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Will you kick us out of The country?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Référendum in June, It means around 2 or 3 million of us living here Will need a visa. Interesting to see What will happen.

Please don't kick me out!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it? I heard them who live In the uk now, will be fine, its them entering after uk left that needs it.

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By *irkby coupleCouple over a year ago

Kirkby

I'll be voting to get out of Europe, never really thought about the Europeans who already live here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well this is certainly a new twist on a look at me thread.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Référendum in June, It means around 2 or 3 million of us living here Will need a visa. Interesting to see What will happen.

Please don't kick me out!"

I believe the referendum is about whether we leave or stay in the EU, not whether any foreign nationals here get "kicked out."

You're safe.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

For the last 20 years, every year I make a promise to myself to return home. I've broken 20 promises to myself. Maybe this will be good for me

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By *otblondewife hornyMrCouple over a year ago

Cambuslang

You do realise that Europe is a continent?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I'll be voting to get out of Europe, never really thought about the Europeans who already live here. "

I think we are 2 or 3 millions...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"For the last 20 years, every year I make a promise to myself to return home. I've broken 20 promises to myself. Maybe this will be good for me"

I arrived in 2007, left in 2013 and came back last September.

People Ask why??? I can't really answer

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By *abphilMan over a year ago

sheffield

"I'll be voting to get out of Europe, never really thought about the Europeans who already live here.

I think we are 2 or 3 millions..."

Trains, buses, planes, cars, skateboards and cycles must be millions of em lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think this is a bit of a cheap shot to be honest. No one is going to get kicked out its inhumane and would never get the go ahead. It's about the future generations, employment for the next generation, investments and dedicated help to the folk of the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"I arrived in 2007, left in 2013 and came back last September.

People Ask why??? I can't really answer"

Oh, you're supposed to say it's because it is great here

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

Have you lived abroad?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For the last 20 years, every year I make a promise to myself to return home. I've broken 20 promises to myself. Maybe this will be good for me

I arrived in 2007, left in 2013 and came back last September.

People Ask why??? I can't really answer"

Only you can answer that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

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+1

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

+1"

The fine food, good weather and cheerful misdemeanour of the British people.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

+1"

It is warmer, not too many rules, a relaxed easy-paced lifestyle and I've made lots of friends here

Only intended to stop-over here for 3 days!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

The fine food, good weather and cheerful misdemeanour of the British people.

On the whole, we are a sarcastic bloody-minded race - with shit weather.

But kind of likeable, all the same.

Not sure why the OP wants to stay here though. Maybe we have endeared ourselves to him.

Somehow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

It is warmer, not too many rules, a relaxed easy-paced lifestyle and I've made lots of friends here

Only intended to stop-over here for 3 days!"

You must be from the Siberian region. I'm freezing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's absolute nonsense. Where did you hear that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I doubt we are going to chuck out every European. More scare mongering. It's going to be a long three months !

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

It is warmer, not too many rules, a relaxed easy-paced lifestyle and I've made lots of friends here

Only intended to stop-over here for 3 days!

You must be from the Siberian region. I'm freezing

It is 4 Celcius here. It's not warm today but it is not cold either. And anyway, the summers are hot

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

Those who complain about shit weather here are more likely to live on the west side of the country. Where the weather is indeed shit

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By *abphilMan over a year ago

sheffield

"Those who complain about shit weather here are more likely to live on the west side of the country. Where the weather is indeed shit

It aint great in south yorks kinky

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"Référendum in June, It means around 2 or 3 million of us living here Will need a visa. Interesting to see What will happen.

Please don't kick me out!"

I doubt you will be kicked out of UK;

In the same way as I don't be kicked out of your country;

Actually, under the Vienna Conventions, those who have " acquired rights " of residence in one country, eg Current EU nationals, cannot lose those rights as a result of changes to the change of membership of the EU.

Do you can't be kicked out, legally.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can we separate 'Europe' from the 'EU' please? I don't know of anyone suggesting people are 'deported' or 'sent home'. What we CAN do though is refuse entry to criminals and send home the criminals we DO catch ...

So OP you will be made as welcome after a Brexit as you are now.

Personal opinion is I think we will and should stop benefits / Tax Credits being paid to foreign Nationals especially Child benefit going abroad. That will drive out those out of work (if any) and make others think if they want to become British Citizens. They will be more than welcome.

I remember when I went to work in Germany I had to get an Entry Visa from the German Consulate in London and then a Work Visa from the Town Hall where I was employed. Same when I went to the USA. No reason we can't instigate just such a control system.

What the real issue is, and benefits are, to leaving is the fact we can make our own immigration policy and decide a) the skills we need, b) where those skills are sourced from and c) the total size of our population over a period of time. It has been a sense of great shame to me we welcome some unemployed labourer from Romania or France or Sweden but we close the door on Doctors, Surgeons and Lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada etc.

And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

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By *ub_liminalTVTV/TS over a year ago

Belfast

The UK needs to claw back border controls, the influx has been unprecedented and is putting a visible, tangible strain on public infrastructure.

Existing residents from continental EU regions that have lived , worked and contributed .. Not clear on what the exit strategy campaign policy will be, it would put me off voting no(to remaining within the EU) if it was as clumsy as "you weren't born here,get out".

The European union as it is seems like a sinking ship. Successful economies being held to ransom and being made to tow certain unacceptable lines by far flung back water nations for self serving ends.

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

People want to come here because we are the most accommodating and racially tolerant country in the world.

Unless you are a Polish fencer obviously

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People want to come here because we are the most accommodating and racially tolerant country in the world.

Unless you are a Polish fencer obviously

Hahahaha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Référendum in June, It means around 2 or 3 million of us living here Will need a visa. Interesting to see What will happen.

Please don't kick me out!"

Then get a visa or what ever is required,

If you are working, your employer will assist with this

If you go to USA or Australia, you normally need a visa or at least the correct paperwork completed and that is what is needed here

If you have all paperwork and requirements in order and you are legal to be here you will not be kicked out

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

cahoots

"People want to come here because we are the most accommodating and racially tolerant country in the world.

Unless you are a Polish fencer obviously

....or shot putter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Be fine dude. Just do what I did and get a British passport just in case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm currently on a long term contract in Germany, will my working conditions change.

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By *eteinhantsMan over a year ago

Southsea

If we throw you out which i am sure we cant, we would then have all the Ex Pats sent back to us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It has been a sense of great shame to me we welcome some unemployed labourer from Romania or France or Sweden but we close the door on Doctors, Surgeons and Lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada etc

That is more scaremongering nonsense. If we in the UK close the door on doctors, surgeons and lecturers from New Zealand, Australia or Canada that's entirely a UK government immigration decision. The U.K. runs its own points based Australian style immigration system for those people and it's a totally sovereign UK power to decide how many people to allow in to work from outside the eu.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

And this is more scaremongering about Turkey. It's especially surprising from someone who has posted many times on how lovely it is to holiday in Turkey, that it's a safe place and perfectly fine for people to live in and visit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can we separate 'Europe' from the 'EU' please? I don't know of anyone suggesting people are 'deported' or 'sent home'. What we CAN do though is refuse entry to criminals and send home the criminals we DO catch ...

So OP you will be made as welcome after a Brexit as you are now.

And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tell them you are a fabster, and if they fuck with you, they fuck with us all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

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free schooling free health service...benefits...free housing go top of list,free training,well free to them but not us mug tax payers.

they crossover 10 countries to get here so its quite easy to work out

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Référendum in June, It means around 2 or 3 million of us living here Will need a visa. Interesting to see What will happen.

Please don't kick me out!"

You can't be kicked out although many on the "remain" side would like to make you and the voters think that.

Ignore project fear and read the 1969 Vienna convention instead.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

So Norway accepts "ALL" EU legislation?

Please provide a link to back that up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia."

You'd better sort out the party line with your mates, it's them who are telling us how wonderful it is to visit turkey and you who says it isn't. Both are different aspects of the same scaremongering.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

So Norway accepts "ALL" EU legislation?

Please provide a link to back that up."

You can look it up for yourself in EFTA's annual report available from their web site. You'll find that they have to adopt all legislation relevant to their EEA relationship (not of course ALL EU legislation but all the relevant EU legislation). You'll also find in the report that they are setting up measures to improve the efficiency of their implementation of regulations.

Then of course if you do your own research you'll find that they adopt Europe legislation that they don't have to under the EEA agreement because it represents good practice. You can find that in Norwegian government reports and their strategy for the eu relationship.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

So Norway accepts "ALL" EU legislation?

Please provide a link to back that up."

I have several friends in Norway, and the quote came from a conversation in their hot tub, so not sure how to link to that

But they do have open land borders to Sweden as our friends do most of their shopping in Sweden due to higher taxes on everything in Norway.

There have been recent tv news interviews with Norwegians who are considering a referendum to join the EU fully, I am sure you could find links to. Usual point is they have to pay to trade, have to comply with the EU on everything except fishing rights, but don't have any voting rights in the EU.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all."

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

Well I'll tell you this. Young girls in Germany and Sweden are genuinely scared to walk the streets at night. They are genuinely scared of visiting a swimming pool. They are genuinely scared of walking through a busy town or city centre (even in daylight) They are genuinely scared of the same in railway stations.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air."

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?"

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Brexit case is one built almost entirely on an anti-immigration narrative.

If they win that battle, there will be many who consider the war to not be over. I certainly wouldn't be sitting very comfortably right now if I was a recent immigrant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

Because the stupid dumbass government give them money and let's them jump the housing list then let's them bring all their bloody family here that's why

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia."

Turkey is acting more like a dictatorship with each passing day. The government overtook a Turkish newspaper the other day who dared to criticise the government. But let's face it the EU loves a lack of democracy so they will probably welcome Turkey with open arms.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

We won't follow the Norwegian model. We won't follow the Swiss model either. We will have a unique British model when we leave the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

probably welcome Turkey with open arms. "

Does making things up count as scaremongering?

The Turks have (unfortunately, in my opinion) put back any chance of membership for years in the last few days as anyone without a massive agenda can plainly see.

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?"

But if we are not in the club why should we worry about who joins it? Britain stays in the EU then 75 million Turks will will be able to travel without visas. Britain leaves the EU then it can opt out, simples.

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

We won't follow the Norwegian model. We won't follow the Swiss model either. We will have a unique British model when we leave the EU. "

Would you kindly describe the key features of that model?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it."

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

Meanwhile within the EU the UK has veto power. If our government and the people here really hate Turkish people so much, then they can veto entry with no problem. Simple really - but of course irrational nationalism would tear the country apart and destroy the economy to achieve the same aim. (Yep scaremongering).

On a personal point I work with people from a number of countries, including Turkish people and they are perfectly respectable, normal human beings. I guess all the real monsters must accumulate around you - I can't think why they'd be attracted there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Still trying to misquote people I see. I have NEVER posted about Turkey. I have NEVER holidayed in Turkey. I have driven through it in a truck though.

So its 'scaremongering' to point out that if we remain IN the EU and Turkey joins as the EU wish it to then we are are at risk of having to accept hundreds of thousands of Turkish migrants? THAT IS A FACT. Oh wait .. are we going to get the 'It will only be 30,000' bullshit Blair and the liberal do gooder Lefties peddled us back when they opened the doors 7 years before anyone else to Eastern European migration? That 30,000 became 3 million.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Still trying to misquote people I see. I have NEVER posted about Turkey. I have NEVER holidayed in Turkey. I have driven through it in a truck though.

Can you read a little bit more carefully? How does the EU veto on accession work?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?"

Poor old Centaur_UKIP? The only tired old person in this debate is you. Are you drawing your pension yet? Better get in quick before your BSE campaign friend George Osborne puts the pension age up again. You are the one who is desperate to cling to an old, out of date analogue union which is not fit for purpose in the now digital global modern age.

The personal view of the director general of the British chamber of commerce is very clear, "Britain will be better off outside of the EU".

In fact he is in several of the Sunday newspapers today reaffirming his views even more strongly than he did the other day at the British chamber of commerce conference.

Secondly if we vote the leave the EU in June I couldn't care less if Turkey joins the EU after we have left. We'll be out of the rotting corrupt organisation so it won't affect us here in the UK if Turkey joins.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Always smile when the 'Remains' call factual description 'scaremongering' when they are running 'Project Fear' with all guns blazing!

No Old Son we DO discriminate against our Commonwealth brothers and sisters for one simple reason. (And its not this points based system which we don't have by the way). Its because we now have too much immigration. Our facilities, health, education and housing systems are over loaded with EU migrants and so we have to limit in the only area we can: Non-EU migration. The ONLY way to balance migration to our needs and capabilities is by regaining controls of our borders and we can only do THAT by leaving the EU. ITS REALLY SIMPLE.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Look at the advantages -

- No Need to concrete over the green belt to provide housing

- Reduced Hospital Waiting Times

- Less Crowded Public Transport

- Increase in Quality of State Education

- Jobs for the 2.5 million "unemployed"

- Fall in Crime as criminal gangs are deported and there are less desperate people on our streets.

- Ability to make our own laws and not be dictated to by Germany, France or vetoed on reforms by Roumania.

Of course it isn't going to be that simple but it certainly isn't going to be the disaster some are predictiing WHEN we leave.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

free schooling free health service...benefits...free housing go top of list,free training,well free to them but not us mug tax payers.

they crossover 10 countries to get here so its quite easy to work out"

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By *llen n SebbCouple over a year ago

Walkinstown

If the UK exits EU, it doesn't mean that automatic Visas can't be issued for European neighbours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey? "

Well can I gently point out that if a) the UK leaves the EU and b) Turkey apply to join the EU then c) we couldn't care less as we will have regained TOTAL sovereignty over our borders by the very act of leaving...

Nice try and word manipulation again ...

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

No as Michael Gove pointed out today in the Sunday newspapers the EU is encouraging the rise of fascism and Hitler worshippers particularly the Golden Dawn movement in Greece. But if you want to align yourself with an organisation that encourages fascism and hitler worshippers go right ahead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Always smile when the 'Remains' call factual description 'scaremongering' when they are running 'Project Fear' with all guns blazing!

So you're trying to excuse your scaremongering lie about doctors and lecturers (I'd love to discuss that with you having a few academic friends myself) from Australia, Canada etc being excluded by coming up with other unsubstantiated bullshit.

Meanwhile, you can pop along and google UK points based visa system, then pop back and apologise for another lie. It's 75 points for a PhD by the way - far more than enough to get a visa.

Please though, don't let any element of the truth get in the way of your fantasy world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

It is always worth noting who is doing this 'touting' of the Norwegian or Swiss models of exit. Its the 'Remain' outfit who know neither of them are a viable option for the UK. No one in the 'Leave' outfit are suggesting anything like it.

Sometimes its helpful to note WHO is saying it will be Hell and Damnation rather than what they are suggesting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

Nice try and word manipulation again ...

I can gently point out that we don't need to leave the EU to achieve that objective. It was you scaremongering about the EU letting them in -something that's not even remotely on the radar. As usual, a lie from you.

And again for the record, I work with people from Turkey and see no reason to fear them. But then again I'm not as xenophobic or irrationally nationalistic as some people.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

free schooling free health service...benefits...free housing go top of list,free training,well free to them but not us mug tax payers.

they crossover 10 countries to get here so its quite easy to work out

They always wanted to ride the big red London bus?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Please though, don't let any element of the truth get in the way of your fantasy world. "

Coming from someone who is the past master at misquoting, changing words, taking out of context and telling bare faced lies that is a bit rich. But hey same shit different day from you...

But your trying to be rather clever has trapped you. We do NOT have a points based immigration system in total. IN TOTAL. We have an open door policy dictated by the EU for ANYONE and ALL who live in the EU. We DO restrict the numbers from OUTSIDE the EU because we have too may immigrants already coming here from the EU.

So: Inter Alia we MUST be discriminating against potential non-EU migrants by NOT applying the same open door policy. And yes we attach points to THEM but not EVERYONE. THAT is called 'DISCRIMINATION'....

Now go and have fun changing all that ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

Sometimes its helpful to note WHO is saying it will be Hell and Damnation rather than what they are suggesting."

It is worth noting that the whole touting of the Norwegian model on here started with exit campaigners. I remember it fondly, and then people started mentioning the prospect of faxed legislation, keeping free movement of labour and still having to pay for the deal.

All of a sudden we hear a stampede of back pedalling from Eurosceptics. Now some are trying to pretend that wasn't even the case.

Make your mind up old pal, how is this going to work?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

Sometimes its helpful to note WHO is saying it will be Hell and Damnation rather than what they are suggesting."

Whilst I completely agree that Britain would not have to negotiate Norwegian or Swiss-style deals, it's similarly untruthful to suggest that Britain is

so incredibly important and powerful that leaving the EU will not have significant effect on trade deals and therefore the British economy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If the UK exits EU, it doesn't mean that automatic Visas can't be issued for European neighbours. "

If we vote to leave, that does not mean we leave. Boris is openly saying we should vote to leave as a bargaining chip to renegotiate how we stay in.

Who ever is in charge after June to actually leave will take a minimum of 2 years, and there will be no bar to European immigration in that time.

Personally I think whatever the vote says, we will stay in the EU anyway.

Immigration is not going to be resolved by staying or going, what we should focus on is developing our own country, so we don't need to go shopping in the Philippines for thousands of nurses, because it's too expensive to train our own. and we need a constitution of our own so that if the EU brings in a rule our government have to run that past the UK constitution before blindly accepting it. But of course that would take a proper government that works for the UK which we can't seem to get.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Please though, don't let any element of the truth get in the way of your fantasy world.

Coming from someone who is the past master at misquoting, changing words, taking out of context and telling bare faced lies that is a bit rich. But hey same shit different day from you...

Now go and have fun changing all that ...."

So now we do have a points based immigration system? Make your mind up, I'm beginning to think you don't have the foggiest idea.

So it discriminates against doctors form Australia, Canada and New Zealand does it? Who writes those rules? It's time for you to pop along to your local MP and complain to him/her about this. It's got nothing to do with the EU at all.

Now discrimination is an interesting point - so you are saying you are against immigration rules that discriminate against people coming into the country? Are you saying we should apply an open door policy to all immigrants - after all that is the ONLY immigration policy that does not discriminate?

In case you hadn't noticed, immigration rules are by their very nature discriminatory.

I don't need to change your words - you do it every single time you post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When you see a British Prime Minister stood beaming alongside a French President while that President threatens 'consequences' against the British people for exercising their democratic rights you know how corrupt and failed the EU 'project' has become. And how Cameron has now driven out all reasonable debate. And the BBC said how nice it was ....

And even MORE alarming is at the same time he was signing over £ hundreds of millions of UK taxpayer funded research and development of our advanced drone technology to France!

Hang on Mr Cameron: Your duty is to the British people not the EU Project. Your duty is the national security and defence of British people not the French. Or have you conveniently forgotten how the French left NATO when it suited them? How they shafted us over the Carrier and Typhoon programmes? As a lifelong Tory voter and past supporter of Cameron it makes me want to puke ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Now discrimination is an interesting point - so you are saying you are against immigration rules that discriminate against people coming into the country? Are you saying we should apply an open door policy to all immigrants - after all that is the ONLY immigration policy that does not discriminate?

In case you hadn't noticed, immigration rules are by their very nature discriminatory.

I don't need to change your words - you do it every single time you post. "

Oh dear nice try but FAILED!

Having one policy of an open door for EU citizens and another policy of a restrictive system for non-EU citizens is discriminatory. they are not the same. They are different. They are not equal. Is that too simple for you?

And NO I am not advocating an 'open door for all' policy as you well know but choose to misrepresent. By leaving the EU we instigate a points based system FOR EVERYONE. That is self-evidently non-discriminatory. It is fair. It is equal. It is right.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"The Brexit case is one built almost entirely on an anti-immigration narrative.

If they win that battle, there will be many who consider the war to not be over. I certainly wouldn't be sitting very comfortably right now if I was a recent immigrant."

Really, then you better ask Kate Hoey (Labour MP), John Mills (large Private donor the the Labour party), and George Galloway about that. The left wing socialist case for leaving the EU is very strong, which they are making the case for and which Tony Benn made the case for his whole life, is that the EU is fundamentally undemocratic and it undermines the sovereignty of the UK and the UK parliament. UK laws are now subservient to EU laws. The EU practically overthrew a democratically elected government in Greece and imposed EU austerity on them against their own will. The EU is deeply OPPOSED to any kind of meaningful reform, which was perfectly demonstrated by David Cameron's pathetic renegotiation deal.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters."

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

Open your eyes man! Its been all over the news for many months, the far right is on the rise all over europe. I mentioned the Golden Dawn movement in greece, but if you look at Scandinavia there you have the "Soldiers of Odin" Movement. The rise of "Front National" in France. It is plain for everyone to see (apart from you it seems).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In case you hadn't noticed, immigration rules are by their very nature discriminatory.

I don't need to change your words - you do it every single time you post.

Oh dear nice try but FAILED!

I've allowed you a bit of a ramble , let's go back to your original piece of scaremongering and after it, now you know a bit more about immigration procedures perhaps you can answer some straightforward questions. So here are your words:

"It has been a sense of great shame to me we welcome some unemployed labourer from Romania or France or Sweden but we close the door on Doctors, Surgeons and Lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada etc

Now tell me: who is in control of closing the doors on doctors, surgeons and lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada? Is it the UK Border Agency? Are they applying UK law?

Who is responsible if those doctors, surgeons and lecturers can't do their work here? Who closes the door?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

You have gone completely nuts haven't you? For month after month you've been spouting xenophobic crap force fed to you by the very type of movement that you are now saying is on the rise. The far right will always try to sneak in under the guise of that sort of irrational nationalism and it'll be people like you who encourage it to happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Try reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail and then tell me who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

Probably because the shithole that they came from was an even bigger shithole than this one - oh and we pay benefits and have free healthcare too whereas a lot of shitholes don't .... that could be a little incentive.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

I've not been spouting xenophobic crap on here month after month, the line i take is a centre/right line which many UKIP and Conservative politicians have expressed. The Conservative party and UKIP are both centre/right parties. The Conservative party won the general election remember and UKIP won the last European elections here and came 3rd in terms of share of the vote in the general election. Are you seriously calling UKIP and the Conservative parties far right parties now????

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration. "

Thats what annoys me. Anyone who wants out of the EU is just dismissed as blinkered or xenophobic for some reason. Its pathetic

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

Someone is a very angry old man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

Swansea University did in depth interviews with refugees in a paper published in 2010 which can be found on Google under "Why asylum seekers come to the UK". You can read it for yourself, it's quite short but it makes some interesting points:

a) The decision to leave

"For all of those who participated in the research, the primary objective was reaching a place of safety. The decision about where that place of safety might be was very much a secondary consideration. The majority of respondents had very little time to plan their journey and left within a matter of days or, at most, weeks of deciding their safety was at risk if they did not leave the country".

The reason for choosing the UK

Less than a third of the research participants specifically wanted to come to the UK. For those that did, the presence of family and friends and a belief that their human rights would be respected were the most important factors underlying that decision.

For some the decision to come to the UK was opportunistic and motivated by the fact that it was possible to obtain travel documents, or make use of an existing visa.

Just over two-thirds of respondents did not choose to come to the UK. This includes all but one of those who arrived as separated children. In very many cases respondents described having little or no knowledge of the UK. Some were aware of the existence of Europe but had no knowledge about the differences between individual countries (or even that individual countries existed).

The single most important reason why these asylum seekers had ended up in the UK was because a decision to bring them here had been made by others, usually by an agent. Most only became aware that they were going to the UK after leaving their country of origin. Some, including many of those who arrived as children, only found out that they were in the UK after their arrival. Some people wanted to go to countries other than the UK but were unable to do so. This reflects the lack of choice that many asylum seekers have over the destination country."

I doubt that any of them described the UK as a shithole, but they were definitely escaping from very bad places.

Their main reasons if they knew they were coming here:

--Family

--Friends

--Belief that human rights would be respected

Virtually no one when interviewed says they're doing it for free housing, benefits or whatever.

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

The young Polish couple we were shagging last night can stay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration. "

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Thats what annoys me. Anyone who wants out of the EU is just dismissed as blinkered or xenophobic for some reason. Its pathetic"

Have you actually followed the nonsense he writes? That's pathetic.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx"

Aww what sweeties you are together xxx

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx

Aww what sweeties you are together xxx

Thanks; we are inviting you to the wedding for a threesome; now please don't turn me down

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx

Aww what sweeties you are together xxx

Thanks; we are inviting you to the wedding for a threesome; now please don't turn me down

I could make it but he really doesn't like Germans

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx

Aww what sweeties you are together xxx

Thanks; we are inviting you to the wedding for a threesome; now please don't turn me down

I could make it but he really doesn't like Germans

That is OK. I can now speak 'gud' English and can pretend to like Fish 'n' Chips. And once I marry him, I can't be thrown out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Thats what annoys me. Anyone who wants out of the EU is just dismissed as blinkered or xenophobic for some reason. Its pathetic

Have you actually followed the nonsense he writes? That's pathetic."

Yep. And thats your opinion and probably a minority one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Thats what annoys me. Anyone who wants out of the EU is just dismissed as blinkered or xenophobic for some reason. Its pathetic

Have you actually followed the nonsense he writes? That's pathetic.

Yep. And thats your opinion and probably a minority one"

Good for you. I'm comfortable with the minority who are thinking for themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx

Aww what sweeties you are together xxx

Thanks; we are inviting you to the wedding for a threesome; now please don't turn me down

I could make it but he really doesn't like Germans

That is OK. I can now speak 'gud' English and can pretend to like Fish 'n' Chips. And once I marry him, I can't be thrown out

You're relying on him turning up and keeping a commitment with a foreigner? I wish both of you all the luck you deserve with that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Now tell me: who is in control of closing the doors on doctors, surgeons and lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada? Is it the UK Border Agency? Are they applying UK law?

Who is responsible if those doctors, surgeons and lecturers can't do their work here? Who closes the door? "

And again we have the usual trick of misrepresentation and false quoting...

OK my last response on this because you are a just a trolling waste of bandwidth:

The UK does NOT control its borders. The EU does and it does it by imposing an open door policy for all EU citizens on the UK. This has caused a huge overload on all our infrastructure, public services and housing. This overload then means we have to limit and DISCRIMINATE against non-EU citizens to keep the numbers down. Within that limitation we apply a points based system FOR THEM ONLY. Again a DISCRIMINATION. I never said otherwise. Like I never said I had holidayed in Turkey or ever posted how great Turkey is. As it happens its a fucking shithole but never mind...

This open door policy has also depressed wages (ask the 'Remain' leader Sir Stuart Rose) who agreed this week that if we leave the EU 'wages would rise. But that isn't necessarily a good thing'. And there we have the raw vested interests of large businesses like M & S who love the EU and toe the Governement line because they make profits to pay people like Rose £ millions on the backs of low paid immigrants.

"Its not just any low pay. Its M & S low pay"

650,000 new NI numbers were issued to EU citizens last year despite us being told only (well ONLY?) 260,000 came here. Multiply JUST the difference by only 6 years and you get ANOTHER 2.4 million people in the UK we didn't even know about!! To put this invisible number into perspective: Paris is some 2.2 million. Toronto is Canada's largest city. It has 2.5 million people.

That means 650,000 new people last year can claim all the benefits but have not paid a bloody penny in. So that is why we have Romanian and other nationality families happily sitting in Council houses being paid £300 a week with no intention of working. Why should they?

That is the effect of EU policy. That is why we have to discriminate against better qualified non-EU migrants. THAT is why we will leave.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

In answer to your question it is the EU, which is helping the rise of Fascism and far right parties in Europe such as the Golden Dawn in Greece, The Soldiers of Odin in Scandinavia and Front National in France. Read Micheal Gove (Conservative MP and justice secretary) article about it today in the Sunday Times...

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Virtually no one when interviewed says they're doing it for free housing, benefits or whatever. "

Do forgive me but I just HAD to respond to this classic from the 'Remain General in Chief' and it has to be:

"No shit Sherlock!"

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I wouldn't worry OP, if we leave then follow the often touted Norwegian model then we will have open borders with Europe. Plus we will accept all EU legislation before the EU members do

We won't follow the Norwegian model. We won't follow the Swiss model either. We will have a unique British model when we leave the EU. "

funny enough that whats the scots who wanted independence said when they talked about leaving the UK........

we will negiotiate with the UK and get everything we want......

so prey tell centaur... what will this "uniquely british" model look like??? i am just wondering what you think the uk will get that the swiss/norwegians and everyone else within the EEA gets!!!

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx

Aww what sweeties you are together xxx

Thanks; we are inviting you to the wedding for a threesome; now please don't turn me down

I could make it but he really doesn't like Germans

You would probably throw that same accusation at Nigel Farage, only the fact is Nigel Farage has a German wife.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Now tell me: who is in control of closing the doors on doctors, surgeons and lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada? Is it the UK Border Agency? Are they applying UK law?

Who is responsible if those doctors, surgeons and lecturers can't do their work here? Who closes the door?

And again we have the usual trick of misrepresentation and false quoting...

OK my last response on this because you are a just a trolling waste of bandwidth:

"Its not just any low pay. Its M & S low pay"

That is the effect of EU policy. That is why we have to discriminate against better qualified non-EU migrants. THAT is why we will leave."

When are you going to answer the questions instead of waffling along with a smoke screen of all your other prejudices? Let's stick with the point you raised about doctors, surgeons and lecturers. Stop avoiding discussing the point that you raised originally.

Tell me: who is in control of closing the doors on doctors, surgeons and lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada? Is it the UK Border Agency? Are they applying UK law?

Who is responsible if those doctors, surgeons and lecturers can't do their work here? Who closes the door?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone is a very angry old man

Not me i'm only 38 years old.

No, not you; xxx

Aww what sweeties you are together xxx

Thanks; we are inviting you to the wedding for a threesome; now please don't turn me down

I could make it but he really doesn't like Germans

You would probably throw that same accusation at Nigel Farage, only the fact is Nigel Farage has a German wife.

Go for it Centaur UKIP - a nice German girl to keep you in line. It could be the FAB wedding of the year

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html"

Come on Mr Moderate Centrist UKIP man - justify the Farage and UKIP position on its dealings with far right parties. You know too well that some of UKIPs own MEPs are sick of the hypocrisy involved in that association.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Virtually no one when interviewed says they're doing it for free housing, benefits or whatever.

Do forgive me but I just HAD to respond to this classic from the 'Remain General in Chief' and it has to be:

"No shit Sherlock!"

So which authoritative surveys of immigrant views are you quoting to back up your views, Clousseau?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html""

You really need to make your mind up. You called me a Conservative just a few posts ago.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i would kick you out, as your posts are boring

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

You really need to make your mind up. You called me a Conservative just a few posts ago.

My mind is made up about you, don't worry. How are you getting on with justifying the fascist and far right links of UKIP?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would kick you out, as your posts are boring

Other threads are available. You could always try:

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/481124

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"i would kick you out, as your posts are boring

Other threads are available. You could always try:

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/481124"

Whaou didn't expect so Many people taking it Litteraly. Obviously I am not believ inf. If not thé Country Will face more problems than keeping is in.

As for some of thé comments I am amazed too that people don't have better things to do than looking at and fetching some post I made in thé past.

At least you won something, I Doubt I Will instigate a post in thé future, feel creepy some random blokes go to thé extend of digging out what I am putting on a thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would kick you out, as your posts are boring

Other threads are available. You could always try:

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/481124

Whaou didn't expect so Many people taking it Litteraly. Obviously I am not believ inf. If not thé Country Will face more problems than keeping is in.

As for some of thé comments I am amazed too that people don't have better things to do than looking at and fetching some post I made in thé past.

At least you won something, I Doubt I Will instigate a post in thé future, feel creepy some random blokes go to thé extend of digging out what I am putting on a thread

It is however par for the course that people will click on the green tick and see what else you've commented on etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i would kick you out, as your posts are boring

Other threads are available. You could always try:

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/481124

Whaou didn't expect so Many people taking it Litteraly. Obviously I am not believ inf. If not thé Country Will face more problems than keeping is in.

As for some of thé comments I am amazed too that people don't have better things to do than looking at and fetching some post I made in thé past.

At least you won something, I Doubt I Will instigate a post in thé future, feel creepy some random blokes go to thé extend of digging out what I am putting on a thread

It is however par for the course that people will click on the green tick and see what else you've commented on etc "

I picked it at random. Nothing at all to do with frogsummer or green arrows.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It has become fa too much political guys. Never meant it to go that far.

But justifying that it is thé EU fault there is so much far right voters currently by quoting a daily mail article analysis (paradox in itself) is beyond thé joke.

At least read more than one source (thé Sun is not an acceptable amternative!!!)

Anyway be cool we won't solve problems nor convince others here.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It has become fa too much political guys. Never meant it to go that far.

But justifying that it is thé EU fault there is so much far right voters currently by quoting a daily mail article analysis (paradox in itself) is beyond thé joke.

At least read more than one source (thé Sun is not an acceptable amternative!!!)

Anyway be cool we won't solve problems nor convince others here."

I'll tell you what is a joke, when the remain in campaign post links to the Daily Mail its all fine and dandy, no one bats an eyelid and then when a vote Leave supporter posts a link to the Daily Mail people like you jump on it and its far right voters using a far right newspaper to justify their views? That is the real paradox .

Secondly i did post another source in case you missed it was the Sunday Times.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Virtually no one when interviewed says they're doing it for free housing, benefits or whatever.

Do forgive me but I just HAD to respond to this classic from the 'Remain General in Chief' and it has to be:

"No shit Sherlock!"

So which authoritative surveys of immigrant views are you quoting to back up your views, Clousseau? "

Errr .. actually those were YOUR words. And I believe YOU were quoting Swansea University? Let me remind you:

" Swansea University did in depth interviews with refugees in a paper published in 2010 which can be found on Google under "Why asylum seekers come to the UK". You can read it for yourself, it's quite short but it makes some interesting points:

a) The decision to leave

The reason for choosing the UK

For some the decision to come to the UK was opportunistic and motivated by the fact that it was possible to obtain travel documents, or make use of an existing visa.

I doubt that any of them described the UK as a shithole, but they were definitely escaping from very bad places.

Their main reasons if they knew they were coming here:

--Family

--Friends

--Belief that human rights would be respected

Virtually no one when interviewed says they're doing it for free housing, benefits or whatever."

from 2 hours ago .... been drinking have we?

My response could also have used those immortal words of Mandy Rice-Davies who said "They would say that wouldn't they". But I guess you don't do humour or subtlety.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Virtually no one when interviewed says they're doing it for free housing, benefits or whatever.

Do forgive me but I just HAD to respond to this classic from the 'Remain General in Chief' and it has to be:

"No shit Sherlock!"

So which authoritative surveys of immigrant views are you quoting to back up your views, Clousseau?

Errr .. actually those were YOUR words. And I believe YOU were quoting Swansea University? Let me remind you:

a) The decision to leave

The reason for choosing the UK

For some the decision to come to the UK was opportunistic and motivated by the fact that it was possible to obtain travel documents, or make use of an existing visa.

I doubt that any of them described the UK as a shithole, but they were definitely escaping from very bad places.

Their main reasons if they knew they were coming here:

--Family

--Friends

--Belief that human rights would be respected

Virtually no one when interviewed says they're doing it for free housing, benefits or whatever.

from 2 hours ago .... been drinking have we?

My response could also have used those immortal words of Mandy Rice-Davies who said "They would say that wouldn't they". But I guess you don't do humour or subtlety.

I don't know what you're smoking but it's bad for your brain cell Clousseau. I asked you what authoritative source you are quoting to support your views and you quote me quoting Swansea University. Wake up and read what was actually asked.

Now answer the question. Delighted as I am to be your authoritative source please try to find another independent one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has become fa too much political guys. Never meant it to go that far.

But justifying that it is thé EU fault there is so much far right voters currently by quoting a daily mail article analysis (paradox in itself) is beyond thé joke.

At least read more than one source (thé Sun is not an acceptable amternative!!!)

Anyway be cool we won't solve problems nor convince others here.

Secondly i did post another source in case you missed it was the Sunday Times. "

You still haven't answered. What about ukips far right links? As reported in the daily mail.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

You really need to make your mind up. You called me a Conservative just a few posts ago.

My mind is made up about you, don't worry. How are you getting on with justifying the fascist and far right links of UKIP?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html""

I don't need to justify anything to you, and if you had bothered to read the links i posted to the Sunday Times and the Daily Mail earlier in the thread you would see Micheal Gove also talks about Neo Nazis just being elected in the Slovenia elections.

The article also talks about the ex governor of the Bank of England Mervyn Kings views on this where he says the very purpose of the EU to bind european countries together to prevent war in Europe was having the OPPOSITE effect of what it first intended, and countries like Greece and Italy were becoming increasingly hostile and suspicious towards Germany and the very existence of the EU is now making those tensions between countries much worse. Mervyn King ex govenor of the bank of England supports Brexit by the way and as a much respected figure in the banking world he thinks the Eurozone is doomed to failure...

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/28/mervyn-king-the-eurozone-is-doomed/

Lord Lamont (former Tory Chancellor of the exchequer 1990-1993) was also on Sky news Murnaghan programme this morning saying "There is no doubt at all the rise of the Golden Dawn in Greece was directly linked to the sado-austerity imposed on Greece by the EU."

Lord Lamont is also in favour of Britain leaving the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It has become fa too much political guys. Never meant it to go that far.

But justifying that it is thé EU fault there is so much far right voters currently by quoting a daily mail article analysis (paradox in itself) is beyond thé joke.

At least read more than one source (thé Sun is not an acceptable amternative!!!)

Anyway be cool we won't solve problems nor convince others here.

Secondly i did post another source in case you missed it was the Sunday Times. "

Same owner/corporations so same éditorial line.

Ok I don't Share those papers views but it doesnt make me right, I don't hold thé truth.

But some of thé Stuff you find in there is appaling and so shocking this is thé réal scaremongring like all immigrants are on benefits, etc...it makes all thé rest éven if there are some valid points not believable

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By *aystay66Man over a year ago

Manchester

"Why the fuck would 2 million people want to come to this God foresaken shit hole??

"
haha

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

" so prey tell centaur... what will this "uniquely british" model look like??? i am just wondering what you think the uk will get that the swiss/norwegians and everyone else within the EEA gets!!!

Can I offer a response?

Given Scotland was a nett beneficiary of being in the UK to the tune of some £12 Billion in 2014 (funded by the English as it happens) and its future was predicated on a barrel of oil worth $130 the rUK had no incentives to do any deals with the SNP. In fact many wished for them to leave given the racist hatred spewed out by Salmand and Sturgeon. The Scots people are now mightily relieved they didn't.

The UK within the EU is an entirely different relationship.

** Firstly what I voted for was not a political 'Union' and 'ever closer Union' it was a trading relationship amongst 8 similar countries. It is now 28 very different countries and we have to have an open door to many millions of people.

** We were never consulted over the changes in Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties that created the EU despite being promised.

** The UK was a nett contributor to the EU to the tune of some £9 Billion (nett) last year. In 2016 the estimate is over £10 Billion. And as our economy gets better and the EU gets worse we pay more. Like they asked for another £2 Billion last year. We are the second highest contributor TO the EU after Germany.

** As to trade the UK runs a deficit with the EU as a whole and especially against the larger economies like Germany. They need us more than we need them. And remember the EU buys and sells nothing. Its the individual countries. So if the EU wants to raise tariffs against the UK then they will be the losers. Mrs Merkel won't let that happen.

** Again on trade the EU, because of the Euro, is declining as a trading bloc and now accounts for less of British exports (45%) than does the rest of the World (55%). So why would the USA not do a deal with the UK on the same terms we have now? No one loses out do they?

** While we technically have a seat at the WTO we do not negotiate terms as members of the EU. We are effectively 1/28th of the EU seat. On Brexit we regain full negotiating powers and membership and more importantly protection. No country would be allowed to discriminate against another member and would have to justify any changes in current arrangements. So if the EU said we couldn't sell services in Germany the WTO would step in. They don't now because its an internal EU matter.

** In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion (nett after rebate) to the EU budget. EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion. But that ignores the simple fact it is the EU not us who decide how and where that £13 Billion is spent. I believe it is better to keep that £13 Billion here and spend it how WE choose on what WE value. Like our steel, fishing and agricultural industries that we cannot support now.

And finally I would mention what one of your own greatest Presidents said when facing an unknown future:

"We have nothing to fear other than fear itself"

Franklin D Roosevelt.

Chalk i have removed the link you posted (so mods do not remove my post because it has no links in it). Chalk please read the forum rules on the links which are allowed on this forum. I can't mail you because of filters but i believe you have fallen foul of this rule in the past and had your posts removed by mods or been given a forum ban?

The only links that are allowed on this forum are newspaper links or to news channels like the BBC or Sky news, Links to Wikipedia or links to Youtube.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

You really need to make your mind up. You called me a Conservative just a few posts ago.

My mind is made up about you, don't worry. How are you getting on with justifying the fascist and far right links of UKIP?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/28/mervyn-king-the-eurozone-is-doomed/

Lord Lamont is also in favour of Britain leaving the EU. "

Oh dear you're turning into the petulant teenager now. I've read the links. Have you read the article about ukips european association with the far right yet? I know you're aware of the ukip approach to this because I told you about it months ago and you said you'd go and investigate it. Then when you came back you said you didn't support what had happened.

So have you changed your mind? Is it OK for ukip to have far right links in Europe?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

"It has become fa too much political guys. Never meant it to go that far.

But justifying that it is thé EU fault there is so much far right voters currently by quoting a daily mail article analysis (paradox in itself) is beyond thé joke.

At least read more than one source (thé Sun is not an acceptable amternative!!!)

Anyway be cool we won't solve problems nor convince others here.

Secondly i did post another source in case you missed it was the Sunday Times.

Same owner/corporations so same éditorial line.

Ok I don't Share those papers views but it doesnt make me right, I don't hold thé truth.

Well David Cameron and his project Fear campaign compiled a list of British Generals and ex British generals the other week to say they favoured Remaining in the EU because it made Britain more safe and secure.

Only the thing is one of those generals Sir Michael Rose whose name was included in the list came out after and said he had never given his consent for his name to be put on the list, he had never been asked about it and he had no prior knowledge at all about any of it. So which campaign is the one that is being disingenuous and trying to tell lies to the British electorate by including names on lists without that persons consent or knowledge. It is the Remain in side that is unbelievable. Surely their credibility is shot by this.

Sir Michael Rose has since said he actually supports Britain leaving the EU and that the EU is eroding Britains Sovereignty. Now i know you don't like the daily mail so do you object to a link to the Guardian?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/24/no-10-apologises-special-forces-chief-eu-letter-gen-sir-michael-rose

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It has become fa too much political guys. Never meant it to go that far.

But justifying that it is thé EU fault there is so much far right voters currently by quoting a daily mail article analysis (paradox in itself) is beyond thé joke.

At least read more than one source (thé Sun is not an acceptable amternative!!!)

Anyway be cool we won't solve problems nor convince others here.

Secondly i did post another source in case you missed it was the Sunday Times.

Same owner/corporations so same éditorial line.

Ok I don't Share those papers views but it doesnt make me right, I don't hold thé truth.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/24/no-10-apologises-special-forces-chief-eu-letter-gen-sir-michael-rose"

Is that a bit like you claiming that the British chamber of Commerce came out in favour of Brexit when they didn't? You made a big song and dance about that but you still haven't come back with the truth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Since no-one from the moderate wing of UKIP seems to be willing to respond on their far right links, here's the Daily Mail link again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Since no-one from the moderate wing of UKIP seems to be willing to respond on their far right links, here's the Daily Mail link again:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

And for those who can't be bothered to read it, here's the headline:

Fascists, felons and fanatical fools: Ugly truth about Farage's friends in Brussels. No they're no longer a party of 'fruitcakes and nutters'...but just look who UKIP cosies up to in EU parliament

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By *its_n_piecesCouple over a year ago

if the far right get their way and uk leaves, what's to stop any future government from slowly but surely passing a series of laws designed to make things so uncomfortable for inwardly migrating folk that they have little option but repatriate themselves?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

Can people please check the forum rules as to what links are allowed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if the far right get their way and uk leaves, what's to stop any future government from slowly but surely passing a series of laws designed to make things so uncomfortable for inwardly migrating folk that they have little option but repatriate themselves?"

As it is there would have to be a registration system so that those having reserved rights can be administered fairly at the new immigration controls. They would of course have to come in with all the other foreigners to have their documents checked. That's more red tape and bureaucracy, but I'm told that's OK because it's British red tape and bureaucrats.

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By *hrobinhoodMan over a year ago

arnold, Nottingham

Damn Id love to be deported to somewhere warmer, shame I'm English lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe this deserves a thread of its own but..the question springs to my mind is:how far to the other end of the political spectrum can someone get and still be sexy to you? Theres quite a range here! I like to think of fab as a magical place where people exist as pure beings of kinky loveliness, outside of the horrors of politics..what you dont know wont hurt you, but once you know...

How right/left wing is too far to fancy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe this deserves a thread of its own but..the question springs to my mind is:how far to the other end of the political spectrum can someone get and still be sexy to you? Theres quite a range here! I like to think of fab as a magical place where people exist as pure beings of kinky loveliness, outside of the horrors of politics..what you dont know wont hurt you, but once you know...

How right/left wing is too far to fancy?"

The left wing wins outright, it's well known that they are all luvvies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not tired thanks, nice of you to show your caring side. It gives me an extra lease of life every time I see you lot spouting bullshit. At this rate I'll live forever

The personal view of the director general of the British chamber of commerce is very clear, "Britain will be better off outside of the EU".

In fact he is in several of the Sunday newspapers today reaffirming his views even more strongly than he did the other day at the British chamber of commerce conference.

It really doesn't matter how many papers he's in today, he's stating the personal views of someone who is not not the director general of the BCC. The true members of the BCC are pretty pissed off with him. He's just some other incompetent joe who didn't understand the limits of his job and has been suspended as a disciplinary measure.

Meanwhile 60% of BCC members are in favour of remaining in the EU. You can check Friday's FT for the story as it broke.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

You really need to make your mind up. You called me a Conservative just a few posts ago.

My mind is made up about you, don't worry. How are you getting on with justifying the fascist and far right links of UKIP?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/28/mervyn-king-the-eurozone-is-doomed/

Lord Lamont is also in favour of Britain leaving the EU.

So have you changed your mind? Is it OK for ukip to have far right links in Europe?"

So glad we all agree that UK is better off outside the EU and we all aim to vote OUT

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And we MUST close the door before Turkey forces her way into the EU on the back of the blackmail of doing everything it can to send hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants to the EU....

Turkey is a dictatorship run by a despot masquerading as a democracy and should never be allowed into the EU.

Safe for refugees fleeing barrel bombs? Maybe.

Safe for western tourists lying on the beach? About as safe as Tunisia.

Meanwhile, Turkey after ten years of negotiation has passed one of the sixteen criteria for entry and may well have gone backwards since it attacks its own free press.

Incidentally, how many countries are needed to veto the accession of a new country into the eu? The U.K. outside the EU would of course have no say at all.

So yes and no and stop and go are all scaremongering.

It seems that to you anything that doesn't quite fit with unfettered mass immigration is scaremongering.

German's are turning back years of hard won freedoms and are now segregating swimming pools and sauna's.

That kind of fear doesn't need much mongering. You can smell it in the air.

And what does any of that have to do with whether or not turkey can get into the eu? how does that affect the power of a country to veto accession?

It doesn't but I just took a leaf out of your book and concentrated on one issue (scaremongering) rather than the whole post.

I had a good teacher for that you know

Don't bring poor old Centaur UKIP into this, he's still trying to work out what the British Chamber of Commerce thinks.

So, back to the point, how many EU governments does it take to veto the accession of Turkey? I'll help you - the answer is one.

How many countries outside the EU have that right of veto? I'll help again - it won't be the UK if there is a Brexit. Bang goes another sovereign right, hey?

The USA doesn't have a veto either but they don't seem too bothered about it.

If that was the case, you'd better hope that someone vetoes them hadn't you? They'll all be sitting in your back garden apparently, and more of them because they won't be coming here.

How absolutely bonkers can you get? If it was encouraging the thoughts and ideals of the far right you'd be one of the EU's strongest supporters.

You are seriously the most deluded person i have ever had the misfortune to interact with on the forum here.

It is you who has gone completely nuts!

Also it has been plain to see to anyone who is regular on the forum you call anyone who dares to disagree with you xenophobic, if they don't share you misguided views about open door immigration.

Of course you aren't blinkered and you definitely tried reading this lovely piece of journalistic work from the Daily Mail.

So tell me mister centrist Conservative, who is helping the rise of the far right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/Politics/article1675664.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016-03-06

and in the Daily Mail...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3478947/The-EU-fuelling-Hitler-worshippers-bad-national-security-Michael-Gove-claims-new-escalation-Brexit-battle-html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

You really need to make your mind up. You called me a Conservative just a few posts ago.

My mind is made up about you, don't worry. How are you getting on with justifying the fascist and far right links of UKIP?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/28/mervyn-king-the-eurozone-is-doomed/

Lord Lamont is also in favour of Britain leaving the EU.

So have you changed your mind? Is it OK for ukip to have far right links in Europe?

So glad we all agree that UK is better off outside the EU and we all aim to vote OUT

That would be the same UK who's economy has blossomed inside the EU to have the 5th largest GDP in the world, wouldn't it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know few people really care, but I need to remind dear old Chalk of what he actually wrote and I've been trying to get a response from him on it all afternoon.

So his words were:

Now the UK has, and has had, for several years a points based Australian style immigration system to control who comes in from outside the EU. It's entirely a UK sovereign decision about how that system works.

So all I want to know, Chalk, is how we can blame "closing the door on Doctors, Surgeons and Lecturers from New Zealand, Australia and Canada etc on the EU?" If the system discriminates against doctors from Australia, Canada and New Zealand, who writes those rules?

I can provide a link to the UK government web site or the UK Borders Agency if you're having trouble with working it out.

I'm also sincerely interested in anyone's views about how UKIP associates with the far right and criminals as described by the Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html

On a day when Brexit campaigners are blaming the EU for this, it'll be interesting to see how UKIP justifies its position. Or is this a break in the Brexit common front? Are the tories putting space between themselves and the far right?

If anyone can explain that then perhaps they could also let us known how the UKIP leadership managed to ignore a referendum of its own party members to allow that association with the far right to happen?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your right about one thing!

Very few people care

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If any moderate UKIPper is having trouble with the link above, here it is again and the headline gives a nice sound bite too.

Here's the headline:

Fascists, felons and fanatical fools: Ugly truth about Farage's friends in Brussels. No they're no longer a party of 'fruitcakes and nutters'...but just look who UKIP cosies up to in EU parliament

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2816920/Fascists-felons-fanatical-fools-Ugly-truth-Farage-s-friends-Brussels.html"

Enjoy your evening, it's time for some ovaltine

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Your right about one thing!

Very few people care

You should warm 'em up with a few words on climate change ..... who's going to be accused of scaremongering in that?

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

What on earth are you talking about? The vote Leave side has plenty of support from the left wing of politics. Look at the "Labour leave" group who will be campaigning on many of the same issues Tony Benn campaigned about his whole life to get Britain out of the EU. You have figures like Kate Hoey and John Mills who are at the forefront of the grassroots out (Go) campaign.

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

How right/left wing is too far to fancy?"

Not sure if that comment was aimed at me but the number of verifications I have on my profile here speak for themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Your right about one thing!

Very few people care

You should warm 'em up with a few words on climate change ..... who's going to be accused of scaremongering in that?

"
.

Ahh well, at least we all go out together.

on both issues

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"The Brexit case is one built almost entirely on an anti-immigration narrative.

If they win that battle, there will be many who consider the war to not be over. I certainly wouldn't be sitting very comfortably right now if I was a recent immigrant."

Anti-immigration people know they can't win the overarching argument of race and so they chip away piece by piece.

If we leave the EU that won't be the end of the demands and action - it will only really be the start once the ball is rolling.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Brexit case is one built almost entirely on an anti-immigration narrative.

If they win that battle, there will be many who consider the war to not be over. I certainly wouldn't be sitting very comfortably right now if I was a recent immigrant.

Anti-immigration people know they can't win the overarching argument of race and so they chip away piece by piece.

If we leave the EU that won't be the end of the demands and action - it will only really be the start once the ball is rolling. "

So 'anti-immigration' people and people wanting to leave the EU are basically racists then?

Jeez, unbelievable

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By *entaur_UKMan over a year ago

Cannock

I'm not tired thanks, nice of you to show your caring side. It gives me an extra lease of life every time I see you lot spouting bullshit. At this rate I'll live forever

The personal view of the director general of the British chamber of commerce is very clear, "Britain will be better off outside of the EU".

In fact he is in several of the Sunday newspapers today reaffirming his views even more strongly than he did the other day at the British chamber of commerce conference.

Meanwhile 60% of BCC members are in favour of remaining in the EU. You can check Friday's FT for the story as it broke."

Well if you want to talk about incompetent joes, then you had better talk about Stuart Rose who is the leader of the Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE) campaign. In the opening week of your campaign to keep Britain in the EU Stuart Rose did an interview to national media where he could'nt even remember the official name of your campaign. In fact he failed 4 times to get the name correct. FOUR times he failed to get the name correct, just how incompetent do you have to be to lead the BSE campaign?

Here is the video of it for anyone who has not seen it, highly amusing footage...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12119442/Migration-should-not-be-allowed-to-dominate-EU-referendum-warns-Lord-Rose.html

Then just the other day while being grilled by the Treasury select committee Stuart Rose said that in the event of Brexit British workers wages would rise....

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12181385/Wages-for-British-workers-will-rise-in-the-event-of-a-Brexit-head-of-in-campaign--says.html

Are you sure that your leader Stuart Rose is not a vote Leave plant into the BSE campaign, he seems to be doing a pretty good job of campaigning for Brexit.