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By *artytwo OP Couple
over a year ago
Wolverhampton |
A lot of news and comment about Driverless cars and lorries atm.
They (whoever they are) announce various future trials to be undertaken.
I keep thinking, would it not be better to trial Driverless Trains first?
Just wonderin' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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alarm bells ring when you read and hear of this
Accidents
Fatalities
Job Losses
Redundancies
corruption
perhaps a pessimistic view, there must be optimist thoughts, anyone suggest some |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Docklands railway is driverless"
First thing I thought too when I read the OP! The first time I used the DLR I was like 'WTF!' but it seems to work well, just like airport terminal trains. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The main problem, from what I read, is that a convoy of ten lorries - that's what they were trialling. Can only be tested h in a couple of places in the UK as it's going to cause problems for those entering and exiting the motorway. Apparently we have more motorway entries/exits than other countries.
Sarah
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"I guess it will be good for when they are hauling nuclear and radioactive waste, means little chance of the driver being contaminated  "
theres little chance of that now as most Nuclear or Radioactive waste travels by rail in special vehicles and what does travel by road is very small quantity's and is isolated in again specialist containers |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Biggest concern is the computer deciding who dies and who lives.
If an accident is unavoidable what does the computer do. Swerve to avoid the car but risks your life or does it stay on course?!
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"A lot of news and comment about Driverless cars and lorries atm.
They (whoever they are) announce various future trials to be undertaken.
I keep thinking, would it not be better to trial Driverless Trains first?
Just wonderin' "
All crazy ideas! ! |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
on the road to nowhere in particular |
The first driverless car crash happened last week when a Google car pulled out in front of a bus. The great thing was the human overseer thought that the manoeuvre was acceptable and allowed the car to do it.  a convoy of 10 lorries? No foreseeable problems that I can see  |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
Wakefield |
There are many driverless vehicles performing perfectly in many situations at present from forklifts to trains and even a few cars.
At present most of these are in "controlled" enviroments.
The big step is driverless vehicles to be used in an enviroment with other vehicles controlled by a driver as drivers have slower less prdictable reactions than computers.
There is no reason to think that driverless vehicles can not change lanes safely to allow other vehicles to join the motorways when required. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
on the road to nowhere in particular |
"No such thing as a driverless train . You always need a driver on the train just in case something goes bat shit crazy !
Not on DLR.
No drivers at all ."
There are staff on the trains in case of an incident |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
Wakefield |
"The first driverless car crash happened last week when a Google car pulled out in front of a bus. The great thing was the human overseer thought that the manoeuvre was acceptable and allowed the car to do it. a convoy of 10 lorries? No foreseeable problems that I can see "
Not the first there have been over a dozen, the crash in question occurred a slow speed the car was doing 2 mph the bus 15 mph, the overseer thought the bus would slow to allow the car to pass a sandbags in its lane the bus driver had other ideas. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't wait for driverless cars to go mainstream, I won't have to keep trying to take my fucking driving test then.
Driverless trains already exist and will become more commonplace in sure. |
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Mmmmm well at least we'd only have to worry about half the accidents being caused by driver error and the other half by computer error - should make the insurance companies happy. Perhaps they'll let the computers argue about who's to blame.
What I want to know is how will it affect my insurance x |
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By *ames6ft5Man
over a year ago
North London / Herts |
I literally cannot wait for one.
It will take me to a lovely country pub (and back) the first night I have it.
Going away to see family, I won't mind leaving late on a Friday and driving late I to the night whilst I have a glass of wine, read my book and then doze.
So many other use cases. For those with children I imagine the school run will be transformed.
The most useful one is far higher safety than a human driver such as me.
When there are many on the road and they start coordinating to reduce congestion and reduce journey tunes.
A great TED talk to the guy leading the google car program - search for "TED google car"
It's the 15 min talk by Chris Urmson
You are welcome
James |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
on the road to nowhere in particular |
"People seem ok for aircraft to fly themselves these days.Only need the pilots for takeoff and landings"
Planes have been making automatic take offs and landings for years |
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"No such thing as a driverless train . You always need a driver on the train just in case something goes bat shit crazy !
Not on DLR.
No drivers at all .
There are staff on the trains in case of an incident"
Yes, but they are there for " customer service".
They can open and close the doors (but only when the automatic system has unlocked them)
Granted, they have the capability to actually drive a train, if the controls fail, but in reality they never will. Half of the rest of the London Underground is similarly " driverless".
The majority of " metro " systems round the world have at least some element of driverless trains.
Given the automated signalling and control systems,trains can be quite easyily driverless; even in an emergency, there is little a train driver can do;
The train follows the rails, all he can do is put brakes on.
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack! |
Riding on a DLR train one day I was in the seat occupied by the driver when the train needs one. I`m well relaxed in the seat and an American woman comments rather loudly to her friend "Just who the hell`s driving this thang?" I replied in my best Daarzet accent "Well it sure isn`t me Missus!" The look on her face was priceless!   |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
on the road to nowhere in particular |
"No such thing as a driverless train . You always need a driver on the train just in case something goes bat shit crazy !
Not on DLR.
No drivers at all .
There are staff on the trains in case of an incident
Yes, but they are there for " customer service".
They can open and close the doors (but only when the automatic system has unlocked them)
Granted, they have the capability to actually drive a train, if the controls fail, but in reality they never will. Half of the rest of the London Underground is similarly " driverless".
The majority of " metro " systems round the world have at least some element of driverless trains.
Given the automated signalling and control systems,trains can be quite easyily driverless; even in an emergency, there is little a train driver can do;
The train follows the rails, all he can do is put brakes on.
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they are still there in case there is an incident eg: passenger illness, train doors not closing properly or worse. Driving the train is only part of the drivers job |
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"Biggest concern is the computer deciding who dies and who lives.
If an accident is unavoidable what does the computer do. Swerve to avoid the car but risks your life or does it stay on course?!
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It's just an alternative to a human deciding whether you live or die. |
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"No such thing as a driverless train . You always need a driver on the train just in case something goes bat shit crazy !
Not on DLR.
No drivers at all .
There are staff on the trains in case of an incident
Yes, but they are there for " customer service".
They can open and close the doors (but only when the automatic system has unlocked them)
Granted, they have the capability to actually drive a train, if the controls fail, but in reality they never will. Half of the rest of the London Underground is similarly " driverless".
The majority of " metro " systems round the world have at least some element of driverless trains.
Given the automated signalling and control systems,trains can be quite easyily driverless; even in an emergency, there is little a train driver can do;
The train follows the rails, all he can do is put brakes on.
they are still there in case there is an incident eg: passenger illness, train doors not closing properly or worse. Driving the train is only part of the drivers job"
That's what I said; " customer service".
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't wait for driverless cars .
Then when I post that Sabrina loves to give me a bj while I drive , there won't be so much consternation amongst the forumites  |
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By *artytwo OP Couple
over a year ago
Wolverhampton |
If you take human control out of everything, which is where the future seems to heading, it will only be a matter of time and technology until the AI's get together and decide humanity is superfluous.
Whoops, Skynet/Terminator? Matrix?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's all very well they introducing kitties that are driverless but if the idea is safety, fuel economy or congestion easing then the time and money should be invested into the railway systems as its far cheaper to move to and from depot side yards like they used to do but escalating costs of rail travel have made it cheaper to drive since privatisation of railways have to make vast profits for there owners to pay out dividends... Companies like Google are already screwing the hell out of this country by deciding how much tax they want to pay us...this is just a further nail in the coffin for the working person it will cost jobs as automation takes over... Who's going to pay the unemployed when Google etc are making billions and the government get little or no taxes to support the unemployed or are we all expected to become self employed...DOING WHAT EXACTLY ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can't see how driverless trucks in particular would work in reality. They might be fine on a motorway or on other major roads but not on some of the back roads especially here in Ireland. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"I can't see how driverless trucks in particular would work in reality. They might be fine on a motorway or on other major roads but not on some of the back roads especially here in Ireland."
EU money is improving your road system |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Biggest concern is the computer deciding who dies and who lives.
If an accident is unavoidable what does the computer do. Swerve to avoid the car but risks your life or does it stay on course?!
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what would your choice be ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"alarm bells ring when you read and hear of this
Accidents
Fatalities
Job Losses
Redundancies
corruption
perhaps a pessimistic view, there must be optimist thoughts, anyone suggest some"
Google and read about driverless cars they are trialling in America, there are quite a few crashes as there is no human interface. In other words the cars stick to the rules of the road, humans don't as we all know from the large amount of posts complaining about driving standards. |
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By *olgateMan
over a year ago
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"Biggest concern is the computer deciding who dies and who lives.
If an accident is unavoidable what does the computer do. Swerve to avoid the car but risks your life or does it stay on course?!
what would your choice be ?"
the softest |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well my daily commute is only 16 miles down the A38. It's quite commonplace to see drivers excessively speeding, undertaking, tailgating and talking on their phones. I even saw one idiot on Friday with his phone resting on the steering wheel, while he merrily texted away.
Frankly I'd rather trust a computer. |
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By *ofakindCouple
over a year ago
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"If you take human control out of everything, which is where the future seems to heading, it will only be a matter of time and technology until the AI's get together and decide humanity is superfluous.
Whoops, Skynet/Terminator? Matrix?
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Driving too and from jobs every day I'd love to see a computer do the in-between, it won't happen, ever, unless there are puncture proof, wear proof tyres, keeping these cars on the road |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would it mean I can get home from that remote country pub without fear of being stopped by the police ?
Would it know if the police were trying to stop it or just ignore them and carry on ? Would I get the points/ban/fie or would it all be the car's fault ? |
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Driveless car already exist, legislation is the problem, imagine driving before auto this however is the future. Mechanical mind can always out perform human, saves money, makes fewer mistakes able to travel for longer hours (24) without rest, will undercut millions of jobs in the Transportation industry from lorries, post, taxi drivers and such. Fortunately or unfortunately depending where you sit. |
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"alarm bells ring when you read and hear of this
Accidents
Fatalities
Job Losses
Redundancies
corruption
perhaps a pessimistic view, there must be optimist thoughts, anyone suggest some
Google and read about driverless cars they are trialling in America, there are quite a few crashes as there is no human interface. In other words the cars stick to the rules of the road, humans don't as we all know from the large amount of posts complaining about driving standards."
That is were the law will have to give a big incentive to change to driveless car until it becomes the norm and law e.g oster card (london transport). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Google Street cam cars have clocked over 1 million miles driverless... personally I wouldn't trust one.. 'they' also mentioned that these cars need to see white lines on the road so there would be many roads they couldn't use... or in the snow all the white on the roads would send the computers into meltdown..
And how long would it take until some bright spark would think it funny to go out with a white spray can just to see how many driverless cars they could crash... |
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