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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Why are some people homophobic?
In the uk we seem accepting .even countries like America have a very backward _iew on it. I have a very good friend who is gay and it makes no difference to our friendship.
Is it a cultural thing or religion based hate?
I've occasionaly seen men get upset on here about other men fabbed their pics.I take it as a compliment |
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I'm doing a sociology degree which is about embracing diversity and equality. So you can imagine my shock when we were asked questions on homosexual relationships and some students gave homophobic responses!
Personally, I think it's a mixture of religion, culture and just hate. A person is a still a person regardless of their sexual orientation. They tried for many years abusive therapy to make people heterosexual as they believed being homosexual was a disease that could be cured! How wrong they were! |
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Some just want to be part of the pack when one of their peer group singles out a gay person to have a go at..
same with people of different races, cultures etc..
some are just horrible narrow minded individuals and maybe because of their own failings or insecurities have to have someone different to blame..
nature of the beast .. |
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
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"Why are some people homophobic?
In the uk we seem accepting .even countries like America have a very backward _iew on it. I have a very good friend who is gay and it makes no difference to our friendship.
Is it a cultural thing or religion based hate?
I've occasionaly seen men get upset on here about other men fabbed their pics.I take it as a compliment "
I'm universally appealling so it's only natural that I should get fab'd by men and woman  |
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Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance. |
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Dependant on age some people who are really quite old now would of had it drummed into them how dirty and disgusting it is.
Younger people, I would say maybe what their parents told them if they where homophobic, sexually insecure and or just down right biggoted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My brothers eldest daughter is gay. She married her girl friend and my brother and his wife have said they have accepted it and it's all good. BUT I really don't think they have. Our attitude is if you are happy then that's all that matters. |
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One thing I struggled with from an early age and still do is why someone would be remotely interested in someone else's sexuality (unless you was going to be shagging them) you also get the people that are all "cool" about gay people but then will turn round and say things like oh my gay friend, why? You don't say oh my hetrosexual friend so why on earth would someome say my gay friend or the gay guy at work. Don't understand it |
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The Daily Mail had an article yesterday on how Elizabeth Windsor doesn't support same sex marriage, and would have preferred not to sign the bill. In the comment section of the article the top comments were from furious right-wingers who decried the liberal minority.
Fuck them! It was a funny read. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In the same way that homosexuals don't choose their sexuality, surely homophobes similarly have no choice in how they feel. (Would you criticize a vegetarian, for not wanting to watch you eat meat?) |
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"In the same way that homosexuals don't choose their sexuality, surely homophobes similarly have no choice in how they feel. (Would you criticize a vegetarian, for not wanting to watch you eat meat?)"
A vegetarian decides how to live their own life.
A homophobe is trying to impact how other people live theirs. |
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"In the same way that homosexuals don't choose their sexuality, surely homophobes similarly have no choice in how they feel. (Would you criticize a vegetarian, for not wanting to watch you eat meat?)"
so basically homophobia is built into the person..?
follows then that racists etc are of the same ilk, which is at odds with how young people, from toddlers upwards get on regardless..
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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If the forums are anything to go by, a lot of the little 'alpha'-men are. Must be to prove that they are masculine or it could be that they are insecure about their own sexuality
Religion is another reason. I hear the elderly folk at Church, who portray the image of pious Catholics, talk about homosexual people in a rather patronising manner |
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"If the forums are anything to go by, a lot of the little 'alpha'-men are. Must be to prove that they are masculine or it could be that they are insecure about their own sexuality
Religion is another reason. I hear the elderly folk at Church, who portray the image of pious Catholics, talk about homosexual people in a rather patronising manner"
The struggle continues! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In the same way that homosexuals don't choose their sexuality, surely homophobes similarly have no choice in how they feel. (Would you criticize a vegetarian, for not wanting to watch you eat meat?)"
Comparing vegetarians to sexuality, well that's a new one 
Being homophobic isn't innate! Phobia is fear so please tell me how someone fears another because they identify as gay. Could be life long friends then all of a sudden a confession that they're gay.... Wooooah quick run for your life, have an anxiety attack, don't leave the house for a month (get my drift) yeah only thing I see someone that is homophobic so is give people uncalled for harassment |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Religion is another reason. I hear the elderly folk at Church, who portray the image of pious Catholics, talk about homosexual people in a rather patronising manner"
The hypocrisy of which is quite breath-taking. |
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"Why are some people Americaphobic?
It's a very big country and attitude differ from areas to area, stat to state.
Lumping them all together is not fair  "
Thank you! There are cool Americans (like me!!) and completely uncool people... Just like anywhere you go! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It seems people have different opinions as to the definition of homophobia. I think several are confusing an actual phobia, with intolerance and bigotry.
I doubt any 'phobia' is voluntary, and is therefore usually inate.
Humans contain 8 pints of blood - but someone who is disturbed by the sight of blood, isnt bothered, as long as it remains inside and out of sight.
It is easy to not give a shit what people do in private, yet still feel involuntary revulsion when certain things are paraded in public.
My vegetarian analogy, was that what is acceptable to one person, might seem distasteful to another - making them feel uncomfortable. They might not condemn you for eating raw steak - just try and understand, when they choose not to watch it. |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance. "
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"It seems people have different opinions as to the definition of homophobia. I think several are confusing an actual phobia, with intolerance and bigotry.
I doubt any 'phobia' is voluntary, and is therefore usually inate.
Humans contain 8 pints of blood - but someone who is disturbed by the sight of blood, isnt bothered, as long as it remains inside and out of sight.
It is easy to not give a shit what people do in private, yet still feel involuntary revulsion when certain things are paraded in public.
My vegetarian analogy, was that what is acceptable to one person, might seem distasteful to another - making them feel uncomfortable. They might not condemn you for eating raw steak - just try and understand, when they choose not to watch it."
In which case, they best rummage in a field stalking carrots whilst I go about my business chomping on a bloody raw steak |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word."
Actually, regrettably it does! It says men who fornicate with other men should be put to death!
The men who wrote the bible for their own ends have a lot to answer for!
Millions of gay men have been persecuted/put to death in the last few millennia because of it - and still are in some African Christian countries - without the open condemnation of the church! Nice huh? X |
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"In the same way that homosexuals don't choose their sexuality, surely homophobes similarly have no choice in how they feel. (Would you criticize a vegetarian, for not wanting to watch you eat meat?)
Comparing vegetarians to sexuality, well that's a new one
Being homophobic isn't innate! Phobia is fear so please tell me how someone fears another because they identify as gay. Could be life long friends then all of a sudden a confession that they're gay.... Wooooah quick run for your life, have an anxiety attack, don't leave the house for a month (get my drift) yeah only thing I see someone that is homophobic so is give people uncalled for harassment "
I agree, fear of homosexuals is not innate. It is also very rare. We must be careful to separate hostility towards homosexuals and fear. They are not often the same thing.
The fear comes from xenophobia, fear of those who are different. That is perfectly natural and a healthy human response. It is what made us run like fuck when we saw crocodiles many millions of years ago, it is what keeps us safe in crowds etc. We just need to learn what is worth fearing and what is not.
Lack of understanding as a result of passed on misinformation from previous generations who didn't actually bother to think about what and who homosexual people were is he root cause of the learned fear. That will not vanish quickly but will be flushed out as generations get less and less tolerant of intolerance.
In the mean time we need to learn to curtail the knee-jerk response to homophobic people and try to listen to them first, because only then can we start to speak to them in ways which may cause them to think and re-appraise. There is a lot of social capital to be gained, at the moment, from witty belittling responses which fails to take into consideration that you can only ever change a group of people with their consent and understanding. Masking homophobia and aggression towards homosexuals through social convention will only serve to hide the issue, that is when it becomes more dangerous. A problem in the open can be contained and addressed. A problem underground is unknown and will spread without anyone noticing. |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word.
Actually, regrettably it does! It says men who fornicate with other men should be put to death!
The men who wrote the bible for their own ends have a lot to answer for!
Millions of gay men have been persecuted/put to death in the last few millennia because of it - and still are in some African Christian countries - without the open condemnation of the church! Nice huh? X"
No see, it doesn't. It uses the word "lie" which in the language of the time when it was written meant nothing to do with fornication or sex. |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word.
Actually, regrettably it does! It says men who fornicate with other men should be put to death!
The men who wrote the bible for their own ends have a lot to answer for!
Millions of gay men have been persecuted/put to death in the last few millennia because of it - and still are in some African Christian countries - without the open condemnation of the church! Nice huh? X
No see, it doesn't. It uses the word "lie" which in the language of the time when it was written meant nothing to do with fornication or sex."
Also these were words put into the bible after Jesus died. Long after he died. Jesus is never recorded speaking on the subject of sex let alone sexuality. He was a communist, he had much bigger things to worry about. Goodness, he didn't even think he was the son of God until St Peter suggested to him one day that he might be.
He also didn't like religion. He had no time for church and that sort. That was all invented by St John. The church Christians worship was the same church John the Baptist was running before Jesus came along, and after Jesus died. Therefore those who say that God has anything against homosexuals are talking utter Rubbish. |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word."
Um... Yeah, it kinda does. "Men should not lie with men as they do with women..." Yada yada. Believe me, I think people are born gay. God made them that way, so why would He condemn them? People pick and choose from the bible so that they can judge others... But we are all sinners, according to the bible... So, lighten up. If what you're doing makes you happy and doesn't hurt anyone and everyone is consenting, who cares? |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word.
Um... Yeah, it kinda does. "Men should not lie with men as they do with women..." Yada yada. Believe me, I think people are born gay. God made them that way, so why would He condemn them? People pick and choose from the bible so that they can judge others... But we are all sinners, according to the bible... So, lighten up. If what you're doing makes you happy and doesn't hurt anyone and everyone is consenting, who cares? "
read my response above, what the bible says is not what people think it says. |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word.
Actually, regrettably it does! It says men who fornicate with other men should be put to death!
The men who wrote the bible for their own ends have a lot to answer for!
Millions of gay men have been persecuted/put to death in the last few millennia because of it - and still are in some African Christian countries - without the open condemnation of the church! Nice huh? X
No see, it doesn't. It uses the word "lie" which in the language of the time when it was written meant nothing to do with fornication or sex.
Also these were words put into the bible after Jesus died. Long after he died. Jesus is never recorded speaking on the subject of sex let alone sexuality. He was a communist, he had much bigger things to worry about. Goodness, he didn't even think he was the son of God until St Peter suggested to him one day that he might be.
He also didn't like religion. He had no time for church and that sort. That was all invented by St John. The church Christians worship was the same church John the Baptist was running before Jesus came along, and after Jesus died. Therefore those who say that God has anything against homosexuals are talking utter Rubbish."
Exactly. Don't get me started on my thoughts about the bible and religion. People take the bible quotes as the be all, end all... But I believe our God is loving and wants us all to love one another. Some Christians certainly are not very Christ-like |
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"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them
I don't follow religion in any way, im curious as to what your interpretation of these quotes is though. |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word.
Um... Yeah, it kinda does. "Men should not lie with men as they do with women..." Yada yada. Believe me, I think people are born gay. God made them that way, so why would He condemn them? People pick and choose from the bible so that they can judge others... But we are all sinners, according to the bible... So, lighten up. If what you're doing makes you happy and doesn't hurt anyone and everyone is consenting, who cares? read my response above, what the bible says is not what people think it says."
I agree with you. The idea of the bible has evolved into people reading into it how they want... How about we all just be the kindest, best individuals we can and not worry so much about what others are doing. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery"
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information "
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery"
 exactly my thoughts... Lying, cheating, complaining, drinking, overindulgence, divorce... The list goes on! We ALL sin... There is no scale system... A white lie is a sin just as is "lying with men"... So, I agree. Chill in your glass house and throw no stones.  |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to"
It describes the punishment for something other than homosexuality or homosexual sex, it is describing the punishment for degrading a man through a particular sex act in a particular way. Homosexual sex was not uncommon in perfectly acceptable social contexts back then, but the bible was trying to ban male rape, and some people think trying to ban ceremonial sex between clerics.
Two men just getting it on in private mutually consensual was not mentioned and it is a modern failure to interpret that which has made us think it condemns homosexuality. It doesn't. Doesn't even discuss the topic.
The reason I am being so pedantic on this and whilst I agree with you and your opinions, if we stop telling the idiots that the bible condemns homosexuality then they might start to realise that it doesn't.
Granted they will then move onto other reasons for being small minded bigots, but that is fine, we need to tackle them one by one and this is the big one. Once that is out the way, the rest is easy. |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery exactly my thoughts... Lying, cheating, complaining, drinking, overindulgence, divorce... The list goes on! We ALL sin... There is no scale system... A white lie is a sin just as is "lying with men"... So, I agree. Chill in your glass house and throw no stones. "
Lending money is another bugbear. One that Jesus himself actually spoke about.
Leviticus also has regulations concerning what to do with mildew in clothes and the home. We no longer send mildewed fabrics to our priest for quarantine. When if we want to be good observant Christians, we really should.
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to
It describes the punishment for something other than homosexuality or homosexual sex, it is describing the punishment for degrading a man through a particular sex act in a particular way. Homosexual sex was not uncommon in perfectly acceptable social contexts back then, but the bible was trying to ban male rape, and some people think trying to ban ceremonial sex between clerics.
Two men just getting it on in private mutually consensual was not mentioned and it is a modern failure to interpret that which has made us think it condemns homosexuality. It doesn't. Doesn't even discuss the topic.
The reason I am being so pedantic on this and whilst I agree with you and your opinions, if we stop telling the idiots that the bible condemns homosexuality then they might start to realise that it doesn't.
Granted they will then move onto other reasons for being small minded bigots, but that is fine, we need to tackle them one by one and this is the big one. Once that is out the way, the rest is easy."
I'd be honest with you and say that this is not my understanding of the Bible. But that is perhaps because, like many, I have just followed what I was taught
You seem to know more and if you can provide references to convince these people otherwise, then please do
I do not need convincing on this or any other topic in the Bible. I have decided to sort my own life out first which is going to take a lifetime |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to
It describes the punishment for something other than homosexuality or homosexual sex, it is describing the punishment for degrading a man through a particular sex act in a particular way. Homosexual sex was not uncommon in perfectly acceptable social contexts back then, but the bible was trying to ban male rape, and some people think trying to ban ceremonial sex between clerics.
Two men just getting it on in private mutually consensual was not mentioned and it is a modern failure to interpret that which has made us think it condemns homosexuality. It doesn't. Doesn't even discuss the topic.
The reason I am being so pedantic on this and whilst I agree with you and your opinions, if we stop telling the idiots that the bible condemns homosexuality then they might start to realise that it doesn't.
Granted they will then move onto other reasons for being small minded bigots, but that is fine, we need to tackle them one by one and this is the big one. Once that is out the way, the rest is easy."
Come to east Texas and share these thoughts.... I agree with you wholeheartedly! But I would be VERY interested to see what these rednecks here would say... |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to
It describes the punishment for something other than homosexuality or homosexual sex, it is describing the punishment for degrading a man through a particular sex act in a particular way. Homosexual sex was not uncommon in perfectly acceptable social contexts back then, but the bible was trying to ban male rape, and some people think trying to ban ceremonial sex between clerics.
Two men just getting it on in private mutually consensual was not mentioned and it is a modern failure to interpret that which has made us think it condemns homosexuality. It doesn't. Doesn't even discuss the topic.
The reason I am being so pedantic on this and whilst I agree with you and your opinions, if we stop telling the idiots that the bible condemns homosexuality then they might start to realise that it doesn't.
Granted they will then move onto other reasons for being small minded bigots, but that is fine, we need to tackle them one by one and this is the big one. Once that is out the way, the rest is easy.
Come to east Texas and share these thoughts.... I agree with you wholeheartedly! But I would be VERY interested to see what these rednecks here would say... "
The reference I gave involves reading. Probably excludes a lot of the folks you are talking about by default.
Many idiots don't want to know the truth, they are xenophobic not homophobic and they fear difference and fear what will happen if they themselves are exposed to difference because they don't know what to think beyond that which has been told to them by others. |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to
It describes the punishment for something other than homosexuality or homosexual sex, it is describing the punishment for degrading a man through a particular sex act in a particular way. Homosexual sex was not uncommon in perfectly acceptable social contexts back then, but the bible was trying to ban male rape, and some people think trying to ban ceremonial sex between clerics.
Two men just getting it on in private mutually consensual was not mentioned and it is a modern failure to interpret that which has made us think it condemns homosexuality. It doesn't. Doesn't even discuss the topic.
The reason I am being so pedantic on this and whilst I agree with you and your opinions, if we stop telling the idiots that the bible condemns homosexuality then they might start to realise that it doesn't.
Granted they will then move onto other reasons for being small minded bigots, but that is fine, we need to tackle them one by one and this is the big one. Once that is out the way, the rest is easy.
I'd be honest with you and say that this is not my understanding of the Bible. But that is perhaps because, like many, I have just followed what I was taught
You seem to know more and if you can provide references to convince these people otherwise, then please do
I do not need convincing on this or any other topic in the Bible. I have decided to sort my own life out first which is going to take a lifetime"
I posted a link above and so far the admin have seen fit not to delete it. I reported it myself as I know they are funny about people speaking freely at times.
Here it is again.
https://www.westarinstitute.org/resources/the-fourth-r/when-a-man-lies-with-a-man-as-with-a-woman/ |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to
It describes the punishment for something other than homosexuality or homosexual sex, it is describing the punishment for degrading a man through a particular sex act in a particular way. Homosexual sex was not uncommon in perfectly acceptable social contexts back then, but the bible was trying to ban male rape, and some people think trying to ban ceremonial sex between clerics.
Two men just getting it on in private mutually consensual was not mentioned and it is a modern failure to interpret that which has made us think it condemns homosexuality. It doesn't. Doesn't even discuss the topic.
The reason I am being so pedantic on this and whilst I agree with you and your opinions, if we stop telling the idiots that the bible condemns homosexuality then they might start to realise that it doesn't.
Granted they will then move onto other reasons for being small minded bigots, but that is fine, we need to tackle them one by one and this is the big one. Once that is out the way, the rest is easy.
Come to east Texas and share these thoughts.... I agree with you wholeheartedly! But I would be VERY interested to see what these rednecks here would say...
The reference I gave involves reading. Probably excludes a lot of the folks you are talking about by default.
Many idiots don't want to know the truth, they are xenophobic not homophobic and they fear difference and fear what will happen if they themselves are exposed to difference because they don't know what to think beyond that which has been told to them by others. "
Yep. I absolutely agree. It can be extremely maddening to live here. But I'm stuck until my daughters are grown. So, I'll just get on Fab and complain/sin.  |
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"According to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. But the entirety of the Bible is not about homosexuality or sexuality. That is just a tiny component
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”. People who use the Bible to target the Gays, usually forget the rest of the Bible
The Bible also touches upon adultery. The same folk who are homophobic here, conveniently gloss over adultery
It does not say homosexuality is a sin. That is mis information
You are correct. The Bible itself does not; it only describes the punishment
The Church describes it as a mortal sin
However, my point was that whatever the punishment, that is the domain of God and not of man because man is a sinner
I think we are responsible for our own sins and nobody else's. And I have a ton of my own to deal with without worrying about what others might be up to
It describes the punishment for something other than homosexuality or homosexual sex, it is describing the punishment for degrading a man through a particular sex act in a particular way. Homosexual sex was not uncommon in perfectly acceptable social contexts back then, but the bible was trying to ban male rape, and some people think trying to ban ceremonial sex between clerics.
Two men just getting it on in private mutually consensual was not mentioned and it is a modern failure to interpret that which has made us think it condemns homosexuality. It doesn't. Doesn't even discuss the topic.
The reason I am being so pedantic on this and whilst I agree with you and your opinions, if we stop telling the idiots that the bible condemns homosexuality then they might start to realise that it doesn't.
Granted they will then move onto other reasons for being small minded bigots, but that is fine, we need to tackle them one by one and this is the big one. Once that is out the way, the rest is easy.
I'd be honest with you and say that this is not my understanding of the Bible. But that is perhaps because, like many, I have just followed what I was taught
You seem to know more and if you can provide references to convince these people otherwise, then please do
I do not need convincing on this or any other topic in the Bible. I have decided to sort my own life out first which is going to take a lifetime
I posted a link above and so far the admin have seen fit not to delete it. I reported it myself as I know they are funny about people speaking freely at times.
Here it is again.
https://www.westarinstitute.org/resources/the-fourth-r/when-a-man-lies-with-a-man-as-with-a-woman/"
Thanks; bookmarked and read it; interesting. Would like to read similar from elsewhere too supporting the assumptions made
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People's responses? Thoughts and experiences begin to be formed during their younger years. If they have had this whilst growing up, 0-7 years old, this is the period tat imprinting is involved. 7-14 is when these initials ideas are placed into categories and reinforced by your own consciousness or external influences. 14-21 is the socialisation phase of your life, you have formed ideas and are trying to become part of a wider conglomerate. |
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"I'm doing a sociology degree which is about embracing diversity and equality. So you can imagine my shock when we were asked questions on homosexual relationships and some students gave homophobic responses!
Personally, I think it's a mixture of religion, culture and just hate. A person is a still a person regardless of their sexual orientation. They tried for many years abusive therapy to make people heterosexual as they believed being homosexual was a disease that could be cured! How wrong they were! "
I am not homophobic but one thing I can't understand is this,why are people not free to be homophobic if they wish to be? I'm not saying any abuse of gays is ok but I have seen people lose jobs for saying they don't agree with homosexuality.
Therefore I think this unfairness leads to homophobia |
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Indoctrination that individuals don't question. Studies have also shown homophobic men getting turned on by gay porn, so there's also internal homophobia that they project on to others. And twats, plus all the other reasons listed by others. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm doing a sociology degree which is about embracing diversity and equality. So you can imagine my shock when we were asked questions on homosexual relationships and some students gave homophobic responses!
Personally, I think it's a mixture of religion, culture and just hate. A person is a still a person regardless of their sexual orientation. They tried for many years abusive therapy to make people heterosexual as they believed being homosexual was a disease that could be cured! How wrong they were!
I am not homophobic but one thing I can't understand is this,why are people not free to be homophobic if they wish to be? I'm not saying any abuse of gays is ok but I have seen people lose jobs for saying they don't agree with homosexuality.
Therefore I think this unfairness leads to homophobia"
Same as when people don't abuse non-Whites but by just saying that they think that non-Whites are less capable, end up loosing their jobs. Very unfair. So, do you think that is the cause of racism? |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"why not?
a lot of people would be confused if you tell them that in some places men bum each other and marry each other
it's just not normal to some"
A lot of people were confused when Black people wanted to sit with the rest of us on a bus. It just wasn't normal to some. Do you think that removing that confusion was wrong too? If not, then why not? |
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(Some) Homosexuals are up there with the most homophobic people I've met.
If you don't fit their particular idea of gay, then watch the sparks fly of them ruby slippers *
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"(Some) Homosexuals are up there with the most homophobic people I've met.
If you don't fit their particular idea of gay, then watch the sparks fly of them ruby slippers *
* deliberate stereotype inserted for devilment "
Good point. Biphobia sucks too. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"(Some) Homosexuals are up there with the most homophobic people I've met.
If you don't fit their particular idea of gay, then watch the sparks fly of them ruby slippers *
* deliberate stereotype inserted for devilment
Good point. Biphobia sucks too. "
And I've seen them suck like no one else before 
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I love the way that people have written essays across the night in an attempt to understand (or defend) homophobia. Its bigotry! Its based in a fear of the unknown or even worse the thinly veiled fear of their own sexuality. There is no need to understand it and to discuss it simply gives it credence. Its not a fear, its ignorance and hate |
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"Why are some people homophobic?
In the uk we seem accepting .even countries like America have a very backward _iew on it. I have a very good friend who is gay and it makes no difference to our friendship.
Is it a cultural thing or religion based hate?
I've occasionaly seen men get upset on here about other men fabbed their pics.I take it as a compliment "
Just fear of the unknown;
if they had friends who were lesbian or friends who were gay, they would soon change their minds and welcome these couples into their homes without any hesitance |
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"I love the way that people have written essays across the night in an attempt to understand (or defend) homophobia. Its bigotry! Its based in a fear of the unknown or even worse the thinly veiled fear of their own sexuality. There is no need to understand it and to discuss it simply gives it credence. Its not a fear, its ignorance and hate"
good quote, I put exactly the same then scrolled up and read yours, we both have same point
"fear of the unknown" |
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"(Some) Homosexuals are up there with the most homophobic people I've met.
If you don't fit their particular idea of gay, then watch the sparks fly of them ruby slippers *
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Good point. Biphobia sucks too.
And I've seen them suck like no one else before
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"I love the way that people have written essays across the night in an attempt to understand (or defend) homophobia. Its bigotry! Its based in a fear of the unknown or even worse the thinly veiled fear of their own sexuality. There is no need to understand it and to discuss it simply gives it credence. Its not a fear, its ignorance and hate"
It's a fear of the unknown, but it's not a fear?
I would think there is a need to understand, because without understanding people make rash and illogical decisions.
For example if the authorities and psychologists did not try to understand it how do you reform an offender?
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"I love the way that people have written essays across the night in an attempt to understand (or defend) homophobia. Its bigotry! Its based in a fear of the unknown or even worse the thinly veiled fear of their own sexuality. There is no need to understand it and to discuss it simply gives it credence. Its not a fear, its ignorance and hate"
It's by no means defending them, it's an explanation of how and why they've formed these thoughts. It's about influence from the society around them. It is still discrimination. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm doing a sociology degree which is about embracing diversity and equality. So you can imagine my shock when we were asked questions on homosexual relationships and some students gave homophobic responses!
Personally, I think it's a mixture of religion, culture and just hate. A person is a still a person regardless of their sexual orientation. They tried for many years abusive therapy to make people heterosexual as they believed being homosexual was a disease that could be cured! How wrong they were! "
It is more than that some gay people are extremely homophobic, yes I know that sounds amazing but it is true.
In many cases the gay community do themselves no favours in a similar way that feminists do.
Pushing for more and more in the name of equality when in reality they are depriving others of their own rights.
Take the recent change in law to allow gay marriage but not allow heterosexual civil partnerships.
Such a bias fuels opposition to homosexuals.
There is also a perceived feeling that the subject cannot be discussed freely without the participants being attacked for their _iews whatever they are.
There is also the _iew that things such as gay bars promote the separatist culture and it would be better if all bars and clubs were for all patrons.
As with most topics there is no simple answer it is a mixture of a thousand and one individual reasons some logical some illogical.
There is also the _iew that everyone is gay and no one is gay but we are all on a sliding scale that varies towards one side or another throughout a person’s life.
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Is there such a thing as heterophobia if its a fear of the unknown?
What would the reaction be to someone who stood up at the Oscars and said I am accepting this award as a proud straight man? |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm doing a sociology degree which is about embracing diversity and equality. So you can imagine my shock when we were asked questions on homosexual relationships and some students gave homophobic responses!
Personally, I think it's a mixture of religion, culture and just hate. A person is a still a person regardless of their sexual orientation. They tried for many years abusive therapy to make people heterosexual as they believed being homosexual was a disease that could be cured! How wrong they were!
It is more than that some gay people are extremely homophobic, yes I know that sounds amazing but it is true.
In many cases the gay community do themselves no favours in a similar way that feminists do.
Pushing for more and more in the name of equality when in reality they are depriving others of their own rights.
Take the recent change in law to allow gay marriage but not allow heterosexual civil partnerships.
Such a bias fuels opposition to homosexuals.
There is also a perceived feeling that the subject cannot be discussed freely without the participants being attacked for their _iews whatever they are.
There is also the _iew that things such as gay bars promote the separatist culture and it would be better if all bars and clubs were for all patrons.
As with most topics there is no simple answer it is a mixture of a thousand and one individual reasons some logical some illogical.
There is also the _iew that everyone is gay and no one is gay but we are all on a sliding scale that varies towards one side or another throughout a person’s life.
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I think that last point angers a lot of straight men who otherwise aren't homophobic. It is like calling them liars
The straight guys I meet are straight. The bisexual guys I meet are bisexual. Haven't yet met any gay guys for sex. Will report back when I do |
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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago
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"(Some) Homosexuals are up there with the most homophobic people I've met.
If you don't fit their particular idea of gay, then watch the sparks fly of them ruby slippers *
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I guess religion and the way people are brought up also. I have a gay friend in an Islamic country and he's very careful but he's plans to come to Europe and can't wait because as mentioned Europe is much more accepting of it. |
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over a year ago
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"I guess religion and the way people are brought up also. I have a gay friend in an Islamic country and he's very careful but he's plans to come to Europe and can't wait because as mentioned Europe is much more accepting of it."
i knew a tv who was muslim and pakistani, her brothers held her down poured a kettle full of boiling water for what she was, she told me she was sick of the muslim pakistan taxi drivers who wanted bjs sex who was married with family, double standards, i have also been asked out by asian taxi drivers a couple of times
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In this day and age I find it amazing the levels of prejudice still taking place. We all enter and leave the world the same. I am personally glad we have diversity in the world how boring would it be if we were all the same. |
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Blaming religion is an easy cop out for society.
How many thousands of words in any religious text. It's takes someone with a vested interest to actually pick up on one line but ignore another.
Let's face it it was a commonly held opinion a bit like the sun revolving around the earth. It takes generations for society to adapt.
Imagine being told all your life that homosexuality is fine then for society to change, how long would it take you to adapt your _iews that it's OK.
We like to think of ourselves as better than generations before us or other less developed/enlightened parts of the world . Turn off the taps for a few days and watch how enlightened people become.
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Religious belief , ignorance , intolerance what ever the excuses they are people too and they should not have be made to feel a certain way because of their sexual orientation. People need to accept others for who they are and stop prejudging. |
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People have differing ideas on how life should be lived, isn't diversity great? Until someone has an opinion that's diverse from yours.
It also depends on your definition of homophobia, harming gay people (physically, mentally, denying rights) is obviously wrong but not liking the idea of men having sex with each other isn't wrong in my opinion, it's just an opinion.
Who's to say what future generations will believe in, perhaps our world _iew will be abhorrent in the year 3000? |
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over a year ago
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"It's 'cos some people just can't stand the idea that somewhere, someone else is having a happier life than they are....
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So, when I see a miserable old gits, then it's a fairly good chance that they are homophobes? |
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"each to their own but why is it the ones I really fancy are gay  "
Now I got called homophobic in the forum last week for saying exactly that "each to there own". I'm not homophobic nothing against anybody's sexuality but me not liking it personally doesn't make me homophobic . |
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Maybe a part of it is fear? Some believe it's contagious, we all know how stupid that is but lack of education dosent help either, I'm bi and a lot of people seem to think that means I want to fk everyone I meet, obviously that's not the case but I find I'm asked that a lot |
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"each to their own but why is it the ones I really fancy are gay
Now I got called homophobic in the forum last week for saying exactly that "each to there own". I'm not homophobic nothing against anybody's sexuality but me not liking it personally doesn't make me homophobic ."
Then stop doing it if you don't like it. Who is forcing you to have sex with other men? |
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If people don't like it then surely that's their choice? Whether it be there upbringing or religion etc. I don't think there's anything wrong with not agreeing with someone's lifestyle/orientation if it's not put across badly. There are lots of things I don't agree with that most people find acceptable. |
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word."
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"Here in America, I think it is a religiously based thing. "It's in the bible..." Blah blah blah. Of course, I live in a small town now; when I lived in Dallas, I think people were generally more accepting. I had many gay friends, and I have zero problem with it... Really gets under my skin that most peeps around here are so closed minded. So yeah... Religion and basic ignorance.
The bible says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. Not one word. then you should read more "
I think this has been explained if you care to read earlier comments
By the way, since you have read the Bible, pray do enlighten us on what it's _iews are on adultery and how are you absolved from those punishments |
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"each to their own but why is it the ones I really fancy are gay
Now I got called homophobic in the forum last week for saying exactly that "each to there own". I'm not homophobic nothing against anybody's sexuality but me not liking it personally doesn't make me homophobic .
Then stop doing it if you don't like it. Who is forcing you to have sex with other men?"
??? I don't do it and know body would force me just saying I don't like the idea of it and it doesn't do nothing for me sexually but that doesn't make me homophobic |
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"Why are some people homophobic?
In the uk we seem accepting .even countries like America have a very backward _iew on it. I have a very good friend who is gay and it makes no difference to our friendship.
Is it a cultural thing or religion based hate?
I've occasionaly seen men get upset on here about other men fabbed their pics.I take it as a compliment "
Theres no such thing as a Homophobic, its a Key Hypnotic word, cleverly created to demonize, demean and ostracise thinking people whom use common sense and their consciences as their guide ...
The Word is designed to embed itself into your sub conscience regardless of wether you agree with it or not, it will surface time after time ...
Many here have been conditioned by it...Infecting others with it.... |
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"Why are some people homophobic?
In the uk we seem accepting .even countries like America have a very backward _iew on it. I have a very good friend who is gay and it makes no difference to our friendship.
Is it a cultural thing or religion based hate?
I've occasionaly seen men get upset on here about other men fabbed their pics.I take it as a compliment
Theres no such thing as a Homophobic, its a Key Hypnotic word, cleverly created to demonize, demean and ostracise thinking people whom use common sense and their consciences as their guide ...
The Word is designed to embed itself into your sub conscience regardless of wether you agree with it or not, it will surface time after time ...
Many here have been conditioned by it...Infecting others with it...."
Exactly. Like I asked, is there such a thing as heterophobic? |
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over a year ago
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"each to their own but why is it the ones I really fancy are gay
Now I got called homophobic in the forum last week for saying exactly that "each to there own". I'm not homophobic nothing against anybody's sexuality but me not liking it personally doesn't make me homophobic .
Then stop doing it if you don't like it. Who is forcing you to have sex with other men?
??? I don't do it and know body would force me just saying I don't like the idea of it and it doesn't do nothing for me sexually but that doesn't make me homophobic "
Ah, OK, so you have nothing to do with Gay guys and Gay guys have nothing to do with you. I misunderstood |
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"Why are some people homophobic?
In the uk we seem accepting .even countries like America have a very backward _iew on it. I have a very good friend who is gay and it makes no difference to our friendship.
Is it a cultural thing or religion based hate?
I've occasionaly seen men get upset on here about other men fabbed their pics.I take it as a compliment
Theres no such thing as a Homophobic, its a Key Hypnotic word, cleverly created to demonize, demean and ostracise thinking people whom use common sense and their consciences as their guide ...
The Word is designed to embed itself into your sub conscience regardless of wether you agree with it or not, it will surface time after time ...
Many here have been conditioned by it...Infecting others with it....
Exactly. Like I asked, is there such a thing as heterophobic?"
I am bisexual but have nothing against or for heterosexual women. They are fine as they are and I am fine as I am. I do not seek out bisexual women as friends. My entire life does not revolve around sex and sexuality
Some of my best friends are straight |
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"Why are some people homophobic?
In the uk we seem accepting .even countries like America have a very backward _iew on it. I have a very good friend who is gay and it makes no difference to our friendship.
Is it a cultural thing or religion based hate?
I've occasionaly seen men get upset on here about other men fabbed their pics.I take it as a compliment
Theres no such thing as a Homophobic, its a Key Hypnotic word, cleverly created to demonize, demean and ostracise thinking people whom use common sense and their consciences as their guide ...
The Word is designed to embed itself into your sub conscience regardless of wether you agree with it or not, it will surface time after time ...
Many here have been conditioned by it...Infecting others with it....
Exactly. Like I asked, is there such a thing as heterophobic?"
The powers that be would never promote another Key Hypnotic term such as "Hetrophobic", as it would be counter productive to their desires to imbed into society such a term that would oppose and negate Homophobic....
Hypnosis is such a powerfull tool, many of the keys to this tool are lost to mankind, only fragments survive, yet still it can be used for good or evil...
Unfortunately Governments and other powerfull agencies use it all the time, alas for evil intent..
To the detriment of right thinking people of conscience, good hearts and common sense... |
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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago
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"each to their own but why is it the ones I really fancy are gay
Now I got called homophobic in the forum last week for saying exactly that "each to there own". I'm not homophobic nothing against anybody's sexuality but me not liking it personally doesn't make me homophobic ."
agree with you and im certainly not homophobic |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"each to their own but why is it the ones I really fancy are gay
Now I got called homophobic in the forum last week for saying exactly that "each to there own". I'm not homophobic nothing against anybody's sexuality but me not liking it personally doesn't make me homophobic .
agree with you and im certainly not homophobic "
I just think some people are to touchy about the whole thing they need to tackle there own in security and be who or what ever they want to be and not worry about what other people think |
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