references to sex where made by parents on Facebook Wow.. Don't tell me how to speak..
"It" is the topic being discussed.
"It" was made into an issue about sex.
"It" was my point that the topic did not need to be an issue about sex, it only becomes an issue when people assume it to be about sex, hence my very first comment.
"It" helps when people follow the topic, rather than dive in just because they're bored and pick out bits of the conversation that suit their interest in picking a fight.
I hope that explains "it"."Keep digging | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex. Yeah all by parents kicking a stink up on face book The play wasn't a sex education class the school didn't teach sex it was just parents twisting it because it was a same sex marriage Had the play been about a man and woman getting married how many parent do you think would have bothered to post about it? This is why I hate facebook "The point, i think, that i was making at least, is if i can be taught sex stuff at that age then how is a play that just has to males in a relationship not appropriate for their age? | |||
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"It would be lovely for young children to be able to see diversity at face value and not just peoples sexuality it was a great day they started intergrating special needs downs syndrome children into main stream education. Hopefully these children will be growing up where they don't blink an eye seeing two men or women walking holding hands "
I think it's a good thing.
Although the baying parents won't be teaching the kids anything good.  | |||
"the reaction by some of the parents would possibly indicate that such things are necessary.. " | |||
" Although the baying parents won't be teaching the kids anything good. "How to pray the ghey away maybe | |||
"It would be lovely for young children to be able to see diversity at face value and not just peoples sexuality it was a great day they started intergrating special needs downs syndrome children into main stream education. Hopefully these children will be growing up where they don't blink an eye seeing two men or women walking holding hands
I think it's a good thing.
Although the baying parents won't be teaching the kids anything good. "and that sadly is why we will never move completly forward. | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex. .. Wow.. Don't speak to me like that.. I have read it.. It was not about sex. The only references to sex where made by parents on Facebook Wow.. Don't tell me how to speak..
"It" is the topic being discussed.
"It" was made into an issue about sex.
"It" was my point that the topic did not need to be an issue about sex, it only becomes an issue when people assume it to be about sex, hence my very first comment.
"It" helps when people follow the topic, rather than dive in just because they're bored and pick out bits of the conversation that suit their interest in picking a fight.
I hope that explains "it".".. All I have for from you is that you don't know how to speak to women properly..and that I will not be replying to anything else you say. No need for swearing and aggression while having a discussion. | |||
" and that sadly is why we will never move completly forward."We've come a long way in a short time to be fair - when I think back to the language of my parents | |||
"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex. .. Wow.. Don't speak to me like that.. I have read it.. It was not about sex. The only references to sex where made by parents on Facebook Wow.. Don't tell me how to speak..
"It" is the topic being discussed.
"It" was made into an issue about sex.
"It" was my point that the topic did not need to be an issue about sex, it only becomes an issue when people assume it to be about sex, hence my very first comment.
"It" helps when people follow the topic, rather than dive in just because they're bored and pick out bits of the conversation that suit their interest in picking a fight.
I hope that explains "it".
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All I have for from you is that you don't know how to speak to women properly..and that I will not be replying to anything else you say. No need for swearing and aggression while having a discussion. ".. Learnt * not for | |||
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"All I have for from you is that you don't know how to speak to women properly..and that I will not be replying to anything else you say. No need for swearing and aggression while having a discussion. " Oh, how disappointing. Here's my sad face 
I'm over it now | |||
" and that sadly is why we will never move completly forward.
We've come a long way in a short time to be fair - when I think back to the language of my parents "It's a complete shocker to see how fast LGBT rights have been won legislatively. To think a country like Ireland, given it's conservative religious history, would vote overwhelmingly for marriage equality would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. | |||
" and that sadly is why we will never move completly forward.
We've come a long way in a short time to be fair - when I think back to the language of my parents
It's a complete shocker to see how fast LGBT rights have been won legislatively.
To think a country like Ireland, given it's conservative religious history, would vote overwhelmingly for marriage equality would have been unthinkable 10 years ago."eye opening, for the right reasons | |||
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"What do you think OP?" It saddens me that there is even a need for such workshops. | |||
"What do you think OP? It saddens me that there is even a need for such workshops. " .. | |||
"What do you think OP? It saddens me that there is even a need for such workshops. " Agree. Perhaps the kids can teach their parents. | |||
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"I think that if a head teacher of any Roman Catholic Church school does something so against the teachings of that faith they can expect a strong backlash probably ending in them losing their job. 10 out of 10 for the moral courage to address the issue, however I think it may prove to be very toxic Ms Morrows' career. " Pope Francis - July 2015:- "if someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" I think the current RC stance is that of tolerance towards committed, loving single sex relationships. Welcome to the 21st Century. | |||
"Pope Francis - July 2015:- "if someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" I think the current RC stance is that of tolerance towards committed, loving single sex relationships. Welcome to the 21st Century." If my memory serves, it is less than 5 years since the Roman Catholic Church in England threatened to close all it's schools if it was forced to teach sex education and about the same length of time since they refused to marry gay couples in Catholic churches and said if forced to they would stop marrying anyone. I doubt if the priests who took that stance 5 years ago will have changed their private opinions or that their parishioners will have dropped a lifetimes indoctrination because of one statement by a new pope (I dont think it was a Papal C). Also having relatives who are both nuns and priests I am quite sure that the more conservative members of the parish will be the ones who will engineer the removal of Ms morrow. I hope I am proven wrong, but doubt it. | |||
"I think that if a head teacher of any Roman Catholic Church school does something so against the teachings of that faith they can expect a strong backlash probably ending in them losing their job. 10 out of 10 for the moral courage to address the issue, however I think it may prove to be very toxic Ms Morrows' career. Pope Francis - July 2015:- "if someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" I think the current RC stance is that of tolerance towards committed, loving single sex relationships. Welcome to the 21st Century." What is they're not searching for the Lord though?  | |||
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"Personally I think it's a bit young to specifically teach it. Perfectly ok to explain it if the subject comes up." Given what is talked about in the school yard, primary school isn't too young. | |||
"They won't have been taught ANYTHING about S.E.X. They saw a play about gay relationships. They will have learned about appropriate and inappropriate actions towards peoples sexuality. They must have witnessed a zillion gay relationships in Soap Operas. I bet their parents don't stop them watching those." Well said as usual Granny! | |||
"I'd rather have my children learn about gay love, than homophobic hate " | |||
"I think that if a head teacher of any Roman Catholic Church school does something so against the teachings of that faith they can expect a strong backlash probably ending in them losing their job. 10 out of 10 for the moral courage to address the issue, however I think it may prove to be very toxic Ms Morrows' career. Pope Francis - July 2015:- "if someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" I think the current RC stance is that of tolerance towards committed, loving single sex relationships. Welcome to the 21st Century." My church specifically welcomes people who have historically been excluded from the Catholic Church - divorced, unmarried couples, homosexual couples etc. On its website, in the newsletters, in the welcomes given by the priest. It's been that way for a few years now. And I left catholic school 13 years ago but even back then I felt we got at least as much education about same sex relationships as my friends at state school did. | |||
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"I don't think it should be brought up but a natural teaching x" Some children will be surrounded by family, friends and religious folk who are highly homophobic. As such if it allows them to understand themselves and others better, rather than from hate, it's a great thing. I was in Soho in 1999 when the bomb exploded in the Admiral Duncan gay pub. All sexualities were injured and died because of hatred against gay people. I will never forget that moment nor stop in my push to help others live happier lives. Gay people are just as acceptable as straight and there is no need to continue marginalisation of them. Education is mandatory and is an ideal place to help form attitudes that are sound. If it prevents any gay or bi people from committing suicide or self-harming then it is essential. | |||
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"Personally I think it's a bit young to specifically teach it. Perfectly ok to explain it if the subject comes up." It's ok to teach that men and women fall in love, but not that men and men fall in love? Our school plays for years were about princes and princesses falling in love. | |||
"Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. " I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. | |||
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"I don't think it should be brought up but a natural teaching x Some children will be surrounded by family, friends and religious folk who are highly homophobic. As such if it allows them to understand themselves and others better, rather than from hate, it's a great thing. I was in Soho in 1999 when the bomb exploded in the Admiral Duncan gay pub. All sexualities were injured and died because of hatred against gay people. I will never forget that moment nor stop in my push to help others live happier lives. Gay people are just as acceptable as straight and there is no need to continue marginalisation of them. Education is mandatory and is an ideal place to help form attitudes that are sound. If it prevents any gay or bi people from committing suicide or self-harming then it is essential." I agree completely with this. Teaching about LBGT diversity in a safe appropriate manner to all children, may enable teenagers and young adults to understand and be comfortable with themselves in whatever type of relationship they choose in the future. | |||
"I think that if a head teacher of any Roman Catholic Church school does something so against the teachings of that faith they can expect a strong backlash probably ending in them losing their job. 10 out of 10 for the moral courage to address the issue, however I think it may prove to be very toxic Ms Morrows' career. Pope Francis - July 2015:- "if someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" I think the current RC stance is that of tolerance towards committed, loving single sex relationships. Welcome to the 21st Century."
The Catolic Church does not exclude Gay people from its congregation. Gay people are encouraged to take a blessing instead if that are in a Gay sexual relationship; that is all. It will be no different for any other person, male, female, gay, bi, TV/TS on this website
If children are old enough to be taught about heterosexual relationships (not sex) then they are old enough to be taught about gay relationships too
Well done to Sacred Hearts for standing up against a Chav | |||
"Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education." If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented. | |||
"Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented." *obvs it's part of the curriculum but I think is you're looking to teach it in a different way then it's good idea to keep parents informed. | |||
"Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented." The school did. Some parents read the letter and attended the play Mr Marsh did not read the letter and only learnt about the play when his son told him about it. Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write | |||
"Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write" | |||
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"It wasn't about sex though FFS - read the first fucking post. Several references to it being all about sex." | |||
"Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented. The school did. Some parents read the letter and attended the play Mr Marsh did not read the letter and only learnt about the play when his son told him about it. Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write" I was merely answering the OP's intial question: Should it have consulted parents first ? I'm not against the school at all but I still believe consent forms would have worked better in this instance as Mr Marsh's son wouldn't have been able to attend. (Kids don't always bring letters home / parents don't always read them.) | |||
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"Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented. The school did. Some parents read the letter and attended the play Mr Marsh did not read the letter and only learnt about the play when his son told him about it. Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write I was merely answering the OP's intial question: Should it have consulted parents first ? I'm not against the school at all but I still believe consent forms would have worked better in this instance as Mr Marsh's son wouldn't have been able to attend. (Kids don't always bring letters home / parents don't always read them.) " I don't know if letters were mailed or given to children to show their parents. Some parents read the letters and attended the play and found it to be "age appropriate" I agree; if consent forms are the norm before a Romeo & Juliet play is planned then consent forms should be required before a Juliet & Juliet play too | |||
"Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented. The school did. Some parents read the letter and attended the play Mr Marsh did not read the letter and only learnt about the play when his son told him about it. Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write I was merely answering the OP's intial question: Should it have consulted parents first ? I'm not against the school at all but I still believe consent forms would have worked better in this instance as Mr Marsh's son wouldn't have been able to attend. (Kids don't always bring letters home / parents don't always read them.) " | |||
"Good point(re: consent letters) but I don't think in this case they should have, or needed to. I think it says more about parents if they get shocked by such a banal,normal part of every day life for many, many people than it does about the school! Maybe if they had been exposed to/ been taught about such topics when they were young they wouldn't bat an eyelid. In fact be pleasantly surprised. Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented. The school did. Some parents read the letter and attended the play Mr Marsh did not read the letter and only learnt about the play when his son told him about it. Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write I was merely answering the OP's intial question: Should it have consulted parents first ? I'm not against the school at all but I still believe consent forms would have worked better in this instance as Mr Marsh's son wouldn't have been able to attend. (Kids don't always bring letters home / parents don't always read them.) " It's irrelevant whether you or I think children should be opted in or out, parental consent in schools is everything and safeguards them against this type of backlash whether it's teaching sexual diversity or consenting to little Johnny tasting food in home economics. | |||
" However, in the same breath, I will say I think they should wait til at least junior school, I wouldn't want my child knowing anything about anything too early, gay, straight or otherwise! **steps off soapbox**" I agree. Lets remove all books about traditional 'prince and princess' faerietales from children who aren't yet junior school age. And ban couples from appearing at the school gates together. Children shouldn't be taught about straight relationships from an early age. | |||
"Good point(re: consent letters) but I don't think in this case they should have, or needed to. I think it says more about parents if they get shocked by such a banal,normal part of every day life for many, many people than it does about the school! Maybe if they had been exposed to/ been taught about such topics when they were young they wouldn't bat an eyelid. In fact be pleasantly surprised. Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented. The school did. Some parents read the letter and attended the play Mr Marsh did not read the letter and only learnt about the play when his son told him about it. Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write I was merely answering the OP's intial question: Should it have consulted parents first ? I'm not against the school at all but I still believe consent forms would have worked better in this instance as Mr Marsh's son wouldn't have been able to attend. (Kids don't always bring letters home / parents don't always read them.) It's irrelevant whether you or I think children should be opted in or out, parental consent in schools is everything and safeguards them against this type of backlash whether it's teaching sexual diversity or consenting to little Johnny tasting food in home economics. " | |||
" However, in the same breath, I will say I think they should wait til at least junior school, I wouldn't want my child knowing anything about anything too early, gay, straight or otherwise! **steps off soapbox** I agree. Lets remove all books about traditional 'prince and princess' faerietales from children who aren't yet junior school age. And ban couples from appearing at the school gates together. Children shouldn't be taught about straight relationships from an early age." You have only taken a portion of what I said there which makes it very out of context and rather unfair. My point was though I had a happy childhood that knew little of sex til I was about ten so where is the harm in keeping it just fun, reading and writing til the age of 7?! They don't NEED to know at that stuff at that age as kids then are generally innocent enough to accept things anyway. | |||
" However, in the same breath, I will say I think they should wait til at least junior school, I wouldn't want my child knowing anything about anything too early, gay, straight or otherwise! **steps off soapbox** I agree. Lets remove all books about traditional 'prince and princess' faerietales from children who aren't yet junior school age. And ban couples from appearing at the school gates together. Children shouldn't be taught about straight relationships from an early age. You have only taken a portion of what I said there which makes it very out of context and rather unfair. My point was though I had a happy childhood that knew little of sex til I was about ten so where is the harm in keeping it just fun, reading and writing til the age of 7?! They don't NEED to know at that stuff at that age as kids then are generally innocent enough to accept things anyway." And just to clatify I meant they don't need to know about ANY relationships at that point. They're little kids.... | |||
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"As a potential teacher I was asked to stand up against teaching children about homosexual relationships because it was 'wrong' apparently... I out right refused. I don't see anything 'wrong' in it and I think it's good to teach children about it so they know it's not a bad thing. Once they get to secondary school it will all be exposed to them, what then? At least if they know about it prior they won't be so narrow minded .... I am all for teaching children about these things so they know it's okay. " | |||
"Think children should be left as children there,s to much of it pushed down there throats they want a childhood we all found our way in life" This is all well and truly good but with the way the education system is at the minute children being left to be children is a concept that has been long lost.... With the advances in society innocence is lost at a very young age. I personally from own experiences wish I had been told about homosexuals existing when I was a child. I wasn't exposed to it until I was 15 and my first initial thoughts were to my shame .... I am fully ashamed of myself and it took me a few years to actually realise that it's not a bad thing ... If I had been educated about it earlier maybe I wouldn't have been such a small minded judgemental bitch | |||
"Think children should be left as children there,s to much of it pushed down there throats they want a childhood we all found our way in life This is all well and truly good but with the way the education system is at the minute children being left to be children is a concept that has been long lost.... With the advances in society innocence is lost at a very young age. I personally from own experiences wish I had been told about homosexuals existing when I was a child. I wasn't exposed to it until I was 15 and my first initial thoughts were to my shame .... I am fully ashamed of myself and it took me a few years to actually realise that it's not a bad thing ... If I had been educated about it earlier maybe I wouldn't have been such a small minded judgemental bitch " I agree it should all be taught (see my response above about my gay teen living in this area) but at what age to start? Pre 7 they probably don't even get it!? | |||
"Think children should be left as children there,s to much of it pushed down there throats they want a childhood we all found our way in life" a report this week stated that even today just under 25% of young females are starting their menstruation with no prior information from their parents/guardians.. agree that there is for some a rush to have their young children dressed like teenagers etc but some things are necessary to prepare kids for what life is, differences etc.. | |||
"Think children should be left as children there,s to much of it pushed down there throats they want a childhood we all found our way in life This is all well and truly good but with the way the education system is at the minute children being left to be children is a concept that has been long lost.... With the advances in society innocence is lost at a very young age. I personally from own experiences wish I had been told about homosexuals existing when I was a child. I wasn't exposed to it until I was 15 and my first initial thoughts were to my shame .... I am fully ashamed of myself and it took me a few years to actually realise that it's not a bad thing ... If I had been educated about it earlier maybe I wouldn't have been such a small minded judgemental bitch I agree it should all be taught (see my response above about my gay teen living in this area) but at what age to start? Pre 7 they probably don't even get it!?" | |||
" I agree it should all be taught (see my response above about my gay teen living in this area) but at what age to start? Pre 7 they probably don't even get it!?" I currently work with 6 year olds and you will be surprised as to how much they understand .... Sometimes I forget they are 6 cos they are so mature. It's that generation shift. They are being exposed to much more nowadays at a younger age that they actually understand a lot more when we think they don't. It's like the story in the papers and other things when u hear 7 year olds claiming they are gay? Are they still too young to understand the concept at 7? | |||
" I agree it should all be taught (see my response above about my gay teen living in this area) but at what age to start? Pre 7 they probably don't even get it!? I currently work with 6 year olds and you will be surprised as to how much they understand .... Sometimes I forget they are 6 cos they are so mature. It's that generation shift. They are being exposed to much more nowadays at a younger age that they actually understand a lot more when we think they don't. It's like the story in the papers and other things when u hear 7 year olds claiming they are gay? Are they still too young to understand the concept at 7? " I knew from a similar age my son was gay - I knew before he did, and there are family around who are gay, but he thought nothing of it. Not cause he was taught that at school, cause of the innocence and acceptance of kids I suppose? He felt kinda guilty about coming out at 13 (nearly 15 now) cause it's still not been talked about much in his school other than being skirted over as just something that happens..... I will just point out that gilt was not to do with me. My son and I have a great relationship | |||
"I think it should be taught as soon as a child starts asking questions/developing crushes/attachments to others in their class, whether that be MF, MM, or FF. In fact that might be too late from one perspective(preparing them, that is). But to be honest as soon as they're in a class they're exploring what it means to have a relationship with other people. I'm not saying they should be taught about gay relationships per se, that would be silly at five or six, just that it's okay to love someone who is the same gender as themselves" It's about teaching children that being different is okay. There is a video (called my chacha is gay) and it's about teaching children it's okay to be different and isn't an overload of information. It's what some at the school wanted to ban. But I think showing children such a video is okay | |||
" I agree it should all be taught (see my response above about my gay teen living in this area) but at what age to start? Pre 7 they probably don't even get it!? I currently work with 6 year olds and you will be surprised as to how much they understand .... Sometimes I forget they are 6 cos they are so mature. It's that generation shift. They are being exposed to much more nowadays at a younger age that they actually understand a lot more when we think they don't. It's like the story in the papers and other things when u hear 7 year olds claiming they are gay? Are they still too young to understand the concept at 7? I knew from a similar age my son was gay - I knew before he did, and there are family around who are gay, but he thought nothing of it. Not cause he was taught that at school, cause of the innocence and acceptance of kids I suppose? He felt kinda guilty about coming out at 13 (nearly 15 now) cause it's still not been talked about much in his school other than being skirted over as just something that happens..... I will just point out that gilt was not to do with me. My son and I have a great relationship " | |||
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"If they are old enough to watch a play /read a book about Prince and princesses.. Then they are old enough to watch a play /read a book about prince's and prince's or princesses and Princesses. My kids have been taught from an early age that everyone.. Straight, gay,able bodied, disabled, a genius, learning difficulties,different race,different religion. etc etc... Are all equals and should be treated exactly the same. No one is odd or wrong because they are different.. And all parents should teach the same... But it's never going to happen. Schools as a neutral Base for learning should teach diversity and acceptance in every walk of life. " | |||
"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ?" parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us      | |||
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"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us "Chemistry, Physics? What about Zoology, Botany? Social Studies, Civics? Geography? | |||
"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us
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"Sorry. Meant to add: and be happy for teachers to do nothing to sort it out, or prevent it, because parents would rather they just taught English and maths? Cos that's the logical outcome of such a prescribed view on 'education'." .. quoting upside down... Is really really confusing to read | |||
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"Sorry. Meant to add: and be happy for teachers to do nothing to sort it out, or prevent it, because parents would rather they just taught English and maths? Cos that's the logical outcome of such a prescribed view on 'education'. Is this better? Mea culpa; I need educating on how to do it right..
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"Sorry. Meant to add: and be happy for teachers to do nothing to sort it out, or prevent it, because parents would rather they just taught English and maths? Cos that's the logical outcome of such a prescribed view on 'education'. Is this better? Mea culpa; I need educating on how to do it right..
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" However, in the same breath, I will say I think they should wait til at least junior school, I wouldn't want my child knowing anything about anything too early, gay, straight or otherwise! **steps off soapbox** I agree. Lets remove all books about traditional 'prince and princess' faerietales from children who aren't yet junior school age. And ban couples from appearing at the school gates together. Children shouldn't be taught about straight relationships from an early age. You have only taken a portion of what I said there which makes it very out of context and rather unfair. My point was though I had a happy childhood that knew little of sex til I was about ten so where is the harm in keeping it just fun, reading and writing til the age of 7?! They don't NEED to know at that stuff at that age as kids then are generally innocent enough to accept things anyway. And just to clatify I meant they don't need to know about ANY relationships at that point. They're little kids.... " My point was that most children are taught about straight relationships from the day they're born. So why are non-straight relationships any different? | |||
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"WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SEX HERE. Yes i shouted that because there's a lot of comments about sex being taught in primary schools etc and that isn't what happened. It was a FUCKING FAIRYTALE. If you find anything sexual about 2 princes falling in love with each other maybe you should think about how it is any different to any other fairytale where 2 people fall in love (that's like 80% of them right?) and have a serious word with yourself ya bloody perv "The point a few asked was are they too yoing? and the point many have made is...if kids have sex education at that age then why are they too young to see a fairytale with two men in it. The first question a kid asks is but how does that work? So it will lead to conversations about sex!!!! If you think it wont then....SHOUTY CAPITALS | |||
"WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SEX HERE. Yes i shouted that because there's a lot of comments about sex being taught in primary schools etc and that isn't what happened. It was a FUCKING FAIRYTALE. If you find anything sexual about 2 princes falling in love with each other maybe you should think about how it is any different to any other fairytale where 2 people fall in love (that's like 80% of them right?) and have a serious word with yourself ya bloody perv "
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" Strike early to blast the hate and intolerance that some would teach. I'd abandon faith schools, which I view as child abuse." Trying to work out if the double standard there is ironic satire or not. | |||
"Erm. Backlash against the kids' welfare or against the parents? Or school? I'm not attempting to be facetious by the way! Good point(re: consent letters) but I don't think in this case they should have, or needed to. I think it says more about parents if they get shocked by such a banal,normal part of every day life for many, many people than it does about the school! Maybe if they had been exposed to/ been taught about such topics when they were young they wouldn't bat an eyelid. In fact be pleasantly surprised. Our school notifies if an outside production company is going to perform or do a workshop, the letter will outline the content. You then return the slip with a Yes or No to consent, an easy & effective way. I'm surprised the school didn't adopt this procedure, safeguards against any flack at a later date. I don't think that people should have the right to opt out their children from LGBT education. If it's not part of the curriculum the parents have the right to opt out their children, would be the same if the visiting theatre company put on an adaption of Snow White. If it's part of the curriculum then it's a different matter. All I'm saying is if the school notified parents of their intent this may not have blown up on the scale it has. And FWIW I think it was a brave move by the school and I would have consented. The school did. Some parents read the letter and attended the play Mr Marsh did not read the letter and only learnt about the play when his son told him about it. Mr Marsh should attend school to learn to read and write I was merely answering the OP's intial question: Should it have consulted parents first ? I'm not against the school at all but I still believe consent forms would have worked better in this instance as Mr Marsh's son wouldn't have been able to attend. (Kids don't always bring letters home / parents don't always read them.) It's irrelevant whether you or I think children should be opted in or out, parental consent in schools is everything and safeguards them against this type of backlash whether it's teaching sexual diversity or consenting to little Johnny tasting food in home economics. " Backlash against the school from the likes of the Mr Marshes out there. Parental consent works both ways. School / parents / children should be working as a partnership, always | |||
"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us
Chemistry, Physics? What about Zoology, Botany? Social Studies, Civics? Geography?"life after education will teach them all the negatives ,a teacher's personal choices shouldn't come before mine as the parent ,so in this instance I disagree with what she did and as the parent if something some would see as a controversial subject then the parents should be consulted ,they are my children not the schools | |||
"so in this instance I disagree with what she did and as the parent if something some would see as a controversial subject then the parents should be consulted ,they are my children not the schools "Is a play about two men who like each other romantically more controversial about a play about a man who likes a woman? Would you expect to be consulted if the school was putting on a play where the male character fell in love with a woman? | |||
"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us
Chemistry, Physics? What about Zoology, Botany? Social Studies, Civics? Geography? life after education will teach them all the negatives ,a teacher's personal choices shouldn't come before mine as the parent ,so in this instance I disagree with what she did and as the parent if something some would see as a controversial subject then the parents should be consulted ,they are my children not the schools "And that the Earth is round and not flat? | |||
"Yeah. And when they try to beat the crap out of each other in the playground because they're being picked on, or are depressed or don't want to come to, or participate in school(relating to body image, their race, sexuality, ethnicity, etc etc)tehn you as a parent won't give a shit as long as they're being taught Maths and English. Are you that uncaring?? From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us
Chemistry, Physics? What about Zoology, Botany? Social Studies, Civics? Geography?"hey if you are going to quote me at least have a sensible argument my daughter's have ended up well rounded in every aspect of life ,they had two parents who loved them and loved eachother they've travelled the world and they both went to schools colleges university that advised the parents ,parents being the operative word here what they were doing ,one of my daughter's was for a few weeks bullied but once she told me about and I advised her how to deal with it it stopped ,the choice made by that teacher was a choice that I would have liked to be informed about end of ,I can see how the parent concerned was angry .My children are not racist or homophobic but they are MY children and always will be ,laws have to be adhered to but education is just that subjects and the data that forms them ,life issues are for the parents especially at that young age | |||
"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us
Chemistry, Physics? What about Zoology, Botany? Social Studies, Civics? Geography? life after education will teach them all the negatives ,a teacher's personal choices shouldn't come before mine as the parent ,so in this instance I disagree with what she did and as the parent if something some would see as a controversial subject then the parents should be consulted ,they are my children not the schools
And that the Earth is round and not flat?"I seem to recall you don't have children and you are being sarcastic anyway x | |||
"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us
Chemistry, Physics? What about Zoology, Botany? Social Studies, Civics? Geography? life after education will teach them all the negatives ,a teacher's personal choices shouldn't come before mine as the parent ,so in this instance I disagree with what she did and as the parent if something some would see as a controversial subject then the parents should be consulted ,they are my children not the schools
And that the Earth is round and not flat? I seem to recall you don't have children and you are being sarcastic anyway x "You are correct; I do not have any children. But I will be affected by other people's children and my taxes too contribute towards their education, unless they are in private schools I do not want a society of half-literates and bigots Children should be taught in a balanced environment. If they are being taught that heterosexual relationships are acceptable then they should be taught that non-heterosexual relationships are acceptable too Parents who are accepting state funding through tax-payers but only want a one-sided education pandering to their personal bias, may wish to consider home-schooling | |||
"From tonights Manchester Evening News : A headteacher has vowed to stand up to homophobia after a “gay play” staged at her primary school sparked a row on social media. Carrie Morrow, head of Sacred Heart RC Primary in Atherton, near Wigan , was shocked when a gay-friendly workshop aimed at teaching children about diversity was blasted by parents on Facebook. The comments, posted by a “small minority”, came after a theatre company performed a fairytale where two princes fall in love. Writing on Facebook, dad Julian Marsh said he was annoyed when his son came home “talking about gays, saying he had learned about gays.” Mr Marsh and another man were reported to the police by another Facebook user, and have since been spoken to by officers in the area. The head of Sacred Heart says she is proud to be one of the first schools in the area to publicly stand up to homophobia. Ms Morrow, who has worked at the school for 13 years, said: “We are very proud of what we have done. “I know for some schools it is not an easy aspect of the curriculum to teach, but our pupils handled it with maturity and sensitivity. “We have been quite bold and it has not been without some negativity from the community. “We are not intimidated as we know such homophobic attitudes are in the minority.” As well as the play, children learned about when it was appropriate to use the word gay, and were asked to design a logo for Wigan’s first Pride festival in August. Yet Mr Marsh accused the school of ‘social engineering” on Facebook. In a public post, he wrote: “I think people who promote PC sex to kids below 11 border on paedophilia and are depraved. “It has nothing to do with gay sex that upset us but the lack of parental consent, a bit like finding the school had decided it has the right to vaccinate your kids for you and did it without your consent because it knows best.” When Mr Marsh was approached by the MEN, he said he was not homophobic and did not wish to comment further. A GMP spokesman said: “Shortly after 10:25pm on Sunday 28 February 2016, police were called to reports that a number of homophobic comments had been made on Facebook. “This was investigated as a hate incident but it was determined that the comments did not amount to a criminal offence. “Local resolution officers spoke to all parties involved and advised two men of their future conduct on social media.” So : Is the school right to 'teach' diversity to primary aged children ? Should it have consulted parents first ? Were the parents in question right or wrong in publishing their thoughts and comments ? parents should always be consulted we are entrusting our children to them to be educated not indoctrinated, our values rule until they are old enough to make their own decisions teach about maths and English life should be left to us
Chemistry, Physics? What about Zoology, Botany? Social Studies, Civics? Geography? life after education will teach them all the negatives ,a teacher's personal choices shouldn't come before mine as the parent ,so in this instance I disagree with what she did and as the parent if something some would see as a controversial subject then the parents should be consulted ,they are my children not the schools
And that the Earth is round and not flat? I seem to recall you don't have children and you are being sarcastic anyway x
You are correct; I do not have any children. But I will be affected by other people's children and my taxes too contribute towards their education, unless they are in private schools
I do not want a society of half-literates and bigots
Children should be taught in a balanced environment. If they are being taught that heterosexual relationships are acceptable then they should be taught that non-heterosexual relationships are acceptable too
Parents who are accepting state funding through tax-payers but only want a one-sided education pandering to their personal bias, may wish to consider home-schooling"what a load of ballocks until you've got children and see what outside influences mean you have no idea, as much as a parent can do to protect their children from this corrupt immoralistic world is as much as they should do, my girls are lovely and its a testament to me and my ex that they are ,bigots will still exist contrary to my efforts but its only due to the effort of the good people out their who are not afraid to speak up and protect young people ,paying for something entitles you to zip or at least that's your theory on clubs ,having children of your own and safe guarding their impressionable minds at that young age is down to the parent ,bad parents exist and we can't change that but the good ones should stay in control | |||
"... You are correct; I do not have any children. But I will be affected by other people's children and my taxes too contribute towards their education, unless they are in private schools I do not want a society of half-literates and bigots Children should be taught in a balanced environment. If they are being taught that heterosexual relationships are acceptable then they should be taught that non-heterosexual relationships are acceptable too Parents who are accepting state funding through tax-payers but only want a one-sided education pandering to their personal bias, may wish to consider home-schooling what a load of ballocks until you've got children and see what outside influences mean you have no idea, as much as a parent can do to protect their children from this corrupt immoralistic world is as much as they should do, my girls are lovely and its a testament to me and my ex that they are ,bigots will still exist contrary to my efforts but its only due to the effort of the good people out their who are not afraid to speak up and protect young people ,paying for something entitles you to zip or at least that's your theory on clubs ,having children of your own and safe guarding their impressionable minds at that young age is down to the parent ,bad parents exist and we can't change that but the good ones should stay in control "I am afraid that your foul language neither adds to your argument nor to your assertion that you are best placed to decide what all children should be taught What all children, using state funding, should be taught is a collective decision Some may wish for their children not to be taught Darwinism and they have every right to take their children out of state funded schools and either home-school them or to place them in special schools which they fund themselves Your argument, if one can call that an argument for it now reads like a tirade, is further eroded by the fact that the school in question did go ahead with the play and it was Mr Marsh's behaviour, which is not much unlike yours, attracted police attention Furthermore, your reference to swinger’s club entry fee adds nothing intelligent to your argument and only serves the purpose of cementing the view of you as a bitter and twisted man And a very good day to you too | |||
"what a load of ballocks until you've got children and see what outside influences mean you have no idea, as much as a parent can do to protect their children from this corrupt immoralistic world is as much as they should do" Oh... are same-sex romances part of this corrupt and immoral world that you are suggesting exists in the context of this thread? | |||
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"Why is it people in this world will preach understanding and acceptance, but will not understand and accept that people have a different view to the politically correct stance. I have no issue with what the teacher did but can see how it could annoy or upset somone who has strong views against homosexuality, especially given the religious context of the school. Surely someone is just as justified to be angry in having something that is still controversial to many (whether it should or should not be controversial is an argument for another time) pushed on to their child, as those who will be angry if the subject was not broached at all. " Nothing wrong with having an opposing view. But the State is Politically Correct and those who wish to avail themselves of the benefits the State makes available, will have to accept those Politically Correct views or attempt to alter these through legal channels Racial diversity is also another divisive issue addressed in State schools. If every parent was left to choose what is and what isn't controversial, then the State education system will face and uphill struggle What the head-teacher did was absolutely correct. She presented a balanced view of relationships in Britain in the 21st century. Mr Marsh's response to that was homophobic comments on Facebook which earned him a visit from, I believe, the Constabulary Catholic schools have been criticised in the past for not presenting a balanced view on relationships. It appears that these schools are now acting upon those criticisms for the better | |||
"Why is it people in this world will preach understanding and acceptance, but will not understand and accept that people have a different view to the politically correct stance. I have no issue with what the teacher did but can see how it could annoy or upset somone who has strong views against homosexuality, especially given the religious context of the school. Surely someone is just as justified to be angry in having something that is still controversial to many (whether it should or should not be controversial is an argument for another time) pushed on to their child, as those who will be angry if the subject was not broached at all. Nothing wrong with having an opposing view. But the State is Politically Correct and those who wish to avail themselves of the benefits the State makes available, will have to accept those Politically Correct views or attempt to alter these through legal channels Racial diversity is also another divisive issue addressed in State schools. If every parent was left to choose what is and what isn't controversial, then the State education system will face and uphill struggle What the head-teacher did was absolutely correct. She presented a balanced view of relationships in Britain in the 21st century. Mr Marsh's response to that was homophobic comments on Facebook which earned him a visit from, I believe, the Constabulary Catholic schools have been criticised in the past for not presenting a balanced view on relationships. It appears that these schools are now acting upon those criticisms for the better" And the said police said no crime was committed. So, even if he is a homophobic arse, his actions were within the law. | |||
"Why is it people in this world will preach understanding and acceptance, but will not understand and accept that people have a different view to the politically correct stance. I have no issue with what the teacher did but can see how it could annoy or upset somone who has strong views against homosexuality, especially given the religious context of the school. Surely someone is just as justified to be angry in having something that is still controversial to many (whether it should or should not be controversial is an argument for another time) pushed on to their child, as those who will be angry if the subject was not broached at all. Nothing wrong with having an opposing view. But the State is Politically Correct and those who wish to avail themselves of the benefits the State makes available, will have to accept those Politically Correct views or attempt to alter these through legal channels Racial diversity is also another divisive issue addressed in State schools. If every parent was left to choose what is and what isn't controversial, then the State education system will face and uphill struggle What the head-teacher did was absolutely correct. She presented a balanced view of relationships in Britain in the 21st century. Mr Marsh's response to that was homophobic comments on Facebook which earned him a visit from, I believe, the Constabulary Catholic schools have been criticised in the past for not presenting a balanced view on relationships. It appears that these schools are now acting upon those criticisms for the better And the said police said no crime was committed. So, even if he is a homophobic arse, his actions were within the law." Yes, that is correct. Writing homophobic comments or racist comments is not a criminal offence until these incite others to carry out harm to any group of people. That is the law If enough people lobbied to change the law then perhaps it can be made into a criminal offence but personally, that would not sit comfortably with me | |||
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"Holy fuck. I've seen it all now...swinging club pricing structures being used as part of an 'argument' about why schools shouldn't teach about same sex relationships. .
But then I'm also childless, so can't have an opinion "The beauty of Fab
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"Holy fuck. I've seen it all now...swinging club pricing structures being used as part of an 'argument' about why schools shouldn't teach about same sex relationships. .
But then I'm also childless, so can't have an opinion
The beauty of Fab
Though I threw in an off-topic remark about faith schools. "While I disagreed with you on that, it was at least totally relevant to the thread | |||
"Holy fuck. I've seen it all now...swinging club pricing structures being used as part of an 'argument' about why schools shouldn't teach about same sex relationships. .
But then I'm also childless, so can't have an opinion
The beauty of Fab
Though I threw in an off-topic remark about faith schools.
While I disagreed with you on that, it was at least totally relevant to the thread "I'm still not sure if it was relevant - but I can adopt a laissez-faire approach. Maybe a few of us could send our thoughts and best wishes to the head. (Just supportive ones, please guys). | |||
"No. It wasn't. Read again. It was about two princes who fell in love. There is a difference between sex and love you know! In year six they'll be taught about human reproduction(sex)anyway, and ffrom year five the diffferences between men and womenn on a sexual level. It's also part of the National Curriculum to teach diversity including sexual 'diversity'. ALthough Parents retain the righjt to opt their children out of these special lessons, which is a massive kop out in my opinion and shouldn't be allowed. My question is: would you like your children to grow up being ignorant of sex from a physical and emotional point of view, or not? School is not just about the three Rs. " My question is: if you had focused a little on the Rs, would you have read the comments before the one you quoted, and then perhaps not have taken the comment out of context? | |||
"No. It wasn't. Read again. It was about two princes who fell in love. There is a difference between sex and love you know! In year six they'll be taught about human reproduction(sex)anyway, and ffrom year five the diffferences between men and womenn on a sexual level. It's also part of the National Curriculum to teach diversity including sexual 'diversity'. ALthough Parents retain the righjt to opt their children out of these special lessons, which is a massive kop out in my opinion and shouldn't be allowed. My question is: would you like your children to grow up being ignorant of sex from a physical and emotional point of view, or not? School is not just about the three Rs. My question is: if you had focused a little on the Rs, would you have read the comments before the one you quoted, and then perhaps not have taken the comment out of context? " | |||
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