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"this is a really protracted affair isn't it? wouldn't be better to send all the candidates to japan and enter them as contestants the the TV gameshow "Endurance"?" I'd vote for a man who could sit in an ice bath after two litres of water and hold his bladder longer than the rest   | |||
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"Has an American President been assassinated whilst taking the oath? Perhaps now is the time? "last time obama took the oath he was surrounded with bullet proof glass... so someone has at least thought of it.... | |||
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"Has an American President been assassinated whilst taking the oath? Perhaps now is the time?
last time obama took the oath he was surrounded with bullet proof glass... so someone has at least thought of it.... "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2dHgeV9zMCI | |||
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"I think Fabio you nailed it. They both have problems, Clinton in the north and sanders in the south. The real worry for democrats surely has to be Clinton, she's winning big in southern states in the primaries but she's got very little chance of winning those states in the general election!." Also ask yourself who has been successful in most of the swing states that have voted so far...  | |||
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"Most on here will know that I'm certainly on the right side of centre (and I apologise to no-one for it) But Trump's finger on the nuclear button really scares me. I think he is just crazy enough to "let them Ruskies have it" and nuke Berlin. "And with Putin in the Kremlin...? | |||
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"Most on here will know that I'm certainly on the right side of centre (and I apologise to no-one for it) But Trump's finger on the nuclear button really scares me. I think he is just crazy enough to "let them Ruskies have it" and nuke Berlin.
And with Putin in the Kremlin...?
"Exactly, but at least with Putin you've got a chance of him knowing the capitol of America. | |||
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"I have my own motives for wanting Bernie sanders in!. He's the only one serious about climate change. He's the only one with good foreign policy. And I put £50 on him to make president in July last year... I just couldn't resist the odds "Lovely idea but that's £50 down the drain | |||
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"I have my own motives for wanting Bernie sanders in!. He's the only one serious about climate change. He's the only one with good foreign policy. And I put £50 on him to make president in July last year... I just couldn't resist the odds
Lovely idea but that's £50 down the drain ". Ahh but a man's reach should anyways exceed his grasp or what are the heavens for  | |||
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"I have my own motives for wanting Bernie sanders in!. He's the only one serious about climate change. He's the only one with good foreign policy. And I put £50 on him to make president in July last year... I just couldn't resist the odds "Should have put the £50 on Leicester City winning the premier league instead. | |||
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"I have my own motives for wanting Bernie sanders in!. He's the only one serious about climate change. He's the only one with good foreign policy. And I put £50 on him to make president in July last year... I just couldn't resist the odds
Should have put the £50 on Leicester City winning the premier league instead. ". I've only got two balls and neither of them are crystal  .
Besides I had a fiver on utd as usual, I reckon next year I'll get similar odds as Leicester this year | |||
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"My gut feeling is that Hilary will make her nomination by an embarrassingly close margin but that, nationally, more people will be terrified of Trump than will vote for him. *crosses fingers and touches wood* " Unfortunately when you say this about Trump, 3 words and a letter spring to mind... George W fucking Bush...
I didn't believe that could happen either... | |||
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"My gut feeling is that Hilary will make her nomination by an embarrassingly close margin but that, nationally, more people will be terrified of Trump than will vote for him. *crosses fingers and touches wood* Unfortunately when you say this about Trump, 3 words and a letter spring to mind... George W fucking Bush...
I didn't believe that could happen either..."That was 5-4 at the Supreme Court | |||
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"My gut feeling is that Hilary will make her nomination by an embarrassingly close margin but that, nationally, more people will be terrified of Trump than will vote for him. *crosses fingers and touches wood* Unfortunately when you say this about Trump, 3 words and a letter spring to mind... George W fucking Bush...
I didn't believe that could happen either...
That was 5-4 at the Supreme Court ". If ever you wanted a conspiracy... There it is!. The man who lost the election and a year later went on a war rampage that fitted in with his cronies few years old thesis for a new world order  | |||
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"another night.... another debate last night was the univision democratic debate univision is the biggest spanish language channel in the us... and it made for a very interesting watch as a lot of the questioning was on subjects that haven't come up in other debates but are relevant to the hispanic and latino communities.... the moderators were really tough.. but i loved it.... bernie had i think his best debate so far.... you can tell the confidence is flowing thru him at the moment" . It's easy to be confident when you actually belive what your saying. I hate this idea of realism over idealism. What does that mean... Hey I think it's a shit idea but it's workable. Fuck that, what Bernie's found is people like somebody's who's honest and genuine even if they think he's actually wrong on an issue because genuine people will change their idealism when proved wrong not when somebody with money says it's not workable | |||
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"a funny thing happened at the republican debate..... an actual debate broke out..... it was a change i hadn't been expecting..... and you really noticed the difference between the parties anyway last night.... a trump rally was cancelled and violence broke out between protesters and supporters of trump... and this had been a while coming and was simmering, and to be honest... not surprised..... trump has been throwing gas on the fire at rallies telling supporters what they should do to protesters... and this time it came home to roost... " Trump is the American equivalent of our Farrage. Obviously, being American, somewhat more extreme. God help us and God help you. | |||
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" Trump is the American equivalent of our Farrage. Obviously, being American, somewhat more extreme. God help us and God help you." It's like he suffers from Obsessive compulsive disclosure.......... Whenever makes a point he seems incapable of resisting the urge to follow up with an explanation of the thought process he used to derive that point ,,,,,, .....and that's where his point gets lost because he expose a motivation which belittles the importance of the office he is hoping to occupy.... | |||
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" Trump is the American equivalent of our Farrage. Obviously, being American, somewhat more extreme. God help us and God help you. It's like he suffers from Obsessive compulsive disclosure.......... Whenever makes a point he seems incapable of resisting the urge to follow up with an explanation of the thought process he used to derive that point ,,,,,, .....and that's where his point gets lost because he expose a motivation which belittles the importance of the office he is hoping to occupy.... "Well spotted. Or, you mean, he is mad as a box of frogs? | |||
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 what about the election the intergalactic federation for trans | |||
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"Around about now!.... Yep I'm guessing trumps thinking wtf have I done?. I think he'll win less than expected after his bad week but still more than the other morons!. On the serious side of the coin I think Bernie might sneak some surprise wins!" if bernie wins missouri, illinois and ohio.... then hillary basically has a huge problem..... outside of iowa... which was virtual tie... and massachusets, which she won by 0.1%..... she hasn't actually clearly won a state so far the dems could win in november.. they have all gone bernies way! which say the gulf between the dems leaders and their base is almost as wide as it is on the other side with trump and republican leaders... if she struggles here....she wont win pennslyvania, she won't win any of the others in the north east besides new york state (i think she would lose new jersey to sanders) i think sanders wins the pacific north west.... the scary thing is you could absoultely see sanders win more states... but the "delegate maths" works for clinton........ | |||
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"My husband tried to explain to me the whole process and he didn't get very far...I don't get it all "i'll explain it to you are both the democratic and republican conventions.... thats when it gets a lot lot easier to explain.... | |||
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"My husband tried to explain to me the whole process and he didn't get very far...I don't get it all
i'll explain it to you are both the democratic and republican conventions.... thats when it gets a lot lot easier to explain.... "Thanks | |||
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"its all boring to me and makes me fall asleep" If you mean the tv programme, it is interesting. | |||
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"Around about now!.... Yep I'm guessing trumps thinking wtf have I done?. I think he'll win less than expected after his bad week but still more than the other morons!. On the serious side of the coin I think Bernie might sneak some surprise wins! if bernie wins missouri, illinois and ohio.... then hillary basically has a huge problem..... outside of iowa... which was virtual tie... and massachusets, which she won by 0.1%..... she hasn't actually clearly won a state so far the dems could win in november.. they have all gone bernies way! which say the gulf between the dems leaders and their base is almost as wide as it is on the other side with trump and republican leaders... if she struggles here....she wont win pennslyvania, she won't win any of the others in the north east besides new york state (i think she would lose new jersey to sanders) i think sanders wins the pacific north west.... the scary thing is you could absoultely see sanders win more states... but the "delegate maths" works for clinton........" . You can see how he's managed to pull Clinton very very close to his position except on a few things like foreign policy?. What I find most interesting, is white middle class America(especially men) seems to have a big dislike for Clinton! | |||
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"I'm keeping an eye on the live feed on YouTube, looks like Bernie's getting beaten badly in Florida with 77%reporting there, while he's down in Ohio as well but with only 8% reporting" hillary was always going to win florida.... ohio may be a bit early as none of the big cities and college towns have reported yet....... and marco just drops out after losing florida to trump.... and we are down to 3..... | |||
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"I'm keeping an eye on the live feed on YouTube, looks like Bernie's getting beaten badly in Florida with 77%reporting there, while he's down in Ohio as well but with only 8% reporting hillary was always going to win florida.... ohio may be a bit early as none of the big cities and college towns have reported yet....... and marco just drops out after losing florida to trump.... and we are down to 3..... " . Things are looking on the up a bit for me sanders recently as you predicted!. So is there still a chance it could come down to just California and new York? | |||
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"I'm keeping an eye on the live feed on YouTube, looks like Bernie's getting beaten badly in Florida with 77%reporting there, while he's down in Ohio as well but with only 8% reporting hillary was always going to win florida.... ohio may be a bit early as none of the big cities and college towns have reported yet....... and marco just drops out after losing florida to trump.... and we are down to 3..... . Things are looking on the up a bit for me sanders recently as you predicted!. So is there still a chance it could come down to just California and new York?" Commie Sanders will never win! | |||
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"I'm keeping an eye on the live feed on YouTube, looks like Bernie's getting beaten badly in Florida with 77%reporting there, while he's down in Ohio as well but with only 8% reporting hillary was always going to win florida.... ohio may be a bit early as none of the big cities and college towns have reported yet....... and marco just drops out after losing florida to trump.... and we are down to 3..... . Things are looking on the up a bit for me sanders recently as you predicted!. So is there still a chance it could come down to just California and new York? Commie Sanders will never win!" Hilarious..... | |||
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" Hilarious....." True tho, maybe not the commie bit | |||
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" Hilarious..... True tho, maybe not the commie bit " . Are you two applying for fox news jobs by any chance!. | |||
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"Trump v Sanders will be interesting if that's how it pans out.. Republican hierarchy don't want Trump but some grass roots do but they certainly wont want Sanders, think some would settle for Clinton over Trump.. " Its gonna be Clinton v Trump, I'd put money on that | |||
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" . I've watched a bit of online accounts about Arizona voting!! The US really does need to get it's act together if it's serious about promoting democracy across the world... I mean 50 polling stations one country had was it 16,000 people per station with 6 hour queues to vote!... Fuck me I thought we were trying to encourage people to vote?. I think Bernie needs to start appealing some of these contests like Arizona and Massachusetts, Clinton is bringing to act like bush in 2000!" to be honest... there would the no real point in sanders appealing... because other than changing the name of the person who won the contest (who no one will actually remember a year from now) because all democratic contests are done on some part of PR.... it actually wouldn't really change the delegate maths.... i think the problem for clinton is that where her supporters would absolutely vote for sanders over trump.... there is a fear that sanders supporters would stay home in a clinton trump contest... plus hillary will always be toxic to a certain percentage of people.... she need sanders to bring the energy with him to her campaign.... and at the end of the day, him dragging her left could be the best thing that happened... a sanders trump contest would not even be close..... sanders would win it going away he would win everyone left leaning and most independants! everyone likes sanders and actually like his ideas....but the establishment think it is hillarys turn... | |||
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"Is is over yet? "American elections seem to move at the speed of continental drift. At least ours last 3-6 months and then we can all get back to being oppressed. | |||
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" . I've watched a bit of online accounts about Arizona voting!! The US really does need to get it's act together if it's serious about promoting democracy across the world... I mean 50 polling stations one country had was it 16,000 people per station with 6 hour queues to vote!... Fuck me I thought we were trying to encourage people to vote?. I think Bernie needs to start appealing some of these contests like Arizona and Massachusetts, Clinton is bringing to act like bush in 2000! to be honest... there would the no real point in sanders appealing... because other than changing the name of the person who won the contest (who no one will actually remember a year from now) because all democratic contests are done on some part of PR.... it actually wouldn't really change the delegate maths.... i think the problem for clinton is that where her supporters would absolutely vote for sanders over trump.... there is a fear that sanders supporters would stay home in a clinton trump contest... plus hillary will always be toxic to a certain percentage of people.... she need sanders to bring the energy with him to her campaign.... and at the end of the day, him dragging her left could be the best thing that happened... a sanders trump contest would not even be close..... sanders would win it going away he would win everyone left leaning and most independants! everyone likes sanders and actually like his ideas....but the establishment think it is hillarys turn..." . Ahh yes I forgot the primaries were PR related!, it's still a bit suspect in the USA in the 21st century to see the state of voting catchment, and that's before you even take into account the new voting rules! Talk about making it hard to vote!. It's funny you mention the "establishment" ... It seems like they want Clinton but the millennials seem to want anybody but the establishment!... Sanders lot want real radical change and trumps lot just want to blow it all up and start again | |||
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"So who do you Americans think will win the election in November? Republican or Democrat?" I'm hesitant to make predictions. I didn't think Trump would make it this far 
I will stick my head out and say the Democrats, though. | |||
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"So who do you Americans think will win the election in November? Republican or Democrat? I'm hesitant to make predictions. I didn't think Trump would make it this far
I will stick my head out and say the Democrats, though."I would hope so but Trump seems to be getting all the attention at the moment. | |||
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"So who do you Americans think will win the election in November? Republican or Democrat? I'm hesitant to make predictions. I didn't think Trump would make it this far
I will stick my head out and say the Democrats, though.
I would hope so but Trump seems to be getting all the attention at the moment. "Check out this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPOOXp3S2UI | |||
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"So who do you Americans think will win the election in November? Republican or Democrat? I'm hesitant to make predictions. I didn't think Trump would make it this far
I will stick my head out and say the Democrats, though.
I would hope so but Trump seems to be getting all the attention at the moment.
Check out this video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPOOXp3S2UI"Disgusting beast!!!! 
Pornographic filth!!! | |||
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"So who do you Americans think will win the election in November? Republican or Democrat? I'm hesitant to make predictions. I didn't think Trump would make it this far
I will stick my head out and say the Democrats, though.
I would hope so but Trump seems to be getting all the attention at the moment.
Check out this video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPOOXp3S2UI
Disgusting beast!!!!
Pornographic filth!!! " Did I paste the wrong link?! | |||
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"So who do you Americans think will win the election in November? Republican or Democrat? I'm hesitant to make predictions. I didn't think Trump would make it this far
I will stick my head out and say the Democrats, though.
I would hope so but Trump seems to be getting all the attention at the moment.
Check out this video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPOOXp3S2UI
Disgusting beast!!!!
Pornographic filth!!!
Did I paste the wrong link?! " | |||
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" Check out this video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPOOXp3S2UI" my respect for lindsey just went up 1 million percent.....
actually when it comes to foreign policy he is one of the few republicans i would honestly listen to.... | |||
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" if someone else wins.... i think trump runs as a 3rd party candidate...." Once the dust has settled from the riots. | |||
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"this is lindsey on morning joe..... just as well it was only mika around on that morning and not joe..... probably the most depressing interview i have seen from the "elephant" side... but you have the admire the brutal honesty.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8UYbptJTnw" I hadn't seen that yet. How depressingly honest. | |||
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"So who do you Americans think will win the election in November? Republican or Democrat? I'm hesitant to make predictions. I didn't think Trump would make it this far
I will stick my head out and say the Democrats, though."Far too many people have underestimated Trump. He'll pull off a few more surprises yet. | |||
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" Far too many people have underestimated Trump. He'll pull off a few more surprises yet. " i think there would be a few surprises..... like the states he would put in play if he won the nomination... a paper in utah ran a poll with all of the candidates against each other in a general election scenario.... kasich would beat both democrats cruz would beat both democrats clinton would beat trump by 5%.... close enough... Sanders would beat trump by 15%........ so let me put this in uk terms.... imagine a tory winning a mp seat in glasgow.... or newcastle..... imagine labour winning chipping norton....... that is how republican Utah is......  and trump would put that into play.... along with wyoming, north dakota, south dakota, montana,....... | |||
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"Well I am guessing he just dropped a whole load of his avid fans now he has been seen to state women should be punished for having an ABORTION :- ffs"Surprisingly he has back tracked on women being legally punished for having an abortion. It is now the doctors who perform the abortions on the poor women 'victims'! | |||
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"Well I am guessing he just dropped a whole load of his avid fans now he has been seen to state women should be punished for having an ABORTION :- ffs
Surprisingly he has back tracked on women being legally punished for having an abortion. It is now the doctors who perform the abortions on the poor women 'victims'!
". I know I saw this too, he knows no bounds ffs | |||
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"There's a real danger in all this. I just can't see Trump supporters accepting Sanders as president and vice versa. There could be trouble ahead." Let's Face The Music And Dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfKmNRfLYU | |||
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"It's not exactly worked out great for the past 40 years with establishment politicans... You know if there'd actually bloody done the shit they got elected too do, Donald j trump wouldn't be getting the support he does!. There's like 40 million Americans on food stamps, unpoliceable ghettos, racial divides and mass shootings on a daily basis. And they actually managed to create all this poverty and trouble while running up the biggest debt the world has ever seen!... It's not like their doing it on the cheap at least. Yeah the establishment has worked out just fucking dandy for 5 million Americans but an utter shambles for 60 million with the rest just getting shafted more every year!. . . And you WONDER how Donald j is getting support!. It's not just America and it's not just about immigration, vast swathes of people across the world KNOW the system is fucked up, there mad as hell and there not going to put up with it anymore. There dividing and going left and right because so called centrist policies have fucked them over good style!" but where did extremist politics get them before? Dead, mostly. I'm no moderate and politicians like Corbyn and Sanders appeal greatly to me - and I totally understand the frustrations people feel - but moderate politics was the bi-product of an extremist century and by-and-large has prevented the kind of wars seen previously. Abandoning it, with all it's faults, is very risky. | |||
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"It's not exactly worked out great for the past 40 years with establishment politicans... You know if there'd actually bloody done the shit they got elected too do, Donald j trump wouldn't be getting the support he does!. There's like 40 million Americans on food stamps, unpoliceable ghettos, racial divides and mass shootings on a daily basis. And they actually managed to create all this poverty and trouble while running up the biggest debt the world has ever seen!... It's not like their doing it on the cheap at least. Yeah the establishment has worked out just fucking dandy for 5 million Americans but an utter shambles for 60 million with the rest just getting shafted more every year!. . . And you WONDER how Donald j is getting support!. It's not just America and it's not just about immigration, vast swathes of people across the world KNOW the system is fucked up, there mad as hell and there not going to put up with it anymore. There dividing and going left and right because so called centrist policies have fucked them over good style! but where did extremist politics get them before? Dead, mostly. I'm no moderate and politicians like Corbyn and Sanders appeal greatly to me - and I totally understand the frustrations people feel - but moderate politics was the bi-product of an extremist century and by-and-large has prevented the kind of wars seen previously. Abandoning it, with all it's faults, is very risky." . But it's no good keep telling people to think of the wars they've avoided!. People under 30 realise there fucked, there'll probably never afford a house, will have to pay for private health care, paid tens of thousands for education, won't retire or get a pension till there in their 80s... And that's the lucky ones!. The rest have just accepted they'll probably never get out of the ghetto or get a job!. Centrist policies have completely failed a big section of society while allowing a very tiny percentage to expand their wealth massively. We are reaping our seeds and taking the piss out of people for it! | |||
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"It's not exactly worked out great for the past 40 years with establishment politicans... You know if there'd actually bloody done the shit they got elected too do, Donald j trump wouldn't be getting the support he does!. There's like 40 million Americans on food stamps, unpoliceable ghettos, racial divides and mass shootings on a daily basis. And they actually managed to create all this poverty and trouble while running up the biggest debt the world has ever seen!... It's not like their doing it on the cheap at least. Yeah the establishment has worked out just fucking dandy for 5 million Americans but an utter shambles for 60 million with the rest just getting shafted more every year!. . . And you WONDER how Donald j is getting support!. It's not just America and it's not just about immigration, vast swathes of people across the world KNOW the system is fucked up, there mad as hell and there not going to put up with it anymore. There dividing and going left and right because so called centrist policies have fucked them over good style! but where did extremist politics get them before? Dead, mostly. I'm no moderate and politicians like Corbyn and Sanders appeal greatly to me - and I totally understand the frustrations people feel - but moderate politics was the bi-product of an extremist century and by-and-large has prevented the kind of wars seen previously. Abandoning it, with all it's faults, is very risky.. But it's no good keep telling people to think of the wars they've avoided!. People under 30 realise there fucked, there'll probably never afford a house, will have to pay for private health care, paid tens of thousands for education, won't retire or get a pension till there in their 80s... And that's the lucky ones!. The rest have just accepted they'll probably never get out of the ghetto or get a job!. Centrist policies have completely failed a big section of society while allowing a very tiny percentage to expand their wealth massively. We are reaping our seeds and taking the piss out of people for it!" I generally agree with you - but in that case, why choose Trump over Bernie? That's really when people show their true colors. For me, anyway. | |||
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"Seeing trumps progress made me lose faith in humanity" Absolutely !  (
I reckon we need to send Gary the goat over ! If Trump is popular ,Gary the goat would stand a good fecking chance in elections!!! ;p | |||
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"There looking outside of the establishment for answers and his answers seem vilified in the world they live in!." That still doesn't tell me why Trump is the chosen answer to this problem. Bernie has a campaign funded by the people. Trump has a campaign funded by the same funder who funds all the dirty politicans - himself! If you want someone outside of the financial circus who will take on the establishment and who has conviction, why not Bernie?? I can think of reasons, but they aren't as noble as saying Trump supporters are just sick of the status quo in politics.  | |||
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"Is Bernie anti-establishment though? Surely his socialist policies will just give more power to the government?" He is anti-establishment, not anti-government. There seems to be a big difference between the two since the Citizens' United ruling. | |||
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"Is Bernie anti-establishment though? Surely his socialist policies will just give more power to the government? He is anti-establishment, not anti-government. There seems to be a big difference between the two since the Citizens' United ruling. " And when Hillary gets the democratic nomination (or however it works), will the anti-establishment Bernie support go to Trump? | |||
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"Is Bernie anti-establishment though? Surely his socialist policies will just give more power to the government? He is anti-establishment, not anti-government. There seems to be a big difference between the two since the Citizens' United ruling. And when Hillary gets the democratic nomination (or however it works), will the anti-establishment Bernie support go to Trump?" There has been speculation that it might. Susan Sarandon, the actress, made some interesting comments on MSNBCs "All In" about this. Although she indicated that the pro-Bernie votes just wouldn't vote. I guess we'll wait and see. | |||
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"How's socialism working in Venezuela?" . It was working pretty well actually until the price of oil collapsed, Chavez got elected on a landslide victory many times! | |||
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"How's socialism working in Venezuela?. It was working pretty well actually until the price of oil collapsed, Chavez got elected on a landslide victory many times!" I hope that's sarcasm lol | |||
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"There looking outside of the establishment for answers and his answers seem vilified in the world they live in!. That still doesn't tell me why Trump is the chosen answer to this problem. Bernie has a campaign funded by the people. Trump has a campaign funded by the same funder who funds all the dirty politicans - himself! If you want someone outside of the financial circus who will take on the establishment and who has conviction, why not Bernie?? I can think of reasons, but they aren't as noble as saying Trump supporters are just sick of the status quo in politics. ". Well the good news is he isn't, sanders has as many if not more supporters than trump does. Politicans get elected alot on air time, Donald has huge amounts of it completely free!. Sanders is largely getting ignored by the mainstream media and worse still he's fighting mainstream media bullshit on a constant basis, the mainstream media are massive financial donors of Hilary's, you don't see cnn and msnbc declaring that on the six o'clock news before proclaiming Hillary the winner already?. If we just conclude that everyone voting for trump is racist or sexist then we don't really get that he has large section of support from women and minorities!, all were actually doing is reaffirming our superiority over "his" supporters. The real world reality is often different than the intellectual musings of the chattering class. Sanders knows this, he tapped into that reality in Michigan with this notion of free trade agreements benefiting people!... They don't see that, what they see is 30-40 dollar an hour jobs with medical and pensions going abroad and then getting replaced with 12 dollar an hour jobs in Walmart selling people the things they used to make in Michigan but now made in China and yes those free trade agreements have benefits, mainly for corporations and the oligarchs. There is a difference!. Trump is just a man of his time tapping into real fears with little actual solutions but he is jumping massively on the free trade bandwagon, he's talking about making us business move back manufacturing to the US, stopping them move capital abroad... His big difference between him and sanders is trump choose the Republican base and that means you have to pander to the Christian right wing, pro gun, pro military, anti foreigner rhetoric. If you watched that YouTube clip you'll notice that the interviewer picked up on that with Lyndsay Graham, who despite doing his best to seem anti trump, his party has brought most of those issues to the forefront, yet Graham is "astonished" that Republicans are voting for him... What a fucking hypocrite! Sanders is a long time left wing advocate of "society" ,progressives love society, society requires tax, individuals have been conditioned to despise tax and government by long term government failure, there not conditioned that way by accident!!. | |||
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"How's socialism working in Venezuela?. It was working pretty well actually until the price of oil collapsed, Chavez got elected on a landslide victory many times! I hope that's sarcasm lol" . Well he got elected with over 60% of the vote four times running. I'd say he was pretty liked by Venezuelans. Of course you know better maybe? | |||
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"How's socialism working in Venezuela?. It was working pretty well actually until the price of oil collapsed, Chavez got elected on a landslide victory many times! I hope that's sarcasm lol. Well he got elected with over 60% of the vote four times running. I'd say he was pretty liked by Venezuelans. Of course you know better maybe?" I meant the economy went to shit, like it normally does in socialism though. I heard there's a lot of violence. I also saw a story of a man being arrested for smuggling bread into the country haha | |||
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"How's socialism working in Venezuela?. It was working pretty well actually until the price of oil collapsed, Chavez got elected on a landslide victory many times! I hope that's sarcasm lol. Well he got elected with over 60% of the vote four times running. I'd say he was pretty liked by Venezuelans. Of course you know better maybe? I meant the economy went to shit, like it normally does in socialism though. I heard there's a lot of violence. I also saw a story of a man being arrested for smuggling bread into the country haha" . Oh yeah like it normally does!. Japan, Germany, Holland, China, Sweden, Canada, Australia.. Yeah they've all gone to shit!. . . So anyhow like I said, Venezuelans seemed to like the guy as they reelected him three times on by UK standards could only be called landslide majorities!. . . So maybe people living in Venezuela have a better understanding than some guy who heard things on the Internet?. . . Now that's sarcasm | |||
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"Is Bernie anti-establishment though? Surely his socialist policies will just give more power to the government? He is anti-establishment, not anti-government. There seems to be a big difference between the two since the Citizens' United ruling. And when Hillary gets the democratic nomination (or however it works), will the anti-establishment Bernie support go to Trump? There has been speculation that it might. Susan Sarandon, the actress, made some interesting comments on MSNBCs "All In" about this. Although she indicated that the pro-Bernie votes just wouldn't vote. I guess we'll wait and see." I think this is a huge fear of hillary's people that sanders support stays at home.... which is why for the first time yesterday hillary started openly saying that she would want sanders in her administration..... as a way for her to bring along his supporters.. funny enough.. when sanders was asked the same question... the only person he has ever suggested he would like in his administration is Elizabeth Warren..... | |||
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"Fabio - Do you watch @Midnight on Comedy Central? They had a special episode for the election - a debate between "Trump" and "Bernie." Was one of the funniest things I've watched. Check it out if you have the time. "Fabio, I'm drawing your attention to this for comedy value | |||
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"Fabio - Do you watch @Midnight on Comedy Central? They had a special episode for the election - a debate between "Trump" and "Bernie." Was one of the funniest things I've watched. Check it out if you have the time.
Fabio, I'm drawing your attention to this for comedy value ". Omg that was brilliantly funny the two guys had got the impressions off perfectly but... Omg the trump one was sublime | |||
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"Fabio - Do you watch @Midnight on Comedy Central? They had a special episode for the election - a debate between "Trump" and "Bernie." Was one of the funniest things I've watched. Check it out if you have the time.
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"Fabio - Do you watch @Midnight on Comedy Central? They had a special episode for the election - a debate between "Trump" and "Bernie." Was one of the funniest things I've watched. Check it out if you have the time.
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Omg that was brilliantly funny the two guys had got the impressions off perfectly but... Omg the trump one was sublime
Yay! I'm glad someone watched it. Awesome ". She looks great, I'd slip her one but when I'm president I'll guarantee I'll have her mouth sewn shut | |||
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"Fabio - Do you watch @Midnight on Comedy Central? They had a special episode for the election - a debate between "Trump" and "Bernie." Was one of the funniest things I've watched. Check it out if you have the time.
Fabio, I'm drawing your attention to this for comedy value .
Omg that was brilliantly funny the two guys had got the impressions off perfectly but... Omg the trump one was sublime "okay thought i'd finally get back..... yes i did watch it and it was really funny..... so thank you.... and onto the real stuff.... we have a contest on tuesday, Wisconsin!!!! my prediction, on the republican side, this is the one state race trump has gotten horribly wrong... the insults, the gaffs and ripping the govenor of the state (who on the republican side is beloved) will all add up.... ted cruz will win on the democratic side..... much closer race.... but i think notch up another win for bernie..... the bigger the win, the better chance he will have in the 2 week run up to the new york state primary! | |||
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"If the republicans get in, whichever dickhead, we'll have to nuke the fuckers" The dickheads will probably do it to themselves. | |||
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"Even through he beat Hillary by the same margin Cruz beat trump!" all good viewing | |||
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"Question for Fabio: How come Trump can tell his supporters to attack people and he will pay their legal fees and his aids can assault reporters but he has not been arrested and charged with inciting violence?" good question..... one that i haven't seen being answered... but i do fear that if someone does get seriously injured at one of his events then the backlash will be huge..... a trump event in NYC or Philly for example just has "trouble" written all over it... | |||
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"Glad the gross pig got his low vote numbers. Though the neocon swive-eyed winner is alarming too, with some of his extremist and blood curdling views." Cruz is scarier than Trump, in my opinion. Although I'm really hoping for Cruz and Kasich to do well and lead to a contested convention because it would be academically interesting to see how the country reacts. | |||
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"Glad the gross pig got his low vote numbers. Though the neocon swive-eyed winner is alarming too, with some of his extremist and blood curdling views." see.. and this is the beauty of the system... if trump doesn't get to 1237 (the amount of delegates he need to secure the win on the first vote).... it won't be him..... and then everyone hates cruz enough that it won't be him either..... and then the convention will vote for days and days till some shining knight says " i can be the compromise" which both the trump and cruz camps will hate..... someone like Paul Ryan, or Scott Walker, or kasich, or even marco rubio again...... and then the white people will riot all across cleveland (and they come from places that like to have guns!!!!) | |||
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"I'm curious, Fabio, what do you think about what the Republicans pulled in the Colorado primary? I was a bit taken aback, if I'm honest. It seems the electoral system us being shown in its absolute worst light in this cycle. ". Anyone but trump or Cruz or kaisch... Let's just run another guy in that nobody's even voted for... Yeah democracy at its best. I don't even get what the Republican party is about these days, I mean I got Reagan I even got bush (who an I kidding i wish I got bush)... But wtf is it standing for these days except the right wing fundermental Christian thing | |||
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"I'm curious, Fabio, what do you think about what the Republicans pulled in the Colorado primary? I was a bit taken aback, if I'm honest. It seems the electoral system us being shown in its absolute worst light in this cycle. .
Anyone but trump or Cruz or kaisch...
Let's just run another guy in that nobody's even voted for... Yeah democracy at its best.
I don't even get what the Republican party is about these days, I mean I got Reagan I even got bush (who an I kidding i wish I got bush)... But wtf is it standing for these days except the right wing fundermental Christian thing"What happened in Colorado was particularly strange, though. It seems they are really scrutinising the rules and playing them to their advantage. Talk about inside politics. I'm no Trump supporter but if the Democrats had done this to Bernie I think I might be burning my registration card, too | |||
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"I still don't bloody get it "Next time you're nearby give me a shout. We can get coffee and talk politics | |||
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Next time you're nearby give me a shout. We can get coffee and talk politics "Ohhhh great thanks and I will do X | |||
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"I still don't bloody get it
Next time you're nearby give me a shout. We can get coffee and talk politics ". Is this a three some or do I get disqualified for being A d*unk and B a libertarian fascist left wing racist?. I'm guessing it's A | |||
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"I'm curious, Fabio, what do you think about what the Republicans pulled in the Colorado primary? I was a bit taken aback, if I'm honest. It seems the electoral system us being shown in its absolute worst light in this cycle. .
Anyone but trump or Cruz or kaisch...
Let's just run another guy in that nobody's even voted for... Yeah democracy at its best.
I don't even get what the Republican party is about these days, I mean I got Reagan I even got bush (who an I kidding i wish I got bush)... But wtf is it standing for these days except the right wing fundermental Christian thing
What happened in Colorado was particularly strange, though. It seems they are really scrutinising the rules and playing them to their advantage. Talk about inside politics. I'm no Trump supporter but if the Democrats had done this to Bernie I think I might be burning my registration card, too "I am tempted to say the rules be the rules... And on the republican side the rules are set by the states.... Whereas the demos the rules are set nationally.... They bring it on themselves... For example... Trump won Missouri by 0.2% votes... Yet came out of it with 15 more delegates... Didn't hear him complaining then... If trump gets 50.1% of the New York vote next Tuesday and wins all of the republican delegates... I bet he won't complain... Just like South Carolina, just like Florida..... And yet he complains in Wisconsin when he almost got shut out... And in Colorado... Cruz had a far better ground game... Trump needed to know the rules better... | |||
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"this is a really protracted affair isn't it? wouldn't be better to send all the candidates to japan and enter them as contestants the the TV gameshow "Endurance"?" hey not fair endurance is civilised unlike the state of affairs in the US | |||
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"I'm curious, Fabio, what do you think about what the Republicans pulled in the Colorado primary? I was a bit taken aback, if I'm honest. It seems the electoral system us being shown in its absolute worst light in this cycle. .
Anyone but trump or Cruz or kaisch...
Let's just run another guy in that nobody's even voted for... Yeah democracy at its best.
I don't even get what the Republican party is about these days, I mean I got Reagan I even got bush (who an I kidding i wish I got bush)... But wtf is it standing for these days except the right wing fundermental Christian thing
What happened in Colorado was particularly strange, though. It seems they are really scrutinising the rules and playing them to their advantage. Talk about inside politics. I'm no Trump supporter but if the Democrats had done this to Bernie I think I might be burning my registration card, too
I am tempted to say the rules be the rules... And on the republican side the rules are set by the states.... Whereas the demos the rules are set nationally.... They bring it on themselves...
For example... Trump won Missouri by 0.2% votes... Yet came out of it with 15 more delegates... Didn't hear him complaining then...
If trump gets 50.1% of the New York vote next Tuesday and wins all of the republican delegates... I bet he won't complain... Just like South Carolina, just like Florida.....
And yet he complains in Wisconsin when he almost got shut out... And in Colorado...
Cruz had a far better ground game... Trump needed to know the rules better..."Practically speaking I think you're right. Normatively speaking I completely disagree. This "election" is really showing the true colors of party politics in America and the color looks distinctly puke green to me
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"Courtney, Fabio Can I just ask, as you both seem very decent normal people, especially compared to many Tea Party Republicans, have you always been on the Left of US Politics? Also, the American Left are not necessarily Left when translated to UK politics. Where would you put yourselves on the UK political spectrum? Lastly, has being in the UK altered your perspective at all, perhaps making you more left leaning than you were? " me.... i think mine is interesting in that before obama... i would have absolutely considered myself to be a left leaning independent... now i am more of a democrat and registered as one for the first time they presidential cycle so i could vote in the primary abroad if not in new york state.... where would i put myself on the uk spectrum... dead centre in the middle.... labour is being pulled too far to the left.. and the conservatives too far to the right for my liking.... had being in the uk altered how i perecived us politics.... I don't think there is much difference between the uk right and the us right...... but i do think there is a difference in the uk left and the us left... | |||
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"Courtney, Fabio Can I just ask, as you both seem very decent normal people, especially compared to many Tea Party Republicans, have you always been on the Left of US Politics? Also, the American Left are not necessarily Left when translated to UK politics. Where would you put yourselves on the UK political spectrum? Lastly, has being in the UK altered your perspective at all, perhaps making you more left leaning than you were? " I have always been pretty far left regarding American politics. I come from a really political family in NYC, and following the stereotypes, I have always been far left leaning. I worked on progressive political campaigns since I was 11, and registered Democrat at my 18th birthday. I couldn't really say where I stand on the UK political spectrum. I can't vote here and so I never took much of an interest in the parties. I'm more issue-focused here, and no one really cares what I have to say since I can't vote. And living in the UK has not altered my opinion generally. I doubt I could have gotten much more left-leaning - most people I meet here are more conservative than me and my family, anyway. It has given me insight and changed my opinions on specific issues, though (like taxes and healthcare) - I think I'm a bit more informed by experience. Hope that explains? | |||
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"Courtney, Fabio Can I just ask, as you both seem very decent normal people, especially compared to many Tea Party Republicans, have you always been on the Left of US Politics? Also, the American Left are not necessarily Left when translated to UK politics. Where would you put yourselves on the UK political spectrum? Lastly, has being in the UK altered your perspective at all, perhaps making you more left leaning than you were? I have always been pretty far left regarding American politics. I come from a really political family in NYC, and following the stereotypes, I have always been far left leaning. I worked on progressive political campaigns since I was 11, and registered Democrat at my 18th birthday. I couldn't really say where I stand on the UK political spectrum. I can't vote here and so I never took much of an interest in the parties. I'm more issue-focused here, and no one really cares what I have to say since I can't vote. And living in the UK has not altered my opinion generally. I doubt I could have gotten much more left-leaning - most people I meet here are more conservative than me and my family, anyway. It has given me insight and changed my opinions on specific issues, though (like taxes and healthcare) - I think I'm a bit more informed by experience. Hope that explains? "Just out of interest, did you like how Jeff Immelt totally owned Bernie Sanders last week? | |||
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"Marc and Courtney: President Obama is coming to the UK soon. You could meet him and shout "geddoudahere" and "wellwhaddyaknow?" at him. "What happened to "yes we can" or is it now "yes we could have" | |||
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"just finished watching last nights new york democratic debate..... that was just a bit feisty!!!!! you can see they really dont care for each other anymore... but it was a fantastic watch it was interesting watching them attack each other but in a way it made for a brilliant debate instead of the childish squabbles on the republican side...." Feisty? There was no holding them back. | |||
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" Just out of interest, did you like how Jeff Immelt totally owned Bernie Sanders last week? " . I read an interesting letter wrote in the Washington times (that bastion of liberal leftiness?) . . Since 1999, GE has reduced its U.S. workforce by 37 percent, and since 2008 the company has closed more than 50 factories and facilities in the United States. In 1995, 68 percent of GE’s total employment was in the United States; by 2015 it was 38 percent. For a decade, GE has pursued a policy it calls the “competitive wage,” aimed at cutting the wage rates of its manufacturing workers in half, even as the pay of Mr. Immelt and other executives soars higher into the stratosphere. GE is now the defendant in two lawsuits because it betrayed its promises to its now-retired employees, both professional and blue collar, by slashing their health-care benefits, enabling the company to pocket an additional $3.3 billion. Thanks to GE, the Hudson River has become a 200-mile long monument to corporate greed. From 1947 to 1977, GE dumped an estimated 1.3 million pounds of PCBs, a toxic legacy that is still with us, and has made the Hudson River, from Fort Edward to Lower Manhattan, the Environmental Protection Agency’s largest Superfund cleanup site. In 2013, GE announced it would close the Fort Edward capacitor plant, dumping 200 employees and their communities, to relocate the work to a non-union plant in Clearwater, Fla., to cut wage rates in half. No doubt the meager wages of the Florida workers will be subsidized by taxpayer-funded food stamps and other poverty programs, which will amount to welfare for GE. Since January at its Erie, Pa., locomotive plant, GE has laid off 1,384 workers, as it transfers production to a non-union location in “right-to-work” Texas, where it pays half the wage rates of Erie. The Department of Labor has told our local union in Erie that the ripple effect of the GE layoffs will affect as many as 18,000 jobs in the region. . . Mr. Sanders is also correct about GE’s infamous success at evading taxes. In 2010, with $14.2 billion in profit, the company paid no federal income tax but instead received a $3.2 billion tax credit. According to Citizens for Tax Justice, GE from 2010 to 2014 paid a federal income tax rate of minus 4.3 percent on total profits of $33.5 billion. GE recently induced Massachusetts and Boston to offer the company at least $145 million in tax breaks and other giveaways to relocate its headquarters there. Mr. Immelt claims that GE is “in the business of building real things and generating real growth” for our country. We fail to see how destroying communities, turning good jobs into poverty jobs and depriving your retired employees of health-care benefits generates “real growth” in anything but the company’s profits and executives pay. We agree with Mr. Sanders that corporate greed is destroying the moral fabric of America. | |||
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" Just out of interest, did you like how Jeff Immelt totally owned Bernie Sanders last week? . I read an interesting letter wrote in the Washington times (that bastion of liberal leftiness?) . . Since 1999, GE has reduced its U.S. workforce by 37 percent, and since 2008 the company has closed more than 50 factories and facilities in the United States. In 1995, 68 percent of GE’s total employment was in the United States; by 2015 it was 38 percent. For a decade, GE has pursued a policy it calls the “competitive wage,” aimed at cutting the wage rates of its manufacturing workers in half, even as the pay of Mr. Immelt and other executives soars higher into the stratosphere. GE is now the defendant in two lawsuits because it betrayed its promises to its now-retired employees, both professional and blue collar, by slashing their health-care benefits, enabling the company to pocket an additional $3.3 billion. Thanks to GE, the Hudson River has become a 200-mile long monument to corporate greed. From 1947 to 1977, GE dumped an estimated 1.3 million pounds of PCBs, a toxic legacy that is still with us, and has made the Hudson River, from Fort Edward to Lower Manhattan, the Environmental Protection Agency’s largest Superfund cleanup site. In 2013, GE announced it would close the Fort Edward capacitor plant, dumping 200 employees and their communities, to relocate the work to a non-union plant in Clearwater, Fla., to cut wage rates in half. No doubt the meager wages of the Florida workers will be subsidized by taxpayer-funded food stamps and other poverty programs, which will amount to welfare for GE. Since January at its Erie, Pa., locomotive plant, GE has laid off 1,384 workers, as it transfers production to a non-union location in “right-to-work” Texas, where it pays half the wage rates of Erie. The Department of Labor has told our local union in Erie that the ripple effect of the GE layoffs will affect as many as 18,000 jobs in the region. . . Mr. Sanders is also correct about GE’s infamous success at evading taxes. In 2010, with $14.2 billion in profit, the company paid no federal income tax but instead received a $3.2 billion tax credit. According to Citizens for Tax Justice, GE from 2010 to 2014 paid a federal income tax rate of minus 4.3 percent on total profits of $33.5 billion. GE recently induced Massachusetts and Boston to offer the company at least $145 million in tax breaks and other giveaways to relocate its headquarters there. Mr. Immelt claims that GE is “in the business of building real things and generating real growth” for our country. We fail to see how destroying communities, turning good jobs into poverty jobs and depriving your retired employees of health-care benefits generates “real growth” in anything but the company’s profits and executives pay. We agree with Mr. Sanders that corporate greed is destroying the moral fabric of America." What you're describing is capitalism 101 and if GE didn't offshore those jobs then; A) it wouldn't exist B) your electronics would cost a lot more Competitive advantage isn't a GE policy, it's a phrase coined by Michel Porter in 1980! Simply put advanced economies have no need for monkey-skill level production jobs. People who want to get paid $15 an hour to do unskilled work are dillusional and don't understand inflation or how wealth is created. What GE does is keep the high skilled jobs in the high wage economy and stick the low skilled ones in the low wage economy. Of course, they could always ship the high wage jobs off to China as well if you prefer. | |||
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" Just out of interest, did you like how Jeff Immelt totally owned Bernie Sanders last week? . I read an interesting letter wrote in the Washington times (that bastion of liberal leftiness?) . . Since 1999, GE has reduced its U.S. workforce by 37 percent, and since 2008 the company has closed more than 50 factories and facilities in the United States. In 1995, 68 percent of GE’s total employment was in the United States; by 2015 it was 38 percent. For a decade, GE has pursued a policy it calls the “competitive wage,” aimed at cutting the wage rates of its manufacturing workers in half, even as the pay of Mr. Immelt and other executives soars higher into the stratosphere. GE is now the defendant in two lawsuits because it betrayed its promises to its now-retired employees, both professional and blue collar, by slashing their health-care benefits, enabling the company to pocket an additional $3.3 billion. Thanks to GE, the Hudson River has become a 200-mile long monument to corporate greed. From 1947 to 1977, GE dumped an estimated 1.3 million pounds of PCBs, a toxic legacy that is still with us, and has made the Hudson River, from Fort Edward to Lower Manhattan, the Environmental Protection Agency’s largest Superfund cleanup site. In 2013, GE announced it would close the Fort Edward capacitor plant, dumping 200 employees and their communities, to relocate the work to a non-union plant in Clearwater, Fla., to cut wage rates in half. No doubt the meager wages of the Florida workers will be subsidized by taxpayer-funded food stamps and other poverty programs, which will amount to welfare for GE. Since January at its Erie, Pa., locomotive plant, GE has laid off 1,384 workers, as it transfers production to a non-union location in “right-to-work” Texas, where it pays half the wage rates of Erie. The Department of Labor has told our local union in Erie that the ripple effect of the GE layoffs will affect as many as 18,000 jobs in the region. . . Mr. Sanders is also correct about GE’s infamous success at evading taxes. In 2010, with $14.2 billion in profit, the company paid no federal income tax but instead received a $3.2 billion tax credit. According to Citizens for Tax Justice, GE from 2010 to 2014 paid a federal income tax rate of minus 4.3 percent on total profits of $33.5 billion. GE recently induced Massachusetts and Boston to offer the company at least $145 million in tax breaks and other giveaways to relocate its headquarters there. Mr. Immelt claims that GE is “in the business of building real things and generating real growth” for our country. We fail to see how destroying communities, turning good jobs into poverty jobs and depriving your retired employees of health-care benefits generates “real growth” in anything but the company’s profits and executives pay. We agree with Mr. Sanders that corporate greed is destroying the moral fabric of America. What you're describing is capitalism 101 and if GE didn't offshore those jobs then; A) it wouldn't exist B) your electronics would cost a lot more Competitive advantage isn't a GE policy, it's a phrase coined by Michel Porter in 1980! Simply put advanced economies have no need for monkey-skill level production jobs. People who want to get paid $15 an hour to do unskilled work are dillusional and don't understand inflation or how wealth is created. What GE does is keep the high skilled jobs in the high wage economy and stick the low skilled ones in the low wage economy. Of course, they could always ship the high wage jobs off to China as well if you prefer. " . First off inflation doesn't exist, it's a consequence of monetary policy brought about by a concept of creating money through debt!. This whole 40 year experiment on growth by debt is unsustainable. You get real wealth by making things more productively, not by using cheap labour, making things cheaper doesn't produce inflation if anything it produces deflation. Now let's get back to basics, what do all businesses need! A market, who provides the market and where's your market when you produce everything in China and then pay no tax!. If your way of global industry worked, we wouldn't be in the shit we are today!. All we've done for 40 years is ship well paid jobs which provided a market to the third world where the wages are tuppence, thus ruining the market, but fear not they got round this idea by introducing debt onto anything and everything you could, so the market could shuffle fucking paper while borrowing the debt to create the market... It's a giant ponzi scheme but like all multi level marketing scams it's about as sustainable as basing your economy on oil | |||
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" What you're describing is capitalism 101 and if GE didn't offshore those jobs then; A) it wouldn't exist B) your electronics would cost a lot more Competitive advantage isn't a GE policy, it's a phrase coined by Michel Porter in 1980! Simply put advanced economies have no need for monkey-skill level production jobs. People who want to get paid $15 an hour to do unskilled work are dillusional and don't understand inflation or how wealth is created. What GE does is keep the high skilled jobs in the high wage economy and stick the low skilled ones in the low wage economy. Of course, they could always ship the high wage jobs off to China as well if you prefer. . First off inflation doesn't exist, it's a consequence of monetary policy brought about by a concept of creating money through debt!. This whole 40 year experiment on growth by debt is unsustainable. You get real wealth by making things more productively, not by using cheap labour, making things cheaper doesn't produce inflation if anything it produces deflation. Now let's get back to basics, what do all businesses need! A market, who provides the market and where's your market when you produce everything in China and then pay no tax!. If your way of global industry worked, we wouldn't be in the shit we are today!. All we've done for 40 years is ship well paid jobs which provided a market to the third world where the wages are tuppence, thus ruining the market, but fear not they got round this idea by introducing debt onto anything and everything you could, so the market could shuffle fucking paper while borrowing the debt to create the market... It's a giant ponzi scheme but like all multi level marketing scams it's about as sustainable as basing your economy on oil" Firstly, inflation can exist without monetary policy. This is because we don't just buy essentials. When you give one group a sudden rise in income with no corresponding change in total wealth then you are inevitably going to get inflation of prices. Secondly, cheaper and productivity are part of the same puzzle. If an American is twice as productive then they still can't demand wages 5x higher and be cost competitive overall. Therefore the same amount of wealth buys more things when the production is shipped to the place with 5x lower wages. That's how living standards improve. Unless you prefer the feudal age where, according to your friend Thomas Piketty, people would frequently live their whole lives and not see any real economic growth. | |||
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"Lol.. In the last 40 years we've seen productivity increase about 280%, wages minus inflation was flat, no change, we didn't share the productivity out, meaning there was no extra "wealth" for the market, all we did is financialise the debt market to provide the wealth, that's why we're in the shit we are... Look around, the wealthy have increased their share hugely, debt went through the roof and then some... Were your buying shares for yield and bonds for investments there's something terribly fucking wrong with capitalism!" No offence but 280% is laughable and cringe worthy for a period that is basically pre and post t'Internet. No doubt it came from an economist who tried to measure poducivity using currency, which is like trying to measure speed using temperature. | |||
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"Then explain the fucking mess the world is in!. You know why China is panicking, there actually in a worse position than the west!. They've got as much debt as us but fuck all of an internal market and a disappearing external market!" The mess is due to not enough capitalism! We don't let shite business fail, we bail them out. Big business aren't regulated properly, don't have to pay taxes and can do what they please but small business have to follow all the rules. Any half decent analyst will tell you small companies innovate better and are more efficient than big companies. But why the fuck would you want to start a small company in this country. The government interfere in the worst way possible with key industries like energy with a net result on a comfortable oligopoly of inefficient firms with pathetic customer service. In other words, there are a lot of people getting paid to do jobs that they don't actually do very well. | |||
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"If you go back to the late 70s early 80s the China of the day was Japan!. Now have a look at Japan?" Japan isn't as bad as it looks. It's got a declining population. You need to look at GDP per head, not total GDP when a population declines. If there is zero growth but your population declines then GDP per head went up! | |||
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"Then explain the fucking mess the world is in!. You know why China is panicking, there actually in a worse position than the west!. They've got as much debt as us but fuck all of an internal market and a disappearing external market! The mess is due to not enough capitalism! We don't let shite business fail, we bail them out. Big business aren't regulated properly, don't have to pay taxes and can do what they please but small business have to follow all the rules. Any half decent analyst will tell you small companies innovate better and are more efficient than big companies. But why the fuck would you want to start a small company in this country. The government interfere in the worst way possible with key industries like energy with a net result on a comfortable oligopoly of inefficient firms with pathetic customer service. In other words, there are a lot of people getting paid to do jobs that they don't actually do very well. " . See we've always been in full agreement about this!. There's a life and death cycle to businesses that applies exactly the same in the natural world. We probably agree that business exists for one reason, to advance human society, we disagree about where those two collide | |||
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"If you go back to the late 70s early 80s the China of the day was Japan!. Now have a look at Japan? Japan isn't as bad as it looks. It's got a declining population. You need to look at GDP per head, not total GDP when a population declines. If there is zero growth but your population declines then GDP per head went up! " . Japan has two things going for it!. Honour and shame. They both make good CEO qualities | |||
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"Then explain the fucking mess the world is in!. You know why China is panicking, there actually in a worse position than the west!. They've got as much debt as us but fuck all of an internal market and a disappearing external market! The mess is due to not enough capitalism! We don't let shite business fail, we bail them out. Big business aren't regulated properly, don't have to pay taxes and can do what they please but small business have to follow all the rules. Any half decent analyst will tell you small companies innovate better and are more efficient than big companies. But why the fuck would you want to start a small company in this country. The government interfere in the worst way possible with key industries like energy with a net result on a comfortable oligopoly of inefficient firms with pathetic customer service. In other words, there are a lot of people getting paid to do jobs that they don't actually do very well. . See we've always been in full agreement about this!. There's a life and death cycle to businesses that applies exactly the same in the natural world. We probably agree that business exists for one reason, to advance human society, we disagree about where those two collide" We probably agree more than you think. The only proper cricism of capitalism is that it has fucked the environment whilst it dragged hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. Not that communism did any better on environmental factors but one could argue who should live like the native americans did, they would never cause any global warming with their way of life. The problem is that the UK currently looks a lot like the Soviet Union (structurally) - a lot of big, fat, lazy, giant organisations that basically employ people for the sake of it, have horrendous productivity but a monopoly or oligopoly that keeps them alive. Then people wonder why we don't have a dynamic economy that delivers growth for all. We need a level playing field where small companies can come in and tear shit up. Let's make this country great again. | |||
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"If you go back to the late 70s early 80s the China of the day was Japan!. Now have a look at Japan? Japan isn't as bad as it looks. It's got a declining population. You need to look at GDP per head, not total GDP when a population declines. If there is zero growth but your population declines then GDP per head went up! . Japan has two things going for it!. Honour and shame. They both make good CEO qualities" And gorgeous women, sushi and awesome computer games but who is counting. | |||
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"If you go back to the late 70s early 80s the China of the day was Japan!. Now have a look at Japan? Japan isn't as bad as it looks. It's got a declining population. You need to look at GDP per head, not total GDP when a population declines. If there is zero growth but your population declines then GDP per head went up! . Japan has two things going for it!. Honour and shame. They both make good CEO qualities And gorgeous women, sushi and awesome computer games but who is counting. " Don't forget anime | |||
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"If you go back to the late 70s early 80s the China of the day was Japan!. Now have a look at Japan? Japan isn't as bad as it looks. It's got a declining population. You need to look at GDP per head, not total GDP when a population declines. If there is zero growth but your population declines then GDP per head went up! . Japan has two things going for it!. Honour and shame. They both make good CEO qualities And gorgeous women, sushi and awesome computer games but who is counting. Don't forget anime "And cosplay | |||
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